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== ni'o lo se gubgau be do ==
coi .i za'a do gubgau so'i sai cnino prosa .i ku'i so'a da poi do ke'a gubgau zo'u mi mutce co se nandu lo ka su'o pagbu be da zo'u jimpe lo du'u ma kau ri smuni .i mu'a la'au [[pau saske]] li'u zo'u na ka'e ku mi va'o gi pu'i tcidu le prosa gi'e nu'o .y za'e <abbr title="hover">xovre</abbr> lo za'e <abbr title="link">linki</abbr> pe lo bangu panra gi jijnu lo du'u .aidji lo ka fanva fu le prosa fe la'o gy. [[en:Methodology|Methodology]] .gy
ni'o do cmima xu su'o lojbo snustu (to mu'a [https://old.reddit.com/r/lojban/] [https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Lojban_Live_Chat] [https://discord.com/invite/dGP5A6Fpj7] toi) .i .e'u va'o gi go'i gi casnu ro da poi do finti ke'a tu'a ti ku'o pu lo nu gubgau da ti kei ci'e le snustu
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Hi. I see you've posted a lot of new articles. However, for most of them I find it really hard to understand any of what is meant. For example, having read [[pau saske]] without hovering over the translation links, I would have never guessed that it was meant to be a translation of [[en:Methodology|Methodology]].
Are you in any Lojban forum (e.g. [https://old.reddit.com/r/lojban/] [https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Lojban_Live_Chat] [https://discord.com/invite/dGP5A6Fpj7])? If so, I suggest discussing what you write for this wiki there before publishing it here.
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mi'e la [[User:Kihurma|Kihurma]] sei me'o ny. 2026 ly. 7 dy. 12 ti detri mu'o
:.i mi na pu djuno lo bau la .lojban. .i mi pu pilno lo so'i se crida .i lo senpi fa lo termu'e .i mi pu djuno lo ka gubgau fi la .uikipedias. .i mi na pu binxo lo ka se friti lo ka jikca lo drata bangu .i mi djuno lo du'u mi pu zbasu lo na drani se jikca be lo gugde.
:.i lo bau la .lojban. cu na se binxo lo ka barda .i ku'i mi pu djica lo ka zbasu lo ka barda .i mi pu viska lo so'i se nabmi be lo te gubgau .i mu'a lo na drani jikca .i lo na zasti jikca .i lo na drani klesi .i lo drata nabmi.
:.i ca ku mi na gubgau .i mi na djuno lo bau la .lojban. lo ka casnu .i ku'i lo so'i djedi be lo nu betri lo ka fanva cu na se pilno .i lo casnu cu kakne lo ka zasti ne'i la .uikipedias. .i na'e ne'i lo drata snustu.
:.i lo mi gubgau na se friti lo ka cfari .i ku'i do pu jinvi lo du'u mi pu zbasu lo ka cfari.
:.i be'i la'o gy [[pilno:ThWiki1910|ThWiki1910]] gy 07:25, 19 ly. ze 2026 (UTC)
::.i ckire do lo ka spuda .i va'o lo nu mi dukse lo ka to'e xendo zo'u, .e'o do mi fraxu .i sa'u je'a nandu fa lo ka smuju'o lo se cusku be do .i soi .a'o ke'a mupli gi'e plixau do cu troci lo ka fanva di'u noi do spusku ku'o lo glicybau .i jalge fa zoi glico.
::<blockquote>I didn't know what in Lojban. I used many cultures with elves in them. As for the doubter, the laws of physics. I knew to publish to Wikipedia. I didn't come to be offered by talking to other languages. I know I made an incorrect person talked to by the country. <div class="paragraphbreak"></div>Large size didn't begin to what in Lojban, but I did want to make large size. I saw many people who had problems with the medium of publishing. For example, people interacting wrong. Nobody to talk to. Wrong categories. Other problems. <div class="paragraphbreak"></div>Now, I don't publish. I don't know what in Lojban about discussing, but the many days of disasters affecting translation aren't used. People discussing can be on Wikipedia. Not on other forums. <div class="paragraphbreak"></div>My publisher wasn't offered by beginning, but you thought I made the beginning.</blockquote>
::.glico .i za'a dai, toi'e ba'a, lo pa moi co jufmei jo'u lo ro moi cu kaijbi lo ka na jai cumki
::ni'o xu do pilno su'o <abbr title="za'e barda zei bankanpymi'i">me LLM</abbr> lo ka fanva fu lo se gubgau be do .i lo prujbirai be lo nu mi kelci lo'e me LLM cu jai fau zgana lo nu ri mutce co mectolcre lo ka fanva ba'e ''fo'' lo jbobau kei lo ka fanva ba'e ''fi'' ri .i da'i ka'e plixau do nu'i fi lo ka ri'a ce'u jijnu lo du'u ma kau ni jmifrili fa lo'e xe fanva pe do nu'u, fa lo nu da'i cpedu lo ka xrufanva ri lo verclibau be do kei lo'e se pilno be do me LLM fau lo nu ri sanji no pu se fanva be ri
::ni'o li'a na nabmi fa lo nu casnu ci'e la .uikipedi'as. .i mu'a ka'e gubgau lo'e prosa poi do na'e birti tu'a ke'a ku'o lo za'e <abbr title="userspace">pretecysro</abbr> gi'e friti lo ka piksku fi ru fo ce'u
::ni'o su'a ralju lo pu se xanka be mi fa lo nu da'i zilzena soi sutra se'u fa lo ka se gubgau fi lo lojbo me la .uikipedi'as. gi'e jminandu mutce .i zu'u nai li'a xa'o ku lo me ti uitki cu cmalu gi'e cando gi'e poi'i so'i da zo'u so'i toldra be da ke'a pagbu .i ji'a li'a mi me lo jai krinu be lo nu go'i .i soi so'i drata poi da'i ka'e djukansa cu jai se tasmi, cu lazni gi'a zukcfu lo'e drata gi'a jdicyselnandu gi'a mo kau li'o .i ka'u lo fasnu ku kau fasnu gi'e xo'i tai zi'o .i se ki'u bo mi to'e mu'i nai lo pu se skicu be mi cu .i'onmo lo nu do ba'e zukte ba'e su'o da pe ti
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Thanks for the reply and sorry if I was too unkind. It's just really hard to understand what you say. As a hopefully useful example, I tried to translate your reply to English (see quote above). As you can probably see, the first and last paragraphs are almost impossible.
Are you using LLMs to translate your posts? Last time I played with LLMs, they were much less bad at translating ''from'' Lojban than ''to'' Lojban. To get an idea of how easy to understand your translations are, it might be useful to ask the LLM to translate the Lojban back to your native language without letting it see any of the original text.
