Vikipedija:Krčma

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== Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici ==

Na Glavnoj stranici tut:

Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу].

Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat?

Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

:@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii
::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | &quot;Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija&quot; | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]]
::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC)

== Prědustavjeno pismo ==

Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt;, and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt; na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: 
* Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like &quot;Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал.&quot; The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. 
* [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains.
* [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian.
* The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them.
* [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript.
* [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that.
* [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages.
* [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works.
* Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable.

I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages:
# It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]]
# However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. 
# Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet.
# A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page.

So here's my own preferred solution, if possible:
# It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names.
# Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order).
# I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible?
# It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have.

There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]&lt;/code&gt; while recognizing &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]&lt;/code&gt;. In other words, we ought to support &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt;, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by &quot;fallback option&quot;, but if it means that &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; is interpreted as &quot;&lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; unless specified otherwise&quot;, I'd be perfectly fine with that.&lt;br /&gt;Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.&lt;br /&gt;For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that &lt;code&gt;'ų' =&gt; 'у'&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;'у' =&gt; 'u'&lt;/code&gt;, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
:I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. &lt;span style=&quot;text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block&quot;&gt;--[[User:MwGamera|Mw&lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:petite-caps&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;amera]]&lt;/span&gt; ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST)

== Транслитерација со Јапонского ==

Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на &quot;Kacušika Hokusaj&quot; або на &quot;Kacušika Hokusai&quot;? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

:Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na &quot;''si''&quot;, &quot;''dzju''&quot;, &quot;''dzjo''&quot; vměsto &quot;''ši''&quot;, &quot;''džu''&quot;, &quot;''džo''&quot; (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky):

{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv
|-
| サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са
|-
| シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши
|-
| シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша
|-
| タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та
|-
| チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи
|-
| ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу
|-
| チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча
|-
| ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња
|-
| ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва
|-
| ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за
|-
| ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи
|-
| ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа
|-
| ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да
|-
| ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи
|-
| ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу
|-
| ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа
|-
! colspan=&quot;7&quot; | razširjena katakana
|-
| ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су
|-
| スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си
|-
| テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те
|-
| ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти
|}

{{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

: Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

== Remaining issues ==

Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please!

=== Transliteration ===
First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write &quot;Džorž Buš&quot; instead of &quot;George Bush&quot; in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like &quot;Георге Бусх&quot;.

At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions:

'''bidirectional:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
| a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü
|-
| а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ
|}

'''unidirectional Lat &amp;rarr; Cyr:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! from
| á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż
|-
! to 
| а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж
|}

'''unidirectional Cyr &amp;rarr; Lat:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! from
| ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я 
|-
! to
| g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja
|}


{{FNBox|Note:
{{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &amp;rarr; Lj and Њ &amp;rarr; Nj will do.}}
}}

=== Alphabetical order ===
Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't):

'''Latin:'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;big&gt;'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż&lt;/big&gt;

'''Cyrillic:'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;big&gt;'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я&lt;/big&gt;

=== Dates ===
* The standard format for dates is: &lt;code&gt;dd.mm.yyyy&lt;/code&gt;
* In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc.

=== Numbers ===
When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs:
* 1: nominative singular (1 dom)
* 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy)
* 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov)
* all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom)
* all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy)
* all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov)

=== Namespaces ===
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Namespace || colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Talk
|-
! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic
|-
| (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda
|-
| User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika
|-
| Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije
|-
| File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla
|-
| MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki
|-
| Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona
|-
| Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči
|-
| Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije
|-
| Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala
|-
| Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula
|-
| Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta
|}

I hope I haven't forgotten anything!

=== The code ISV ===
* In interwiki links, the language should appear as: &lt;code&gt;Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы&lt;/code&gt;
* The English name of the language is &quot;Interslavic&quot;.
* There still appear to be issues with the language code &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;. In Babel boxes, for example, &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt; work, but &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; does not.
* I guess using &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; shoud have a fallback sequence to &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt;, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested.

=== Transliteration once more ===
''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though.

That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

:Finally! That is some great news. 
:All the points touched here make sense to me. 
:I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or  Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hi Jan,
:Many thanks for this communication.
:My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.&lt;br /&gt;Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text
:&lt;pre&gt;{{-|text not to be transliterated}}&lt;/pre&gt;
:all it does only adding HTML tag
:&lt;pre&gt;&amp;lt;span class=&quot;ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;&amp;gt;text not to be transliterated&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used &quot;manually&quot; when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now.
:I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example
:&lt;pre&gt;{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}&lt;/pre&gt;
:where:&lt;br/&gt; 
:''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)&lt;br/&gt;
:''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)&lt;br/&gt;
:''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin&lt;br/&gt;
:''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used).
:This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting.
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ |Examples
|-
! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1&lt;/nowiki&gt; || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) 
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua&lt;/nowiki&gt; || cyr || Жан-Франсуа
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1&lt;/nowiki&gt; || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua)
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|lat
|Jean-François
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|cyr
|Жан-Франсуа
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|lat
|Györ (Ďjor)
|}
:Would this proposal be of interest?
:It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current &lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|...}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt; template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice:

&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;

If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary.

One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter:

&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;

Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like &quot;{{-|Microsoft}}&quot;. Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

=== Script ===
{{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}}

:So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script.
:My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text.
:&lt;pre&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv-Latn&quot;&gt;Jean-François&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:&lt;pre&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv-Cyrl&quot;&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:&lt;pre&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv&quot;&gt;Žan-Fransua&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.&lt;br/&gt;
:Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9).

:&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;javascript&quot; line=&quot;1&quot; start=&quot;9&quot;&gt;
/** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI
/** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
:@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: 
:::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js
:::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works.
:::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: 
::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&amp;markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000
::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet).
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ Kako koristati
|-
! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}}
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|macOS Sierra}}&lt;/pre&gt;|| &lt;pre&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/pre&gt;
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Jean-François&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/pre&gt;
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Джо Байден&lt;/pre&gt;
|}
:::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi All,
::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
::::&lt;s&gt;Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.&lt;/s&gt; &lt;s&gt;Next point to address.&lt;/s&gt; Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

=== Approval ===
{{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}}

Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-98653-7|&amp;#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10102-52|&amp;#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? 
:::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10115-37|&amp;#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur.
::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10259-25|&amp;#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous &quot;editor&quot;, buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told.
::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic.
::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it.
::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label &quot;constructed language&quot;, but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10286-28|&amp;#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|&amp;#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|&amp;#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
::Good news. A thread &quot;Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia&quot; has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-17126-63|&amp;#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread &quot;Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia,&quot; but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18779-70|&amp;#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18633-18|&amp;#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18861-96|&amp;#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18833-94|&amp;#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-31741-38|&amp;#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

== Wiktionary ==
''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)''

When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. 
::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult.
::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary  that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary.
::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so:
::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution).
::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/)
::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. 
:::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::The slovnik fork is available here 
:::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/
:::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. 
:::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. 
:::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). 
:I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community.
:Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]]
:::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. 
:::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission?
:::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]]
:::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. 
:::So far my plan is the followinɡː 
:::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|&amp;#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое)
:::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|&amp;#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

== Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati  ==

slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati &quot;sravnivati&quot;, ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu

&quot;sravnjati&quot; za mene imaje smysl &quot;uravnjati&quot;, &quot;sdělati jednakovym&quot;, na angl. ''to level''

čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Nu znaješ, &quot;sravnjati&quot; prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola &quot;sravniti&quot;. V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati &gt; -yvati'', a ''-iti &gt; -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati &gt; -avati'' iili ''-iti &gt; -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu  regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) 
::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku &quot;to be comparing&quot; inym slovom.
::Russky	срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять
::Bělorussky	параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць
::Ukrajinsky	порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати
::Poljsky	porów'''ny'''wać
::Češsky	srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat
::Slovačsky	porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať
::Hrvatsky	srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati
::Srbsky	срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати
::Makedonsky	сравнува, споредува
::Bulgarsky	срав'''ня'''вам
::&quot;Sravnjati s zemjeju&quot; — &quot;Compare with Earth?&quot; or &quot;Level it to the ground&quot;?  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Moje prědloženje&quot;:
:::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov.
:::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining)
:::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

== Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju ==

&lt;nowiki&gt;https://medzuslovjansky.onl/&lt;/nowiki&gt;

jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju

može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka

stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov

prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji


[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. 
:::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku &quot;Najdolžejše članky&quot;? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah.
:::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre.
:::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. 
:::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo)
:::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov &gt;10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici:
::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). 
::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis
::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki)
::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki
::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky
::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah
::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. 
::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

== Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju ==

Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. 

Može byti, my takože budemo dodati?

https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

:Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

== Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano ==

Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.&lt;br/&gt;Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: &lt;br/&gt;Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).&lt;br/&gt;

{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ Kako koristati
|-
! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}}
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|macOS Sierra}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;|| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Джо Байден&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;V Providence’u&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;В Провиденсу&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|}
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;s&gt;Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.&lt;/s&gt; Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Tut byl variant
::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod:
::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &amp;rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &amp;rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
:Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

== Originalne &lt;s&gt;imena ljudij&lt;/s&gt; i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov ==

&lt;s&gt;Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?&lt;/s&gt;

&lt;s&gt;Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..&lt;/s&gt;

P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati.

Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije.

Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte.

S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

:Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

== Approval! ==

Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-35104-48|&amp;#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

:approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-36378-17|&amp;#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
: Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Administratorstvo ==

Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti!

Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (&lt;nowiki&gt;~~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt;). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

# {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) 
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

=== Drugi admini ===
{{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
:Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
:::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo &quot;odgovoriti&quot;, to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)

@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo.  – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

=== Drugi admini - glasovanje ===
Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

==== Vipz ====
@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
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==== Marcoorio ====
@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
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==== LiMr ====
@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)

#{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
#:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST)


@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)&lt;br /&gt;A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Super. @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], s uspěhom! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:34, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici ==

Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje &quot;Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju&quot; ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku &quot;Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija&quot; jest privedena taka informacija: &quot;Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju&quot;, ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST).

Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami &quot;Članok napisany kiriliceju&quot; / &quot;Članok napisany latiniceju&quot;, tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Razděljenje Krčmy ==

Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili 
Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

: Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti &quot;{{-|village pump}}&quot;, selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu &quot;Portal občiny&quot;, čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno.
::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva.
::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Vikidane ==
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Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{INTERWIKI}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
:The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Trěba udaliti tuty redok &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;templatestyles src=&quot;MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css&quot; /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti &quot;administrator interfejsa&quot;, da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo &quot;Medžuslovjansky&quot;? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako &quot;Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы&quot;. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-39765-34|&amp;#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. 
:1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore &quot;male&quot; članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad &quot;Otava Jo&quot;, kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse &quot;velike&quot; vikidane, kako, napriklad, &quot;Solnce&quot; ili &quot;Napoleon Bonapart&quot; stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 &quot;obvěznyh&quot; člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa?
:2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: &lt;blockquote&gt;Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.&lt;/blockquote&gt; To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti?
:Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::K nomeru 1: Něktore prědmety vo Vikidanyh sut tako zvano polzamknute, čto znači, že prověrjeni koristniki mogut praviti tuty prědmety. Kak ne jeste prověrjeny koristnik, vy ne možete praviti polzamknute prědmety.
::K nomeru 2: Ja ne imaju kakekoli informacije o aktivitetah tutogo koristnika, nu kak to ne jest ješče aktivno, ono to bude pravdopodobno aktivno uže rano. Kak vy hočete, možete mu napisati na jego koristničsku besědu, pravdopodobno na anglijskom, kak tuten koristnik pravdopodobno ne bude uměti medžuslovjansky jezyk, začto on piše na anglijskom. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:57, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Tuty koristnik jest Meta-admin vsego inkubatora vseh viki, docěla mogutna figura 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:44, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Nu, on pravdopodobno imaje mnogo obvezkov, ktoryh on musi rabiti. Dajmo mu dostatok časa. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] imaje pravdu. Vikidane uže sut vključene za medžuslovjansky, ale někoje prědmety o popularnyh ili kontroversijnyh temah mogut byti zaščičene. Ja prěd hviljeju jesm sdělal link na [[Solnce]] i to šlo bez problemov. A čto se tyče gosp. Søby, on napisal, že vključi někaky avtomatičny skript za avtomatično prěneseneje danyh iz šablona INTERWIKI na Vikidane, ale on togo ješče ne sdělal. Ale ja imaju izkušenje, že on dolgo ne odgovarjaje na pytanja i kontakt s njim je trudny. Uviděl jesm, že od konca junija jegova aktivnost byla rědka. Takto teoretično my možemo vse dělati ručno (togda trěba najprvo prějdti na stranicu na někojem drugom jezyku, i odtuda prějdti do Vikidanyh), ale ja myslju, že to jest bezsmyslno raztračenje časa, ibo raněje ili pozdněje to imaje byti sdělano tym skriptom. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:54, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Hvala Jane, Solnce je priključeno. Myslim, instrukcija avtoram bude:
::::# Na avtomatično priključenje staryh člankov budemo čekati, ono někogda bude, ne trěba priključati jih ručno
::::# Prodolžajemo koristati šablon INTERWIKI
::::# Nove članky jest možno prisjedinjati ručno. Ako li prědmet jest hranjeny, trěba prositi to sdělati naših adminov
::::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 11:04, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Točno tako! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:23, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Translations ==

Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Maybe the &quot;Special&quot; namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Kako jest slovo &quot;pěskovišče&quot; kategorizovano? ==

Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo &quot;pěskovišče&quot; roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo &quot;šablon&quot; jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Tako jest slovo &quot;město&quot; roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Patrulovanje ==

Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. &lt;s&gt;Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo.  Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. &lt;/s&gt;[[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

:::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako &quot;možny vandalizm&quot;, &quot;izpraždnjenje stranice&quot; i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija.  [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::::my imajemo šablon &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} &lt;/nowiki&gt;, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Prěključ &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; ==

Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;, Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili &quot;Latinica/Кирилица&quot; kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
::ja imaju nadpis v menju &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;, i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;. No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element &lt;code&gt;p-variants-label&lt;/code&gt; v Vector (2022).  &lt;span style=&quot;text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block&quot;&gt;--[[User:MwGamera|Mw&lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:petite-caps&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;amera]]&lt;/span&gt; ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-39602-39|&amp;#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by &quot;prilěpiti&quot; kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Pěskovišče dlja modulov ==

Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Pozdrav, @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]], kako mene poučil viki-programist, ktory pomagal s translit-skriptom, do svojego ličnogo prostora možno sdělati vsečto, ne jedino LUA-module, ale i Javascript-gadget, to bude rabotati jedino za tebe. Myslim, to dělae se tako: https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul ili https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/My_Gadget.js [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:01, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Link pri testah ale musi byti polny, kako ''{{#invoke:Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul|parametr1|...'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:11, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nu, ja to možu obtestovati. Ja jesm už započel [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly|něčto stvarjati]], nu ja možu tutu sistemu nadrabiti. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:30, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nu, ja jesm to obtestoval, i ja vidimo, že ono to možlivo ne funkcionuje. Tuto jest hyba, ktoru mi zvanje modula piše:
:::&lt;code&gt;Script error: No such module &quot;[[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 1]]&quot;.&lt;/code&gt;
:::Kak se možete pozrěti, stranica ne izobražaje izvorny kod modula kako izvorny kod v programističnogom jezyku Lua, ili kako prostu stranicu. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 14:21, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Divno provodženje šablona ==

Pozdrav. Ja jesm hočel izrabotati šablon dlja tabličky, nu ja ne věm, či ja jesm glupy ili MediaViki jest. Moj šablon se provodi kako jest viděno tu: [https://isv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koristnik:Polda18/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De/%C5%A0ablony/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De_1&amp;oldid=28989] Ja jesm upotrěbil někaku akcentuaciju viki koda, kako samo ja byh mogl izjaviti někaku hybu. Nu, ja jesm nikaku ne viděl. Može někto, prosimo, izjasniti, čto se to děje? Kako by iměl tuten šablon izgledati, jest viděno [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Zaglavje|tu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 13:28, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Ja ješče dodam: šablon se provodi inako v podgledu i inako kako zapisana stranica. Ono to ne jest jedino tu na medžuslovjanskoj Vikipediji, ja jesm testoval jednako provodženje tako na češskoj Vikipediji (ače bez zapisanja). Ono to izpadaje na hybu vo MediaViki softveru ili hybu vo viki kodu šablona. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 13:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)</text>
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&lt;!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---&gt;


== Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici ==

Na Glavnoj stranici tut:

Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу].

Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat?

Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

:@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii
::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | &quot;Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija&quot; | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]]
::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC)

== Prědustavjeno pismo ==

Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt;, and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt; na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: 
* Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like &quot;Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал.&quot; The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. 
* [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains.
* [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian.
* The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them.
* [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript.
* [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that.
* [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages.
* [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works.
* Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable.

I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages:
# It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]]
# However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. 
# Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet.
# A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page.

So here's my own preferred solution, if possible:
# It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names.
# Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order).
# I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible?
# It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have.

There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]&lt;/code&gt; while recognizing &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]&lt;/code&gt;. In other words, we ought to support &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt;, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by &quot;fallback option&quot;, but if it means that &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; is interpreted as &quot;&lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; unless specified otherwise&quot;, I'd be perfectly fine with that.&lt;br /&gt;Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.&lt;br /&gt;For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that &lt;code&gt;'ų' =&gt; 'у'&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;'у' =&gt; 'u'&lt;/code&gt;, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
:I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. &lt;span style=&quot;text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block&quot;&gt;--[[User:MwGamera|Mw&lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:petite-caps&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;amera]]&lt;/span&gt; ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST)

== Транслитерација со Јапонского ==

Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на &quot;Kacušika Hokusaj&quot; або на &quot;Kacušika Hokusai&quot;? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

:Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na &quot;''si''&quot;, &quot;''dzju''&quot;, &quot;''dzjo''&quot; vměsto &quot;''ši''&quot;, &quot;''džu''&quot;, &quot;''džo''&quot; (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky):

{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv
|-
| サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са
|-
| シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши
|-
| シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша
|-
| タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та
|-
| チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи
|-
| ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу
|-
| チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча
|-
| ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња
|-
| ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва
|-
| ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за
|-
| ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи
|-
| ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа
|-
| ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да
|-
| ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи
|-
| ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу
|-
| ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа
|-
! colspan=&quot;7&quot; | razširjena katakana
|-
| ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су
|-
| スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си
|-
| テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те
|-
| ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти
|}

{{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

: Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

== Remaining issues ==

Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please!

=== Transliteration ===
First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write &quot;Džorž Buš&quot; instead of &quot;George Bush&quot; in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like &quot;Георге Бусх&quot;.

At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions:

'''bidirectional:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
| a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü
|-
| а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ
|}

'''unidirectional Lat &amp;rarr; Cyr:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! from
| á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż
|-
! to 
| а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж
|}

'''unidirectional Cyr &amp;rarr; Lat:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! from
| ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я 
|-
! to
| g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja
|}


{{FNBox|Note:
{{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &amp;rarr; Lj and Њ &amp;rarr; Nj will do.}}
}}

=== Alphabetical order ===
Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't):

'''Latin:'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;big&gt;'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż&lt;/big&gt;

'''Cyrillic:'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;big&gt;'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я&lt;/big&gt;

=== Dates ===
* The standard format for dates is: &lt;code&gt;dd.mm.yyyy&lt;/code&gt;
* In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc.

=== Numbers ===
When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs:
* 1: nominative singular (1 dom)
* 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy)
* 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov)
* all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom)
* all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy)
* all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov)

=== Namespaces ===
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Namespace || colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Talk
|-
! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic
|-
| (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda
|-
| User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika
|-
| Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije
|-
| File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla
|-
| MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki
|-
| Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona
|-
| Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči
|-
| Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije
|-
| Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala
|-
| Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula
|-
| Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta
|}

I hope I haven't forgotten anything!

=== The code ISV ===
* In interwiki links, the language should appear as: &lt;code&gt;Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы&lt;/code&gt;
* The English name of the language is &quot;Interslavic&quot;.
* There still appear to be issues with the language code &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;. In Babel boxes, for example, &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt; work, but &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; does not.
* I guess using &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; shoud have a fallback sequence to &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt;, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested.

=== Transliteration once more ===
''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though.

That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

:Finally! That is some great news. 
:All the points touched here make sense to me. 
:I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or  Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hi Jan,
:Many thanks for this communication.
:My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.&lt;br /&gt;Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text
:&lt;pre&gt;{{-|text not to be transliterated}}&lt;/pre&gt;
:all it does only adding HTML tag
:&lt;pre&gt;&amp;lt;span class=&quot;ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;&amp;gt;text not to be transliterated&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used &quot;manually&quot; when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now.
:I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example
:&lt;pre&gt;{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}&lt;/pre&gt;
:where:&lt;br/&gt; 
:''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)&lt;br/&gt;
:''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)&lt;br/&gt;
:''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin&lt;br/&gt;
:''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used).
:This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting.
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ |Examples
|-
! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1&lt;/nowiki&gt; || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) 
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua&lt;/nowiki&gt; || cyr || Жан-Франсуа
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1&lt;/nowiki&gt; || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua)
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|lat
|Jean-François
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|cyr
|Жан-Франсуа
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|lat
|Györ (Ďjor)
|}
:Would this proposal be of interest?
:It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current &lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|...}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt; template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice:

&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;

If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary.

One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter:

&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;

Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like &quot;{{-|Microsoft}}&quot;. Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

=== Script ===
{{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}}

:So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script.
:My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text.
:&lt;pre&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv-Latn&quot;&gt;Jean-François&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:&lt;pre&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv-Cyrl&quot;&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:&lt;pre&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv&quot;&gt;Žan-Fransua&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.&lt;br/&gt;
:Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9).

:&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;javascript&quot; line=&quot;1&quot; start=&quot;9&quot;&gt;
/** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI
/** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
:@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: 
:::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js
:::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works.
:::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: 
::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&amp;markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000
::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet).
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ Kako koristati
|-
! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}}
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|macOS Sierra}}&lt;/pre&gt;|| &lt;pre&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/pre&gt;
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Jean-François&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/pre&gt;
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Джо Байден&lt;/pre&gt;
|}
:::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi All,
::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
::::&lt;s&gt;Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.&lt;/s&gt; &lt;s&gt;Next point to address.&lt;/s&gt; Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

=== Approval ===
{{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}}

Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-98653-7|&amp;#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10102-52|&amp;#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? 
:::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10115-37|&amp;#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur.
::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10259-25|&amp;#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous &quot;editor&quot;, buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told.
::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic.
::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it.
::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label &quot;constructed language&quot;, but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10286-28|&amp;#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|&amp;#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|&amp;#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
::Good news. A thread &quot;Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia&quot; has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-17126-63|&amp;#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread &quot;Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia,&quot; but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18779-70|&amp;#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18633-18|&amp;#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18861-96|&amp;#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18833-94|&amp;#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-31741-38|&amp;#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

== Wiktionary ==
''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)''

When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. 
::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult.
::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary  that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary.
::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so:
::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution).
::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/)
::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. 
:::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::The slovnik fork is available here 
:::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/
:::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. 
:::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. 
:::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). 
:I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community.
:Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]]
:::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. 
:::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission?
:::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]]
:::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. 
:::So far my plan is the followinɡː 
:::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|&amp;#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое)
:::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|&amp;#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

== Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati  ==

slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati &quot;sravnivati&quot;, ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu

&quot;sravnjati&quot; za mene imaje smysl &quot;uravnjati&quot;, &quot;sdělati jednakovym&quot;, na angl. ''to level''

čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Nu znaješ, &quot;sravnjati&quot; prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola &quot;sravniti&quot;. V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati &gt; -yvati'', a ''-iti &gt; -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati &gt; -avati'' iili ''-iti &gt; -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu  regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) 
::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku &quot;to be comparing&quot; inym slovom.
::Russky	срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять
::Bělorussky	параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць
::Ukrajinsky	порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати
::Poljsky	porów'''ny'''wać
::Češsky	srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat
::Slovačsky	porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať
::Hrvatsky	srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati
::Srbsky	срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати
::Makedonsky	сравнува, споредува
::Bulgarsky	срав'''ня'''вам
::&quot;Sravnjati s zemjeju&quot; — &quot;Compare with Earth?&quot; or &quot;Level it to the ground&quot;?  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Moje prědloženje&quot;:
:::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov.
:::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining)
:::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

== Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju ==

&lt;nowiki&gt;https://medzuslovjansky.onl/&lt;/nowiki&gt;

jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju

može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka

stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov

prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji


[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. 
:::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku &quot;Najdolžejše članky&quot;? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah.
:::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre.
:::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. 
:::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo)
:::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov &gt;10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici:
::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). 
::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis
::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki)
::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki
::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky
::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah
::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. 
::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

== Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju ==

Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. 

Može byti, my takože budemo dodati?

https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

:Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

== Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano ==

Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.&lt;br/&gt;Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: &lt;br/&gt;Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).&lt;br/&gt;

{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ Kako koristati
|-
! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}}
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|macOS Sierra}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;|| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Джо Байден&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;V Providence’u&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;В Провиденсу&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|}
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;s&gt;Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.&lt;/s&gt; Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Tut byl variant
::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod:
::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &amp;rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &amp;rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
:Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

== Originalne &lt;s&gt;imena ljudij&lt;/s&gt; i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov ==

&lt;s&gt;Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?&lt;/s&gt;

&lt;s&gt;Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..&lt;/s&gt;

P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati.

Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije.

Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte.

S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

:Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

== Approval! ==

Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-35104-48|&amp;#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

:approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-36378-17|&amp;#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
: Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Administratorstvo ==

Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti!

Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (&lt;nowiki&gt;~~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt;). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

# {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) 
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

=== Drugi admini ===
{{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
:Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
:::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo &quot;odgovoriti&quot;, to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)

@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo.  – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

=== Drugi admini - glasovanje ===
Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

==== Vipz ====
@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# ...

==== Marcoorio ====
@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
# ...

==== LiMr ====
@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)

#{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
#:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST)


@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)&lt;br /&gt;A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Super. @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], s uspěhom! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:34, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici ==

Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje &quot;Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju&quot; ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku &quot;Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija&quot; jest privedena taka informacija: &quot;Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju&quot;, ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST).

Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami &quot;Članok napisany kiriliceju&quot; / &quot;Članok napisany latiniceju&quot;, tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Razděljenje Krčmy ==

Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili 
Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

: Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti &quot;{{-|village pump}}&quot;, selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu &quot;Portal občiny&quot;, čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno.
::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva.
::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Vikidane ==
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Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{INTERWIKI}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
:The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Trěba udaliti tuty redok &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;templatestyles src=&quot;MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css&quot; /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti &quot;administrator interfejsa&quot;, da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo &quot;Medžuslovjansky&quot;? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako &quot;Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы&quot;. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-39765-34|&amp;#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. 
:1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore &quot;male&quot; članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad &quot;Otava Jo&quot;, kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse &quot;velike&quot; vikidane, kako, napriklad, &quot;Solnce&quot; ili &quot;Napoleon Bonapart&quot; stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 &quot;obvěznyh&quot; člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa?
:2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: &lt;blockquote&gt;Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.&lt;/blockquote&gt; To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti?
:Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::K nomeru 1: Něktore prědmety vo Vikidanyh sut tako zvano polzamknute, čto znači, že prověrjeni koristniki mogut praviti tuty prědmety. Kak ne jeste prověrjeny koristnik, vy ne možete praviti polzamknute prědmety.
::K nomeru 2: Ja ne imaju kakekoli informacije o aktivitetah tutogo koristnika, nu kak to ne jest ješče aktivno, ono to bude pravdopodobno aktivno uže rano. Kak vy hočete, možete mu napisati na jego koristničsku besědu, pravdopodobno na anglijskom, kak tuten koristnik pravdopodobno ne bude uměti medžuslovjansky jezyk, začto on piše na anglijskom. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:57, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Tuty koristnik jest Meta-admin vsego inkubatora vseh viki, docěla mogutna figura 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:44, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Nu, on pravdopodobno imaje mnogo obvezkov, ktoryh on musi rabiti. Dajmo mu dostatok časa. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] imaje pravdu. Vikidane uže sut vključene za medžuslovjansky, ale někoje prědmety o popularnyh ili kontroversijnyh temah mogut byti zaščičene. Ja prěd hviljeju jesm sdělal link na [[Solnce]] i to šlo bez problemov. A čto se tyče gosp. Søby, on napisal, že vključi někaky avtomatičny skript za avtomatično prěneseneje danyh iz šablona INTERWIKI na Vikidane, ale on togo ješče ne sdělal. Ale ja imaju izkušenje, že on dolgo ne odgovarjaje na pytanja i kontakt s njim je trudny. Uviděl jesm, že od konca junija jegova aktivnost byla rědka. Takto teoretično my možemo vse dělati ručno (togda trěba najprvo prějdti na stranicu na někojem drugom jezyku, i odtuda prějdti do Vikidanyh), ale ja myslju, že to jest bezsmyslno raztračenje časa, ibo raněje ili pozdněje to imaje byti sdělano tym skriptom. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:54, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Hvala Jane, Solnce je priključeno. Myslim, instrukcija avtoram bude:
::::# Na avtomatično priključenje staryh člankov budemo čekati, ono někogda bude, ne trěba priključati jih ručno
::::# Prodolžajemo koristati šablon INTERWIKI
::::# Nove članky jest možno prisjedinjati ručno. Ako li prědmet jest hranjeny, trěba prositi to sdělati naših adminov
::::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 11:04, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Točno tako! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:23, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Translations ==

Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Maybe the &quot;Special&quot; namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Kako jest slovo &quot;pěskovišče&quot; kategorizovano? ==

Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo &quot;pěskovišče&quot; roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo &quot;šablon&quot; jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Tako jest slovo &quot;město&quot; roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Patrulovanje ==

Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. &lt;s&gt;Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo.  Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. &lt;/s&gt;[[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

:::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako &quot;možny vandalizm&quot;, &quot;izpraždnjenje stranice&quot; i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija.  [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::::my imajemo šablon &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} &lt;/nowiki&gt;, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Prěključ &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; ==

Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;, Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili &quot;Latinica/Кирилица&quot; kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
::ja imaju nadpis v menju &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;, i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;. No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element &lt;code&gt;p-variants-label&lt;/code&gt; v Vector (2022).  &lt;span style=&quot;text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block&quot;&gt;--[[User:MwGamera|Mw&lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:petite-caps&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;amera]]&lt;/span&gt; ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-39602-39|&amp;#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by &quot;prilěpiti&quot; kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Pěskovišče dlja modulov ==

Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Pozdrav, @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]], kako mene poučil viki-programist, ktory pomagal s translit-skriptom, do svojego ličnogo prostora možno sdělati vsečto, ne jedino LUA-module, ale i Javascript-gadget, to bude rabotati jedino za tebe. Myslim, to dělae se tako: https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul ili https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/My_Gadget.js [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:01, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Link pri testah ale musi byti polny, kako ''{{#invoke:Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul|parametr1|...'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:11, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nu, ja to možu obtestovati. Ja jesm už započel [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly|něčto stvarjati]], nu ja možu tutu sistemu nadrabiti. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:30, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nu, ja jesm to obtestoval, i ja vidimo, že ono to možlivo ne funkcionuje. Tuto jest hyba, ktoru mi zvanje modula piše:
:::&lt;code&gt;Script error: No such module &quot;[[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 1]]&quot;.&lt;/code&gt;
:::Kak se možete pozrěti, stranica ne izobražaje izvorny kod modula kako izvorny kod v programističnogom jezyku Lua, ili kako prostu stranicu. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 14:21, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Izvini, moja grěška, musi byti:
::::https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče_1, i takože pri koristanju
::::{{#invoke:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče_1|параметр1|... (nadějem se, slovo Modul tut ne jest trěbno) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:28, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Divno provodženje šablona ==

Pozdrav. Ja jesm hočel izrabotati šablon dlja tabličky, nu ja ne věm, či ja jesm glupy ili MediaViki jest. Moj šablon se provodi kako jest viděno tu: [https://isv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koristnik:Polda18/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De/%C5%A0ablony/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De_1&amp;oldid=28989] Ja jesm upotrěbil někaku akcentuaciju viki koda, kako samo ja byh mogl izjaviti někaku hybu. Nu, ja jesm nikaku ne viděl. Može někto, prosimo, izjasniti, čto se to děje? Kako by iměl tuten šablon izgledati, jest viděno [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Zaglavje|tu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 13:28, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Ja ješče dodam: šablon se provodi inako v podgledu i inako kako zapisana stranica. Ono to ne jest jedino tu na medžuslovjanskoj Vikipediji, ja jesm testoval jednako provodženje tako na češskoj Vikipediji (ače bez zapisanja). Ono to izpadaje na hybu vo MediaViki softveru ili hybu vo viki kodu šablona. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 13:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)</text>
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&lt;!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---&gt;


== Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici ==

Na Glavnoj stranici tut:

Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу].

Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat?

Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

:@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii
::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | &quot;Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija&quot; | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]]
::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC)

== Prědustavjeno pismo ==

Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt;, and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt; na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: 
* Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like &quot;Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал.&quot; The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. 
* [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains.
* [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian.
* The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them.
* [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript.
* [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that.
* [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages.
* [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works.
* Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable.

I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages:
# It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]]
# However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. 
# Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet.
# A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page.

So here's my own preferred solution, if possible:
# It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names.
# Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order).
# I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible?
# It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have.

There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]&lt;/code&gt; while recognizing &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]&lt;/code&gt;. In other words, we ought to support &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt;, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by &quot;fallback option&quot;, but if it means that &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; is interpreted as &quot;&lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; unless specified otherwise&quot;, I'd be perfectly fine with that.&lt;br /&gt;Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.&lt;br /&gt;For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that &lt;code&gt;'ų' =&gt; 'у'&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;'у' =&gt; 'u'&lt;/code&gt;, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
:I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. &lt;span style=&quot;text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block&quot;&gt;--[[User:MwGamera|Mw&lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:petite-caps&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;amera]]&lt;/span&gt; ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST)

== Транслитерација со Јапонского ==

Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на &quot;Kacušika Hokusaj&quot; або на &quot;Kacušika Hokusai&quot;? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

:Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na &quot;''si''&quot;, &quot;''dzju''&quot;, &quot;''dzjo''&quot; vměsto &quot;''ši''&quot;, &quot;''džu''&quot;, &quot;''džo''&quot; (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky):

{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv
|-
| サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са
|-
| シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши
|-
| シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша
|-
| タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та
|-
| チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи
|-
| ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу
|-
| チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча
|-
| ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња
|-
| ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва
|-
| ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за
|-
| ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи
|-
| ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа
|-
| ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да
|-
| ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи
|-
| ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу
|-
| ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа
|-
! colspan=&quot;7&quot; | razširjena katakana
|-
| ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су
|-
| スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си
|-
| テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те
|-
| ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти
|}

{{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

: Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

== Remaining issues ==

Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please!

=== Transliteration ===
First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write &quot;Džorž Buš&quot; instead of &quot;George Bush&quot; in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like &quot;Георге Бусх&quot;.

At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions:

'''bidirectional:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
| a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü
|-
| а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ
|}

'''unidirectional Lat &amp;rarr; Cyr:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! from
| á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż
|-
! to 
| а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж
|}

'''unidirectional Cyr &amp;rarr; Lat:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! from
| ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я 
|-
! to
| g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja
|}


{{FNBox|Note:
{{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &amp;rarr; Lj and Њ &amp;rarr; Nj will do.}}
}}

=== Alphabetical order ===
Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't):

'''Latin:'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;big&gt;'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż&lt;/big&gt;

'''Cyrillic:'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;big&gt;'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я&lt;/big&gt;

=== Dates ===
* The standard format for dates is: &lt;code&gt;dd.mm.yyyy&lt;/code&gt;
* In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc.

=== Numbers ===
When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs:
* 1: nominative singular (1 dom)
* 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy)
* 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov)
* all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom)
* all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy)
* all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov)

=== Namespaces ===
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Namespace || colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Talk
|-
! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic
|-
| (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda
|-
| User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika
|-
| Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije
|-
| File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla
|-
| MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki
|-
| Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona
|-
| Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči
|-
| Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije
|-
| Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala
|-
| Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula
|-
| Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta
|}

I hope I haven't forgotten anything!

=== The code ISV ===
* In interwiki links, the language should appear as: &lt;code&gt;Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы&lt;/code&gt;
* The English name of the language is &quot;Interslavic&quot;.
* There still appear to be issues with the language code &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;. In Babel boxes, for example, &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt; work, but &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; does not.
* I guess using &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; shoud have a fallback sequence to &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt;, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested.

=== Transliteration once more ===
''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though.

That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

:Finally! That is some great news. 
:All the points touched here make sense to me. 
:I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or  Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hi Jan,
:Many thanks for this communication.
:My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.&lt;br /&gt;Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text
:&lt;pre&gt;{{-|text not to be transliterated}}&lt;/pre&gt;
:all it does only adding HTML tag
:&lt;pre&gt;&amp;lt;span class=&quot;ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;&amp;gt;text not to be transliterated&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used &quot;manually&quot; when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now.
:I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example
:&lt;pre&gt;{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}&lt;/pre&gt;
:where:&lt;br/&gt; 
:''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)&lt;br/&gt;
:''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)&lt;br/&gt;
:''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin&lt;br/&gt;
:''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used).
:This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting.
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ |Examples
|-
! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1&lt;/nowiki&gt; || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) 
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua&lt;/nowiki&gt; || cyr || Жан-Франсуа
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1&lt;/nowiki&gt; || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua)
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|lat
|Jean-François
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|cyr
|Жан-Франсуа
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|lat
|Györ (Ďjor)
|}
:Would this proposal be of interest?
:It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current &lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|...}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt; template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice:

&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;

If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary.

One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter:

&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;

Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like &quot;{{-|Microsoft}}&quot;. Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

=== Script ===
{{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}}

:So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script.
:My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text.
:&lt;pre&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv-Latn&quot;&gt;Jean-François&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:&lt;pre&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv-Cyrl&quot;&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:&lt;pre&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv&quot;&gt;Žan-Fransua&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.&lt;br/&gt;
:Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9).

:&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;javascript&quot; line=&quot;1&quot; start=&quot;9&quot;&gt;
/** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI
/** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
:@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: 
:::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js
:::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works.
:::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: 
::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&amp;markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000
::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet).
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ Kako koristati
|-
! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}}
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|macOS Sierra}}&lt;/pre&gt;|| &lt;pre&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/pre&gt;
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Jean-François&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/pre&gt;
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Джо Байден&lt;/pre&gt;
|}
:::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi All,
::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
::::&lt;s&gt;Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.&lt;/s&gt; &lt;s&gt;Next point to address.&lt;/s&gt; Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

=== Approval ===
{{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}}

Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-98653-7|&amp;#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10102-52|&amp;#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? 
:::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10115-37|&amp;#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur.
::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10259-25|&amp;#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous &quot;editor&quot;, buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told.
::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic.
::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it.
::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label &quot;constructed language&quot;, but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10286-28|&amp;#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|&amp;#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|&amp;#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
::Good news. A thread &quot;Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia&quot; has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-17126-63|&amp;#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread &quot;Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia,&quot; but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18779-70|&amp;#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18633-18|&amp;#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18861-96|&amp;#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18833-94|&amp;#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-31741-38|&amp;#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

== Wiktionary ==
''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)''

When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. 
::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult.
::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary  that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary.
::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so:
::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution).
::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/)
::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. 
:::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::The slovnik fork is available here 
:::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/
:::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. 
:::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. 
:::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). 
:I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community.
:Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]]
:::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. 
:::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission?
:::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]]
:::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. 
:::So far my plan is the followinɡː 
:::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|&amp;#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое)
:::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|&amp;#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

== Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati  ==

slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati &quot;sravnivati&quot;, ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu

&quot;sravnjati&quot; za mene imaje smysl &quot;uravnjati&quot;, &quot;sdělati jednakovym&quot;, na angl. ''to level''

čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Nu znaješ, &quot;sravnjati&quot; prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola &quot;sravniti&quot;. V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati &gt; -yvati'', a ''-iti &gt; -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati &gt; -avati'' iili ''-iti &gt; -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu  regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) 
::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku &quot;to be comparing&quot; inym slovom.
::Russky	срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять
::Bělorussky	параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць
::Ukrajinsky	порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати
::Poljsky	porów'''ny'''wać
::Češsky	srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat
::Slovačsky	porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať
::Hrvatsky	srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati
::Srbsky	срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати
::Makedonsky	сравнува, споредува
::Bulgarsky	срав'''ня'''вам
::&quot;Sravnjati s zemjeju&quot; — &quot;Compare with Earth?&quot; or &quot;Level it to the ground&quot;?  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Moje prědloženje&quot;:
:::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov.
:::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining)
:::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

== Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju ==

&lt;nowiki&gt;https://medzuslovjansky.onl/&lt;/nowiki&gt;

jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju

može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka

stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov

prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji


[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. 
:::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku &quot;Najdolžejše članky&quot;? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah.
:::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre.
:::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. 
:::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo)
:::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov &gt;10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici:
::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). 
::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis
::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki)
::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki
::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky
::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah
::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. 
::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

== Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju ==

Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. 

Može byti, my takože budemo dodati?

https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

:Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

== Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano ==

Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.&lt;br/&gt;Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: &lt;br/&gt;Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).&lt;br/&gt;

{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ Kako koristati
|-
! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}}
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|macOS Sierra}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;|| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Джо Байден&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;V Providence’u&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;В Провиденсу&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|}
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;s&gt;Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.&lt;/s&gt; Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Tut byl variant
::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod:
::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &amp;rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &amp;rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
:Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

== Originalne &lt;s&gt;imena ljudij&lt;/s&gt; i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov ==

&lt;s&gt;Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?&lt;/s&gt;

&lt;s&gt;Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..&lt;/s&gt;

P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati.

Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije.

Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte.

S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

:Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

== Approval! ==

Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-35104-48|&amp;#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

:approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-36378-17|&amp;#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
: Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Administratorstvo ==

Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti!

Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (&lt;nowiki&gt;~~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt;). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

# {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) 
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

=== Drugi admini ===
{{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
:Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
:::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo &quot;odgovoriti&quot;, to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)

@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo.  – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

=== Drugi admini - glasovanje ===
Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

==== Vipz ====
@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# ...

==== Marcoorio ====
@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
# ...

==== LiMr ====
@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)

#{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
#:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST)


@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)&lt;br /&gt;A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Super. @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], s uspěhom! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:34, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici ==

Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje &quot;Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju&quot; ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku &quot;Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija&quot; jest privedena taka informacija: &quot;Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju&quot;, ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST).

Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami &quot;Članok napisany kiriliceju&quot; / &quot;Članok napisany latiniceju&quot;, tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Razděljenje Krčmy ==

Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili 
Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

: Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti &quot;{{-|village pump}}&quot;, selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu &quot;Portal občiny&quot;, čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno.
::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva.
::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Vikidane ==
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Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{INTERWIKI}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
:The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Trěba udaliti tuty redok &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;templatestyles src=&quot;MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css&quot; /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti &quot;administrator interfejsa&quot;, da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo &quot;Medžuslovjansky&quot;? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako &quot;Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы&quot;. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-39765-34|&amp;#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. 
:1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore &quot;male&quot; članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad &quot;Otava Jo&quot;, kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse &quot;velike&quot; vikidane, kako, napriklad, &quot;Solnce&quot; ili &quot;Napoleon Bonapart&quot; stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 &quot;obvěznyh&quot; člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa?
:2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: &lt;blockquote&gt;Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.&lt;/blockquote&gt; To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti?
:Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::K nomeru 1: Něktore prědmety vo Vikidanyh sut tako zvano polzamknute, čto znači, že prověrjeni koristniki mogut praviti tuty prědmety. Kak ne jeste prověrjeny koristnik, vy ne možete praviti polzamknute prědmety.
::K nomeru 2: Ja ne imaju kakekoli informacije o aktivitetah tutogo koristnika, nu kak to ne jest ješče aktivno, ono to bude pravdopodobno aktivno uže rano. Kak vy hočete, možete mu napisati na jego koristničsku besědu, pravdopodobno na anglijskom, kak tuten koristnik pravdopodobno ne bude uměti medžuslovjansky jezyk, začto on piše na anglijskom. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:57, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Tuty koristnik jest Meta-admin vsego inkubatora vseh viki, docěla mogutna figura 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:44, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Nu, on pravdopodobno imaje mnogo obvezkov, ktoryh on musi rabiti. Dajmo mu dostatok časa. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] imaje pravdu. Vikidane uže sut vključene za medžuslovjansky, ale někoje prědmety o popularnyh ili kontroversijnyh temah mogut byti zaščičene. Ja prěd hviljeju jesm sdělal link na [[Solnce]] i to šlo bez problemov. A čto se tyče gosp. Søby, on napisal, že vključi někaky avtomatičny skript za avtomatično prěneseneje danyh iz šablona INTERWIKI na Vikidane, ale on togo ješče ne sdělal. Ale ja imaju izkušenje, že on dolgo ne odgovarjaje na pytanja i kontakt s njim je trudny. Uviděl jesm, že od konca junija jegova aktivnost byla rědka. Takto teoretično my možemo vse dělati ručno (togda trěba najprvo prějdti na stranicu na někojem drugom jezyku, i odtuda prějdti do Vikidanyh), ale ja myslju, že to jest bezsmyslno raztračenje časa, ibo raněje ili pozdněje to imaje byti sdělano tym skriptom. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:54, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Hvala Jane, Solnce je priključeno. Myslim, instrukcija avtoram bude:
::::# Na avtomatično priključenje staryh člankov budemo čekati, ono někogda bude, ne trěba priključati jih ručno
::::# Prodolžajemo koristati šablon INTERWIKI
::::# Nove članky jest možno prisjedinjati ručno. Ako li prědmet jest hranjeny, trěba prositi to sdělati naših adminov
::::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 11:04, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Točno tako! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:23, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Translations ==

Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Maybe the &quot;Special&quot; namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Kako jest slovo &quot;pěskovišče&quot; kategorizovano? ==

Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo &quot;pěskovišče&quot; roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo &quot;šablon&quot; jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Tako jest slovo &quot;město&quot; roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Patrulovanje ==

Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. &lt;s&gt;Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo.  Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. &lt;/s&gt;[[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

:::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako &quot;možny vandalizm&quot;, &quot;izpraždnjenje stranice&quot; i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija.  [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::::my imajemo šablon &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} &lt;/nowiki&gt;, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Prěključ &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; ==

Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;, Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili &quot;Latinica/Кирилица&quot; kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
::ja imaju nadpis v menju &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;, i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;. No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element &lt;code&gt;p-variants-label&lt;/code&gt; v Vector (2022).  &lt;span style=&quot;text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block&quot;&gt;--[[User:MwGamera|Mw&lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:petite-caps&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;amera]]&lt;/span&gt; ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-39602-39|&amp;#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by &quot;prilěpiti&quot; kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Pěskovišče dlja modulov ==

Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Pozdrav, @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]], kako mene poučil viki-programist, ktory pomagal s translit-skriptom, do svojego ličnogo prostora možno sdělati vsečto, ne jedino LUA-module, ale i Javascript-gadget, to bude rabotati jedino za tebe. Myslim, to dělae se tako: https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul ili https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/My_Gadget.js [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:01, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Link pri testah ale musi byti polny, kako ''{{#invoke:Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul|parametr1|...'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:11, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nu, ja to možu obtestovati. Ja jesm už započel [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly|něčto stvarjati]], nu ja možu tutu sistemu nadrabiti. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:30, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nu, ja jesm to obtestoval, i ja vidimo, že ono to možlivo ne funkcionuje. Tuto jest hyba, ktoru mi zvanje modula piše:
:::&lt;code&gt;Script error: No such module &quot;[[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 1]]&quot;.&lt;/code&gt;
:::Kak se možete pozrěti, stranica ne izobražaje izvorny kod modula kako izvorny kod v programističnogom jezyku Lua, ili kako prostu stranicu. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 14:21, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Izvini, moja grěška, musi byti:
::::https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče_1, i takože pri koristanju
::::{{#invoke:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče_1|параметр1|... (nadějem se, slovo Modul tut ne jest trěbno) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:28, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Nu, to dava smysl. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 14:38, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Divno provodženje šablona ==

Pozdrav. Ja jesm hočel izrabotati šablon dlja tabličky, nu ja ne věm, či ja jesm glupy ili MediaViki jest. Moj šablon se provodi kako jest viděno tu: [https://isv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koristnik:Polda18/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De/%C5%A0ablony/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De_1&amp;oldid=28989] Ja jesm upotrěbil někaku akcentuaciju viki koda, kako samo ja byh mogl izjaviti někaku hybu. Nu, ja jesm nikaku ne viděl. Može někto, prosimo, izjasniti, čto se to děje? Kako by iměl tuten šablon izgledati, jest viděno [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Zaglavje|tu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 13:28, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Ja ješče dodam: šablon se provodi inako v podgledu i inako kako zapisana stranica. Ono to ne jest jedino tu na medžuslovjanskoj Vikipediji, ja jesm testoval jednako provodženje tako na češskoj Vikipediji (ače bez zapisanja). Ono to izpadaje na hybu vo MediaViki softveru ili hybu vo viki kodu šablona. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 13:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)</text>
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== Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici ==

Na Glavnoj stranici tut:

Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу].

Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat?

Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

:@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii
::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | &quot;Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija&quot; | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]]
::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC)

== Prědustavjeno pismo ==

Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt;, and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt; na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: 
* Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like &quot;Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал.&quot; The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. 
* [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains.
* [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian.
* The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them.
* [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript.
* [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that.
* [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages.
* [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works.
* Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable.

I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages:
# It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]]
# However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. 
# Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet.
# A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page.

So here's my own preferred solution, if possible:
# It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names.
# Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order).
# I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible?
# It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have.

There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]&lt;/code&gt; while recognizing &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]&lt;/code&gt;. In other words, we ought to support &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt;, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by &quot;fallback option&quot;, but if it means that &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; is interpreted as &quot;&lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; unless specified otherwise&quot;, I'd be perfectly fine with that.&lt;br /&gt;Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.&lt;br /&gt;For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that &lt;code&gt;'ų' =&gt; 'у'&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;'у' =&gt; 'u'&lt;/code&gt;, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
:I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. &lt;span style=&quot;text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block&quot;&gt;--[[User:MwGamera|Mw&lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:petite-caps&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;amera]]&lt;/span&gt; ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST)

== Транслитерација со Јапонского ==

Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на &quot;Kacušika Hokusaj&quot; або на &quot;Kacušika Hokusai&quot;? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

:Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na &quot;''si''&quot;, &quot;''dzju''&quot;, &quot;''dzjo''&quot; vměsto &quot;''ši''&quot;, &quot;''džu''&quot;, &quot;''džo''&quot; (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky):

{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv
|-
| サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са
|-
| シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши
|-
| シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша
|-
| タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та
|-
| チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи
|-
| ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу
|-
| チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча
|-
| ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња
|-
| ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва
|-
| ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за
|-
| ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи
|-
| ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа
|-
| ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да
|-
| ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи
|-
| ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу
|-
| ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа
|-
! colspan=&quot;7&quot; | razširjena katakana
|-
| ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су
|-
| スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си
|-
| テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те
|-
| ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти
|}

{{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

: Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

== Remaining issues ==

Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please!

=== Transliteration ===
First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write &quot;Džorž Buš&quot; instead of &quot;George Bush&quot; in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like &quot;Георге Бусх&quot;.

At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions:

'''bidirectional:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
| a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü
|-
| а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ
|}

'''unidirectional Lat &amp;rarr; Cyr:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! from
| á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż
|-
! to 
| а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж
|}

'''unidirectional Cyr &amp;rarr; Lat:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! from
| ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я 
|-
! to
| g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja
|}


{{FNBox|Note:
{{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &amp;rarr; Lj and Њ &amp;rarr; Nj will do.}}
}}

=== Alphabetical order ===
Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't):

'''Latin:'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;big&gt;'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż&lt;/big&gt;

'''Cyrillic:'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;big&gt;'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я&lt;/big&gt;

=== Dates ===
* The standard format for dates is: &lt;code&gt;dd.mm.yyyy&lt;/code&gt;
* In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc.

=== Numbers ===
When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs:
* 1: nominative singular (1 dom)
* 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy)
* 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov)
* all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom)
* all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy)
* all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov)

=== Namespaces ===
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Namespace || colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Talk
|-
! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic
|-
| (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda
|-
| User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika
|-
| Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije
|-
| File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla
|-
| MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki
|-
| Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona
|-
| Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči
|-
| Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije
|-
| Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala
|-
| Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula
|-
| Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta
|}

I hope I haven't forgotten anything!

=== The code ISV ===
* In interwiki links, the language should appear as: &lt;code&gt;Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы&lt;/code&gt;
* The English name of the language is &quot;Interslavic&quot;.
* There still appear to be issues with the language code &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;. In Babel boxes, for example, &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt; work, but &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; does not.
* I guess using &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; shoud have a fallback sequence to &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt;, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested.

=== Transliteration once more ===
''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though.

That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

:Finally! That is some great news. 
:All the points touched here make sense to me. 
:I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or  Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hi Jan,
:Many thanks for this communication.
:My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.&lt;br /&gt;Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text
:&lt;pre&gt;{{-|text not to be transliterated}}&lt;/pre&gt;
:all it does only adding HTML tag
:&lt;pre&gt;&amp;lt;span class=&quot;ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;&amp;gt;text not to be transliterated&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used &quot;manually&quot; when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now.
:I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example
:&lt;pre&gt;{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}&lt;/pre&gt;
:where:&lt;br/&gt; 
:''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)&lt;br/&gt;
:''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)&lt;br/&gt;
:''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin&lt;br/&gt;
:''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used).
:This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting.
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ |Examples
|-
! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1&lt;/nowiki&gt; || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) 
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua&lt;/nowiki&gt; || cyr || Жан-Франсуа
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1&lt;/nowiki&gt; || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua)
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|lat
|Jean-François
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|cyr
|Жан-Франсуа
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|lat
|Györ (Ďjor)
|}
:Would this proposal be of interest?
:It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current &lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|...}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt; template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice:

&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;

If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary.

One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter:

&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;

Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like &quot;{{-|Microsoft}}&quot;. Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

=== Script ===
{{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}}

:So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script.
:My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text.
:&lt;pre&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv-Latn&quot;&gt;Jean-François&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:&lt;pre&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv-Cyrl&quot;&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:&lt;pre&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv&quot;&gt;Žan-Fransua&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.&lt;br/&gt;
:Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9).

