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== Request for updating the text of the Clementine Bible ==

Two months ago, at [[Disputatio:Vulgata Clementina#The Clementine Vulgate Project dead?]] I noted that the links related to ''The Clementine Vulgate Project'', the main source used for the text of the [[Vulgata Clementina]], were dead.

Fortunately, the list of changes made since the import of on Wikisource can be found [https://web.archive.org/web/20240122025223/https://vulsearch.sourceforge.net/clemtext.rss here]. There is also [https://bitbucket.org/clementinetextproject/text/downloads/ a repository] (although I am not sure if it is up to date).

I have no experience in programming or making imports. So, could someone please update the text of [[Vulgata Clementina]] of Wikisource to use the latest version of ''The Clementine Vulgate Project''? [[Usor:Veverve|Veverve]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Veverve|disputatio]]) 10:01, 23 Februarii 2025 (UTC)

:@[[Usor:Ser be etre shi|Ser be etre shi]] Are you able to help with this? Ping in case so. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:27, 3 Iulii 2025 (UTC)
:@[[Usor:Veverve|Veverve]] Just checking these look like quite a small number of changes, is that right? It may be easiest to do these manually. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:38, 24 Octobris 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|JimKillock}} well, my Latin is almost nonexistent, so I cannot do it myself sadly. [[Usor:Veverve|Veverve]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Veverve|disputatio]]) 18:21, 24 Octobris 2025 (UTC)

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On EN wikisource, they have a template &lt;nowiki&gt;{{longs}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to produce ''ſ'' on the transcription page, and by default, ''s'' on the ebook page. users on EN WS can toggle these on and off. 

In this book, [[:la:Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']], there are a number of unusual characters that could do with toggling: ''ſ (s); ß (ss); ẽ (en / em) ũ (un / um) æ (ae) ę (ae) õ (on / om) ã (an / am) œ (oe)''. ([[:formula:ls]] already exists here for ſ, and some other characters semi-implemented at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] but the toggling is not switched on.)

In order to implement this:

(1) What would LA WiCategoria:Formulae litterarumkisource need to enable for user toggling of special characters?

(2) Who would I contact (assuming this is an admin task)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:06, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)

:It looks like it would need this installing, as a start: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js|MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:13, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|OrbiliusMagister}} as the only active magister! --[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:16, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|SZC 03}} in case you have an opinion (you made changes at the De Pricipia transcription project which we could implement better with this toggle feature). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:31, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)
::I would like to point out that not all of the listed characters are of the same kind: 
::* ſ is a variant of s; 
::* ß, æ and œ are [[:w:en:Ligature (writing)|ligatures]] of ſs, ae and oe respectively ([[:w:en:E caudata|ę]] can represent both ae or oe); 
::* ã, ẽ, õ, ũ are used to indicate [[:w:en:Scribal abbreviation|abbreviations]].
::Personally I think it would be somewhat useful to implement the toggle feature only for æ and œ, since of all the ligatures they are the only ones that carry some meaning (that ae or oe in that word is a diphthong) and the only ones that easily show up in search results and correctly displayed in web-browsers.
::Note that both English and Italian wikisources in their transcription guidelines take in consideration the ability of both modern readers and search engines to correctly interpret the character shown (see [[:en:Wikisource:Style guide/Orthography]] and [[:it:Wikisource:Convenzioni di trascrizione]]). Though it would be useful to write rules specific to the Latin wikisource.
::I hope these considerations were of any help. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 07:58, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC)
::In regards to the [[Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']] it would be appropriate to encode the text in a way that we do not lose your work of accurately transcribing the above characters, while still showing to the end user a normalized form. My edit was trying to achieve this with the templates currently in wikisource.
::From a technical standpoint, it would be useful to have a general template not specific to any character that could be used both in ''ad hoc'' situations, and in creating other templates.
::Also if such a template is created for abbreviations it should behave differently from the long s and ligatures, since 1) the text displayed is context dependent, and 2) it is common use in diplomatic transcriptions to show the abbreviated characters in parentheses (so I were taught in paleography class). 
::To give an example of point 2 from the text ([[Pagina:Nicolaus_Machiavellus_De_Principe.pdf/69|page 45]], line 11):
::Original text: Iãq́ꝫ
::Diplomatic transcription: Ia(m)q(ue)
::Standard transcription: Iamque  
::I’m sorry for the lengthy comments. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:02, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC)
:::I agree something adhoc would be helpful. The template would need to specify 
:::* the text as-is and
:::* the modernised version
:::and hopefully there would be a system to pick up which to display.
:::In terms of the display: this could be the js system, perhaps adapted, that we have on en.ws, or possibly it could be an adjustment to the page templates set up, to allow two different books, or sets of pages, to be presented. This would have the advantage that exports would facilitate both (IDK but suspect that exports support the default rather than user choice). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 15:48, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC)
:::I have set out this information in a [[Usor:JimKillock/Orthography|table]] including information about dictionary lookups and likely search engine issues. In short, from a user perspective, all the characters can be problematic, but æ and œ work within Alpheios for dictionary lookups, so are a bit more tolerable than the others from a default perspective. However I think it is useful tobe able to see and use the originals for some people, eg those practicing reading Renaissance scans etc; or researchers or academics looking to use source texts. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:09, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|Alex brollo}}, {{ping|VIGNERON}}, {{ping|Candalua}} in case you can help. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:38, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)
::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] Interesting question. I'll take a look to the ensource template to understand how it works (I hope it is not based on javascript). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 06:18, 1 Maii 2025 (UTC)
:::I’m afraid it is based on javascript: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]]
:::To see the button you have to enable the [[:en:Help:Gadget-Visibility|Visibility gadget]]. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:12, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] checking in whether we can implement this, or find another solution. I am holding off further changes until I know how to proceed - but I am sure there should be a way to do this! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:40, 19 Maii 2025 (UTC)
:::Noting this question comes up again at [[:Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] (I have [[Disputatio Libri:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|left a note there]]). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:08, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
::::OK, I have developed templates as this is holding up other people's work. I have based each template on the existing [[:formula:ls]], and avoid duplicating those that already exist using the same method at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]]. Meantime if anyone has further thoughts about using Visibility Gadget or going another way, I would be very grateful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:02, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] I have made a very basic template for flexible character switching at [[Formula:Scr]]; this returns the first entry on the book page, and the second in main space, eg &lt;nowiki&gt;{{scr|qꝫ|que}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; would work the same as &lt;nowiki&gt;{{que}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;. 
:::::However there is advice on ENWS not to use characters but use HTML entities for CSS reasons, so it is probably better for users to use specific templates. For example, I also created &lt;nowiki&gt;{{po}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; which allows a user to decide what it might best represent, eg &lt;nowiki&gt;{{po|;}} or {{po|?}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;.
:::::In general, using set templates like &lt;nowiki&gt;{{que}}, {{em}}, {{um}}, {{etc}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; is much easier for proofing, so I think I will continue to add these where it seems useful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:29, 24 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
::::::Hi folks, so that you know, I have made something of a workaround to be able to enable these features, which works well enough for me. I will perhaps add some guidance somewhere. What I have done:
::::::# Installed the font Garamontio, as it has the qꝫ character, and all the possible ligatures
::::::# Created custom css to apply Garamontio to Wikisource as a whole;  at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.css]]; and
::::::# Created (vibecoded) custom javascript at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.js]]
::::::The second script looks for the various spans with the css style typographic-long-s, and replaces the characters as appropriate. This seems to work surprisingly well, Garamontio does all of the discretionary ligatures etc, and is a very well designed font (fork of EB Garamond, with some extra touches useful here). The issue is of course that this applies to the whole of Latin Wikisource all of the time. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:35, 25 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], reading this I wanted to tell you that you could apply styles to a index page, but I see you have already figured it out. Kudos on your progress. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 09:56, 9 Iulii 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Thanks @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]]; my list of scribal transformations has got quite long tho. And I need to check on the possible logic of it, some needs to hide and unhide, rather than search and replace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:27, 11 Iulii 2025 (UTC)

== We will be enabling the new Charts extension on your wiki soon! ==

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Hi all! We have good news to share regarding the ongoing problem with graphs and charts affecting all wikis that use them.

As you probably know, the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|old Graph extension]] was disabled in 2023 [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/EWL4AGBEZEDMNNFTM4FRD4MHOU3CVESO/|due to security reasons]]. We’ve worked in these two years to find a solution that could replace the old extension, and provide a safer and better solution to users who wanted to showcase graphs and charts in their articles. We therefore developed the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Charts extension]], which will be replacing the old Graph extension and potentially also the [[:mw:Extension:EasyTimeline|EasyTimeline extension]].

After successfully deploying the extension on Italian, Swedish, and Hebrew Wikipedia, as well as on MediaWiki.org, as part of a pilot phase, we are now happy to announce that we are moving forward with the next phase of deployment, which will also include your wiki.

The deployment will happen in batches, and will start from '''May 6'''. Please, consult [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|our page on MediaWiki.org]] to discover when the new Charts extension will be deployed on your wiki. You can also [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|consult the documentation]] about the extension on MediaWiki.org.

If you have questions, need clarifications, or just want to express your opinion about it, please refer to the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension_talk:Chart/Project|project’s talk page on Mediawiki.org]], or ping me directly under this thread. If you encounter issues using Charts once it gets enabled on your wiki, please report it on the [[:mw:Extension_talk:Chart/Project|talk page]] or at [[phab:tag/charts|Phabricator]].

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You may now [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025/Candidates|submit your candidacy to serve on the U4C]] through 29 May 2025 at 12:00 UTC. Information about [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025|eligibility, process, and the timeline are on Meta-wiki]]. Voting on candidates will open on 1 June 2025 and run for two weeks, closing on 15 June 2025 at 12:00 UTC.

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== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 Maii 2025 (UTC)
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Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
* July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5]
* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

Board Liaison to the Elections Committee

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== Administrator backlog? ==

Hi there,

I am noticing a lot of pages that say that the current version is not checked; and versions I have amended are not (apparently) displayed because they need approval. Am I right in assuming this is due to a lack of (active) administrator time? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:53, 30 Maii 2025 (UTC)

:Relatedly @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] / @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] / other admins, [[Colloquia familiaria]] has an old index page and other old sub pages which could do with changes being approved. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:58, 12 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
::Ping on this, some of the sub pages are quite broken. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:42, 28 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:I have tried to fix the lack of text in ePub export for [[Noctes Atticae]].
:Unfortunately, it seems that all my submissions require approval (last approval seems to have taken place more than five years ago).
:Is there any way to have &lt;code&gt;class=&quot;ws-export&quot;&lt;/code&gt; to the second &lt;code&gt;&amp;lt;table&amp;gt;&lt;/code&gt; from [[Noctes Atticae]]?
:Many thanks for your help, [[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 19:09, 15 Augusti 2025 (UTC)
::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] Checking you know this is working now [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:21, 18 Augusti 2026 (UTC)

== Vote now in the 2025 U4C Election ==

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Eligible voters are asked to participate in the 2025 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee]] election. More information–including an eligibility check, voting process information, candidate information, and a link to the vote–are available on Meta at the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Election/2025|2025 Election information page]]. The vote closes on 17 June 2025 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1750161600 12:00 UTC].