Discussing here on Wikipedia isn't a problem of course. You could post articles you're not sure about in userspace and receive comments on them.
In short, my main fear was that Lojban Wikipedia could quickly fill with content that can't be made sense of. On the other hand, this wiki is already small and inactive and full of pages with many sorts of mistakes, and of course I'm part of the reasion why it is this way. Like many others who hypothetically could be helping out, I'm lazy or busy with other things or indecisive or whatever it may be. It is what it is, what will be will be, and so despite all I've said I appreciate that you're actually doing ''something'' here.
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::mi'e la [[User:Kihurma|Kihurma]] sei me'o ny. 2026 ly. 7 dy. 27 ti detri
:::Your interpretation of my Lojban text is completely incorrect. It is not a matter of disagreement over meaning – it is a matter of factual misinterpretation of the Lojban text itself.
:::Here is a comparison of what I actually wrote and what you understood:
:::'''What I actually said''' (in Lojban) – '''What you understood''' – '''The real meaning'''
:::* lo so'i se crida – "many cultures with elves" - "various sources" – I was referring to the tools and references I used.
:::* lo termu'e – "laws of physics" - "a tool / means" – in this context, I meant AI.
:::* lo ka gubgau fi la .uikipedias. – "publishing to Wikipedia" (correct) - "how to edit Wikipedia" – this one you understood correctly.
:::* lo na drani jikca - "people interacting wrong" - "incorrect links" – I was referring to technical issues with interwiki links.
:::* lo na zasti jikca - "nobody to talk to" - "missing links" – I meant there were no interwiki links at all for some pages.
:::* lo na drani klesi - "wrong categories" (correct) - "wrong category structure" – this one you also understood correctly.
:::* na se friti lo ka cfari - "wasn't offered by beginning" - "was not an act of vandalism" – I was clearly stating that my edits were not vandalism.
:::Your interpretation is not a valid critique of my work. It is a translation failure – either by an automatic translator or by your own attempt to read Lojban without knowing the language. I cannot accept criticism based on words that I never wrote.
:::Thank you for your feedback. However, I must point out that your interpretation of my Lojban text is factually incorrect – it contains words and phrases that I never used. I understand that you may have used an automatic translator or guessed the meaning, but that does not reflect what I actually wrote.
:::I do not claim to speak Lojban fluently. I used various tools – including AI – to assist me, but I made sure to follow Wikipedia's technical standards, especially regarding interwiki links and category structure. I am familiar with these mechanisms, and I did not make errors in that area.
:::I saw that the Lojban Wikipedia was in a poor state: broken links, missing links, inconsistent categories, and other technical issues. I wanted to help. My edits were made in good faith, not as vandalism.
:::I am currently pausing my edits because I do not have enough Lojban knowledge to discuss complex topics. However, I still believe that discussion should happen on Wikipedia itself, not on external forums – especially when the issue is technical, not linguistic.
:::If you want to evaluate my work, please base it on what I actually wrote – not on a broken translation. If there are specific errors in my edits, I am open to correcting them – but I need to understand what they are, not what a translator imagined they were. .i be'i la'o gy [[pilno:ThWiki1910|ThWiki1910]] gy 13:59, 28 ly. ze 2026 (UTC)
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== ni'o lo se gubgau be do ==
coi .i za'a do gubgau so'i sai cnino prosa .i ku'i so'a da poi do ke'a gubgau zo'u mi mutce co se nandu lo ka su'o pagbu be da zo'u jimpe lo du'u ma kau ri smuni .i mu'a la'au [[pau saske]] li'u zo'u na ka'e ku mi va'o gi pu'i tcidu le prosa gi'e nu'o .y za'e <abbr title="hover">xovre</abbr> lo za'e <abbr title="link">linki</abbr> pe lo bangu panra gi jijnu lo du'u .aidji lo ka fanva fu le prosa fe la'o gy. [[en:Methodology|Methodology]] .gy
ni'o do cmima xu su'o lojbo snustu (to mu'a [https://old.reddit.com/r/lojban/] [https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Lojban_Live_Chat] [https://discord.com/invite/dGP5A6Fpj7] toi) .i .e'u va'o gi go'i gi casnu ro da poi do finti ke'a tu'a ti ku'o pu lo nu gubgau da ti kei ci'e le snustu
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Hi. I see you've posted a lot of new articles. However, for most of them I find it really hard to understand any of what is meant. For example, having read [[pau saske]] without hovering over the translation links, I would have never guessed that it was meant to be a translation of [[en:Methodology|Methodology]].
Are you in any Lojban forum (e.g. [https://old.reddit.com/r/lojban/] [https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Lojban_Live_Chat] [https://discord.com/invite/dGP5A6Fpj7])? If so, I suggest discussing what you write for this wiki there before publishing it here.
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mi'e la [[User:Kihurma|Kihurma]] sei me'o ny. 2026 ly. 7 dy. 12 ti detri mu'o
:.i mi na pu djuno lo bau la .lojban. .i mi pu pilno lo so'i se crida .i lo senpi fa lo termu'e .i mi pu djuno lo ka gubgau fi la .uikipedias. .i mi na pu binxo lo ka se friti lo ka jikca lo drata bangu .i mi djuno lo du'u mi pu zbasu lo na drani se jikca be lo gugde.
:.i lo bau la .lojban. cu na se binxo lo ka barda .i ku'i mi pu djica lo ka zbasu lo ka barda .i mi pu viska lo so'i se nabmi be lo te gubgau .i mu'a lo na drani jikca .i lo na zasti jikca .i lo na drani klesi .i lo drata nabmi.
:.i ca ku mi na gubgau .i mi na djuno lo bau la .lojban. lo ka casnu .i ku'i lo so'i djedi be lo nu betri lo ka fanva cu na se pilno .i lo casnu cu kakne lo ka zasti ne'i la .uikipedias. .i na'e ne'i lo drata snustu.
:.i lo mi gubgau na se friti lo ka cfari .i ku'i do pu jinvi lo du'u mi pu zbasu lo ka cfari.
:.i be'i la'o gy [[pilno:ThWiki1910|ThWiki1910]] gy 07:25, 19 ly. ze 2026 (UTC)
::.i ckire do lo ka spuda .i va'o lo nu mi dukse lo ka to'e xendo zo'u, .e'o do mi fraxu .i sa'u je'a nandu fa lo ka smuju'o lo se cusku be do .i soi .a'o ke'a mupli gi'e plixau do cu troci lo ka fanva di'u noi do spusku ku'o lo glicybau .i jalge fa zoi glico.