:&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;javascript&quot; line=&quot;1&quot; start=&quot;9&quot;&gt;
/** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI
/** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
:@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: 
:::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js
:::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works.
:::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: 
::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&amp;markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000
::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet).
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ Kako koristati
|-
! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}}
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|macOS Sierra}}&lt;/pre&gt;|| &lt;pre&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/pre&gt;
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Jean-François&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/pre&gt;
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Джо Байден&lt;/pre&gt;
|}
:::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi All,
::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
::::&lt;s&gt;Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.&lt;/s&gt; &lt;s&gt;Next point to address.&lt;/s&gt; Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

=== Approval ===
{{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}}

Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-98653-7|&amp;#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10102-52|&amp;#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? 
:::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10115-37|&amp;#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur.
::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10259-25|&amp;#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous &quot;editor&quot;, buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told.
::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic.
::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it.
::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label &quot;constructed language&quot;, but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10286-28|&amp;#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|&amp;#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|&amp;#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
::Good news. A thread &quot;Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia&quot; has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-17126-63|&amp;#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread &quot;Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia,&quot; but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18779-70|&amp;#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18633-18|&amp;#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18861-96|&amp;#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18833-94|&amp;#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-31741-38|&amp;#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

== Wiktionary ==
''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)''

When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. 
::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult.
::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary  that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary.
::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so:
::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution).
::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/)
::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. 
:::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::The slovnik fork is available here 
:::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/
:::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. 
:::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. 
:::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). 
:I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community.
:Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]]
:::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. 
:::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission?
:::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]]
:::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. 
:::So far my plan is the followinɡː 
:::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|&amp;#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое)
:::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|&amp;#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

== Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati  ==

slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati &quot;sravnivati&quot;, ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu

&quot;sravnjati&quot; za mene imaje smysl &quot;uravnjati&quot;, &quot;sdělati jednakovym&quot;, na angl. ''to level''

čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Nu znaješ, &quot;sravnjati&quot; prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola &quot;sravniti&quot;. V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati &gt; -yvati'', a ''-iti &gt; -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati &gt; -avati'' iili ''-iti &gt; -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu  regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) 
::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku &quot;to be comparing&quot; inym slovom.
::Russky	срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять
::Bělorussky	параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць
::Ukrajinsky	порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати
::Poljsky	porów'''ny'''wać
::Češsky	srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat
::Slovačsky	porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať
::Hrvatsky	srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati
::Srbsky	срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати
::Makedonsky	сравнува, споредува
::Bulgarsky	срав'''ня'''вам
::&quot;Sravnjati s zemjeju&quot; — &quot;Compare with Earth?&quot; or &quot;Level it to the ground&quot;?  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Moje prědloženje&quot;:
:::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov.
:::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining)
:::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

== Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju ==

&lt;nowiki&gt;https://medzuslovjansky.onl/&lt;/nowiki&gt;

jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju

može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka

stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov

prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji


[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. 
:::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku &quot;Najdolžejše članky&quot;? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah.
:::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre.
:::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. 
:::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo)
:::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov &gt;10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici:
::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). 
::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis
::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki)
::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki
::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky
::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah
::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. 
::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

== Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju ==

Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. 

Može byti, my takože budemo dodati?

https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

:Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

== Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano ==

Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.&lt;br/&gt;Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: &lt;br/&gt;Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).&lt;br/&gt;

{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ Kako koristati
|-
! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}}
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|macOS Sierra}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;|| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Джо Байден&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;V Providence’u&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;В Провиденсу&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|}
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;s&gt;Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.&lt;/s&gt; Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Tut byl variant
::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod:
::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &amp;rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &amp;rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
:Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

== Originalne &lt;s&gt;imena ljudij&lt;/s&gt; i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov ==

&lt;s&gt;Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?&lt;/s&gt;

&lt;s&gt;Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..&lt;/s&gt;

P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati.

Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije.

Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte.

S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

:Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

== Approval! ==

Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-35104-48|&amp;#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

:approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-36378-17|&amp;#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
: Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Administratorstvo ==

Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti!

Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (&lt;nowiki&gt;~~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt;). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

# {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) 
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

=== Drugi admini ===
{{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
:Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
:::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo &quot;odgovoriti&quot;, to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)

@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo.  – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

=== Drugi admini - glasovanje ===
Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

==== Vipz ====
@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# ...

==== Marcoorio ====
@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
# ...

==== LiMr ====
@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)

#{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
#:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST)


@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)&lt;br /&gt;A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Super. @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], s uspěhom! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:34, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici ==

Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje &quot;Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju&quot; ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku &quot;Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija&quot; jest privedena taka informacija: &quot;Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju&quot;, ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST).

Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami &quot;Članok napisany kiriliceju&quot; / &quot;Članok napisany latiniceju&quot;, tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Razděljenje Krčmy ==

Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili 
Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

: Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti &quot;{{-|village pump}}&quot;, selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu &quot;Portal občiny&quot;, čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno.
::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva.
::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Vikidane ==
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Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{INTERWIKI}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
:The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Trěba udaliti tuty redok &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;templatestyles src=&quot;MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css&quot; /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti &quot;administrator interfejsa&quot;, da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo &quot;Medžuslovjansky&quot;? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako &quot;Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы&quot;. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-39765-34|&amp;#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. 
:1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore &quot;male&quot; članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad &quot;Otava Jo&quot;, kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse &quot;velike&quot; vikidane, kako, napriklad, &quot;Solnce&quot; ili &quot;Napoleon Bonapart&quot; stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 &quot;obvěznyh&quot; člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa?
:2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: &lt;blockquote&gt;Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.&lt;/blockquote&gt; To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti?
:Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::K nomeru 1: Něktore prědmety vo Vikidanyh sut tako zvano polzamknute, čto znači, že prověrjeni koristniki mogut praviti tuty prědmety. Kak ne jeste prověrjeny koristnik, vy ne možete praviti polzamknute prědmety.
::K nomeru 2: Ja ne imaju kakekoli informacije o aktivitetah tutogo koristnika, nu kak to ne jest ješče aktivno, ono to bude pravdopodobno aktivno uže rano. Kak vy hočete, možete mu napisati na jego koristničsku besědu, pravdopodobno na anglijskom, kak tuten koristnik pravdopodobno ne bude uměti medžuslovjansky jezyk, začto on piše na anglijskom. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:57, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Tuty koristnik jest Meta-admin vsego inkubatora vseh viki, docěla mogutna figura 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:44, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Nu, on pravdopodobno imaje mnogo obvezkov, ktoryh on musi rabiti. Dajmo mu dostatok časa. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] imaje pravdu. Vikidane uže sut vključene za medžuslovjansky, ale někoje prědmety o popularnyh ili kontroversijnyh temah mogut byti zaščičene. Ja prěd hviljeju jesm sdělal link na [[Solnce]] i to šlo bez problemov. A čto se tyče gosp. Søby, on napisal, že vključi někaky avtomatičny skript za avtomatično prěneseneje danyh iz šablona INTERWIKI na Vikidane, ale on togo ješče ne sdělal. Ale ja imaju izkušenje, že on dolgo ne odgovarjaje na pytanja i kontakt s njim je trudny. Uviděl jesm, že od konca junija jegova aktivnost byla rědka. Takto teoretično my možemo vse dělati ručno (togda trěba najprvo prějdti na stranicu na někojem drugom jezyku, i odtuda prějdti do Vikidanyh), ale ja myslju, že to jest bezsmyslno raztračenje časa, ibo raněje ili pozdněje to imaje byti sdělano tym skriptom. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:54, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Hvala Jane, Solnce je priključeno. Myslim, instrukcija avtoram bude:
::::# Na avtomatično priključenje staryh člankov budemo čekati, ono někogda bude, ne trěba priključati jih ručno
::::# Prodolžajemo koristati šablon INTERWIKI
::::# Nove članky jest možno prisjedinjati ručno. Ako li prědmet jest hranjeny, trěba prositi to sdělati naših adminov
::::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 11:04, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Točno tako! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:23, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Translations ==

Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Maybe the &quot;Special&quot; namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Kako jest slovo &quot;pěskovišče&quot; kategorizovano? ==

Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo &quot;pěskovišče&quot; roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo &quot;šablon&quot; jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Tako jest slovo &quot;město&quot; roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Patrulovanje ==

Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. &lt;s&gt;Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo.  Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. &lt;/s&gt;[[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

:::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako &quot;možny vandalizm&quot;, &quot;izpraždnjenje stranice&quot; i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija.  [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::::my imajemo šablon &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} &lt;/nowiki&gt;, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Prěključ &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; ==

Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;, Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili &quot;Latinica/Кирилица&quot; kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
::ja imaju nadpis v menju &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;, i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;. No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element &lt;code&gt;p-variants-label&lt;/code&gt; v Vector (2022).  &lt;span style=&quot;text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block&quot;&gt;--[[User:MwGamera|Mw&lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:petite-caps&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;amera]]&lt;/span&gt; ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-39602-39|&amp;#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by &quot;prilěpiti&quot; kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Pěskovišče dlja modulov ==

Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Pozdrav, @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]], kako mene poučil viki-programist, ktory pomagal s translit-skriptom, do svojego ličnogo prostora možno sdělati vsečto, ne jedino LUA-module, ale i Javascript-gadget, to bude rabotati jedino za tebe. Myslim, to dělae se tako: https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul ili https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/My_Gadget.js [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:01, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Link pri testah ale musi byti polny, kako ''{{#invoke:Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul|parametr1|...'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:11, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nu, ja to možu obtestovati. Ja jesm už započel [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly|něčto stvarjati]], nu ja možu tutu sistemu nadrabiti. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:30, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nu, ja jesm to obtestoval, i ja vidimo, že ono to možlivo ne funkcionuje. Tuto jest hyba, ktoru mi zvanje modula piše:
:::&lt;code&gt;Script error: No such module &quot;[[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 1]]&quot;.&lt;/code&gt;
:::Kak se možete pozrěti, stranica ne izobražaje izvorny kod modula kako izvorny kod v programističnogom jezyku Lua, ili kako prostu stranicu. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 14:21, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Izvini, moja grěška, musi byti:
::::https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče_1, i takože pri koristanju
::::{{#invoke:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče_1|параметр1|... (nadějem se, slovo Modul tut ne jest trěbno) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:28, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Nu, to dava smysl. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 14:38, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

Ja myslju, že to jest kvestija modela sodržanja. V koristiničskom prostoru ono izgledaje inako neželi v prostoru za moduly. Poprobuj něčto v rodu tutogo: [[:Modul:Pěskovišče]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:46, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Divno provodženje šablona ==

Pozdrav. Ja jesm hočel izrabotati šablon dlja tabličky, nu ja ne věm, či ja jesm glupy ili MediaViki jest. Moj šablon se provodi kako jest viděno tu: [https://isv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koristnik:Polda18/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De/%C5%A0ablony/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De_1&amp;oldid=28989] Ja jesm upotrěbil někaku akcentuaciju viki koda, kako samo ja byh mogl izjaviti někaku hybu. Nu, ja jesm nikaku ne viděl. Može někto, prosimo, izjasniti, čto se to děje? Kako by iměl tuten šablon izgledati, jest viděno [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Zaglavje|tu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 13:28, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Ja ješče dodam: šablon se provodi inako v podgledu i inako kako zapisana stranica. Ono to ne jest jedino tu na medžuslovjanskoj Vikipediji, ja jesm testoval jednako provodženje tako na češskoj Vikipediji (ače bez zapisanja). Ono to izpadaje na hybu vo MediaViki softveru ili hybu vo viki kodu šablona. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 13:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)</text>
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== Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici ==

Na Glavnoj stranici tut:

Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу].

Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat?

Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

:@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii
::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | &quot;Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija&quot; | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]]
::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC)

== Prědustavjeno pismo ==

Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt;, and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt; na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: 
* Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like &quot;Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал.&quot; The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. 
* [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains.
* [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian.
* The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them.
* [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript.
* [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that.
* [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages.
* [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works.
* Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable.

I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages:
# It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]]
# However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. 
# Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet.
# A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page.

So here's my own preferred solution, if possible:
# It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names.
# Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order).
# I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible?
# It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have.

There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]&lt;/code&gt; while recognizing &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]&lt;/code&gt;. In other words, we ought to support &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt;, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by &quot;fallback option&quot;, but if it means that &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; is interpreted as &quot;&lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; unless specified otherwise&quot;, I'd be perfectly fine with that.&lt;br /&gt;Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.&lt;br /&gt;For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that &lt;code&gt;'ų' =&gt; 'у'&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;'у' =&gt; 'u'&lt;/code&gt;, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
:I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. &lt;span style=&quot;text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block&quot;&gt;--[[User:MwGamera|Mw&lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:petite-caps&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;amera]]&lt;/span&gt; ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST)

== Транслитерација со Јапонского ==

Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на &quot;Kacušika Hokusaj&quot; або на &quot;Kacušika Hokusai&quot;? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

:Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na &quot;''si''&quot;, &quot;''dzju''&quot;, &quot;''dzjo''&quot; vměsto &quot;''ši''&quot;, &quot;''džu''&quot;, &quot;''džo''&quot; (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky):

{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv
|-
| サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са
|-
| シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши
|-
| シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша
|-
| タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та
|-
| チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи
|-
| ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу
|-
| チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча
|-
| ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња
|-
| ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва
|-
| ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за
|-
| ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи
|-
| ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа
|-
| ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да
|-
| ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи
|-
| ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу
|-
| ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа
|-
! colspan=&quot;7&quot; | razširjena katakana
|-
| ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су
|-
| スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си
|-
| テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те
|-
| ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти
|}

{{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

: Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

== Remaining issues ==

Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please!

=== Transliteration ===
First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write &quot;Džorž Buš&quot; instead of &quot;George Bush&quot; in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like &quot;Георге Бусх&quot;.

At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions:

'''bidirectional:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
| a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü
|-
| а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ
|}

'''unidirectional Lat &amp;rarr; Cyr:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! from
| á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż
|-
! to 
| а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж
|}

'''unidirectional Cyr &amp;rarr; Lat:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! from
| ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я 
|-
! to
| g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja
|}


{{FNBox|Note:
{{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &amp;rarr; Lj and Њ &amp;rarr; Nj will do.}}
}}

=== Alphabetical order ===
Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't):

'''Latin:'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;big&gt;'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż&lt;/big&gt;

'''Cyrillic:'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;big&gt;'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я&lt;/big&gt;

=== Dates ===
* The standard format for dates is: &lt;code&gt;dd.mm.yyyy&lt;/code&gt;
* In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc.

=== Numbers ===
When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs:
* 1: nominative singular (1 dom)
* 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy)
* 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov)
* all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom)
* all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy)
* all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov)

=== Namespaces ===
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Namespace || colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Talk
|-
! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic
|-
| (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda
|-
| User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika
|-
| Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije
|-
| File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla
|-
| MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki
|-
| Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona
|-
| Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči
|-
| Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije
|-
| Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala
|-
| Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula
|-
| Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta
|}

I hope I haven't forgotten anything!

=== The code ISV ===
* In interwiki links, the language should appear as: &lt;code&gt;Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы&lt;/code&gt;
* The English name of the language is &quot;Interslavic&quot;.
* There still appear to be issues with the language code &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;. In Babel boxes, for example, &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt; work, but &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; does not.
* I guess using &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; shoud have a fallback sequence to &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt;, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested.

=== Transliteration once more ===
''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though.

That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

:Finally! That is some great news. 
:All the points touched here make sense to me. 
:I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or  Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hi Jan,
:Many thanks for this communication.
:My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.&lt;br /&gt;Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text
:&lt;pre&gt;{{-|text not to be transliterated}}&lt;/pre&gt;
:all it does only adding HTML tag
:&lt;pre&gt;&amp;lt;span class=&quot;ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;&amp;gt;text not to be transliterated&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used &quot;manually&quot; when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now.
:I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example
:&lt;pre&gt;{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}&lt;/pre&gt;
:where:&lt;br/&gt; 
:''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)&lt;br/&gt;
:''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)&lt;br/&gt;
:''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin&lt;br/&gt;
:''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used).
:This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting.
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ |Examples
|-
! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1&lt;/nowiki&gt; || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) 
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua&lt;/nowiki&gt; || cyr || Жан-Франсуа
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1&lt;/nowiki&gt; || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua)
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|lat
|Jean-François
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|cyr
|Жан-Франсуа
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|lat
|Györ (Ďjor)
|}
:Would this proposal be of interest?
:It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current &lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|...}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt; template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice:

&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;

If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary.

One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter:

&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;

Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like &quot;{{-|Microsoft}}&quot;. Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

=== Script ===
{{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}}

:So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script.
:My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text.
:&lt;pre&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv-Latn&quot;&gt;Jean-François&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:&lt;pre&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv-Cyrl&quot;&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:&lt;pre&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv&quot;&gt;Žan-Fransua&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.&lt;br/&gt;
:Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9).

:&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;javascript&quot; line=&quot;1&quot; start=&quot;9&quot;&gt;
/** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI
/** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
:@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: 
:::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js
:::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works.
:::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: 
::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&amp;markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000
::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet).
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ Kako koristati
|-
! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}}
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|macOS Sierra}}&lt;/pre&gt;|| &lt;pre&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/pre&gt;
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Jean-François&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/pre&gt;
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Джо Байден&lt;/pre&gt;
|}
:::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi All,
::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
::::&lt;s&gt;Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.&lt;/s&gt; &lt;s&gt;Next point to address.&lt;/s&gt; Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

=== Approval ===
{{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}}

Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-98653-7|&amp;#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10102-52|&amp;#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? 
:::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10115-37|&amp;#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur.
::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10259-25|&amp;#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous &quot;editor&quot;, buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told.
::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic.
::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it.
::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label &quot;constructed language&quot;, but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10286-28|&amp;#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|&amp;#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|&amp;#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
::Good news. A thread &quot;Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia&quot; has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-17126-63|&amp;#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread &quot;Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia,&quot; but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18779-70|&amp;#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18633-18|&amp;#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18861-96|&amp;#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18833-94|&amp;#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-31741-38|&amp;#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

== Wiktionary ==
''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)''

When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. 
::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult.
::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary  that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary.
::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so:
::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution).
::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/)
::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. 
:::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::The slovnik fork is available here 
:::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/
:::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. 
:::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. 
:::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). 
:I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community.
:Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]]
:::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. 
:::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission?
:::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]]
:::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. 
:::So far my plan is the followinɡː 
:::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|&amp;#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое)
:::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|&amp;#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

== Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati  ==

slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati &quot;sravnivati&quot;, ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu

&quot;sravnjati&quot; za mene imaje smysl &quot;uravnjati&quot;, &quot;sdělati jednakovym&quot;, na angl. ''to level''

čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Nu znaješ, &quot;sravnjati&quot; prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola &quot;sravniti&quot;. V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati &gt; -yvati'', a ''-iti &gt; -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati &gt; -avati'' iili ''-iti &gt; -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu  regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) 
::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku &quot;to be comparing&quot; inym slovom.
::Russky	срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять
::Bělorussky	параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць
::Ukrajinsky	порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати
::Poljsky	porów'''ny'''wać
::Češsky	srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat
::Slovačsky	porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať
::Hrvatsky	srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati
::Srbsky	срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати
::Makedonsky	сравнува, споредува
::Bulgarsky	срав'''ня'''вам
::&quot;Sravnjati s zemjeju&quot; — &quot;Compare with Earth?&quot; or &quot;Level it to the ground&quot;?  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Moje prědloženje&quot;:
:::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov.
:::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining)
:::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

== Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju ==

&lt;nowiki&gt;https://medzuslovjansky.onl/&lt;/nowiki&gt;

jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju

može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka

stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov

prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji


[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. 
:::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku &quot;Najdolžejše članky&quot;? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah.
:::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre.
:::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. 
:::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo)
:::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov &gt;10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici:
::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). 
::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis
::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki)
::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki
::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky
::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah
::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. 
::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

== Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju ==

Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. 

Može byti, my takože budemo dodati?

https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

:Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

== Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano ==

Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.&lt;br/&gt;Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: &lt;br/&gt;Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).&lt;br/&gt;

{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ Kako koristati
|-
! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}}
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|macOS Sierra}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;|| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Джо Байден&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;V Providence’u&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;В Провиденсу&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|}
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;s&gt;Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.&lt;/s&gt; Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Tut byl variant
::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod:
::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &amp;rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &amp;rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
:Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

== Originalne &lt;s&gt;imena ljudij&lt;/s&gt; i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov ==

&lt;s&gt;Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?&lt;/s&gt;

&lt;s&gt;Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..&lt;/s&gt;

P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati.

Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije.

Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte.

S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

:Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

== Approval! ==

Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-35104-48|&amp;#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

:approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-36378-17|&amp;#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
: Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Administratorstvo ==

Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti!

Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (&lt;nowiki&gt;~~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt;). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

# {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) 
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

=== Drugi admini ===
{{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
:Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
:::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo &quot;odgovoriti&quot;, to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)

@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo.  – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

=== Drugi admini - glasovanje ===
Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

==== Vipz ====
@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# ...

==== Marcoorio ====
@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
# ...

==== LiMr ====
@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)

#{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
#:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST)


@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)&lt;br /&gt;A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Super. @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], s uspěhom! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:34, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici ==

Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje &quot;Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju&quot; ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku &quot;Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija&quot; jest privedena taka informacija: &quot;Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju&quot;, ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST).

Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami &quot;Članok napisany kiriliceju&quot; / &quot;Članok napisany latiniceju&quot;, tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Razděljenje Krčmy ==

Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili 
Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

: Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti &quot;{{-|village pump}}&quot;, selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu &quot;Portal občiny&quot;, čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno.
::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva.
::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Vikidane ==
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Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{INTERWIKI}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
:The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Trěba udaliti tuty redok &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;templatestyles src=&quot;MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css&quot; /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti &quot;administrator interfejsa&quot;, da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo &quot;Medžuslovjansky&quot;? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako &quot;Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы&quot;. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-39765-34|&amp;#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. 
:1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore &quot;male&quot; članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad &quot;Otava Jo&quot;, kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse &quot;velike&quot; vikidane, kako, napriklad, &quot;Solnce&quot; ili &quot;Napoleon Bonapart&quot; stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 &quot;obvěznyh&quot; člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa?
:2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: &lt;blockquote&gt;Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.&lt;/blockquote&gt; To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti?
:Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::K nomeru 1: Něktore prědmety vo Vikidanyh sut tako zvano polzamknute, čto znači, že prověrjeni koristniki mogut praviti tuty prědmety. Kak ne jeste prověrjeny koristnik, vy ne možete praviti polzamknute prědmety.
::K nomeru 2: Ja ne imaju kakekoli informacije o aktivitetah tutogo koristnika, nu kak to ne jest ješče aktivno, ono to bude pravdopodobno aktivno uže rano. Kak vy hočete, možete mu napisati na jego koristničsku besědu, pravdopodobno na anglijskom, kak tuten koristnik pravdopodobno ne bude uměti medžuslovjansky jezyk, začto on piše na anglijskom. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:57, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Tuty koristnik jest Meta-admin vsego inkubatora vseh viki, docěla mogutna figura 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:44, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Nu, on pravdopodobno imaje mnogo obvezkov, ktoryh on musi rabiti. Dajmo mu dostatok časa. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] imaje pravdu. Vikidane uže sut vključene za medžuslovjansky, ale někoje prědmety o popularnyh ili kontroversijnyh temah mogut byti zaščičene. Ja prěd hviljeju jesm sdělal link na [[Solnce]] i to šlo bez problemov. A čto se tyče gosp. Søby, on napisal, že vključi někaky avtomatičny skript za avtomatično prěneseneje danyh iz šablona INTERWIKI na Vikidane, ale on togo ješče ne sdělal. Ale ja imaju izkušenje, že on dolgo ne odgovarjaje na pytanja i kontakt s njim je trudny. Uviděl jesm, že od konca junija jegova aktivnost byla rědka. Takto teoretično my možemo vse dělati ručno (togda trěba najprvo prějdti na stranicu na někojem drugom jezyku, i odtuda prějdti do Vikidanyh), ale ja myslju, že to jest bezsmyslno raztračenje časa, ibo raněje ili pozdněje to imaje byti sdělano tym skriptom. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:54, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Hvala Jane, Solnce je priključeno. Myslim, instrukcija avtoram bude:
::::# Na avtomatično priključenje staryh člankov budemo čekati, ono někogda bude, ne trěba priključati jih ručno
::::# Prodolžajemo koristati šablon INTERWIKI
::::# Nove članky jest možno prisjedinjati ručno. Ako li prědmet jest hranjeny, trěba prositi to sdělati naših adminov
::::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 11:04, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Točno tako! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:23, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja to mogu sdělati. Uže jesm sdělal několiko ([[Special:Contributions/Vipz]]), nu idealno by bylo usposobiti ili vlastnogo bota ([[:sh:Korisnik:Vipz-bot]]) na tutom projektu, ili dostati pseudo-bot horugvu. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 17:27, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Translations ==

Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Maybe the &quot;Special&quot; namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Kako jest slovo &quot;pěskovišče&quot; kategorizovano? ==

Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo &quot;pěskovišče&quot; roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo &quot;šablon&quot; jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Tako jest slovo &quot;město&quot; roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Patrulovanje ==

Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. &lt;s&gt;Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo.  Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. &lt;/s&gt;[[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

:::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako &quot;možny vandalizm&quot;, &quot;izpraždnjenje stranice&quot; i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija.  [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::::my imajemo šablon &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} &lt;/nowiki&gt;, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Prěključ &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; ==

Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;, Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili &quot;Latinica/Кирилица&quot; kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
::ja imaju nadpis v menju &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;, i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;. No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element &lt;code&gt;p-variants-label&lt;/code&gt; v Vector (2022).  &lt;span style=&quot;text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block&quot;&gt;--[[User:MwGamera|Mw&lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:petite-caps&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;amera]]&lt;/span&gt; ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-39602-39|&amp;#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by &quot;prilěpiti&quot; kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Pěskovišče dlja modulov ==

Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Pozdrav, @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]], kako mene poučil viki-programist, ktory pomagal s translit-skriptom, do svojego ličnogo prostora možno sdělati vsečto, ne jedino LUA-module, ale i Javascript-gadget, to bude rabotati jedino za tebe. Myslim, to dělae se tako: https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul ili https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/My_Gadget.js [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:01, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Link pri testah ale musi byti polny, kako ''{{#invoke:Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul|parametr1|...'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:11, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nu, ja to možu obtestovati. Ja jesm už započel [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly|něčto stvarjati]], nu ja možu tutu sistemu nadrabiti. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:30, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nu, ja jesm to obtestoval, i ja vidimo, že ono to možlivo ne funkcionuje. Tuto jest hyba, ktoru mi zvanje modula piše:
:::&lt;code&gt;Script error: No such module &quot;[[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 1]]&quot;.&lt;/code&gt;
:::Kak se možete pozrěti, stranica ne izobražaje izvorny kod modula kako izvorny kod v programističnogom jezyku Lua, ili kako prostu stranicu. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 14:21, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Izvini, moja grěška, musi byti:
::::https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče_1, i takože pri koristanju
::::{{#invoke:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče_1|параметр1|... (nadějem se, slovo Modul tut ne jest trěbno) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:28, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Nu, to dava smysl. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 14:38, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

Ja myslju, že to jest kvestija modela sodržanja. V koristiničskom prostoru ono izgledaje inako neželi v prostoru za moduly. Poprobuj něčto v rodu tutogo: [[:Modul:Pěskovišče]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:46, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Divno provodženje šablona ==

Pozdrav. Ja jesm hočel izrabotati šablon dlja tabličky, nu ja ne věm, či ja jesm glupy ili MediaViki jest. Moj šablon se provodi kako jest viděno tu: [https://isv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koristnik:Polda18/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De/%C5%A0ablony/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De_1&amp;oldid=28989] Ja jesm upotrěbil někaku akcentuaciju viki koda, kako samo ja byh mogl izjaviti někaku hybu. Nu, ja jesm nikaku ne viděl. Može někto, prosimo, izjasniti, čto se to děje? Kako by iměl tuten šablon izgledati, jest viděno [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Zaglavje|tu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 13:28, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Ja ješče dodam: šablon se provodi inako v podgledu i inako kako zapisana stranica. Ono to ne jest jedino tu na medžuslovjanskoj Vikipediji, ja jesm testoval jednako provodženje tako na češskoj Vikipediji (ače bez zapisanja). Ono to izpadaje na hybu vo MediaViki softveru ili hybu vo viki kodu šablona. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 13:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)</text>
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== Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici ==

Na Glavnoj stranici tut:

Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу].

Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat?

Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

:@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii
::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | &quot;Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija&quot; | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]]
::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC)

== Prědustavjeno pismo ==

Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt;, and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt; na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: 
* Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like &quot;Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал.&quot; The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. 
* [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains.
* [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian.
* The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them.
* [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript.
* [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that.
* [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages.
* [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works.
* Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable.

I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages:
# It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]]
# However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. 
# Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet.
# A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page.

So here's my own preferred solution, if possible:
# It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names.
# Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order).
# I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible?
# It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have.

There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]&lt;/code&gt; while recognizing &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]&lt;/code&gt;. In other words, we ought to support &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt;, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by &quot;fallback option&quot;, but if it means that &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; is interpreted as &quot;&lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; unless specified otherwise&quot;, I'd be perfectly fine with that.&lt;br /&gt;Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.&lt;br /&gt;For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that &lt;code&gt;'ų' =&gt; 'у'&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;'у' =&gt; 'u'&lt;/code&gt;, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
:I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. &lt;span style=&quot;text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block&quot;&gt;--[[User:MwGamera|Mw&lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:petite-caps&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;amera]]&lt;/span&gt; ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST)

== Транслитерација со Јапонского ==

Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на &quot;Kacušika Hokusaj&quot; або на &quot;Kacušika Hokusai&quot;? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

:Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na &quot;''si''&quot;, &quot;''dzju''&quot;, &quot;''dzjo''&quot; vměsto &quot;''ši''&quot;, &quot;''džu''&quot;, &quot;''džo''&quot; (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky):

{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv
|-
| サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са
|-
| シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши
|-
| シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша
|-
| タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та
|-
| チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи
|-
| ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу
|-
| チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча
|-
| ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња
|-
| ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва
|-
| ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за
|-
| ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи
|-
| ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа
|-
| ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да
|-
| ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи
|-
| ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу
|-
| ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа
|-
! colspan=&quot;7&quot; | razširjena katakana
|-
| ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су
|-
| スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си
|-
| テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те
|-
| ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти
|}

{{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

: Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

== Remaining issues ==

Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please!

=== Transliteration ===
First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write &quot;Džorž Buš&quot; instead of &quot;George Bush&quot; in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like &quot;Георге Бусх&quot;.

At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions:

'''bidirectional:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
| a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü
|-
| а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ
|}

'''unidirectional Lat &amp;rarr; Cyr:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! from
| á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż
|-
! to 
| а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж
|}

'''unidirectional Cyr &amp;rarr; Lat:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! from
| ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я 
|-
! to
| g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja
|}


{{FNBox|Note:
{{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &amp;rarr; Lj and Њ &amp;rarr; Nj will do.}}
}}

=== Alphabetical order ===
Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't):

'''Latin:'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;big&gt;'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż&lt;/big&gt;

'''Cyrillic:'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;big&gt;'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я&lt;/big&gt;

=== Dates ===
* The standard format for dates is: &lt;code&gt;dd.mm.yyyy&lt;/code&gt;
* In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc.

=== Numbers ===
When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs:
* 1: nominative singular (1 dom)
* 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy)
* 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov)
* all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom)
* all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy)
* all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov)

=== Namespaces ===
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Namespace || colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Talk
|-
! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic
|-
| (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda
|-
| User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika
|-
| Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije
|-
| File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla
|-
| MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki
|-
| Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona
|-
| Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči
|-
| Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije
|-
| Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala
|-
| Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula
|-
| Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta
|}

I hope I haven't forgotten anything!

=== The code ISV ===
* In interwiki links, the language should appear as: &lt;code&gt;Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы&lt;/code&gt;
* The English name of the language is &quot;Interslavic&quot;.
* There still appear to be issues with the language code &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;. In Babel boxes, for example, &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt; work, but &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; does not.
* I guess using &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; shoud have a fallback sequence to &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt;, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested.

=== Transliteration once more ===
''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though.

That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

:Finally! That is some great news. 
:All the points touched here make sense to me. 
:I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or  Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hi Jan,
:Many thanks for this communication.
:My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.&lt;br /&gt;Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text
:&lt;pre&gt;{{-|text not to be transliterated}}&lt;/pre&gt;
:all it does only adding HTML tag
:&lt;pre&gt;&amp;lt;span class=&quot;ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;&amp;gt;text not to be transliterated&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used &quot;manually&quot; when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now.
:I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example
:&lt;pre&gt;{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}&lt;/pre&gt;
:where:&lt;br/&gt; 
:''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)&lt;br/&gt;
:''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)&lt;br/&gt;
:''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin&lt;br/&gt;
:''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used).
:This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting.
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ |Examples
|-
! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1&lt;/nowiki&gt; || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) 
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua&lt;/nowiki&gt; || cyr || Жан-Франсуа
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1&lt;/nowiki&gt; || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua)
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|lat
|Jean-François
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|cyr
|Жан-Франсуа
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|lat
|Györ (Ďjor)
|}
:Would this proposal be of interest?
:It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current &lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|...}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt; template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice:

&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;

If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary.

One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter:

&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;

Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like &quot;{{-|Microsoft}}&quot;. Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

=== Script ===
{{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}}

:So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script.
:My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text.
:&lt;pre&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv-Latn&quot;&gt;Jean-François&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:&lt;pre&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv-Cyrl&quot;&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:&lt;pre&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv&quot;&gt;Žan-Fransua&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.&lt;br/&gt;
:Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9).

:&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;javascript&quot; line=&quot;1&quot; start=&quot;9&quot;&gt;
/** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI
/** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
:@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: 
:::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js
:::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works.
:::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: 
::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&amp;markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000
::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet).
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ Kako koristati
|-
! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}}
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|macOS Sierra}}&lt;/pre&gt;|| &lt;pre&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/pre&gt;
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Jean-François&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/pre&gt;
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Джо Байден&lt;/pre&gt;
|}
:::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi All,
::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
::::&lt;s&gt;Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.&lt;/s&gt; &lt;s&gt;Next point to address.&lt;/s&gt; Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

=== Approval ===
{{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}}

Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-98653-7|&amp;#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10102-52|&amp;#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? 
:::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10115-37|&amp;#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur.
::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10259-25|&amp;#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous &quot;editor&quot;, buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told.
::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic.
::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it.
::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label &quot;constructed language&quot;, but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10286-28|&amp;#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|&amp;#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|&amp;#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
::Good news. A thread &quot;Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia&quot; has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-17126-63|&amp;#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread &quot;Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia,&quot; but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18779-70|&amp;#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18633-18|&amp;#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18861-96|&amp;#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18833-94|&amp;#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-31741-38|&amp;#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

== Wiktionary ==
''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)''

When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. 
::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult.
::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary  that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary.
::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so:
::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution).
::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/)
::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. 
:::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::The slovnik fork is available here 
:::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/
:::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. 
:::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. 
:::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). 
:I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community.
:Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]]
:::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. 
:::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission?
:::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]]
:::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. 
:::So far my plan is the followinɡː 
:::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|&amp;#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое)
:::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|&amp;#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

== Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati  ==

slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati &quot;sravnivati&quot;, ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu

&quot;sravnjati&quot; za mene imaje smysl &quot;uravnjati&quot;, &quot;sdělati jednakovym&quot;, na angl. ''to level''

čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Nu znaješ, &quot;sravnjati&quot; prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola &quot;sravniti&quot;. V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati &gt; -yvati'', a ''-iti &gt; -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati &gt; -avati'' iili ''-iti &gt; -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu  regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) 
::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku &quot;to be comparing&quot; inym slovom.
::Russky	срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять
::Bělorussky	параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць
::Ukrajinsky	порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати
::Poljsky	porów'''ny'''wać
::Češsky	srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat
::Slovačsky	porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať
::Hrvatsky	srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati
::Srbsky	срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати
::Makedonsky	сравнува, споредува
::Bulgarsky	срав'''ня'''вам
::&quot;Sravnjati s zemjeju&quot; — &quot;Compare with Earth?&quot; or &quot;Level it to the ground&quot;?  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Moje prědloženje&quot;:
:::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov.
:::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining)
:::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

== Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju ==

&lt;nowiki&gt;https://medzuslovjansky.onl/&lt;/nowiki&gt;

jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju

može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka

stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov

prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji


[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. 
:::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku &quot;Najdolžejše članky&quot;? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah.
:::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre.
:::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. 
:::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo)
:::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov &gt;10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici:
::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). 
::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis
::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki)
::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki
::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky
::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah
::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. 
::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

== Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju ==

Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. 

Može byti, my takože budemo dodati?

https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

:Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

== Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano ==

Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.&lt;br/&gt;Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: &lt;br/&gt;Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).&lt;br/&gt;

{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ Kako koristati
|-
! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}}
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|macOS Sierra}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;|| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Джо Байден&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;V Providence’u&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;В Провиденсу&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|}
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;s&gt;Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.&lt;/s&gt; Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Tut byl variant
::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod:
::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &amp;rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &amp;rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
:Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

== Originalne &lt;s&gt;imena ljudij&lt;/s&gt; i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov ==

&lt;s&gt;Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?&lt;/s&gt;

&lt;s&gt;Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..&lt;/s&gt;

P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati.

Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije.

Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte.

S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

:Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

== Approval! ==

Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-35104-48|&amp;#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

:approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-36378-17|&amp;#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
: Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Administratorstvo ==

Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti!

Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (&lt;nowiki&gt;~~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt;). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

# {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) 
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

=== Drugi admini ===
{{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
:Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
:::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo &quot;odgovoriti&quot;, to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)

@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo.  – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

=== Drugi admini - glasovanje ===
Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

==== Vipz ====
@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# ...

==== Marcoorio ====
@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
# ...

==== LiMr ====
@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)

#{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
#:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST)


@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)&lt;br /&gt;A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Super. @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], s uspěhom! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:34, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici ==

Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje &quot;Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju&quot; ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku &quot;Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija&quot; jest privedena taka informacija: &quot;Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju&quot;, ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST).

Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami &quot;Članok napisany kiriliceju&quot; / &quot;Članok napisany latiniceju&quot;, tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Razděljenje Krčmy ==

Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili 
Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

: Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti &quot;{{-|village pump}}&quot;, selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu &quot;Portal občiny&quot;, čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno.
::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva.
::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Vikidane ==
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Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{INTERWIKI}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
:The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Trěba udaliti tuty redok &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;templatestyles src=&quot;MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css&quot; /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti &quot;administrator interfejsa&quot;, da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo &quot;Medžuslovjansky&quot;? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako &quot;Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы&quot;. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-39765-34|&amp;#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. 
:1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore &quot;male&quot; članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad &quot;Otava Jo&quot;, kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse &quot;velike&quot; vikidane, kako, napriklad, &quot;Solnce&quot; ili &quot;Napoleon Bonapart&quot; stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 &quot;obvěznyh&quot; člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa?
:2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: &lt;blockquote&gt;Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.&lt;/blockquote&gt; To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti?
:Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::K nomeru 1: Něktore prědmety vo Vikidanyh sut tako zvano polzamknute, čto znači, že prověrjeni koristniki mogut praviti tuty prědmety. Kak ne jeste prověrjeny koristnik, vy ne možete praviti polzamknute prědmety.
::K nomeru 2: Ja ne imaju kakekoli informacije o aktivitetah tutogo koristnika, nu kak to ne jest ješče aktivno, ono to bude pravdopodobno aktivno uže rano. Kak vy hočete, možete mu napisati na jego koristničsku besědu, pravdopodobno na anglijskom, kak tuten koristnik pravdopodobno ne bude uměti medžuslovjansky jezyk, začto on piše na anglijskom. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:57, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Tuty koristnik jest Meta-admin vsego inkubatora vseh viki, docěla mogutna figura 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:44, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Nu, on pravdopodobno imaje mnogo obvezkov, ktoryh on musi rabiti. Dajmo mu dostatok časa. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] imaje pravdu. Vikidane uže sut vključene za medžuslovjansky, ale někoje prědmety o popularnyh ili kontroversijnyh temah mogut byti zaščičene. Ja prěd hviljeju jesm sdělal link na [[Solnce]] i to šlo bez problemov. A čto se tyče gosp. Søby, on napisal, že vključi někaky avtomatičny skript za avtomatično prěneseneje danyh iz šablona INTERWIKI na Vikidane, ale on togo ješče ne sdělal. Ale ja imaju izkušenje, že on dolgo ne odgovarjaje na pytanja i kontakt s njim je trudny. Uviděl jesm, že od konca junija jegova aktivnost byla rědka. Takto teoretično my možemo vse dělati ručno (togda trěba najprvo prějdti na stranicu na někojem drugom jezyku, i odtuda prějdti do Vikidanyh), ale ja myslju, že to jest bezsmyslno raztračenje časa, ibo raněje ili pozdněje to imaje byti sdělano tym skriptom. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:54, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Hvala Jane, Solnce je priključeno. Myslim, instrukcija avtoram bude:
::::# Na avtomatično priključenje staryh člankov budemo čekati, ono někogda bude, ne trěba priključati jih ručno
::::# Prodolžajemo koristati šablon INTERWIKI
::::# Nove članky jest možno prisjedinjati ručno. Ako li prědmet jest hranjeny, trěba prositi to sdělati naših adminov
::::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 11:04, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Točno tako! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:23, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja to mogu sdělati. Uže jesm sdělal několiko ([[Special:Contributions/Vipz]]), nu idealno by bylo usposobiti ili vlastnogo bota ([[:sh:Korisnik:Vipz-bot]]) na tutom projektu, ili dostati pseudo-bot horugvu. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 17:27, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Translations ==

Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Maybe the &quot;Special&quot; namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Kako jest slovo &quot;pěskovišče&quot; kategorizovano? ==

Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo &quot;pěskovišče&quot; roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo &quot;šablon&quot; jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Tako jest slovo &quot;město&quot; roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Patrulovanje ==

Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. &lt;s&gt;Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo.  Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. &lt;/s&gt;[[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

:::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako &quot;možny vandalizm&quot;, &quot;izpraždnjenje stranice&quot; i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija.  [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::::my imajemo šablon &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} &lt;/nowiki&gt;, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Prěključ &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; ==

Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;, Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili &quot;Latinica/Кирилица&quot; kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
::ja imaju nadpis v menju &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;, i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;. No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element &lt;code&gt;p-variants-label&lt;/code&gt; v Vector (2022).  &lt;span style=&quot;text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block&quot;&gt;--[[User:MwGamera|Mw&lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:petite-caps&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;amera]]&lt;/span&gt; ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-39602-39|&amp;#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by &quot;prilěpiti&quot; kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Pěskovišče dlja modulov ==

Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Pozdrav, @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]], kako mene poučil viki-programist, ktory pomagal s translit-skriptom, do svojego ličnogo prostora možno sdělati vsečto, ne jedino LUA-module, ale i Javascript-gadget, to bude rabotati jedino za tebe. Myslim, to dělae se tako: https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul ili https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/My_Gadget.js [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:01, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Link pri testah ale musi byti polny, kako ''{{#invoke:Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul|parametr1|...'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:11, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nu, ja to možu obtestovati. Ja jesm už započel [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly|něčto stvarjati]], nu ja možu tutu sistemu nadrabiti. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:30, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nu, ja jesm to obtestoval, i ja vidimo, že ono to možlivo ne funkcionuje. Tuto jest hyba, ktoru mi zvanje modula piše:
:::&lt;code&gt;Script error: No such module &quot;[[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 1]]&quot;.&lt;/code&gt;
:::Kak se možete pozrěti, stranica ne izobražaje izvorny kod modula kako izvorny kod v programističnogom jezyku Lua, ili kako prostu stranicu. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 14:21, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Izvini, moja grěška, musi byti:
::::https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče_1, i takože pri koristanju
::::{{#invoke:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče_1|параметр1|... (nadějem se, slovo Modul tut ne jest trěbno) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:28, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Nu, to dava smysl. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 14:38, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

Ja myslju, že to jest kvestija modela sodržanja. V koristiničskom prostoru ono izgledaje inako neželi v prostoru za moduly. Poprobuj něčto v rodu tutogo: [[:Modul:Pěskovišče]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:46, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Ja jesm početkujuči v programističnogom jezyku Lua, ale ja jesm už srazuměl zakladam tutogo jezyka i kako jest tuten jezyk upotrěbjeny v MediaViki softveru. Dalo to trud, ale ono se izplatilo. Ja jesm něčto iztvoril, [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 1|možlivo se pozrěti]]. Tuten modul by iměl byti vami tako rěčeny [[Modul:Pěskovišče]]. Ja hoču ješče iztvoriti dokumentaciju tutogo modula, ale ja ješče ne imaju iztočne stranice zapisok i dokumentacij dlja každogo pěskovišča. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:54, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Divno provodženje šablona ==

Pozdrav. Ja jesm hočel izrabotati šablon dlja tabličky, nu ja ne věm, či ja jesm glupy ili MediaViki jest. Moj šablon se provodi kako jest viděno tu: [https://isv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koristnik:Polda18/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De/%C5%A0ablony/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De_1&amp;oldid=28989] Ja jesm upotrěbil někaku akcentuaciju viki koda, kako samo ja byh mogl izjaviti někaku hybu. Nu, ja jesm nikaku ne viděl. Može někto, prosimo, izjasniti, čto se to děje? Kako by iměl tuten šablon izgledati, jest viděno [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Zaglavje|tu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 13:28, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Ja ješče dodam: šablon se provodi inako v podgledu i inako kako zapisana stranica. Ono to ne jest jedino tu na medžuslovjanskoj Vikipediji, ja jesm testoval jednako provodženje tako na češskoj Vikipediji (ače bez zapisanja). Ono to izpadaje na hybu vo MediaViki softveru ili hybu vo viki kodu šablona. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 13:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)</text>
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== Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici ==

Na Glavnoj stranici tut:

Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу].

Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat?

Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

:@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii
::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | &quot;Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija&quot; | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]]
::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC)

== Prědustavjeno pismo ==

Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt;, and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt; na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: 
* Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like &quot;Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал.&quot; The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. 
* [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains.
* [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian.
* The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them.
* [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript.
* [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that.
* [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages.
* [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works.
* Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable.

I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages:
# It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]]
# However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. 
# Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet.
# A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page.

So here's my own preferred solution, if possible:
# It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names.
# Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order).
# I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible?
# It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have.

There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]&lt;/code&gt; while recognizing &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]&lt;/code&gt;. In other words, we ought to support &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt;, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by &quot;fallback option&quot;, but if it means that &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; is interpreted as &quot;&lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; unless specified otherwise&quot;, I'd be perfectly fine with that.&lt;br /&gt;Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.&lt;br /&gt;For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that &lt;code&gt;'ų' =&gt; 'у'&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;'у' =&gt; 'u'&lt;/code&gt;, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
:I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. &lt;span style=&quot;text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block&quot;&gt;--[[User:MwGamera|Mw&lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:petite-caps&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;amera]]&lt;/span&gt; ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST)

== Транслитерација со Јапонского ==

Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на &quot;Kacušika Hokusaj&quot; або на &quot;Kacušika Hokusai&quot;? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

:Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na &quot;''si''&quot;, &quot;''dzju''&quot;, &quot;''dzjo''&quot; vměsto &quot;''ši''&quot;, &quot;''džu''&quot;, &quot;''džo''&quot; (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky):

{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv
|-
| サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са
|-
| シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши
|-
| シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша
|-
| タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та
|-
| チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи
|-
| ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу
|-
| チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча
|-
| ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња
|-
| ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва
|-
| ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за
|-
| ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи
|-
| ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа
|-
| ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да
|-
| ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи
|-
| ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу
|-
| ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа
|-
! colspan=&quot;7&quot; | razširjena katakana
|-
| ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су
|-
| スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си
|-
| テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те
|-
| ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти
|}

{{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

: Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

== Remaining issues ==

Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please!

=== Transliteration ===
First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write &quot;Džorž Buš&quot; instead of &quot;George Bush&quot; in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like &quot;Георге Бусх&quot;.

At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions:

'''bidirectional:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
| a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü
|-
| а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ
|}

'''unidirectional Lat &amp;rarr; Cyr:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! from
| á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż
|-
! to 
| а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж
|}

'''unidirectional Cyr &amp;rarr; Lat:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! from
| ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я 
|-
! to
| g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja
|}


{{FNBox|Note:
{{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &amp;rarr; Lj and Њ &amp;rarr; Nj will do.}}
}}

=== Alphabetical order ===
Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't):

'''Latin:'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;big&gt;'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż&lt;/big&gt;

'''Cyrillic:'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;big&gt;'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я&lt;/big&gt;

=== Dates ===
* The standard format for dates is: &lt;code&gt;dd.mm.yyyy&lt;/code&gt;
* In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc.

=== Numbers ===
When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs:
* 1: nominative singular (1 dom)
* 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy)
* 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov)
* all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom)
* all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy)
* all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov)

=== Namespaces ===
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Namespace || colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Talk
|-
! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic
|-
| (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda
|-
| User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika
|-
| Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije
|-
| File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla
|-
| MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki
|-
| Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona
|-
| Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči
|-
| Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije
|-
| Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala
|-
| Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula
|-
| Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta
|}

I hope I haven't forgotten anything!

=== The code ISV ===
* In interwiki links, the language should appear as: &lt;code&gt;Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы&lt;/code&gt;
* The English name of the language is &quot;Interslavic&quot;.
* There still appear to be issues with the language code &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;. In Babel boxes, for example, &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt; work, but &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; does not.
* I guess using &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; shoud have a fallback sequence to &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt;, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested.

=== Transliteration once more ===
''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though.

That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

:Finally! That is some great news. 
:All the points touched here make sense to me. 
:I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or  Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hi Jan,
:Many thanks for this communication.
:My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.&lt;br /&gt;Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text
:&lt;pre&gt;{{-|text not to be transliterated}}&lt;/pre&gt;
:all it does only adding HTML tag
:&lt;pre&gt;&amp;lt;span class=&quot;ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;&amp;gt;text not to be transliterated&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used &quot;manually&quot; when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now.
:I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example
:&lt;pre&gt;{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}&lt;/pre&gt;
:where:&lt;br/&gt; 
:''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)&lt;br/&gt;
:''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)&lt;br/&gt;
:''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin&lt;br/&gt;
:''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used).
:This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting.
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ |Examples
|-
! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1&lt;/nowiki&gt; || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) 
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua&lt;/nowiki&gt; || cyr || Жан-Франсуа
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1&lt;/nowiki&gt; || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua)
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|lat
|Jean-François
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|cyr
|Жан-Франсуа
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|lat
|Györ (Ďjor)
|}
:Would this proposal be of interest?
:It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current &lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|...}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt; template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice:

&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;

If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary.

One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter:

&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;

Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like &quot;{{-|Microsoft}}&quot;. Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

=== Script ===
{{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}}

:So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script.
:My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text.
:&lt;pre&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv-Latn&quot;&gt;Jean-François&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:&lt;pre&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv-Cyrl&quot;&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:&lt;pre&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv&quot;&gt;Žan-Fransua&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.&lt;br/&gt;
:Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9).

:&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;javascript&quot; line=&quot;1&quot; start=&quot;9&quot;&gt;
/** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI
/** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
:@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: 
:::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js
:::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works.
:::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: 
::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&amp;markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000
::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet).
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ Kako koristati
|-
! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}}
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|macOS Sierra}}&lt;/pre&gt;|| &lt;pre&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/pre&gt;
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Jean-François&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/pre&gt;
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Джо Байден&lt;/pre&gt;
|}
:::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi All,
::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
::::&lt;s&gt;Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.&lt;/s&gt; &lt;s&gt;Next point to address.&lt;/s&gt; Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

=== Approval ===
{{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}}

Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-98653-7|&amp;#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10102-52|&amp;#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? 
:::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10115-37|&amp;#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur.
::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10259-25|&amp;#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous &quot;editor&quot;, buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told.
::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic.
::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it.
::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label &quot;constructed language&quot;, but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10286-28|&amp;#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|&amp;#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|&amp;#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
::Good news. A thread &quot;Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia&quot; has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-17126-63|&amp;#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread &quot;Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia,&quot; but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18779-70|&amp;#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18633-18|&amp;#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18861-96|&amp;#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18833-94|&amp;#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-31741-38|&amp;#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

== Wiktionary ==
''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)''

When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. 
::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult.
::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary  that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary.
::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so:
::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution).
::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/)
::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. 
:::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::The slovnik fork is available here 
:::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/
:::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. 
:::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. 
:::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). 
:I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community.
:Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]]
:::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. 
:::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission?
:::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]]
:::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. 
:::So far my plan is the followinɡː 
:::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|&amp;#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое)
:::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|&amp;#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

== Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati  ==

slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati &quot;sravnivati&quot;, ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu

&quot;sravnjati&quot; za mene imaje smysl &quot;uravnjati&quot;, &quot;sdělati jednakovym&quot;, na angl. ''to level''

čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Nu znaješ, &quot;sravnjati&quot; prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola &quot;sravniti&quot;. V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati &gt; -yvati'', a ''-iti &gt; -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati &gt; -avati'' iili ''-iti &gt; -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu  regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) 
::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku &quot;to be comparing&quot; inym slovom.
::Russky	срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять
::Bělorussky	параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць
::Ukrajinsky	порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати
::Poljsky	porów'''ny'''wać
::Češsky	srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat
::Slovačsky	porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať
::Hrvatsky	srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati
::Srbsky	срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати
::Makedonsky	сравнува, споредува
::Bulgarsky	срав'''ня'''вам
::&quot;Sravnjati s zemjeju&quot; — &quot;Compare with Earth?&quot; or &quot;Level it to the ground&quot;?  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Moje prědloženje&quot;:
:::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov.
:::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining)
:::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

== Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju ==

&lt;nowiki&gt;https://medzuslovjansky.onl/&lt;/nowiki&gt;

jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju

može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka

stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov

prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji


[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. 
:::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku &quot;Najdolžejše članky&quot;? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah.
:::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre.
:::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. 
:::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo)
:::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov &gt;10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici:
::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). 
::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis
::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki)
::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki
::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky
::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah
::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. 
::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

== Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju ==

Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. 