Please vote if your account is eligible. Results will be available by 1 July 2025. -- In cooperation with the U4C, [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 23:01, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) &lt;/div&gt;
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== Mnemonics Book in Latin ==

Dear all,

Over the past month, with the help of others, I’ve been compiling a list of older and often overlooked books on mnemonic techniques available on [[:en:Portal:Mnemonics|Wikisource English]]. Many of these works—some dating back decades or even centuries—offer fascinating insights into how memory has been understood, trained, and improved across different cultures and time periods.

I've recently added a new section to the portal: &quot;Multilingual Works on Mnemonic Techniques.&quot; This is in part because several of the English-language texts reference related works in other languages, particularly Latin.

Unfortunately, many of these referenced works are written in Classical Latin, and my ability to work with them is quite limited—I’ve done what I can, but they remain largely inaccessible to me.

If anyone has expertise in Classical Latin and might be willing to help with these texts, your assistance would be greatly appreciated.

* ''[[:la:Foenix|Foenix]] by [[w:en:Peter of Ravenna|Peter of Ravenna]]'' (1491)
* ''[[:la:Congestorium Artificiose Memorie|Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]'' by Johann Horst von Romberch (1533)

[[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032259.jpg|150px]][[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032269.jpg|150px]]

Here is a discussion form on it 

https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/johannes-romberchs-congestorium-artificiose-memorie/30174

Warm regards [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 23:15, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC)

:Hi there, I could help proofing texts you have prepared perhaps? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:57, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:: Thanks for offering—I’d really appreciate your help with proofreading.
:: We have two books. Which one would you like to start with?
::*[[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]]
::*[[Liber:Congestorium artificiose memorie ... - V.P.F. Joa(n)nis Romberch de Kyrspe. Regularis obseruantie predicatorie- (IA hin-wel-all-00002875-001).pdf]]
::[[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 21:49, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:::I can do the pages you have put into the first, as a start for you. BTW the transcribed text does not always look like it originated from the source. It is very correct, but some has different orthography and missed certain parts. That is fine of course if we are correcting to the original. (PS: you might want to create a user account so that you can be notified of replies, hide your IP address, etc). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:57, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:::I had a go at the first page or two; some of the orthography was removed while other parts were kept. I kept all of it as a first go. See the discussion above about how we treat orthography, hopefully we can address this with templates. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:11, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
::::I'm using Google OCR and some AI tools to pull out text and sometimes translate it into English so I can understand it. If anyone could help me proofread or check it, I’d be super grateful! [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 00:50, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:::::I have added all the templates we need for the special characters / orthography, I will start doing the pages with those. The end result will be that on the main space ebook pages, the chars will toggle on and off, at least once that is properly implemented. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:25, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
::::::Noted, sounds good. I’ll try adding to the other pages next time. [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 22:10, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC)

== &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 - Call for Candidates&lt;/span&gt; ==

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Hello all,

The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025|call for candidates for the 2025 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees selection is now open]] from June 17, 2025 – July 2, 2025 at 11:59 UTC [1]. The Board of Trustees oversees the Wikimedia Foundation's work, and each Trustee serves a three-year term [2]. This is a volunteer position.

This year, the Wikimedia community will vote in late August through September 2025 to fill two (2) seats on the Foundation Board. Could you – or someone you know – be a good fit to join the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees? [3]

Learn more about what it takes to stand for these leadership positions and how to submit your candidacy on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Candidate application|this Meta-wiki page]] or encourage someone else to run in this year's election.

Best regards,

Abhishek Suryawanshi&lt;br /&gt;
Chair of the Elections Committee

On behalf of the Elections Committee and Governance Committee

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Call_for_candidates

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal:Bylaws#(B)_Term.

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== [[De Principe]] ==

Si vis, quaeso, me adiuva ut liber novus ''[[De Principe]]'' correctus sit et erroribus liber. Nuper completus, ab aliquo alio corrigendus est. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:14, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC)

== &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;Sister Projects Task Force reviews Wikispore and Wikinews&lt;/span&gt; ==

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Dear Wikimedia Community,

The [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee|Community Affairs Committee (CAC)]]  of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees assigned [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Sister Projects Task Force|the Sister Projects Task Force (SPTF)]] to update and implement a procedure for assessing the lifecycle of Sister Projects – wiki [[m:Wikimedia projects|projects supported by Wikimedia Foundation (WMF)]].

A vision of relevant, accessible, and impactful free knowledge has always guided the Wikimedia Movement. As the ecosystem of Wikimedia projects continues to evolve, it is crucial that we periodically review existing projects to ensure they still align with our goals and community capacity.

Despite their noble intent, some projects may no longer effectively serve their original purpose. '''Reviewing such projects is not about giving up – it's about responsible stewardship of shared resources'''. Volunteer time, staff support, infrastructure, and community attention are finite, and the non-technical costs tend to grow significantly as our ecosystem has entered a different age of the internet than the one we were founded in. Supporting inactive projects or projects that didn't meet our ambitions can unintentionally divert these resources from areas with more potential impact.

Moreover, maintaining projects that no longer reflect the quality and reliability of the Wikimedia name stands for, involves a reputational risk. An abandoned or less reliable project affects trust in the Wikimedia movement.

Lastly, '''failing to sunset or reimagine projects that are no longer working can make it much harder to start new ones'''. When the community feels bound to every past decision – no matter how outdated – we risk stagnation. A healthy ecosystem must allow for evolution, adaptation, and, when necessary, letting go. If we create the expectation that every project must exist indefinitely, we limit our ability to experiment and innovate.

Because of this, SPTF reviewed two requests concerning the lifecycle of the Sister Projects to work through and demonstrate the review process. We chose Wikispore as a case study for a possible new Sister Project opening and Wikinews as a case study for a review of an existing project. Preliminary findings were discussed with the CAC, and a community consultation on both proposals was recommended.

=== Wikispore ===

The [[m:Wikispore|application to consider Wikispore]] was submitted in 2019. SPTF decided to review this request in more depth because rather than being concentrated on a specific topic, as most of the proposals for the new Sister Projects are, Wikispore has the potential to nurture multiple start-up Sister Projects.

After careful consideration, the SPTF has decided '''not to recommend''' Wikispore as a Wikimedia Sister Project. Considering the current activity level, the current arrangement allows '''better flexibility''' and experimentation while WMF provides core infrastructural support. 

We acknowledge the initiative's potential and seek community input on what would constitute a sufficient level of activity and engagement to reconsider its status in the future.

As part of the process, we shared the decision with the Wikispore community and invited one of its leaders, Pharos, to an SPTF meeting.

Currently, we especially invite feedback on measurable criteria indicating the project's readiness, such as contributor numbers, content volume, and sustained community support. This would clarify the criteria sufficient for opening a new Sister Project, including possible future Wikispore re-application. However, the numbers will always be a guide because any number can be gamed.

=== Wikinews ===

We chose to review Wikinews among existing Sister Projects because it is the one for which we have observed the highest level of concern in multiple ways.

Since the SPTF was convened in 2023, its members have asked for the community's opinions during conferences and community calls about Sister Projects that did not fulfil their promise in the Wikimedia movement.[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WCNA_2024._Sister_Projects_-_opening%3F_closing%3F_merging%3F_splitting%3F.pdf &lt;nowiki&gt;[1]&lt;/nowiki&gt;][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Sister_Projects_Task_Force#Wikimania_2023_session_%22Sister_Projects:_past,_present_and_the_glorious_future%22 &lt;nowiki&gt;[2]&lt;/nowiki&gt;][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F &lt;nowiki&gt;[3]&lt;/nowiki&gt;] Wikinews was the leading candidate for an evaluation because people from multiple language communities proposed it. Additionally, by most measures, it is the least active Sister Project, with the greatest drop in activity over the years.

While the Language Committee routinely opens and closes language versions of the Sister Projects in small languages, there has never been a valid proposal to close Wikipedia in major languages or any project in English. This is not true for Wikinews, where there was a proposal to close English Wikinews, which gained some traction but did not result in any action[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_English_Wikinews &lt;nowiki&gt;[4]&lt;/nowiki&gt;][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F &lt;nowiki&gt;[5]&lt;/nowiki&gt;, see section 5] as well as a draft proposal to close all languages of Wikinews[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_closing_projects/Archive_2#Close_Wikinews_completely,_all_languages? &lt;nowiki&gt;[6]&lt;/nowiki&gt;].

[[:c:File:Sister Projects Taskforce Wikinews review 2024.pdf|Initial metrics]] compiled by WMF staff also support the community's concerns about Wikinews.

Based on this report, SPTF recommends a community reevaluation of Wikinews. We conclude that its current structure and activity levels are the lowest among the existing sister projects. SPTF also recommends pausing the opening of new language editions while the consultation runs.

SPTF brings this analysis to a discussion and welcomes discussions of alternative outcomes, including potential restructuring efforts or integration with other Wikimedia initiatives.

'''Options''' mentioned so far (which might be applied to just low-activity languages or all languages) include but are not limited to:
*Restructure how Wikinews works and is linked to other current events efforts on the projects,
*Merge the content of Wikinews into the relevant language Wikipedias, possibly in a new namespace,
*Merge content into compatibly licensed external projects,
*Archive Wikinews projects.
Your insights and perspectives are invaluable in shaping the future of these projects. We encourage all interested community members to share their thoughts on the relevant discussion pages or through other designated feedback channels.

=== Feedback and next steps ===

We'd be grateful if you want to take part in a conversation on the future of these projects and the review process. We are setting up two different project pages: [[m:Public consultation about Wikispore|Public consultation about Wikispore]] and [[m:Public consultation about Wikinews|Public consultation about Wikinews]]. Please participate between 27 June 2025 and 27 July 2025, after which we will summarize the discussion to move forward. You can write in your own language.

I will also host a community conversation 16th July Wednesday 11.00 UTC and 17th July Thursday 17.00 UTC (call links to follow shortly) and will be around at Wikimania for more discussions. 
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== Latin incunabula and other early books ==

Expanding a bit on what I mentioned above, re character toggling, and also working on the books [[Foenix]] and [[Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae]]
* the Transkribus Latin Incunabula scan does a great job on the heavy gothic style print
* I will see how it does with more Garamond-style texts, in case it works with these
* I have developed a fairly full set of templates for scribal characters, see [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]]
* I am thinking about using a bot to wholesale search and replace long s, and other scribal characters mapped there
Between these things, the work to transcribe and correct early printed Latin books should be very much reduced. If anyone feels like helping test this out, do give me shout. Meantime I will run tests on Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae to check how well the bot system works. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:50, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC)

:The folks at Wikisource helped create a JS solution for this, see [[Usor:JimKillock/incunabula.js]]. The script does a search and replace for what is needed, on the '''first save of a new book page'''; these are the settings for the Incunabula style section of [[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|this scan, p 52 onwards]]  for [[Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]. It seems to work very well and is extremely labour saving! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 22:59, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC)

== Navigation and validation ==

Hi there, 

I would like to do some work on navigation, to provide some &quot;portal&quot; pages similar to EN Wikisource. For example, this would help with learner texts a lot 9I often get asked how to find these texts, I point to the category pages, but these are very basic.