::<blockquote>I didn't know what in Lojban. I used many cultures with elves in them. As for the doubter, the laws of physics. I knew to publish to Wikipedia. I didn't come to be offered by talking to other languages. I know I made an incorrect person talked to by the country. <div class="paragraphbreak"></div>Large size didn't begin to what in Lojban, but I did want to make large size. I saw many people who had problems with the medium of publishing. For example, people interacting wrong. Nobody to talk to. Wrong categories. Other problems. <div class="paragraphbreak"></div>Now, I don't publish. I don't know what in Lojban about discussing, but the many days of disasters affecting translation aren't used. People discussing can be on Wikipedia. Not on other forums. <div class="paragraphbreak"></div>My publisher wasn't offered by beginning, but you thought I made the beginning.</blockquote>
::.glico .i za'a dai, toi'e ba'a, lo pa moi co jufmei jo'u lo ro moi cu kaijbi lo ka na jai cumki
::ni'o xu do pilno su'o <abbr title="za'e barda zei bankanpymi'i">me LLM</abbr> lo ka fanva fu lo se gubgau be do .i lo prujbirai be lo nu mi kelci lo'e me LLM cu jai fau zgana lo nu ri mutce co mectolcre lo ka fanva ba'e ''fo'' lo jbobau kei lo ka fanva ba'e ''fi'' ri .i da'i ka'e plixau do nu'i fi lo ka ri'a ce'u jijnu lo du'u ma kau ni jmifrili fa lo'e xe fanva pe do nu'u, fa lo nu da'i cpedu lo ka xrufanva ri lo verclibau be do kei lo'e se pilno be do me LLM fau lo nu ri sanji no pu se fanva be ri
::ni'o li'a na nabmi fa lo nu casnu ci'e la .uikipedi'as. .i mu'a ka'e gubgau lo'e prosa poi do na'e birti tu'a ke'a ku'o lo za'e <abbr title="userspace">pretecysro</abbr> gi'e friti lo ka piksku fi ru fo ce'u
::ni'o su'a ralju lo pu se xanka be mi fa lo nu da'i zilzena soi sutra se'u fa lo ka se gubgau fi lo lojbo me la .uikipedi'as. gi'e jminandu mutce .i zu'u nai li'a xa'o ku lo me ti uitki cu cmalu gi'e cando gi'e poi'i so'i da zo'u so'i toldra be da ke'a pagbu .i ji'a li'a mi me lo jai krinu be lo nu go'i .i soi so'i drata poi da'i ka'e djukansa cu jai se tasmi, cu lazni gi'a zukcfu lo'e drata gi'a jdicyselnandu gi'a mo kau li'o .i ka'u lo fasnu ku kau fasnu gi'e xo'i tai zi'o .i se ki'u bo mi to'e mu'i nai lo pu se skicu be mi cu .i'onmo lo nu do ba'e zukte ba'e su'o da pe ti
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Thanks for the reply and sorry if I was too unkind. It's just really hard to understand what you say. As a hopefully useful example, I tried to translate your reply to English (see quote above). As you can probably see, the first and last paragraphs are almost impossible.
Are you using LLMs to translate your posts? Last time I played with LLMs, they were much less bad at translating ''from'' Lojban than ''to'' Lojban. To get an idea of how easy to understand your translations are, it might be useful to ask the LLM to translate the Lojban back to your native language without letting it see any of the original text.
Discussing here on Wikipedia isn't a problem of course. You could post articles you're not sure about in userspace and receive comments on them.
In short, my main fear was that Lojban Wikipedia could quickly fill with content that can't be made sense of. On the other hand, this wiki is already small and inactive and full of pages with many sorts of mistakes, and of course I'm part of the reasion why it is this way. Like many others who hypothetically could be helping out, I'm lazy or busy with other things or indecisive or whatever it may be. It is what it is, what will be will be, and so despite all I've said I appreciate that you're actually doing ''something'' here.
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::mi'e la [[User:Kihurma|Kihurma]] sei me'o ny. 2026 ly. 7 dy. 27 ti detri
:::Your interpretation of my Lojban text is completely incorrect. It is not a matter of disagreement over meaning – it is a matter of factual misinterpretation of the Lojban text itself.
:::Here is a comparison of what I actually wrote and what you understood:
:::'''What I actually said''' (in Lojban) – '''What you understood''' – '''The real meaning'''
:::* lo so'i se crida – "many cultures with elves" - "various sources" – I was referring to the tools and references I used.
:::* lo termu'e – "laws of physics" - "a tool / means" – in this context, I meant AI.
:::* lo ka gubgau fi la .uikipedias. – "publishing to Wikipedia" (correct) - "how to edit Wikipedia" – this one you understood correctly.
:::* lo na drani jikca - "people interacting wrong" - "incorrect links" – I was referring to technical issues with interwiki links.
:::* lo na zasti jikca - "nobody to talk to" - "missing links" – I meant there were no interwiki links at all for some pages.
:::* lo na drani klesi - "wrong categories" (correct) - "wrong category structure" – this one you also understood correctly.
:::* na se friti lo ka cfari - "wasn't offered by beginning" - "was not an act of vandalism" – I was clearly stating that my edits were not vandalism.
:::Your interpretation is not a valid critique of my work. It is a translation failure – either by an automatic translator or by your own attempt to read Lojban without knowing the language. I cannot accept criticism based on words that I never wrote.
:::Thank you for your feedback. However, I must point out that your interpretation of my Lojban text is factually incorrect – it contains words and phrases that I never used. I understand that you may have used an automatic translator or guessed the meaning, but that does not reflect what I actually wrote.
:::I do not claim to speak Lojban fluently. I used various tools – including AI – to assist me, but I made sure to follow Wikipedia's technical standards, especially regarding interwiki links and category structure. I am familiar with these mechanisms, and I did not make errors in that area.
:::I saw that the Lojban Wikipedia was in a poor state: broken links, missing links, inconsistent categories, and other technical issues. I wanted to help. My edits were made in good faith, not as vandalism.
:::I am currently pausing my edits because I do not have enough Lojban knowledge to discuss complex topics. However, I still believe that discussion should happen on Wikipedia itself, not on external forums – especially when the issue is technical, not linguistic.
:::If you want to evaluate my work, please base it on what I actually wrote – not on a broken translation. If there are specific errors in my edits, I am open to correcting them – but I need to understand what they are, not what a translator imagined they were.