Može byti, my takože budemo dodati?

https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

:Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

== Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano ==

Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.&lt;br/&gt;Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: &lt;br/&gt;Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).&lt;br/&gt;

{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ Kako koristati
|-
! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}}
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|macOS Sierra}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;|| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Джо Байден&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;V Providence’u&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;В Провиденсу&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|}
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;s&gt;Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.&lt;/s&gt; Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Tut byl variant
::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod:
::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &amp;rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &amp;rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
:Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

== Originalne &lt;s&gt;imena ljudij&lt;/s&gt; i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov ==

&lt;s&gt;Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?&lt;/s&gt;

&lt;s&gt;Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..&lt;/s&gt;

P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati.

Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije.

Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte.

S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

:Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

== Approval! ==

Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-35104-48|&amp;#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

:approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-36378-17|&amp;#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
: Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Administratorstvo ==

Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti!

Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (&lt;nowiki&gt;~~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt;). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

# {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) 
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

=== Drugi admini ===
{{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
:Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
:::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo &quot;odgovoriti&quot;, to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)

@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo.  – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

=== Drugi admini - glasovanje ===
Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

==== Vipz ====
@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# ...

==== Marcoorio ====
@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
# ...

==== LiMr ====
@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)

#{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
#:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST)


@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)&lt;br /&gt;A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Super. @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], s uspěhom! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:34, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici ==

Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje &quot;Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju&quot; ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku &quot;Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija&quot; jest privedena taka informacija: &quot;Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju&quot;, ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST).

Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami &quot;Članok napisany kiriliceju&quot; / &quot;Članok napisany latiniceju&quot;, tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Razděljenje Krčmy ==

Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili 
Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

: Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti &quot;{{-|village pump}}&quot;, selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu &quot;Portal občiny&quot;, čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno.
::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva.
::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Vikidane ==
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Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{INTERWIKI}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
:The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Trěba udaliti tuty redok &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;templatestyles src=&quot;MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css&quot; /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti &quot;administrator interfejsa&quot;, da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo &quot;Medžuslovjansky&quot;? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako &quot;Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы&quot;. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-39765-34|&amp;#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. 
:1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore &quot;male&quot; članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad &quot;Otava Jo&quot;, kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse &quot;velike&quot; vikidane, kako, napriklad, &quot;Solnce&quot; ili &quot;Napoleon Bonapart&quot; stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 &quot;obvěznyh&quot; člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa?
:2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: &lt;blockquote&gt;Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.&lt;/blockquote&gt; To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti?
:Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::K nomeru 1: Něktore prědmety vo Vikidanyh sut tako zvano polzamknute, čto znači, že prověrjeni koristniki mogut praviti tuty prědmety. Kak ne jeste prověrjeny koristnik, vy ne možete praviti polzamknute prědmety.
::K nomeru 2: Ja ne imaju kakekoli informacije o aktivitetah tutogo koristnika, nu kak to ne jest ješče aktivno, ono to bude pravdopodobno aktivno uže rano. Kak vy hočete, možete mu napisati na jego koristničsku besědu, pravdopodobno na anglijskom, kak tuten koristnik pravdopodobno ne bude uměti medžuslovjansky jezyk, začto on piše na anglijskom. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:57, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Tuty koristnik jest Meta-admin vsego inkubatora vseh viki, docěla mogutna figura 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:44, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Nu, on pravdopodobno imaje mnogo obvezkov, ktoryh on musi rabiti. Dajmo mu dostatok časa. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] imaje pravdu. Vikidane uže sut vključene za medžuslovjansky, ale někoje prědmety o popularnyh ili kontroversijnyh temah mogut byti zaščičene. Ja prěd hviljeju jesm sdělal link na [[Solnce]] i to šlo bez problemov. A čto se tyče gosp. Søby, on napisal, že vključi někaky avtomatičny skript za avtomatično prěneseneje danyh iz šablona INTERWIKI na Vikidane, ale on togo ješče ne sdělal. Ale ja imaju izkušenje, že on dolgo ne odgovarjaje na pytanja i kontakt s njim je trudny. Uviděl jesm, že od konca junija jegova aktivnost byla rědka. Takto teoretično my možemo vse dělati ručno (togda trěba najprvo prějdti na stranicu na někojem drugom jezyku, i odtuda prějdti do Vikidanyh), ale ja myslju, že to jest bezsmyslno raztračenje časa, ibo raněje ili pozdněje to imaje byti sdělano tym skriptom. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:54, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Hvala Jane, Solnce je priključeno. Myslim, instrukcija avtoram bude:
::::# Na avtomatično priključenje staryh člankov budemo čekati, ono někogda bude, ne trěba priključati jih ručno
::::# Prodolžajemo koristati šablon INTERWIKI
::::# Nove članky jest možno prisjedinjati ručno. Ako li prědmet jest hranjeny, trěba prositi to sdělati naših adminov
::::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 11:04, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Točno tako! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:23, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja to mogu sdělati. Uže jesm sdělal několiko ([[Special:Contributions/Vipz]]), nu idealno by bylo usposobiti ili vlastnogo bota ([[:sh:Korisnik:Vipz-bot]]) na tutom projektu, ili dostati pseudo-bot horugvu. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 17:27, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Na koristanje botov v vikidanyh trěba iměti dozvoljenje adminov, inače možeš dostati važny ban [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 18:42, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Translations ==

Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Maybe the &quot;Special&quot; namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Kako jest slovo &quot;pěskovišče&quot; kategorizovano? ==

Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo &quot;pěskovišče&quot; roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo &quot;šablon&quot; jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Tako jest slovo &quot;město&quot; roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Patrulovanje ==

Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. &lt;s&gt;Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo.  Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. &lt;/s&gt;[[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

:::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako &quot;možny vandalizm&quot;, &quot;izpraždnjenje stranice&quot; i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija.  [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::::my imajemo šablon &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} &lt;/nowiki&gt;, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Prěključ &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; ==

Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;, Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili &quot;Latinica/Кирилица&quot; kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
::ja imaju nadpis v menju &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;, i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;. No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element &lt;code&gt;p-variants-label&lt;/code&gt; v Vector (2022).  &lt;span style=&quot;text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block&quot;&gt;--[[User:MwGamera|Mw&lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:petite-caps&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;amera]]&lt;/span&gt; ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-39602-39|&amp;#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by &quot;prilěpiti&quot; kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Pěskovišče dlja modulov ==

Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Pozdrav, @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]], kako mene poučil viki-programist, ktory pomagal s translit-skriptom, do svojego ličnogo prostora možno sdělati vsečto, ne jedino LUA-module, ale i Javascript-gadget, to bude rabotati jedino za tebe. Myslim, to dělae se tako: https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul ili https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/My_Gadget.js [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:01, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Link pri testah ale musi byti polny, kako ''{{#invoke:Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul|parametr1|...'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:11, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nu, ja to možu obtestovati. Ja jesm už započel [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly|něčto stvarjati]], nu ja možu tutu sistemu nadrabiti. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:30, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nu, ja jesm to obtestoval, i ja vidimo, že ono to možlivo ne funkcionuje. Tuto jest hyba, ktoru mi zvanje modula piše:
:::&lt;code&gt;Script error: No such module &quot;[[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 1]]&quot;.&lt;/code&gt;
:::Kak se možete pozrěti, stranica ne izobražaje izvorny kod modula kako izvorny kod v programističnogom jezyku Lua, ili kako prostu stranicu. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 14:21, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Izvini, moja grěška, musi byti:
::::https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče_1, i takože pri koristanju
::::{{#invoke:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče_1|параметр1|... (nadějem se, slovo Modul tut ne jest trěbno) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:28, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Nu, to dava smysl. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 14:38, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

Ja myslju, že to jest kvestija modela sodržanja. V koristiničskom prostoru ono izgledaje inako neželi v prostoru za moduly. Poprobuj něčto v rodu tutogo: [[:Modul:Pěskovišče]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:46, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Ja jesm početkujuči v programističnogom jezyku Lua, ale ja jesm už srazuměl zakladam tutogo jezyka i kako jest tuten jezyk upotrěbjeny v MediaViki softveru. Dalo to trud, ale ono se izplatilo. Ja jesm něčto iztvoril, [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 1|možlivo se pozrěti]]. Tuten modul by iměl byti vami tako rěčeny [[Modul:Pěskovišče]]. Ja hoču ješče iztvoriti dokumentaciju tutogo modula, ale ja ješče ne imaju iztočne stranice zapisok i dokumentacij dlja každogo pěskovišča. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:54, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Divno provodženje šablona ==

Pozdrav. Ja jesm hočel izrabotati šablon dlja tabličky, nu ja ne věm, či ja jesm glupy ili MediaViki jest. Moj šablon se provodi kako jest viděno tu: [https://isv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koristnik:Polda18/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De/%C5%A0ablony/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De_1&amp;oldid=28989] Ja jesm upotrěbil někaku akcentuaciju viki koda, kako samo ja byh mogl izjaviti někaku hybu. Nu, ja jesm nikaku ne viděl. Može někto, prosimo, izjasniti, čto se to děje? Kako by iměl tuten šablon izgledati, jest viděno [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Zaglavje|tu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 13:28, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Ja ješče dodam: šablon se provodi inako v podgledu i inako kako zapisana stranica. Ono to ne jest jedino tu na medžuslovjanskoj Vikipediji, ja jesm testoval jednako provodženje tako na češskoj Vikipediji (ače bez zapisanja). Ono to izpadaje na hybu vo MediaViki softveru ili hybu vo viki kodu šablona. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 13:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)</text>
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== Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici ==

Na Glavnoj stranici tut:

Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу].

Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat?

Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

:@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii
::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | &quot;Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija&quot; | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]]
::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC)

== Prědustavjeno pismo ==

Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt;, and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt; na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: 
* Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like &quot;Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал.&quot; The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. 
* [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains.
* [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian.
* The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them.
* [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript.
* [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that.
* [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages.
* [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works.
* Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable.

I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages:
# It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]]
# However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. 
# Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet.
# A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page.

So here's my own preferred solution, if possible:
# It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names.
# Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order).
# I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible?
# It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have.

There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]&lt;/code&gt; while recognizing &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]&lt;/code&gt;. In other words, we ought to support &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt;, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by &quot;fallback option&quot;, but if it means that &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; is interpreted as &quot;&lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; unless specified otherwise&quot;, I'd be perfectly fine with that.&lt;br /&gt;Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.&lt;br /&gt;For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that &lt;code&gt;'ų' =&gt; 'у'&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;'у' =&gt; 'u'&lt;/code&gt;, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
:I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. &lt;span style=&quot;text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block&quot;&gt;--[[User:MwGamera|Mw&lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:petite-caps&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;amera]]&lt;/span&gt; ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST)

== Транслитерација со Јапонского ==

Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на &quot;Kacušika Hokusaj&quot; або на &quot;Kacušika Hokusai&quot;? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

:Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na &quot;''si''&quot;, &quot;''dzju''&quot;, &quot;''dzjo''&quot; vměsto &quot;''ši''&quot;, &quot;''džu''&quot;, &quot;''džo''&quot; (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky):

{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv
|-
| サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са
|-
| シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши
|-
| シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша
|-
| タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та
|-
| チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи
|-
| ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу
|-
| チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча
|-
| ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња
|-
| ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва
|-
| ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за
|-
| ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи
|-
| ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа
|-
| ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да
|-
| ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи
|-
| ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу
|-
| ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа
|-
! colspan=&quot;7&quot; | razširjena katakana
|-
| ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су
|-
| スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си
|-
| テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те
|-
| ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти
|}

{{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

: Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

== Remaining issues ==

Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please!

=== Transliteration ===
First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write &quot;Džorž Buš&quot; instead of &quot;George Bush&quot; in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like &quot;Георге Бусх&quot;.

At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions:

'''bidirectional:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
| a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü
|-
| а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ
|}

'''unidirectional Lat &amp;rarr; Cyr:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! from
| á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż
|-
! to 
| а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж
|}

'''unidirectional Cyr &amp;rarr; Lat:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! from
| ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я 
|-
! to
| g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja
|}


{{FNBox|Note:
{{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &amp;rarr; Lj and Њ &amp;rarr; Nj will do.}}
}}

=== Alphabetical order ===
Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't):

'''Latin:'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;big&gt;'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż&lt;/big&gt;

'''Cyrillic:'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;big&gt;'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я&lt;/big&gt;

=== Dates ===
* The standard format for dates is: &lt;code&gt;dd.mm.yyyy&lt;/code&gt;
* In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc.

=== Numbers ===
When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs:
* 1: nominative singular (1 dom)
* 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy)
* 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov)
* all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom)
* all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy)
* all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov)

=== Namespaces ===
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Namespace || colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Talk
|-
! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic
|-
| (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda
|-
| User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika
|-
| Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije
|-
| File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla
|-
| MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki
|-
| Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona
|-
| Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči
|-
| Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije
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| Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala
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| Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula
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| Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta
|}

I hope I haven't forgotten anything!

=== The code ISV ===
* In interwiki links, the language should appear as: &lt;code&gt;Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы&lt;/code&gt;
* The English name of the language is &quot;Interslavic&quot;.
* There still appear to be issues with the language code &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;. In Babel boxes, for example, &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt; work, but &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; does not.
* I guess using &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; shoud have a fallback sequence to &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt;, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested.

=== Transliteration once more ===
''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though.

That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

:Finally! That is some great news. 
:All the points touched here make sense to me. 
:I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or  Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hi Jan,
:Many thanks for this communication.
:My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.&lt;br /&gt;Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text
:&lt;pre&gt;{{-|text not to be transliterated}}&lt;/pre&gt;
:all it does only adding HTML tag
:&lt;pre&gt;&amp;lt;span class=&quot;ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;&amp;gt;text not to be transliterated&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used &quot;manually&quot; when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now.
:I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example
:&lt;pre&gt;{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}&lt;/pre&gt;
:where:&lt;br/&gt; 
:''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)&lt;br/&gt;
:''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)&lt;br/&gt;
:''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin&lt;br/&gt;
:''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used).
:This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting.
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ |Examples
|-
! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1&lt;/nowiki&gt; || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) 
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua&lt;/nowiki&gt; || cyr || Жан-Франсуа
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1&lt;/nowiki&gt; || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua)
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|lat
|Jean-François
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|cyr
|Жан-Франсуа
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|lat
|Györ (Ďjor)
|}
:Would this proposal be of interest?
:It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current &lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|...}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt; template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice:

&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;

If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary.

One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter:

&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;

Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like &quot;{{-|Microsoft}}&quot;. Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

=== Script ===
{{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}}

:So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script.
:My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text.
:&lt;pre&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv-Latn&quot;&gt;Jean-François&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:&lt;pre&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv-Cyrl&quot;&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:&lt;pre&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv&quot;&gt;Žan-Fransua&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.&lt;br/&gt;
:Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9).

:&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;javascript&quot; line=&quot;1&quot; start=&quot;9&quot;&gt;
/** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI
/** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
:@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: 
:::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js
:::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works.
:::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: 
::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&amp;markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000
::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet).
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ Kako koristati
|-
! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}}
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|macOS Sierra}}&lt;/pre&gt;|| &lt;pre&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/pre&gt;
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Jean-François&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/pre&gt;
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Джо Байден&lt;/pre&gt;
|}
:::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi All,
::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
::::&lt;s&gt;Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.&lt;/s&gt; &lt;s&gt;Next point to address.&lt;/s&gt; Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

=== Approval ===
{{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}}

Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-98653-7|&amp;#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10102-52|&amp;#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? 
:::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10115-37|&amp;#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur.
::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10259-25|&amp;#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous &quot;editor&quot;, buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told.
::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic.
::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it.
::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label &quot;constructed language&quot;, but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10286-28|&amp;#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|&amp;#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|&amp;#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
::Good news. A thread &quot;Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia&quot; has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-17126-63|&amp;#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread &quot;Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia,&quot; but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18779-70|&amp;#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18633-18|&amp;#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18861-96|&amp;#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18833-94|&amp;#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-31741-38|&amp;#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

== Wiktionary ==
''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)''

When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. 
::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult.
::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary  that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary.
::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so:
::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution).
::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/)
::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. 
:::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::The slovnik fork is available here 
:::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/
:::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. 
:::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. 
:::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). 
:I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community.
:Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]]
:::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. 
:::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission?
:::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]]
:::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. 
:::So far my plan is the followinɡː 
:::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|&amp;#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое)
:::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|&amp;#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

== Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati  ==

slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati &quot;sravnivati&quot;, ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu

&quot;sravnjati&quot; za mene imaje smysl &quot;uravnjati&quot;, &quot;sdělati jednakovym&quot;, na angl. ''to level''

čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Nu znaješ, &quot;sravnjati&quot; prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola &quot;sravniti&quot;. V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati &gt; -yvati'', a ''-iti &gt; -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati &gt; -avati'' iili ''-iti &gt; -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu  regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) 
::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku &quot;to be comparing&quot; inym slovom.
::Russky	срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять
::Bělorussky	параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць
::Ukrajinsky	порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати
::Poljsky	porów'''ny'''wać
::Češsky	srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat
::Slovačsky	porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať
::Hrvatsky	srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati
::Srbsky	срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати
::Makedonsky	сравнува, споредува
::Bulgarsky	срав'''ня'''вам
::&quot;Sravnjati s zemjeju&quot; — &quot;Compare with Earth?&quot; or &quot;Level it to the ground&quot;?  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Moje prědloženje&quot;:
:::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov.
:::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining)
:::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

== Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju ==

&lt;nowiki&gt;https://medzuslovjansky.onl/&lt;/nowiki&gt;

jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju

može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka

stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov

prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji


[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. 
:::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku &quot;Najdolžejše članky&quot;? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah.
:::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre.
:::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. 
:::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo)
:::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov &gt;10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici:
::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). 
::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis
::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki)
::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki
::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky
::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah
::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. 
::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

== Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju ==

Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. 

Može byti, my takože budemo dodati?

https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

:Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

== Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano ==

Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.&lt;br/&gt;Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: &lt;br/&gt;Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).&lt;br/&gt;

{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ Kako koristati
|-
! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}}
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|macOS Sierra}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;|| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Джо Байден&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;V Providence’u&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;В Провиденсу&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|}
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;s&gt;Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.&lt;/s&gt; Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Tut byl variant
::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod:
::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &amp;rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &amp;rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
:Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

== Originalne &lt;s&gt;imena ljudij&lt;/s&gt; i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov ==

&lt;s&gt;Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?&lt;/s&gt;

&lt;s&gt;Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..&lt;/s&gt;

P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati.

Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije.

Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte.

S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

:Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

== Approval! ==

Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-35104-48|&amp;#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

:approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-36378-17|&amp;#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
: Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Administratorstvo ==

Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti!

Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (&lt;nowiki&gt;~~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt;). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

# {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) 
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

=== Drugi admini ===
{{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
:Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
:::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo &quot;odgovoriti&quot;, to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)

@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo.  – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

=== Drugi admini - glasovanje ===
Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

==== Vipz ====
@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# ...

==== Marcoorio ====
@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
# ...

==== LiMr ====
@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)

#{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
#:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST)


@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)&lt;br /&gt;A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Super. @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], s uspěhom! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:34, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici ==

Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje &quot;Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju&quot; ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku &quot;Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija&quot; jest privedena taka informacija: &quot;Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju&quot;, ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST).

Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami &quot;Članok napisany kiriliceju&quot; / &quot;Članok napisany latiniceju&quot;, tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Razděljenje Krčmy ==

Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili 
Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

: Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti &quot;{{-|village pump}}&quot;, selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu &quot;Portal občiny&quot;, čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno.
::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva.
::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Vikidane ==
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Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{INTERWIKI}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
:The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Trěba udaliti tuty redok &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;templatestyles src=&quot;MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css&quot; /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti &quot;administrator interfejsa&quot;, da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo &quot;Medžuslovjansky&quot;? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako &quot;Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы&quot;. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-39765-34|&amp;#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. 
:1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore &quot;male&quot; članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad &quot;Otava Jo&quot;, kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse &quot;velike&quot; vikidane, kako, napriklad, &quot;Solnce&quot; ili &quot;Napoleon Bonapart&quot; stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 &quot;obvěznyh&quot; člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa?
:2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: &lt;blockquote&gt;Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.&lt;/blockquote&gt; To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti?
:Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::K nomeru 1: Něktore prědmety vo Vikidanyh sut tako zvano polzamknute, čto znači, že prověrjeni koristniki mogut praviti tuty prědmety. Kak ne jeste prověrjeny koristnik, vy ne možete praviti polzamknute prědmety.
::K nomeru 2: Ja ne imaju kakekoli informacije o aktivitetah tutogo koristnika, nu kak to ne jest ješče aktivno, ono to bude pravdopodobno aktivno uže rano. Kak vy hočete, možete mu napisati na jego koristničsku besědu, pravdopodobno na anglijskom, kak tuten koristnik pravdopodobno ne bude uměti medžuslovjansky jezyk, začto on piše na anglijskom. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:57, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Tuty koristnik jest Meta-admin vsego inkubatora vseh viki, docěla mogutna figura 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:44, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Nu, on pravdopodobno imaje mnogo obvezkov, ktoryh on musi rabiti. Dajmo mu dostatok časa. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] imaje pravdu. Vikidane uže sut vključene za medžuslovjansky, ale někoje prědmety o popularnyh ili kontroversijnyh temah mogut byti zaščičene. Ja prěd hviljeju jesm sdělal link na [[Solnce]] i to šlo bez problemov. A čto se tyče gosp. Søby, on napisal, že vključi někaky avtomatičny skript za avtomatično prěneseneje danyh iz šablona INTERWIKI na Vikidane, ale on togo ješče ne sdělal. Ale ja imaju izkušenje, že on dolgo ne odgovarjaje na pytanja i kontakt s njim je trudny. Uviděl jesm, že od konca junija jegova aktivnost byla rědka. Takto teoretično my možemo vse dělati ručno (togda trěba najprvo prějdti na stranicu na někojem drugom jezyku, i odtuda prějdti do Vikidanyh), ale ja myslju, že to jest bezsmyslno raztračenje časa, ibo raněje ili pozdněje to imaje byti sdělano tym skriptom. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:54, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Hvala Jane, Solnce je priključeno. Myslim, instrukcija avtoram bude:
::::# Na avtomatično priključenje staryh člankov budemo čekati, ono někogda bude, ne trěba priključati jih ručno
::::# Prodolžajemo koristati šablon INTERWIKI
::::# Nove članky jest možno prisjedinjati ručno. Ako li prědmet jest hranjeny, trěba prositi to sdělati naših adminov
::::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 11:04, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Točno tako! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:23, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja to mogu sdělati. Uže jesm sdělal několiko ([[Special:Contributions/Vipz]]), nu idealno by bylo usposobiti ili vlastnogo bota ([[:sh:Korisnik:Vipz-bot]]) na tutom projektu, ili dostati pseudo-bot horugvu. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 17:27, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Na koristanje botov v vikidanyh trěba iměti dozvoljenje adminov, inače možeš dostati važny ban [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 18:42, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Translations ==

Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Maybe the &quot;Special&quot; namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Kako jest slovo &quot;pěskovišče&quot; kategorizovano? ==

Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo &quot;pěskovišče&quot; roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo &quot;šablon&quot; jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Tako jest slovo &quot;město&quot; roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Patrulovanje ==

Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. &lt;s&gt;Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo.  Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. &lt;/s&gt;[[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

:::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako &quot;možny vandalizm&quot;, &quot;izpraždnjenje stranice&quot; i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija.  [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::::my imajemo šablon &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} &lt;/nowiki&gt;, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Prěključ &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; ==

Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;, Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili &quot;Latinica/Кирилица&quot; kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
::ja imaju nadpis v menju &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;, i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;. No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element &lt;code&gt;p-variants-label&lt;/code&gt; v Vector (2022).  &lt;span style=&quot;text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block&quot;&gt;--[[User:MwGamera|Mw&lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:petite-caps&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;amera]]&lt;/span&gt; ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-39602-39|&amp;#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by &quot;prilěpiti&quot; kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Pěskovišče dlja modulov ==

Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Pozdrav, @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]], kako mene poučil viki-programist, ktory pomagal s translit-skriptom, do svojego ličnogo prostora možno sdělati vsečto, ne jedino LUA-module, ale i Javascript-gadget, to bude rabotati jedino za tebe. Myslim, to dělae se tako: https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul ili https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/My_Gadget.js [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:01, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Link pri testah ale musi byti polny, kako ''{{#invoke:Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul|parametr1|...'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:11, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nu, ja to možu obtestovati. Ja jesm už započel [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly|něčto stvarjati]], nu ja možu tutu sistemu nadrabiti. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:30, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nu, ja jesm to obtestoval, i ja vidimo, že ono to možlivo ne funkcionuje. Tuto jest hyba, ktoru mi zvanje modula piše:
:::&lt;code&gt;Script error: No such module &quot;[[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 1]]&quot;.&lt;/code&gt;
:::Kak se možete pozrěti, stranica ne izobražaje izvorny kod modula kako izvorny kod v programističnogom jezyku Lua, ili kako prostu stranicu. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 14:21, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Izvini, moja grěška, musi byti:
::::https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče_1, i takože pri koristanju
::::{{#invoke:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče_1|параметр1|... (nadějem se, slovo Modul tut ne jest trěbno) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:28, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Nu, to dava smysl. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 14:38, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Stranica [[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 1]] može byti odstranjena. Jediny link, ktory vede na tutu stranicu, jest Krčma. Na ščestje ja ne imaju věče takovyh stranic. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:46, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

Ja myslju, že to jest kvestija modela sodržanja. V koristiničskom prostoru ono izgledaje inako neželi v prostoru za moduly. Poprobuj něčto v rodu tutogo: [[:Modul:Pěskovišče]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:46, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Ja jesm početkujuči v programističnogom jezyku Lua, ale ja jesm už srazuměl zakladam tutogo jezyka i kako jest tuten jezyk upotrěbjeny v MediaViki softveru. Dalo to trud, ale ono se izplatilo. Ja jesm něčto iztvoril, [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 1|možlivo se pozrěti]]. Tuten modul by iměl byti vami tako rěčeny [[Modul:Pěskovišče]]. Ja hoču ješče iztvoriti dokumentaciju tutogo modula, ale ja ješče ne imaju iztočne stranice zapisok i dokumentacij dlja každogo pěskovišča. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:54, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Divno provodženje šablona ==

Pozdrav. Ja jesm hočel izrabotati šablon dlja tabličky, nu ja ne věm, či ja jesm glupy ili MediaViki jest. Moj šablon se provodi kako jest viděno tu: [https://isv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koristnik:Polda18/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De/%C5%A0ablony/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De_1&amp;oldid=28989] Ja jesm upotrěbil někaku akcentuaciju viki koda, kako samo ja byh mogl izjaviti někaku hybu. Nu, ja jesm nikaku ne viděl. Može někto, prosimo, izjasniti, čto se to děje? Kako by iměl tuten šablon izgledati, jest viděno [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Zaglavje|tu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 13:28, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Ja ješče dodam: šablon se provodi inako v podgledu i inako kako zapisana stranica. Ono to ne jest jedino tu na medžuslovjanskoj Vikipediji, ja jesm testoval jednako provodženje tako na češskoj Vikipediji (ače bez zapisanja). Ono to izpadaje na hybu vo MediaViki softveru ili hybu vo viki kodu šablona. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 13:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)</text>
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== Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici ==

Na Glavnoj stranici tut:

Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу].

Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat?

Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

:@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii
::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | &quot;Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija&quot; | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]]
::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC)

== Prědustavjeno pismo ==

Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt;, and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt; na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: 
* Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like &quot;Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал.&quot; The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. 
* [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains.
* [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian.
* The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them.
* [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript.
* [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that.
* [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages.
* [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works.
* Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable.

I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages:
# It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]]
# However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. 
# Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet.
# A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page.

So here's my own preferred solution, if possible:
# It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names.
# Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order).
# I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible?
# It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have.

There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]&lt;/code&gt; while recognizing &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]&lt;/code&gt;. In other words, we ought to support &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt;, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by &quot;fallback option&quot;, but if it means that &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; is interpreted as &quot;&lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; unless specified otherwise&quot;, I'd be perfectly fine with that.&lt;br /&gt;Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.&lt;br /&gt;For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that &lt;code&gt;'ų' =&gt; 'у'&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;'у' =&gt; 'u'&lt;/code&gt;, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
:I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. &lt;span style=&quot;text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block&quot;&gt;--[[User:MwGamera|Mw&lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:petite-caps&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;amera]]&lt;/span&gt; ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST)

== Транслитерација со Јапонского ==

Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на &quot;Kacušika Hokusaj&quot; або на &quot;Kacušika Hokusai&quot;? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

:Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na &quot;''si''&quot;, &quot;''dzju''&quot;, &quot;''dzjo''&quot; vměsto &quot;''ši''&quot;, &quot;''džu''&quot;, &quot;''džo''&quot; (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky):

{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv
|-
| サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са
|-
| シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши
|-
| シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша
|-
| タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та
|-
| チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи
|-
| ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу
|-
| チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча
|-
| ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња
|-
| ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва
|-
| ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за
|-
| ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи
|-
| ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа
|-
| ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да
|-
| ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи
|-
| ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу
|-
| ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа
|-
! colspan=&quot;7&quot; | razširjena katakana
|-
| ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су
|-
| スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си
|-
| テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те
|-
| ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти
|}

{{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

: Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

== Remaining issues ==

Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please!

=== Transliteration ===
First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write &quot;Džorž Buš&quot; instead of &quot;George Bush&quot; in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like &quot;Георге Бусх&quot;.

At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions:

'''bidirectional:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
| a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü
|-
| а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ
|}

'''unidirectional Lat &amp;rarr; Cyr:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! from
| á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż
|-
! to 
| а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж
|}

'''unidirectional Cyr &amp;rarr; Lat:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! from
| ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я 
|-
! to
| g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja
|}


{{FNBox|Note:
{{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &amp;rarr; Lj and Њ &amp;rarr; Nj will do.}}
}}

=== Alphabetical order ===
Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't):

'''Latin:'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;big&gt;'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż&lt;/big&gt;

'''Cyrillic:'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;big&gt;'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я&lt;/big&gt;

=== Dates ===
* The standard format for dates is: &lt;code&gt;dd.mm.yyyy&lt;/code&gt;
* In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc.

=== Numbers ===
When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs:
* 1: nominative singular (1 dom)
* 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy)
* 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov)
* all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom)
* all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy)
* all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov)

=== Namespaces ===
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Namespace || colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Talk
|-
! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic
|-
| (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda
|-
| User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika
|-
| Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije
|-
| File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla
|-
| MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki
|-
| Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona
|-
| Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči
|-
| Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije
|-
| Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala
|-
| Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula
|-
| Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta
|}

I hope I haven't forgotten anything!

=== The code ISV ===
* In interwiki links, the language should appear as: &lt;code&gt;Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы&lt;/code&gt;
* The English name of the language is &quot;Interslavic&quot;.
* There still appear to be issues with the language code &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;. In Babel boxes, for example, &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt; work, but &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; does not.
* I guess using &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; shoud have a fallback sequence to &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt;, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested.

=== Transliteration once more ===
''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though.

That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

:Finally! That is some great news. 
:All the points touched here make sense to me. 
:I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or  Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hi Jan,
:Many thanks for this communication.
:My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.&lt;br /&gt;Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text
:&lt;pre&gt;{{-|text not to be transliterated}}&lt;/pre&gt;
:all it does only adding HTML tag
:&lt;pre&gt;&amp;lt;span class=&quot;ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;&amp;gt;text not to be transliterated&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used &quot;manually&quot; when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now.
:I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example
:&lt;pre&gt;{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}&lt;/pre&gt;
:where:&lt;br/&gt; 
:''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)&lt;br/&gt;
:''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)&lt;br/&gt;
:''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin&lt;br/&gt;
:''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used).
:This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting.
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ |Examples
|-
! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1&lt;/nowiki&gt; || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) 
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua&lt;/nowiki&gt; || cyr || Жан-Франсуа
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1&lt;/nowiki&gt; || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua)
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|lat
|Jean-François
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|cyr
|Жан-Франсуа
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|lat
|Györ (Ďjor)
|}
:Would this proposal be of interest?
:It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current &lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|...}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt; template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice:

&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;

If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary.

One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter:

&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;

Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like &quot;{{-|Microsoft}}&quot;. Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

=== Script ===
{{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}}

:So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script.
:My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text.
:&lt;pre&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv-Latn&quot;&gt;Jean-François&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:&lt;pre&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv-Cyrl&quot;&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:&lt;pre&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv&quot;&gt;Žan-Fransua&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.&lt;br/&gt;
:Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9).

:&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;javascript&quot; line=&quot;1&quot; start=&quot;9&quot;&gt;
/** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI
/** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
:@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: 
:::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js
:::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works.
:::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: 
::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&amp;markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000
::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet).
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ Kako koristati
|-
! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}}
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|macOS Sierra}}&lt;/pre&gt;|| &lt;pre&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/pre&gt;
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Jean-François&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/pre&gt;
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Джо Байден&lt;/pre&gt;
|}
:::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi All,
::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
::::&lt;s&gt;Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.&lt;/s&gt; &lt;s&gt;Next point to address.&lt;/s&gt; Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

=== Approval ===
{{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}}

Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-98653-7|&amp;#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10102-52|&amp;#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? 
:::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10115-37|&amp;#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur.
::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10259-25|&amp;#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous &quot;editor&quot;, buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told.
::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic.
::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it.
::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label &quot;constructed language&quot;, but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10286-28|&amp;#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|&amp;#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|&amp;#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
::Good news. A thread &quot;Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia&quot; has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-17126-63|&amp;#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread &quot;Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia,&quot; but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18779-70|&amp;#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18633-18|&amp;#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18861-96|&amp;#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18833-94|&amp;#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-31741-38|&amp;#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

== Wiktionary ==
''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)''

When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. 
::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult.
::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary  that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary.
::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so:
::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution).
::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/)
::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. 
:::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::The slovnik fork is available here 
:::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/
:::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. 
:::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. 
:::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). 
:I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community.
:Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]]
:::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. 
:::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission?
:::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]]
:::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. 
:::So far my plan is the followinɡː 
:::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|&amp;#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое)
:::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|&amp;#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

== Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati  ==

slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati &quot;sravnivati&quot;, ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu

&quot;sravnjati&quot; za mene imaje smysl &quot;uravnjati&quot;, &quot;sdělati jednakovym&quot;, na angl. ''to level''

čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Nu znaješ, &quot;sravnjati&quot; prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola &quot;sravniti&quot;. V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati &gt; -yvati'', a ''-iti &gt; -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati &gt; -avati'' iili ''-iti &gt; -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu  regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) 
::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku &quot;to be comparing&quot; inym slovom.
::Russky	срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять
::Bělorussky	параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць
::Ukrajinsky	порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати
::Poljsky	porów'''ny'''wać
::Češsky	srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat
::Slovačsky	porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať
::Hrvatsky	srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati
::Srbsky	срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати
::Makedonsky	сравнува, споредува
::Bulgarsky	срав'''ня'''вам
::&quot;Sravnjati s zemjeju&quot; — &quot;Compare with Earth?&quot; or &quot;Level it to the ground&quot;?  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Moje prědloženje&quot;:
:::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov.
:::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining)
:::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

== Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju ==

&lt;nowiki&gt;https://medzuslovjansky.onl/&lt;/nowiki&gt;

jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju

može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka

stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov

prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji


[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. 
:::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku &quot;Najdolžejše članky&quot;? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah.
:::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre.
:::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. 
:::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo)
:::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov &gt;10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici:
::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). 
::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis
::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki)
::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki
::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky
::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah
::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. 
::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

== Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju ==

Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. 

Može byti, my takože budemo dodati?

https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

:Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

== Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano ==

Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.&lt;br/&gt;Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: &lt;br/&gt;Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).&lt;br/&gt;

{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ Kako koristati
|-
! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}}
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|macOS Sierra}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;|| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Джо Байден&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;V Providence’u&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;В Провиденсу&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|}
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;s&gt;Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.&lt;/s&gt; Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Tut byl variant
::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod:
::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &amp;rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &amp;rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
:Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

== Originalne &lt;s&gt;imena ljudij&lt;/s&gt; i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov ==

&lt;s&gt;Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?&lt;/s&gt;

&lt;s&gt;Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..&lt;/s&gt;

P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati.

Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije.

Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte.

S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

:Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

== Approval! ==

Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-35104-48|&amp;#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

:approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-36378-17|&amp;#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
: Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Administratorstvo ==

Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti!

Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (&lt;nowiki&gt;~~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt;). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

# {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) 
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

=== Drugi admini ===
{{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
:Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
:::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo &quot;odgovoriti&quot;, to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)

@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo.  – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

=== Drugi admini - glasovanje ===
Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

==== Vipz ====
@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
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==== Marcoorio ====
@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
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==== LiMr ====
@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)

#{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
#:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST)


@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)&lt;br /&gt;A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Super. @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], s uspěhom! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:34, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici ==

Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje &quot;Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju&quot; ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku &quot;Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija&quot; jest privedena taka informacija: &quot;Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju&quot;, ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST).

Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami &quot;Članok napisany kiriliceju&quot; / &quot;Članok napisany latiniceju&quot;, tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Razděljenje Krčmy ==

Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili 
Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

: Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti &quot;{{-|village pump}}&quot;, selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu &quot;Portal občiny&quot;, čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno.
::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva.
::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Vikidane ==
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Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{INTERWIKI}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
:The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Trěba udaliti tuty redok &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;templatestyles src=&quot;MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css&quot; /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti &quot;administrator interfejsa&quot;, da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo &quot;Medžuslovjansky&quot;? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako &quot;Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы&quot;. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-39765-34|&amp;#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. 
:1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore &quot;male&quot; članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad &quot;Otava Jo&quot;, kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse &quot;velike&quot; vikidane, kako, napriklad, &quot;Solnce&quot; ili &quot;Napoleon Bonapart&quot; stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 &quot;obvěznyh&quot; člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa?
:2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: &lt;blockquote&gt;Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.&lt;/blockquote&gt; To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti?
:Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::K nomeru 1: Něktore prědmety vo Vikidanyh sut tako zvano polzamknute, čto znači, že prověrjeni koristniki mogut praviti tuty prědmety. Kak ne jeste prověrjeny koristnik, vy ne možete praviti polzamknute prědmety.
::K nomeru 2: Ja ne imaju kakekoli informacije o aktivitetah tutogo koristnika, nu kak to ne jest ješče aktivno, ono to bude pravdopodobno aktivno uže rano. Kak vy hočete, možete mu napisati na jego koristničsku besědu, pravdopodobno na anglijskom, kak tuten koristnik pravdopodobno ne bude uměti medžuslovjansky jezyk, začto on piše na anglijskom. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:57, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Tuty koristnik jest Meta-admin vsego inkubatora vseh viki, docěla mogutna figura 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:44, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Nu, on pravdopodobno imaje mnogo obvezkov, ktoryh on musi rabiti. Dajmo mu dostatok časa. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] imaje pravdu. Vikidane uže sut vključene za medžuslovjansky, ale někoje prědmety o popularnyh ili kontroversijnyh temah mogut byti zaščičene. Ja prěd hviljeju jesm sdělal link na [[Solnce]] i to šlo bez problemov. A čto se tyče gosp. Søby, on napisal, že vključi někaky avtomatičny skript za avtomatično prěneseneje danyh iz šablona INTERWIKI na Vikidane, ale on togo ješče ne sdělal. Ale ja imaju izkušenje, že on dolgo ne odgovarjaje na pytanja i kontakt s njim je trudny. Uviděl jesm, že od konca junija jegova aktivnost byla rědka. Takto teoretično my možemo vse dělati ručno (togda trěba najprvo prějdti na stranicu na někojem drugom jezyku, i odtuda prějdti do Vikidanyh), ale ja myslju, že to jest bezsmyslno raztračenje časa, ibo raněje ili pozdněje to imaje byti sdělano tym skriptom. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:54, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Hvala Jane, Solnce je priključeno. Myslim, instrukcija avtoram bude:
::::# Na avtomatično priključenje staryh člankov budemo čekati, ono někogda bude, ne trěba priključati jih ručno
::::# Prodolžajemo koristati šablon INTERWIKI
::::# Nove članky jest možno prisjedinjati ručno. Ako li prědmet jest hranjeny, trěba prositi to sdělati naših adminov
::::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 11:04, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Točno tako! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:23, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja to mogu sdělati. Uže jesm sdělal několiko ([[Special:Contributions/Vipz]]), nu idealno by bylo usposobiti ili vlastnogo bota ([[:sh:Korisnik:Vipz-bot]]) na tutom projektu, ili dostati pseudo-bot horugvu. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 17:27, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Na koristanje botov v vikidanyh trěba iměti dozvoljenje adminov, inače možeš dostati važny ban [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 18:42, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Mně to jest poznano, tomu ne jesm sdělal prěmnogo izměn. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 04:53, 18 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Translations ==

Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Maybe the &quot;Special&quot; namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Kako jest slovo &quot;pěskovišče&quot; kategorizovano? ==

Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo &quot;pěskovišče&quot; roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo &quot;šablon&quot; jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Tako jest slovo &quot;město&quot; roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Patrulovanje ==

Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. &lt;s&gt;Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo.  Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. &lt;/s&gt;[[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

:::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako &quot;možny vandalizm&quot;, &quot;izpraždnjenje stranice&quot; i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija.  [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::::my imajemo šablon &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} &lt;/nowiki&gt;, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Prěključ &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; ==

Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;, Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili &quot;Latinica/Кирилица&quot; kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
::ja imaju nadpis v menju &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;, i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;. No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element &lt;code&gt;p-variants-label&lt;/code&gt; v Vector (2022).  &lt;span style=&quot;text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block&quot;&gt;--[[User:MwGamera|Mw&lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:petite-caps&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;amera]]&lt;/span&gt; ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-39602-39|&amp;#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by &quot;prilěpiti&quot; kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Pěskovišče dlja modulov ==

Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Pozdrav, @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]], kako mene poučil viki-programist, ktory pomagal s translit-skriptom, do svojego ličnogo prostora možno sdělati vsečto, ne jedino LUA-module, ale i Javascript-gadget, to bude rabotati jedino za tebe. Myslim, to dělae se tako: https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul ili https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/My_Gadget.js [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:01, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Link pri testah ale musi byti polny, kako ''{{#invoke:Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul|parametr1|...'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:11, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nu, ja to možu obtestovati. Ja jesm už započel [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly|něčto stvarjati]], nu ja možu tutu sistemu nadrabiti. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:30, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nu, ja jesm to obtestoval, i ja vidimo, že ono to možlivo ne funkcionuje. Tuto jest hyba, ktoru mi zvanje modula piše:
:::&lt;code&gt;Script error: No such module &quot;[[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 1]]&quot;.&lt;/code&gt;
:::Kak se možete pozrěti, stranica ne izobražaje izvorny kod modula kako izvorny kod v programističnogom jezyku Lua, ili kako prostu stranicu. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 14:21, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Izvini, moja grěška, musi byti:
::::https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče_1, i takože pri koristanju
::::{{#invoke:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče_1|параметр1|... (nadějem se, slovo Modul tut ne jest trěbno) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:28, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Nu, to dava smysl. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 14:38, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Stranica [[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 1]] može byti odstranjena. Jediny link, ktory vede na tutu stranicu, jest Krčma. Na ščestje ja ne imaju věče takovyh stranic. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:46, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

Ja myslju, že to jest kvestija modela sodržanja. V koristiničskom prostoru ono izgledaje inako neželi v prostoru za moduly. Poprobuj něčto v rodu tutogo: [[:Modul:Pěskovišče]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:46, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Ja jesm početkujuči v programističnogom jezyku Lua, ale ja jesm už srazuměl zakladam tutogo jezyka i kako jest tuten jezyk upotrěbjeny v MediaViki softveru. Dalo to trud, ale ono se izplatilo. Ja jesm něčto iztvoril, [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 1|možlivo se pozrěti]]. Tuten modul by iměl byti vami tako rěčeny [[Modul:Pěskovišče]]. Ja hoču ješče iztvoriti dokumentaciju tutogo modula, ale ja ješče ne imaju iztočne stranice zapisok i dokumentacij dlja každogo pěskovišča. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:54, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Divno provodženje šablona ==

Pozdrav. Ja jesm hočel izrabotati šablon dlja tabličky, nu ja ne věm, či ja jesm glupy ili MediaViki jest. Moj šablon se provodi kako jest viděno tu: [https://isv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koristnik:Polda18/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De/%C5%A0ablony/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De_1&amp;oldid=28989] Ja jesm upotrěbil někaku akcentuaciju viki koda, kako samo ja byh mogl izjaviti někaku hybu. Nu, ja jesm nikaku ne viděl. Može někto, prosimo, izjasniti, čto se to děje? Kako by iměl tuten šablon izgledati, jest viděno [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Zaglavje|tu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 13:28, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Ja ješče dodam: šablon se provodi inako v podgledu i inako kako zapisana stranica. Ono to ne jest jedino tu na medžuslovjanskoj Vikipediji, ja jesm testoval jednako provodženje tako na češskoj Vikipediji (ače bez zapisanja). Ono to izpadaje na hybu vo MediaViki softveru ili hybu vo viki kodu šablona. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 13:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)</text>
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&lt;!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---&gt;


== Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici ==

Na Glavnoj stranici tut:

Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу].

Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat?

Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

:@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii
::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | &quot;Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija&quot; | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]]
::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC)

== Prědustavjeno pismo ==

Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt;, and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt; na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: 
* Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like &quot;Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал.&quot; The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. 
* [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains.
* [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian.
* The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them.
* [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript.
* [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that.
* [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages.
* [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works.
* Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable.

I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages:
# It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]]
# However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. 
# Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet.
# A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page.

So here's my own preferred solution, if possible:
# It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names.
# Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order).
# I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible?
# It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have.

There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]&lt;/code&gt; while recognizing &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]&lt;/code&gt;. In other words, we ought to support &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt;, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by &quot;fallback option&quot;, but if it means that &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; is interpreted as &quot;&lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; unless specified otherwise&quot;, I'd be perfectly fine with that.&lt;br /&gt;Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.&lt;br /&gt;For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that &lt;code&gt;'ų' =&gt; 'у'&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;'у' =&gt; 'u'&lt;/code&gt;, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
:I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. &lt;span style=&quot;text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block&quot;&gt;--[[User:MwGamera|Mw&lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:petite-caps&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;amera]]&lt;/span&gt; ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST)

== Транслитерација со Јапонского ==

Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на &quot;Kacušika Hokusaj&quot; або на &quot;Kacušika Hokusai&quot;? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

:Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na &quot;''si''&quot;, &quot;''dzju''&quot;, &quot;''dzjo''&quot; vměsto &quot;''ši''&quot;, &quot;''džu''&quot;, &quot;''džo''&quot; (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky):

{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv
|-
| サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са
|-
| シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши
|-
| シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша
|-
| タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та
|-
| チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи
|-
| ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу
|-
| チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча
|-
| ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња
|-
| ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва
|-
| ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за
|-
| ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи
|-
| ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа
|-
| ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да
|-
| ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи
|-
| ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу
|-
| ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа
|-
! colspan=&quot;7&quot; | razširjena katakana
|-
| ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су
|-
| スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си
|-
| テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те
|-
| ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти
|}

{{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

: Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

== Remaining issues ==

Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please!

=== Transliteration ===
First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write &quot;Džorž Buš&quot; instead of &quot;George Bush&quot; in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like &quot;Георге Бусх&quot;.

At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions:

'''bidirectional:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
| a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü
|-
| а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ
|}

'''unidirectional Lat &amp;rarr; Cyr:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! from
| á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż
|-
! to 
| а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж
|}

'''unidirectional Cyr &amp;rarr; Lat:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! from
| ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я 
|-
! to
| g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja
|}


{{FNBox|Note:
{{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &amp;rarr; Lj and Њ &amp;rarr; Nj will do.}}
}}

=== Alphabetical order ===
Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't):

'''Latin:'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;big&gt;'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż&lt;/big&gt;

'''Cyrillic:'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;big&gt;'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я&lt;/big&gt;

=== Dates ===
* The standard format for dates is: &lt;code&gt;dd.mm.yyyy&lt;/code&gt;
* In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc.

=== Numbers ===
When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs:
* 1: nominative singular (1 dom)
* 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy)
* 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov)
* all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom)
* all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy)
* all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov)

=== Namespaces ===
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Namespace || colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Talk
|-
! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic
|-
| (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda
|-
| User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika
|-
| Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije
|-
| File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla
|-
| MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki
|-
| Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona
|-
| Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči
|-
| Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije
|-
| Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala
|-
| Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula
|-
| Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta
|}

I hope I haven't forgotten anything!

=== The code ISV ===
* In interwiki links, the language should appear as: &lt;code&gt;Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы&lt;/code&gt;
* The English name of the language is &quot;Interslavic&quot;.
* There still appear to be issues with the language code &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;. In Babel boxes, for example, &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt; work, but &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; does not.
* I guess using &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; shoud have a fallback sequence to &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt;, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested.

=== Transliteration once more ===
''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though.

That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

:Finally! That is some great news. 
:All the points touched here make sense to me. 
:I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or  Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hi Jan,
:Many thanks for this communication.
:My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.&lt;br /&gt;Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text
:&lt;pre&gt;{{-|text not to be transliterated}}&lt;/pre&gt;
:all it does only adding HTML tag
:&lt;pre&gt;&amp;lt;span class=&quot;ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;&amp;gt;text not to be transliterated&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used &quot;manually&quot; when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now.
:I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example
:&lt;pre&gt;{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}&lt;/pre&gt;
:where:&lt;br/&gt; 
:''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)&lt;br/&gt;
:''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)&lt;br/&gt;
:''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin&lt;br/&gt;
:''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used).
:This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting.
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ |Examples
|-
! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1&lt;/nowiki&gt; || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) 
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua&lt;/nowiki&gt; || cyr || Жан-Франсуа
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1&lt;/nowiki&gt; || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua)
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|lat
|Jean-François
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|cyr
|Жан-Франсуа
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|lat
|Györ (Ďjor)
|}
:Would this proposal be of interest?
:It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current &lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|...}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt; template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice:

&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;

If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary.

One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter:

&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;

Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like &quot;{{-|Microsoft}}&quot;. Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

=== Script ===
{{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}}

:So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script.
:My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text.
:&lt;pre&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv-Latn&quot;&gt;Jean-François&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:&lt;pre&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv-Cyrl&quot;&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:&lt;pre&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv&quot;&gt;Žan-Fransua&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.&lt;br/&gt;
:Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9).

:&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;javascript&quot; line=&quot;1&quot; start=&quot;9&quot;&gt;
/** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI
/** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
:@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: 
:::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js
:::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works.
:::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: 
::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&amp;markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000
::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet).
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ Kako koristati
|-
! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}}
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|macOS Sierra}}&lt;/pre&gt;|| &lt;pre&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/pre&gt;
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Jean-François&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/pre&gt;
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Джо Байден&lt;/pre&gt;
|}
:::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi All,
::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
::::&lt;s&gt;Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.&lt;/s&gt; &lt;s&gt;Next point to address.&lt;/s&gt; Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

=== Approval ===
{{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}}

Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-98653-7|&amp;#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10102-52|&amp;#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? 
:::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10115-37|&amp;#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur.
::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10259-25|&amp;#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous &quot;editor&quot;, buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told.
::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic.
::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it.
::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label &quot;constructed language&quot;, but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10286-28|&amp;#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|&amp;#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|&amp;#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
::Good news. A thread &quot;Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia&quot; has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-17126-63|&amp;#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread &quot;Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia,&quot; but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18779-70|&amp;#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18633-18|&amp;#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18861-96|&amp;#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18833-94|&amp;#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-31741-38|&amp;#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

== Wiktionary ==
''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)''

When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. 
::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult.
::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary  that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary.
::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so:
::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution).
::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/)
::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. 
:::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::The slovnik fork is available here 
:::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/
:::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. 
:::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. 
:::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). 
:I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community.
:Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]]
:::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. 
:::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission?
:::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]]
:::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. 
:::So far my plan is the followinɡː 
:::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|&amp;#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое)
:::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|&amp;#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

== Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati  ==

slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati &quot;sravnivati&quot;, ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu

&quot;sravnjati&quot; za mene imaje smysl &quot;uravnjati&quot;, &quot;sdělati jednakovym&quot;, na angl. ''to level''

čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Nu znaješ, &quot;sravnjati&quot; prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola &quot;sravniti&quot;. V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati &gt; -yvati'', a ''-iti &gt; -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati &gt; -avati'' iili ''-iti &gt; -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu  regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) 
::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku &quot;to be comparing&quot; inym slovom.
::Russky	срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять
::Bělorussky	параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць
::Ukrajinsky	порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати
::Poljsky	porów'''ny'''wać
::Češsky	srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat
::Slovačsky	porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať
::Hrvatsky	srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati
::Srbsky	срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати
::Makedonsky	сравнува, споредува
::Bulgarsky	срав'''ня'''вам
::&quot;Sravnjati s zemjeju&quot; — &quot;Compare with Earth?&quot; or &quot;Level it to the ground&quot;?  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Moje prědloženje&quot;:
:::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov.
:::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining)
:::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

== Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju ==

&lt;nowiki&gt;https://medzuslovjansky.onl/&lt;/nowiki&gt;

jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju

može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka

stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov

prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji


[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. 
:::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku &quot;Najdolžejše članky&quot;? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah.
:::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre.
:::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. 
:::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo)
:::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov &gt;10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici:
::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). 
::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis
::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki)
::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki
::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky
::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah
::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. 
::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

== Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju ==

Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. 

Može byti, my takože budemo dodati?

https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

:Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

== Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano ==

Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.&lt;br/&gt;Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: &lt;br/&gt;Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).&lt;br/&gt;

{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ Kako koristati
|-
! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}}
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|macOS Sierra}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;|| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Джо Байден&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;V Providence’u&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;В Провиденсу&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|}
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;s&gt;Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.&lt;/s&gt; Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Tut byl variant
::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod:
::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &amp;rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &amp;rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
:Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

== Originalne &lt;s&gt;imena ljudij&lt;/s&gt; i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov ==

&lt;s&gt;Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?&lt;/s&gt;

&lt;s&gt;Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..&lt;/s&gt;

P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati.

Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije.

Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte.

S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

:Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

== Approval! ==

Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-35104-48|&amp;#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

:approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-36378-17|&amp;#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
: Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Administratorstvo ==

Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti!

Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (&lt;nowiki&gt;~~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt;). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

# {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) 
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

=== Drugi admini ===
{{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
:Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
:::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo &quot;odgovoriti&quot;, to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)

@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo.  – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

=== Drugi admini - glasovanje ===
Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

==== Vipz ====
@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# ...

==== Marcoorio ====
@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
# ...