I would also like to know what we should do about page validation. Some really necessary changes are currently languishing in the backlog. This is an admin only task: should we asking for more administrators, or is this something existing admins here can take on? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 14:08, 13 Iulii 2025 (UTC)
:Hi {{U|JimKillock}} good idea, don't hesitate to start and/or ask for help. That said, I'm not sure to see why this is an admin task (even if, yes, the underlying point is true, we need more admins). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:31, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think the Portal namespace and some modules need setting up which require admin permissions, I will dig a bit further and come back to you. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

== Wikidata Item and Property labels soon displayed in Wiki Watchlist/Recent Changes ==

''(Apologies for posting in English, you can help by translating into your language)''

Hello everyone, the [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects]] team is excited to announce an upcoming change in how Wikidata edit changelogs are displayed in your [[Special:Watchlist|Watchlists]] and [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]] lists. If an edit is made on Wikidata that affects a page in another Wikimedia Project, the changelog will contain some information about the nature of the edit. This can include a QID (or Q-number), a PID (or P-number) and a value (which can be text, numbers, dates, or also QID or PID’s). Confused by these terms? See the [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Glossary|Wikidata:Glossary]] for further explanations.

The upcoming change is scheduled for '''17.07.2025''', between '''1300 - 1500 UTC'''.
The change will display the label (item name) alongside any QID or PIDs, as seen in the image below:
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These changes will only be visible if you have Wikidata edits enabled in your User Preferences for Watchlists and Recent Changes, or have the active filter ‘Wikidata edits’ checkbox toggled on, directly on the Watchlist and Recent Changes pages.

Your bot and gadget may be affected! There are thousands of bots, gadgets and user-scripts and whilst we have researched potential effects to many of them, we cannot guarantee there won’t be some that are broken or affected by this change.

Further information and context about this change, including how your bot may be affected can be found on this [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|project task page]]. We welcome your questions and feedback, please write to us on this dedicated [[m:Talk:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Talk page]].

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== &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;  Upcoming Deployment of the CampaignEvents Extension&lt;/span&gt; ==

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Hello everyone,  

''(Apologies for posting in English if English is not your first language. Please help translate to your language.)''

The Campaigns Product Team is planning a global deployment of the '''[[:mw:Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]]''' to all Wikisource, including this Wikisource, during the '''week of August 25th'''.

This extension is designed to help organizers plan and manage events, WikiProjects, and other on-wiki collaborations - and to make these efforts more discoverable.

The three main features of this extension are:

* '''[[:m:Event_Center/Registration|Event Registration]]''': A simple way to sign up for events on the wiki.
*  '''[[:m:CampaignEvents/Collaboration_list|Collaboration List]]''': A global list of events and a local list of WikiProjects, accessible at '''[[:m:Special:AllEvents|Special:AllEvents]]'''.
*  '''[[:m:Campaigns/Foundation_Product_Team/Invitation_list|Invitation Lists]]''': A tool to help organizers find editors who might want to join, based on their past contributions.

'''Note''': The extension comes with a new user right called '''&quot;Event Organizer&quot;''', which will be managed by administrators on this Wikisource. Organizer tools like Event Registration and Invitation Lists will only work if someone is granted this right. The Collaboration List is available to everyone immediately after deployment.

The extension is already live on several wikis, including '''all Wikipedia, Meta, Wikidata''', and more ( [[m:CampaignEvents/Deployment_status#Current_Deployment_Status_for_CampaignEvents_extension| See the full deployment list]])

If you have any questions, concerns, or feedback, please feel free to share them on the [[m:Talk:CampaignEvents| extension talkpage]]. We’d love to hear from you before the rollout.

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== &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;Temporary accounts will be rolled out soon&lt;/span&gt; ==

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Hello, we are the Wikimedia Foundation [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity|Product Safety and Integrity]] team. We would like to announce that '''we plan to enable [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] for this wiki in the week of September 1'''.

Temporary accounts are successfully live on 30 wikis, including many large ones like German, Japanese, and French. The change they bring is especially relevant to logged-out editors, who this feature is designed to protect. But it is also relevant to community members like mentors, patrollers, and admins – anyone who reverts edits, blocks users, or otherwise interacts with logged-out editors as part of keeping the wikis safe and accurate. 

'''Why we are building temporary accounts'''

Our wikis should be safer to edit by default for logged-out editors. Temporary accounts allow people to continue editing the wikis without creating an account, while avoiding publicly tying their edits to their IP address. We believe this is in the best interest of our logged-out editors, who make valuable contributions to the wikis and who may later create accounts and grow our community of editors, admins, and other roles. Even though the wikis do warn logged-out editors that their IP address will be associated with their edit, many people may not understand what an IP address is, or that it could be used to connect them to other information about them in ways they might not expect. 

Additionally, our moderation software and tools rely too heavily on network origin (IP addresses) to identify users and patterns of activity, especially as IP addresses themselves are becoming less stable as identifiers. Temporary accounts allow for more precise interactions with logged-out editors, including more precise blocks, and can help limit how often we unintentionally end up blocking good-faith users who use the same IP addresses as bad-faith users.

'''How temporary accounts work'''
[[File:Temporary account banner and empty talk page.png|thumb]]
Any time a logged-out user publishes an edit on this wiki, a cookie will be set in this user's browser, and a temporary account tied with this cookie will be automatically created. This account's name will follow the pattern: &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;~2025-12345-67&lt;/code&gt; (a tilde, current year, a number). On pages like Recent Changes or page history, this name will be displayed. The cookie will expire 90 days after its creation. As long as it exists, all edits made from this device will be attributed to this temporary account. It will be the same account even if the IP address changes, unless the user clears their cookies or uses a different device or web browser. A record of the IP address used at the time of each edit will be stored for 90 days after the edit. However, only some logged-in users will be able to see it.

'''What does this mean for different groups of users?'''

'''For logged-out editors'''

* This increases privacy: currently, if you do not use a registered account to edit, then everybody can see the IP address for the edits you made, even after 90 days. That will no longer be possible on this wiki.
* If you use a temporary account to edit from different locations in the last 90 days (for example at home and at a coffee shop), the edit history and the IP addresses for all those locations will now be recorded together, for the same temporary account. Users who [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Access_to_temporary_account_IP_addresses|meet the relevant requirements]] will be able to view this data. If this creates any personal security concerns for you, please contact talktohumanrights at wikimedia.org for advice.

'''For community members interacting with logged-out editors'''

* A temporary account is uniquely linked to a device. In comparison, an IP address can be shared with different devices and people (for example, different people at school or at work might have the same IP address).
* Compared to the current situation, it will be safer to assume that a temporary user's talk page belongs to only one person, and messages left there will be read by them. As you can see in the screenshot, temporary account users will receive notifications. It will also be possible to thank them for their edits, ping them in discussions, and invite them to get more involved in the community.

'''For users who use IP address data to moderate and maintain the wiki'''

* '''For patrollers''' who track persistent abusers, investigate violations of policies, etc.: Users who [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Access_to_temporary_account_IP_addresses|meet the requirements]] will be able to reveal temporary users' IP addresses and all contributions made by temporary accounts from a specific IP address or range ([[Special:IPContributions]]). They will also have access to useful information about the IP addresses thanks to the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/IP Info|IP Info]] feature. Many other pieces of software have been built or adjusted to work with temporary accounts, including AbuseFilter, global blocks, Global User Contributions, and more. (For information for volunteer developers on how to update the code of your tools – see the last part of the message.)
* '''For admins blocking logged-out editors''':
** It will be possible to block many abusers by just blocking their temporary accounts. A blocked person won't be able to create new temporary accounts quickly if the admin selects the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Autoblock|autoblock]] option.
** It will still be possible to block an IP address or IP range.
* Temporary accounts will not be retroactively applied to contributions made before the deployment. On Special:Contributions, you will be able to see existing IP user contributions, but not new contributions made by temporary accounts on that IP address. Instead, you should use Special:IPContributions for this.

'''Our requests for you, and next steps'''

* If you know of any tools, bots, gadgets etc. using data about IP addresses or being available for logged-out users, you may want to test if they work on [[testwiki:Main_Page|testwiki]] or [[test2wiki:Main_Page|test2wiki]]. If you are a volunteer developer, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers|read our documentation for developers]], and in particular, the section on [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers#How should I update my code?|how your code might need to be updated]].
* If you want to test the temporary account experience, for example just to check what it feels like, go to testwiki or test2wiki and edit without logging in.
* Tell us if you know of any difficulties that need to be addressed. We will try to help, and if we are not able, we will consider the available options.
* Look at our [[m:Meta:Babel#Temporary_Accounts:_access_to_IP_addresses_and_next_steps|previous message]] about requirements for users without extended rights who may need access to IP addresses.

To learn more about the project, check out [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/FAQ|our FAQ]] – you will find many useful answers there. You may also [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/Updates|look at the updates]] (we have just posted one) and [[mw:Newsletter:Product Safety and Integrity|subscribe to our new newsletter]]. If you'd like to talk to me (Szymon) off-wiki, you will find me on Discord and Telegram. Thank you!&lt;section end=&quot;body&quot; /&gt;
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== All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae ==

I was looking for templates/formulae by looking at &lt;nowiki&gt;[[Categoria:Formulae]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;

All pages in [[Liber:Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679.djvu]] are in &lt;nowiki&gt;[[Categoria:Formulae]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;

Many (all?) pages in [[Liber:Gallia Christiana, 1715, T1.djvu]] are in &lt;nowiki&gt;[[Categoria:Formulae]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;, like article [[Gallia Christiana 1715 01/Epistola2]]

These all use [[Formula:Sidenotes begin]]. There is one &quot;[https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&amp;oldid=79709&amp;diff=cur pending change]&quot; on this template. But that change puts the category outside the noinclude.
::&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;
::&lt;nowiki&gt;[[Categoria:Formulae]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;

Please either reject the change or move the categoria line. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 04:17, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC)

:Hi @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], I don't think anyone from the admins is monitoring or actioning pending changes currently. (see discussions re admin queues above.) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 05:29, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|Shenme}} {{done}} I excluded the categories. {{ping|JimKillock}} no blame but be careful next time, categories should always be excluded. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:28, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|VIGNERON}} It wasn't @JimKillock who made [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=79709 the problematic change], but someone else [[Usor:Ceciliawolf]]. I noticed the problem, he included the problem a list that got your attention. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 02:46, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Shenme}} yes, but [[Special:Diff/236794]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 06:57, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