:::PS: As for the speed of my edits – I am simply a technically proficient and logically minded Wikipedia editor. I am able to process information quickly, plan structure efficiently, and implement changes in a well-organized manner. My speed is not a result of carelessness, but of experience and good workflow management. If this raises concerns, I can slow down – but let that be a conscious choice, not an accusation of lack of diligence. .i be'i la'o gy [[pilno:ThWiki1910|ThWiki1910]] gy 14:10, 28 ly. ze 2026 (UTC)
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== ni'o lo se gubgau be do ==
coi .i za'a do gubgau so'i sai cnino prosa .i ku'i so'a da poi do ke'a gubgau zo'u mi mutce co se nandu lo ka su'o pagbu be da zo'u jimpe lo du'u ma kau ri smuni .i mu'a la'au [[pau saske]] li'u zo'u na ka'e ku mi va'o gi pu'i tcidu le prosa gi'e nu'o .y za'e <abbr title="hover">xovre</abbr> lo za'e <abbr title="link">linki</abbr> pe lo bangu panra gi jijnu lo du'u .aidji lo ka fanva fu le prosa fe la'o gy. [[en:Methodology|Methodology]] .gy
ni'o do cmima xu su'o lojbo snustu (to mu'a [https://old.reddit.com/r/lojban/] [https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Lojban_Live_Chat] [https://discord.com/invite/dGP5A6Fpj7] toi) .i .e'u va'o gi go'i gi casnu ro da poi do finti ke'a tu'a ti ku'o pu lo nu gubgau da ti kei ci'e le snustu
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Hi. I see you've posted a lot of new articles. However, for most of them I find it really hard to understand any of what is meant. For example, having read [[pau saske]] without hovering over the translation links, I would have never guessed that it was meant to be a translation of [[en:Methodology|Methodology]].
Are you in any Lojban forum (e.g. [https://old.reddit.com/r/lojban/] [https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Lojban_Live_Chat] [https://discord.com/invite/dGP5A6Fpj7])? If so, I suggest discussing what you write for this wiki there before publishing it here.
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mi'e la [[User:Kihurma|Kihurma]] sei me'o ny. 2026 ly. 7 dy. 12 ti detri mu'o
:.i mi na pu djuno lo bau la .lojban. .i mi pu pilno lo so'i se crida .i lo senpi fa lo termu'e .i mi pu djuno lo ka gubgau fi la .uikipedias. .i mi na pu binxo lo ka se friti lo ka jikca lo drata bangu .i mi djuno lo du'u mi pu zbasu lo na drani se jikca be lo gugde.
:.i lo bau la .lojban. cu na se binxo lo ka barda .i ku'i mi pu djica lo ka zbasu lo ka barda .i mi pu viska lo so'i se nabmi be lo te gubgau .i mu'a lo na drani jikca .i lo na zasti jikca .i lo na drani klesi .i lo drata nabmi.
:.i ca ku mi na gubgau .i mi na djuno lo bau la .lojban. lo ka casnu .i ku'i lo so'i djedi be lo nu betri lo ka fanva cu na se pilno .i lo casnu cu kakne lo ka zasti ne'i la .uikipedias. .i na'e ne'i lo drata snustu.
:.i lo mi gubgau na se friti lo ka cfari .i ku'i do pu jinvi lo du'u mi pu zbasu lo ka cfari.
:.i be'i la'o gy [[pilno:ThWiki1910|ThWiki1910]] gy 07:25, 19 ly. ze 2026 (UTC)
::.i ckire do lo ka spuda .i va'o lo nu mi dukse lo ka to'e xendo zo'u, .e'o do mi fraxu .i sa'u je'a nandu fa lo ka smuju'o lo se cusku be do .i soi .a'o ke'a mupli gi'e plixau do cu troci lo ka fanva di'u noi do spusku ku'o lo glicybau .i jalge fa zoi glico.
::<blockquote>I didn't know what in Lojban. I used many cultures with elves in them. As for the doubter, the laws of physics. I knew to publish to Wikipedia. I didn't come to be offered by talking to other languages. I know I made an incorrect person talked to by the country. <div class="paragraphbreak"></div>Large size didn't begin to what in Lojban, but I did want to make large size. I saw many people who had problems with the medium of publishing. For example, people interacting wrong. Nobody to talk to. Wrong categories. Other problems. <div class="paragraphbreak"></div>Now, I don't publish. I don't know what in Lojban about discussing, but the many days of disasters affecting translation aren't used. People discussing can be on Wikipedia. Not on other forums. <div class="paragraphbreak"></div>My publisher wasn't offered by beginning, but you thought I made the beginning.</blockquote>
::.glico .i za'a dai, toi'e ba'a, lo pa moi co jufmei jo'u lo ro moi cu kaijbi lo ka na jai cumki
::ni'o xu do pilno su'o <abbr title="za'e barda zei bankanpymi'i">me LLM</abbr> lo ka fanva fu lo se gubgau be do .i lo prujbirai be lo nu mi kelci lo'e me LLM cu jai fau zgana lo nu ri mutce co mectolcre lo ka fanva ba'e ''fo'' lo jbobau kei lo ka fanva ba'e ''fi'' ri .i da'i ka'e plixau do nu'i fi lo ka ri'a ce'u jijnu lo du'u ma kau ni jmifrili fa lo'e xe fanva pe do nu'u, fa lo nu da'i cpedu lo ka xrufanva ri lo verclibau be do kei lo'e se pilno be do me LLM fau lo nu ri sanji no pu se fanva be ri
::ni'o li'a na nabmi fa lo nu casnu ci'e la .uikipedi'as. .i mu'a ka'e gubgau lo'e prosa poi do na'e birti tu'a ke'a ku'o lo za'e <abbr title="userspace">pretecysro</abbr> gi'e friti lo ka piksku fi ru fo ce'u
::ni'o su'a ralju lo pu se xanka be mi fa lo nu da'i zilzena soi sutra se'u fa lo ka se gubgau fi lo lojbo me la .uikipedi'as. gi'e jminandu mutce .i zu'u nai li'a xa'o ku lo me ti uitki cu cmalu gi'e cando gi'e poi'i so'i da zo'u so'i toldra be da ke'a pagbu .i ji'a li'a mi me lo jai krinu be lo nu go'i .i soi so'i drata poi da'i ka'e djukansa cu jai se tasmi, cu lazni gi'a zukcfu lo'e drata gi'a jdicyselnandu gi'a mo kau li'o .i ka'u lo fasnu ku kau fasnu gi'e xo'i tai zi'o .i se ki'u bo mi to'e mu'i nai lo pu se skicu be mi cu .i'onmo lo nu do ba'e zukte ba'e su'o da pe ti
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Thanks for the reply and sorry if I was too unkind. It's just really hard to understand what you say. As a hopefully useful example, I tried to translate your reply to English (see quote above). As you can probably see, the first and last paragraphs are almost impossible.