==== LiMr ====
@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)

#{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
#:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST)


@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)&lt;br /&gt;A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Super. @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], s uspěhom! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:34, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici ==

Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje &quot;Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju&quot; ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku &quot;Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija&quot; jest privedena taka informacija: &quot;Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju&quot;, ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST).

Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami &quot;Članok napisany kiriliceju&quot; / &quot;Članok napisany latiniceju&quot;, tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Razděljenje Krčmy ==

Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili 
Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

: Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti &quot;{{-|village pump}}&quot;, selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu &quot;Portal občiny&quot;, čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno.
::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva.
::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Vikidane ==
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Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{INTERWIKI}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
:The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Trěba udaliti tuty redok &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;templatestyles src=&quot;MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css&quot; /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti &quot;administrator interfejsa&quot;, da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo &quot;Medžuslovjansky&quot;? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako &quot;Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы&quot;. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-39765-34|&amp;#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. 
:1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore &quot;male&quot; članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad &quot;Otava Jo&quot;, kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse &quot;velike&quot; vikidane, kako, napriklad, &quot;Solnce&quot; ili &quot;Napoleon Bonapart&quot; stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 &quot;obvěznyh&quot; člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa?
:2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: &lt;blockquote&gt;Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.&lt;/blockquote&gt; To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti?
:Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::K nomeru 1: Něktore prědmety vo Vikidanyh sut tako zvano polzamknute, čto znači, že prověrjeni koristniki mogut praviti tuty prědmety. Kak ne jeste prověrjeny koristnik, vy ne možete praviti polzamknute prědmety.
::K nomeru 2: Ja ne imaju kakekoli informacije o aktivitetah tutogo koristnika, nu kak to ne jest ješče aktivno, ono to bude pravdopodobno aktivno uže rano. Kak vy hočete, možete mu napisati na jego koristničsku besědu, pravdopodobno na anglijskom, kak tuten koristnik pravdopodobno ne bude uměti medžuslovjansky jezyk, začto on piše na anglijskom. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:57, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Tuty koristnik jest Meta-admin vsego inkubatora vseh viki, docěla mogutna figura 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:44, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Nu, on pravdopodobno imaje mnogo obvezkov, ktoryh on musi rabiti. Dajmo mu dostatok časa. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] imaje pravdu. Vikidane uže sut vključene za medžuslovjansky, ale někoje prědmety o popularnyh ili kontroversijnyh temah mogut byti zaščičene. Ja prěd hviljeju jesm sdělal link na [[Solnce]] i to šlo bez problemov. A čto se tyče gosp. Søby, on napisal, že vključi někaky avtomatičny skript za avtomatično prěneseneje danyh iz šablona INTERWIKI na Vikidane, ale on togo ješče ne sdělal. Ale ja imaju izkušenje, že on dolgo ne odgovarjaje na pytanja i kontakt s njim je trudny. Uviděl jesm, že od konca junija jegova aktivnost byla rědka. Takto teoretično my možemo vse dělati ručno (togda trěba najprvo prějdti na stranicu na někojem drugom jezyku, i odtuda prějdti do Vikidanyh), ale ja myslju, že to jest bezsmyslno raztračenje časa, ibo raněje ili pozdněje to imaje byti sdělano tym skriptom. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:54, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Hvala Jane, Solnce je priključeno. Myslim, instrukcija avtoram bude:
::::# Na avtomatično priključenje staryh člankov budemo čekati, ono někogda bude, ne trěba priključati jih ručno
::::# Prodolžajemo koristati šablon INTERWIKI
::::# Nove članky jest možno prisjedinjati ručno. Ako li prědmet jest hranjeny, trěba prositi to sdělati naših adminov
::::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 11:04, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Točno tako! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:23, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja to mogu sdělati. Uže jesm sdělal několiko ([[Special:Contributions/Vipz]]), nu idealno by bylo usposobiti ili vlastnogo bota ([[:sh:Korisnik:Vipz-bot]]) na tutom projektu, ili dostati pseudo-bot horugvu. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 17:27, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Na koristanje botov v vikidanyh trěba iměti dozvoljenje adminov, inače možeš dostati važny ban [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 18:42, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Mně to jest poznano, tomu ne jesm sdělal prěmnogo izměn. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 04:53, 18 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Skoro budu poprositi bot dozvoljenja. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 05:00, 18 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Translations ==

Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Maybe the &quot;Special&quot; namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Kako jest slovo &quot;pěskovišče&quot; kategorizovano? ==

Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo &quot;pěskovišče&quot; roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo &quot;šablon&quot; jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Tako jest slovo &quot;město&quot; roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Patrulovanje ==

Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. &lt;s&gt;Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo.  Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. &lt;/s&gt;[[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

:::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako &quot;možny vandalizm&quot;, &quot;izpraždnjenje stranice&quot; i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija.  [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::::my imajemo šablon &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} &lt;/nowiki&gt;, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Prěključ &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; ==

Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;, Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili &quot;Latinica/Кирилица&quot; kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
::ja imaju nadpis v menju &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;, i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;. No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element &lt;code&gt;p-variants-label&lt;/code&gt; v Vector (2022).  &lt;span style=&quot;text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block&quot;&gt;--[[User:MwGamera|Mw&lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:petite-caps&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;amera]]&lt;/span&gt; ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-39602-39|&amp;#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by &quot;prilěpiti&quot; kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Pěskovišče dlja modulov ==

Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Pozdrav, @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]], kako mene poučil viki-programist, ktory pomagal s translit-skriptom, do svojego ličnogo prostora možno sdělati vsečto, ne jedino LUA-module, ale i Javascript-gadget, to bude rabotati jedino za tebe. Myslim, to dělae se tako: https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul ili https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/My_Gadget.js [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:01, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Link pri testah ale musi byti polny, kako ''{{#invoke:Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul|parametr1|...'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:11, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nu, ja to možu obtestovati. Ja jesm už započel [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly|něčto stvarjati]], nu ja možu tutu sistemu nadrabiti. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:30, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nu, ja jesm to obtestoval, i ja vidimo, že ono to možlivo ne funkcionuje. Tuto jest hyba, ktoru mi zvanje modula piše:
:::&lt;code&gt;Script error: No such module &quot;[[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 1]]&quot;.&lt;/code&gt;
:::Kak se možete pozrěti, stranica ne izobražaje izvorny kod modula kako izvorny kod v programističnogom jezyku Lua, ili kako prostu stranicu. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 14:21, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Izvini, moja grěška, musi byti:
::::https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče_1, i takože pri koristanju
::::{{#invoke:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče_1|параметр1|... (nadějem se, slovo Modul tut ne jest trěbno) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:28, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Nu, to dava smysl. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 14:38, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Stranica [[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 1]] može byti odstranjena. Jediny link, ktory vede na tutu stranicu, jest Krčma. Na ščestje ja ne imaju věče takovyh stranic. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:46, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

Ja myslju, že to jest kvestija modela sodržanja. V koristiničskom prostoru ono izgledaje inako neželi v prostoru za moduly. Poprobuj něčto v rodu tutogo: [[:Modul:Pěskovišče]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:46, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Ja jesm početkujuči v programističnogom jezyku Lua, ale ja jesm už srazuměl zakladam tutogo jezyka i kako jest tuten jezyk upotrěbjeny v MediaViki softveru. Dalo to trud, ale ono se izplatilo. Ja jesm něčto iztvoril, [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 1|možlivo se pozrěti]]. Tuten modul by iměl byti vami tako rěčeny [[Modul:Pěskovišče]]. Ja hoču ješče iztvoriti dokumentaciju tutogo modula, ale ja ješče ne imaju iztočne stranice zapisok i dokumentacij dlja každogo pěskovišča. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:54, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Divno provodženje šablona ==

Pozdrav. Ja jesm hočel izrabotati šablon dlja tabličky, nu ja ne věm, či ja jesm glupy ili MediaViki jest. Moj šablon se provodi kako jest viděno tu: [https://isv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koristnik:Polda18/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De/%C5%A0ablony/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De_1&amp;oldid=28989] Ja jesm upotrěbil někaku akcentuaciju viki koda, kako samo ja byh mogl izjaviti někaku hybu. Nu, ja jesm nikaku ne viděl. Može někto, prosimo, izjasniti, čto se to děje? Kako by iměl tuten šablon izgledati, jest viděno [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Zaglavje|tu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 13:28, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Ja ješče dodam: šablon se provodi inako v podgledu i inako kako zapisana stranica. Ono to ne jest jedino tu na medžuslovjanskoj Vikipediji, ja jesm testoval jednako provodženje tako na češskoj Vikipediji (ače bez zapisanja). Ono to izpadaje na hybu vo MediaViki softveru ili hybu vo viki kodu šablona. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 13:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)</text>
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&lt;!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---&gt;


== Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici ==

Na Glavnoj stranici tut:

Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу].

Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat?

Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

:@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii
::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | &quot;Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija&quot; | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]]
::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC)

== Prědustavjeno pismo ==

Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt;, and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt; na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: 
* Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like &quot;Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал.&quot; The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. 
* [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains.
* [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian.
* The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them.
* [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript.
* [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that.
* [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages.
* [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works.
* Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable.

I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages:
# It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]]
# However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. 
# Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet.
# A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page.

So here's my own preferred solution, if possible:
# It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names.
# Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order).
# I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible?
# It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have.

There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]&lt;/code&gt; while recognizing &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]&lt;/code&gt;. In other words, we ought to support &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt;, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by &quot;fallback option&quot;, but if it means that &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; is interpreted as &quot;&lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; unless specified otherwise&quot;, I'd be perfectly fine with that.&lt;br /&gt;Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.&lt;br /&gt;For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that &lt;code&gt;'ų' =&gt; 'у'&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;'у' =&gt; 'u'&lt;/code&gt;, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
:I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. &lt;span style=&quot;text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block&quot;&gt;--[[User:MwGamera|Mw&lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:petite-caps&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;amera]]&lt;/span&gt; ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST)

== Транслитерација со Јапонского ==

Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на &quot;Kacušika Hokusaj&quot; або на &quot;Kacušika Hokusai&quot;? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

:Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na &quot;''si''&quot;, &quot;''dzju''&quot;, &quot;''dzjo''&quot; vměsto &quot;''ši''&quot;, &quot;''džu''&quot;, &quot;''džo''&quot; (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky):

{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv
|-
| サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са
|-
| シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши
|-
| シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша
|-
| タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та
|-
| チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи
|-
| ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу
|-
| チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча
|-
| ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња
|-
| ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва
|-
| ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за
|-
| ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи
|-
| ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа
|-
| ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да
|-
| ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи
|-
| ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу
|-
| ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа
|-
! colspan=&quot;7&quot; | razširjena katakana
|-
| ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су
|-
| スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си
|-
| テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те
|-
| ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти
|}

{{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

: Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

== Remaining issues ==

Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please!

=== Transliteration ===
First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write &quot;Džorž Buš&quot; instead of &quot;George Bush&quot; in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like &quot;Георге Бусх&quot;.

At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions:

'''bidirectional:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
| a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü
|-
| а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ
|}

'''unidirectional Lat &amp;rarr; Cyr:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! from
| á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż
|-
! to 
| а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж
|}

'''unidirectional Cyr &amp;rarr; Lat:'''
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! from
| ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я 
|-
! to
| g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja
|}


{{FNBox|Note:
{{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &amp;rarr; Lj and Њ &amp;rarr; Nj will do.}}
}}

=== Alphabetical order ===
Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't):

'''Latin:'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;big&gt;'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż&lt;/big&gt;

'''Cyrillic:'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;big&gt;'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я&lt;/big&gt;

=== Dates ===
* The standard format for dates is: &lt;code&gt;dd.mm.yyyy&lt;/code&gt;
* In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc.

=== Numbers ===
When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs:
* 1: nominative singular (1 dom)
* 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy)
* 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov)
* all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom)
* all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy)
* all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov)

=== Namespaces ===
{| class=&quot;wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;
! colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Namespace || colspan=&quot;2&quot; | Talk
|-
! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic
|-
| (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda
|-
| User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika
|-
| Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije
|-
| File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla
|-
| MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki
|-
| Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona
|-
| Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči
|-
| Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije
|-
| Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala
|-
| Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula
|-
| Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta
|}

I hope I haven't forgotten anything!

=== The code ISV ===
* In interwiki links, the language should appear as: &lt;code&gt;Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы&lt;/code&gt;
* The English name of the language is &quot;Interslavic&quot;.
* There still appear to be issues with the language code &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;. In Babel boxes, for example, &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;isv-Cyrl&lt;/code&gt; work, but &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; does not.
* I guess using &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; shoud have a fallback sequence to &lt;code&gt;isv-Latn&lt;/code&gt;, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested.

=== Transliteration once more ===
''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though.

That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

:Finally! That is some great news. 
:All the points touched here make sense to me. 
:I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or  Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hi Jan,
:Many thanks for this communication.
:My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.&lt;br /&gt;Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text
:&lt;pre&gt;{{-|text not to be transliterated}}&lt;/pre&gt;
:all it does only adding HTML tag
:&lt;pre&gt;&amp;lt;span class=&quot;ext-gadget-alphabet-disable&quot;&amp;gt;text not to be transliterated&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used &quot;manually&quot; when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now.
:I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example
:&lt;pre&gt;{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}&lt;/pre&gt;
:where:&lt;br/&gt; 
:''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)&lt;br/&gt;
:''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)&lt;br/&gt;
:''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin&lt;br/&gt;
:''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used).
:This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting.
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ |Examples
|-
! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1&lt;/nowiki&gt; || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) 
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua&lt;/nowiki&gt; || cyr || Жан-Франсуа
|-
| &lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1&lt;/nowiki&gt; || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua)
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|lat
|Jean-François
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|cyr
|Жан-Франсуа
|-
|&lt;nowiki&gt;Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|lat
|Györ (Ďjor)
|}
:Would this proposal be of interest?
:It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current &lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|...}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt; template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice:

&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;

If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary.

One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter:

&lt;tt&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/tt&gt;

Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like &quot;{{-|Microsoft}}&quot;. Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

=== Script ===
{{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}}

:So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script.
:My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text.
:&lt;pre&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv-Latn&quot;&gt;Jean-François&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:&lt;pre&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv-Cyrl&quot;&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:&lt;pre&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;alphabet-isv&quot;&gt;Žan-Fransua&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
:Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.&lt;br/&gt;
:Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9).

:&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;javascript&quot; line=&quot;1&quot; start=&quot;9&quot;&gt;
/** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI
/** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
:@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: 
:::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js
:::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works.
:::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: 
::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&amp;markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000
::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet).
{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ Kako koristati
|-
! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}}
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|macOS Sierra}}&lt;/pre&gt;|| &lt;pre&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/pre&gt;
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Jean-François&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/pre&gt;
|-
| &lt;pre&gt;{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)&lt;/pre&gt; || &lt;pre&gt;Джо Байден&lt;/pre&gt;
|}
:::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi All,
::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
::::&lt;s&gt;Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.&lt;/s&gt; &lt;s&gt;Next point to address.&lt;/s&gt; Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

=== Approval ===
{{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}}

Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-98653-7|&amp;#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10102-52|&amp;#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? 
:::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10115-37|&amp;#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur.
::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10259-25|&amp;#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous &quot;editor&quot;, buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told.
::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic.
::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it.
::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label &quot;constructed language&quot;, but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10286-28|&amp;#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|&amp;#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|&amp;#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
::Good news. A thread &quot;Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia&quot; has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-17126-63|&amp;#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
:::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread &quot;Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia,&quot; but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18779-70|&amp;#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18633-18|&amp;#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18861-96|&amp;#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-18833-94|&amp;#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-31741-38|&amp;#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

== Wiktionary ==
''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)''

When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. 
::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult.
::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary  that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary.
::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so:
::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution).
::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/)
::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. 
:::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
:::The slovnik fork is available here 
:::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/
:::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. 
:::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. 
:::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). 
:I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community.
:Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]]
:::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. 
:::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission?
:::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]]
:::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. 
:::So far my plan is the followinɡː 
:::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|&amp;#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое)
:::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо.  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|&amp;#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

== Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati  ==

slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati &quot;sravnivati&quot;, ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu

&quot;sravnjati&quot; za mene imaje smysl &quot;uravnjati&quot;, &quot;sdělati jednakovym&quot;, na angl. ''to level''

čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

:Nu znaješ, &quot;sravnjati&quot; prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola &quot;sravniti&quot;. V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati &gt; -yvati'', a ''-iti &gt; -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati &gt; -avati'' iili ''-iti &gt; -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu  regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) 
::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku &quot;to be comparing&quot; inym slovom.
::Russky	срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять
::Bělorussky	параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць
::Ukrajinsky	порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати
::Poljsky	porów'''ny'''wać
::Češsky	srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat
::Slovačsky	porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať
::Hrvatsky	srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati
::Srbsky	срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати
::Makedonsky	сравнува, споредува
::Bulgarsky	срав'''ня'''вам
::&quot;Sravnjati s zemjeju&quot; — &quot;Compare with Earth?&quot; or &quot;Level it to the ground&quot;?  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Moje prědloženje&quot;:
:::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov.
:::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining)
:::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

== Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju ==

&lt;nowiki&gt;https://medzuslovjansky.onl/&lt;/nowiki&gt;

jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju

može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka

stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov

prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji


[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. 
:::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku &quot;Najdolžejše članky&quot;? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah.
:::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre.
:::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. 
:::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo)
:::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov  [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov &gt;10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici:
::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). 
::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis
::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki)
::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki
::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky
::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah
::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. 
::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

== Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju ==

Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. 

Može byti, my takože budemo dodati?

https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

:Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

== Nove možnosti transliteracije - sdělano ==

Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.&lt;br/&gt;Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: &lt;br/&gt;Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).&lt;br/&gt;

{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
|+ Kako koristati
|-
! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}}
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|macOS Sierra}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;|| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;macOS Sierra&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Jean-François&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Жан-Франсуа&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
| &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; || &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;Джо Байден&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|-
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;V Providence’u&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;В Провиденсу&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
|}
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;s&gt;Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.&lt;/s&gt; Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Tut byl variant
::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod:
::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &amp;rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &amp;rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
:Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

== Originalne &lt;s&gt;imena ljudij&lt;/s&gt; i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov ==

&lt;s&gt;Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?&lt;/s&gt;

&lt;s&gt;Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..&lt;/s&gt;

P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati.

Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije.

Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte.

S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

:Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

== Approval! ==

Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-35104-48|&amp;#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

:approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-36378-17|&amp;#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
: Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Administratorstvo ==

Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti!

Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (&lt;nowiki&gt;~~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt;). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

# {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) 
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

=== Drugi admini ===
{{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
:Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)
:::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo &quot;odgovoriti&quot;, to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC)

@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo.  – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

=== Drugi admini - glasovanje ===
Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

==== Vipz ====
@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# ...

==== Marcoorio ====
@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
# ...

==== LiMr ====
@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)

#{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST)
#:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST)
#{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST)


@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)&lt;br /&gt;A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Super. @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], s uspěhom! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:34, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici ==

Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje &quot;Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju&quot; ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST)

:A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku &quot;Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija&quot; jest privedena taka informacija: &quot;Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju&quot;, ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST).

Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami &quot;Članok napisany kiriliceju&quot; / &quot;Članok napisany latiniceju&quot;, tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Razděljenje Krčmy ==

Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili 
Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

: Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti &quot;{{-|village pump}}&quot;, selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu &quot;Portal občiny&quot;, čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno.
::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva.
::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Vikidane ==
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Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt;, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{INTERWIKI}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod &lt;code&gt;isv&lt;/code&gt; dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
:The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Trěba udaliti tuty redok &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;templatestyles src=&quot;MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css&quot; /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti &quot;administrator interfejsa&quot;, da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo &quot;Medžuslovjansky&quot;? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako &quot;Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы&quot;. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-39765-34|&amp;#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
:@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. 
:1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore &quot;male&quot; članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad &quot;Otava Jo&quot;, kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse &quot;velike&quot; vikidane, kako, napriklad, &quot;Solnce&quot; ili &quot;Napoleon Bonapart&quot; stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 &quot;obvěznyh&quot; člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa?
:2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: &lt;blockquote&gt;Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.&lt;/blockquote&gt; To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti?
:Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::K nomeru 1: Něktore prědmety vo Vikidanyh sut tako zvano polzamknute, čto znači, že prověrjeni koristniki mogut praviti tuty prědmety. Kak ne jeste prověrjeny koristnik, vy ne možete praviti polzamknute prědmety.
::K nomeru 2: Ja ne imaju kakekoli informacije o aktivitetah tutogo koristnika, nu kak to ne jest ješče aktivno, ono to bude pravdopodobno aktivno uže rano. Kak vy hočete, možete mu napisati na jego koristničsku besědu, pravdopodobno na anglijskom, kak tuten koristnik pravdopodobno ne bude uměti medžuslovjansky jezyk, začto on piše na anglijskom. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:57, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Tuty koristnik jest Meta-admin vsego inkubatora vseh viki, docěla mogutna figura 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:44, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Nu, on pravdopodobno imaje mnogo obvezkov, ktoryh on musi rabiti. Dajmo mu dostatok časa. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] imaje pravdu. Vikidane uže sut vključene za medžuslovjansky, ale někoje prědmety o popularnyh ili kontroversijnyh temah mogut byti zaščičene. Ja prěd hviljeju jesm sdělal link na [[Solnce]] i to šlo bez problemov. A čto se tyče gosp. Søby, on napisal, že vključi někaky avtomatičny skript za avtomatično prěneseneje danyh iz šablona INTERWIKI na Vikidane, ale on togo ješče ne sdělal. Ale ja imaju izkušenje, že on dolgo ne odgovarjaje na pytanja i kontakt s njim je trudny. Uviděl jesm, že od konca junija jegova aktivnost byla rědka. Takto teoretično my možemo vse dělati ručno (togda trěba najprvo prějdti na stranicu na někojem drugom jezyku, i odtuda prějdti do Vikidanyh), ale ja myslju, že to jest bezsmyslno raztračenje časa, ibo raněje ili pozdněje to imaje byti sdělano tym skriptom. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:54, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Hvala Jane, Solnce je priključeno. Myslim, instrukcija avtoram bude:
::::# Na avtomatično priključenje staryh člankov budemo čekati, ono někogda bude, ne trěba priključati jih ručno
::::# Prodolžajemo koristati šablon INTERWIKI
::::# Nove članky jest možno prisjedinjati ručno. Ako li prědmet jest hranjeny, trěba prositi to sdělati naših adminov
::::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 11:04, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Točno tako! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:23, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Ja to mogu sdělati. Uže jesm sdělal několiko ([[Special:Contributions/Vipz]]), nu idealno by bylo usposobiti ili vlastnogo bota ([[:sh:Korisnik:Vipz-bot]]) na tutom projektu, ili dostati pseudo-bot horugvu. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 17:27, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Na koristanje botov v vikidanyh trěba iměti dozvoljenje adminov, inače možeš dostati važny ban [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 18:42, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Mně to jest poznano, tomu ne jesm sdělal prěmnogo izměn. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 04:53, 18 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Skoro budu poprositi bot dozvoljenja. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 05:00, 18 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Translations ==

Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:Maybe the &quot;Special&quot; namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Kako jest slovo &quot;pěskovišče&quot; kategorizovano? ==

Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo &quot;pěskovišče&quot; roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo &quot;šablon&quot; jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

:Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Tako jest slovo &quot;město&quot; roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
:ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST)

== Patrulovanje ==

Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. &lt;s&gt;Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo.  Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. &lt;/s&gt;[[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)

:::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako &quot;možny vandalizm&quot;, &quot;izpraždnjenje stranice&quot; i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija.  [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::::my imajemo šablon &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} &lt;/nowiki&gt;, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''&lt;span style=&quot;color:#a09786;&quot;&gt;&lt;ruby&gt;ヴァディム&lt;/ruby&gt;&lt;/span&gt;''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|&lt;small&gt;besěda&lt;/small&gt;]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Prěključ &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; ==

Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;, Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili &quot;Latinica/Кирилица&quot; kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
::ja imaju nadpis v menju &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;, i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest &quot;medžuslovjansky&quot;. No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element &lt;code&gt;p-variants-label&lt;/code&gt; v Vector (2022).  &lt;span style=&quot;text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block&quot;&gt;--[[User:MwGamera|Mw&lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:petite-caps&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;amera]]&lt;/span&gt; ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&amp;#126;2026-39602-39|&amp;#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&amp;#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija &quot;Lat./Кир.&quot; je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by &quot;prilěpiti&quot; kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Pěskovišče dlja modulov ==

Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST)
:Pozdrav, @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]], kako mene poučil viki-programist, ktory pomagal s translit-skriptom, do svojego ličnogo prostora možno sdělati vsečto, ne jedino LUA-module, ale i Javascript-gadget, to bude rabotati jedino za tebe. Myslim, to dělae se tako: https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul ili https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/My_Gadget.js [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:01, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::Link pri testah ale musi byti polny, kako ''{{#invoke:Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul|parametr1|...'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:11, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nu, ja to možu obtestovati. Ja jesm už započel [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly|něčto stvarjati]], nu ja možu tutu sistemu nadrabiti. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:30, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::Nu, ja jesm to obtestoval, i ja vidimo, že ono to možlivo ne funkcionuje. Tuto jest hyba, ktoru mi zvanje modula piše:
:::&lt;code&gt;Script error: No such module &quot;[[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 1]]&quot;.&lt;/code&gt;
:::Kak se možete pozrěti, stranica ne izobražaje izvorny kod modula kako izvorny kod v programističnogom jezyku Lua, ili kako prostu stranicu. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 14:21, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Izvini, moja grěška, musi byti:
::::https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče_1, i takože pri koristanju
::::{{#invoke:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče_1|параметр1|... (nadějem se, slovo Modul tut ne jest trěbno) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:28, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
:::::Nu, to dava smysl. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 14:38, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)
::::Stranica [[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 1]] može byti odstranjena. Jediny link, ktory vede na tutu stranicu, jest Krčma. Na ščestje ja ne imaju věče takovyh stranic. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:46, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

Ja myslju, že to jest kvestija modela sodržanja. V koristiničskom prostoru ono izgledaje inako neželi v prostoru za moduly. Poprobuj něčto v rodu tutogo: [[:Modul:Pěskovišče]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:46, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Ja jesm početkujuči v programističnogom jezyku Lua, ale ja jesm už srazuměl zakladam tutogo jezyka i kako jest tuten jezyk upotrěbjeny v MediaViki softveru. Dalo to trud, ale ono se izplatilo. Ja jesm něčto iztvoril, [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 1|možlivo se pozrěti]]. Tuten modul by iměl byti vami tako rěčeny [[Modul:Pěskovišče]]. Ja hoču ješče iztvoriti dokumentaciju tutogo modula, ale ja ješče ne imaju iztočne stranice zapisok i dokumentacij dlja každogo pěskovišča. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:54, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

== Divno provodženje šablona ==

Pozdrav. Ja jesm hočel izrabotati šablon dlja tabličky, nu ja ne věm, či ja jesm glupy ili MediaViki jest. Moj šablon se provodi kako jest viděno tu: [https://isv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koristnik:Polda18/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De/%C5%A0ablony/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De_1&amp;oldid=28989] Ja jesm upotrěbil někaku akcentuaciju viki koda, kako samo ja byh mogl izjaviti někaku hybu. Nu, ja jesm nikaku ne viděl. Može někto, prosimo, izjasniti, čto se to děje? Kako by iměl tuten šablon izgledati, jest viděno [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Zaglavje|tu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 13:28, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)

:Ja ješče dodam: šablon se provodi inako v podgledu i inako kako zapisana stranica. Ono to ne jest jedino tu na medžuslovjanskoj Vikipediji, ja jesm testoval jednako provodženje tako na češskoj Vikipediji (ače bez zapisanja). Ono to izpadaje na hybu vo MediaViki softveru ili hybu vo viki kodu šablona. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 13:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST)</text>
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{{-|'''Randstad''' (|'''Рандстад''' ({{Jezyky|nl|Randstad}}; }}davněje: '''Randstad Holland''') je vysoko urbanizovana čest [[Niderlandy|Niderlandov]] na zapadu kraja, ktora obimaje česti provincij [[Sěverna Holandija|Sěvernoj Holandije]], [[Južna Holandija|Južnoj Holandije]], [[Utrecht (provincija)|{{-|Utrechta|Утрехта}}]] i [[Flevoland]]a. Sodrživaje m.in. grady i aglomeracije [[Amsterdam]], [[Rotterdam]], [[Haga]], [[Leiden|{{-|Leiden|Лејден}}]], [[Utrecht (grad)|{{-|Utrecht|Утрехт}}]], [[Almere]] i [[Haarlem]]. Kako cělost Randstad imaje formu podkovy, a neurbanizovana čest v srědišču nazyvaje se «Zeleno srdce» ({{Jezyky|nl|Groene Hart}}).

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'''Епика о Гилгамешу''' јест литературна творба разважајема давнєјшеј, ктора је дошла до днес.&lt;ref&gt;[https://yalebooks.yale.edu/2020/04/30/the-epic-of-gilgamesh/]&lt;/ref&gt; Она разказываје о Краљу [[Uruk|Урука]]. 

Нєкоје из [[Šumeri|шумерских]] поэм эпики датујемы добоју Третјеј Династије Ур. Позднєјша Аккадска версија јест важны източник дља сучасных прєводов. А старєјши версији изкористаны же бы заполњати пропусты.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book |translator=Andrew R. George |year=2003 |orig-year=1999 |title=The Epic of Gilgamesh: The Babylonian Epic Poem and Other Texts in Akkadian and Sumerian |edition=reprinted |publisher=Penguin Books |location=London, England |isbn=0-14-044919-1 |url=https://archive.org/details/isbn_9780140449198 |url-access=registration |oclc=901129328 |ref={{Harvid|George|2003}} }}&lt;/ref&gt;

== Сjужет ==

Протагонисти эпики сут полубог, Краљ Урука, могучи војин, Гилгамеш и дикы чловек, створјены богыњеју Аруру из глины, Енкиду. Богыња створила Енкиду же бы он противдєјал Гилгамешу, когды обыватељи Урука сут обратили се к нјеј с жалобоју на својего Краља.

== Одкрытје ==

В 1850-х годах Остин Хенри Лајард со својими помочниками Хормуздом Рассамом и Уиљамом Лофтусом бєху изјавили 15 000 одломков Ассиријского клинописа в библиотекє Ашурбанипала.&lt;ref name=tangled&gt;{{Cite journal |last=George |first=Andrew R. |date=2008 |title=Shattered tablets and tangled threads: Editing Gilgamesh, then and now |url=http://eprints.soas.ac.uk/id/eprint/7497 |journal=Aramazd. Armenian Journal of Near Eastern Studies |volume=3 |pages=7–30 |access-date=12 September 2018 |archive-date=8 December 2019 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20191208175153/https://eprints.soas.ac.uk/7497/ |url-status=live}}&lt;/ref&gt; В году 1852 Рассам је проводил копанје во второј чести библиотекы. Потом он је прєдал табелы в Британскы Музеј.&lt;ref name=Керам&gt;{{cite book|author=Керам К. |title=Боги, гробницы, ученые |publisher=Республика |year=1994 | pages=351 |isbn=5-250-02261-8}}&lt;/ref&gt; В томже десетилєтју Британскы Музеј је повєрил јих прєводженје Джорджу Смиту. Он је прєдставил прєводжены чести Библејскому Археологичному Дружству ({{-|Society of Biblical Archaeology}}) в году 1872.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web |url=http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/chad/ |title=The Chaldean Account of the Deluge |last=Smith |first=George |date=3 December 1872 |website=Sacred Texts |access-date=27 March 2020 |archive-date=11 April 2021 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210411045721/https://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/chad/ |url-status=live}}&lt;/ref&gt;

== Източникы ==
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'''Кирилица''' ({{Lang|en|[[ISO 15924]]}}: {{-|Cyrl}}, {{-|Cyrs}}) јест [[писмо]], кторо користаје се дља разных алфабетов в [[Европа|Европє]] и [[Азија|Азији]] (особливо в [[Возходна Европа|Возходној Европє]], на Кавказу, в Централној и Сєверној Азији). Оно было основано на [[Старокириличскы алфабет|старокириличском алфабету]], кторы был створјены в 9. столєтју в [[Преславска книжна школа|Преславској книжној школє]] (Прво Булгарско царство).&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/?id=J-H9BTVHKRMC&amp;pg=PR3-IA34&amp;lpg=PR3-IA34&amp;dq=The+Orthodox+Church+in+the+Byzantine+Empire+Cyrillic+preslav+eastern#v=onepage&amp;q=%20preslav%20eastern&amp;f=false|chapter= The Orthodox Church in the Byzantine Empire|title=Oxford History of the Christian Church|author= J. M. Hussey, Andrew Louth|publisher= Oxford University Press|year= 2010|isbn=0-19-161488-2|pages= 100|language=en}}&lt;/ref&gt; Кирилица користаје се в азбуках православных [[Словјани|словјанскых]] народов и несловјанскых народов, кторе имајут влив Русского језыка. С приступјеньа [[Булгарија|Булгарије]] в [[Европејскы сојуз]] 1 јануарьа 2007 рока кирилица стала третјим официалным писмом Европејского сојуза, после [[Латиница|латинице]] и [[Гречска азбука|гречској азбукы]].&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web|author1=Leonard Orban|title=Cyrillic, the third official alphabet of the EU, was created by a truly multilingual European|url=http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_SPEECH-07-330_en.pdf|website=europe.eu|accessdate=2014-08-03|date=2007-05-24|language=en}}&lt;/ref&gt;

Кирилица была изведена из гречского унцијалного писма с вливом букв из [[Глаголица|глаголицы]], вкључајучи лигатуры. Тамте додаточне буквы были користајемы дља [[Староцрковнословјанскы језык|староцрковнословјанскых]] звуков, кторых не было в гречском језыку. Писмо јест названо в чест [[Кирил и Методиј|Кирила и Методија]], ктори создали глаголицу. Модерне учени мнет, что кирилица была создана и формализована раными учениками Кирила и Методија.

В 18. столєтју кирилица в [[Росија|Росији]] была реформована [[Пјотр Великы|Пјотром Великым]]. Новы облик букв стал ближе к латинице, были удаљене архаичне буквы и неколико букв были запројектованы лично Пјотром. Западноевропејска типографична култура была такоже принесена.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web|title=Гражданский шрифт и кириллический Киш|url=http://typejournal.ru/articles/Civil-Type|language=ru|website=Журнал «Шрифт»|accessdate=2016-03-22}}&lt;/ref&gt;

== Алфабеты ==
* [[Кириличне алфабеты]]
* [[Сравнитељна табела кириличных алфабетов]]
* [[Список језыков употрєбјајучих кирилицу]]

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| 𞀳
| 𞀴
| 𞀵
| 𞀶
| 𞀷
| 𞀸
| 𞀹
| 𞀺
| 𞀻
| 𞀼
| 𞀽
| 𞀾
| 𞀿
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+1E04x
| 𞁀
| 𞁁
| 𞁂
| 𞁃
| 𞁄
| 𞁅
| 𞁆
| 𞁇
| 𞁈
| 𞁉
| 𞁊
| 𞁋
| 𞁌
| 𞁍
| 𞁎
| 𞁏
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+1E05x
| 𞁐
| 𞁑
| 𞁒
| 𞁓
| 𞁔
| 𞁕
| 𞁖
| 𞁗
| 𞁘
| 𞁙
| 𞁚
| 𞁛
| 𞁜
| 𞁝
| 𞁞
| 𞁟
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+1E06x
| 𞁠
| 𞁡
| 𞁢
| 𞁣
| 𞁤
| 𞁥
| 𞁦
| 𞁧
| 𞁨
| 𞁩
| 𞁪
| 𞁫
| 𞁬
| 𞁭
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SCRIPT A&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁮
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SCRIPT A&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁯
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+1E07x
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SPLIT BY MIDDLE RING GHE&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁰
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SPLIT BY MIDDLE RING GHE&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁱
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER JE WITH INVERTED BELT&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁲
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER JE WITH INVERTED BELT&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁳
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER BYELORUSSIAN-UKRAINIAN I WITH CURVE AT BOTTOM&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁴
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER BYELORUSSIAN-UKRAINIAN I WITH CURVE AT BOTTOM&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁵
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER OPEN AT BOTTOM O&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁶
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER OPEN AT BOTTOM O&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁷
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER OPEN AT LEFT O&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁸
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER OPEN AT LEFT O&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁹
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER LONG ES&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁺
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER LONG ES&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁻
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SCRIPT U&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁼
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SCRIPT U&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁽
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER BASHKIR HA&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁾
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER BASHKIR HA&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁿
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+1E08x
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SHHA WITH HIGH RIGHT BREVE SERIF&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂀
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SHHA WITH HIGH RIGHT BREVE SERIF&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂁
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SHHA WITH CIL TOP&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂂
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SHHA WITH CIL TOP&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂃
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER DJE WITH HIGH RIGHT BREVE SERIF&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂄
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SHHA WITH HOOK&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂅
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SHHA WITH HOOK&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂆
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER KA WITH LOOP&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂇
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER KA WITH LOOP&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂈
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ENLARGED SMALL QA&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂉
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER CIL&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂊
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER CIL&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂋
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER CIL WITH BAR&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂌
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER CIL WITH BAR&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂍
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER TSE WITH LONG LEFT LEG&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂎
| 𞂏
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+1E09x
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER TSE WITH LONG LEFT LEG&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂐
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER CHAR&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂑
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER CHAR&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂒
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER CHAR WITH HIGH RIGHT BREVE SERIF&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂓
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER GHAD&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂔
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER GHAD&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂕
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER CURLED ROUNDTOP EL&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂖
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER CURLED ROUNDTOP EL&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂗
| colspan=&quot;8&quot; title=&quot;Reserved&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#C0E0FF;&quot; |
|-
| colspan=&quot;17&quot; style=&quot;background:#F8F8F8;font-size:small;text-align:left&quot; | &lt;span class=&quot;ext-gadget-alphabet-enable&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;{{Legenda|#ddf|Комбинујуче симболы}}{{Legenda|#ccc|Позиције некириличных симболов}}{{Legenda|#C0E0FF|Зарезервоване кодове позиције}}{{Legenda|#aea|Зарезервоване кодове позиције, кторе будут в једној из слєдујучих версиј}}{{Legenda|#eea|Зарезервоване кодове позиције, кторе были прєдложене в поданјах, але јешче не были разрєшене}}&lt;/span&gt;
|}
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== Източникы ==
{{Iztočniky}}

== Внєшње линкы ==
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{{Slovjanske jezyky}}
{{Kirilica}}

[[Kategorija:Кирилица| ]]
[[Kategorija:Алфабеты]]
[[Kategorija:Словјанска култура]]

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'''Кирилица''' ({{Lang|en|[[ISO 15924]]}}: {{-|Cyrl}}, {{-|Cyrs}}) јест [[писмо]], кторо користаје се дља разных алфабетов в [[Европа|Европє]] и [[Азија|Азији]] (особливо в [[Возходна Европа|Возходној Европє]], на Кавказу, в Централној и Сєверној Азији). Оно было основано на [[Старокириличскы алфабет|старокириличском алфабету]], кторы был створјены в 9. столєтју в [[Преславска книжна школа|Преславској книжној школє]] (Прво Булгарско царство).&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/?id=J-H9BTVHKRMC&amp;pg=PR3-IA34&amp;lpg=PR3-IA34&amp;dq=The+Orthodox+Church+in+the+Byzantine+Empire+Cyrillic+preslav+eastern#v=onepage&amp;q=%20preslav%20eastern&amp;f=false|chapter= The Orthodox Church in the Byzantine Empire|title=Oxford History of the Christian Church|author= J. M. Hussey, Andrew Louth|publisher= Oxford University Press|year= 2010|isbn=0-19-161488-2|pages= 100|language=en}}&lt;/ref&gt; Кирилица користаје се в азбуках православных [[Словјани|словјанскых]] народов и несловјанскых народов, кторе имајут влив Русского језыка. С приступјеньа [[Булгарија|Булгарије]] в [[Европејскы сојуз]] 1 јануарьа 2007 рока кирилица стала третјим официалным писмом Европејского сојуза, после [[Латиница|латинице]] и [[Гречска азбука|гречској азбукы]].&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web|author1=Leonard Orban|title=Cyrillic, the third official alphabet of the EU, was created by a truly multilingual European|url=http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_SPEECH-07-330_en.pdf|website=europe.eu|accessdate=2014-08-03|date=2007-05-24|language=en}}&lt;/ref&gt;

Кирилица была изведена из гречского унцијалного писма с вливом букв из [[Глаголица|глаголицы]], вкључајучи лигатуры. Тамте додаточне буквы были користајемы дља [[Староцрковнословјанскы језык|староцрковнословјанскых]] звуков, кторых не было в гречском језыку. Писмо јест названо в чест [[Кирил и Методиј|Кирила и Методија]], ктори создали глаголицу. Модерне учени мнет, что кирилица была создана и формализована раными учениками Кирила и Методија.

В 18. столєтју кирилица в [[Росија|Росији]] была реформована [[Пјотр Великы|Пјотром Великым]]. Новы облик букв стал ближе к латинице, были удаљене архаичне буквы и неколико букв были запројектованы лично Пјотром. Западноевропејска типографична култура была такоже принесена.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web|title=Гражданский шрифт и кириллический Киш|url=http://typejournal.ru/articles/Civil-Type|language=ru|website=Журнал «Шрифт»|accessdate=2016-03-22}}&lt;/ref&gt;

== Алфабеты ==
* [[Кириличне алфабеты]]
* [[Сравнитељна табела кириличных алфабетов]]
* [[Список језыков употрєбјајучих кирилицу]]

== Unikod ==
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| colspan=&quot;17&quot; style=&quot;background:#F8F8F8;font-size:small&quot; | &lt;span class=&quot;ext-gadget-alphabet-enable&quot;&gt;'''Кирилица в [[Unikod|Уникоду]]''' (версија 17.0)&lt;/span&gt;
|- style=&quot;background: #F8F8F8; font-size: small&quot;
| style=&quot;width:12%&quot; | || style=&quot;width:5.5%&quot; | 0 || style=&quot;width:5.5%&quot; | 1 || style=&quot;width:5.5%&quot; | 2 || style=&quot;width:5.5%&quot; | 3 || style=&quot;width:5.5%&quot; | 4 || style=&quot;width:5.5%&quot; | 5 || style=&quot;width:5.5%&quot; | 6 || style=&quot;width:5.5%&quot; | 7 || style=&quot;width:5.5%&quot; | 8 || style=&quot;width:5.5%&quot; | 9 || style=&quot;width:5.5%&quot; | A || style=&quot;width:5.5%&quot; | B || style=&quot;width:5.5%&quot; | C || style=&quot;width:5.5%&quot; | D || style=&quot;width:5.5%&quot; | E || style=&quot;width:5.5%&quot; | F
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | [https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0400.pdf U+040x]
| Ѐ
| Ё
| Ђ
| Ѓ
| Є
| Ѕ
| І
| Ї
| Ј
| Љ
| Њ
| Ћ
| Ќ
| Ѝ
| Ў
| Џ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+041x
| А
| Б
| В
| Г
| Д
| Е
| Ж
| З
| И
| Й
| К
| Л
| М
| Н
| О
| П
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+042x
| Р
| С
| Т
| У
| Ф
| Х
| Ц
| Ч
| Ш
| Щ
| Ъ
| Ы
| Ь
| Э
| Ю
| Я
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+043x
| а
| б
| в
| г
| д
| е
| ж
| з
| и
| й
| к
| л
| м
| н
| о
| п
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+044x
| р
| с
| т
| у
| ф
| х
| ц
| ч
| ш
| щ
| ъ
| ы
| ь
| э
| ю
| я
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+045x
| ѐ
| ё
| ђ
| ѓ
| є
| ѕ
| і
| ї
| ј
| љ
| њ
| ћ
| ќ
| ѝ
| ў
| џ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+046x
| Ѡ
| ѡ
| Ѣ
| ѣ
| Ѥ
| ѥ
| Ѧ
| ѧ
| Ѩ
| ѩ
| Ѫ
| ѫ
| Ѭ
| ѭ
| Ѯ
| ѯ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+047x
| Ѱ
| ѱ
| Ѳ
| ѳ
| Ѵ
| ѵ
| Ѷ
| ѷ
| Ѹ
| ѹ
| Ѻ
| ѻ
| Ѽ
| ѽ
| Ѿ
| ѿ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+048x
| Ҁ
| ҁ
| ҂
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ҃
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ҄
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ҅
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ҆
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ҇
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ҈
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ҉
| Ҋ
| ҋ
| Ҍ
| ҍ
| Ҏ
| ҏ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+049x
| Ґ
| ґ
| Ғ
| ғ
| Ҕ
| ҕ
| Җ
| җ
| Ҙ
| ҙ
| Қ
| қ
| Ҝ
| ҝ
| Ҟ
| ҟ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+04Ax
| Ҡ
| ҡ
| Ң
| ң
| Ҥ
| ҥ
| Ҧ
| ҧ
| Ҩ
| ҩ
| Ҫ
| ҫ
| Ҭ
| ҭ
| Ү
| ү
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+04Bx
| Ұ
| ұ
| Ҳ
| ҳ
| Ҵ
| ҵ
| Ҷ
| ҷ
| Ҹ
| ҹ
| Һ
| һ
| Ҽ
| ҽ
| Ҿ
| ҿ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+04Cx
| Ӏ
| Ӂ
| ӂ
| Ӄ
| ӄ
| Ӆ
| ӆ
| Ӈ
| ӈ
| Ӊ
| ӊ
| Ӌ
| ӌ
| Ӎ
| ӎ
| ӏ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+04Dx
| Ӑ
| ӑ
| Ӓ
| ӓ
| Ӕ
| ӕ
| Ӗ
| ӗ
| Ә
| ә
| Ӛ
| ӛ
| Ӝ
| ӝ
| Ӟ
| ӟ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+04Ex
| Ӡ
| ӡ
| Ӣ
| ӣ
| Ӥ
| ӥ
| Ӧ
| ӧ
| Ө
| ө
| Ӫ
| ӫ
| Ӭ
| ӭ
| Ӯ
| ӯ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+04Fx
| Ӱ
| ӱ
| Ӳ
| ӳ
| Ӵ
| ӵ
| Ӷ
| ӷ
| Ӹ
| ӹ
| Ӻ
| ӻ
| Ӽ
| ӽ
| Ӿ
| ӿ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | [https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0500.pdf U+050x]
| Ԁ
| ԁ
| Ԃ
| ԃ
| Ԅ
| ԅ
| Ԇ
| ԇ
| Ԉ
| ԉ
| Ԋ
| ԋ
| Ԍ
| ԍ
| Ԏ
| ԏ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+051x
| Ԑ
| ԑ
| Ԓ
| ԓ
| Ԕ
| ԕ
| Ԗ
| ԗ
| Ԙ
| ԙ
| Ԛ
| ԛ
| Ԝ
| ԝ
| Ԟ
| ԟ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+052x
| Ԡ
| ԡ
| Ԣ
| ԣ
| Ԥ
| ԥ
| Ԧ
| ԧ
| Ԩ
| ԩ
| Ԫ
| ԫ
| Ԭ
| ԭ
| Ԯ
| ԯ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | [https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1C80.pdf U+1C8x]
| ᲀ
| ᲁ
| ᲂ
| ᲃ
| ᲄ
| ᲅ
| ᲆ
| ᲇ
| ᲈ
| Ᲊ
| ᲊ
| title=&quot; CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER YERU WITH CONNECTING BAR&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#cfc;&quot; | ᲋
| colspan=&quot;4&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#C0E0FF;&quot; |
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | [https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1D00.pdf U+1D2x]
| colspan=&quot;11&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#CCCCCC;&quot; |
| ᴫ
| colspan=&quot;4&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#CCCCCC;&quot; |
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+1D7x
| colspan=&quot;8&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#CCCCCC;&quot; |
| ᵸ
| colspan=&quot;7&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#CCCCCC;&quot; |
&lt;!--
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | [https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U20D0.pdf U+20Dx]
| colspan=&quot;13&quot; title=&quot;Non-Cyrillic&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#CCCCCC;&quot; |
| ⃝
| colspan=&quot;2&quot; title=&quot;Non-Cyrillic&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#CCCCCC;&quot; |
--&gt;|- style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot;
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | [https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2DE0.pdf U+2DEx]
| ⷠ
| ⷡ
| ⷢ
| ⷣ
| ⷤ
| ⷥ
| ⷦ
| ⷧ
| ⷨ
| ⷩ
| ⷪ
| ⷫ
| ⷬ
| ⷭ
| ⷮ
| ⷯ
|- style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot;
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+2DFx
| ⷰ
| ⷱ
| ⷲ
| ⷳ
| ⷴ
| ⷵ
| ⷶ
| ⷷ
| ⷸ
| ⷹ
| ⷺ
| ⷻ
| ⷼ
| ⷽ
| ⷾ
| ⷿ
|-
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| Ꙁ
| ꙁ
| Ꙃ
| ꙃ
| Ꙅ
| ꙅ
| Ꙇ
| ꙇ
| Ꙉ
| ꙉ
| Ꙋ
| ꙋ
| Ꙍ
| ꙍ
| Ꙏ
| ꙏ
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| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+A65x
| Ꙑ
| ꙑ
| Ꙓ
| ꙓ
| Ꙕ
| ꙕ
| Ꙗ
| ꙗ
| Ꙙ
| ꙙ
| Ꙛ
| ꙛ
| Ꙝ
| ꙝ
| Ꙟ
| ꙟ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+A66x
| Ꙡ
| ꙡ
| Ꙣ
| ꙣ
| Ꙥ
| ꙥ
| Ꙧ
| ꙧ
| Ꙩ
| ꙩ
| Ꙫ
| ꙫ
| Ꙭ
| ꙭ
| ꙮ
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙯
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+A67x
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙰
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙱
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙲
| ꙳
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙴ
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙵ
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙶ
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙷ
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙸ
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙹ
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙺ
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙻ
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙼
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙽
| ꙾
| ꙿ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+A68x
| Ꚁ
| ꚁ
| Ꚃ
| ꚃ
| Ꚅ
| ꚅ
| Ꚇ
| ꚇ
| Ꚉ
| ꚉ
| Ꚋ
| ꚋ
| Ꚍ
| ꚍ
| Ꚏ
| ꚏ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+A69x
| Ꚑ
| ꚑ
| Ꚓ
| ꚓ
| Ꚕ
| ꚕ
| Ꚗ
| ꚗ
| Ꚙ
| ꚙ
| Ꚛ
| ꚛ
| ꚜ
| ꚝ
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꚞ
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꚟ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | [https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1C80.pdf U+1C8x]
| ᲀ
| ᲁ
| ᲂ
| ᲃ
| ᲄ
| ᲅ
| ᲆ
| ᲇ
| ᲈ
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER TJE&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#aea;&quot; | Ᲊ
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER TJE&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#aea;&quot; | ᲊ
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER CHE WITH HOOK&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | ᲋
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER CHE WITH HOOK&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | ᲌
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ZHE WITH STROKE&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | ᲍
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER ZHE WITH STROKE&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | ᲎
| title=&quot;Reserved&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#C0E0FF;&quot; |
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | [https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1E030.pdf U+1E03x]
| 𞀰
| 𞀱
| 𞀲
| 𞀳
| 𞀴
| 𞀵
| 𞀶
| 𞀷
| 𞀸
| 𞀹
| 𞀺
| 𞀻
| 𞀼
| 𞀽
| 𞀾
| 𞀿
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+1E04x
| 𞁀
| 𞁁
| 𞁂
| 𞁃
| 𞁄
| 𞁅
| 𞁆
| 𞁇
| 𞁈
| 𞁉
| 𞁊
| 𞁋
| 𞁌
| 𞁍
| 𞁎
| 𞁏
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+1E05x
| 𞁐
| 𞁑
| 𞁒
| 𞁓
| 𞁔
| 𞁕
| 𞁖
| 𞁗
| 𞁘
| 𞁙
| 𞁚
| 𞁛
| 𞁜
| 𞁝
| 𞁞
| 𞁟
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+1E06x
| 𞁠
| 𞁡
| 𞁢
| 𞁣
| 𞁤
| 𞁥
| 𞁦
| 𞁧
| 𞁨
| 𞁩
| 𞁪
| 𞁫
| 𞁬
| 𞁭
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SCRIPT A&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁮
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SCRIPT A&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁯
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+1E07x
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SPLIT BY MIDDLE RING GHE&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁰
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SPLIT BY MIDDLE RING GHE&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁱
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER JE WITH INVERTED BELT&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁲
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER JE WITH INVERTED BELT&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁳
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER BYELORUSSIAN-UKRAINIAN I WITH CURVE AT BOTTOM&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁴
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER BYELORUSSIAN-UKRAINIAN I WITH CURVE AT BOTTOM&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁵
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER OPEN AT BOTTOM O&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁶
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER OPEN AT BOTTOM O&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁷
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER OPEN AT LEFT O&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁸
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER OPEN AT LEFT O&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁹
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER LONG ES&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁺
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER LONG ES&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁻
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SCRIPT U&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁼
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SCRIPT U&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁽
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER BASHKIR HA&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁾
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER BASHKIR HA&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁿
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+1E08x
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SHHA WITH HIGH RIGHT BREVE SERIF&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂀
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SHHA WITH HIGH RIGHT BREVE SERIF&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂁
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SHHA WITH CIL TOP&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂂
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SHHA WITH CIL TOP&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂃
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER DJE WITH HIGH RIGHT BREVE SERIF&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂄
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SHHA WITH HOOK&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂅
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SHHA WITH HOOK&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂆
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER KA WITH LOOP&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂇
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER KA WITH LOOP&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂈
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ENLARGED SMALL QA&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂉
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER CIL&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂊
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER CIL&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂋
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER CIL WITH BAR&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂌
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER CIL WITH BAR&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂍
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER TSE WITH LONG LEFT LEG&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂎
| 𞂏
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+1E09x
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER TSE WITH LONG LEFT LEG&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂐
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER CHAR&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂑
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER CHAR&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂒
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER CHAR WITH HIGH RIGHT BREVE SERIF&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂓
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER GHAD&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂔
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER GHAD&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂕
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER CURLED ROUNDTOP EL&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂖
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER CURLED ROUNDTOP EL&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂗
| colspan=&quot;8&quot; title=&quot;Reserved&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#C0E0FF;&quot; |
|}
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&lt;span class=&quot;ext-gadget-alphabet-enable&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;{{Legenda|#ddf|Комбинујуче симболы}}{{Legenda|#ccc|Позиције некириличных симболов}}{{Legenda|#C0E0FF|Зарезервоване кодове позиције}}{{Legenda|#aea|Зарезервоване кодове позиције, кторе будут в једној из слєдујучих версиј}}{{Legenda|#eea|Зарезервоване кодове позиције, кторе были прєдложене в поданјах, але јешче не были разрєшене}}&lt;/span&gt;

== Източникы ==
{{Iztočniky}}

== Внєшње линкы ==
{{Prěvod|en|Cyrillic script|revizija=834377952}}

{{Slovjanske jezyky}}
{{Kirilica}}

[[Kategorija:Кирилица| ]]
[[Kategorija:Алфабеты]]
[[Kategorija:Словјанска култура]]

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'''Кирилица''' ({{Lang|en|[[ISO 15924]]}}: {{-|Cyrl}}, {{-|Cyrs}}) јест [[писмо]], кторо користаје се дља разных алфабетов в [[Европа|Европє]] и [[Азија|Азији]] (особливо в [[Возходна Европа|Возходној Европє]], на Кавказу, в Централној и Сєверној Азији). Оно было основано на [[Старокириличскы алфабет|старокириличском алфабету]], кторы был створјены в 9. столєтју в [[Преславска книжна школа|Преславској книжној школє]] (Прво Булгарско царство).&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/?id=J-H9BTVHKRMC&amp;pg=PR3-IA34&amp;lpg=PR3-IA34&amp;dq=The+Orthodox+Church+in+the+Byzantine+Empire+Cyrillic+preslav+eastern#v=onepage&amp;q=%20preslav%20eastern&amp;f=false|chapter= The Orthodox Church in the Byzantine Empire|title=Oxford History of the Christian Church|author= J. M. Hussey, Andrew Louth|publisher= Oxford University Press|year= 2010|isbn=0-19-161488-2|pages= 100|language=en}}&lt;/ref&gt; Кирилица користаје се в азбуках православных [[Словјани|словјанскых]] народов и несловјанскых народов, кторе имајут влив Русского језыка. С приступјеньа [[Булгарија|Булгарије]] в [[Европејскы сојуз]] 1 јануарьа 2007 рока кирилица стала третјим официалным писмом Европејского сојуза, после [[Латиница|латинице]] и [[Гречска азбука|гречској азбукы]].&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web|author1=Leonard Orban|title=Cyrillic, the third official alphabet of the EU, was created by a truly multilingual European|url=http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_SPEECH-07-330_en.pdf|website=europe.eu|accessdate=2014-08-03|date=2007-05-24|language=en}}&lt;/ref&gt;

Кирилица была изведена из гречского унцијалного писма с вливом букв из [[Глаголица|глаголицы]], вкључајучи лигатуры. Тамте додаточне буквы были користајемы дља [[Староцрковнословјанскы језык|староцрковнословјанскых]] звуков, кторых не было в гречском језыку. Писмо јест названо в чест [[Кирил и Методиј|Кирила и Методија]], ктори создали глаголицу. Модерне учени мнет, что кирилица была создана и формализована раными учениками Кирила и Методија.