== Request for admin status ==

Hi all, given that we have quite a lot of admin requests (mostly relating to &quot;pending&quot; changes), I would like to request administrator status so that some of these can be cleared. If anyone else wants to step up to help out, that would also be welcome. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:23, 1 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

:Ping to @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], @[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]]:, @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]]:, @[[Usor:Candalua|Candalua]]:  in case you feel able to support my request. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:57, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::Hi {{U|JimKillock}},
::I apparently missed it, where do we have « a lot of admin requests » ?
::That said, one more admin is always good, so create the request and I'll support it.
::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:34, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::Hi @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]], 
:::Thank you! On the admin requests, on this page, here are these
:::* [[#All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae]]
:::* [[#It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace]] (which you have replied to)
:::* [[#Navigation and validation]]
:::* [[#Administrator backlog?]]
:::* [[#Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s)]] (altho this has been worked around and may not be needed)
:::Most of these relate to the ''Pending changes'' backlog in various ways; two are requests for new features / modules to be ported across. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks, I see. It doesn't look like a lot to me, I'll try to deal with it today. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:27, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thank you @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] :) You could also take a look at the pending changes on [[Formula:Pagina_prima/Novae_Aetatis]] and [[Moriae encomium]]. The really big job is going through [[Specialis:PendingChanges|pending changes]] altogether - I understand there is a five year backlog. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:36, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::::I see... I had a quick look and all changes seem good. Do we even need this extension on Wikisource? Also, if we keep it, I guess we need more reviewers rather than admins (more admins would be useful too, but that's a separate point). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 10:35, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::Of course, the request needs to be supported; without active administrators it is very inconvenient. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:21, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::What do you need us to do? BTW, it would be great to know why edits require administrator approvals. Sorry, but I‘m afraid this makes contributing almost pointless. Many thanks for your help, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 14:15, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::So there are two reasons it would be helpful for me to be an admin; one is if we carry on with the approval system (it looks like we will not) and the other is around updating or adding certain components, modules for example. There may be other tasks I am not aware of that I could help with, but these are the ones I know about. Implementing Portal pages for example needs some work by an admin AIUI.
:::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] your question re edits needing approval is [[#Do_we_need_to_approve_changes_to_pages|addressed below, here]]. 
:::In terms of what you / others need to do, it seems that if there is a consensus to allow me administrator permissions, then a bueaucrat user would implement it (I mistakenly opening a request at meta, and they referred me back here); so we just need to have your views, yes, no, maybe, etc. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:01, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::The page [[Vicifons:Magistratus]], intended for promotion, seems to be protected; I couldn't edit it (''petitio grapheocrat'''ae''''') and add a category ([[:Categoria:Usores]]). [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:23, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, it seems editable now so I [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Petitio_magistratus|added my request there]], if anyone wants to support it. Regarding ''grapheocrates -ae'', how is this declined? Is it otherwise treated as a masculine first declension? Thinking it ought to be added to Wiktionary as it is missing from there. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:00, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::::This is [https://archive.org/details/calepinusnovus2002/calepinusnovus2002-french-latin/page/n23/mode/1up?q=grapheocrates from Licoppe and Eichenseer]. Yes, this can be added to Wiktionary, I have no experience editing there. Thanks for the corrections, today the system let me in, but yesterday for some unknown reason it didn’t let me in. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:53, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you and no problem. I can add to Wiktionary I hope; is the plural therefore ''grapheocratae''; and is the singular ''grapheocrates'' or ''grapheocrata''? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:14, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Yes, of course. They took the Modern Greek word γραφειοκράτης. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:41, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, after a bit of struggle that is at [[:en:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] and  [[:la:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:43, 7 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

== It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace ==

It would require someone with interface admin status to create [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index data config.json]] to replace the current index form parameters ([[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index attributes|very old system]]) with special care to not mass delete information by unadvertedly changing some parameter's name. [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config.json Example from the English Wikisource]. If someone wants to help, please contact me. Regards! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 02:10, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

:Hi @[[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]], potentially - if I have admin status :) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:54, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|Ignacio Rodríguez}} I did a test (by copy-pasting the English page), it works, so no need to be interface admin, being admin is enough.
::I only half understand that paramater page, could you give me the actual content expected ?
::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:38, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't remember all the details but I worked on that page in the Spanish Wikisource almost a decade ago. I'll make a mockup in the talk page, but I can't promise to get all the Latin words right. For ease, parameter names and help tooltips will be in English internally, but they will show in Latin in the form. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::This was added and it now works perfectly. Thanks! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:25, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

== Do we need to approve changes to pages ==

Hi all,

Moving the discussion regarding the backlog at [[Specialis:PendingChanges]]: @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] asks whether we need to have this feature. I suspect it was switched on because of spam, vandalism, or some other similar issue. Without it we might need to be keeping an eye on recent changes. I am not sure how the proteccted changes permissions works, or whether permissions to make approvals to changes can be delegated more widely. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

:Changes to pages affecting project *function* must be controlled. But it seems that Pending Changes doesn't actually stop changes to something like a template/formula from having effect? See my report about &lt;nowiki&gt;Formula:Sidenotes begin&lt;/nowiki&gt; above.
:And checking a couple of the other initial items in [[Specialis:PendingChanges]], it seems that all pending changes are actually immediately applied to active, visible pages.
:So Pending Changes &lt;u&gt;does not prevent damage&lt;/u&gt; to the project. It is &lt;u&gt;merely a tracking and notification method?&lt;/u&gt;
:That can be useful, but requires a set of people to be change reviewers. And changes to subject matter would seem to require reviewers knowledgeable about the subject? 
:And when changes affect *function*, like templates, who can review and approve those? I'd think only admins.
:The link to monitoring Recent Changes is undeniable. I monitor Recent Changes often at Spanish Wikisource because I've seen the random damage people can do. That is the only way to react quickly to damage. (?) But then that assumes people are checking lists frequently, at least daily. 
:Neither Pending Changes or monitoring Recent Changes prevent damage. They can be only part of a solution to damage. I don't know what to think about Pending Changes ''in isolation''. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 03:48, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} I've got mainly two points :
::* vandlism is low to inexistant on la.ws (and it's already low on most Wikisources), making this extension useless and even problematic. Because it doesn't prevent changes but it prevents them to be effective.
::** Apparently the reason to install is [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_VII#protection_of_completed_works_-_Flagged_Revisions_as_an_alternative?]]
::* this extension is actually caleld [[mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs]] and it's deprecated for years (see [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_XI#Futrue_of_FlaggedRevs_(Pending_Changes)_extension]] or the warning on the extension itself « Flagged Revisions is complex, poorly documented, very clunky, and not recommended for production use »). Also, people on Wikisource don't seem to really master or even using it (including the reviewers rights). Maybe it's aan opportunity to list exactly what we need and find a new extension that fit these needs.
::In the end, I see a lot of cons and only a few pros...
::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:35, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:I haven't seen any vandalism here in years. But if you fix the errors, the &quot;Pending Changes&quot; status means that the fixes will only be visible to registered users. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:10, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} many thanks for your replies. I must admit that I’m an occasional Wikisource (or even Wikipedia contributor). I essentially (or exclusively) contribute corrections.
:Some days ago, I wanted to download an ePub file for the [[Noctes Atticae]] (to do some regexp searches), but the export was wrong. I tried to modify the code (which I have done successfully for the Greek Wikisource many times) and I found out that I needed a ''nihil obstat'' (I’m afraid this would be way to name it).
:Of course, I’m the least interested in vandalism (either contributing it myself, or being any collaborative project being infested/polluted by it). But I think there should be a way of distinguishing between vandalism and non-hardcore (or occasional) contributors.
:I don’t know any perfect system, but it should be worth considering a mixed approach. Approval could be required for: already flagged users (for vandalism) and recent users (how about a five-year publishing embargo?).
:Only to mention a case, my [https://el.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Συμπόσιον_(Πλάτων)&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=49677 first contribution to the Greek Wiksource] was in 2012. I don’t know for how long I have been registered in Wikimedia (I guess this was before 2010).
:This isn’t about myself, the issue here is that Wikisource needs contributions to even exist (not to mention for its growth). If no regular user is allowed to contribute without approval, cooperation is basically non-existing.
:Even with approval, the reply times are incredibly slow (because of the system). It is not that attention spans are getting shorter, time is the most scarce resource we all are (and I don’t have weeks or months to see whether I’m allowed to have [[Noctes Atticae]] as ePub).
:Sorry, the sentence in parentheses isn’t a complaint. Please, do as you please, but my contribution is: consider that you might be making contributions way harder, project growth way slower and administrators’ roles way more complicated (probably, than they could and should be).
:Many thanks for your help and your project, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 17:15, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think there is consensus we can switch this off. Let me know if I can help in any way if you think it's time to switch it off. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:25, 4 Octobris 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks for the reminder and agreed for removal, so I created a task on Phabricator here : [[Phab:T406424]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:42, 5 Octobris 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks for filing this @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] , the Wikimedia tech team seem to have finished their work on this now! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:16, 18 Octobris 2025 (UTC)

== Index page error &quot;Error: Invalid interval&quot; ==

I am getting an error: at [[:Liber:Nos in schola latine loquimur - Ars latine loquendi.pdf]] &quot;Error: Invalid interval&quot; for the paginae listing; even when set to &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;pagelist 1=1 /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;. Any clues appreciated! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:48, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

:This might be the infamous &quot;0x0 bug&quot; that has plagued Wikisource for two? three? years. Normally it resolves doing a purge in both the file page in Commons and in the local Wikisource. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 19:34, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks, that seems to b working now. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:53, 6 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

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Quaeso ut videatis [[:en:Author talk:Archibald Pitcairne|Author talk:Archibald Pitcairne]] pro indicio operum Archibaldi Pitcarnii auctoris. Haec opera olim sub pagina Anglica erant posita, sed propter Latinam linguam sublata sunt. Possumusne paginam [[Scriptor:Archibaldus Pitcarnius]](?) creare et haec ibi recensere? [[Specialis:Conlationes/&amp;#126;2025-27371-40|&amp;#126;2025-27371-40]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:&amp;#126;2025-27371-40|talk]]) 20:45, 19 Octobris 2025 (UTC)

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::Gratias ago! Nota quaeso quod, ubi pagina creata erit, eam etiam in Vicidata addendam esse, sicut Anglica pagina [[:en:Author:Archibald Pitcairne]]. --[[Specialis:Conlationes/&amp;#126;2025-27371-40|&amp;#126;2025-27371-40]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:&amp;#126;2025-27371-40|talk]]) 08:50, 20 Octobris 2025 (UTC)
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== Vandalismus ==

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== Ad magistratus ==

Magistratus venerabiles, potestisne in [[MediaWiki:Edittools|capsam insertionis]] addere haec: &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;poem&gt;+&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; et &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Versus|+}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;? — Dear admins, сan you add to the [[MediaWiki:Edittools|quick insert toolbar]] &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;poem&gt;+&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; et &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Versus|+}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;? [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 07:09, 3 Februarii 2026 (UTC)

:@[[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]]: done, sorry for the delay. If you need anything else, please ping me, as I don't normally follow the Scriptorium. [[Usor:Candalua|Candalua]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Candalua|disputatio]]) 07:09, 17 Aprilis 2026 (UTC)
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== Action Required: Update templates/modules for electoral maps (Migrating from P1846 to P14226) ==

Hello everyone,

This is a notice regarding an ongoing data migration on Wikidata that may affect your election-related templates and Lua modules (such as &lt;code&gt;Module:Itemgroup/list&lt;/code&gt;).