Are you using LLMs to translate your posts? Last time I played with LLMs, they were much less bad at translating ''from'' Lojban than ''to'' Lojban. To get an idea of how easy to understand your translations are, it might be useful to ask the LLM to translate the Lojban back to your native language without letting it see any of the original text.
Discussing here on Wikipedia isn't a problem of course. You could post articles you're not sure about in userspace and receive comments on them.
In short, my main fear was that Lojban Wikipedia could quickly fill with content that can't be made sense of. On the other hand, this wiki is already small and inactive and full of pages with many sorts of mistakes, and of course I'm part of the reasion why it is this way. Like many others who hypothetically could be helping out, I'm lazy or busy with other things or indecisive or whatever it may be. It is what it is, what will be will be, and so despite all I've said I appreciate that you're actually doing ''something'' here.
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::mi'e la [[User:Kihurma|Kihurma]] sei me'o ny. 2026 ly. 7 dy. 27 ti detri
:::Your interpretation of my Lojban text is completely incorrect. It is not a matter of disagreement over meaning – it is a matter of factual misinterpretation of the Lojban text itself.
:::Here is a comparison of what I actually wrote and what you understood:
:::'''What I actually said''' (in Lojban) – '''What you understood''' – '''The real meaning'''
:::* lo so'i se crida – "many cultures with elves" - "various sources" – I was referring to the tools and references I used.
:::* lo termu'e – "laws of physics" - "a tool / means" – in this context, I meant AI.
:::* lo ka gubgau fi la .uikipedias. – "publishing to Wikipedia" (correct) - "how to edit Wikipedia" – this one you understood correctly.
:::* lo na drani jikca - "people interacting wrong" - "incorrect links" – I was referring to technical issues with interwiki links.
:::* lo na zasti jikca - "nobody to talk to" - "missing links" – I meant there were no interwiki links at all for some pages.
:::* lo na drani klesi - "wrong categories" (correct) - "wrong category structure" – this one you also understood correctly.
:::* na se friti lo ka cfari - "wasn't offered by beginning" - "was not an act of vandalism" – I was clearly stating that my edits were not vandalism.
:::Your interpretation is not a valid critique of my work. It is a translation failure – either by an automatic translator or by your own attempt to read Lojban without knowing the language. I cannot accept criticism based on words that I never wrote.
:::Thank you for your feedback. However, I must point out that your interpretation of my Lojban text is factually incorrect – it contains words and phrases that I never used. I understand that you may have used an automatic translator or guessed the meaning, but that does not reflect what I actually wrote.
:::I do not claim to speak Lojban fluently. I used various tools – including AI – to assist me, but I made sure to follow Wikipedia's technical standards, especially regarding interwiki links and category structure. I am familiar with these mechanisms, and I did not make errors in that area.
:::I saw that the Lojban Wikipedia was in a poor state: broken links, missing links, inconsistent categories, and other technical issues. I wanted to help. My edits were made in good faith, not as vandalism.
:::I am currently pausing my edits because I do not have enough Lojban knowledge to discuss complex topics. However, I still believe that discussion should happen on Wikipedia itself, not on external forums – especially when the issue is technical, not linguistic.
:::If you want to evaluate my work, please base it on what I actually wrote – not on a broken translation. If there are specific errors in my edits, I am open to correcting them – but I need to understand what they are, not what a translator imagined they were.
:::PS: As for the speed of my edits – I am simply a technically proficient and logically minded Wikipedia editor. I am able to process information quickly, plan structure efficiently, and implement changes in a well-organized manner. My speed is not a result of carelessness, but of experience and good workflow management. If this raises concerns, I can slow down – but let that be a conscious choice, not an accusation of lack of diligence. .i be'i la'o gy [[pilno:ThWiki1910|ThWiki1910]] gy 14:10, 28 ly. ze 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[pilno:ThWiki1910|ThWiki1910]] This is not a matter of technical standards. ''Your'' Lojban plainly doesn't mean what you think it means - for starters, go look up [https://lensisku.lojban.org/en/valsi/crida?highlight_definition_id=216&langid=2 crida] - and is broadly symptomatic of unverified mid-tier LLM output. Even small models will happily claim to know Lojban and will generate something that looks kinda sorta like it; but even frontier models like Fable don't know it well enough to generate it correctly without tool assistance. .i be'i la'o gy [[pilno:Int0x19|Int0x19]] gy 19:09, 28 ly. ze 2026 (UTC)
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== ni'o lo se gubgau be do ==
coi .i za'a do gubgau so'i sai cnino prosa .i ku'i so'a da poi do ke'a gubgau zo'u mi mutce co se nandu lo ka su'o pagbu be da zo'u jimpe lo du'u ma kau ri smuni .i mu'a la'au [[pau saske]] li'u zo'u na ka'e ku mi va'o gi pu'i tcidu le prosa gi'e nu'o .y za'e <abbr title="hover">xovre</abbr> lo za'e <abbr title="link">linki</abbr> pe lo bangu panra gi jijnu lo du'u .aidji lo ka fanva fu le prosa fe la'o gy. [[en:Methodology|Methodology]] .gy
ni'o do cmima xu su'o lojbo snustu (to mu'a [https://old.reddit.com/r/lojban/] [https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Lojban_Live_Chat] [https://discord.com/invite/dGP5A6Fpj7] toi) .i .e'u va'o gi go'i gi casnu ro da poi do finti ke'a tu'a ti ku'o pu lo nu gubgau da ti kei ci'e le snustu
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Hi. I see you've posted a lot of new articles. However, for most of them I find it really hard to understand any of what is meant. For example, having read [[pau saske]] without hovering over the translation links, I would have never guessed that it was meant to be a translation of [[en:Methodology|Methodology]].
Are you in any Lojban forum (e.g. [https://old.reddit.com/r/lojban/] [https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Lojban_Live_Chat] [https://discord.com/invite/dGP5A6Fpj7])? If so, I suggest discussing what you write for this wiki there before publishing it here.
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mi'e la [[User:Kihurma|Kihurma]] sei me'o ny. 2026 ly. 7 dy. 12 ti detri mu'o
:.i mi na pu djuno lo bau la .lojban. .i mi pu pilno lo so'i se crida .i lo senpi fa lo termu'e .i mi pu djuno lo ka gubgau fi la .uikipedias. .i mi na pu binxo lo ka se friti lo ka jikca lo drata bangu .i mi djuno lo du'u mi pu zbasu lo na drani se jikca be lo gugde.
:.i lo bau la .lojban. cu na se binxo lo ka barda .i ku'i mi pu djica lo ka zbasu lo ka barda .i mi pu viska lo so'i se nabmi be lo te gubgau .i mu'a lo na drani jikca .i lo na zasti jikca .i lo na drani klesi .i lo drata nabmi.