В 18. столєтју кирилица в [[Росија|Росији]] была реформована [[Пјотр Великы|Пјотром Великым]]. Новы облик букв стал ближе к латинице, были удаљене архаичне буквы и неколико букв были запројектованы лично Пјотром. Западноевропејска типографична култура была такоже принесена.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web|title=Гражданский шрифт и кириллический Киш|url=http://typejournal.ru/articles/Civil-Type|language=ru|website=Журнал «Шрифт»|accessdate=2016-03-22}}&lt;/ref&gt;

== Алфабеты ==
* [[Кириличне алфабеты]]
* [[Сравнитељна табела кириличных алфабетов]]
* [[Список језыков употрєбјајучих кирилицу]]

== Кирилица в [[Unikod|Уникоду]] (версија 17.0) ==
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| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | [https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0400.pdf U+040x]
| Ѐ
| Ё
| Ђ
| Ѓ
| Є
| Ѕ
| І
| Ї
| Ј
| Љ
| Њ
| Ћ
| Ќ
| Ѝ
| Ў
| Џ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+041x
| А
| Б
| В
| Г
| Д
| Е
| Ж
| З
| И
| Й
| К
| Л
| М
| Н
| О
| П
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+042x
| Р
| С
| Т
| У
| Ф
| Х
| Ц
| Ч
| Ш
| Щ
| Ъ
| Ы
| Ь
| Э
| Ю
| Я
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+043x
| а
| б
| в
| г
| д
| е
| ж
| з
| и
| й
| к
| л
| м
| н
| о
| п
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+044x
| р
| с
| т
| у
| ф
| х
| ц
| ч
| ш
| щ
| ъ
| ы
| ь
| э
| ю
| я
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+045x
| ѐ
| ё
| ђ
| ѓ
| є
| ѕ
| і
| ї
| ј
| љ
| њ
| ћ
| ќ
| ѝ
| ў
| џ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+046x
| Ѡ
| ѡ
| Ѣ
| ѣ
| Ѥ
| ѥ
| Ѧ
| ѧ
| Ѩ
| ѩ
| Ѫ
| ѫ
| Ѭ
| ѭ
| Ѯ
| ѯ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+047x
| Ѱ
| ѱ
| Ѳ
| ѳ
| Ѵ
| ѵ
| Ѷ
| ѷ
| Ѹ
| ѹ
| Ѻ
| ѻ
| Ѽ
| ѽ
| Ѿ
| ѿ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+048x
| Ҁ
| ҁ
| ҂
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ҃
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ҄
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ҅
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ҆
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ҇
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ҈
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ҉
| Ҋ
| ҋ
| Ҍ
| ҍ
| Ҏ
| ҏ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+049x
| Ґ
| ґ
| Ғ
| ғ
| Ҕ
| ҕ
| Җ
| җ
| Ҙ
| ҙ
| Қ
| қ
| Ҝ
| ҝ
| Ҟ
| ҟ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+04Ax
| Ҡ
| ҡ
| Ң
| ң
| Ҥ
| ҥ
| Ҧ
| ҧ
| Ҩ
| ҩ
| Ҫ
| ҫ
| Ҭ
| ҭ
| Ү
| ү
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+04Bx
| Ұ
| ұ
| Ҳ
| ҳ
| Ҵ
| ҵ
| Ҷ
| ҷ
| Ҹ
| ҹ
| Һ
| һ
| Ҽ
| ҽ
| Ҿ
| ҿ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+04Cx
| Ӏ
| Ӂ
| ӂ
| Ӄ
| ӄ
| Ӆ
| ӆ
| Ӈ
| ӈ
| Ӊ
| ӊ
| Ӌ
| ӌ
| Ӎ
| ӎ
| ӏ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+04Dx
| Ӑ
| ӑ
| Ӓ
| ӓ
| Ӕ
| ӕ
| Ӗ
| ӗ
| Ә
| ә
| Ӛ
| ӛ
| Ӝ
| ӝ
| Ӟ
| ӟ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+04Ex
| Ӡ
| ӡ
| Ӣ
| ӣ
| Ӥ
| ӥ
| Ӧ
| ӧ
| Ө
| ө
| Ӫ
| ӫ
| Ӭ
| ӭ
| Ӯ
| ӯ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+04Fx
| Ӱ
| ӱ
| Ӳ
| ӳ
| Ӵ
| ӵ
| Ӷ
| ӷ
| Ӹ
| ӹ
| Ӻ
| ӻ
| Ӽ
| ӽ
| Ӿ
| ӿ
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| Ԁ
| ԁ
| Ԃ
| ԃ
| Ԅ
| ԅ
| Ԇ
| ԇ
| Ԉ
| ԉ
| Ԋ
| ԋ
| Ԍ
| ԍ
| Ԏ
| ԏ
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| Ԑ
| ԑ
| Ԓ
| ԓ
| Ԕ
| ԕ
| Ԗ
| ԗ
| Ԙ
| ԙ
| Ԛ
| ԛ
| Ԝ
| ԝ
| Ԟ
| ԟ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+052x
| Ԡ
| ԡ
| Ԣ
| ԣ
| Ԥ
| ԥ
| Ԧ
| ԧ
| Ԩ
| ԩ
| Ԫ
| ԫ
| Ԭ
| ԭ
| Ԯ
| ԯ
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| ᲀ
| ᲁ
| ᲂ
| ᲃ
| ᲄ
| ᲅ
| ᲆ
| ᲇ
| ᲈ
| Ᲊ
| ᲊ
| title=&quot; CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER YERU WITH CONNECTING BAR&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#cfc;&quot; | ᲋
| colspan=&quot;4&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#C0E0FF;&quot; |
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| colspan=&quot;11&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#CCCCCC;&quot; |
| ᴫ
| colspan=&quot;4&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#CCCCCC;&quot; |
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+1D7x
| colspan=&quot;8&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#CCCCCC;&quot; |
| ᵸ
| colspan=&quot;7&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#CCCCCC;&quot; |
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| ⃝
| colspan=&quot;2&quot; title=&quot;Non-Cyrillic&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#CCCCCC;&quot; |
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| ⷠ
| ⷡ
| ⷢ
| ⷣ
| ⷤ
| ⷥ
| ⷦ
| ⷧ
| ⷨ
| ⷩ
| ⷪ
| ⷫ
| ⷬ
| ⷭ
| ⷮ
| ⷯ
|- style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot;
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+2DFx
| ⷰ
| ⷱ
| ⷲ
| ⷳ
| ⷴ
| ⷵ
| ⷶ
| ⷷ
| ⷸ
| ⷹ
| ⷺ
| ⷻ
| ⷼ
| ⷽ
| ⷾ
| ⷿ
|-
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| Ꙁ
| ꙁ
| Ꙃ
| ꙃ
| Ꙅ
| ꙅ
| Ꙇ
| ꙇ
| Ꙉ
| ꙉ
| Ꙋ
| ꙋ
| Ꙍ
| ꙍ
| Ꙏ
| ꙏ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+A65x
| Ꙑ
| ꙑ
| Ꙓ
| ꙓ
| Ꙕ
| ꙕ
| Ꙗ
| ꙗ
| Ꙙ
| ꙙ
| Ꙛ
| ꙛ
| Ꙝ
| ꙝ
| Ꙟ
| ꙟ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+A66x
| Ꙡ
| ꙡ
| Ꙣ
| ꙣ
| Ꙥ
| ꙥ
| Ꙧ
| ꙧ
| Ꙩ
| ꙩ
| Ꙫ
| ꙫ
| Ꙭ
| ꙭ
| ꙮ
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙯
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+A67x
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙰
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙱
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙲
| ꙳
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙴ
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙵ
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙶ
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙷ
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙸ
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙹ
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙺ
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙻ
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙼
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꙽
| ꙾
| ꙿ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+A68x
| Ꚁ
| ꚁ
| Ꚃ
| ꚃ
| Ꚅ
| ꚅ
| Ꚇ
| ꚇ
| Ꚉ
| ꚉ
| Ꚋ
| ꚋ
| Ꚍ
| ꚍ
| Ꚏ
| ꚏ
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+A69x
| Ꚑ
| ꚑ
| Ꚓ
| ꚓ
| Ꚕ
| ꚕ
| Ꚗ
| ꚗ
| Ꚙ
| ꚙ
| Ꚛ
| ꚛ
| ꚜ
| ꚝ
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꚞ
| style=&quot;background-color:#eef;&quot; | ꚟ
|-
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| ᲀ
| ᲁ
| ᲂ
| ᲃ
| ᲄ
| ᲅ
| ᲆ
| ᲇ
| ᲈ
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER TJE&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#aea;&quot; | Ᲊ
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER TJE&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#aea;&quot; | ᲊ
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER CHE WITH HOOK&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | ᲋
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER CHE WITH HOOK&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | ᲌
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ZHE WITH STROKE&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | ᲍
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER ZHE WITH STROKE&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | ᲎
| title=&quot;Reserved&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#C0E0FF;&quot; |
|-
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| 𞀰
| 𞀱
| 𞀲
| 𞀳
| 𞀴
| 𞀵
| 𞀶
| 𞀷
| 𞀸
| 𞀹
| 𞀺
| 𞀻
| 𞀼
| 𞀽
| 𞀾
| 𞀿
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+1E04x
| 𞁀
| 𞁁
| 𞁂
| 𞁃
| 𞁄
| 𞁅
| 𞁆
| 𞁇
| 𞁈
| 𞁉
| 𞁊
| 𞁋
| 𞁌
| 𞁍
| 𞁎
| 𞁏
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+1E05x
| 𞁐
| 𞁑
| 𞁒
| 𞁓
| 𞁔
| 𞁕
| 𞁖
| 𞁗
| 𞁘
| 𞁙
| 𞁚
| 𞁛
| 𞁜
| 𞁝
| 𞁞
| 𞁟
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+1E06x
| 𞁠
| 𞁡
| 𞁢
| 𞁣
| 𞁤
| 𞁥
| 𞁦
| 𞁧
| 𞁨
| 𞁩
| 𞁪
| 𞁫
| 𞁬
| 𞁭
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SCRIPT A&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁮
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SCRIPT A&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁯
|-
| style=&quot;background: #f8f8f8; font-size: small&quot; | U+1E07x
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SPLIT BY MIDDLE RING GHE&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁰
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SPLIT BY MIDDLE RING GHE&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁱
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER JE WITH INVERTED BELT&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁲
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER JE WITH INVERTED BELT&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁳
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER BYELORUSSIAN-UKRAINIAN I WITH CURVE AT BOTTOM&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁴
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER BYELORUSSIAN-UKRAINIAN I WITH CURVE AT BOTTOM&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁵
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER OPEN AT BOTTOM O&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁶
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER OPEN AT BOTTOM O&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁷
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER OPEN AT LEFT O&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁸
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER OPEN AT LEFT O&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁹
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER LONG ES&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁺
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER LONG ES&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁻
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SCRIPT U&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁼
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SCRIPT U&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁽
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER BASHKIR HA&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁾
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER BASHKIR HA&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞁿
|-
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| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SHHA WITH HIGH RIGHT BREVE SERIF&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂀
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SHHA WITH HIGH RIGHT BREVE SERIF&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂁
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SHHA WITH CIL TOP&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂂
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SHHA WITH CIL TOP&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂃
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER DJE WITH HIGH RIGHT BREVE SERIF&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂄
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SHHA WITH HOOK&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂅
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SHHA WITH HOOK&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂆
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER KA WITH LOOP&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂇
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER KA WITH LOOP&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂈
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ENLARGED SMALL QA&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂉
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER CIL&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂊
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER CIL&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂋
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER CIL WITH BAR&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂌
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER CIL WITH BAR&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂍
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER TSE WITH LONG LEFT LEG&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂎
| 𞂏
|-
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| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER TSE WITH LONG LEFT LEG&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂐
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER CHAR&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂑
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER CHAR&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂒
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER CHAR WITH HIGH RIGHT BREVE SERIF&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂓
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER GHAD&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂔
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER GHAD&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂕
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER CURLED ROUNDTOP EL&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂖
| title=&quot;CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER CURLED ROUNDTOP EL&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#eea;&quot; | 𞂗
| colspan=&quot;8&quot; title=&quot;Reserved&quot; style=&quot;background-color:#C0E0FF;&quot; |
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      <text bytes="7015" sha1="mcu4udpkiyqbqcvghyv8vm2tqnhf6en" xml:space="preserve">'''Комикс''' ({{Jezyky|en|comic}} — смєшны) јест рысована повєдка. Он обсегаје литерарну и изобразителну умєтност.&lt;ref name=&quot;understanding&quot;&gt;{{Cite web |title=Скотт МакКлауд. «Суть Комикса» |url=http://understanding-comics.ru/ |access-date=2013-07-17 |archive-date=2013-07-20 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20130720140539/http://understanding-comics.ru/ |url-status=dead }}&lt;/ref&gt;

== Етимологија == 

Часом, на англијском језыке (и иних језыках) слова означајучи комикс из иных култур изкорыстајут се дља означенја комиксов из тых култур. Наприклад слово манга дља јапонскых комиков и ''{{-|bandes dessinées}}'' дља франко-белгијскых комиков.&lt;ref&gt;McKinney, 2011. стр. xiii&lt;/ref&gt;

На многых језыках свєта, наприклад на словјанскых (с изкљученјем србохрватского), нємечском ({{-|Comic}}) и тако даље слово комикс произтєка од англиского слова ''{{-|comic}}''.

Слово стрип в србохрватском произтєка од англиского слова ''{{-|strip}}'' како в изразу ''{{-|comic strip}}'' (тип комиксов, популарны в {{-|XIX-XX}} столєтјах).

== Хисторија ==

&lt;gallery caption=&quot;Рани приклады комиксов&quot; mode=&quot;packed&quot; heights=&quot;200&quot;&gt;

Manga Hokusai.jpg|[[Манга]], [[Катсушика Хокусај]] (XIX вєк)&lt;!-- have to find the date for this example --&gt;
Toepffer Cryptogame 13.png|''Histoire de Monsieur Cryptogame'', Родолв Топффер (1830)
Yellow Kid 1898-01-09.jpg|''Жолто Дєте'', Ричард Ф. Аутклод (1898)

&lt;/gallery&gt;

Традиције комиксов в Европє, Америкє и [[Манга|Јапонији]] имали разни путе.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.imageandnarrative.be/inarchive/narratology/chriscouch.htm The Publication and Formats of Comics, Graphic Novels, and Tankobon] by Chris Couch. Image Narrative, December 2000 (issn1780-678X), [https://web.archive.org/web/20131104223730/http://www.imageandnarrative.be/inarchive/narratology/chriscouch.htm archived].&lt;/ref&gt; Европєјску традицију комиксов је почел Швејцарец Родолф Топффер ({{-|Rodolphe Töpffer}}) в року 1827. Првы комикс в Америке је был Жолто Дєте ({{-|The Yellow Kid}}) Ричарда Ф. Аутколта ({{-|Richard F. Outcault}}) опубликованы в 1890-х в газетє. Кромє того, Рудолф Диркс, имигровавши из Нємцији в США је пустил комикс Катзенджамерскы Дєти ({{-|The Katzenjammer Kids}}) под вливом Вилхелма Буша ({{-|Wilhelm Busch}}).&lt;ref&gt;{{cite web | url=https://www.thegermanprofessor.com/max-und-moritz/ | title=8 Things about Max und Moritz | date=30 March 2015 }}&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;{{cite web | url=https://www.dw.com/en/max-and-moritz-how-germanys-naughtiest-boys-rose-to-global-fame/a-18808584 | title=Max and Moritz: How Germany's naughtiest boys rose to fame – DW – 10/27/2015 | website=[[Deutsche Welle]] }}&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;{{cite web | url=https://www.outdooractive.com/en/story/harz/the-original-story-of-max-and-moritz/28754663/ | title=The original story of Max and Moritz }}&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;{{cite web | url=https://www.toonsmag.com/max-and-moritz/ | title=Max and Moritz: A Tale of Mischief and Influence - Toons Mag | date=8 October 2023 }}&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv; Beerbohm, 2003; Sabin, 2005. стр. 186; Rowland, 1990. стр. 13.&lt;/ref&gt; В Јапонији је была долга традиција сатиричного маљеванја до Другој Сусветној Војны. Слово манга ({{-|漫画}}) на јапонском језыку означаје комикс. То слово је было популаризовано в {{-|XIX}} столєтју извєстным маљарем жанра укијо-е [[Кацушика Хокусај|Хокусајем]].&lt;ref&gt;Petersen, 2010. стр. 41; Power, 2009. стр. 24; Gravett, 2004. стр. 9.&lt;/ref&gt;

Покромє, нєкторы теоретикы и хисторикы указывајут на приклады како изображенја в јамє Ласко во Францији,&lt;ref&gt;Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv; Barker, 1989. стр. 6; Groensteen, 2014; Grove, 2010. стр. 59; Beaty, 2012; Jobs, 2012. стр. 98.&lt;/ref&gt; египтскы хиероглифы, Тројанску колону в Риму,&lt;ref&gt;Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv&lt;/ref&gt; Нормаскы гобелен Бајо {{-|XI}} столєтја,&lt;ref&gt;Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv; Beaty, 2012. стр. 61; Grove, 2010. стр. 16, 21, 59.&lt;/ref&gt; дрєвєны блок Прота (1370), ''умєтност смрти'' ({{-|Ars moriendi}}) и ксилографику, ''Судны Дењ'' Микеланджело, гравјуры Вилјама Хогарта ({{-|William Hogarth}}) {{-|XVIII}} столєтја&lt;ref&gt;Grove, 2010. стр. 79&lt;/ref&gt; и тако даље,&lt;ref&gt;Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv&lt;/ref&gt; ако на прєдтече комиксов.

Комиксовыј сериал Пригоды Тинтина ({{-|Les Aventures de Tintin}}) кторы је почел публиковати се в року 1929 в Белгији је играл значиму рољу в франкско-белгијској традицији комиксов.&lt;ref&gt;Theobald, 2004. стр. 82; Screech, 2005. стр. 48; McKinney, 2011. стр. 3.&lt;/ref&gt;

В 1930-х роках в США је возникнул формат именованы ''{{-|comic books}}''. В початку јего изкорыстовывли дља прєпечатарства стрипов кторы уж је были напечатаны в газетах. В концу тогоже десетилєтја оригиналны публикације сут стали бољшестју.&lt;ref&gt;Rhoades, 2008. стр. 2&lt;/ref&gt; Успєх магазина ''{{-|Action Comics}}'' и јего персонажа Супермена в року 1938 считывајемы початком Златој Добы Комиксов. Оногды суперхеројскы комиксы сут играли значиму рољу.&lt;ref&gt;Rhoades, 2008. стр. х&lt;/ref&gt;

По [[Druga světova vojna|другој свєтовој војны]] популарност суперхеројскых комиксов је попустила се.&lt;ref&gt;Rhoades, 2008. стр. 51&lt;/ref&gt;

== Източникы ==
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== Етимологија == 

Часом, на англијском језыке (и иних језыках) слова означајучи комикс из иных култур изкорыстајут се дља означенја комиксов из тых култур. Наприклад слово манга дља јапонскых комиков и ''{{-|bandes dessinées}}'' дља франко-белгијскых комиков.&lt;ref&gt;McKinney, 2011. стр. xiii&lt;/ref&gt;

На многых језыках свєта, наприклад на словјанскых (с изкљученјем србохрватского), нємечском ({{-|Comic}}) и тако даље слово комикс произтєка од англиского слова ''{{-|comic}}''.

Слово стрип в србохрватском произтєка од англиского слова ''{{-|strip}}'' како в изразу ''{{-|comic strip}}'' (тип комиксов, популарны в {{-|XIX-XX}} столєтјах).

== Хисторија ==

&lt;gallery caption=&quot;Рани приклады комиксов&quot; mode=&quot;packed&quot; heights=&quot;200&quot;&gt;

Manga Hokusai.jpg|[[Манга]], [[Катсушика Хокусај]] (XIX вєк)&lt;!-- have to find the date for this example --&gt;
Toepffer Cryptogame 13.png|''Histoire de Monsieur Cryptogame'', Родолв Топффер (1830)
Yellow Kid 1898-01-09.jpg|''Жолто Дєте'', Ричард Ф. Аутклод (1898)

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Традиције комиксов в Европє, Америкє и [[Манга|Јапонији]] имали разни путе.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.imageandnarrative.be/inarchive/narratology/chriscouch.htm The Publication and Formats of Comics, Graphic Novels, and Tankobon] by Chris Couch. Image Narrative, December 2000 (issn1780-678X), [https://web.archive.org/web/20131104223730/http://www.imageandnarrative.be/inarchive/narratology/chriscouch.htm archived].&lt;/ref&gt; Европєјску традицију комиксов је почел Швејцарец Родолф Топффер ({{-|Rodolphe Töpffer}}) в року 1827. Првы комикс в Америке је был Жолто Дєте ({{-|The Yellow Kid}}) Ричарда Ф. Аутколта ({{-|Richard F. Outcault}}) опубликованы в 1890-х в газетє. Кромє того, Рудолф Диркс, имигровавши из Нємцији в США је пустил комикс Катзенджамерскы Дєти ({{-|The Katzenjammer Kids}}) под вливом Вилхелма Буша ({{-|Wilhelm Busch}}).&lt;ref&gt;{{cite web | url=https://www.thegermanprofessor.com/max-und-moritz/ | title=8 Things about Max und Moritz | date=30 March 2015 }}&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;{{cite web | url=https://www.dw.com/en/max-and-moritz-how-germanys-naughtiest-boys-rose-to-global-fame/a-18808584 | title=Max and Moritz: How Germany's naughtiest boys rose to fame – DW – 10/27/2015 | website=[[Deutsche Welle]] }}&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;{{cite web | url=https://www.outdooractive.com/en/story/harz/the-original-story-of-max-and-moritz/28754663/ | title=The original story of Max and Moritz }}&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;{{cite web | url=https://www.toonsmag.com/max-and-moritz/ | title=Max and Moritz: A Tale of Mischief and Influence - Toons Mag | date=8 October 2023 }}&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv; Beerbohm, 2003; Sabin, 2005. стр. 186; Rowland, 1990. стр. 13.&lt;/ref&gt; В Јапонији је была долга традиција сатиричного маљеванја до Другој Сусветној Војны. Слово манга ({{-|漫画}}) на јапонском језыку означаје комикс. То слово је было популаризовано в {{-|XIX}} столєтју извєстным маљарем жанра укијо-е [[Кацушика Хокусај|Хокусајем]].&lt;ref&gt;Petersen, 2010. стр. 41; Power, 2009. стр. 24; Gravett, 2004. стр. 9.&lt;/ref&gt;

Покромє, нєкторы теоретикы и хисторикы указывајут на приклады како изображенја в јамє Ласко во Францији,&lt;ref&gt;Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv; Barker, 1989. стр. 6; Groensteen, 2014; Grove, 2010. стр. 59; Beaty, 2012; Jobs, 2012. стр. 98.&lt;/ref&gt; египтскы хиероглифы, Тројанску колону в Риму,&lt;ref&gt;Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv&lt;/ref&gt; Нормаскы гобелен Бајо {{-|XI}} столєтја,&lt;ref&gt;Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv; Beaty, 2012. стр. 61; Grove, 2010. стр. 16, 21, 59.&lt;/ref&gt; дрєвєны блок Прота (1370), ''умєтност смрти'' ({{-|Ars moriendi}}) и ксилографику, ''Судны Дењ'' Микеланджело, гравјуры Вилјама Хогарта ({{-|William Hogarth}}) {{-|XVIII}} столєтја&lt;ref&gt;Grove, 2010. стр. 79&lt;/ref&gt; и тако даље,&lt;ref&gt;Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv&lt;/ref&gt; ако на прєдтече комиксов.

Комиксовыј сериал Пригоды Тинтина ({{-|Les Aventures de Tintin}}) кторы је почел публиковати се в року 1929 в Белгији је играл значиму рољу в франкско-белгијској традицији комиксов.&lt;ref&gt;Theobald, 2004. стр. 82; Screech, 2005. стр. 48; McKinney, 2011. стр. 3.&lt;/ref&gt;

В 1930-х роках в США је возникнул формат именованы ''{{-|comic books}}''. В початку јего изкорыстовывли дља прєпечатарства стрипов кторы уж је были напечатаны в газетах. В концу тогоже десетилєтја оригиналны публикације сут стали бољшестју.&lt;ref&gt;Rhoades, 2008. стр. 2&lt;/ref&gt; Успєх магазина ''{{-|Action Comics}}'' и јего персонажа Супермена в року 1938 считывајемы початком Златој Добы Комиксов. Оногды суперхеројскы комиксы сут играли значиму рољу.&lt;ref&gt;Rhoades, 2008. стр. х&lt;/ref&gt;

По [[Druga světova vojna|другој свєтовој војны]] популарност суперхеројскых комиксов је попустила се.&lt;ref&gt;Rhoades, 2008. стр. 51&lt;/ref&gt; Меджучасно обча продаж комиксов је израстла благодаре жанрам романтикы, вестерна, прєступного, ужаса и хумора.&lt;ref&gt;Rhoades, 2008. стр. 49&lt;/ref&gt;

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== Kako prěvoditi na slovjanske jezyky ==
Конструкции со счётными суффиксами можно разделить на три группы в зависимости от того, как они переводятся на русский язык.

# Конструкции с суффиксами, являющимися единицами измерения (времени, температуры) или представляющие собой слова, которые обозначают объекты (остров, страна, этаж и т. п.), как правило, переводятся с использованием соответствующего слова в родительном падеже («посетил три страны», «температура 16 градусов», «исполнилось 20 лет», «пятый этаж») или с образованием сложносоставного прилагательного («семилетний ребёнок», «пятиминутный перерыв», «трёхэтажный дом»). Носитель русского языка даже может не воспринимать эти суффиксы как особенность японского языка, поскольку их употребление близко к соответствующим конструкциям в его родном языке.
# Конструкции с суффиксами, употребляющимися с несчётными (в русском языке) существительными, тоже выглядят для носителей русского языка естественно. В разговорном русском допустимо говорить «дайте три молока и два сока», однако в грамотной речи и на письме необходимо уточнение, например, «три бутылки молока и два пакета сока». Поэтому японские счётные суффиксы, употребляющиеся с несчётными существительными, переводятся на русский естественным образом («два рулона обоев», «чашка чая»).
# Наиболее сложны для понимания конструкции, в которых счётные суффиксы используются со счётными существительными. Например, выражение «в семье три ребёнка» в японском языке будет содержать не только слово «ребёнок», но и счётный суффикс для обозначения людей: «детей в семье три человека». Аналогично, нельзя сказать «я купил три яблока», обязательно требуется счётный суффикс для обозначения мелких предметов: «я купил яблок три штуки». В большинстве же случаев японские конструкции и вовсе невозможно точно передать по-русски с указанием на существование счётного суффикса.

== Употребление == 
В японском языке конструкции с использованием количественных [[числительное|числительных]] могут строиться по нижеследующим схемам.
* Первая схема: ''количество + суффикс —'' の ''(но) — предмет'', например:
:一本 — の — 鉛筆: иппон-но эмпицу, один карандаш;
:八歳 — の — 娘: хассай-но мусумэ, восьмилетняя девочка.

В данных примерах идентичные в японском языке конструкции передаются при переводе совершенно по-разному.

* Вторая схема: '' предмет — частица связи с глаголом — количество + суффикс — глагол'', например:
:鉛筆 — を — 三本 — 買いました: эмпицу-о санбон каймасита, купил три карандаша.
:八歳の娘 — が — 三人 — います: хассай-но мусумэ-га саннин имасу, присутствуют три восьмилетних девочки.

При выборе суффикса учитывается не только фактическая принадлежность к классу вещей («круглые предметы» или «животные»), но и форма.
* «один плывущий тунец» — {{Nihongo|''иппики'' но магуро|一匹の鮪||считается на «головы скота»}},
* «один выловленный тунец» — {{Nihongo|''иппон'' но магуро|一本の鮪||считается на «цилиндрические предметы»}},
* «одна тушка тунца без головы и кожи» — {{Nihongo|''иттё:'' но магуро|一丁の鮪||считается на «порции»}},
* «один кусок тунца» — {{Nihongo|''хитокатамари'' но магуро|一塊の鮪||считается на «куски»}},
* «тонкий ломтик тунца в упаковке» — {{Nihongo|''хитосаку'' но магуро|一冊の鮪||считается на «полоски»}},
* «отрезанный кусочек мяса тунца, готовый к употреблению» — {{Nihongo|''хитокирэ'' но магуро|一切れの鮪||считается на «кусочки»}}.

== Список счётных суффиксов ==
В примерах выше используются суффиксы 本 («хон», иногда произносится как «пон» или «бон»), 歳 («сай») и 人 («нин»). Наиболее употребительные суффиксы приведены в таблице:

{|class = wikitable
!Кандзи
!Хирагана
!Киридзи
!Применение
!Пример
|-
|個
|こ
|ко
|мелкие предметы, не входящие в другие категории, в том числе плоды, монеты и др.
|хак'''ко'''-но ринго (восемь яблок)
|-
|本
|ほん, ぼん, ぽん
|хон, бон, пон
|длинные цилиндрические предметы: деревья и цветы, ручки и карандаши, продолговатые фрукты и овощи, зонты;&lt;br /&gt;кинофильмы; схватки в единоборствах; автобусы; составы поездов
|роп'''пон'''-но банана (шесть бананов)
|-
|枚
|まい
|май
|плоские предметы: листы и листья, картины и фотографии без рамки, тарелки, доски, сложенная или висящая одежда
|ити'''май'''-но тикэтто (один билет)
|-
|人
|にん
|нин
|люди
|нидзю'''нин'''-но гакусэй (двадцать студентов)
|-
|か月
|かげつ
|кагэцу
|периоды времени, выраженные в месяцах
|росиа-ни сан-'''кагэцу''' имасита (три месяца провёл в России)
|-
|月
|がつ
|гацу
|для названий месяцев
|го'''гацу'''-ни (в мае; го'''гацу''' — пятый месяц)
|-
|時
|じ
|дзи
|для счёта часов
|има ё'''дзи''' дэс (сейчас четыре часа)
|-
|台
|だい
|дай
|для счёта больших предметов, техники
|курума га ни'''дай''' аримасу ([у меня] две машины)
|-
|羽
|わ
|ва
|для счёта птиц и кроликов
|ути дэ тори о ни'''ва''' каимасу (дома держу двух птиц)
|-
|晩
|ばん
|бан
|для счёта вечеров, ночей
|
|-
|度
|ど
|до
|для счёта разов, повторов, событий
|мо: ити'''до''' ёндэ кудасай (прочтите ещё [один] раз)
|-
|日
|か
|ка
|для названий 2—10 дней месяца, также периодов от 2 до 10 дней
|гогацу коконо-'''ка''' (Девятое Мая)
|-
|代
|だい
|дай
|для счёта эпох и поколений
|
|-
|名
|めい
|мэй
|вежливый суффикс для счёта людей (см. также '''нин''')
|
|-
|年
|ねん
|нэн
|для счёта лет
|Киссатэн-дэ ити'''нэн''' хатаракимасита (год работал в кафе)
|-
|尾
|び
|би
|для счета рыб
|
|-
|杯
|はい
|хай
|для счета чашечек (сакэ, чай), также для счета осьминогов, кальмаров
|
|-
|}

Следующие суффиксы тоже регулярно встречаются в речи японцев:
{|class = wikitable
!Кандзи
!Хирагана
!Киридзи
!Применение
|-
|発
|はつ
|хацу
|для счёта выстрелов и ударов
|-
|冊
|さつ
|сацу
|для счёта книг
|-
|門
|もん
|мон
|для счёта пушек
|-
|部
|ぶ
|бу
|для счёта копий бумаг
|-
|頭
|とう
|то:
|для крупных животных
|-
|課
|か
|ка
|для счёта занятий, уроков
|-
|品
|ひん
|хин
|для счёта блюд
|-
|通
|つう
|цу:
|для счёта документов, писем; способов, сортов
|-
|回
|かい
|кай
|для счёта разов
|-
|対
|つい
|цуй
|для счёта наборов
|-
|歩
|ほ
|хо
|для счёта шагов
|-
|畳
|じょう
|дзё:
|для счёта площади по количеству [[татами]]
|-
|艘
|そう
|со:
|для счёта маленьких лодок
|-
|俵
|ひょう
|хё:
|для счёта сумок
|}

Без суффиксов могут употребляться только десять исконно [[Японские цифры#Японские цифры|японских числительных]], оканчивающихся на -цу (хитоцу, футацу, мицу…).

: 二つ | の | 桜ん坊 
: футацу| но | сакурамбо
: две | вишенки
вместо:
: 二 | 個 | の | 桜ん坊
: ни | ко | но | сакурамбо
: две | штуки | вишенки

== Вопросительные местоимения ==
[[Вопросительные местоимения]] в японском языке столь же разнообразны, как и счётные суффиксы, и так же зависят от того, к каким предметам относятся. В общем случае вопросительные местоимения образуются путём сложения вопросительного слова {{Nihongo|«нан»|何||''что''}} и счётного суффикса. Таким образом, вопрос «Сколько сакур растёт в саду?» может выглядеть так:
:桜の木は |  何本 | 庭に | あります |か
:сакураноки-ва | намбон | нива-ни | аримас | ка (вопросительная частица)
:вишнёвое дерево| сколько | в саду | имеется | ?
Существуют и другие вопросительные местоимения&lt;ref&gt;Вопросительные местоимения (вторая форма более вежливая):
* что — «нан»/«нани»
* кто — «дарэ»/«доната»
* где — «доко»/«дотира»
* когда — «ицу»&lt;/ref&gt;, например {{Nihongo|幾ら||икура|сколько(как дорого)}}.

== Primětky ==
{{Iztočniky}}

== Vněšnje linky ==
* {{cite web
 |url         = http://nippon.temerov.org/gramat.php?pad=counter
 |title       = Счётные суффиксы
 |lang        = ru
 |access-date  = 2010-12-25
 |archive-url  = https://web.archive.org/web/20110114103605/http://nippon.temerov.org/gramat.php?pad=counter
 |archive-date = 2011-01-14
 |url-status    = dead
}}

{{Prěvod|ru|Японские счётные суффиксы}}
{{Prěvod|en|Japanese counter word}}
[[Kategorija:Jezyk]]
[[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]]
{{INTERWIKI|Q2116774}}

{{Kartka carstvenna osoba
| name         = Napoleon Bonapart
| image        = [[Fajl:Jacques-Louis David - The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries - Google Art Project.jpg|thumb|center|''[[Imperator Napoleon v svojem kabinetu na Tuijeri]]'', Žak-Lui David (1812)]]
| alt          = Portrait of Napoleon in his late thirties, in high-ranking white and dark blue military dress uniform. In the original image he stands amid rich 18th-century furniture laden with papers, and gazes at the viewer. His hair is Brutus style, cropped close but with a short fringe in front, and his right hand is tucked in his waistcoat.
| caption      = ''[[The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries]]'', 1812
| succession   = [[Imperator francuzov]]
| reign        = 18 maja 1804 – {{nowrap|6 aprila 1814}}
| reign_type   = 1. carstvo
| cor_type     = 
| coronation   = 
| predecessor  = 
| successor    = [[Louis XVIII|Lui XVIII]]&lt;ref name=louis&gt; [[Kralj Francije]]&lt;/ref&gt;
| reign_type1  = [[Sto dnjev|2. carstvo]]
| reign1       = {{nowrap|20 mareca 1815 ― 22&amp;nbsp;junija 1815}}
| predecessor1 = 
| successor1   = {{-|Louis XVIII|Луи XVIII}}&lt;ref name=louis/&gt;
| birth_name   = {{-|Napoleone di Buonaparte}}
| birth_date   = {{Birth date|1769|8|15|df=yes}}
| birth_place  = [[Ajaccio|Ažakio]], Korsika, Francija
| death_date   = {{Death date and age|1821|5|5|1769|8|15|df=yes}}
| death_place  = [[Longwood, Saint Helena|Longvud, Sveta Helena]]
| burial_date  = 15 dekembra 1840
| burial_place = {{lang|fr|[[Les Invalides]]|italic=no}}, Pariž, Francija
| spouses      = {{plainlist|
* {{-|[[Joséphine de Beauharnais]]|[[Joséphine de Beauharnais|Жозефин де Боарне]]}}&lt;br/&gt; 9 mareca 1796 - 10 januara 1810 (anulacija)
* {{-|[[Marie Louise Avstriska]]|[[Marie Louise Avstriska|Мари-Луиз Австриjска]]}}&lt;br&gt; 11 mareca 1810 - 1814 (razvod)}}
| religion     = 
| regnal_name  = 
| issue        = 
| issue_link   = #Children
| issue_pipe   = vyše...
| full_name    = 
| house        = 
| father       = 
| mother       = 
| signature    = [[Fajl:Firma Napoleón Bonaparte.svg|center|200px]]
}}


=== Související články ===
* [[Přívozská halda]]
* [[Halda Hrabůvka]]
* [[Halda Heřmanice]]

Tuto jest peskovišče.

[[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]]

'''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}})


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== Referencije ==
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{{Iztočniky}}
&lt;/div&gt;

{{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}}
[[Kategorija:Jezyk]]
{{INTERWIKI|Q5287}}

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'''{{-|П}}''', '''{{-|п}}''' (''pe'') jest bukva [[Kirilica|kiriličnoj azbuky]], ktora označaje bezzvučny bilabialny eksplosiv {{MFA|p}} ili, medžu drugymi v [[Russky jezyk|russkom]] jezyku, {{MFA|pʲ}} prěd [[Palatalizacija|palatalizujučeju]] samoglaskoju. V [[Medžuslovjanske alfabety|medžuslovjanskoj kiriličnoj azbukě]] ona zajmaje dvadeseto město, poslě '''{{-|[[О (kirilica)|о]]}}''' i prěd '''{{-|[[Р (kirilica)|р]]}}'''. Jejin ekvivalent v [[Latinica|latinici]] jest '''{{-|p}}'''.

V [[Staroslovjanska azbuka|staroslovjanskoj azbukě]] tuta bukva iměla nazvu {{-|''покои''}} «pokoj» i [[Starokirilične čisla|čislno značenje]] «80». 

Bukva '''{{-|п}}''' proizhodi od [[Grečsky alfabet|grečskoj]] bukvy ''pi'' (Π, π), izvedenoj iz [[Feničsko pismo|feničskoj]] bukvy ''pe'' (𐤐). Jejna [[Glagolica|glagoličny]] ekvivalent (Ⱂ) takože proizhodi od feničskogo 𐤐, ale pravdopodobno črěz [[Hebrejsky jezyk|hebrejskogo]] ''pe'' (ף) zaměsto grečskogo ''pi''.

Kursivna i rukopisna forma maloj bukvy '''{{-|п}}''' izgledaje kako latinsko ''{{-|n}}'' v [[Bulgarsky jezyk|bulgarskom]] i v jezykah byvšego [[Sovětsky Sojuz|Sovětskog soljuza]], a bolje kako latinsko ''{{-|ū}}'' v [[Srbsky jezyk|srbskom]] i [[Makedonsky jezyk|makedonskom]]. Za sravnjen‌je:

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== Kodovan‌je ==
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|-
! colspan=2 | Nazva v Unikodu 
| {{-|CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER PE}}
| {{-|CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER PE}}
|-
! rowspan=2 | Unikod !! šestnadseterična sistema
| {{-|U+041F}}
| {{-|U+043F}}
|-
! deseterična sistema
| 1055
| 1087
|-
! rowspan=3 | {{-|HTML}} !! šestnadseterična sistema
| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#x41f;&lt;/code&gt;
| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#x43f;&lt;/code&gt; 
|-
! deseterična sistema
| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#1055;&lt;/code&gt;
| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#1087;&lt;/code&gt;
|}

== Vněšnje linky ==
* {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+041F | title = U+041F Cyrillic Capital Letter Pe | website = codepoints.net | language = en}}
* {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+043F| title = U+043F Cyrillic Small Letter Pe | website = codepoints.net | language = en}}

{{Kirilica}}
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[[Kategorija:Kirilične bukvy]]
[[Kategorija:Кириличне буквы]]
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'''{{-|П}}''', '''{{-|п}}''' (''pe'') jest bukva [[Kirilica|kiriličnoj azbuky]], ktora označaje bezzvučny bilabialny eksplosiv {{MFA|p}} ili, medžu drugymi v [[Russky jezyk|russkom]] jezyku, {{MFA|pʲ}} prěd [[Palatalizacija|palatalizujučeju]] samoglaskoju. V [[Medžuslovjanske alfabety|medžuslovjanskoj kiriličnoj azbukě]] ona zajmaje dvadeseto město, poslě '''{{-|[[О (kirilica)|о]]}}''' i prěd '''{{-|[[Р (kirilica)|р]]}}'''. Jejin ekvivalent v [[Latinica|latinici]] jest '''{{-|p}}'''.

V [[Staroslovjanska azbuka|staroslovjanskoj azbukě]] tuta bukva iměla nazvu {{-|''покои''}} «pokoj» i [[Starokirilične čisla|čislno značenje]] «80». 

Bukva '''{{-|п}}''' proizhodi od [[Grečsky alfabet|grečskoj]] bukvy ''pi'' (Π, π), izvedenoj iz [[Feničsko pismo|feničskoj]] bukvy ''pe'' (𐤐). Jejna [[Glagolica|glagoličny]] ekvivalent (Ⱂ) takože proizhodi od feničskogo 𐤐, ale pravdopodobno črěz [[Hebrejsky jezyk|hebrejskogo]] ''pe'' (ף) zaměsto grečskogo ''pi''.

Kursivna i rukopisna forma maloj bukvy '''{{-|п}}''' izgledaje kako latinsko ''{{-|n}}'' v [[Bulgarsky jezyk|bulgarskom]] i v jezykah byvšego [[Sovětsky Sojuz|Sovětskog soljuza]], a bolje kako latinsko ''{{-|ū}}'' v [[Srbsky jezyk|srbskom]] i [[Makedonsky jezyk|makedonskom]]. Za sravnjen‌je:

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== Kodovan‌je ==
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! colspan=2 | Kodovan‌je
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! style=&quot;font-size:large;&quot; | {{-|п}}&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/big&gt;
|-
! colspan=2 | Nazva v Unikodu 
| {{-|CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER PE}}
| {{-|CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER PE}}
|-
! rowspan=2 | Unikod !! šestnadseterična sistema
| {{-|U+041F}}
| {{-|U+043F}}
|-
! deseterična sistema
| 1055
| 1087
|-
! rowspan=3 | {{-|HTML}} !! šestnadseterična sistema
| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#x41f;&lt;/code&gt;
| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#x43f;&lt;/code&gt; 
|-
! deseterična sistema
| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#1055;&lt;/code&gt;
| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#1087;&lt;/code&gt;
|}

== Vněšnje linky ==
* {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+041F | title = U+041F Cyrillic Capital Letter Pe | website = codepoints.net | language = en}}
* {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+043F| title = U+043F Cyrillic Small Letter Pe | website = codepoints.net | language = en}}

{{Kirilica}}
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[[Kategorija:Kirilične bukvy]]
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{{Calibri|'''П̓''', '''п̓'''}} (''pe s komoju'') jest bukva razširjenoj [[Kirilica|kirilice]], sostavjena iz bukvy {{-|'''[[п]]'''}} i [[Koma|komy]] (zarezky). Ona byla upotrěbjena v drugoj polovině 19. stolětja i na početku 20. stolětja v alfabetah někojih [[Kavkazske jezyky|jezykah Kavkaza]].

== Osetinsky alfabet Vsevoloda Millera ==
Rosijsky etnograf Vsevolod Fjodorovič Miller byl prvy, ktory koristal komu kako diakritičny znak v modernoj kirilici. Ideja byla osnovana na grečskom znaku ''psili'' ({{Jezyky|la|spiritus lenis}}), ktora davno byla takože upotrěbjena v [[Starokirilična azbuka|starokiriličnoj azbukě]]. V pravopisu [[Osetinsky jezyk|osetinskogo jezyka]], koristanom jim v jegovyh «Osetinskyh etjudah»  (1881–1887), nahodili se bukvy {{Calibri|'''[[к̓]]''', '''п̓''', '''[[т̓]]''', '''[[ц̓]]'''}} i {{Calibri|'''[[ч̓]]'''}}, ktore služili za označen‌je ejektivnyh suglasok.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | url = https://dspace.nplg.gov.ge/bitstream/1234/76761/1/Osetinskie_Etiudi_II_Nawili.pdf | first = Всеволодъ | last = Миллеръ | title = Осетинскіе этюды. Часть вторая. Изслѣдованія | place = Москва | year = 1882 | language = ru | pages = 18–19}}&lt;/ref&gt; Ačekoli jegov alfabet byl osnovany na alfabetu Andersa Sjögrena 1844 g., on izměnil izgled někojih bukv.&lt;ref&gt;Миллеръ, str. 3.&lt;/ref&gt; Bukva {{Calibri|'''п̓'''}}, prědstavjajuči ejektivny alveolarny eksplosiv {{MFA|pʼ}}, zastupila Sjögrenovu bukvu '''[[ҧ]]''' (v sučasnoj osetinskoj ortografiji: '''{{-|пъ}}''').&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://ironau.ru/alfabeto.html | title = История письменности. Осетинский алфавит | website = Дзурут иронау | language = ru | access-date = 2026-02-28}}&lt;/ref&gt; Priklad: {{Calibri|п̓ӓр-п̓ӓр кӓнѵн}} «bajati» (v sučasnoj osetinskoj ortografiji: {{Calibri|пъæр-пъæр кæнын}}).&lt;ref&gt;Миллеръ, str. 84.&lt;/ref&gt;

== Abhazsky alfabet Myhajla Zavadskogo ==
[[Fajl:Abkhaz Uslar alphabet.svg | thumb | right | 300px | [[Abhazsky alfabet]] Uslara v versiji M. Zavadskogo]]
Po prikladu Millera, ukrajinsky pedagog Myhajlo Romualdovyč Zavadskyj publikoval v 1887 g. pečatnu versiju monografije [[Pjotr Uslar|Pjotra Uslara]] o [[Abhazsky jezyk|abhazskom jezyku]], v ktoroj zaměnil čest rukopisnyh bukv iz prvopočetnogo litografičnogo izdan‌ja bukvami s komoju {{Calibri|('''[[г̓]]''', '''[[к̓]]''', '''п̓''', '''[[т̓]]''', '''[[ц̓]]''', '''[[ч̓]]''')}}.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | url = https://yadi.sk/i/orTcI91mggyb5Q | first = П.К. | last = Усларъ | title = Этнографія Кавказа. Языкознаніе. Абхазскій языкъ | place = Тифлисъ | year = 1887 | publisher = Типографія канцеларіи Главноначальстующаго гражданскою частію на Кавказѣ | format = PDF | language = ru | pages = VIII-IX}}&lt;/ref&gt; Bukva {{Calibri|'''п̓'''}} ({{MFA|pʰ}}) zastupila Uslarovu bukvu {{Calibri|'''п̧'''}}, jednakože ona ne prijela se, a v pozdnějših versijah [[Abhazsky alfabet|abhazskogo alfabeta]] prvopočetna Uslarova versija prěobrazila se v '''[[ҧ]]''' i od 1954 g. v '''[[ԥ]]'''.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | url = https://yadi.sk/i/-cFRKsreuz7r3 | format = PDF | last = Бгажба | first = Х.С. | title = Из истории письменности в Абхазии | place = Тбилиси | year = 1967 | publisher = Мецниереба | language = ru | pages = 68}}&lt;/ref&gt; Ob izgovoru '''к̓''', '''п̓''' i '''т̓''' Uslar piše: ''«Razlika medžu njimi i k, p, t jest v suprovadžajučem jih legkom pridyhan‌ju, ktoro jest velmi primětna za sluh tuzemcev, ale izběgaje evropejcam.»''&lt;ref&gt;Усларъ (1887), str. 11.&lt;/ref&gt; Priklad: {{Calibri|ап̓сꚍ̆ѵ}} «životina» (v sučasnoj abhazskoj ortografiji: {{Calibri|аԥстәы}}).&lt;ref&gt;Усларъ (1887), str. 153.&lt;/ref&gt;

== Kabardinsky alfabet Lopatinskogo i Tambijeva ==
V 1890 g. rosijsky lingvist i etnograf Lev Grigorjevič Lopatinskij publikoval slovnik [[Kabardino-čerkessky jezyk|kabardino-čerkesskogo jezyka]]. V upotrěbjenoj jim ortografiji nahodili se 56 znakov, vključajuči až sedm bukv s komoju: {{Calibri|('''[[к̓]]''', '''п̓''', '''[[т̓]]''', '''[[ц̓]]''', '''[[ф̓]]''', '''[[ҫ̓]]''', [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter voiceless L with comma above.svg|14px]])}}.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | url = https://viewer.rusneb.ru/ru/000202_000006_2582271?page=19&amp;rotate=0&amp;theme=white | last = Лопатинский | first = Л.Г. | title = Русско-кабардинский словарь с указателем и краткою грамматикою | place = Тифлис | publisher = Управленіе Кавказскаго Учебнаго Округа | year = 1890 | pages = 10 | language = ru}}&lt;/ref&gt; Kako v osetinskom, tute bukvy označajut ejektivne suglasky, v sučasnoj kabardino-čerkasskom pravopisu označane [[Paločka|paločkoju]] ('''Ӏ'''). Takto '''{{Calibri|п̓}}''' označaje zvuk {{MFA|pʼ}} i odpovědaje sučasnomu dvuznaku '''{{-|пӀ}}''',&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/kabardian.htm | first = Simon | last = Ager | title = Kabardian (Къэбэрдейбзэ) | website = Omniglot.com | access-date = 2026-02-28}}&lt;/ref&gt; napriklad: {{Calibri|п̓а[[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Tlje.svg|12px|link=Bezzvučno Л]]е}} «čas, vrěme» (v sučasnom pravopisu: {{Calibri|пIалъэ}}.&lt;ref&gt;Лопатинскій, str. 23.&lt;/ref&gt; Mimohodom, tutoj alfabet ne našel široko priměnjen‌je.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = http://intercircass.org/?p=346 | title = Об азбуках кабардинских | first = М.К. | last = Шакова | website = intercircass.org | date = 2011-11-17 | language = ru | access-date = 2026-02-28}}&lt;/ref&gt;

== Sěverovozhodnokavkazske alfabety Dirra ==
Na početku 20. stolětja němečsko-rosijsky lingvist i etnograf Adolf Dirr stvoril alfabety za red menših [[Sěverovozhodnokavkazske jezyky|sěverovozhodnokavkazskyh jezykov]]. One byli osnovane na alfabetah Sjögrena, Millera i Zavadskogo i koristane Dirrom v naučnyh monografijah o tyh jezykah, ačekoli nikogda ne byli v upotrěbě u samogo naseljen‌ja. Bukva '''{{Calibri|п̓}}''' javi se v alfabetah stvorjenyh Dirrom za [[Tabasaransky jezyk|tabasaransky]] (1905)&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://cloud.mail.ru/public/M7pd/2Z5eEJnZW?/public/c8c22b4cbdcd%2F%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9F%D0%9A_1905_35.pdf | first = А.М. | last = Дирръ | title = Грамматическій очеркъ табассаранскаго языка | journal = Сборникъ матеріалов для описанія мѣстностей и племенъ Кавказа. Выпускъ 35 | year = 1905 | place = Тифлисъ | language = ru | pages = III: 1}}&lt;/ref&gt;, [[Andijsky jezyk|andijsky]] (1906)&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://cloud.mail.ru/public/Wh3H/3SeHvrm4u?/public/4bb304fc44ec%2F%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9F%D0%9A_1906_36.pdf | first = А.М. | last = Дирръ | title = Краткій грамматическій очеркъ андійского языка | journal = Сборникъ матеріалов для описанія мѣстностей и племенъ Кавказа. Выпускъ 36 | year = 1906 | place = Тифлисъ | language = ru | pages = IV: 1}}&lt;/ref&gt;, [[Agulsky jezyk|agulsky]] (1907)&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://cloud.mail.ru/public/3tnx/2CxLmvyPC?/public/a8a5054fb80c%2F%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9F%D0%9A_1907_37.pdf | first = А.М. | last = Дирръ | title = Агульскій языкъ. Грамматическій очеркъ, тексты, сборникъ агульскихъ слов съ русскимъ къ нему указателемъ | journal = Сборникъ матеріалов для описанія мѣстностей и племенъ Кавказа. Выпускъ 37 | year = 1907 | place = Тифлисъ | language = ru | pages = III: 1}}&lt;/ref&gt;, [[Arčinsky jezyk|arčinsky]] (1908)&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://cloud.mail.ru/public/2V7q/4MmrzoJb2?/public/51abdc5f4f0d%2F%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9F%D0%9A_1908_39.pdf | first = А.М. | last = Дирръ | title = Арчинскій языкъ. Грамматическій очеркъ, тексты, сборникъ арчинскихъ словъ съ русскимъ къ нему указателемъ | journal = Сборникъ матеріалов для описанія мѣстностей и племенъ Кавказа. Выпускъ 39 | year = 1908 | place = Тифлисъ | language = ru | pages = III: 1}}&lt;/ref&gt; i [[Rutulsky jezyk|rutulsky]] (1912)&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | first = А.М. | last = Дирръ | title = Рутульскій языкъ | journal = Сборникъ матеріалов для описанія мѣстностей и племенъ Кавказа. Выпускъ 42 | year = 1912 | place = Тифлисъ | language = ru}}&lt;/ref&gt; jezyky, a takože v kratših opisah někojih bezpisemnyh jezykov Kavkaza.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://cloud.mail.ru/public/676e65915602%2F%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9F%D0%9A_1909_40.pdf | first = А.М. | last = Дирръ | title = Матеріалы для изученія языковъ и нарѣчій андо-дидойской группы | journal = Сборникъ матеріалов для описанія мѣстностей и племенъ Кавказа. Выпускъ 40 | year = 1909 | place = Тифлисъ | language = ru}}&lt;/ref&gt; Ob izgovoru Dirr piše v knigě o tabasaranskom, že ''«{{Calibri|п̓}} jest kako п, suprovadžajemo rekursijeju; to jest v slogu {{Calibri|п̓а}} slyši se jasny hiatus medžu п i а.»'' Prikladno slovo v tabasaranskom: {{Calibri|ап̓уз}} «dělati» (v sučasnoj ortografiji: {{Calibri|апӀуз}} {{MFA|ap’uz}}.&lt;ref&gt;Дирръ (1905), str. 2.&lt;/ref&gt; V opisah ostalyh jezykov Dirr piše toliko, že izgovor jest kako v tabasaranskom.