'''The Change:'''&lt;br /&gt;
Currently, many templates pull electoral maps from Wikidata using the property [[:d:Property:P1846|P1846]], combined with the qualifier [[:d:Property:P180|P180]]: [[:d:Q19571328|Q19571328]]. 

We are migrating this data (across roughly 4,000 items) to a newly created, dedicated property: '''[[:d:Property:P14226|P14226]]'''.

'''What You Need To Do:'''&lt;br /&gt;
To ensure your templates and infoboxes do not break or lose their maps, please update your local code to fetch data from [[:d:Property:P14226|P14226]] instead of the old [[:d:Property:P1846|P1846]] + [[:d:Property:P180|P180]] structure. A [[m:Wikidata/Property Migration: P1846 to P14226/List|list of pages]] was generated using Wikimedia Global Search.

'''Deadline:'''&lt;br /&gt;
We are temporarily retaining the old data on [[:d:Property:P1846|P1846]] to allow for a smooth transition. However, to complete the data cleanup on Wikidata, the old [[:d:Property:P1846|P1846]] statements will be removed after '''May 1, 2026'''. Please update your modules and templates before this date to prevent any disruption to your wiki's election articles.

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== Proofing [[Liber:PRAETORIUS, Michael - Syntagma musicum 1.djvu]] ==

If anyone would like to help to do a second proof of [[Liber:PRAETORIUS, Michael - Syntagma musicum 1.djvu]], that would be very welcome! I am helping with this as well. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:01, 12 Maii 2026 (UTC)

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== Formula:FI ==

{{tl|FI}} is currently broken and ignores the {{para|width}} param. All images are set to the default size, which is usually very large, like in [[Lirica (Ariosto)]]. [[Usor:Trooper57|Trooper57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Trooper57|disputatio]]) 21:06, 31 Maii 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, I guess we should check how it is behaving in the Italian wiki(s)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:16, 7 Iunii 2026 (UTC)

== Copyright problem? Appropriate for here? ==

What is going on here?
* [[Scriptor:Coronus_Tenebrosius]]
* [[Contemplationes_Metaphysicae]]
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* [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius]]

No statement of copyright. No proof of authorship. paginae vanitatis ? [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 08:24, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC)

:Cum iure auctoris problemata non habebimus, si auctor ipse opera exponit. Et si delere consilium capiemus, [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Saumache|magistratus non habemus]], qui hoc faciant. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:37, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:&lt;blockquote&gt;'''Salvete.''' '''Nomen meum est Krunoslav Mrkoci, et ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' est interpretatio nominis mei in linguam Latinam, id est identitas mea Latina.''' '''Confirmo me ipsum auctorem esse omnium operum hic editorum. Opera primum Croatice scripta sunt, hic autem in versione Latina proposita.''' '''Praeterea fere omnia opera mea iam antea Croatice edita sunt in forma typographica. Id praesertim ad carmina mea pertinet, quae primum anno 1998 in libello iuvenili edita sunt, deinde in variis commentariis typis impressis, inter quos eminenter numeratur periodicum litterarium, culturalis et scientificum ''Riječi'' (Latine: ''Verba''), quod bis delectum e carminibus meis protulit.''' '''Item magna pars commentationum aliarumque prosarum, quae hic in linguam Latinam conversa sunt, iam antea et typis et forma electronica in Croatia divulgata est.'''  Quaeso ut attendatis ad paginam meam in Wikidata, ubi tam sub nomine Croatico ''Krunoslav Mrkoci'' quam sub nomine Latino ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' ut auctor operum meorum inscriptus sum. Gratias ago pro lectione. '''Coronus Tenebrosius'''.&lt;/blockquote&gt; [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius|Coronus Tenebrosius]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Coronus Tenebrosius|disputatio]]) 12:23, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC)

== Copying some templates from the English Wikisource ==

Hello,

Would someone please be able to help me get [[s:en:Template:ppoem|en:Template:ppoem]], [[s:en:blackletter|en:blackletter]], [[s:en:Template:he|en:Template:he]], and [[s:en:Template:grc|en:Template:grc]] available to use on this Wikisource, so I can utilize them here? For the blackletter, I've tried [[Formula:Gothica|Gothica]], but that doesn't seem to be rendering properly.

Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 00:04, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)

:@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] I made the shortcut for [[Formula:Graeca]]. You should not need any administror rights to do anything you need, I'll take a look into it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 09:46, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:Blackletter is already here, [[:Formula:Gothica]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:57, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::Hi! @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]], thanks! Just for clarification, do I need to make the template pages in Latin, or is it alright to copy them in English? Also, @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], I mentioned this above, but for some reason, the Gothica template isn't working for me. See [[Pagina:Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf/15]], for example. Any idea why that might be the case? [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 16:16, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] This wiki lacks proper guidelines and recommendations, I would prefer if you translated the template's name, e.g., [[Formula:spatium]] rather than [[Formula:spatio]] but given the international nature of the project (nobody's mother tongue is Latin) best practice should be to add translated names as shortcuts/redirects. Beware adding templates that are already on the wiki under a different name ([[Formula:grc]] was already at [[Formula:Graeca]]). I took a quick look and it seems the fonts used by the blackletter template are not installed on the wiki; the same template does not seem to work on the French Wikisource either. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 17:40, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::::Maybe we have sufficient powers to add the fonts now? Or we can ask someone with additional permissions to do so. But yes I remember now this has been a long standing problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:54, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:::[https://yaytext.com/fraktur/ This converter] 𝔠𝔬𝔫𝔳𝔢𝔯𝔱𝔰 𝔩𝔢𝔱𝔱𝔢𝔯𝔰 𝔱𝔬 𝔉𝔯𝔞𝔨𝔱𝔲𝔯 (because it exists in Unicode as separate characters). &lt;s&gt;However, I'm not sure if such text can be found using a regular search.&lt;/s&gt; No, Wikipedia search finds it. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:48, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::::I looked into using the converter, but I'm running into the issue of lack of compatibility with {{[[Formula:Ls|Ls]]}}. Would it be better to just wait for the font to be added? Do we have any idea when that will happen/who needs to be contacted for that to happen?
::::Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 19:34, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:::::These Unicode characters don't feel right on my labtop, they have heigth issues among other things. I went and asked on two different wikis about the fonts, I will come back to you when I get some answers. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 19:41, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:[[Formula:Poema recte formatum]] or [[Formula:Ppoem]] now work, altho there's issues with the documentation page. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:52, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 21:20, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)


:{{tl|blackletter}} was not working for me, even after locally installing UnifrakturMaguntia from Google fonts, until I restarted my web browser, which also followed my rebooting. Also, it can't be just any gothic/blackletter font, but must be one of these Fraktur fonts: UnifrakturMaguntia UnifrakturCook  Unifraktur. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 21:19, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Demetrius Talpa|JimKillock|Erblanchard57}} Fonts are downloaded locally, you need to go to Modi/Praeferentiae &gt; Proprietates &gt; Sermonis delectus &gt; Plura &gt; Scripturae and toggle &quot;Download fonts when needed&quot;. The option seems not to be that easy to toggle on by default. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 10:56, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, great. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:09, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you very much! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 15:57, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::English WS seems to pull the font in from a repository. I've copied over the module ULS, css etc, would be good to know if it has made any difference. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:::{{blackletter|fraktur}} etc [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I just deactivated the &quot;download fonts when needed&quot; option for a second to see if it would work without it, and it still doesn't. [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 04:32, 19 Iunii 2026 (UTC)

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== De transclusione libri nondum bis perlecti ==

Salvete omnes, I finished the first proofreading pass of Michael Praetorius's [[Liber:PRAETORIUS,_Michael_-_Syntagma_musicum_1.djvu|''Syntagma musicum'' (volume 1)]]. Every page now has the &quot;Proofread&quot; status, except that a few are also &quot;Validated&quot;. I expect it will take quite a while before the whole book gets that second read, if it ever will.

My question: is it already acceptable to transclude the text into the main namespace at this stage, even though most pages are only single-proofread rather than validated? Or is there a convention on this Wikisource that a work should be fully validated before merging onto the mainspace?

Gratias vobis ago pro consiliis vestris. [[Usor:Sakvaka|Sakvaka]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Sakvaka|disputatio]]) 09:16, 25 Iulii 2026 (UTC)

:Of course, this is acceptable; the texts there are of very different quality. Besides, transclusion slightly increases the chances that someone will find it for re-examination. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:40, 25 Iulii 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you for confirmation! -- [[Usor:Sakvaka|Sakvaka]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Sakvaka|disputatio]]) 07:02, 26 Iulii 2026 (UTC)

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== Metamorphoses (Apuleius)/Psyche et Cupido ==
[[Usor:Saumache]] paginam “[[Metamorphoses (Apuleius)/Psyche et Cupido]]” [[Specialis:Diff/86153/253177|ad deletionem celerem proposuit]], sed scriptum mihi videtur ex alia editione ortum esse atque ideo non esse delendum. Pittacium idcirco e pagina detraxi. --[[Usor:Grufo|Grufo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Grufo|disputatio]]) 20:50, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC)

:Nam eaedem quidem editiones sunt, quibusdam minusculis in maiusculas versis litteris formaque apostropharum solum differunt. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 21:08, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC)

== Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default ==

Hi @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] and others, I noticed that [[:Formula:Littera s longa]] has been changed so that &lt;nowiki&gt;{{s}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; produces ſ rather than s by default. This is in contrast to for example English Wikipedia which allows it as a user option, but assumes it is &quot;s&quot; by default. 

For other formulae, eg {{um}}, {{us}}, {{que}}, etc these are &quot;off&quot; by default. Likewise {{ae}}, {{oe}} I believe are off by default currently.

There various ways that this can work, for example:
* we could provide a user switch for either state per symbol, etc (with JS, as per EN.WS)
* we can provide advice about applying fonts, etc, that can set ſ, ae/oe ligatures, etc, through css preferences
* CSS can specify some of this per book (not all ligatures, eg {{que}} can be applied through CSS, and it depends on installed fonts in some cases)
* we ''might'' be able to apply a default javascript switch behaviour per book rather than sitewide

I don't have a massive preference for s over ſ, or ae / oe over or æ / œ ; but we should I think at least allow users to easily switch, especially re ſ if it is the default.