:.i ca ku mi na gubgau .i mi na djuno lo bau la .lojban. lo ka casnu .i ku'i lo so'i djedi be lo nu betri lo ka fanva cu na se pilno .i lo casnu cu kakne lo ka zasti ne'i la .uikipedias. .i na'e ne'i lo drata snustu.
:.i lo mi gubgau na se friti lo ka cfari .i ku'i do pu jinvi lo du'u mi pu zbasu lo ka cfari.
:.i be'i la'o gy [[pilno:ThWiki1910|ThWiki1910]] gy 07:25, 19 ly. ze 2026 (UTC)
::.i ckire do lo ka spuda .i va'o lo nu mi dukse lo ka to'e xendo zo'u, .e'o do mi fraxu .i sa'u je'a nandu fa lo ka smuju'o lo se cusku be do .i soi .a'o ke'a mupli gi'e plixau do cu troci lo ka fanva di'u noi do spusku ku'o lo glicybau .i jalge fa zoi glico.
::<blockquote>I didn't know what in Lojban. I used many cultures with elves in them. As for the doubter, the laws of physics. I knew to publish to Wikipedia. I didn't come to be offered by talking to other languages. I know I made an incorrect person talked to by the country. <div class="paragraphbreak"></div>Large size didn't begin to what in Lojban, but I did want to make large size. I saw many people who had problems with the medium of publishing. For example, people interacting wrong. Nobody to talk to. Wrong categories. Other problems. <div class="paragraphbreak"></div>Now, I don't publish. I don't know what in Lojban about discussing, but the many days of disasters affecting translation aren't used. People discussing can be on Wikipedia. Not on other forums. <div class="paragraphbreak"></div>My publisher wasn't offered by beginning, but you thought I made the beginning.</blockquote>
::.glico .i za'a dai, toi'e ba'a, lo pa moi co jufmei jo'u lo ro moi cu kaijbi lo ka na jai cumki
::ni'o xu do pilno su'o <abbr title="za'e barda zei bankanpymi'i">me LLM</abbr> lo ka fanva fu lo se gubgau be do .i lo prujbirai be lo nu mi kelci lo'e me LLM cu jai fau zgana lo nu ri mutce co mectolcre lo ka fanva ba'e ''fo'' lo jbobau kei lo ka fanva ba'e ''fi'' ri .i da'i ka'e plixau do nu'i fi lo ka ri'a ce'u jijnu lo du'u ma kau ni jmifrili fa lo'e xe fanva pe do nu'u, fa lo nu da'i cpedu lo ka xrufanva ri lo verclibau be do kei lo'e se pilno be do me LLM fau lo nu ri sanji no pu se fanva be ri
::ni'o li'a na nabmi fa lo nu casnu ci'e la .uikipedi'as. .i mu'a ka'e gubgau lo'e prosa poi do na'e birti tu'a ke'a ku'o lo za'e <abbr title="userspace">pretecysro</abbr> gi'e friti lo ka piksku fi ru fo ce'u
::ni'o su'a ralju lo pu se xanka be mi fa lo nu da'i zilzena soi sutra se'u fa lo ka se gubgau fi lo lojbo me la .uikipedi'as. gi'e jminandu mutce .i zu'u nai li'a xa'o ku lo me ti uitki cu cmalu gi'e cando gi'e poi'i so'i da zo'u so'i toldra be da ke'a pagbu .i ji'a li'a mi me lo jai krinu be lo nu go'i .i soi so'i drata poi da'i ka'e djukansa cu jai se tasmi, cu lazni gi'a zukcfu lo'e drata gi'a jdicyselnandu gi'a mo kau li'o .i ka'u lo fasnu ku kau fasnu gi'e xo'i tai zi'o .i se ki'u bo mi to'e mu'i nai lo pu se skicu be mi cu .i'onmo lo nu do ba'e zukte ba'e su'o da pe ti
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Thanks for the reply and sorry if I was too unkind. It's just really hard to understand what you say. As a hopefully useful example, I tried to translate your reply to English (see quote above). As you can probably see, the first and last paragraphs are almost impossible.
Are you using LLMs to translate your posts? Last time I played with LLMs, they were much less bad at translating ''from'' Lojban than ''to'' Lojban. To get an idea of how easy to understand your translations are, it might be useful to ask the LLM to translate the Lojban back to your native language without letting it see any of the original text.
Discussing here on Wikipedia isn't a problem of course. You could post articles you're not sure about in userspace and receive comments on them.
In short, my main fear was that Lojban Wikipedia could quickly fill with content that can't be made sense of. On the other hand, this wiki is already small and inactive and full of pages with many sorts of mistakes, and of course I'm part of the reasion why it is this way. Like many others who hypothetically could be helping out, I'm lazy or busy with other things or indecisive or whatever it may be. It is what it is, what will be will be, and so despite all I've said I appreciate that you're actually doing ''something'' here.
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::mi'e la [[User:Kihurma|Kihurma]] sei me'o ny. 2026 ly. 7 dy. 27 ti detri
:::Your interpretation of my Lojban text is completely incorrect. It is not a matter of disagreement over meaning – it is a matter of factual misinterpretation of the Lojban text itself.
:::Here is a comparison of what I actually wrote and what you understood:
:::'''What I actually said''' (in Lojban) – '''What you understood''' – '''The real meaning'''
:::* lo so'i se crida – "many cultures with elves" - "various sources" – I was referring to the tools and references I used.
:::* lo termu'e – "laws of physics" - "a tool / means" – in this context, I meant AI.
:::* lo ka gubgau fi la .uikipedias. – "publishing to Wikipedia" (correct) - "how to edit Wikipedia" – this one you understood correctly.
:::* lo na drani jikca - "people interacting wrong" - "incorrect links" – I was referring to technical issues with interwiki links.
:::* lo na zasti jikca - "nobody to talk to" - "missing links" – I meant there were no interwiki links at all for some pages.
:::* lo na drani klesi - "wrong categories" (correct) - "wrong category structure" – this one you also understood correctly.
:::* na se friti lo ka cfari - "wasn't offered by beginning" - "was not an act of vandalism" – I was clearly stating that my edits were not vandalism.
:::Your interpretation is not a valid critique of my work. It is a translation failure – either by an automatic translator or by your own attempt to read Lojban without knowing the language. I cannot accept criticism based on words that I never wrote.
:::Thank you for your feedback. However, I must point out that your interpretation of my Lojban text is factually incorrect – it contains words and phrases that I never used. I understand that you may have used an automatic translator or guessed the meaning, but that does not reflect what I actually wrote.