[[Fajl:Tabasaransky alfabet Dirra (1905).png | thumb | left | 600px | Tabasaransky alfabet A.M. Dirra (1905)]]{{Clear}}

== Kodovan‌je ==
Bukva {{Calibri|'''П̓ п̓'''}} ne jest dostupna v [[Unikod]]u kako samostojny znak, ale može byti pisana s pomočju kombinujučego diakritičnogo znaka:

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! colspan=2 | Kodovan‌je
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! style=&quot;font-size:large;&quot; | {{-|п}}&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/big&gt;
! style=&quot;font-size:large;&quot; | ◌̓ &lt;/big&gt;&lt;/big&gt;
|-
! colspan=2 | Nazva v Unikodu 
| {{-|CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER PE}}
| {{-|CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER PE}}
| {{-|COMBINING COMMA ABOVE}}
|-
! rowspan=2 | Unikod !! šestnadseterična sistema
| {{-|U+041F}}
| {{-|U+043F}}
| {{-|U+0313}}
|-
! deseterična sistema
| 1055
| 1087
| 787
|-
! rowspan=3 | {{-|HTML}} !! šestnadseterična sistema
| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#x41f;&lt;/code&gt;
| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#x43f;&lt;/code&gt; 
| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#x313;&lt;/code&gt; 
|-
! deseterična sistema
| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#1055;&lt;/code&gt;
| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#1087;&lt;/code&gt;
| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#787;&lt;/code&gt;
|}

== Iztočniky ==
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== Vněšnje linky ==
* {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+041F | title = U+041F Cyrillic Capital Letter Pe | website = codepoints.net | language = en}}
* {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+043F| title = U+043F Cyrillic Small Letter Pe | website = codepoints.net | language = en}}
* {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+0313 | title = U+0313 Combining Comma Above | website = codepoints.net | language = en}}

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{{Calibri|'''П̓''', '''п̓'''}} (''pe s komoju'') jest bukva razširjenoj [[Kirilica|kirilice]], sostavjena iz bukvy {{-|'''[[п]]'''}} i [[Koma|komy]] (zarezky). Ona byla upotrěbjena v drugoj polovině 19. stolětja i na početku 20. stolětja v alfabetah někojih [[Kavkazske jezyky|jezykah Kavkaza]].

== Osetinsky alfabet Vsevoloda Millera ==
Rosijsky etnograf Vsevolod Fjodorovič Miller byl prvy, ktory koristal komu kako diakritičny znak v modernoj kirilici. Ideja byla osnovana na grečskom znaku ''psili'' ({{Jezyky|la|spiritus lenis}}), ktora davno byla takože upotrěbjena v [[Starokirilična azbuka|starokiriličnoj azbukě]]. V pravopisu [[Osetinsky jezyk|osetinskogo jezyka]], koristanom jim v jegovyh «Osetinskyh etjudah»  (1881–1887), nahodili se bukvy {{Calibri|'''[[к̓]]''', '''п̓''', '''[[т̓]]''', '''[[ц̓]]'''}} i {{Calibri|'''[[ч̓]]'''}}, ktore služili za označen‌je ejektivnyh suglasok.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | url = https://dspace.nplg.gov.ge/bitstream/1234/76761/1/Osetinskie_Etiudi_II_Nawili.pdf | first = Всеволодъ | last = Миллеръ | title = Осетинскіе этюды. Часть вторая. Изслѣдованія | place = Москва | year = 1882 | language = ru | pages = 18–19}}&lt;/ref&gt; Ačekoli jegov alfabet byl osnovany na alfabetu Andersa Sjögrena 1844 g., on izměnil izgled někojih bukv.&lt;ref&gt;Миллеръ, str. 3.&lt;/ref&gt; Bukva {{Calibri|'''п̓'''}}, prědstavjajuči ejektivny alveolarny eksplosiv {{MFA|pʼ}}, zastupila Sjögrenovu bukvu '''[[ҧ]]''' (v sučasnoj osetinskoj ortografiji: '''{{-|пъ}}''').&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://ironau.ru/alfabeto.html | title = История письменности. Осетинский алфавит | website = Дзурут иронау | language = ru | access-date = 2026-02-28}}&lt;/ref&gt; Priklad: {{Calibri|п̓ӓр-п̓ӓр кӓнѵн}} «bajati» (v sučasnoj osetinskoj ortografiji: {{Calibri|пъæр-пъæр кæнын}}).&lt;ref&gt;Миллеръ, str. 84.&lt;/ref&gt;

== Abhazsky alfabet Myhajla Zavadskogo ==
[[Fajl:Abkhaz Uslar alphabet.svg | thumb | right | 300px | [[Abhazsky alfabet]] Uslara v versiji M. Zavadskogo]]
Po prikladu Millera, ukrajinsky pedagog Myhajlo Romualdovyč Zavadskyj publikoval v 1887 g. pečatnu versiju monografije [[Pjotr Uslar|Pjotra Uslara]] o [[Abhazsky jezyk|abhazskom jezyku]], v ktoroj zaměnil čest rukopisnyh bukv iz prvopočetnogo litografičnogo izdan‌ja bukvami s komoju {{Calibri|('''[[г̓]]''', '''[[к̓]]''', '''п̓''', '''[[т̓]]''', '''[[ц̓]]''', '''[[ч̓]]''')}}.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | url = https://yadi.sk/i/orTcI91mggyb5Q | first = П.К. | last = Усларъ | title = Этнографія Кавказа. Языкознаніе. Абхазскій языкъ | place = Тифлисъ | year = 1887 | publisher = Типографія канцеларіи Главноначальстующаго гражданскою частію на Кавказѣ | format = PDF | language = ru | pages = VIII-IX}}&lt;/ref&gt; Bukva {{Calibri|'''п̓'''}} ({{MFA|pʰ}}) zastupila Uslarovu bukvu {{Calibri|'''п̧'''}}, jednakože ona ne prijela se, a v pozdnějših versijah [[Abhazsky alfabet|abhazskogo alfabeta]] prvopočetna Uslarova versija prěobrazila se v '''[[ҧ]]''' i od 1954 g. v '''[[ԥ]]'''.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | url = https://yadi.sk/i/-cFRKsreuz7r3 | format = PDF | last = Бгажба | first = Х.С. | title = Из истории письменности в Абхазии | place = Тбилиси | year = 1967 | publisher = Мецниереба | language = ru | pages = 68}}&lt;/ref&gt; Ob izgovoru '''к̓''', '''п̓''' i '''т̓''' Uslar piše: ''«Razlika medžu njimi i k, p, t jest v suprovadžajučem jih legkom pridyhan‌ju, ktoro jest velmi primětna za sluh tuzemcev, ale izběgaje evropejcam.»''&lt;ref&gt;Усларъ (1887), str. 11.&lt;/ref&gt; Priklad: {{Calibri|ап̓сꚍ̆ѵ}} «životina» (v sučasnoj abhazskoj ortografiji: {{Calibri|аԥстәы}}).&lt;ref&gt;Усларъ (1887), str. 153.&lt;/ref&gt;

== Kabardinsky alfabet Lopatinskogo i Tambijeva ==
V 1890 g. rosijsky lingvist i etnograf Lev Grigorjevič Lopatinskij publikoval slovnik [[Kabardino-čerkessky jezyk|kabardino-čerkesskogo jezyka]]. V upotrěbjenoj jim ortografiji nahodili se 56 znakov, vključajuči až sedm bukv s komoju: {{Calibri|('''[[к̓]]''', '''п̓''', '''[[т̓]]''', '''[[ц̓]]''', '''[[ф̓]]''', '''[[ҫ̓]]''', [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter voiceless L with comma above.svg|14px]])}}.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | url = https://viewer.rusneb.ru/ru/000202_000006_2582271?page=19&amp;rotate=0&amp;theme=white | last = Лопатинский | first = Л.Г. | title = Русско-кабардинский словарь с указателем и краткою грамматикою | place = Тифлис | publisher = Управленіе Кавказскаго Учебнаго Округа | year = 1890 | pages = 10 | language = ru}}&lt;/ref&gt; Kako v osetinskom, tute bukvy označajut ejektivne suglasky, v sučasnoj kabardino-čerkasskom pravopisu označane [[Paločka|paločkoju]] ('''Ӏ'''). Takto '''{{Calibri|п̓}}''' označaje zvuk {{MFA|pʼ}} i odpovědaje sučasnomu dvuznaku '''{{-|пӀ}}''',&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/kabardian.htm | first = Simon | last = Ager | title = Kabardian (Къэбэрдейбзэ) | website = Omniglot.com | access-date = 2026-02-28}}&lt;/ref&gt; napriklad: {{Calibri|п̓а[[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Tlje.svg|12px|link=Bezzvučno Л]]е}} «čas, vrěme» (v sučasnom pravopisu: {{Calibri|пIалъэ}}.&lt;ref&gt;Лопатинскій, str. 23.&lt;/ref&gt; Mimohodom, tutoj alfabet ne našel široko priměnjen‌je.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = http://intercircass.org/?p=346 | title = Об азбуках кабардинских | first = М.К. | last = Шакова | website = intercircass.org | date = 2011-11-17 | language = ru | access-date = 2026-02-28}}&lt;/ref&gt;

== Sěverovozhodnokavkazske alfabety Dirra ==
Na početku 20. stolětja němečsko-rosijsky lingvist i etnograf Adolf Dirr stvoril alfabety za red menših [[Sěverovozhodnokavkazske jezyky|sěverovozhodnokavkazskyh jezykov]]. One byli osnovane na alfabetah Sjögrena, Millera i Zavadskogo i koristane Dirrom v naučnyh monografijah o tyh jezykah, ačekoli nikogda ne byli v upotrěbě u samogo naseljen‌ja. Bukva '''{{Calibri|п̓}}''' javi se v alfabetah stvorjenyh Dirrom za [[Tabasaransky jezyk|tabasaransky]] (1905)&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://cloud.mail.ru/public/M7pd/2Z5eEJnZW?/public/c8c22b4cbdcd%2F%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9F%D0%9A_1905_35.pdf | first = А.М. | last = Дирръ | title = Грамматическій очеркъ табассаранскаго языка | journal = Сборникъ матеріалов для описанія мѣстностей и племенъ Кавказа. Выпускъ 35 | year = 1905 | place = Тифлисъ | language = ru | pages = III: 1}}&lt;/ref&gt;, [[Andijsky jezyk|andijsky]] (1906)&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://cloud.mail.ru/public/Wh3H/3SeHvrm4u?/public/4bb304fc44ec%2F%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9F%D0%9A_1906_36.pdf | first = А.М. | last = Дирръ | title = Краткій грамматическій очеркъ андійского языка | journal = Сборникъ матеріалов для описанія мѣстностей и племенъ Кавказа. Выпускъ 36 | year = 1906 | place = Тифлисъ | language = ru | pages = IV: 1}}&lt;/ref&gt;, [[Agulsky jezyk|agulsky]] (1907)&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://cloud.mail.ru/public/3tnx/2CxLmvyPC?/public/a8a5054fb80c%2F%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9F%D0%9A_1907_37.pdf | first = А.М. | last = Дирръ | title = Агульскій языкъ. Грамматическій очеркъ, тексты, сборникъ агульскихъ слов съ русскимъ къ нему указателемъ | journal = Сборникъ матеріалов для описанія мѣстностей и племенъ Кавказа. Выпускъ 37 | year = 1907 | place = Тифлисъ | language = ru | pages = III: 1}}&lt;/ref&gt;, [[Arčinsky jezyk|arčinsky]] (1908)&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://cloud.mail.ru/public/2V7q/4MmrzoJb2?/public/51abdc5f4f0d%2F%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9F%D0%9A_1908_39.pdf | first = А.М. | last = Дирръ | title = Арчинскій языкъ. Грамматическій очеркъ, тексты, сборникъ арчинскихъ словъ съ русскимъ къ нему указателемъ | journal = Сборникъ матеріалов для описанія мѣстностей и племенъ Кавказа. Выпускъ 39 | year = 1908 | place = Тифлисъ | language = ru | pages = III: 1}}&lt;/ref&gt; i [[Rutulsky jezyk|rutulsky]] (1912)&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | first = А.М. | last = Дирръ | title = Рутульскій языкъ | journal = Сборникъ матеріалов для описанія мѣстностей и племенъ Кавказа. Выпускъ 42 | year = 1912 | place = Тифлисъ | language = ru}}&lt;/ref&gt; jezyky, a takože v kratših opisah někojih bezpisemnyh jezykov Kavkaza.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://cloud.mail.ru/public/676e65915602%2F%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9F%D0%9A_1909_40.pdf | first = А.М. | last = Дирръ | title = Матеріалы для изученія языковъ и нарѣчій андо-дидойской группы | journal = Сборникъ матеріалов для описанія мѣстностей и племенъ Кавказа. Выпускъ 40 | year = 1909 | place = Тифлисъ | language = ru}}&lt;/ref&gt; Ob izgovoru Dirr piše v knigě o tabasaranskom, že ''«{{Calibri|п̓}} jest kako п, suprovadžajemo rekursijeju; to jest v slogu {{Calibri|п̓а}} slyši se jasny hiatus medžu п i а.»'' Prikladno slovo v tabasaranskom: {{Calibri|ап̓уз}} «dělati» (v sučasnoj ortografiji: {{Calibri|апӀуз}} {{MFA|ap’uz}}.&lt;ref&gt;Дирръ (1905), str. 2.&lt;/ref&gt; V opisah ostalyh jezykov Dirr piše toliko, že izgovor jest kako v tabasaranskom.

[[Fajl:Tabasaransky alfabet Dirra (1905).png | thumb | left | 600px | Tabasaransky alfabet A.M. Dirra (1905)]]{{Clear}}

== Kodovan‌je ==
Bukva {{Calibri|'''П̓ п̓'''}} ne jest dostupna v [[Unikod]]u kako samostojny znak, ale može byti pisana s pomočju kombinujučego diakritičnogo znaka:

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! style=&quot;font-size:large;&quot; | ◌̓ &lt;/big&gt;&lt;/big&gt;
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! colspan=2 | Nazva v Unikodu 
| {{-|CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER PE}}
| {{-|CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER PE}}
| {{-|COMBINING COMMA ABOVE}}
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! rowspan=2 | Unikod !! šestnadseterična sistema
| {{-|U+041F}}
| {{-|U+043F}}
| {{-|U+0313}}
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! deseterična sistema
| 1055
| 1087
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! rowspan=3 | {{-|HTML}} !! šestnadseterična sistema
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== Iztočniky ==
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== Vněšnje linky ==
* {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+041F | title = U+041F Cyrillic Capital Letter Pe | website = codepoints.net | language = en}}
* {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+043F| title = U+043F Cyrillic Small Letter Pe | website = codepoints.net | language = en}}
* {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+0313 | title = U+0313 Combining Comma Above | website = codepoints.net | language = en}}

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{{Calibri|'''П̓''', '''п̓'''}} (''pe s komoju'') jest bukva razširjenoj [[Kirilica|kirilice]], sostavjena iz bukvy {{-|'''[[п]]'''}} i [[Koma|komy]] (zarezky). Ona byla upotrěbjena v drugoj polovině 19. stolětja i na početku 20. stolětja v alfabetah někojih [[Kavkazske jezyky|jezykah Kavkaza]].

== Osetinsky alfabet Vsevoloda Millera ==
Rosijsky etnograf Vsevolod Fjodorovič Miller byl prvy, ktory koristal komu kako diakritičny znak v modernoj kirilici. Ideja byla osnovana na grečskom znaku ''psili'' ({{Jezyky|la|spiritus lenis}}), ktora davno byla takože upotrěbjena v [[Starokirilična azbuka|starokiriličnoj azbukě]]. V pravopisu [[Osetinsky jezyk|osetinskogo jezyka]], koristanom jim v jegovyh «Osetinskyh etjudah»  (1881–1887), nahodili se bukvy {{Calibri|'''[[к̓]]''', '''п̓''', '''[[т̓]]''', '''[[ц̓]]'''}} i {{Calibri|'''[[ч̓]]'''}}, ktore služili za označen‌je ejektivnyh suglasok.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | url = https://dspace.nplg.gov.ge/bitstream/1234/76761/1/Osetinskie_Etiudi_II_Nawili.pdf | first = Всеволодъ | last = Миллеръ | title = Осетинскіе этюды. Часть вторая. Изслѣдованія | place = Москва | year = 1882 | language = ru | pages = 18–19}}&lt;/ref&gt; Ačekoli jegov alfabet byl osnovany na alfabetu Andersa Sjögrena 1844 g., on izměnil izgled někojih bukv.&lt;ref&gt;Миллеръ, str. 3.&lt;/ref&gt; Bukva {{Calibri|'''п̓'''}}, prědstavjajuči ejektivny alveolarny eksplosiv {{MFA|pʼ}}, zastupila Sjögrenovu bukvu '''[[ҧ]]''' (v sučasnoj osetinskoj ortografiji: '''{{-|пъ}}''').&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://ironau.ru/alfabeto.html | title = История письменности. Осетинский алфавит | website = Дзурут иронау | language = ru | access-date = 2026-02-28}}&lt;/ref&gt; Priklad: {{Calibri|п̓ӓр-п̓ӓр кӓнѵн}} «bajati» (v sučasnoj osetinskoj ortografiji: {{Calibri|пъæр-пъæр кæнын}}).&lt;ref&gt;Миллеръ, str. 84.&lt;/ref&gt;

== Abhazsky alfabet Myhajla Zavadskogo ==
[[Fajl:Abkhaz Uslar alphabet.svg | thumb | right | 300px | [[Abhazsky alfabet]] Uslara v versiji M. Zavadskogo]]
Po prikladu Millera, ukrajinsky pedagog Myhajlo Romualdovyč Zavadskyj publikoval v 1887 g. pečatnu versiju monografije [[Pjotr Uslar|Pjotra Uslara]] o [[Abhazsky jezyk|abhazskom jezyku]], v ktoroj zaměnil čest rukopisnyh bukv iz prvopočetnogo litografičnogo izdan‌ja bukvami s komoju {{Calibri|('''[[г̓]]''', '''[[к̓]]''', '''п̓''', '''[[т̓]]''', '''[[ц̓]]''', '''[[ч̓]]''')}}.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | url = https://yadi.sk/i/orTcI91mggyb5Q | first = П.К. | last = Усларъ | title = Этнографія Кавказа. Языкознаніе. Абхазскій языкъ | place = Тифлисъ | year = 1887 | publisher = Типографія канцеларіи Главноначальстующаго гражданскою частію на Кавказѣ | format = PDF | language = ru | pages = VIII-IX}}&lt;/ref&gt; Bukva {{Calibri|'''п̓'''}} ({{MFA|pʰ}}) zastupila Uslarovu bukvu {{Calibri|'''п̧'''}}, jednakože ona ne prijela se, a v pozdnějših versijah [[Abhazsky alfabet|abhazskogo alfabeta]] prvopočetna Uslarova versija prěobrazila se v '''[[ҧ]]''' i od 1954 g. v '''[[ԥ]]'''.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | url = https://yadi.sk/i/-cFRKsreuz7r3 | format = PDF | last = Бгажба | first = Х.С. | title = Из истории письменности в Абхазии | place = Тбилиси | year = 1967 | publisher = Мецниереба | language = ru | pages = 68}}&lt;/ref&gt; Ob izgovoru '''к̓''', '''п̓''' i '''т̓''' Uslar piše: ''«Razlika medžu njimi i k, p, t jest v suprovadžajučem jih legkom pridyhan‌ju, ktoro jest velmi primětna za sluh tuzemcev, ale izběgaje evropejcam.»''&lt;ref&gt;Усларъ (1887), str. 11.&lt;/ref&gt; Priklad: {{Calibri|ап̓сꚍ̆ѵ}} «životina» (v sučasnoj abhazskoj ortografiji: {{Calibri|аԥстәы}}).&lt;ref&gt;Усларъ (1887), str. 153.&lt;/ref&gt;

== Kabardinsky alfabet Lopatinskogo i Tambijeva ==
V 1890 g. rosijsky lingvist i etnograf Lev Grigorjevič Lopatinskij publikoval slovnik [[Kabardino-čerkessky jezyk|kabardino-čerkesskogo jezyka]]. V upotrěbjenoj jim ortografiji nahodili se 56 znakov, vključajuči až sedm bukv s komoju: {{Calibri|('''[[к̓]]''', '''п̓''', '''[[т̓]]''', '''[[ц̓]]''', '''[[ф̓]]''', '''[[ҫ̓]]''', [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter voiceless L with comma above.svg|14px]])}}.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | url = https://viewer.rusneb.ru/ru/000202_000006_2582271?page=19&amp;rotate=0&amp;theme=white | last = Лопатинский | first = Л.Г. | title = Русско-кабардинский словарь с указателем и краткою грамматикою | place = Тифлис | publisher = Управленіе Кавказскаго Учебнаго Округа | year = 1890 | pages = 10 | language = ru}}&lt;/ref&gt; Kako v osetinskom, tute bukvy označajut ejektivne suglasky, v sučasnoj kabardino-čerkasskom pravopisu označane [[Paločka|paločkoju]] ('''Ӏ'''). Takto '''{{Calibri|п̓}}''' označaje zvuk {{MFA|pʼ}} i odpovědaje sučasnomu dvuznaku '''{{-|пӀ}}''',&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/kabardian.htm | first = Simon | last = Ager | title = Kabardian (Къэбэрдейбзэ) | website = Omniglot.com | access-date = 2026-02-28}}&lt;/ref&gt; napriklad: {{Calibri|п̓а[[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Tlje.svg|12px|link=Bezzvučno Л]]е}} «čas, vrěme» (v sučasnom pravopisu: {{Calibri|пIалъэ}}.&lt;ref&gt;Лопатинскій, str. 23.&lt;/ref&gt; Mimohodom, tutoj alfabet ne našel široko priměnjen‌je.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = http://intercircass.org/?p=346 | title = Об азбуках кабардинских | first = М.К. | last = Шакова | website = intercircass.org | date = 2011-11-17 | language = ru | access-date = 2026-02-28}}&lt;/ref&gt;

== Sěverovozhodnokavkazske alfabety Dirra ==
Na početku 20. stolětja němečsko-rosijsky lingvist i etnograf Adolf Dirr stvoril alfabety za red menših [[Sěverovozhodnokavkazske jezyky|sěverovozhodnokavkazskyh jezykov]]. One byli osnovane na alfabetah Sjögrena, Millera i Zavadskogo i koristane Dirrom v naučnyh monografijah o tyh jezykah, ačekoli nikogda ne byli v upotrěbě u samogo naseljen‌ja. Bukva '''{{Calibri|п̓}}''' javi se v alfabetah stvorjenyh Dirrom za [[Tabasaransky jezyk|tabasaransky]] (1905)&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://cloud.mail.ru/public/M7pd/2Z5eEJnZW?/public/c8c22b4cbdcd%2F%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9F%D0%9A_1905_35.pdf | first = А.М. | last = Дирръ | title = Грамматическій очеркъ табассаранскаго языка | journal = Сборникъ матеріалов для описанія мѣстностей и племенъ Кавказа. Выпускъ 35 | year = 1905 | place = Тифлисъ | language = ru | pages = III: 1}}&lt;/ref&gt;, [[Andijsky jezyk|andijsky]] (1906)&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://cloud.mail.ru/public/Wh3H/3SeHvrm4u?/public/4bb304fc44ec%2F%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9F%D0%9A_1906_36.pdf | first = А.М. | last = Дирръ | title = Краткій грамматическій очеркъ андійского языка | journal = Сборникъ матеріалов для описанія мѣстностей и племенъ Кавказа. Выпускъ 36 | year = 1906 | place = Тифлисъ | language = ru | pages = IV: 1}}&lt;/ref&gt;, [[Agulsky jezyk|agulsky]] (1907)&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://cloud.mail.ru/public/3tnx/2CxLmvyPC?/public/a8a5054fb80c%2F%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9F%D0%9A_1907_37.pdf | first = А.М. | last = Дирръ | title = Агульскій языкъ. Грамматическій очеркъ, тексты, сборникъ агульскихъ слов съ русскимъ къ нему указателемъ | journal = Сборникъ матеріалов для описанія мѣстностей и племенъ Кавказа. Выпускъ 37 | year = 1907 | place = Тифлисъ | language = ru | pages = III: 1}}&lt;/ref&gt;, [[Arčinsky jezyk|arčinsky]] (1908)&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://cloud.mail.ru/public/2V7q/4MmrzoJb2?/public/51abdc5f4f0d%2F%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9F%D0%9A_1908_39.pdf | first = А.М. | last = Дирръ | title = Арчинскій языкъ. Грамматическій очеркъ, тексты, сборникъ арчинскихъ словъ съ русскимъ къ нему указателемъ | journal = Сборникъ матеріалов для описанія мѣстностей и племенъ Кавказа. Выпускъ 39 | year = 1908 | place = Тифлисъ | language = ru | pages = III: 1}}&lt;/ref&gt; i [[Rutulsky jezyk|rutulsky]] (1912)&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | first = А.М. | last = Дирръ | title = Рутульскій языкъ | journal = Сборникъ матеріалов для описанія мѣстностей и племенъ Кавказа. Выпускъ 42 | year = 1912 | place = Тифлисъ | language = ru}}&lt;/ref&gt; jezyky, a takože v kratših opisah někojih bezpisemnyh jezykov Kavkaza.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://cloud.mail.ru/public/676e65915602%2F%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9F%D0%9A_1909_40.pdf | first = А.М. | last = Дирръ | title = Матеріалы для изученія языковъ и нарѣчій андо-дидойской группы | journal = Сборникъ матеріалов для описанія мѣстностей и племенъ Кавказа. Выпускъ 40 | year = 1909 | place = Тифлисъ | language = ru}}&lt;/ref&gt; Ob izgovoru Dirr piše v knigě o tabasaranskom, že ''«{{Calibri|п̓}} jest kako п, suprovadžajemo rekursijeju; to jest v slogu {{Calibri|п̓а}} slyši se jasny hiatus medžu п i а.»'' Prikladno slovo v tabasaranskom: {{Calibri|ап̓уз}} «dělati» (v sučasnoj ortografiji: {{Calibri|апӀуз}} {{MFA|ap’uz}}.&lt;ref&gt;Дирръ (1905), str. 2.&lt;/ref&gt; V opisah ostalyh jezykov Dirr piše toliko, že izgovor jest kako v tabasaranskom.

[[Fajl:Tabasaransky alfabet Dirra (1905).png | thumb | left | 600px | Tabasaransky alfabet A.M. Dirra (1905)]]{{Clear}}

== Kodovan‌je ==
Bukva {{Calibri|'''П̓ п̓'''}} ne jest dostupna v [[Unikod]]u kako samostojny znak, ale može byti pisana s pomočju kombinujučego diakritičnogo znaka:

{| class=wikitable style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
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! style=&quot;font-size:large;&quot; | {{-|П}}&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/big&gt;
! style=&quot;font-size:large;&quot; | {{-|п}}&lt;/big&gt;&lt;/big&gt;
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| {{-|CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER PE}}
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! deseterična sistema
| 1055
| 1087
| 787
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! rowspan=3 | {{-|HTML}} !! šestnadseterična sistema
| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#x41f;&lt;/code&gt;
| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#x43f;&lt;/code&gt; 
| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#x313;&lt;/code&gt; 
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| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#1055;&lt;/code&gt;
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== Iztočniky ==
{{Iztočniky}}

== Vněšnje linky ==
* {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+041F | title = U+041F Cyrillic Capital Letter Pe | website = codepoints.net | language = en}}
* {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+043F| title = U+043F Cyrillic Small Letter Pe | website = codepoints.net | language = en}}
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{{Kirilica}}
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{{Calibri|'''Т̓''', '''т̓'''}} (''te s komoju'') jest bukva razširjenoj [[Kirilica|kirilice]], sostavjena iz bukvy {{-|'''[[Т (kirilica)|т]]'''}} i [[Koma|komy]] (zarezky). Ona byla upotrěbjena v drugoj polovině 19. stolětja i na početku 20. stolětja v alfabetah někojih [[Kavkazske jezyky|jezykah Kavkaza]].

== Osetinsky alfabet Vsevoloda Millera ==
Rosijsky etnograf Vsevolod Fjodorovič Miller byl prvy, ktory koristal komu kako diakritičny znak v modernoj kirilici. Ideja byla osnovana na grečskom znaku ''psili'' ({{Jezyky|la|spiritus lenis}}), ktora davno byla takože upotrěbjena v [[Starokirilična azbuka|starokiriličnoj azbukě]]. V pravopisu [[Osetinsky jezyk|osetinskogo jezyka]], koristanom jim v jegovyh «Osetinskyh etjudah»  (1881–1887), nahodili se bukvy {{Calibri|'''[[к̓]]''', '''[[п̓]]''', '''т̓''', '''[[ц̓]]'''}} i {{Calibri|'''[[ч̓]]'''}}, ktore služili za označen‌je ejektivnyh suglasok.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | url = https://dspace.nplg.gov.ge/bitstream/1234/76761/1/Osetinskie_Etiudi_II_Nawili.pdf | first = Всеволод | last = Миллер | title = Осетинскіе этюды. Часть вторая. Изслѣдованія | place = Москва | year = 1882 | language = ru | pages = 18–19}}&lt;/ref&gt; Ačekoli jegov alfabet byl osnovany na alfabetu Andersa Sjögrena 1844 g., on izměnil izgled někojih bukv.&lt;ref&gt;Miller, str. 3.&lt;/ref&gt; Bukva {{Calibri|'''т̓'''}}, prědstavjajuči ejektivny alveolarny eksplosiv {{MFA|tʼ}}, zastupila Sjögrenovu bukvu '''[[ꚋ]]''' (v sučasnoj osetinskoj ortografiji: '''{{-|тъ}}''').&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://ironau.ru/alfabeto.html | title = История письменности. Осетинский алфавит | website = Дзурут иронау | language = ru | access-date = 2026-02-28}}&lt;/ref&gt; Prikladno slovo: {{Calibri|т̓ӓпӓн}} «plosky» (sučasno: {{Calibri|тъæпæн}}).&lt;ref&gt;Miller, str. 77.&lt;/ref&gt;

== Abhazsky alfabet Myhajla Zavadskogo ==
[[Fajl:Abkhaz Uslar alphabet.svg | thumb | right | 300px | [[Abhazsky alfabet]] Uslara v versiji M. Zavadskogo]]
Po prikladu Millera, ukrajinsky pedagog Myhajlo Romualdovyč Zavadskyj publikoval v 1887 g. pečatnu versiju monografije [[Pjotr Uslar|Pjotra Uslara]] o [[Abhazsky jezyk|abhazskom jezyku]], v ktoroj zaměnil čest rukopisnyh bukv iz prvopočetnogo litografičnogo izdan‌ja bukvami s komoju {{Calibri|('''[[г̓]]''', '''[[к̓]]''', '''[[п̓]]''', '''т̓''', '''[[ц̓]]''', '''[[ч̓]]''')}}.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | url = https://yadi.sk/i/orTcI91mggyb5Q | first = П.К. | last = Усларъ | title = Этнографія Кавказа. Языкознаніе. Абхазскій языкъ | place = Тифлисъ | year = 1887 | publisher = Типографія канцеларіи Главноначальстующаго гражданскою частію на Кавказѣ | format = PDF | language = ru | pages = VIII-IX}}&lt;/ref&gt; Bukva {{Calibri|'''т̓'''}} ({{MFA|tʰ}}) zastupila Uslarovu bukvu {{Calibri|'''т̧'''}}, jednakože ona ne prijela se, a v pozdnějših versijah [[Abhazsky alfabet|abhazskogo alfabeta]] prvopočetna Uslarova versija prěobrazila se v '''[[ꚋ]]''' i od 1954 g. v '''[[ҭ]]'''.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | url = https://yadi.sk/i/-cFRKsreuz7r3 | format = PDF | last = Бгажба | first = Х.С. | title = Из истории письменности в Абхазии | place = Тбилиси | year = 1967 | publisher = Мецниереба | language = ru | pages = 68}}&lt;/ref&gt; Ob izgovoru '''к̓''', '''п̓''' i '''т̓''' Uslar piše: ''«Razlika medžu njimi i k, p, t jest v suprovadžajučem jih legkom pridyhan‌ju, ktoro jest velmi primětna za sluh tuzemcev, ale izběgaje evropejcam.»''&lt;ref&gt;Uslar (1887), str. 11.&lt;/ref&gt; Priklad: {{Calibri|ат̓ааꚏа}} «sěmejstvo» (v sučasnoj abhazskoj ortografiji: {{Calibri|аҭаацәа}}).&lt;ref&gt;Uslar (1887), str. 161.&lt;/ref&gt;

== Kabardinsky alfabet Lopatinskogo i Tambijeva ==
V 1890 g. rosijsky lingvist i etnograf Lev Grigorjevič Lopatinskij publikoval slovnik [[Kabardino-čerkessky jezyk|kabardino-čerkesskogo jezyka]]. V upotrěbjenoj jim ortografiji nahodili se 56 znakov, vključajuči až sedm bukv s komoju: {{Calibri|('''[[к̓]]''', '''[[п̓]]''', '''т̓''', '''[[ц̓]]''', '''[[ф̓]]''', '''[[ҫ̓]]''', [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter voiceless L with comma above.svg|14px]])}}.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | url = https://viewer.rusneb.ru/ru/000202_000006_2582271?page=19&amp;rotate=0&amp;theme=white | last = Лопатинский | first = Л.Г. | title = Русско-кабардинский словарь с указателем и краткою грамматикою | place = Тифлис | publisher = Управленіе Кавказскаго Учебнаго Округа | year = 1890 | pages = 10 | language = ru}}&lt;/ref&gt; Kako v osetinskom, tute bukvy označajut ejektivne suglasky, v sučasnoj kabardino-čerkasskom pravopisu označane [[Paločka|paločkoju]] ('''Ӏ'''). Takto '''{{Calibri|т̓}}''' označaje zvuk {{MFA|tʼ}} i odpovědaje sučasnomu dvuznaku '''{{-|тӀ}}''',&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/kabardian.htm | first = Simon | last = Ager | title = Kabardian (Къэбэрдейбзэ) | website = Omniglot.com | access-date = 2026-02-28}}&lt;/ref&gt; napriklad: {{Calibri|т̓[[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Yeru with connecting stroke.svg|11px|link=᲋]]гў}} «obuh» (v sučasnom pravopisu: {{Calibri|тIыгу}}. Mimohodom, tutoj alfabet ne našel široko priměnjen‌je.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = http://intercircass.org/?p=346 | title = Об азбуках кабардинских | first = М.К. | last = Шакова | website = intercircass.org | date = 2011-11-17 | language = ru | access-date = 2026-02-28}}&lt;/ref&gt;

== Sěverovozhodnokavkazske alfabety Dirra ==
Na početku 20. stolětja němečsko-rosijsky lingvist i etnograf Adolf Dirr stvoril alfabety za red menših [[Sěverovozhodnokavkazske jezyky|sěverovozhodnokavkazskyh jezykov]]. One byli osnovane na alfabetah Sjögrena, Millera i Zavadskogo i koristane Dirrom v naučnyh monografijah o tyh jezykah, ačekoli nikogda ne byli v upotrěbě u samogo naseljen‌ja. Bukva '''{{Calibri|т̓}}''' javi se v alfabetah stvorjenyh Dirrom za [[Tabasaransky jezyk|tabasaransky]] (1905)&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://cloud.mail.ru/public/M7pd/2Z5eEJnZW?/public/c8c22b4cbdcd%2F%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9F%D0%9A_1905_35.pdf | first = А.М. | last = Дирръ | title = Грамматическій очеркъ табассаранскаго языка | journal = Сборникъ матеріалов для описанія мѣстностей и племенъ Кавказа. Выпускъ 35 | year = 1905 | place = Тифлисъ | language = ru | pages = III: 1}}&lt;/ref&gt;, [[Andijsky jezyk|andijsky]] (1906)&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://cloud.mail.ru/public/Wh3H/3SeHvrm4u?/public/4bb304fc44ec%2F%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9F%D0%9A_1906_36.pdf | first = А.М. | last = Дирръ | title = Краткій грамматическій очеркъ андійского языка | journal = Сборникъ матеріалов для описанія мѣстностей и племенъ Кавказа. Выпускъ 36 | year = 1906 | place = Тифлисъ | language = ru | pages = IV: 1}}&lt;/ref&gt;, [[Agulsky jezyk|agulsky]] (1907)&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://cloud.mail.ru/public/3tnx/2CxLmvyPC?/public/a8a5054fb80c%2F%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9F%D0%9A_1907_37.pdf | first = А.М. | last = Дирръ | title = Агульскій языкъ. Грамматическій очеркъ, тексты, сборникъ агульскихъ слов съ русскимъ къ нему указателемъ | journal = Сборникъ матеріалов для описанія мѣстностей и племенъ Кавказа. Выпускъ 37 | year = 1907 | place = Тифлисъ | language = ru | pages = III: 1}}&lt;/ref&gt;, [[Arčinsky jezyk|arčinsky]] (1908)&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://cloud.mail.ru/public/2V7q/4MmrzoJb2?/public/51abdc5f4f0d%2F%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9F%D0%9A_1908_39.pdf | first = А.М. | last = Дирръ | title = Арчинскій языкъ. Грамматическій очеркъ, тексты, сборникъ арчинскихъ словъ съ русскимъ къ нему указателемъ | journal = Сборникъ матеріалов для описанія мѣстностей и племенъ Кавказа. Выпускъ 39 | year = 1908 | place = Тифлисъ | language = ru | pages = III: 1}}&lt;/ref&gt;, [[Rutulsky jezyk|rutulsky]] (1912)&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | first = А.М. | last = Дирръ | title = Рутульскій языкъ | journal = Сборникъ матеріалов для описанія мѣстностей и племенъ Кавказа. Выпускъ 42 | year = 1912 | place = Тифлисъ | language = ru}}&lt;/ref&gt; i [[Cahursky jezyk|cahursky]] (1913)&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://cloud.mail.ru/public/3qtv/2GsijNJHW?/public/4f201873c712%2F%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9F%D0%9A_1913_43.pdf | first = А.М. | last = Дирръ | title = Цахурскій языкъ. Грамматическій очеркъ, тексты, сборникъ цахурскихъ словъ съ русскимъ къ нему указателемъ | journal = Сборникъ матеріалов для описанія мѣстностей и племенъ Кавказа. Выпускъ 43 | year = 1913 | place = Тифлисъ | language = ru | pages = III: 1}}&lt;/ref&gt; jezyk, a takože v kratših opisah někojih bezpisemnyh jezykov Kavkaza.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://cloud.mail.ru/public/676e65915602%2F%D0%A1%D0%9C%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9F%D0%9A_1909_40.pdf | first = А.М. | last = Дирръ | title = Матеріалы для изученія языковъ и нарѣчій андо-дидойской группы | journal = Сборникъ матеріалов для описанія мѣстностей и племенъ Кавказа. Выпускъ 40 | year = 1909 | place = Тифлисъ | language = ru}}&lt;/ref&gt; Ob izgovoru Dirr piše v knigě o tabasaranskom, že ''«{{Calibri|т̓}} odnosi se k {{Calibri|т}} kako {{Calibri|п̓}} k {{Calibri|п}}, pri čem trěba primětiti, že {{Calibri|т̓}} izgovarjaje se končikom jezyka, ktory opiraje se silno na městu sjedinjen‌ja vrhnjih zubov s desnami.»''&lt;ref&gt;Dirr (1905), str. 2.&lt;/ref&gt; Prikladno slovo v tabasaranskom: {{Calibri|т̓ун}} «koryto» (v sučasnoj ortografiji: {{Calibri|тӀун}} {{MFA|t’un}}.&lt;ref&gt;Dirr (1905), str. 206.&lt;/ref&gt; V opisah ostalyh jezykov Dirr piše toliko, že izgovor jest kako v tabasaranskom.

[[Fajl:Tabasaransky alfabet Dirra (1905).png | thumb | left | 600px | Tabasaransky alfabet A.M. Dirra (1905)]]{{Clear}}

== Kodovan‌je ==
Bukva {{Calibri|'''Т̓ т̓'''}} ne jest dostupna v [[Unikod]]u kako samostojny znak, ale može byti pisana s pomočju kombinujučego diakritičnogo znaka:

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== Iztočniky ==
{{Iztočniky}}

== Vněšnje linky ==
* {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+0422 | title = U+0422 Cyrillic Capital Letter Te | website = codepoints.net | language = en}}
* {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+0442| title = U+0442 Cyrillic Small Letter Te | website = codepoints.net | language = en}}
* {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+0313 | title = U+0313 Combining Comma Above | website = codepoints.net | language = en}}

{{Kirilica}}
{{Varianty bukvy Т}}
[[Kategorija:Kirilične bukvy|Т]]
[[Kategorija:Кириличне буквы|Т]]</text>
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'''Ҧ''', '''ҧ''' (''pe s hakom po srědině'', {{Jezyky|en|pe with middle hook}}) jest bukva razširjenoj [[Kirilica|kirilice]], ktora v minulosti byla upotrěbjena v někojih [[Kavkazske jezyky|jezykah Kavkaza]] za pridyhano ili ejektivno '''{{-|п}}'''. V sistemě {{-|[[ISO 9]]}} za transliteraciju na latinicu ona zaměnjaje se na '''{{-|ṕ}}'''.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://transliteration.eki.ee/pdf/Abkhaz_3.0.pdf | title = Transliteration of Abkhaz | first = Thomas T. | last = Pedersen | website = transliteration.eki.ee | access-date = 2025-12-03}}&lt;/ref&gt;

== V osetinskom ==
[[Fajl:Ossetian alphabet in Sjögren 1844.jpg | thumb | 400px | Osetinsky alfabet Sjögrena (1844)]]
V [[osetinsky jezyk]] ona byla vvedena v 1844 g.  rosijskym akademikom finskogo proizhodžen‌ja Andersom Sjögrenom, ktory opisal ju kako [[Ligatura|ligaturu]] bukv '''{{-|[[П]]}}''' i [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Shha with hook.svg|8px]].&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | last = Шёгрен | first = Андрей | title = Осетинская грамматика с краткимъ словаремъ осетинско-россійскимъ и россійско-осетинскимъ | url = https://books.google.com/books?id=NTdFAAAAYAAJ&amp;pg=PA9 | place = Санктпетербургъ |year = 1844 | language = ru | pages = 22}}&lt;/ref&gt; Ona takože nahodila se v alfabetah Iosifa Čepigovskogo (1862) i učiteljskogo sjezda (1917), osnovanyh ha Sjögrenovoj azbukě. S prěhodom na [[Latinica|latinsky alfabet]] v 1923 g. ona byla zaměnjena na {{-|'''p’'''}}, a potom na {{-|'''ph'''}}. V nyněšnjem kiriličnom alfabetu, v [[Sěverna Osetija|Sěvernoj Osetiji]] vvedenom v 1938 g., a v [[Južna Osetija|Južnoj Osetiji]] v 1954 g., jejnu rolju prějel dvuznak {{-|'''пъ'''}}, ktory označaje bilabialny ejektivny eksplosiv {{MFA|p’}}.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/ossetian.htm | title = Ossetian (ирон ӕвзаг / дигорон ӕвзаг) | first = Simon | last = Ager | website = Omniglot.com | access-date = 2015-12-03}}&lt;/ref&gt;

[[Fajl:Ossetian alphabet in Chepigovski (1884).jpg | thumb | left | 400px | Osetinsky alfabet Čepigovskogo (1884)]]
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== V abhazskom ==
[[Fajl:Stamp of Abkhazia - 1994 - Colnect 718661 - New Athos cathedral of the XIX centuries.jpeg | thumb | 180px | Bukva '''ҧ''' v nazvě Abhazije ({{Lang|ab|Аҧсны}}) na poštnoj markě iz 1994 g.]]
V [[Abhazsky jezyk|abhazskom]] bukva '''ҧ''' označaje pridyhany bezzvučny bilabialny eksplosiv {{MFA|pʰ}}.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/abkhaz.htm | title = Abkhaz (аҧсуа бызшәа) | first = Simon | last = Ager | website = Omniglot.com | access-date = 2015-12-03}}&lt;/ref&gt; Ona byla vvedena kavkazologom [[Pjotr Uslar|Pjotrom Uslarom]] v 1862 g.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | url = https://docs.yandex.ru/docs/view?url=ya-disk-public%3A%2F%2FSHEPIfcSUDm6N9cbTjDQq5EJ%2BxndFVeLnXUon%2BjQhPw%3D&amp;name=Uslar_K_Etnografiya_Kavkaza_Jazykoznanie_Abkhazsky_jazyk_1862.pdf | first = Петр | last = Услар | title = Этнографія Кавказа. Языкознаніе. Абхазскій языкъ | place = Тифлисъ | year = 1862}}&lt;/ref&gt; V svojem izdan‌ju Uslarovyh děl ukrajinsky pedagog Myhajlo Zavadsky zaměnil ju na {{Calibri|'''п̓'''}}, ale drugi avtori – I. Bartolomej (1865), D. Gulija i K. Mačariani (1892), Prěvodničsky komitet (početok 20. stolětja), A. Čočua (1909) – dalje koristali '''ҧ'''.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | url = http://apsnyteka.org/file/Bartolomey_Abkhazskiy_bukvar_.pdf | last = Бартоломей | first = Иван Алексеевич | title = Абхазскій букварь | place = Тифлисъ | year = 1865 | pages =  1}}&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | url = http://apsnyteka.org/file/Machavariani_Abkhazskaya_azbuka.pdf | first1 = Д.И. | last1 = Гулиа | first2 = К.Д. | last2 = Мачавариани | title = Абхазская азбука. Главнѣйшія молитвы и заповѣди на абхазскомъ и церковно-славянскомъ языкахъ | place = Тифлисъ | year = 1892 | pages = 13}}&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | url = http://apsnyteka.org/file/Chochua_Abkhazskaya_azbuka_1909.pdf | first = А.М. | last = Ч̆оч̆уа | title = Аԥсуа Анбан, Абхазская азбука | place = Тифлисъ | publisher = Изданiе Кавказскаго Учебнаго Округа | year = 1909}}&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref name=&quot;Bgažba&quot;&gt;{{Cite book | url = https://yadi.sk/i/-cFRKsreuz7r3 | last = Бгажба | first = Х.С. | title = Из истории письменности в Абхазии | place = Тбилиси | year = 1967 | publisher = Мецниереба | language = ru | pages = 67}}&lt;/ref&gt; S vveden‌jem latinskoj alfabeta za abhazsky jezyk rolju bukvy '''ҧ''' prějela latinska bukva '''{{-|φ}}''' v 1926 g., a '''{{-|p}}''' v 1928 g. (zaměsto «obyčnoj» bukvy {{-|'''п'''}} bylo vvedeno [[Fajl:Latin small letter open P.svg|11px]]). '''Ҧ''' vrnulo se v 1954 s povratom kirilice, ale v ramkah harmonizacije v alfabetami drugyh jezykov bylo zaměnjeno na '''[[ԥ]]''' v 1998 g.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web |url = http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2008/08144r-n3435r-abkhaz.pdf | title = Proposal to encode two Cyrillic characters for Abkhaz | date  = 2008-05-10 | format = PDF |accessdate = 2025-12-03 | language = en | archive-date = 2021-01-19 | archive-url =  https://web.archive.org/web/20210119133311/http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2008/08144r-n3435r-abkhaz.pdf}}&lt;/ref&gt; Mimohodom, težko jest različati medžu ručno napisanymi '''ҧ''' i '''ԥ''':

[[Fajl:Gulija, Machavariani Abkhazskaja azbuka - 1892.jpg | thumb | 600px| left | Abhazska azbuka Gulija i Mačavariani (1892)]]
[[Fajl:Chochua Abkhazskaya azbuka 1909.jpg | thumb | 600px| left | Abhazska azbuka Čočua (1909)]]{{Clear}}

== V drugyh jezykah ==
Bukva '''ҧ''' takože byla koristana v bukvaru [[Svansky jezyk|svanskogo jezyka]] iz 1864 g. i [[Megrelsky jezyk|megrelskogo jezyka]] iz 1899 g.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | title = Лушну Анбан. Сванетская азбука | place = Тифлисъ | publisher = Типографія Главнаго Управленія Намѣстникa Кавказскаго | year = 1864 | pages = 1}}&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | url = http://openlibrary.ge/bitstream/123456789/6459/1/Mengrelskaia%20Azbuka-1899.pdf | author = М.З. [Myhajlo Zavadskyj] | title = Мингрельская азбука | place = Тифлисъ | year = 1899 | pages = I, III | language = ru}}&lt;/ref&gt;

{|
|- valign=top
| [[Fajl:Svan Cyrillic alphabet.jpg | thumb | 300px | Svansky alfabet (1864)]]
| [[Fajl:Mingrelian Cyrillic alphabet (1899).png| thumb | 400px | Megrelsky alfabet (1899)]]
|}

== Kodovan‌je ==
{| class=wikitable style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
! colspan=2 | Kodovan‌je
! style=&quot;font-size:large;&quot; | {{-|Ҧ}}
! style=&quot;font-size:large;&quot; | {{-|ҧ}}
|-
! colspan=2 | Nazva v Unikodu 
| {{-|CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER PE WITH MIDDLE HOOK}}
| {{-|CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER PE WITH MIDDLE HOOK}}
|-
! rowspan=2 | Unikod !! šestnadseterična sistema
| {{-|U+04A6}}
| {{-|U+04A7}}
|-
! deseterična sistema
| 1190
| 1191
|-
! rowspan=2 | {{-|HTML}} !! šestnadseterična sistema
| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#x4a6;&lt;/code&gt;
| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#x4a7;&lt;/code&gt; 
|-
! deseterična sistema
| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#1190;&lt;/code&gt;
| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#1191;&lt;/code&gt;
|}

== Vněšnje linky ==
* {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+04A6 | title = U+04A6 Cyrillic Capital Letter Pe with Middle Hook | website = codepoints.net | language = en}}
* {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+04A7| title = U+04A7 Cyrillic Small Letter Pe with Middle Hook | website = codepoints.net | language = en}}

== Iztočniky ==
{{Iztočniky}}

{{Kirilica}}
{{Varianty bukvy П}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:П}}
[[Kategorija:Kirilične bukvy]]
[[Kategorija:Кириличне буквы]]</text>
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      <text bytes="2857" sha1="1tgb0rn2knv0myown5afsd84zem8hrk" xml:space="preserve">[[Fajl:Cyrillic letter Pe with descender.svg | right | 240px]]
[[Fajl:Current, modern, and original Abkhaz Alphabet.jpg | thumb | 300px | Abhazsky kiriličny alfabet, pokazyvane sut i stare versije s hakom (ҕ, ҧ) i nove s nižnjeju črtkoju (ӷ, ԥ)]]
'''Ԥ''', '''ԥ''' (''pe s nižnjeju črtkoju'', {{Jezyky|en|pe with descender}}) jest bukva razširjenoj [[Kirilica|kirilice]], variant bukvy '''{{-|[[п]]}}''', ktory v [[Abhazsky jezyk|abhazskom jezyku]] služi za označen‌je pridyhanogo bezzvučnogo bilabialnogo eksplosiva {{MFA|pʰ}}. Ona byla vvedena v 1998 g. zaměsto poprědnjej bukvy '''[[ҧ]]''' v ramkah harmonizacije s alfabetami drugyh jezykov.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web |url = http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2008/08144r-n3435r-abkhaz.pdf | title = Proposal to encode two Cyrillic characters for Abkhaz | date  = 2008-05-10 | format = PDF |accessdate = 2025-12-03 | language = en | archive-date = 2021-01-19 | archive-url =  https://web.archive.org/web/20210119133311/http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2008/08144r-n3435r-abkhaz.pdf}}&lt;/ref&gt; Jednočasno rukopisne formy oboh bukv izgledajut praktično identično:

[[Fajl:Gulija, Machavariani Abkhazskaja azbuka - 1892.jpg | thumb | 600px| center | Abhazska azbuka Gulija i Mačavariani (1892)]]

V sistemě {{-|[[ISO 9]]}} za transliteraciju na latinicu ona zaměnjaje se na '''{{-|p̀}}'''.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.scriptsource.org/cms/scripts/page.php?item_id=entry_detail&amp;uid=tk6f3uxlzf | title = Cyrillic Romanization Table | website = Scriptsource.org | access-date = 2025-12-03}}&lt;/ref&gt;

V russkoj internet-kulturě bukva '''Ԥ''' jest razprostranjena kako «slovo {{-|ПЦ}}», ktoro simbolizuje necenzurno slovo {{Lang|ru|пиздец}} «bordelj, zajebancija». 