Just throwing it out there for discussion, to see what the general feeling / preference would be. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:40, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC)

:I lacked the rights to have it be toggled on and off through a gadget, we should ask interface administrators to do it, that should be the best way about it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 22:45, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC)

== Portal pages ==

Hi all, 

I'd like to suggest we create a few &quot;Portal&quot; pages for some key topics, so we can detail what is good and why rather than just provide category pages. There's a need for a page for introductory Latin, for example, which could explain levels of suitability of texts. See also [[#Navigation and validation]] above

To do this, we need community consensus to add a namespace, and then, it is done through a request at Phabricator. The namespace would define what this group of pages were called eg [[Portus:Index]] and also the name of the &quot;Disputatio&quot; (discussion) pages. 

Please let me know if you agree with this proposal or not, so we can demonstrate consensus for the change to be made. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:50, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC)

:cc @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]]@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:12, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, sure (regardless, the Vicifons namespace could be used meanwhile to do some testing for the content). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 12:25, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC)</text>
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== Request for updating the text of the Clementine Bible ==

Two months ago, at [[Disputatio:Vulgata Clementina#The Clementine Vulgate Project dead?]] I noted that the links related to ''The Clementine Vulgate Project'', the main source used for the text of the [[Vulgata Clementina]], were dead.

Fortunately, the list of changes made since the import of on Wikisource can be found [https://web.archive.org/web/20240122025223/https://vulsearch.sourceforge.net/clemtext.rss here]. There is also [https://bitbucket.org/clementinetextproject/text/downloads/ a repository] (although I am not sure if it is up to date).

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:@[[Usor:Ser be etre shi|Ser be etre shi]] Are you able to help with this? Ping in case so. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:27, 3 Iulii 2025 (UTC)
:@[[Usor:Veverve|Veverve]] Just checking these look like quite a small number of changes, is that right? It may be easiest to do these manually. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:38, 24 Octobris 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|JimKillock}} well, my Latin is almost nonexistent, so I cannot do it myself sadly. [[Usor:Veverve|Veverve]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Veverve|disputatio]]) 18:21, 24 Octobris 2025 (UTC)

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== Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s) ==

On EN wikisource, they have a template &lt;nowiki&gt;{{longs}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to produce ''ſ'' on the transcription page, and by default, ''s'' on the ebook page. users on EN WS can toggle these on and off. 

In this book, [[:la:Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']], there are a number of unusual characters that could do with toggling: ''ſ (s); ß (ss); ẽ (en / em) ũ (un / um) æ (ae) ę (ae) õ (on / om) ã (an / am) œ (oe)''. ([[:formula:ls]] already exists here for ſ, and some other characters semi-implemented at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] but the toggling is not switched on.)

In order to implement this:

(1) What would LA WiCategoria:Formulae litterarumkisource need to enable for user toggling of special characters?

(2) Who would I contact (assuming this is an admin task)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:06, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)

:It looks like it would need this installing, as a start: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js|MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:13, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|OrbiliusMagister}} as the only active magister! --[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:16, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|SZC 03}} in case you have an opinion (you made changes at the De Pricipia transcription project which we could implement better with this toggle feature). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:31, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)
::I would like to point out that not all of the listed characters are of the same kind: 
::* ſ is a variant of s; 
::* ß, æ and œ are [[:w:en:Ligature (writing)|ligatures]] of ſs, ae and oe respectively ([[:w:en:E caudata|ę]] can represent both ae or oe); 
::* ã, ẽ, õ, ũ are used to indicate [[:w:en:Scribal abbreviation|abbreviations]].
::Personally I think it would be somewhat useful to implement the toggle feature only for æ and œ, since of all the ligatures they are the only ones that carry some meaning (that ae or oe in that word is a diphthong) and the only ones that easily show up in search results and correctly displayed in web-browsers.
::Note that both English and Italian wikisources in their transcription guidelines take in consideration the ability of both modern readers and search engines to correctly interpret the character shown (see [[:en:Wikisource:Style guide/Orthography]] and [[:it:Wikisource:Convenzioni di trascrizione]]). Though it would be useful to write rules specific to the Latin wikisource.
::I hope these considerations were of any help. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 07:58, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC)
::In regards to the [[Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']] it would be appropriate to encode the text in a way that we do not lose your work of accurately transcribing the above characters, while still showing to the end user a normalized form. My edit was trying to achieve this with the templates currently in wikisource.
::From a technical standpoint, it would be useful to have a general template not specific to any character that could be used both in ''ad hoc'' situations, and in creating other templates.
::Also if such a template is created for abbreviations it should behave differently from the long s and ligatures, since 1) the text displayed is context dependent, and 2) it is common use in diplomatic transcriptions to show the abbreviated characters in parentheses (so I were taught in paleography class). 
::To give an example of point 2 from the text ([[Pagina:Nicolaus_Machiavellus_De_Principe.pdf/69|page 45]], line 11):
::Original text: Iãq́ꝫ
::Diplomatic transcription: Ia(m)q(ue)
::Standard transcription: Iamque  
::I’m sorry for the lengthy comments. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:02, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC)
:::I agree something adhoc would be helpful. The template would need to specify 
:::* the text as-is and
:::* the modernised version
:::and hopefully there would be a system to pick up which to display.
:::In terms of the display: this could be the js system, perhaps adapted, that we have on en.ws, or possibly it could be an adjustment to the page templates set up, to allow two different books, or sets of pages, to be presented. This would have the advantage that exports would facilitate both (IDK but suspect that exports support the default rather than user choice). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 15:48, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC)
:::I have set out this information in a [[Usor:JimKillock/Orthography|table]] including information about dictionary lookups and likely search engine issues. In short, from a user perspective, all the characters can be problematic, but æ and œ work within Alpheios for dictionary lookups, so are a bit more tolerable than the others from a default perspective. However I think it is useful tobe able to see and use the originals for some people, eg those practicing reading Renaissance scans etc; or researchers or academics looking to use source texts. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:09, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|Alex brollo}}, {{ping|VIGNERON}}, {{ping|Candalua}} in case you can help. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:38, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)
::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] Interesting question. I'll take a look to the ensource template to understand how it works (I hope it is not based on javascript). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 06:18, 1 Maii 2025 (UTC)
:::I’m afraid it is based on javascript: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]]
:::To see the button you have to enable the [[:en:Help:Gadget-Visibility|Visibility gadget]]. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:12, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] checking in whether we can implement this, or find another solution. I am holding off further changes until I know how to proceed - but I am sure there should be a way to do this! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:40, 19 Maii 2025 (UTC)
:::Noting this question comes up again at [[:Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] (I have [[Disputatio Libri:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|left a note there]]). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:08, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
::::OK, I have developed templates as this is holding up other people's work. I have based each template on the existing [[:formula:ls]], and avoid duplicating those that already exist using the same method at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]]. Meantime if anyone has further thoughts about using Visibility Gadget or going another way, I would be very grateful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:02, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] I have made a very basic template for flexible character switching at [[Formula:Scr]]; this returns the first entry on the book page, and the second in main space, eg &lt;nowiki&gt;{{scr|qꝫ|que}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; would work the same as &lt;nowiki&gt;{{que}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;. 
:::::However there is advice on ENWS not to use characters but use HTML entities for CSS reasons, so it is probably better for users to use specific templates. For example, I also created &lt;nowiki&gt;{{po}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; which allows a user to decide what it might best represent, eg &lt;nowiki&gt;{{po|;}} or {{po|?}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;.
:::::In general, using set templates like &lt;nowiki&gt;{{que}}, {{em}}, {{um}}, {{etc}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; is much easier for proofing, so I think I will continue to add these where it seems useful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:29, 24 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
::::::Hi folks, so that you know, I have made something of a workaround to be able to enable these features, which works well enough for me. I will perhaps add some guidance somewhere. What I have done:
::::::# Installed the font Garamontio, as it has the qꝫ character, and all the possible ligatures
::::::# Created custom css to apply Garamontio to Wikisource as a whole;  at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.css]]; and
::::::# Created (vibecoded) custom javascript at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.js]]
::::::The second script looks for the various spans with the css style typographic-long-s, and replaces the characters as appropriate. This seems to work surprisingly well, Garamontio does all of the discretionary ligatures etc, and is a very well designed font (fork of EB Garamond, with some extra touches useful here). The issue is of course that this applies to the whole of Latin Wikisource all of the time. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:35, 25 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], reading this I wanted to tell you that you could apply styles to a index page, but I see you have already figured it out. Kudos on your progress. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 09:56, 9 Iulii 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Thanks @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]]; my list of scribal transformations has got quite long tho. And I need to check on the possible logic of it, some needs to hide and unhide, rather than search and replace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:27, 11 Iulii 2025 (UTC)

== We will be enabling the new Charts extension on your wiki soon! ==

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Hi all! We have good news to share regarding the ongoing problem with graphs and charts affecting all wikis that use them.

As you probably know, the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|old Graph extension]] was disabled in 2023 [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/EWL4AGBEZEDMNNFTM4FRD4MHOU3CVESO/|due to security reasons]]. We’ve worked in these two years to find a solution that could replace the old extension, and provide a safer and better solution to users who wanted to showcase graphs and charts in their articles. We therefore developed the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Charts extension]], which will be replacing the old Graph extension and potentially also the [[:mw:Extension:EasyTimeline|EasyTimeline extension]].

After successfully deploying the extension on Italian, Swedish, and Hebrew Wikipedia, as well as on MediaWiki.org, as part of a pilot phase, we are now happy to announce that we are moving forward with the next phase of deployment, which will also include your wiki.

The deployment will happen in batches, and will start from '''May 6'''. Please, consult [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|our page on MediaWiki.org]] to discover when the new Charts extension will be deployed on your wiki. You can also [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|consult the documentation]] about the extension on MediaWiki.org.

If you have questions, need clarifications, or just want to express your opinion about it, please refer to the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension_talk:Chart/Project|project’s talk page on Mediawiki.org]], or ping me directly under this thread. If you encounter issues using Charts once it gets enabled on your wiki, please report it on the [[:mw:Extension_talk:Chart/Project|talk page]] or at [[phab:tag/charts|Phabricator]].

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== &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;Call for Candidates for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C)&lt;/span&gt; ==

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You may now [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025/Candidates|submit your candidacy to serve on the U4C]] through 29 May 2025 at 12:00 UTC. Information about [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025|eligibility, process, and the timeline are on Meta-wiki]]. Voting on candidates will open on 1 June 2025 and run for two weeks, closing on 15 June 2025 at 12:00 UTC.