:::I do not claim to speak Lojban fluently. I used various tools – including AI – to assist me, but I made sure to follow Wikipedia's technical standards, especially regarding interwiki links and category structure. I am familiar with these mechanisms, and I did not make errors in that area.
:::I saw that the Lojban Wikipedia was in a poor state: broken links, missing links, inconsistent categories, and other technical issues. I wanted to help. My edits were made in good faith, not as vandalism.
:::I am currently pausing my edits because I do not have enough Lojban knowledge to discuss complex topics. However, I still believe that discussion should happen on Wikipedia itself, not on external forums – especially when the issue is technical, not linguistic.
:::If you want to evaluate my work, please base it on what I actually wrote – not on a broken translation. If there are specific errors in my edits, I am open to correcting them – but I need to understand what they are, not what a translator imagined they were.
:::PS: As for the speed of my edits – I am simply a technically proficient and logically minded Wikipedia editor. I am able to process information quickly, plan structure efficiently, and implement changes in a well-organized manner. My speed is not a result of carelessness, but of experience and good workflow management. If this raises concerns, I can slow down – but let that be a conscious choice, not an accusation of lack of diligence. .i be'i la'o gy [[pilno:ThWiki1910|ThWiki1910]] gy 14:10, 28 ly. ze 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[pilno:ThWiki1910|ThWiki1910]] This is not a matter of technical standards. ''Your'' Lojban plainly doesn't mean what you think it means - for starters, go look up [https://lensisku.lojban.org/en/valsi/crida?highlight_definition_id=216&langid=2 crida] - and is broadly symptomatic of unverified mid-tier LLM output. Even small models will happily claim to know Lojban and will generate something that looks kinda sorta like it; but even frontier models like Fable don't know it well enough to generate it correctly without tool assistance. .i be'i la'o gy [[pilno:Int0x19|Int0x19]] gy 19:09, 28 ly. ze 2026 (UTC)
:::Hey ThWiki1910,
:::Thanks for acting in good faith as you claim, rather than vandalizing this Wiki.
:::LLMs suck at Lojban. They confidently produce broken text full of errors. Is there a policy against bot editing on Wikipedia? .i be'i la'o gy [[pilno:Byron James Johnson|Byron James Johnson]] gy 19:24, 28 ly. ze 2026 (UTC)
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== ni'o lo se gubgau be do ==
coi .i za'a do gubgau so'i sai cnino prosa .i ku'i so'a da poi do ke'a gubgau zo'u mi mutce co se nandu lo ka su'o pagbu be da zo'u jimpe lo du'u ma kau ri smuni .i mu'a la'au [[pau saske]] li'u zo'u na ka'e ku mi va'o gi pu'i tcidu le prosa gi'e nu'o .y za'e <abbr title="hover">xovre</abbr> lo za'e <abbr title="link">linki</abbr> pe lo bangu panra gi jijnu lo du'u .aidji lo ka fanva fu le prosa fe la'o gy. [[en:Methodology|Methodology]] .gy
ni'o do cmima xu su'o lojbo snustu (to mu'a [https://old.reddit.com/r/lojban/] [https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Lojban_Live_Chat] [https://discord.com/invite/dGP5A6Fpj7] toi) .i .e'u va'o gi go'i gi casnu ro da poi do finti ke'a tu'a ti ku'o pu lo nu gubgau da ti kei ci'e le snustu
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Hi. I see you've posted a lot of new articles. However, for most of them I find it really hard to understand any of what is meant. For example, having read [[pau saske]] without hovering over the translation links, I would have never guessed that it was meant to be a translation of [[en:Methodology|Methodology]].
Are you in any Lojban forum (e.g. [https://old.reddit.com/r/lojban/] [https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Lojban_Live_Chat] [https://discord.com/invite/dGP5A6Fpj7])? If so, I suggest discussing what you write for this wiki there before publishing it here.
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mi'e la [[User:Kihurma|Kihurma]] sei me'o ny. 2026 ly. 7 dy. 12 ti detri mu'o
:.i mi na pu djuno lo bau la .lojban. .i mi pu pilno lo so'i se crida .i lo senpi fa lo termu'e .i mi pu djuno lo ka gubgau fi la .uikipedias. .i mi na pu binxo lo ka se friti lo ka jikca lo drata bangu .i mi djuno lo du'u mi pu zbasu lo na drani se jikca be lo gugde.
:.i lo bau la .lojban. cu na se binxo lo ka barda .i ku'i mi pu djica lo ka zbasu lo ka barda .i mi pu viska lo so'i se nabmi be lo te gubgau .i mu'a lo na drani jikca .i lo na zasti jikca .i lo na drani klesi .i lo drata nabmi.
:.i ca ku mi na gubgau .i mi na djuno lo bau la .lojban. lo ka casnu .i ku'i lo so'i djedi be lo nu betri lo ka fanva cu na se pilno .i lo casnu cu kakne lo ka zasti ne'i la .uikipedias. .i na'e ne'i lo drata snustu.
:.i lo mi gubgau na se friti lo ka cfari .i ku'i do pu jinvi lo du'u mi pu zbasu lo ka cfari.
:.i be'i la'o gy [[pilno:ThWiki1910|ThWiki1910]] gy 07:25, 19 ly. ze 2026 (UTC)
::.i ckire do lo ka spuda .i va'o lo nu mi dukse lo ka to'e xendo zo'u, .e'o do mi fraxu .i sa'u je'a nandu fa lo ka smuju'o lo se cusku be do .i soi .a'o ke'a mupli gi'e plixau do cu troci lo ka fanva di'u noi do spusku ku'o lo glicybau .i jalge fa zoi glico.