{{Clear}}

== Kodovan‌je ==
{| class=wikitable style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot;
! colspan=2 | Kodovan‌je
! style=&quot;font-size:large;&quot; | {{-|Ԥ}}
! style=&quot;font-size:large;&quot; | {{-|ԥ}}
|-
! colspan=2 | Nazva v Unikodu 
| {{-|CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER PE WITH DESCENDER}}
| {{-|CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER PE WITH DESCENDER}}
|-
! rowspan=2 | Unikod !! šestnadseterična sistema
| {{-|U+0524}}
| {{-|U+0525}}
|-
! deseterična sistema
| 1316
| 1317
|-
! rowspan=2 | {{-|HTML}} !! šestnadseterična sistema
| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#x524;&lt;/code&gt;
| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#x525;&lt;/code&gt; 
|-
! deseterična sistema
| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#1316;&lt;/code&gt;
| &lt;code&gt;&amp;amp;#1317;&lt;/code&gt;
|}

== Iztočniky ==
{{Iztočniky}}

== Vněšnje linky ==
* {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+0524 | title = U+0524 Cyrillic Capital Letter Pe with Descender | website = codepoints.net | language = en}}
* {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+0525| title = U+0525 Cyrillic Small Letter Pe with Descender | website = codepoints.net | language = en}}

{{Kirilica}}
{{Varianty bukvy П}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:П}}
[[Kategorija:Kirilične bukvy]]
[[Kategorija:Кириличне буквы]]</text>
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      <comment>Pěskovišče jest upotrěbjeno</comment>
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      <text bytes="2710" sha1="9j6628cmovh7wfziv1c4gyuybut0lgm" xml:space="preserve">{{Koristnik:Polda18/zaglavje}}

== Razvivanje šablonov ==
{| class=&quot;wikitable plainlinks&quot; style=&quot;width: 100%;&quot;
! style=&quot;background-color: #ffcccc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 1/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ffcccc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 2/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 3/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 4/]]
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! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 6/]]
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| [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Šablony/Pěskovišče 1|action=edit&amp;oldid=27401&amp;summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Šablony/Pěskovišče 2|action=edit&amp;oldid=27402&amp;summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Šablony/Pěskovišče 3|action=edit&amp;oldid=27403&amp;summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Šablony/Pěskovišče 4|action=edit&amp;oldid=27404&amp;summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Šablony/Pěskovišče 5|action=edit&amp;oldid=27405&amp;summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Šablony/Pěskovišče 6|action=edit&amp;oldid=27406&amp;summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
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| [[/Pěskovišče 1/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 2/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 3/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 4/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 5/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 6/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
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| [[/Pěskovišče 1/Dokumentacija|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
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| [[/Pěskovišče 5/Dokumentacija|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 6/Dokumentacija|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
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== Kolory (semafor) ==
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ffcccc;&quot;&gt;#ffcccc&lt;/code&gt;
: Pěskovišče sodrživa aktivno razvivany šablon (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije)
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ffffcc;&quot;&gt;#ffffcc&lt;/code&gt;
: Razvivany šablon jest skoro gotovy, samo potrěbuje jedino drobne pravky ili popravky (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije)
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot;&gt;#ccffcc&lt;/code&gt;
: Pěskovišče jest vakantno</text>
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      <comment>Poprava linkov modulov</comment>
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Tuto pěskovišče ne imaje premo funkcionalny kod programističnogo jezyka Lua, to jest samo prědloženje dlja administratorov Vikipedije.

== Razvivanje modulov ==
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! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 4/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 5/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 6/]]
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| [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 1|action=edit&amp;oldid=27407&amp;summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 2|action=edit&amp;oldid=27408&amp;summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
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| [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 4|action=edit&amp;oldid=27410&amp;summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
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| [[/Pěskovišče 1/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 2/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 3/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 4/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 5/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 6/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
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| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 6|Link modula]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|-
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|}

== Kolory (semafor) ==
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ffcccc;&quot;&gt;#ffcccc&lt;/code&gt;
: Pěskovišče sodrživa aktivno razvivany modul (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije)
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ffffcc;&quot;&gt;#ffffcc&lt;/code&gt;
: Razvivany modul jest skoro gotovy, samo potrěbuje jedino drobne pravky ili popravky (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije)
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot;&gt;#ccffcc&lt;/code&gt;
: Pěskovišče jest vakantno

== Zaglavje ==
Kako jest pěskovišče upotrěbjeno, na vrhu stranice vy uvidite [[/Zaglavje|tuten moj koristničsky šablon]]:
{{/Zaglavje}}

V izvornom kodu jest tuten šablon napisany takto:
&lt;pre&gt;
{{../Zaglavje}}
&lt;!-- PROSIMO! NEIZČRKNITE TUTO STRANICU BEZ PRIVOLJENJA VLASTNIKA, TAKO ŽE KORISTNIKA POLDA18 --&gt;
&lt;/pre&gt;

Pod tutym šablonom jest vvedeny samotny izvorny kod modula. Izvorny kod obsegaje komentare, ktore izjasnet funkciju modula.

== Dokumentacija ==
Podstranica &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;[[/zapisky]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; každogo pěskovišča jest dokumentacijeju tutogo modula. Kako jest pěskovišče vakantno, dokumentacija ne jest vidima. Samo kako jest pěskovišče upotrěbjeno, dokumentacija jest vstavjena koristničskom šablonom &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{&lt;/nowiki&gt;..[[/Dokumentacija]]&lt;nowiki&gt;}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.</text>
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      <timestamp>2026-07-17T13:01:40Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Polda18</username>
        <id>18</id>
      </contributor>
      <comment>/* Razvivanje modulov */ Linky dlja modulov + izkrčnutje (X)</comment>
      <origin>29012</origin>
      <model>wikitext</model>
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      <text bytes="4574" sha1="b913r7h62r94mhvq015imh0daf1623q" xml:space="preserve">{{Koristnik:Polda18/zaglavje}}

Tuto pěskovišče ne imaje premo funkcionalny kod programističnogo jezyka Lua, to jest samo prědloženje dlja administratorov Vikipedije.

== Razvivanje modulov ==
{| class=&quot;wikitable plainlinks&quot; style=&quot;width: 100%;&quot;
! style=&quot;background-color: #ffcccc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 1/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 2/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 3/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 4/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 5/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 6/]]
|-
| [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 1|action=edit&amp;oldid=27407&amp;summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 2|action=edit&amp;oldid=27408&amp;summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 3|action=edit&amp;oldid=27409&amp;summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 4|action=edit&amp;oldid=27410&amp;summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 5|action=edit&amp;oldid=27411&amp;summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 6|action=edit&amp;oldid=27412&amp;summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
|-
| [[/Pěskovišče 1/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 2/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 3/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 4/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 5/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 6/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|-
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 1|Link modula]] [[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 1|action=edit&amp;oldid=29005}} X]]
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 2|Link modula]] [[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 2|action=edit&amp;oldid=29006}} X]]
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 3|Link modula]] [[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 3|action=edit&amp;oldid=29007}} X]]
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 4|Link modula]] [[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 4|action=edit&amp;oldid=29008}} X]]
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 5|Link modula]] [[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 5|action=edit&amp;oldid=29010}} X]]
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 6|Link modula]] [[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 6|action=edit&amp;oldid=29011}} X]]
|-
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 1/doc|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 2/doc|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 3/doc|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 4/doc|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 5/doc|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 6/doc|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|}

== Kolory (semafor) ==
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ffcccc;&quot;&gt;#ffcccc&lt;/code&gt;
: Pěskovišče sodrživa aktivno razvivany modul (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije)
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ffffcc;&quot;&gt;#ffffcc&lt;/code&gt;
: Razvivany modul jest skoro gotovy, samo potrěbuje jedino drobne pravky ili popravky (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije)
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot;&gt;#ccffcc&lt;/code&gt;
: Pěskovišče jest vakantno

== Zaglavje ==
Kako jest pěskovišče upotrěbjeno, na vrhu stranice vy uvidite [[/Zaglavje|tuten moj koristničsky šablon]]:
{{/Zaglavje}}

V izvornom kodu jest tuten šablon napisany takto:
&lt;pre&gt;
{{../Zaglavje}}
&lt;!-- PROSIMO! NEIZČRKNITE TUTO STRANICU BEZ PRIVOLJENJA VLASTNIKA, TAKO ŽE KORISTNIKA POLDA18 --&gt;
&lt;/pre&gt;

Pod tutym šablonom jest vvedeny samotny izvorny kod modula. Izvorny kod obsegaje komentare, ktore izjasnet funkciju modula.

== Dokumentacija ==
Podstranica &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;[[/zapisky]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; každogo pěskovišča jest dokumentacijeju tutogo modula. Kako jest pěskovišče vakantno, dokumentacija ne jest vidima. Samo kako jest pěskovišče upotrěbjeno, dokumentacija jest vstavjena koristničskom šablonom &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{&lt;/nowiki&gt;..[[/Dokumentacija]]&lt;nowiki&gt;}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.</text>
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      <parentid>29012</parentid>
      <timestamp>2026-07-17T15:22:28Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Polda18</username>
        <id>18</id>
      </contributor>
      <comment>/* Dokumentacija */ .</comment>
      <origin>29036</origin>
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      <format>text/x-wiki</format>
      <text bytes="4396" sha1="sibrtlyxwdt09w7fj4iqrumy5cur0al" xml:space="preserve">{{Koristnik:Polda18/zaglavje}}

Tuto pěskovišče ne imaje premo funkcionalny kod programističnogo jezyka Lua, to jest samo prědloženje dlja administratorov Vikipedije.

== Razvivanje modulov ==
{| class=&quot;wikitable plainlinks&quot; style=&quot;width: 100%;&quot;
! style=&quot;background-color: #ffcccc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 1/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 2/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 3/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 4/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 5/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 6/]]
|-
| [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 1|action=edit&amp;oldid=27407&amp;summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 2|action=edit&amp;oldid=27408&amp;summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 3|action=edit&amp;oldid=27409&amp;summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 4|action=edit&amp;oldid=27410&amp;summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 5|action=edit&amp;oldid=27411&amp;summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 6|action=edit&amp;oldid=27412&amp;summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
|-
| [[/Pěskovišče 1/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 2/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 3/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 4/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 5/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 6/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|-
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 1|Link modula]] [[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 1|action=edit&amp;oldid=29005}} X]]
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 2|Link modula]] [[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 2|action=edit&amp;oldid=29006}} X]]
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 3|Link modula]] [[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 3|action=edit&amp;oldid=29007}} X]]
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 4|Link modula]] [[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 4|action=edit&amp;oldid=29008}} X]]
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 5|Link modula]] [[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 5|action=edit&amp;oldid=29010}} X]]
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 6|Link modula]] [[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 6|action=edit&amp;oldid=29011}} X]]
|-
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 1/doc|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 2/doc|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 3/doc|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 4/doc|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 5/doc|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 6/doc|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|}

== Kolory (semafor) ==
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ffcccc;&quot;&gt;#ffcccc&lt;/code&gt;
: Pěskovišče sodrživa aktivno razvivany modul (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije)
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ffffcc;&quot;&gt;#ffffcc&lt;/code&gt;
: Razvivany modul jest skoro gotovy, samo potrěbuje jedino drobne pravky ili popravky (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije)
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot;&gt;#ccffcc&lt;/code&gt;
: Pěskovišče jest vakantno

== Zaglavje ==
Kako jest pěskovišče upotrěbjeno, na vrhu stranice vy uvidite [[/Zaglavje|tuten moj koristničsky šablon]]:
{{/Zaglavje}}

V izvornom kodu jest tuten šablon napisany takto:
&lt;pre&gt;
{{../Zaglavje}}
&lt;!-- PROSIMO! NEIZČRKNITE TUTO STRANICU BEZ PRIVOLJENJA VLASTNIKA, TAKO ŽE KORISTNIKA POLDA18 --&gt;
&lt;/pre&gt;

Pod tutym šablonom jest vvedeny samotny izvorny kod modula. Izvorny kod obsegaje komentare, ktore izjasnet funkciju modula.

== Dokumentacija ==
Samo kako jest pěskovišče upotrěbjeno, dokumentacija jest vstavjena koristničskom šablonom &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{&lt;/nowiki&gt;..[[/Dokumentacija]]&lt;nowiki&gt;}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.</text>
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    </revision>
    <revision>
      <id>29060</id>
      <parentid>29036</parentid>
      <timestamp>2026-07-17T17:08:16Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Polda18</username>
        <id>18</id>
      </contributor>
      <comment>/* Razvivanje modulov */ ina sistema</comment>
      <origin>29060</origin>
      <model>wikitext</model>
      <format>text/x-wiki</format>
      <text bytes="3451" sha1="scd4erhljzw1toikw48kyo0vhg09ckh" xml:space="preserve">{{Koristnik:Polda18/zaglavje}}

Tuto pěskovišče ne imaje premo funkcionalny kod programističnogo jezyka Lua, to jest samo prědloženje dlja administratorov Vikipedije.

== Razvivanje modulov ==
{| class=&quot;wikitable plainlinks&quot; style=&quot;width: 100%;&quot;
! style=&quot;background-color: #ffcccc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 1/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 2/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 3/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 4/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 5/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 6/]]
|-
[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 1|action=edit&amp;oldid=29005&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 2|action=edit&amp;oldid=29006&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 3|action=edit&amp;oldid=29007&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 4|action=edit&amp;oldid=29008&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 5|action=edit&amp;oldid=29010&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 6|action=edit&amp;oldid=29011&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
|-
| [[/Pěskovišče 1/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 2/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 3/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 4/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 5/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[/Pěskovišče 6/zapisky|Zapisky]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|-
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 1/doc|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 2/doc|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 3/doc|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 4/doc|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 5/doc|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 6/doc|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|}

== Kolory (semafor) ==
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ffcccc;&quot;&gt;#ffcccc&lt;/code&gt;
: Pěskovišče sodrživa aktivno razvivany modul (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije)
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ffffcc;&quot;&gt;#ffffcc&lt;/code&gt;
: Razvivany modul jest skoro gotovy, samo potrěbuje jedino drobne pravky ili popravky (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije)
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot;&gt;#ccffcc&lt;/code&gt;
: Pěskovišče jest vakantno

== Zaglavje ==
Kako jest pěskovišče upotrěbjeno, na vrhu stranice vy uvidite [[/Zaglavje|tuten moj koristničsky šablon]]:
{{/Zaglavje}}

V izvornom kodu jest tuten šablon napisany takto:
&lt;pre&gt;
{{../Zaglavje}}
&lt;!-- PROSIMO! NEIZČRKNITE TUTO STRANICU BEZ PRIVOLJENJA VLASTNIKA, TAKO ŽE KORISTNIKA POLDA18 --&gt;
&lt;/pre&gt;

Pod tutym šablonom jest vvedeny samotny izvorny kod modula. Izvorny kod obsegaje komentare, ktore izjasnet funkciju modula.

== Dokumentacija ==
Samo kako jest pěskovišče upotrěbjeno, dokumentacija jest vstavjena koristničskom šablonom &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{&lt;/nowiki&gt;..[[/Dokumentacija]]&lt;nowiki&gt;}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.</text>
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    </revision>
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      <timestamp>2026-07-17T17:17:25Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Polda18</username>
        <id>18</id>
      </contributor>
      <comment>/* Razvivanje modulov */ ...</comment>
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      <format>text/x-wiki</format>
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Tuto pěskovišče ne imaje premo funkcionalny kod programističnogo jezyka Lua, to jest samo prědloženje dlja administratorov Vikipedije.

== Razvivanje modulov ==
{| class=&quot;wikitable plainlinks&quot; style=&quot;width: 100%;&quot;
! style=&quot;background-color: #ffcccc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 1/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 2/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 3/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 4/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 5/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 6/]]
|-
| [{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 1|action=edit&amp;oldid=29005&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 2|action=edit&amp;oldid=29006&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 3|action=edit&amp;oldid=29007&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 4|action=edit&amp;oldid=29008&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 5|action=edit&amp;oldid=29010&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 6|action=edit&amp;oldid=29011&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
|-
| [[/Pěskovišče 1/zapisky|Zapisky]] [[{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 1/zapisky|action=edit&amp;oldid=29061&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
| [[/Pěskovišče 2/zapisky|Zapisky]] [[{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 2/zapisky|action=edit&amp;oldid=29062&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
| [[/Pěskovišče 3/zapisky|Zapisky]] [[{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 3/zapisky|action=edit&amp;oldid=29063&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
| [[/Pěskovišče 4/zapisky|Zapisky]] [[{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 4/zapisky|action=edit&amp;oldid=29064&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
| [[/Pěskovišče 5/zapisky|Zapisky]] [[{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 5/zapisky|action=edit&amp;oldid=29065&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
| [[/Pěskovišče 6/zapisky|Zapisky]] [[{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 6/zapisky|action=edit&amp;oldid=29066&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
|-
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 1/doc|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 2/doc|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 3/doc|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 4/doc|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 5/doc|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 6/doc|Dokumentacija]] &lt;nowiki&gt;[X]&lt;/nowiki&gt;
|}

== Kolory (semafor) ==
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ffcccc;&quot;&gt;#ffcccc&lt;/code&gt;
: Pěskovišče sodrživa aktivno razvivany modul (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije)
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ffffcc;&quot;&gt;#ffffcc&lt;/code&gt;
: Razvivany modul jest skoro gotovy, samo potrěbuje jedino drobne pravky ili popravky (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije)
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot;&gt;#ccffcc&lt;/code&gt;
: Pěskovišče jest vakantno

== Zaglavje ==
Kako jest pěskovišče upotrěbjeno, na vrhu stranice vy uvidite [[/Zaglavje|tuten moj koristničsky šablon]]:
{{/Zaglavje}}

V izvornom kodu jest tuten šablon napisany takto:
&lt;pre&gt;
{{../Zaglavje}}
&lt;!-- PROSIMO! NEIZČRKNITE TUTO STRANICU BEZ PRIVOLJENJA VLASTNIKA, TAKO ŽE KORISTNIKA POLDA18 --&gt;
&lt;/pre&gt;

Pod tutym šablonom jest vvedeny samotny izvorny kod modula. Izvorny kod obsegaje komentare, ktore izjasnet funkciju modula.

== Dokumentacija ==
Samo kako jest pěskovišče upotrěbjeno, dokumentacija jest vstavjena koristničskom šablonom &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{&lt;/nowiki&gt;..[[/Dokumentacija]]&lt;nowiki&gt;}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.</text>
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    </revision>
    <revision>
      <id>29075</id>
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      <timestamp>2026-07-17T17:26:05Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Polda18</username>
        <id>18</id>
      </contributor>
      <comment>/* Razvivanje modulov */ ...</comment>
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Tuto pěskovišče ne imaje premo funkcionalny kod programističnogo jezyka Lua, to jest samo prědloženje dlja administratorov Vikipedije.

== Razvivanje modulov ==
{| class=&quot;wikitable plainlinks&quot; style=&quot;width: 100%;&quot;
! style=&quot;background-color: #ffcccc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 1/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 2/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 3/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 4/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 5/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 6/]]
|-
| [{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 1|action=edit&amp;oldid=29005&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 2|action=edit&amp;oldid=29006&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 3|action=edit&amp;oldid=29007&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 4|action=edit&amp;oldid=29008&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 5|action=edit&amp;oldid=29010&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 6|action=edit&amp;oldid=29011&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
|-
| [[/Pěskovišče 1/zapisky|Zapisky]] [[{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 1/zapisky|action=edit&amp;oldid=29061&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
| [[/Pěskovišče 2/zapisky|Zapisky]] [[{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 2/zapisky|action=edit&amp;oldid=29062&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
| [[/Pěskovišče 3/zapisky|Zapisky]] [[{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 3/zapisky|action=edit&amp;oldid=29063&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
| [[/Pěskovišče 4/zapisky|Zapisky]] [[{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 4/zapisky|action=edit&amp;oldid=29064&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
| [[/Pěskovišče 5/zapisky|Zapisky]] [[{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 5/zapisky|action=edit&amp;oldid=29065&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
| [[/Pěskovišče 6/zapisky|Zapisky]] [[{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 6/zapisky|action=edit&amp;oldid=29066&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
|-
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 1/doc|Dokumentacija]] [[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 1/doc|action=edit&amp;oldid=29068&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 2/doc|Dokumentacija]] [[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 2/doc|action=edit&amp;oldid=29069&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 3/doc|Dokumentacija]] [[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 3/doc|action=edit&amp;oldid=29070&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 4/doc|Dokumentacija]] [[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 4/doc|action=edit&amp;oldid=29072&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 5/doc|Dokumentacija]] [[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 5/doc|action=edit&amp;oldid=29073&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 6/doc|Dokumentacija]] [[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 6/doc|action=edit&amp;oldid=29074&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
|}

== Kolory (semafor) ==
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ffcccc;&quot;&gt;#ffcccc&lt;/code&gt;
: Pěskovišče sodrživa aktivno razvivany modul (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije)
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ffffcc;&quot;&gt;#ffffcc&lt;/code&gt;
: Razvivany modul jest skoro gotovy, samo potrěbuje jedino drobne pravky ili popravky (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije)
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot;&gt;#ccffcc&lt;/code&gt;
: Pěskovišče jest vakantno

== Zaglavje ==
Kako jest pěskovišče upotrěbjeno, na vrhu stranice vy uvidite [[/Zaglavje|tuten moj koristničsky šablon]]:
{{/Zaglavje}}

V izvornom kodu jest tuten šablon napisany takto:
&lt;pre&gt;
{{../Zaglavje}}
&lt;!-- PROSIMO! NEIZČRKNITE TUTO STRANICU BEZ PRIVOLJENJA VLASTNIKA, TAKO ŽE KORISTNIKA POLDA18 --&gt;
&lt;/pre&gt;

Pod tutym šablonom jest vvedeny samotny izvorny kod modula. Izvorny kod obsegaje komentare, ktore izjasnet funkciju modula.

== Dokumentacija ==
Samo kako jest pěskovišče upotrěbjeno, dokumentacija jest vstavjena koristničskom šablonom &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{&lt;/nowiki&gt;..[[/Dokumentacija]]&lt;nowiki&gt;}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.</text>
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    </revision>
    <revision>
      <id>29096</id>
      <parentid>29075</parentid>
      <timestamp>2026-07-18T09:31:12Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Polda18</username>
        <id>18</id>
      </contributor>
      <comment>Poprava opisa pěskovišča</comment>
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      <text bytes="4886" sha1="0phtk8tkp866neanwl76fytdes1djo2" xml:space="preserve">{{Koristnik:Polda18/zaglavje}}

Tuto pěskovišče ne imaje premo funkcionalny kod programističnogo jezyka Lua, tuty izvorne kody sut v psevdoimennom prostoru ''Modul:Koristnik:'' kako ''Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče X'', kde ''X'' znači čislo pěskovišča.

== Razvivanje modulov ==
{| class=&quot;wikitable plainlinks&quot; style=&quot;width: 100%;&quot;
! style=&quot;background-color: #ffcccc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 1/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 2/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 3/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 4/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 5/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče 6/]]
|-
| [{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 1|action=edit&amp;oldid=29005&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 2|action=edit&amp;oldid=29006&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 3|action=edit&amp;oldid=29007&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 4|action=edit&amp;oldid=29008&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 5|action=edit&amp;oldid=29010&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
| [{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 6|action=edit&amp;oldid=29011&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče]
|-
| [[/Pěskovišče 1/zapisky|Zapisky]] [[{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 1/zapisky|action=edit&amp;oldid=29061&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
| [[/Pěskovišče 2/zapisky|Zapisky]] [[{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 2/zapisky|action=edit&amp;oldid=29062&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
| [[/Pěskovišče 3/zapisky|Zapisky]] [[{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 3/zapisky|action=edit&amp;oldid=29063&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
| [[/Pěskovišče 4/zapisky|Zapisky]] [[{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 4/zapisky|action=edit&amp;oldid=29064&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
| [[/Pěskovišče 5/zapisky|Zapisky]] [[{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 5/zapisky|action=edit&amp;oldid=29065&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
| [[/Pěskovišče 6/zapisky|Zapisky]] [[{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 6/zapisky|action=edit&amp;oldid=29066&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
|-
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 1/doc|Dokumentacija]] [[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 1/doc|action=edit&amp;oldid=29068&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 2/doc|Dokumentacija]] [[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 2/doc|action=edit&amp;oldid=29069&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 3/doc|Dokumentacija]] [[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 3/doc|action=edit&amp;oldid=29070&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 4/doc|Dokumentacija]] [[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 4/doc|action=edit&amp;oldid=29072&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 5/doc|Dokumentacija]] [[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 5/doc|action=edit&amp;oldid=29073&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
| [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 6/doc|Dokumentacija]] [[{{fullurl:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 6/doc|action=edit&amp;oldid=29074&amp;summary=Izkrčnutje%20pěskovišča}} X]]
|}

== Kolory (semafor) ==
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ffcccc;&quot;&gt;#ffcccc&lt;/code&gt;
: Pěskovišče sodrživa aktivno razvivany modul (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije)
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ffffcc;&quot;&gt;#ffffcc&lt;/code&gt;
: Razvivany modul jest skoro gotovy, samo potrěbuje jedino drobne pravky ili popravky (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije)
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot;&gt;#ccffcc&lt;/code&gt;
: Pěskovišče jest vakantno

== Zaglavje ==
Kako jest pěskovišče upotrěbjeno, na vrhu stranice vy uvidite [[/Zaglavje|tuten moj koristničsky šablon]]:
{{/Zaglavje}}

V izvornom kodu jest tuten šablon napisany takto:
&lt;pre&gt;
{{../Zaglavje}}
&lt;!-- PROSIMO! NEIZČRKNITE TUTO STRANICU BEZ PRIVOLJENJA VLASTNIKA, TAKO ŽE KORISTNIKA POLDA18 --&gt;
&lt;/pre&gt;

Pod tutym šablonom jest vvedeny samotny izvorny kod modula. Izvorny kod obsegaje komentare, ktore izjasnet funkciju modula.

== Dokumentacija ==
Samo kako jest pěskovišče upotrěbjeno, dokumentacija jest vstavjena koristničskom šablonom &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{&lt;/nowiki&gt;..[[/Dokumentacija]]&lt;nowiki&gt;}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.</text>
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        <id>18</id>
      </contributor>
      <minor />
      <comment>Eksperiment</comment>
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&lt;div id=&quot;Dokumentacija&quot; class=&quot;doc&quot;&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;doc-header plainlinks&quot;&gt;'''{{{glavica|Dokumentacija}}}'''{{#if: {{{tekst|}}} | | &amp;#32;{{#invoke:Navbar|navbar|{{{1|{{SUBJECTPAGENAME}}/Dokumentacija}}}|view|edit|history|purge}} }}&lt;/div&gt;
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| Nema teksta dokumentacije.{{#ifeq: {{NAMESPACENUMBER}} | 10 | [[Kategorija:Šablony:Bez dokumentacije]] }}

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&lt;!-- PROSIMO! NEIZČRKNITE TUTO STRANICU BEZ PRIVOLJENJA VLASTNIKA, TAKO ŽE KORISTNIKA POLDA18 --&gt;

&lt;pre&gt;
--[[
Dobrodošli na pěskovišču modulov.

Tuten modul možete upotrěbiti na testovanje različnyh funkcij programističnogo jezyka Lua i na razvivanje vlastnyh modulov.

Kako toliko budete gotovi s vašimi eksperimentami, ne zabudite na povračenje vaših pravok, načto vy možete upotrěbiti link v dokumentaciji.
]]

-- PROSIMO, NE MĚNJAJTE REDKY VYŠE! ČEKOLVEK NIŽE JEST VAKANTNO DLJA EKSPERIMENTOV. Kak uvidite někaku primětku od někakogo koristnika, že on rabotaje na něčemu, prosimo, prvo napišite na jego koristničsku besědu pytanje, či vy možete upotrěbiti tuten prostor.
-- Eksperimentalny prostor počina niže pod tutym redkom.

-- Prosta numeracija
local a = 5
local b = 10
print(a + b)
-- Rezultat: 15

-- Daljši bude dopolneno.
&lt;/pre&gt;
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      <comment>Popravka šablona</comment>
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! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon code.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''&lt;big&gt;&lt;u&gt;Tuta stranica jest prědloženje razvivanogo modula&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/big&gt;'''

Izvorny kod programističnogo jezyka Lua, ktory vidite niže, jest funkcionalny. Modul tutogo pěskovišča jest možno upotrěbiti volanim
&lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{&lt;/nowiki&gt;#invoke:{{#ifexist:Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/{{SUBPAGENAME}}|[[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/{{SUBPAGENAME}}|Koristnik:Polda18/{{SUBPAGENAME}}]]|Koristnik:Polda18/{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}&lt;nowiki&gt;|&lt;/nowiki&gt;''funkcije''&lt;nowiki&gt;|&lt;/nowiki&gt;''argumenty...''&lt;nowiki&gt;}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
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{{!}}- style=&quot;font-size: 80%; text-align: left;&quot;
{{!}} colspan=&quot;2&quot; {{!}} Modul ne jest iztvoreny. Možno iztvoriti [[Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/{{SUBPAGENAME}}|na tutom linku]]. '''Ne iztvorite bez soglasja vlastnika pěskovišča!'''}}&lt;/includeonly&gt;
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&lt;!-- Redok vyše bude zaměnjeny za šablon Dokumentacija kako bude popravka prěnesena do izvoru --&gt;</text>
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    <title>Japonske sčetne slova</title>
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{{-|''Under construction''}}

V [[Japonsky jezyk|japonskom jezyku]] [[Japonske čislovniky|čislovniky]], prědavajuče informaciju o čislu objektov, blizko vsegda koristajut se s [[Postfiks|postfiksami]] — specialnymi služebnymi slovami, ktore se nazyvajut {{Nihongo|'''sčetne pomočne slova'''|助数詞|josūshi}}.

Podobna situacija jestvuje i v drugyh jezykah, ako li zajedno s nečislimymi imennikami ne može bezposrědno se koristati čislovnik. V standardnom [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk|medžuslovjanskom jezyku]] prěd takovymi imennikami ({{-|''sok, dym''}}) ne može byti čislovnik, hoti v molvě izrazy kako &quot;prosim, dva soky&quot; sut vpolno dozvolime. Kolikost takyh prědmětov oprěděljajut s pomočju specialnyh slov, ktore odpovědajut něktoromu jih množstvu: «litr», «skljanka». Tute medžuslovjanske slova sut samostojne i zato ne sut ravnzmi odpovědnostemi japonskyh sčetnyh slov, ktore se koristaji podobno sufiksam, hoti v něktoryh slučajah rěčenja budujut se identično, napriměr {{Nihongo|コーヒーを一杯お願いします|''kōhī-o ippai onegaishimasu''}} — časku kavy, laskavo prosim.

Drugoju nepremoju anologijeju može služiti izkoristanje specialnyh slov za sčitanje oprěděljennogo roda objektov, kako, napriměr sčitanje skota po glavam (&quot;20 glav skota&quot; vměsto &quot;20 krav i bykov&quot;). V zastarělyh formah russkogo jezyka, napriměr, sčitali odrězy platna v štukah (&quot;{{-|три штуки парчи}}&quot; vměsto &quot;{{-|три отреза}}&quot; ili &quot;{{-|три рулона}}&quot;), i tako dalje.

== Primětky ==
{{Iztočniky}}

== Vněšnje linky ==
* {{cite web
 |url         = http://nippon.temerov.org/gramat.php?pad=counter
 |title       = Счётные суффиксы
 |lang        = ru
 |access-date  = 2010-12-25
 |archive-url  = https://web.archive.org/web/20110114103605/http://nippon.temerov.org/gramat.php?pad=counter
 |archive-date = 2011-01-14
 |url-status    = dead
}}

{{Prěvod|ru|Японские счётные суффиксы}}
[[Kategorija:Jezyk]]
[[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]]
{{INTERWIKI|Q2116774}}</text>
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{{-|''Under construction''}}

V [[Japonsky jezyk|japonskom jezyku]] [[Japonske čislovniky|čislovniky]], prědavajuče informaciju o čislu objektov, blizko vsegda koristajut se s [[Postfiks|postfiksami]] — specialnymi služebnymi slovami, ktore se nazyvajut {{Nihongo|'''sčetne pomočne slova'''|助数詞|josūshi}}.

Podobna situacija jestvuje i v drugyh jezykah, ako li zajedno s nečislimymi imennikami ne može bezposrědno se koristati čislovnik. V standardnom [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk|medžuslovjanskom jezyku]] prěd takovymi imennikami (''sok, dym'') ne može byti čislovnik, hoti v molvě izrazy kako &quot;prosim, dva soky&quot; sut vpolno dozvolime. Kolikost takyh prědmětov oprěděljajut s pomočju specialnyh slov, ktore odpovědajut něktoromu jih množstvu: «litr», «skljanka». Tute medžuslovjanske slova sut samostojne i zato ne sut ravnzmi odpovědnostemi japonskyh sčetnyh slov, ktore se koristaji podobno sufiksam, hoti v něktoryh slučajah rěčenja budujut se identično, napriměr {{Nihongo|コーヒーを一杯お願いします|''kōhī-o ippai onegaishimasu''}} — časku kavy, laskavo prosim.

Drugoju nepremoju anologijeju može služiti izkoristanje specialnyh slov za sčitanje oprěděljennogo roda objektov, kako, napriměr sčitanje skota po glavam (&quot;20 glav skota&quot; vměsto &quot;20 krav i bykov&quot;). V zastarělyh formah russkogo jezyka, napriměr, sčitali odrězy platna v štukah (&quot;{{-|три штуки парчи}}&quot; vměsto &quot;{{-|три отреза}}&quot; ili &quot;{{-|три рулона}}&quot;), i tako dalje.

== Primětky ==
{{Iztočniky}}

== Vněšnje linky ==
* {{cite web
 |url         = http://nippon.temerov.org/gramat.php?pad=counter
 |title       = Счётные суффиксы
 |lang        = ru
 |access-date  = 2010-12-25
 |archive-url  = https://web.archive.org/web/20110114103605/http://nippon.temerov.org/gramat.php?pad=counter
 |archive-date = 2011-01-14
 |url-status    = dead
}}

{{Prěvod|ru|Японские счётные суффиксы}}
[[Kategorija:Jezyk]]
[[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]]
{{INTERWIKI|Q2116774}}</text>
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{{-|''Under construction''}}

V [[Japonsky jezyk|japonskom jezyku]] [[Japonske čislovniky|čislovniky]], prědavajuče informaciju o čislu objektov, blizko vsegda koristajut se s [[Postfiks|postfiksami]] — specialnymi služebnymi slovami, ktore se nazyvajut {{Nihongo|'''sčetne pomočne slova'''|助数詞|josūshi}}.

Podobna situacija jestvuje i v drugyh jezykah, ako li zajedno s nečislimymi imennikami ne može bezposrědno se koristati čislovnik. V standardnom [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk|medžuslovjanskom jezyku]] prěd takovymi imennikami (''sok, dym'') ne može byti čislovnik, hoti v molvě izrazy kako &quot;prosim, dva soky&quot; sut vpolno dozvolime. Kolikost takyh prědmětov oprěděljajut s pomočju specialnyh slov, ktore odpovědajut něktoromu jih množstvu: «litr», «skljanka». Tute medžuslovjanske slova sut samostojne i zato ne sut ravnymi odpovědnikami japonskyh sčetnyh slov, ktore se koristaji podobno sufiksam, hoti v něktoryh slučajah rěčenja budujut se identično, napriměr {{Nihongo|コーヒーを一杯お願いします|''kōhī-o ippai onegaishimasu''}} — časku kavy, laskavo prosim.

Drugoju nepremoju anologijeju može služiti izkoristanje specialnyh slov za sčitanje oprěděljennogo roda objektov, kako, napriměr sčitanje skota po glavam (&quot;20 glav skota&quot; vměsto &quot;20 krav i bykov&quot;). V zastarělyh formah russkogo jezyka, napriměr, sčitali odrězy platna v štukah (&quot;{{-|три штуки парчи}}&quot; vměsto &quot;{{-|три отреза}}&quot; ili &quot;{{-|три рулона}}&quot;), i tako dalje.

== Primětky ==
{{Iztočniky}}

== Vněšnje linky ==
* {{cite web
 |url         = http://nippon.temerov.org/gramat.php?pad=counter
 |title       = Счётные суффиксы
 |lang        = ru
 |access-date  = 2010-12-25
 |archive-url  = https://web.archive.org/web/20110114103605/http://nippon.temerov.org/gramat.php?pad=counter
 |archive-date = 2011-01-14
 |url-status    = dead
}}

{{Prěvod|ru|Японские счётные суффиксы}}
[[Kategorija:Jezyk]]
[[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]]
{{INTERWIKI|Q2116774}}</text>
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{{-|''Under construction''}}

V [[Japonsky jezyk|japonskom jezyku]] [[Japonske čislovniky|čislovniky]], prědavajuče informaciju o čislu objektov, blizko vsegda koristajut se s [[Postfiks|postfiksami]] — specialnymi služebnymi slovami, ktore se nazyvajut {{Nihongo|'''sčetne pomočne slova'''|助数詞|josūshi}}.

Podobna situacija jestvuje i v drugyh jezykah, ako li zajedno s nečislimymi imennikami ne može bezposrědno se koristati čislovnik. V standardnom [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk|medžuslovjanskom jezyku]] prěd takovymi imennikami (''sok, dym'') ne može byti čislovnik, hoti v molvě izrazy kako &quot;prosim, dva soky&quot; sut vpolno dozvolime. Kolikost takyh prědmětov oprěděljajut s pomočju specialnyh slov, ktore odpovědajut něktoromu jih množstvu: «litr», «skljanka». Tute medžuslovjanske slova sut samostojne i zato ne sut ravnymi odpovědnikami japonskyh sčetnyh slov, ktore se koristaji podobno sufiksam, hoti v něktoryh slučajah rěčenja budujut se identično, napriměr {{Nihongo|コーヒーを一杯お願いします|''kōhī-o ippai onegaishimasu''}} — časku kavy, laskavo prosim.

Drugoju nepremoju anologijeju može služiti izkoristanje specialnyh slov za sčitanje oprěděljennogo roda objektov, kako, napriměr sčitanje skota po glavah (&quot;20 glav skota&quot; vměsto &quot;20 krav i bykov&quot;). V zastarělyh formah russkogo jezyka sut, napriměr, sčitali odrězy platna v štukah (&quot;{{-|три штуки парчи}}&quot; vměsto &quot;{{-|три отреза}}&quot; ili &quot;{{-|три рулона}}&quot;), i tako dalje.

== Primětky ==
{{Iztočniky}}

== Vněšnje linky ==
* {{cite web
 |url         = http://nippon.temerov.org/gramat.php?pad=counter
 |title       = Счётные суффиксы
 |lang        = ru
 |access-date  = 2010-12-25
 |archive-url  = https://web.archive.org/web/20110114103605/http://nippon.temerov.org/gramat.php?pad=counter
 |archive-date = 2011-01-14
 |url-status    = dead
}}

{{Prěvod|ru|Японские счётные суффиксы}}
[[Kategorija:Jezyk]]
[[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]]
{{INTERWIKI|Q2116774}}</text>
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Tuto pěskovišče modula jest vakantno.

Prosimo, neizkrčnite tutu stranicu bez mojgo privoljenja.
Pytajte se na mojej koristničskoj besědě: [[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18]]

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Dobrodošli na pěskovišču modulov.

Tuten modul možete upotrěbiti na testovanje različnyh funkcij programističnogo jezyka Lua i na razvivanje vlastnyh modulov.

Kako toliko budete gotovi s vašimi eksperimentami, ne zabudite na povračenje vaših pravok, načto vy možete upotrěbiti link v dokumentaciji.
]]

-- PROSIMO, NE MĚNJAJTE REDKY VYŠE! ČEKOLVEK NIŽE JEST VAKANTNO DLJA EKSPERIMENTOV. Kak uvidite někaku primětku od někakogo koristnika, že on rabotaje na něčemu, prosimo, prvo napišite na jego koristničsku besědu pytanje, či vy možete upotrěbiti tuten prostor.
-- Eksperimentalny prostor počina niže pod tutym redkom.

-- Prosta numeracija
local a = 5
local b = 10
print(a + b)
-- Rezultat: 15

-- Daljši bude dopolneno.</text>
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Dobrodošli na pěskovišču modulov.

Tuten modul možete upotrěbiti na testovanje različnyh funkcij programističnogo jezyka Lua i na razvivanje vlastnyh modulov.

Kako toliko budete gotovi s vašimi eksperimentami, ne zabudite na povračenje vaših pravok, načto vy možete upotrěbiti link v dokumentaciji.
]]

-- PROSIMO, NE MĚNJAJTE REDKY VYŠE! ČEKOLVEK NIŽE JEST VAKANTNO DLJA EKSPERIMENTOV. Kak uvidite někaku primětku od někakogo koristnika, že on rabotaje na něčemu, prosimo, prvo napišite na jego koristničsku besědu pytanje, či vy možete upotrěbiti tuten prostor.
-- Eksperimentalny prostor počina niže pod tutym redkom.

-- Moduly musi upotrěbiti funkcije, ne mogut funkcionovati samotne.

-- Prosta numeracija
function suma(a, b)
  return a + b
end

-- Daljši bude dopolneno.</text>
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Tuto pěskovišče modula jest vakantno.

Prosimo, neizkrčnite tutu stranicu bez mojgo privoljenja.
Pytajte se na mojej koristničskoj besědě:
]]
-- [[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18]]</text>
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      <contributor>
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        <id>18</id>
      </contributor>
      <comment>Pěskovišče modulov</comment>
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      <text bytes="951" sha1="37gbloyv6wecvilv7r4d4uu6jkdtz9w" xml:space="preserve">--[[
Dobrodošli na pěskovišču modulov.

Tuten modul možete upotrěbiti na testovanje različnyh funkcij programističnogo jezyka Lua i na razvivanje vlastnyh modulov.

Kako toliko budete gotovi s vašimi eksperimentami, ne zabudite na povračenje vaših pravok, načto vy možete upotrěbiti link v dokumentaciji.
]]

-- PROSIMO, NE MĚNJAJTE REDKY VYŠE! ČEKOLVEK NIŽE JEST VAKANTNO DLJA EKSPERIMENTOV. Kak uvidite někaku primětku od někakogo koristnika, že on rabotaje na něčemu, prosimo, prvo napišite na jego koristničsku besědu pytanje, či vy možete upotrěbiti tuten prostor.
-- Eksperimentalny prostor počina niže pod tutym redkom.

-- Babkovičky
function suma(a, b)
	return a + b
end

function odjetje(a, b)
	return a - b
end

function proizvod(a, b)
	return a * b
end

function deljenje(a, b)
	return a / b
end

function modulo(a, b)
	return a % b
end

function mocnina(a, b)
	return a ^ b
end

-- Daljši bude dopolneno.</text>
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      <id>29018</id>
      <parentid>29013</parentid>
      <timestamp>2026-07-17T13:25:26Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Polda18</username>
        <id>18</id>
      </contributor>
      <comment>Paket</comment>
      <origin>29018</origin>
      <model>Scribunto</model>
      <format>text/plain</format>
      <text bytes="984" sha1="1kyzysm52kj7mq17nvoi0zwt1m9onks" xml:space="preserve">--[[
Dobrodošli na pěskovišču modulov.

Tuten modul možete upotrěbiti na testovanje različnyh funkcij programističnogo jezyka Lua i na razvivanje vlastnyh modulov.

Kako toliko budete gotovi s vašimi eksperimentami, ne zabudite na povračenje vaših pravok, načto vy možete upotrěbiti link v dokumentaciji.
]]

-- PROSIMO, NE MĚNJAJTE REDKY VYŠE! ČEKOLVEK NIŽE JEST VAKANTNO DLJA EKSPERIMENTOV. Kak uvidite někaku primětku od někakogo koristnika, že on rabotaje na něčemu, prosimo, prvo napišite na jego koristničsku besědu pytanje, či vy možete upotrěbiti tuten prostor.
-- Eksperimentalny prostor počina niže pod tutym redkom.

-- Paket
local p = {}

-- Babkovičky
function p.suma(a, b)
	return a + b
end

function p.odjetje(a, b)
	return a - b
end

function p.proizvod(a, b)
	return a * b
end

function p.deljenje(a, b)
	return a / b
end

function p.modulo(a, b)
	return a % b
end

function p.mocnina(a, b)
	return a ^ b
end

-- Konec paketa
return p</text>
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    </revision>
    <revision>
      <id>29020</id>
      <parentid>29018</parentid>
      <timestamp>2026-07-17T14:06:00Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Polda18</username>
        <id>18</id>
      </contributor>
      <comment>Eksperiment</comment>
      <origin>29020</origin>
      <model>Scribunto</model>
      <format>text/plain</format>
      <text bytes="1026" sha1="4rbfm4koh05qkf6cvnex4g4sq10pgbb" xml:space="preserve">--[[
Dobrodošli na pěskovišču modulov.

Tuten modul možete upotrěbiti na testovanje različnyh funkcij programističnogo jezyka Lua i na razvivanje vlastnyh modulov.

Kako toliko budete gotovi s vašimi eksperimentami, ne zabudite na povračenje vaših pravok, načto vy možete upotrěbiti link v dokumentaciji.
]]

-- PROSIMO, NE MĚNJAJTE REDKY VYŠE! ČEKOLVEK NIŽE JEST VAKANTNO DLJA EKSPERIMENTOV. Kak uvidite někaku primětku od někakogo koristnika, že on rabotaje na něčemu, prosimo, prvo napišite na jego koristničsku besědu pytanje, či vy možete upotrěbiti tuten prostor.
-- Eksperimentalny prostor počina niže pod tutym redkom.

-- Paket
local p = {}

-- Babkovičky
function p.suma(frame, a, b)
	return a + b
end

function p.odjetje(frame, a, b)
	return a - b
end

function p.proizvod(frame, a, b)
	return a * b
end

function p.deljenje(frame, a, b)
	return a / b
end

function p.modulo(frame, a, b)
	return a % b
end

function p.mocnina(frame, a, b)
	return a ^ b
end

-- Konec paketa
return p</text>
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    <revision>
      <id>29021</id>
      <parentid>29020</parentid>
      <timestamp>2026-07-17T14:14:51Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Polda18</username>
        <id>18</id>
      </contributor>
      <comment>Eksperiment</comment>
      <origin>29021</origin>
      <model>Scribunto</model>
      <format>text/plain</format>
      <text bytes="1650" sha1="mcfhq5ijvmzu4rqp9zfntk5tjiwserd" xml:space="preserve">--[[
Dobrodošli na pěskovišču modulov.

Tuten modul možete upotrěbiti na testovanje različnyh funkcij programističnogo jezyka Lua i na razvivanje vlastnyh modulov.

Kako toliko budete gotovi s vašimi eksperimentami, ne zabudite na povračenje vaših pravok, načto vy možete upotrěbiti link v dokumentaciji.
]]

-- PROSIMO, NE MĚNJAJTE REDKY VYŠE! ČEKOLVEK NIŽE JEST VAKANTNO DLJA EKSPERIMENTOV. Kak uvidite někaku primětku od někakogo koristnika, že on rabotaje na něčemu, prosimo, prvo napišite na jego koristničsku besědu pytanje, či vy možete upotrěbiti tuten prostor.
-- Eksperimentalny prostor počina niže pod tutym redkom.

-- Paket
local p = {}

-- Babkovičky
function p.suma(frame)
	local f = frame.args
	local pf = frame:getParent().args

	local a = f[1] or pf[1]
	local b = f[2] or pf[2]
	
	return a + b
end

function p.odjetje(frame)
	local f = frame.args
	local pf = frame:getParent().args

	local a = f[1] or pf[1]
	local b = f[2] or pf[2]
	
	return a - b
end

function p.proizvod(frame)
	local f = frame.args
	local pf = frame:getParent().args

	local a = f[1] or pf[1]
	local b = f[2] or pf[2]
	
	return a * b
end

function p.deljenje(frame)
	local f = frame.args
	local pf = frame:getParent().args

	local a = f[1] or pf[1]
	local b = f[2] or pf[2]
	
	return a / b
end

function p.modulo(frame)
	local f = frame.args
	local pf = frame:getParent().args

	local a = f[1] or pf[1]
	local b = f[2] or pf[2]
	
	return a % b
end

function p.mocnina(frame)
	local f = frame.args
	local pf = frame:getParent().args

	local a = f[1] or pf[1]
	local b = f[2] or pf[2]
	
	return a ^ b
end

-- Konec paketa
return p</text>
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  </page>
  <page>
    <title>Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 2</title>
    <ns>828</ns>
    <id>4784</id>
    <revision>
      <id>29006</id>
      <timestamp>2026-07-17T12:46:20Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Polda18</username>
        <id>18</id>
      </contributor>
      <comment>Pěskovišče vakantno</comment>
      <origin>29006</origin>
      <model>Scribunto</model>
      <format>text/plain</format>
      <text bytes="190" sha1="p31ck39e1gg923zyz5qn7dpphk9odbu" xml:space="preserve">--[[
Tuto pěskovišče modula jest vakantno.

Prosimo, neizkrčnite tutu stranicu bez mojgo privoljenja.
Pytajte se na mojej koristničskoj besědě:
]]
-- [[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18]]</text>
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    </revision>
  </page>
  <page>
    <title>Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 3</title>
    <ns>828</ns>
    <id>4785</id>
    <revision>
      <id>29007</id>
      <timestamp>2026-07-17T12:46:24Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Polda18</username>
        <id>18</id>
      </contributor>
      <comment>Pěskovišče vakantno</comment>
      <origin>29007</origin>
      <model>Scribunto</model>
      <format>text/plain</format>
      <text bytes="190" sha1="p31ck39e1gg923zyz5qn7dpphk9odbu" xml:space="preserve">--[[
Tuto pěskovišče modula jest vakantno.

Prosimo, neizkrčnite tutu stranicu bez mojgo privoljenja.
Pytajte se na mojej koristničskoj besědě:
]]
-- [[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18]]</text>
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    </revision>
  </page>
  <page>
    <title>Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 4</title>
    <ns>828</ns>
    <id>4786</id>
    <revision>
      <id>29008</id>
      <timestamp>2026-07-17T12:46:28Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Polda18</username>
        <id>18</id>
      </contributor>
      <comment>Pěskovišče vakantno</comment>
      <origin>29008</origin>
      <model>Scribunto</model>
      <format>text/plain</format>
      <text bytes="190" sha1="p31ck39e1gg923zyz5qn7dpphk9odbu" xml:space="preserve">--[[
Tuto pěskovišče modula jest vakantno.

Prosimo, neizkrčnite tutu stranicu bez mojgo privoljenja.
Pytajte se na mojej koristničskoj besědě:
]]
-- [[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18]]</text>
      <sha1>p31ck39e1gg923zyz5qn7dpphk9odbu</sha1>
    </revision>
  </page>
  <page>
    <title>Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 5</title>
    <ns>828</ns>
    <id>4787</id>
    <revision>
      <id>29010</id>
      <timestamp>2026-07-17T12:46:32Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Polda18</username>
        <id>18</id>
      </contributor>
      <comment>Pěskovišče vakantno</comment>
      <origin>29010</origin>
      <model>Scribunto</model>
      <format>text/plain</format>
      <text bytes="190" sha1="p31ck39e1gg923zyz5qn7dpphk9odbu" xml:space="preserve">--[[
Tuto pěskovišče modula jest vakantno.

Prosimo, neizkrčnite tutu stranicu bez mojgo privoljenja.
Pytajte se na mojej koristničskoj besědě:
]]
-- [[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18]]</text>
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    </revision>
  </page>
  <page>
    <title>Modul:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče 6</title>
    <ns>828</ns>
    <id>4788</id>
    <revision>
      <id>29011</id>
      <timestamp>2026-07-17T12:46:35Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>Polda18</username>
        <id>18</id>
      </contributor>
      <comment>Pěskovišče vakantno</comment>
      <origin>29011</origin>
      <model>Scribunto</model>
      <format>text/plain</format>
      <text bytes="190" sha1="p31ck39e1gg923zyz5qn7dpphk9odbu" xml:space="preserve">--[[
Tuto pěskovišče modula jest vakantno.

Prosimo, neizkrčnite tutu stranicu bez mojgo privoljenja.
Pytajte se na mojej koristničskoj besědě:
]]
-- [[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18]]</text>
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    </revision>
  </page>
  <page>
    <title>Baškirska rukopisna bukva А</title>
    <ns>0</ns>
    <id>4789</id>
    <revision>
      <id>29014</id>
      <timestamp>2026-05-15T14:14:29Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>incubator&gt;~2026-28147-43</username>
        <id>0</id>
      </contributor>
      <comment>/* */</comment>
      <origin>29014</origin>
      <model>wikitext</model>
      <format>text/x-wiki</format>
      <text bytes="625" sha1="knbduastppmdc3z5i40sms6x41wh0tn" xml:space="preserve">[[File:Latin letter Alpha (Ordbok över Sveriges dialekter).svg| right | 240px]]
[[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_A.svg|14x14px]], [[File:Cyrillic_small_letter_script_A.svg|9x9px]] ('''Bukva A''') — eto neispol'zuyemaya bukva kirillitsy, kotoraya ispol'zovalas' v bashkirskom alfavite Mstislava Aleksandrovicha Kulayeva s 1912 goda. Ona napominayet kirillicheskuyu bukvu A s dobavleniyem kryuchka na levoy nozhke. Yeyo strochnaya forma sil'no napominayet latinskuyu bukvu al'fa i mozhet schitat'sya omoglificheskoy s ney. V nastoyashcheye vremya bukva A oboznachayetsya sovremennoy kirillicheskoy bukvoy Schwa (Ə ə).</text>
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    </revision>
    <revision>
      <id>29015</id>
      <parentid>29014</parentid>
      <timestamp>2026-05-15T14:18:12Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>incubator&gt;~2026-28147-43</username>
        <id>0</id>
      </contributor>
      <comment>/* */</comment>
      <origin>29015</origin>
      <model>wikitext</model>
      <format>text/x-wiki</format>
      <text bytes="825" sha1="6swxbvgr72353wuvjh3s1e5jabzymsh" xml:space="preserve">{| align=right style=&quot;border:1px solid #eee; padding:1em 3em; margin:0 0 1em 1em;&quot;
|- valign=top
| [[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_A.svg|127x140px|class=skin-invert-image]]
| &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
| [[File:Cyrillic_small_letter_script_A.svg|92x97px|class=skin-invert-image]]
|}
[[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_A.svg|14x14px]], [[File:Cyrillic_small_letter_script_A.svg|9x9px]] ('''Bukva A''') — eto neispol'zuyemaya bukva kirillitsy, kotoraya ispol'zovalas' v bashkirskom alfavite Mstislava Aleksandrovicha Kulayeva s 1912 goda. Ona napominayet kirillicheskuyu bukvu A s dobavleniyem kryuchka na levoy nozhke. Yeyo strochnaya forma sil'no napominayet latinskuyu bukvu al'fa i mozhet schitat'sya omoglificheskoy s ney. V nastoyashcheye vremya bukva A oboznachayetsya sovremennoy kirillicheskoy bukvoy Schwa (Ə ə).</text>
      <sha1>6swxbvgr72353wuvjh3s1e5jabzymsh</sha1>
    </revision>
    <revision>
      <id>29016</id>
      <parentid>29015</parentid>
      <timestamp>2026-05-16T02:05:08Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>incubator&gt;~2026-28147-43</username>
        <id>0</id>
      </contributor>
      <comment>/* */</comment>
      <origin>29016</origin>
      <model>wikitext</model>
      <format>text/x-wiki</format>
      <text bytes="938" sha1="qbmcdzsunox2xepp8to89sxxv55pjpu" xml:space="preserve">{| align=right style=&quot;border:1px solid #eee; padding:1em 3em; margin:0 0 1em 1em;&quot;
|- valign=top
| [[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_A.svg|127x140px|class=skin-invert-image]]
| &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
| [[File:Cyrillic_small_letter_script_A.svg|92x97px|class=skin-invert-image]]
|}
[[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_A.svg|14x14px]], [[File:Cyrillic_small_letter_script_A.svg|9x9px]] ('''Bukva A''') — eto neispol'zuyemaya bukva kirillitsy, kotoraya ispol'zovalas' v bashkirskom alfavite Mstislava Aleksandrovicha Kulayeva s 1912 goda. Ona napominayet kirillicheskuyu bukvu A s dobavleniyem kryuchka na levoy nozhke. Yeyo strochnaya forma sil'no napominayet latinskuyu bukvu al'fa i mozhet schitat'sya omoglificheskoy s ney. V nastoyashcheye vremya bukva A oboznachayetsya sovremennoy kirillicheskoy bukvoy Schwa (Ə ə).