If you have any questions, you can ask on [[m:Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025|the discussion page for the election]]. -- in cooperation with the U4C, &lt;/div&gt;&lt;section end=&quot;announcement-content&quot; /&gt;
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== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 Maii 2025 (UTC)
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== &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions&lt;/span&gt; ==

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
* July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5]
* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

Board Liaison to the Elections Committee

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== Administrator backlog? ==

Hi there,

I am noticing a lot of pages that say that the current version is not checked; and versions I have amended are not (apparently) displayed because they need approval. Am I right in assuming this is due to a lack of (active) administrator time? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:53, 30 Maii 2025 (UTC)

:Relatedly @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] / @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] / other admins, [[Colloquia familiaria]] has an old index page and other old sub pages which could do with changes being approved. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:58, 12 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
::Ping on this, some of the sub pages are quite broken. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:42, 28 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:I have tried to fix the lack of text in ePub export for [[Noctes Atticae]].
:Unfortunately, it seems that all my submissions require approval (last approval seems to have taken place more than five years ago).
:Is there any way to have &lt;code&gt;class=&quot;ws-export&quot;&lt;/code&gt; to the second &lt;code&gt;&amp;lt;table&amp;gt;&lt;/code&gt; from [[Noctes Atticae]]?
:Many thanks for your help, [[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 19:09, 15 Augusti 2025 (UTC)
::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] Checking you know this is working now [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:21, 18 Augusti 2026 (UTC)

== Vote now in the 2025 U4C Election ==

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Eligible voters are asked to participate in the 2025 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee]] election. More information–including an eligibility check, voting process information, candidate information, and a link to the vote–are available on Meta at the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Election/2025|2025 Election information page]]. The vote closes on 17 June 2025 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1750161600 12:00 UTC].

Please vote if your account is eligible. Results will be available by 1 July 2025. -- In cooperation with the U4C, [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 23:01, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) &lt;/div&gt;
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== Mnemonics Book in Latin ==

Dear all,

Over the past month, with the help of others, I’ve been compiling a list of older and often overlooked books on mnemonic techniques available on [[:en:Portal:Mnemonics|Wikisource English]]. Many of these works—some dating back decades or even centuries—offer fascinating insights into how memory has been understood, trained, and improved across different cultures and time periods.

I've recently added a new section to the portal: &quot;Multilingual Works on Mnemonic Techniques.&quot; This is in part because several of the English-language texts reference related works in other languages, particularly Latin.

Unfortunately, many of these referenced works are written in Classical Latin, and my ability to work with them is quite limited—I’ve done what I can, but they remain largely inaccessible to me.

If anyone has expertise in Classical Latin and might be willing to help with these texts, your assistance would be greatly appreciated.

* ''[[:la:Foenix|Foenix]] by [[w:en:Peter of Ravenna|Peter of Ravenna]]'' (1491)
* ''[[:la:Congestorium Artificiose Memorie|Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]'' by Johann Horst von Romberch (1533)

[[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032259.jpg|150px]][[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032269.jpg|150px]]

Here is a discussion form on it 

https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/johannes-romberchs-congestorium-artificiose-memorie/30174

Warm regards [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 23:15, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC)

:Hi there, I could help proofing texts you have prepared perhaps? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:57, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:: Thanks for offering—I’d really appreciate your help with proofreading.
:: We have two books. Which one would you like to start with?
::*[[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]]
::*[[Liber:Congestorium artificiose memorie ... - V.P.F. Joa(n)nis Romberch de Kyrspe. Regularis obseruantie predicatorie- (IA hin-wel-all-00002875-001).pdf]]
::[[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 21:49, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:::I can do the pages you have put into the first, as a start for you. BTW the transcribed text does not always look like it originated from the source. It is very correct, but some has different orthography and missed certain parts. That is fine of course if we are correcting to the original. (PS: you might want to create a user account so that you can be notified of replies, hide your IP address, etc). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:57, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:::I had a go at the first page or two; some of the orthography was removed while other parts were kept. I kept all of it as a first go. See the discussion above about how we treat orthography, hopefully we can address this with templates. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:11, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
::::I'm using Google OCR and some AI tools to pull out text and sometimes translate it into English so I can understand it. If anyone could help me proofread or check it, I’d be super grateful! [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 00:50, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:::::I have added all the templates we need for the special characters / orthography, I will start doing the pages with those. The end result will be that on the main space ebook pages, the chars will toggle on and off, at least once that is properly implemented. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:25, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
::::::Noted, sounds good. I’ll try adding to the other pages next time. [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 22:10, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC)

== &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 - Call for Candidates&lt;/span&gt; ==

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Hello all,

The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025|call for candidates for the 2025 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees selection is now open]] from June 17, 2025 – July 2, 2025 at 11:59 UTC [1]. The Board of Trustees oversees the Wikimedia Foundation's work, and each Trustee serves a three-year term [2]. This is a volunteer position.

This year, the Wikimedia community will vote in late August through September 2025 to fill two (2) seats on the Foundation Board. Could you – or someone you know – be a good fit to join the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees? [3]

Learn more about what it takes to stand for these leadership positions and how to submit your candidacy on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Candidate application|this Meta-wiki page]] or encourage someone else to run in this year's election.

Best regards,

Abhishek Suryawanshi&lt;br /&gt;
Chair of the Elections Committee

On behalf of the Elections Committee and Governance Committee

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Call_for_candidates

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal:Bylaws#(B)_Term.

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== [[De Principe]] ==

Si vis, quaeso, me adiuva ut liber novus ''[[De Principe]]'' correctus sit et erroribus liber. Nuper completus, ab aliquo alio corrigendus est. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:14, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC)

== &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;Sister Projects Task Force reviews Wikispore and Wikinews&lt;/span&gt; ==

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Dear Wikimedia Community,

The [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee|Community Affairs Committee (CAC)]]  of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees assigned [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Sister Projects Task Force|the Sister Projects Task Force (SPTF)]] to update and implement a procedure for assessing the lifecycle of Sister Projects – wiki [[m:Wikimedia projects|projects supported by Wikimedia Foundation (WMF)]].

A vision of relevant, accessible, and impactful free knowledge has always guided the Wikimedia Movement. As the ecosystem of Wikimedia projects continues to evolve, it is crucial that we periodically review existing projects to ensure they still align with our goals and community capacity.

Despite their noble intent, some projects may no longer effectively serve their original purpose. '''Reviewing such projects is not about giving up – it's about responsible stewardship of shared resources'''. Volunteer time, staff support, infrastructure, and community attention are finite, and the non-technical costs tend to grow significantly as our ecosystem has entered a different age of the internet than the one we were founded in. Supporting inactive projects or projects that didn't meet our ambitions can unintentionally divert these resources from areas with more potential impact.

Moreover, maintaining projects that no longer reflect the quality and reliability of the Wikimedia name stands for, involves a reputational risk. An abandoned or less reliable project affects trust in the Wikimedia movement.

Lastly, '''failing to sunset or reimagine projects that are no longer working can make it much harder to start new ones'''. When the community feels bound to every past decision – no matter how outdated – we risk stagnation. A healthy ecosystem must allow for evolution, adaptation, and, when necessary, letting go. If we create the expectation that every project must exist indefinitely, we limit our ability to experiment and innovate.

Because of this, SPTF reviewed two requests concerning the lifecycle of the Sister Projects to work through and demonstrate the review process. We chose Wikispore as a case study for a possible new Sister Project opening and Wikinews as a case study for a review of an existing project. Preliminary findings were discussed with the CAC, and a community consultation on both proposals was recommended.

=== Wikispore ===

The [[m:Wikispore|application to consider Wikispore]] was submitted in 2019. SPTF decided to review this request in more depth because rather than being concentrated on a specific topic, as most of the proposals for the new Sister Projects are, Wikispore has the potential to nurture multiple start-up Sister Projects.

After careful consideration, the SPTF has decided '''not to recommend''' Wikispore as a Wikimedia Sister Project. Considering the current activity level, the current arrangement allows '''better flexibility''' and experimentation while WMF provides core infrastructural support. 

We acknowledge the initiative's potential and seek community input on what would constitute a sufficient level of activity and engagement to reconsider its status in the future.

As part of the process, we shared the decision with the Wikispore community and invited one of its leaders, Pharos, to an SPTF meeting.

Currently, we especially invite feedback on measurable criteria indicating the project's readiness, such as contributor numbers, content volume, and sustained community support. This would clarify the criteria sufficient for opening a new Sister Project, including possible future Wikispore re-application. However, the numbers will always be a guide because any number can be gamed.

=== Wikinews ===

We chose to review Wikinews among existing Sister Projects because it is the one for which we have observed the highest level of concern in multiple ways.

Since the SPTF was convened in 2023, its members have asked for the community's opinions during conferences and community calls about Sister Projects that did not fulfil their promise in the Wikimedia movement.[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WCNA_2024._Sister_Projects_-_opening%3F_closing%3F_merging%3F_splitting%3F.pdf &lt;nowiki&gt;[1]&lt;/nowiki&gt;][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Sister_Projects_Task_Force#Wikimania_2023_session_%22Sister_Projects:_past,_present_and_the_glorious_future%22 &lt;nowiki&gt;[2]&lt;/nowiki&gt;][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F &lt;nowiki&gt;[3]&lt;/nowiki&gt;] Wikinews was the leading candidate for an evaluation because people from multiple language communities proposed it. Additionally, by most measures, it is the least active Sister Project, with the greatest drop in activity over the years.

While the Language Committee routinely opens and closes language versions of the Sister Projects in small languages, there has never been a valid proposal to close Wikipedia in major languages or any project in English. This is not true for Wikinews, where there was a proposal to close English Wikinews, which gained some traction but did not result in any action[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_English_Wikinews &lt;nowiki&gt;[4]&lt;/nowiki&gt;][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F &lt;nowiki&gt;[5]&lt;/nowiki&gt;, see section 5] as well as a draft proposal to close all languages of Wikinews[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_closing_projects/Archive_2#Close_Wikinews_completely,_all_languages? &lt;nowiki&gt;[6]&lt;/nowiki&gt;].

[[:c:File:Sister Projects Taskforce Wikinews review 2024.pdf|Initial metrics]] compiled by WMF staff also support the community's concerns about Wikinews.

Based on this report, SPTF recommends a community reevaluation of Wikinews. We conclude that its current structure and activity levels are the lowest among the existing sister projects. SPTF also recommends pausing the opening of new language editions while the consultation runs.

SPTF brings this analysis to a discussion and welcomes discussions of alternative outcomes, including potential restructuring efforts or integration with other Wikimedia initiatives.

'''Options''' mentioned so far (which might be applied to just low-activity languages or all languages) include but are not limited to:
*Restructure how Wikinews works and is linked to other current events efforts on the projects,
*Merge the content of Wikinews into the relevant language Wikipedias, possibly in a new namespace,
*Merge content into compatibly licensed external projects,
*Archive Wikinews projects.
Your insights and perspectives are invaluable in shaping the future of these projects. We encourage all interested community members to share their thoughts on the relevant discussion pages or through other designated feedback channels.

=== Feedback and next steps ===

We'd be grateful if you want to take part in a conversation on the future of these projects and the review process. We are setting up two different project pages: [[m:Public consultation about Wikispore|Public consultation about Wikispore]] and [[m:Public consultation about Wikinews|Public consultation about Wikinews]]. Please participate between 27 June 2025 and 27 July 2025, after which we will summarize the discussion to move forward. You can write in your own language.