::<blockquote>I didn't know what in Lojban. I used many cultures with elves in them. As for the doubter, the laws of physics. I knew to publish to Wikipedia. I didn't come to be offered by talking to other languages. I know I made an incorrect person talked to by the country. <div class="paragraphbreak"></div>Large size didn't begin to what in Lojban, but I did want to make large size. I saw many people who had problems with the medium of publishing. For example, people interacting wrong. Nobody to talk to. Wrong categories. Other problems. <div class="paragraphbreak"></div>Now, I don't publish. I don't know what in Lojban about discussing, but the many days of disasters affecting translation aren't used. People discussing can be on Wikipedia. Not on other forums. <div class="paragraphbreak"></div>My publisher wasn't offered by beginning, but you thought I made the beginning.</blockquote>
::.glico .i za'a dai, toi'e ba'a, lo pa moi co jufmei jo'u lo ro moi cu kaijbi lo ka na jai cumki
::ni'o xu do pilno su'o <abbr title="za'e barda zei bankanpymi'i">me LLM</abbr> lo ka fanva fu lo se gubgau be do .i lo prujbirai be lo nu mi kelci lo'e me LLM cu jai fau zgana lo nu ri mutce co mectolcre lo ka fanva ba'e ''fo'' lo jbobau kei lo ka fanva ba'e ''fi'' ri .i da'i ka'e plixau do nu'i fi lo ka ri'a ce'u jijnu lo du'u ma kau ni jmifrili fa lo'e xe fanva pe do nu'u, fa lo nu da'i cpedu lo ka xrufanva ri lo verclibau be do kei lo'e se pilno be do me LLM fau lo nu ri sanji no pu se fanva be ri
::ni'o li'a na nabmi fa lo nu casnu ci'e la .uikipedi'as. .i mu'a ka'e gubgau lo'e prosa poi do na'e birti tu'a ke'a ku'o lo za'e <abbr title="userspace">pretecysro</abbr> gi'e friti lo ka piksku fi ru fo ce'u
::ni'o su'a ralju lo pu se xanka be mi fa lo nu da'i zilzena soi sutra se'u fa lo ka se gubgau fi lo lojbo me la .uikipedi'as. gi'e jminandu mutce .i zu'u nai li'a xa'o ku lo me ti uitki cu cmalu gi'e cando gi'e poi'i so'i da zo'u so'i toldra be da ke'a pagbu .i ji'a li'a mi me lo jai krinu be lo nu go'i .i soi so'i drata poi da'i ka'e djukansa cu jai se tasmi, cu lazni gi'a zukcfu lo'e drata gi'a jdicyselnandu gi'a mo kau li'o .i ka'u lo fasnu ku kau fasnu gi'e xo'i tai zi'o .i se ki'u bo mi to'e mu'i nai lo pu se skicu be mi cu .i'onmo lo nu do ba'e zukte ba'e su'o da pe ti
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Thanks for the reply and sorry if I was too unkind. It's just really hard to understand what you say. As a hopefully useful example, I tried to translate your reply to English (see quote above). As you can probably see, the first and last paragraphs are almost impossible.
Are you using LLMs to translate your posts? Last time I played with LLMs, they were much less bad at translating ''from'' Lojban than ''to'' Lojban. To get an idea of how easy to understand your translations are, it might be useful to ask the LLM to translate the Lojban back to your native language without letting it see any of the original text.
Discussing here on Wikipedia isn't a problem of course. You could post articles you're not sure about in userspace and receive comments on them.
In short, my main fear was that Lojban Wikipedia could quickly fill with content that can't be made sense of. On the other hand, this wiki is already small and inactive and full of pages with many sorts of mistakes, and of course I'm part of the reasion why it is this way. Like many others who hypothetically could be helping out, I'm lazy or busy with other things or indecisive or whatever it may be. It is what it is, what will be will be, and so despite all I've said I appreciate that you're actually doing ''something'' here.
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::mi'e la [[User:Kihurma|Kihurma]] sei me'o ny. 2026 ly. 7 dy. 27 ti detri
:::Your interpretation of my Lojban text is completely incorrect. It is not a matter of disagreement over meaning – it is a matter of factual misinterpretation of the Lojban text itself.
:::Here is a comparison of what I actually wrote and what you understood:
:::'''What I actually said''' (in Lojban) – '''What you understood''' – '''The real meaning'''
:::* lo so'i se crida – "many cultures with elves" - "various sources" – I was referring to the tools and references I used.
:::* lo termu'e – "laws of physics" - "a tool / means" – in this context, I meant AI.
:::* lo ka gubgau fi la .uikipedias. – "publishing to Wikipedia" (correct) - "how to edit Wikipedia" – this one you understood correctly.
:::* lo na drani jikca - "people interacting wrong" - "incorrect links" – I was referring to technical issues with interwiki links.
:::* lo na zasti jikca - "nobody to talk to" - "missing links" – I meant there were no interwiki links at all for some pages.
:::* lo na drani klesi - "wrong categories" (correct) - "wrong category structure" – this one you also understood correctly.
:::* na se friti lo ka cfari - "wasn't offered by beginning" - "was not an act of vandalism" – I was clearly stating that my edits were not vandalism.
:::Your interpretation is not a valid critique of my work. It is a translation failure – either by an automatic translator or by your own attempt to read Lojban without knowing the language. I cannot accept criticism based on words that I never wrote.
:::Thank you for your feedback. However, I must point out that your interpretation of my Lojban text is factually incorrect – it contains words and phrases that I never used. I understand that you may have used an automatic translator or guessed the meaning, but that does not reflect what I actually wrote.
:::I do not claim to speak Lojban fluently. I used various tools – including AI – to assist me, but I made sure to follow Wikipedia's technical standards, especially regarding interwiki links and category structure. I am familiar with these mechanisms, and I did not make errors in that area.
:::I saw that the Lojban Wikipedia was in a poor state: broken links, missing links, inconsistent categories, and other technical issues. I wanted to help. My edits were made in good faith, not as vandalism.
:::I am currently pausing my edits because I do not have enough Lojban knowledge to discuss complex topics. However, I still believe that discussion should happen on Wikipedia itself, not on external forums – especially when the issue is technical, not linguistic.
:::If you want to evaluate my work, please base it on what I actually wrote – not on a broken translation. If there are specific errors in my edits, I am open to correcting them – but I need to understand what they are, not what a translator imagined they were.
:::PS: As for the speed of my edits – I am simply a technically proficient and logically minded Wikipedia editor. I am able to process information quickly, plan structure efficiently, and implement changes in a well-organized manner. My speed is not a result of carelessness, but of experience and good workflow management. If this raises concerns, I can slow down – but let that be a conscious choice, not an accusation of lack of diligence. .i be'i la'o gy [[pilno:ThWiki1910|ThWiki1910]] gy 14:10, 28 ly. ze 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[pilno:ThWiki1910|ThWiki1910]] This is not a matter of technical standards. ''Your'' Lojban plainly doesn't mean what you think it means - for starters, go look up [https://lensisku.lojban.org/en/valsi/crida?highlight_definition_id=216&langid=2 crida] - and is broadly symptomatic of unverified mid-tier LLM output. Even small models will happily claim to know Lojban and will generate something that looks kinda sorta like it; but even frontier models like Fable don't know it well enough to generate it correctly without tool assistance. .i be'i la'o gy [[pilno:Int0x19|Int0x19]] gy 19:09, 28 ly. ze 2026 (UTC)
:::Hey ThWiki1910,
:::Thanks for acting in good faith as you claim, rather than vandalizing this Wiki.
:::LLMs suck at Lojban. They confidently produce broken text full of errors. .i be'i la'o gy [[pilno:Byron James Johnson|Byron James Johnson]] gy 19:24, 28 ly. ze 2026 (UTC)
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