== Kodovanje ==
Kak i drugiye pis'ma Kulayeva, eto pis'mo ne zakodirovano v Unicode, i yego nevozmozhno vvesti.</text>
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    </revision>
    <revision>
      <id>29017</id>
      <parentid>29016</parentid>
      <timestamp>2026-07-17T13:14:19Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>IJzeren Jan</username>
        <id>9</id>
      </contributor>
      <minor />
      <comment>3 versije sut importovane iz [[:incubator:User:~2026-28147-43/Bukva_A]]</comment>
      <origin>29016</origin>
      <model>wikitext</model>
      <format>text/x-wiki</format>
      <text bytes="938" sha1="qbmcdzsunox2xepp8to89sxxv55pjpu" xml:space="preserve">{| align=right style=&quot;border:1px solid #eee; padding:1em 3em; margin:0 0 1em 1em;&quot;
|- valign=top
| [[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_A.svg|127x140px|class=skin-invert-image]]
| &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
| [[File:Cyrillic_small_letter_script_A.svg|92x97px|class=skin-invert-image]]
|}
[[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_A.svg|14x14px]], [[File:Cyrillic_small_letter_script_A.svg|9x9px]] ('''Bukva A''') — eto neispol'zuyemaya bukva kirillitsy, kotoraya ispol'zovalas' v bashkirskom alfavite Mstislava Aleksandrovicha Kulayeva s 1912 goda. Ona napominayet kirillicheskuyu bukvu A s dobavleniyem kryuchka na levoy nozhke. Yeyo strochnaya forma sil'no napominayet latinskuyu bukvu al'fa i mozhet schitat'sya omoglificheskoy s ney. V nastoyashcheye vremya bukva A oboznachayetsya sovremennoy kirillicheskoy bukvoy Schwa (Ə ə).

== Kodovanje ==
Kak i drugiye pis'ma Kulayeva, eto pis'mo ne zakodirovano v Unicode, i yego nevozmozhno vvesti.</text>
      <sha1>qbmcdzsunox2xepp8to89sxxv55pjpu</sha1>
    </revision>
    <revision>
      <id>29019</id>
      <parentid>29017</parentid>
      <timestamp>2026-07-17T13:34:31Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>IJzeren Jan</username>
        <id>9</id>
      </contributor>
      <minor />
      <comment>IJzeren Jan prěimenoval stranicu [[~2026-28147-43/Bukva A]] na [[Baškirska rukopisna bukva А]] bez ostavjenja prěnapravjenja</comment>
      <origin>29016</origin>
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|- valign=top
| [[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_A.svg|127x140px|class=skin-invert-image]]
| &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
| [[File:Cyrillic_small_letter_script_A.svg|92x97px|class=skin-invert-image]]
|}
[[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_A.svg|14x14px]], [[File:Cyrillic_small_letter_script_A.svg|9x9px]] ('''Bukva A''') — eto neispol'zuyemaya bukva kirillitsy, kotoraya ispol'zovalas' v bashkirskom alfavite Mstislava Aleksandrovicha Kulayeva s 1912 goda. Ona napominayet kirillicheskuyu bukvu A s dobavleniyem kryuchka na levoy nozhke. Yeyo strochnaya forma sil'no napominayet latinskuyu bukvu al'fa i mozhet schitat'sya omoglificheskoy s ney. V nastoyashcheye vremya bukva A oboznachayetsya sovremennoy kirillicheskoy bukvoy Schwa (Ə ə).

== Kodovanje ==
Kak i drugiye pis'ma Kulayeva, eto pis'mo ne zakodirovano v Unicode, i yego nevozmozhno vvesti.</text>
      <sha1>qbmcdzsunox2xepp8to89sxxv55pjpu</sha1>
    </revision>
    <revision>
      <id>29039</id>
      <parentid>29019</parentid>
      <timestamp>2026-07-17T16:00:05Z</timestamp>
      <contributor>
        <username>IJzeren Jan</username>
        <id>9</id>
      </contributor>
      <origin>29039</origin>
      <model>wikitext</model>
      <format>text/x-wiki</format>
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|- valign=top
| [[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_A.svg|127x140px|class=skin-invert-image]]
| &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
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[[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_A.svg|14x14px]], [[File:Cyrillic_small_letter_script_A.svg|9x9px]] ('''Bukva A''') jest bukva razširjenoj [[kirilica|kirilice]], ktora byla upotrěbjena v [[baškirsky alfabet|baškirskom alfabetu]] [[Baškortostan|baškirskogo]] učenogo [[Mstislav Aleksandrovič Kulajev|Mstislava Aleksandroviča Kulajeva]] (1873–1958), publikovanom njim v 1912 g.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | last = Кулаев | first = М.А. | title = Основы звукопроизношения и азбука для башкир | location = Казань | year = 1912 | language = ru}}&lt;/ref&gt; Tutoj alfabet byl čest raznyh prob priměnjen‌ja [[russky alfabet|russkogo alfabeta]] za [[baškirsky jezyk]] na koncu 19. i na početku 20. stolětija.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | last = Хусаинова | first = Л.М. | title = Алфавиты башкирского языка в ХIХ – начале ХХ веков | journal = Вестник Оренбургского государственного университета | year = 2017 | issue = № 3 (203) | language = ru | pages = str. 37–42}}&lt;/ref&gt; On sodržival 34 bukv, iz ktoryh večinstvo bylo identično russkomu, a ostale byli izmysljene Kulajevom na osnově [[grečsky alfabet|grečskogo alfabeta]] za označen‌je harakterističnyh zvukov baškirskogo jezyka.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://www.shs-conferences.org/articles/shsconf/pdf/2018/11/shsconf_cildiah2018_01153.pdf | title = The Role of ABC Books and Dictionaries at the End of XIX – the Beginning of the XX Century in the History of the Bashkir Literary Language | first1 = Rida | last1 = Latypova | first2 = Gulkay | last2 = Samirkhanova | first3 = Nailya | last3 = Lasynova | first4 = Zulfiya | last4 = Akhmetzadina | first5 = Liliya | last5 = Absalyamova | journal = SHS Web of Conferences | issue = 50 | year = 2018 | language = en | pages = str. 1–6}}&lt;/ref&gt; Jednakože onogda [[arabsko pismo]] imělo prěvagu, a praktična upotrěba jegovogo pravopisa byla prěvažno ograničena do jegovyh vlastnyh tvorov, ačekoli iměla značen‌je za pozdnějše razvitje baškirskoj kirilice.&lt;ref&gt;Tamože, str. 6&lt;/ref&gt;

Velika bukva pripominaje kiriličnu bukvu '''[[A (kirilica)|А]]''' s dodan‌jem hačka na lěvoj nožkě, a mala forma silno pripominaje [[latinica|latinsku]] bukvu ''alfa'' i zavisno od fonta može byti uvažana za homoglif bukvy '''[[A (kirilica)|а]]'''. V sučasnoj baškirskoj kirilici jejin ekvivalent jest bukva '''[[Ə|Ə ә]]''', izgovorjena kako {{MFA|æ}}.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/bashkir.htm | first = Simon | last = Ager | title = Bashkir/Bashkort (Башҡорт теле / Başqort tele) | website = omniglot.com | access-date = 2026-07-17 | language = en}}&lt;/ref&gt;

[[Fajl:Башкирский алфавит Кулаева_(1910—1912).jpg | thumb | right | 300px | Baškiry alfabet Kulajeva (1912)]]
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== Kodovan‌je ==
[[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_A.svg|14x14px]], kako i ostale bukvy Kulajeva, ne sut kodovane v [[Unikod|Unikodu]]. V 2022 g. bylo vneseno prědložen‌je, da by je vključiti,&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22154-old-cyrillic-bashkir.pdf | title = Proposal to encode 18 Cyrillic characters for old Bashkir | first = Nikita | last = Manulov | date = 2022-06-25 | language = en | website = unicode.org}}&lt;/ref&gt; ale ono ne dovedlo k realizaciji.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22121.htm | title = Approved Minutes of UTC Meeting 172 | section = D.1.1b Cyrillic Letters for Bashkir | website = unicode.org | date = 2022-07-26 | language = en}}&lt;/ref&gt;

{{Varianty bukvy А}}
{{Kirilica}}

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[[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_A.svg|14x14px]], [[File:Cyrillic_small_letter_script_A.svg|9x9px]] ('''Bukva A''') jest bukva razširjenoj [[kirilica|kirilice]], ktora byla upotrěbjena v [[baškirsky alfabet|baškirskom alfabetu]] [[Baškortostan|baškirskogo]] učenogo [[Mstislav Aleksandrovič Kulajev|Mstislava Aleksandroviča Kulajeva]] (1873–1958), publikovanom njim v 1912 g.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | last = Кулаев | first = М.А. | title = Основы звукопроизношения и азбука для башкир | location = Казань | year = 1912 | language = ru}}&lt;/ref&gt; Tutoj alfabet byl čest raznyh prob priměnjen‌ja [[russky alfabet|russkogo alfabeta]] za [[baškirsky jezyk]] na koncu 19. i na početku 20. stolětija.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | last = Хусаинова | first = Л.М. | title = Алфавиты башкирского языка в ХIХ – начале ХХ веков | journal = Вестник Оренбургского государственного университета | year = 2017 | issue = № 3 (203) | language = ru | pages = str. 37–42}}&lt;/ref&gt; On sodržival 34 bukv, iz ktoryh večinstvo bylo identično russkomu, a ostale byli izmysljene Kulajevom na osnově [[grečsky alfabet|grečskogo alfabeta]] za označen‌je harakterističnyh zvukov baškirskogo jezyka.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://www.shs-conferences.org/articles/shsconf/pdf/2018/11/shsconf_cildiah2018_01153.pdf | title = The Role of ABC Books and Dictionaries at the End of XIX – the Beginning of the XX Century in the History of the Bashkir Literary Language | first1 = Rida | last1 = Latypova | first2 = Gulkay | last2 = Samirkhanova | first3 = Nailya | last3 = Lasynova | first4 = Zulfiya | last4 = Akhmetzadina | first5 = Liliya | last5 = Absalyamova | journal = SHS Web of Conferences | issue = 50 | year = 2018 | language = en | pages = str. 1–6}}&lt;/ref&gt; Jednakože onogda [[arabsko pismo]] imělo prěvagu, a praktična upotrěba jegovogo pravopisa byla prěvažno ograničena do jegovyh vlastnyh tvorov, ačekoli iměla značen‌je za pozdnějše razvitje baškirskoj kirilice.&lt;ref&gt;Tamože, str. 6&lt;/ref&gt;

Velika bukva pripominaje kiriličnu bukvu '''[[A (kirilica)|А]]''' s dodan‌jem hačka na lěvoj nožkě, a mala forma silno pripominaje [[latinica|latinsku]] bukvu ''alfa'' i zavisno od fonta može byti uvažana za homoglif bukvy '''[[A (kirilica)|а]]'''. V sučasnoj baškirskoj kirilici jejin ekvivalent jest bukva '''[[Ə|Ə ә]]''', izgovorjena kako {{MFA|æ}}.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/bashkir.htm | first = Simon | last = Ager | title = Bashkir/Bashkort (Башҡорт теле / Başqort tele) | website = omniglot.com | access-date = 2026-07-17 | language = en}}&lt;/ref&gt;

[[Fajl:Башкирский алфавит Кулаева_(1910—1912).jpg | thumb | left | 300px | Baškiry alfabet Kulajeva (1912)]]
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== Kodovan‌je ==
[[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_A.svg|14x14px]], kako i ostale bukvy Kulajeva, ne sut kodovane v [[Unikod|Unikodu]]. V 2022 g. bylo vneseno prědložen‌je, da by je vključiti,&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22154-old-cyrillic-bashkir.pdf | title = Proposal to encode 18 Cyrillic characters for old Bashkir | first = Nikita | last = Manulov | date = 2022-06-25 | language = en | website = unicode.org}}&lt;/ref&gt; ale ono ne dovedlo k realizaciji.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22121.htm | title = Approved Minutes of UTC Meeting 172 | section = D.1.1b Cyrillic Letters for Bashkir | website = unicode.org | date = 2022-07-26 | language = en}}&lt;/ref&gt;

{{Varianty bukvy А}}
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[[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_A.svg|14x14px]], [[File:Cyrillic_small_letter_script_A.svg|9x9px]] ('''Bukva A''') jest bukva razširjenoj [[kirilica|kirilice]], ktora byla upotrěbjena v [[baškirsky alfabet|baškirskom alfabetu]] [[Baškortostan|baškirskogo]] učenogo [[Mstislav Aleksandrovič Kulajev|Mstislava Aleksandroviča Kulajeva]] (1873–1958), publikovanom njim v 1912 g.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | last = Кулаев | first = М.А. | title = Основы звукопроизношения и азбука для башкир | location = Казань | year = 1912 | language = ru}}&lt;/ref&gt; Tutoj alfabet byl čest raznyh prob priměnjen‌ja [[russky alfabet|russkogo alfabeta]] za [[baškirsky jezyk]] na koncu 19. i na početku 20. stolětija.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | last = Хусаинова | first = Л.М. | title = Алфавиты башкирского языка в ХIХ – начале ХХ веков | journal = Вестник Оренбургского государственного университета | year = 2017 | issue = № 3 (203) | language = ru | pages = str. 37–42}}&lt;/ref&gt; On sodržival 34 bukv, iz ktoryh večinstvo bylo identično russkomu, a ostale byli izmysljene Kulajevom na osnově [[grečsky alfabet|grečskogo alfabeta]] za označen‌je harakterističnyh zvukov baškirskogo jezyka.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://www.shs-conferences.org/articles/shsconf/pdf/2018/11/shsconf_cildiah2018_01153.pdf | title = The Role of ABC Books and Dictionaries at the End of XIX – the Beginning of the XX Century in the History of the Bashkir Literary Language | first1 = Rida | last1 = Latypova | first2 = Gulkay | last2 = Samirkhanova | first3 = Nailya | last3 = Lasynova | first4 = Zulfiya | last4 = Akhmetzadina | first5 = Liliya | last5 = Absalyamova | journal = SHS Web of Conferences | issue = 50 | year = 2018 | language = en | pages = str. 1–6}}&lt;/ref&gt; Jednakože onogda [[arabsko pismo]] imělo prěvagu, a praktična upotrěba jegovogo pravopisa byla prěvažno ograničena do jegovyh vlastnyh tvorov, ačekoli iměla značen‌je za pozdnějše razvitje baškirskoj kirilice.&lt;ref&gt;Tamože, str. 6&lt;/ref&gt;

Velika bukva pripominaje kiriličnu bukvu '''[[А (kirilica)|А]]''' s dodan‌jem hačka na lěvoj nožkě, a mala forma silno pripominaje [[latinica|latinsku]] bukvu ''alfa'' i zavisno od fonta može byti uvažana za homoglif bukvy '''[[A (kirilica)|а]]'''. V sučasnoj baškirskoj kirilici jejin ekvivalent jest bukva '''[[Ә|Ә ә]]''', izgovorjena kako {{MFA|æ}}.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/bashkir.htm | first = Simon | last = Ager | title = Bashkir/Bashkort (Башҡорт теле / Başqort tele) | website = omniglot.com | access-date = 2026-07-17 | language = en}}&lt;/ref&gt;

[[Fajl:Башкирский алфавит Кулаева_(1910—1912).jpg | thumb | left | 300px | Baškiry alfabet Kulajeva (1912)]]
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== Kodovan‌je ==
[[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_A.svg|14x14px]], kako i ostale bukvy Kulajeva, ne sut kodovane v [[Unikod|Unikodu]]. V 2022 g. bylo vneseno prědložen‌je, da by je vključiti,&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22154-old-cyrillic-bashkir.pdf | title = Proposal to encode 18 Cyrillic characters for old Bashkir | first = Nikita | last = Manulov | date = 2022-06-25 | language = en | website = unicode.org}}&lt;/ref&gt; ale ono ne dovedlo k realizaciji.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22121.htm | title = Approved Minutes of UTC Meeting 172 | section = D.1.1b Cyrillic Letters for Bashkir | website = unicode.org | date = 2022-07-26 | language = en}}&lt;/ref&gt;

{{Varianty bukvy А}}
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[[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_A.svg|14x14px]], [[File:Cyrillic_small_letter_script_A.svg|9x9px]] ('''Bukva A''') jest bukva razširjenoj [[kirilica|kirilice]], ktora byla upotrěbjena v [[baškirsky alfabet|baškirskom alfabetu]] [[Baškortostan|baškirskogo]] učenogo [[Mstislav Aleksandrovič Kulajev|Mstislava Aleksandroviča Kulajeva]] (1873–1958), publikovanom njim v 1912 g.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | last = Кулаев | first = М.А. | title = Основы звукопроизношения и азбука для башкир | location = Казань | year = 1912 | language = ru}}&lt;/ref&gt; Tutoj alfabet byl čest raznyh prob priměnjen‌ja [[russky alfabet|russkogo alfabeta]] za [[baškirsky jezyk]] na koncu 19. i na početku 20. stolětija.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | last = Хусаинова | first = Л.М. | title = Алфавиты башкирского языка в ХIХ – начале ХХ веков | journal = Вестник Оренбургского государственного университета | year = 2017 | issue = № 3 (203) | language = ru | pages = str. 37–42}}&lt;/ref&gt; On sodržival 34 bukv, iz ktoryh večinstvo bylo identično russkomu, a ostale byli izmysljene Kulajevom na osnově [[grečsky alfabet|grečskogo alfabeta]] za označen‌je harakterističnyh zvukov baškirskogo jezyka.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://www.shs-conferences.org/articles/shsconf/pdf/2018/11/shsconf_cildiah2018_01153.pdf | title = The Role of ABC Books and Dictionaries at the End of XIX – the Beginning of the XX Century in the History of the Bashkir Literary Language | first1 = Rida | last1 = Latypova | first2 = Gulkay | last2 = Samirkhanova | first3 = Nailya | last3 = Lasynova | first4 = Zulfiya | last4 = Akhmetzadina | first5 = Liliya | last5 = Absalyamova | journal = SHS Web of Conferences | issue = 50 | year = 2018 | language = en | pages = str. 1–6}}&lt;/ref&gt; Jednakože onogda [[arabsko pismo]] imělo prěvagu, a praktična upotrěba jegovogo pravopisa byla prěvažno ograničena do jegovyh vlastnyh tvorov, ačekoli iměla značen‌je za pozdnějše razvitje baškirskoj kirilice.&lt;ref&gt;Tamože, str. 6&lt;/ref&gt;

Velika bukva pripominaje kiriličnu bukvu '''[[А (kirilica)|А]]''' s dodan‌jem hačka na lěvoj nožkě, a mala forma silno pripominaje [[latinica|latinsku]] bukvu ''alfa'' i zavisno od fonta može byti uvažana za homoglif maloj bukvy '''[[А (kirilica)|а]]'''. V sučasnoj baškirskoj kirilici jejin ekvivalent jest bukva '''[[Ә|Ә ә]]''', izgovorjena kako {{MFA|æ}}.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/bashkir.htm | first = Simon | last = Ager | title = Bashkir/Bashkort (Башҡорт теле / Başqort tele) | website = omniglot.com | access-date = 2026-07-17 | language = en}}&lt;/ref&gt;

[[Fajl:Башкирский алфавит Кулаева_(1910—1912).jpg | thumb | left | 300px | Baškiry alfabet Kulajeva (1912)]]
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== Kodovan‌je ==
[[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_A.svg|14x14px]], kako i ostale bukvy Kulajeva, ne sut kodovane v [[Unikod|Unikodu]]. V 2022 g. bylo vneseno prědložen‌je, da by je vključiti,&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22154-old-cyrillic-bashkir.pdf | title = Proposal to encode 18 Cyrillic characters for old Bashkir | first = Nikita | last = Manulov | date = 2022-06-25 | language = en | website = unicode.org}}&lt;/ref&gt; ale ono ne dovedlo k realizaciji.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22121.htm | title = Approved Minutes of UTC Meeting 172 | section = D.1.1b Cyrillic Letters for Bashkir | website = unicode.org | date = 2022-07-26 | language = en}}&lt;/ref&gt;

{{Varianty bukvy А}}
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Velika bukva pripominaje kiriličnu bukvu '''[[А (kirilica)|А]]''' s dodan‌jem hačka na lěvoj nožkě, a mala forma silno pripominaje [[latinica|latinsku]] bukvu ''alfa'' i zavisno od fonta može byti uvažana za homoglif maloj bukvy '''[[А (kirilica)|а]]'''. V sučasnoj baškirskoj kirilici jejin ekvivalent jest bukva '''[[Ә|Ә ә]]''', izgovorjena kako {{MFA|æ}}.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/bashkir.htm | first = Simon | last = Ager | title = Bashkir/Bashkort (Башҡорт теле / Başqort tele) | website = omniglot.com | access-date = 2026-07-17 | language = en}}&lt;/ref&gt;

[[Fajl:Башкирский алфавит Кулаева_(1910—1912).jpg | thumb | left | 300px | Baškiry alfabet Kulajeva (1912)]]
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== Kodovan‌je ==
[[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_A.svg|14x14px]], kako i ostale bukvy Kulajeva, ne sut kodovane v [[Unikod|Unikodu]]. V 2022 g. bylo vneseno prědložen‌je, da by je vključiti s kodovymi pozicijami &lt;code&gt;U+1E06E&lt;/code&gt; i &lt;code&gt;U+1E06F&lt;/code&gt;,&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22154-old-cyrillic-bashkir.pdf | title = Proposal to encode 18 Cyrillic characters for old Bashkir | first = Nikita | last = Manulov | date = 2022-06-25 | language = en | website = unicode.org}}&lt;/ref&gt; ale ono ne dovedlo k realizaciji.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22121.htm | title = Approved Minutes of UTC Meeting 172 | section = D.1.1b Cyrillic Letters for Bashkir | website = unicode.org | date = 2022-07-26 | language = en}}&lt;/ref&gt;

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[[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_A.svg|14x14px]], [[File:Cyrillic_small_letter_script_A.svg|9x9px]] ('''Bukva A''') jest bukva razširjenoj [[kirilica|kirilice]], ktora byla upotrěbjena v [[baškirsky alfabet|baškirskom alfabetu]] [[Baškortostan|baškirskogo]] učenogo [[Mstislav Aleksandrovič Kulajev|Mstislava Aleksandroviča Kulajeva]] (1873–1958), publikovanom njim v 1912 g.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | last = Кулаев | first = М.А. | title = Основы звукопроизношения и азбука для башкир | location = Казань | year = 1912 | language = ru}}&lt;/ref&gt; Tutoj alfabet byl čest raznyh prob priměnjen‌ja [[russky alfabet|russkogo alfabeta]] za [[baškirsky jezyk]] na koncu 19. i na početku 20. stolětija.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | last = Хусаинова | first = Л.М. | title = Алфавиты башкирского языка в ХIХ – начале ХХ веков | journal = Вестник Оренбургского государственного университета | year = 2017 | issue = № 3 (203) | language = ru | pages = str. 37–42}}&lt;/ref&gt; On sodržival 34 bukv, iz ktoryh večinstvo bylo identično russkomu, a ostale byli izmysljene Kulajevom na osnově [[grečsky alfabet|grečskogo alfabeta]] za označen‌je harakterističnyh zvukov baškirskogo jezyka.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://www.shs-conferences.org/articles/shsconf/pdf/2018/11/shsconf_cildiah2018_01153.pdf | title = The Role of ABC Books and Dictionaries at the End of XIX – the Beginning of the XX Century in the History of the Bashkir Literary Language | first1 = Rida | last1 = Latypova | first2 = Gulkay | last2 = Samirkhanova | first3 = Nailya | last3 = Lasynova | first4 = Zulfiya | last4 = Akhmetzadina | first5 = Liliya | last5 = Absalyamova | journal = SHS Web of Conferences | issue = 50 | year = 2018 | language = en | pages = str. 1–6}}&lt;/ref&gt; Jednakože onogda [[arabsko pismo]] imělo prěvagu, a praktična upotrěba jegovogo pravopisa byla prěvažno ograničena do jegovyh vlastnyh tvorov, ačekoli iměla značen‌je za pozdnějše razvitje baškirskoj kirilice.&lt;ref&gt;Tamože, str. 6&lt;/ref&gt;

Velika bukva pripominaje kiriličnu bukvu '''[[А (kirilica)|А]]''' s dodan‌jem hačka na lěvoj nožkě, a mala forma silno pripominaje [[latinica|latinsku]] bukvu ''alfa'' i zavisno od fonta može byti uvažana za homoglif maloj bukvy '''[[А (kirilica)|а]]'''. V sučasnoj baškirskoj kirilici jejin ekvivalent jest bukva '''[[Ә|Ә ә]]''', izgovorjena kako {{MFA|æ}}.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/bashkir.htm | first = Simon | last = Ager | title = Bashkir/Bashkort (Башҡорт теле / Başqort tele) | website = omniglot.com | access-date = 2026-07-17 | language = en}}&lt;/ref&gt;

[[Fajl:Башкирский алфавит Кулаева_(1910—1912).jpg | thumb | left | 300px | Baškiry alfabet Kulajeva (1912)]]
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== Kodovan‌je ==
[[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_A.svg|14x14px]], kako i ostale bukvy Kulajeva, ne sut kodovane v [[Unikod|Unikodu]]. V 2022 g. bylo vneseno prědložen‌je, da by je vključiti s kodovymi pozicijami &lt;code&gt;U+1E06E&lt;/code&gt; i &lt;code&gt;U+1E06F&lt;/code&gt;,&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22154-old-cyrillic-bashkir.pdf | title = Proposal to encode 18 Cyrillic characters for old Bashkir | first = Nikita | last = Manulov | date = 2022-06-25 | language = en | website = unicode.org}}&lt;/ref&gt; ale ono ne dovedlo k realizaciji.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22121.htm | title = Approved Minutes of UTC Meeting 172 | section = D.1.1b Cyrillic Letters for Bashkir | website = unicode.org | date = 2022-07-26 | language = en}}&lt;/ref&gt;

== Iztočniky ==
{{Iztočniky}}

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[[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_A.svg|14x14px]], [[File:Cyrillic_small_letter_script_A.svg|9x9px]] ('''Bukva A''') jest bukva razširjenoj [[kirilica|kirilice]], ktora byla upotrěbjena v [[baškirsky alfabet|baškirskom alfabetu]] [[Baškortostan|baškirskogo]] učenogo [[Mstislav Aleksandrovič Kulajev|Mstislava Aleksandroviča Kulajeva]] (1873–1958), publikovanom njim v 1912 g.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | last = Кулаев | first = М.А. | title = Основы звукопроизношения и азбука для башкир | location = Казань | year = 1912 | language = ru}}&lt;/ref&gt; Tutoj alfabet byl čest raznyh prob priměnjen‌ja [[russky alfabet|russkogo alfabeta]] za [[baškirsky jezyk]] na koncu 19. i na početku 20. stolětija.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | last = Хусаинова | first = Л.М. | title = Алфавиты башкирского языка в ХIХ – начале ХХ веков | journal = Вестник Оренбургского государственного университета | year = 2017 | issue = № 3 (203) | language = ru | pages = str. 37–42}}&lt;/ref&gt; On sodržival 34 bukv, iz ktoryh večinstvo bylo identično russkomu, a ostale byli izmysljene Kulajevom na osnově [[grečsky alfabet|grečskogo alfabeta]] za označen‌je harakterističnyh zvukov baškirskogo jezyka.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://www.shs-conferences.org/articles/shsconf/pdf/2018/11/shsconf_cildiah2018_01153.pdf | title = The Role of ABC Books and Dictionaries at the End of XIX – the Beginning of the XX Century in the History of the Bashkir Literary Language | first1 = Rida | last1 = Latypova | first2 = Gulkay | last2 = Samirkhanova | first3 = Nailya | last3 = Lasynova | first4 = Zulfiya | last4 = Akhmetzadina | first5 = Liliya | last5 = Absalyamova | journal = SHS Web of Conferences | issue = 50 | year = 2018 | language = en | pages = str. 1–6}}&lt;/ref&gt; Jednakože onogda [[arabsko pismo]] imělo prěvagu, a praktična upotrěba jegovogo pravopisa byla prěvažno ograničena do jegovyh vlastnyh tvorov, ačekoli iměla značen‌je za pozdnějše razvitje baškirskoj kirilice.&lt;ref&gt;Tamože, str. 6&lt;/ref&gt;

Velika bukva pripominaje kiriličnu bukvu '''[[А (kirilica)|А]]''' s dodan‌jem hačka na lěvoj nožkě, a mala forma silno pripominaje [[latinica|latinsku]] bukvu ''alfa'' i zavisno od fonta može byti uvažana za homoglif maloj bukvy '''[[А (kirilica)|а]]'''. V sučasnoj baškirskoj kirilici jejin ekvivalent jest bukva '''[[Ә|Ә ә]]''', izgovorjena kako {{MFA|æ}}.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/bashkir.htm | first = Simon | last = Ager | title = Bashkir/Bashkort (Башҡорт теле / Başqort tele) | website = omniglot.com | access-date = 2026-07-17 | language = en}}&lt;/ref&gt;

[[Fajl:Башкирский алфавит Кулаева_(1910—1912).jpg | thumb | left | 300px | Baškiry alfabet Kulajeva (1912)]]
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== Kodovan‌je ==
[[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_A.svg|14x14px]], kako i ostale bukvy Kulajeva, ne sut kodovane v [[Unikod|Unikodu]]. V 2022 g. bylo vneseno prědložen‌je, da by je vključiti s kodovymi pozicijami &lt;code&gt;U+1E06E&lt;/code&gt; i &lt;code&gt;U+1E06F&lt;/code&gt;,&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22154-old-cyrillic-bashkir.pdf | title = Proposal to encode 18 Cyrillic characters for old Bashkir | first = Nikita | last = Manulov | date = 2022-06-25 | language = en | website = unicode.org}}&lt;/ref&gt; ale ono ne dovedlo k realizaciji.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22121.htm | title = Approved Minutes of UTC Meeting 172. D.1.1b Cyrillic Letters for Bashkir | website = unicode.org | date = 2022-07-26 | language = en}}&lt;/ref&gt;

== Iztočniky ==
{{Iztočniky}}

{{Varianty bukvy А}}
{{Kirilica}}

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Velika bukva pripominaje kiriličnu bukvu '''[[А (kirilica)|А]]''' s dodan‌jem hačka na lěvoj nožkě, a mala forma silno pripominaje [[latinica|latinsku]] bukvu ''alfa'' i zavisno od fonta može byti uvažana za homoglif maloj bukvy '''[[А (kirilica)|а]]'''. V sučasnoj baškirskoj kirilici jejin ekvivalent jest bukva '''[[Ә|Ә ә]]''', izgovorjena kako {{MFA|æ}}.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/bashkir.htm | first = Simon | last = Ager | title = Bashkir/Bashkort (Башҡорт теле / Başqort tele) | website = omniglot.com | access-date = 2026-07-17 | language = en}}&lt;/ref&gt;

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== Kodovan‌je ==
[[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_A.svg|14x14px]], kako i ostale bukvy Kulajeva, ne sut kodovane v [[Unikod|Unikodu]]. V 2022 g. bylo vneseno prědložen‌je, da by je vključiti s kodovymi pozicijami &lt;code&gt;U+1E06E&lt;/code&gt; i &lt;code&gt;U+1E06F&lt;/code&gt;,&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22154-old-cyrillic-bashkir.pdf | title = Proposal to encode 18 Cyrillic characters for old Bashkir | first = Nikita | last = Manulov | date = 2022-06-25 | language = en | website = unicode.org}}&lt;/ref&gt; ale ono ne dovedlo k realizaciji.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22121.htm | title = Approved Minutes of UTC Meeting 172. D.1.1b Cyrillic Letters for Bashkir | website = unicode.org | date = 2022-07-26 | language = en}}&lt;/ref&gt;

== Iztočniky ==
{{Iztočniky}}

{{Varianty bukvy А}}
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'''Bukva U''' ([[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_U.svg|14x14px]] [[File:Cyrillic_small_letter_script_U.svg|10x10px]]) — eto bukva kirillitsy. Ona napominayet kirillicheskuyu bukvu U, no s dobavleniyem dvukh kryuchkov. Yeyo strochnaya forma ochen' pokhozha na strochnuyu formu latinskoy bukvy y, takzhe s dvumya kryuchkami sverkhu. Ona ispol'zovalas' v bashkirskom alfavite Mstislava Aleksandrovicha Kulayeva v 1912 godu.</text>
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'''Bukva U''' ([[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_U.svg|14x14px]] [[File:Cyrillic_small_letter_script_U.svg|10x10px]]) — eto bukva kirillitsy. Ona napominayet kirillicheskuyu bukvu U, no s dobavleniyem dvukh kryuchkov. Yeyo strochnaya forma ochen' pokhozha na strochnuyu formu latinskoy bukvy y, takzhe s dvumya kryuchkami sverkhu. Ona ispol'zovalas' v bashkirskom alfavite Mstislava Aleksandrovicha Kulayeva v 1912 godu.</text>
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'''Bukva U''' ([[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_U.svg|14x14px]] [[File:Cyrillic_small_letter_script_U.svg|10x10px]]) — eto bukva kirillitsy. Ona napominayet kirillicheskuyu bukvu U, no s dobavleniyem dvukh kryuchkov. Yeyo strochnaya forma ochen' pokhozha na strochnuyu formu latinskoy bukvy y, takzhe s dvumya kryuchkami sverkhu. Ona ispol'zovalas' v bashkirskom alfavite Mstislava Aleksandrovicha Kulayeva v 1912 godu.</text>
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'''Rukopisna bukva {{-|У}}''' ([[Fajl:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_U.svg|15x15px]] [[File:Cyrillic_small_letter_script_U.svg|12x12px]]) je bukva razširjenoj [[kirilica|kirilice]], ktora byla upotrěbjena v [[baškirsky alfabet|baškirskom alfabetu]] [[Baškortostan|baškirskogo]] učenogo [[Mstislav Aleksandrovič Kulajev|Mstislava Aleksandroviča Kulajeva]] (1873–1958), publikovanom njim v 1912 g.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | last = Кулаев | first = М.А. | title = Основы звукопроизношения и азбука для башкир | location = Казань | year = 1912 | language = ru}}&lt;/ref&gt; Tutoj alfabet byl čest raznyh prob priměnjen‌ja [[russky alfabet|russkogo alfabeta]] za [[baškirsky jezyk]] na koncu 19. i na početku 20. stolětija.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | last = Хусаинова | first = Л.М. | title = Алфавиты башкирского языка в ХIХ – начале ХХ веков | journal = Вестник Оренбургского государственного университета | year = 2017 | issue = № 3 (203) | language = ru | pages = str. 37–42}}&lt;/ref&gt; On sodržival 34 bukv, iz ktoryh večinstvo bylo identično russkomu, a ostale byli izmysljene Kulajevom na osnově [[grečsky alfabet|grečskogo alfabeta]] za označen‌je harakterističnyh zvukov baškirskogo jezyka.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://www.shs-conferences.org/articles/shsconf/pdf/2018/11/shsconf_cildiah2018_01153.pdf | title = The Role of ABC Books and Dictionaries at the End of XIX – the Beginning of the XX Century in the History of the Bashkir Literary Language | first1 = Rida | last1 = Latypova | first2 = Gulkay | last2 = Samirkhanova | first3 = Nailya | last3 = Lasynova | first4 = Zulfiya | last4 = Akhmetzadina | first5 = Liliya | last5 = Absalyamova | journal = SHS Web of Conferences | issue = 50 | year = 2018 | language = en | pages = str. 1–6}}&lt;/ref&gt; Jednakože onogda [[arabsko pismo]] imělo prěvagu, a praktična upotrěba jegovogo pravopisa byla prěvažno ograničena do jegovyh vlastnyh tvorov, ačekoli iměla značen‌je za pozdnějše razvitje baškirskoj kirilice.&lt;ref&gt;Tamože, str. 6&lt;/ref&gt;

Velika bukva pripominaje kiriličnu bukvu '''[[У (kirilica)|У]]''', ale s dodan‌jem dvoh hačkov, a mala forma je mnogo podobna [[latinica|latinskoj]] bukvě {{-|'''y'''}}, takože s dvoma hačkami svrhu. 

V sučasnoj baškirskoj kirilici jejin ekvivalent jest bukva '''[[Ү|Ү ү]]''', izgovorjena kako {{MFA|y}} ili {{MFA|w}}.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/bashkir.htm | first = Simon | last = Ager | title = Bashkir/Bashkort (Башҡорт теле / Başqort tele) | website = omniglot.com | access-date = 2026-07-17 | language = en}}&lt;/ref&gt;

[[Fajl:Башкирский алфавит Кулаева_(1910—1912).jpg | thumb | left | 300px | Baškiry alfabet Kulajeva (1912)]]
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== Kodovan‌je ==
[[Fajl:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_U.svg|15x15px]] i [[Fajl:Cyrillic_small_letter_script_U.svg|12x12px]], kako i ostale bukvy Kulajeva, ne sut kodovane v [[Unikod|Unikodu]]. V 2022 g. bylo vneseno prědložen‌je, da by je vključiti s kodovymi pozicijami &lt;code&gt;U+1E06E&lt;/code&gt; i &lt;code&gt;U+1E06F&lt;/code&gt;,&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22154-old-cyrillic-bashkir.pdf | title = Proposal to encode 18 Cyrillic characters for old Bashkir | first = Nikita | last = Manulov | date = 2022-06-25 | language = en | website = unicode.org}}&lt;/ref&gt; ale ono ne dovedlo k realizaciji.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22121.htm | title = Approved Minutes of UTC Meeting 172. D.1.1b Cyrillic Letters for Bashkir | website = unicode.org | date = 2022-07-26 | language = en}}&lt;/ref&gt;

== Iztočniky ==
{{Iztočniky}}

{{Varianty bukvy У}}
{{Kirilica}}

[[Kategorija:Kirilične bukvy|У]]</text>
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'''Rukopisna bukva {{-|У}}''' ([[Fajl:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_U.svg|15x15px]] [[File:Cyrillic_small_letter_script_U.svg|12x12px]]) je bukva razširjenoj [[kirilica|kirilice]], ktora byla upotrěbjena v [[baškirsky alfabet|baškirskom alfabetu]] [[Baškortostan|baškirskogo]] učenogo [[Mstislav Aleksandrovič Kulajev|Mstislava Aleksandroviča Kulajeva]] (1873–1958), publikovanom njim v 1912 g.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite book | last = Кулаев | first = М.А. | title = Основы звукопроизношения и азбука для башкир | location = Казань | year = 1912 | language = ru}}&lt;/ref&gt; Tutoj alfabet byl čest raznyh prob priměnjen‌ja [[russky alfabet|russkogo alfabeta]] za [[baškirsky jezyk]] na koncu 19. i na početku 20. stolětija.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | last = Хусаинова | first = Л.М. | title = Алфавиты башкирского языка в ХIХ – начале ХХ веков | journal = Вестник Оренбургского государственного университета | year = 2017 | issue = № 3 (203) | language = ru | pages = str. 37–42}}&lt;/ref&gt; On sodržival 34 bukv, iz ktoryh večinstvo bylo identično russkomu, a ostale byli izmysljene Kulajevom na osnově [[grečsky alfabet|grečskogo alfabeta]] za označen‌je harakterističnyh zvukov baškirskogo jezyka.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite journal | url = https://www.shs-conferences.org/articles/shsconf/pdf/2018/11/shsconf_cildiah2018_01153.pdf | title = The Role of ABC Books and Dictionaries at the End of XIX – the Beginning of the XX Century in the History of the Bashkir Literary Language | first1 = Rida | last1 = Latypova | first2 = Gulkay | last2 = Samirkhanova | first3 = Nailya | last3 = Lasynova | first4 = Zulfiya | last4 = Akhmetzadina | first5 = Liliya | last5 = Absalyamova | journal = SHS Web of Conferences | issue = 50 | year = 2018 | language = en | pages = str. 1–6}}&lt;/ref&gt; Jednakože onogda [[arabsko pismo]] imělo prěvagu, a praktična upotrěba jegovogo pravopisa byla prěvažno ograničena do jegovyh vlastnyh tvorov, ačekoli iměla značen‌je za pozdnějše razvitje baškirskoj kirilice.&lt;ref&gt;Tamože, str. 6&lt;/ref&gt;

Velika bukva pripominaje kiriličnu bukvu '''[[У (kirilica)|У]]''', ale s dodan‌jem dvoh hačkov, a mala forma je mnogo podobna [[latinica|latinskoj]] bukvě {{-|'''y'''}}, takože s dvoma hačkami svrhu. 

V sučasnoj baškirskoj kirilici jejin ekvivalent jest bukva '''[[Ү|Ү ү]]''', izgovorjena kako {{MFA|y}} ili {{MFA|w}}.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/bashkir.htm | first = Simon | last = Ager | title = Bashkir/Bashkort (Башҡорт теле / Başqort tele) | website = omniglot.com | access-date = 2026-07-17 | language = en}}&lt;/ref&gt;

[[Fajl:Башкирский алфавит Кулаева_(1910—1912).jpg | thumb | left | 300px | Baškiry alfabet Kulajeva (1912)]]
{{clear}}
== Kodovan‌je ==
[[Fajl:Cyrillic_capital_letter_script_U.svg|15x15px]] i [[Fajl:Cyrillic_small_letter_script_U.svg|12x12px]], kako i ostale bukvy Kulajeva, ne sut kodovane v [[Unikod|Unikodu]]. V 2022 g. bylo vneseno prědložen‌je, da by je vključiti s kodovymi pozicijami &lt;code&gt;U+1E07C&lt;/code&gt; i &lt;code&gt;U+1E07D&lt;/code&gt;,&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22154-old-cyrillic-bashkir.pdf | title = Proposal to encode 18 Cyrillic characters for old Bashkir | first = Nikita | last = Manulov | date = 2022-06-25 | language = en | website = unicode.org}}&lt;/ref&gt; ale ono ne dovedlo k realizaciji.&lt;ref&gt;{{Cite web | url = https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22121.htm | title = Approved Minutes of UTC Meeting 172. D.1.1b Cyrillic Letters for Bashkir | website = unicode.org | date = 2022-07-26 | language = en}}&lt;/ref&gt;

== Iztočniky ==
{{Iztočniky}}

{{Varianty bukvy У}}
{{Kirilica}}

[[Kategorija:Kirilične bukvy|У]]</text>
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&lt;center style=&quot;font-size: 200%;&quot;&gt;'''Dobrodošli v pěskovišču modulov Vikipedije!'''&lt;/center&gt;

Tuten modul jest pěskovišče, kde vy si možete obtestovati ili izprobovati programističny jezyk [[Vikipedija:Lua|Lua]], ili vy možete tuten prostor izpotrěbiti na razvivanje vaših vlastnyh modulov.

&lt;center&gt;'''Pametajte, tuten prostor ne jest jedino vaš. Ktokoli može tuten prostor izpotrěbiti.'''&lt;/center&gt;

Kak je v tutom prostoru někako upotrěbjenje od někakogo koristnika, že tuten prostor jest upotrěbjeny na někako razvivanje ili ino priměnjenje, zapytajte se danego koristnika, kako vy možete tuten prostor ipotrěbiti.
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      <comment>Stvorjena nova stranica s tekstom: «[[Fajl:Fairytale bookmark golden.svg|40px|left]] '''Članky s zvědzoju''' sut članky, ktore koristniki tutogo projekta uvažajut najlěpšimi člankami medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. One sut osoblivo važne, ibo sut naša vitrina prěd vněšnjim světom i sut izobražane poprěměnno na našej [[Glavna stranica|glavnoj stranici]]. One sut označene maloju zvězdočkoju ([[Fajl:LinkFA-star.png]]) v pravom vrhnjem kutu stranice. Iz totalnogo čisla '''...»</comment>
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'''Članky s zvědzoju''' sut članky, ktore koristniki tutogo projekta uvažajut najlěpšimi člankami medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. One sut osoblivo važne, ibo sut naša vitrina prěd vněšnjim světom i sut izobražane poprěměnno na našej [[Glavna stranica|glavnoj stranici]]. One sut označene maloju zvězdočkoju ([[Fajl:LinkFA-star.png]]) v pravom vrhnjem kutu stranice. Iz totalnogo čisla '''{{NUMBEROFARTICLES:R}}''' člankov v našej Vikipediji, '''{{PAGESINCATEGORY:Članky s zvězdoju}}''' nyně imajut zvězdočku. To znači, že '''jedin iz {{formatnum: {{#expr:floor({{#expr: {{NUMBEROFARTICLES:R}} / {{PAGESINCATEGORY:Članky s zvězdoju}}}})}} }}''' naleži k tutoj kategoriji.

== Kriterije ==
Očevidno, da by članok kvalifikoval se do vključenja v [[:Kategorija:Članky s zvězdoju|kategoriju Člankov s zvězdoju]], on povinen je byti priklad našej najlěpšej raboty i dovod unikalnyh možnostij Vikipedije. V svezi s tym on povinen izpolnjati oprěděljene kriterije:

;Razměr i izgled
# Članok davaje dovoljno obširny i prilično kompletny opis prědmeta. Vse važne aspekty i podrobnosti sut prisutne.
# Članok imaje značnu veličinu (minimalno 10 KB) i ne je mnogo kratši od jegovyh ekvivalentov v drugyh izdan‌jah Vikipedije.
# Članok, pokoliko možno, imaje uměstne ilustracije.
# Članok je dobro sbudovany: imaje vvod, ktory opisyvaje prědmet v několikyh rěčen‌jah, i logično podrazděljen‌je v razděly, ktore ne sut ni prědolge ni prěkratke.
# Pokoliko uměstno, članok sodrživaje vikilinky (modre ili črvene linky) na druge članky, ktore imajut značen‌je za prědmet.

;Sodržan‌je
# Članok je dobro napisany, takym sposobom, da by čitatelj mogl go legko pročitati i srazuměti.
# Sodržan‌je je sgodno s pravdoju. To znači, že fakty možno je prověriti s pomočju citovanyh iztočnikov i izvorov. 
# Članok je napisano nevtralno i ne prědstavjaje samo jednu kontroversijnu točnu zrěn‌ja. 
# Članok je stabilny, drugymi slovami: ne trěba go vsakodnevno izměnjati iz pričiny novyh sobytij.
# Članok je originalna rabota: ne je skopiovana ili izključno prěvedena odnikud i ne narušaje ničije avtorske prava.

;Jezyk
# Članok je napisany na popravnom medžuslovjanskom jezyku, sgodno s gramatičnymi pravilami i slovnikom.
# Ako članok je napisany latiniceju, trěba uběditi se, že on s pomočju jezyčnyh šablonov izgledaje tako samo dobro na kirilici, i naopak.

== Članky ==
Nyně v našej vitrině nahodet se slědujuče članky:
* [[Agregatno stanje]]
* [[Alkibiad]]
* [[Emilia Plater]]
* [[Evropejsky sojuz]]
* [[Јанка Купала]]
* [[Kompleksno čislo]]
* [[Krtek]]
* [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]]
* [[Levko Revuckyj]]
* [[Maks Štirner]]
* [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]
* [[Mojsej]]
* [[Perikl]]
* [[Русскы језык]]
* [[Solnce]]
* [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]]
* [[Т-55]]
* [[Ukrajinska azbuka]]
* [[Ukrajinska latinica]]
* [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]]
* [[Vojtek (medvěd)]]
* [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]]

== Kandidovati novy članok ==
Ako vy myslite, že někoj članok je dostatočno dobry, možete go kandidovati na članok s zvězdoju. Napišite v takom slučaju poslan‌je v [[Vikipedija:Krčma|Krčmě]].</text>
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== Kriterije ==
Očevidno, da by članok kvalifikoval se do vključenja v [[:Kategorija:Članky s zvězdoju|kategoriju Člankov s zvězdoju]], on povinen je byti priklad našej najlěpšej raboty i dovod unikalnyh možnostij Vikipedije. V svezi s tym on povinen izpolnjati oprěděljene kriterije:

;Razměr i izgled
# Članok davaje dovoljno obširny i prilično kompletny opis prědmeta. Vse važne aspekty i podrobnosti sut prisutne.
# Članok imaje značnu veličinu (minimalno 10 KB) i ne je mnogo kratši od jegovyh ekvivalentov v drugyh izdan‌jah Vikipedije.
# Članok, pokoliko možno, imaje uměstne ilustracije.
# Članok je dobro sbudovany: imaje vvod, ktory opisyvaje prědmet v několikyh rěčen‌jah, i logično podrazděljen‌je v razděly, ktore ne sut ni prědolge ni prěkratke.
# Pokoliko uměstno, članok sodrživaje vikilinky (modre ili črvene linky) na druge članky, ktore imajut značen‌je za prědmet.

;Sodržan‌je
# Članok je dobro napisany, takym sposobom, da by čitatelj mogl go legko pročitati i srazuměti.
# Sodržan‌je je sgodno s pravdoju. To znači, že fakty možno je prověriti s pomočju citovanyh iztočnikov i izvorov. 
# Članok je napisano nevtralno i ne prědstavjaje samo jednu kontroversijnu točnu zrěn‌ja. 
# Članok je stabilny, drugymi slovami: ne trěba go vsakodnevno izměnjati iz pričiny novyh sobytij.
# Članok je originalna rabota: ne je skopiovana ili izključno prěvedena odnikud i ne narušaje ničije avtorske prava.

;Jezyk
# Članok je napisany na popravnom medžuslovjanskom jezyku, sgodno s gramatičnymi pravilami i slovnikom.
# Ako članok je napisany latiniceju, trěba uběditi se, že on s pomočju jezyčnyh šablonov izgledaje tako samo dobro na kirilici, i naopak.

== Članky ==
Nyně v našej vitrině nahodet se slědujuče članky:
* [[Agregatno stanje]]
* [[Alkibiad]]
* [[Emilia Plater]]
* [[Evropejsky sojuz]]
* [[Јанка Купала]]
* [[Kompleksno čislo]]
* [[Krtek]]
* [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]]
* [[Levko Revuckyj]]
* [[Maks Štirner]]
* [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]
* [[Mojsej]]
* [[Perikl]]
* [[Русскы језык]]
* [[Solnce]]
* [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]]
* [[Т-55]]
* [[Ukrajinska azbuka]]
* [[Ukrajinska latinica]]
* [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]]
* [[Vojtek (medvěd)]]
* [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]]

== Kandidovati novy članok ==
Ako vy myslite, že někoj članok je dostatočno dobry, možete go kandidovati na članok s zvězdoju. Napišite v takom slučaju poslan‌je v [[Vikipedija:Krčma|Krčmě]]. Kogda članok bude prijety, možno bude go označiti s pomočju [[:Šablon:Članok s zvězdoju]].</text>
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Tuto pěskovišče jest dlja gadžetov, to jest samo prědloženje dlja administratorov Vikipedije.

== Razvivanje modulov ==
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! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče1.js/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče2.js/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče3.js/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče4.js/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče5.js/]]
! style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot; | [[/Pěskovišče6.js/]]
|-
| Izčrknuti pěskovišče
| Izčrknuti pěskovišče
| Izčrknuti pěskovišče
| Izčrknuti pěskovišče
| Izčrknuti pěskovišče
| Izčrknuti pěskovišče
|-
| [[/Pěskovišče 1/zapisky|Zapisky]] [X]
| [[/Pěskovišče 2/zapisky|Zapisky]] [X]
| [[/Pěskovišče 3/zapisky|Zapisky]] [X]
| [[/Pěskovišče 4/zapisky|Zapisky]] [X]
| [[/Pěskovišče 5/zapisky|Zapisky]] [X]
| [[/Pěskovišče 6/zapisky|Zapisky]] [X]
|}

== Kolory (semafor) ==
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ffcccc;&quot;&gt;#ffcccc&lt;/code&gt;
: Pěskovišče sodrživa aktivno razvivany gadžet (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije)
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ffffcc;&quot;&gt;#ffffcc&lt;/code&gt;
: Razvivany gadžet jest skoro gotovy, samo potrěbuje jedino drobne pravky ili popravky (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije)
; &lt;code style=&quot;background-color: #ccffcc;&quot;&gt;#ccffcc&lt;/code&gt;
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 * Tuto pěskovišče jest vakantno, možno jest
 * jej upotrěbiti na daljši gadžet. Prosimo,,
 * ne izčrknite tuto stranicu bez privoljenja
 * vlastnika, tako že koristnika Polda18.
 * Napišite mu na jego besědnu stranicu:
 * [[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18]]
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 * Tuto pěskovišče jest vakantno, možno jest
 * jej upotrěbiti na daljši gadžet. Prosimo,,
 * ne izčrknite tuto stranicu bez privoljenja
 * vlastnika, tako že koristnika Polda18.
 * Napišite mu na jego besědnu stranicu:
 * [[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18]]
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 * Tuto pěskovišče jest vakantno
 *---------------------------------------------
 * Tuto pěskovišče jest vakantno, možno jest
 * jej upotrěbiti na daljši gadžet. Prosimo,,
 * ne izčrknite tuto stranicu bez privoljenja
 * vlastnika, tako že koristnika Polda18.
 * Napišite mu na jego besědnu stranicu:
 * [[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18]]
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 * Tuto pěskovišče jest vakantno
 *---------------------------------------------
 * Tuto pěskovišče jest vakantno, možno jest
 * jej upotrěbiti na daljši gadžet. Prosimo,,
 * ne izčrknite tuto stranicu bez privoljenja
 * vlastnika, tako že koristnika Polda18.
 * Napišite mu na jego besědnu stranicu:
 * [[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18]]
 **********************************************/

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