I will also host a community conversation 16th July Wednesday 11.00 UTC and 17th July Thursday 17.00 UTC (call links to follow shortly) and will be around at Wikimania for more discussions. 
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== Latin incunabula and other early books ==

Expanding a bit on what I mentioned above, re character toggling, and also working on the books [[Foenix]] and [[Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae]]
* the Transkribus Latin Incunabula scan does a great job on the heavy gothic style print
* I will see how it does with more Garamond-style texts, in case it works with these
* I have developed a fairly full set of templates for scribal characters, see [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]]
* I am thinking about using a bot to wholesale search and replace long s, and other scribal characters mapped there
Between these things, the work to transcribe and correct early printed Latin books should be very much reduced. If anyone feels like helping test this out, do give me shout. Meantime I will run tests on Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae to check how well the bot system works. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:50, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC)

:The folks at Wikisource helped create a JS solution for this, see [[Usor:JimKillock/incunabula.js]]. The script does a search and replace for what is needed, on the '''first save of a new book page'''; these are the settings for the Incunabula style section of [[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|this scan, p 52 onwards]]  for [[Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]. It seems to work very well and is extremely labour saving! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 22:59, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC)

== Navigation and validation ==

Hi there, 

I would like to do some work on navigation, to provide some &quot;portal&quot; pages similar to EN Wikisource. For example, this would help with learner texts a lot 9I often get asked how to find these texts, I point to the category pages, but these are very basic.

I would also like to know what we should do about page validation. Some really necessary changes are currently languishing in the backlog. This is an admin only task: should we asking for more administrators, or is this something existing admins here can take on? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 14:08, 13 Iulii 2025 (UTC)
:Hi {{U|JimKillock}} good idea, don't hesitate to start and/or ask for help. That said, I'm not sure to see why this is an admin task (even if, yes, the underlying point is true, we need more admins). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:31, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think the Portal namespace and some modules need setting up which require admin permissions, I will dig a bit further and come back to you. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

== Wikidata Item and Property labels soon displayed in Wiki Watchlist/Recent Changes ==

''(Apologies for posting in English, you can help by translating into your language)''

Hello everyone, the [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects]] team is excited to announce an upcoming change in how Wikidata edit changelogs are displayed in your [[Special:Watchlist|Watchlists]] and [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]] lists. If an edit is made on Wikidata that affects a page in another Wikimedia Project, the changelog will contain some information about the nature of the edit. This can include a QID (or Q-number), a PID (or P-number) and a value (which can be text, numbers, dates, or also QID or PID’s). Confused by these terms? See the [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Glossary|Wikidata:Glossary]] for further explanations.

The upcoming change is scheduled for '''17.07.2025''', between '''1300 - 1500 UTC'''.
The change will display the label (item name) alongside any QID or PIDs, as seen in the image below:
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These changes will only be visible if you have Wikidata edits enabled in your User Preferences for Watchlists and Recent Changes, or have the active filter ‘Wikidata edits’ checkbox toggled on, directly on the Watchlist and Recent Changes pages.

Your bot and gadget may be affected! There are thousands of bots, gadgets and user-scripts and whilst we have researched potential effects to many of them, we cannot guarantee there won’t be some that are broken or affected by this change.

Further information and context about this change, including how your bot may be affected can be found on this [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|project task page]]. We welcome your questions and feedback, please write to us on this dedicated [[m:Talk:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Talk page]].

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== &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;  Upcoming Deployment of the CampaignEvents Extension&lt;/span&gt; ==

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Hello everyone,  

''(Apologies for posting in English if English is not your first language. Please help translate to your language.)''

The Campaigns Product Team is planning a global deployment of the '''[[:mw:Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]]''' to all Wikisource, including this Wikisource, during the '''week of August 25th'''.

This extension is designed to help organizers plan and manage events, WikiProjects, and other on-wiki collaborations - and to make these efforts more discoverable.

The three main features of this extension are:

* '''[[:m:Event_Center/Registration|Event Registration]]''': A simple way to sign up for events on the wiki.
*  '''[[:m:CampaignEvents/Collaboration_list|Collaboration List]]''': A global list of events and a local list of WikiProjects, accessible at '''[[:m:Special:AllEvents|Special:AllEvents]]'''.
*  '''[[:m:Campaigns/Foundation_Product_Team/Invitation_list|Invitation Lists]]''': A tool to help organizers find editors who might want to join, based on their past contributions.

'''Note''': The extension comes with a new user right called '''&quot;Event Organizer&quot;''', which will be managed by administrators on this Wikisource. Organizer tools like Event Registration and Invitation Lists will only work if someone is granted this right. The Collaboration List is available to everyone immediately after deployment.

The extension is already live on several wikis, including '''all Wikipedia, Meta, Wikidata''', and more ( [[m:CampaignEvents/Deployment_status#Current_Deployment_Status_for_CampaignEvents_extension| See the full deployment list]])

If you have any questions, concerns, or feedback, please feel free to share them on the [[m:Talk:CampaignEvents| extension talkpage]]. We’d love to hear from you before the rollout.

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== &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;Temporary accounts will be rolled out soon&lt;/span&gt; ==

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Hello, we are the Wikimedia Foundation [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity|Product Safety and Integrity]] team. We would like to announce that '''we plan to enable [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] for this wiki in the week of September 1'''.

Temporary accounts are successfully live on 30 wikis, including many large ones like German, Japanese, and French. The change they bring is especially relevant to logged-out editors, who this feature is designed to protect. But it is also relevant to community members like mentors, patrollers, and admins – anyone who reverts edits, blocks users, or otherwise interacts with logged-out editors as part of keeping the wikis safe and accurate. 

'''Why we are building temporary accounts'''

Our wikis should be safer to edit by default for logged-out editors. Temporary accounts allow people to continue editing the wikis without creating an account, while avoiding publicly tying their edits to their IP address. We believe this is in the best interest of our logged-out editors, who make valuable contributions to the wikis and who may later create accounts and grow our community of editors, admins, and other roles. Even though the wikis do warn logged-out editors that their IP address will be associated with their edit, many people may not understand what an IP address is, or that it could be used to connect them to other information about them in ways they might not expect. 

Additionally, our moderation software and tools rely too heavily on network origin (IP addresses) to identify users and patterns of activity, especially as IP addresses themselves are becoming less stable as identifiers. Temporary accounts allow for more precise interactions with logged-out editors, including more precise blocks, and can help limit how often we unintentionally end up blocking good-faith users who use the same IP addresses as bad-faith users.

'''How temporary accounts work'''
[[File:Temporary account banner and empty talk page.png|thumb]]
Any time a logged-out user publishes an edit on this wiki, a cookie will be set in this user's browser, and a temporary account tied with this cookie will be automatically created. This account's name will follow the pattern: &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;~2025-12345-67&lt;/code&gt; (a tilde, current year, a number). On pages like Recent Changes or page history, this name will be displayed. The cookie will expire 90 days after its creation. As long as it exists, all edits made from this device will be attributed to this temporary account. It will be the same account even if the IP address changes, unless the user clears their cookies or uses a different device or web browser. A record of the IP address used at the time of each edit will be stored for 90 days after the edit. However, only some logged-in users will be able to see it.

'''What does this mean for different groups of users?'''

'''For logged-out editors'''

* This increases privacy: currently, if you do not use a registered account to edit, then everybody can see the IP address for the edits you made, even after 90 days. That will no longer be possible on this wiki.
* If you use a temporary account to edit from different locations in the last 90 days (for example at home and at a coffee shop), the edit history and the IP addresses for all those locations will now be recorded together, for the same temporary account. Users who [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Access_to_temporary_account_IP_addresses|meet the relevant requirements]] will be able to view this data. If this creates any personal security concerns for you, please contact talktohumanrights at wikimedia.org for advice.

'''For community members interacting with logged-out editors'''

* A temporary account is uniquely linked to a device. In comparison, an IP address can be shared with different devices and people (for example, different people at school or at work might have the same IP address).
* Compared to the current situation, it will be safer to assume that a temporary user's talk page belongs to only one person, and messages left there will be read by them. As you can see in the screenshot, temporary account users will receive notifications. It will also be possible to thank them for their edits, ping them in discussions, and invite them to get more involved in the community.

'''For users who use IP address data to moderate and maintain the wiki'''

* '''For patrollers''' who track persistent abusers, investigate violations of policies, etc.: Users who [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Access_to_temporary_account_IP_addresses|meet the requirements]] will be able to reveal temporary users' IP addresses and all contributions made by temporary accounts from a specific IP address or range ([[Special:IPContributions]]). They will also have access to useful information about the IP addresses thanks to the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/IP Info|IP Info]] feature. Many other pieces of software have been built or adjusted to work with temporary accounts, including AbuseFilter, global blocks, Global User Contributions, and more. (For information for volunteer developers on how to update the code of your tools – see the last part of the message.)
* '''For admins blocking logged-out editors''':
** It will be possible to block many abusers by just blocking their temporary accounts. A blocked person won't be able to create new temporary accounts quickly if the admin selects the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Autoblock|autoblock]] option.
** It will still be possible to block an IP address or IP range.
* Temporary accounts will not be retroactively applied to contributions made before the deployment. On Special:Contributions, you will be able to see existing IP user contributions, but not new contributions made by temporary accounts on that IP address. Instead, you should use Special:IPContributions for this.

'''Our requests for you, and next steps'''

* If you know of any tools, bots, gadgets etc. using data about IP addresses or being available for logged-out users, you may want to test if they work on [[testwiki:Main_Page|testwiki]] or [[test2wiki:Main_Page|test2wiki]]. If you are a volunteer developer, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers|read our documentation for developers]], and in particular, the section on [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers#How should I update my code?|how your code might need to be updated]].
* If you want to test the temporary account experience, for example just to check what it feels like, go to testwiki or test2wiki and edit without logging in.
* Tell us if you know of any difficulties that need to be addressed. We will try to help, and if we are not able, we will consider the available options.
* Look at our [[m:Meta:Babel#Temporary_Accounts:_access_to_IP_addresses_and_next_steps|previous message]] about requirements for users without extended rights who may need access to IP addresses.

To learn more about the project, check out [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/FAQ|our FAQ]] – you will find many useful answers there. You may also [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/Updates|look at the updates]] (we have just posted one) and [[mw:Newsletter:Product Safety and Integrity|subscribe to our new newsletter]]. If you'd like to talk to me (Szymon) off-wiki, you will find me on Discord and Telegram. Thank you!&lt;section end=&quot;body&quot; /&gt;
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== All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae ==

I was looking for templates/formulae by looking at &lt;nowiki&gt;[[Categoria:Formulae]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;

All pages in [[Liber:Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679.djvu]] are in &lt;nowiki&gt;[[Categoria:Formulae]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;

Many (all?) pages in [[Liber:Gallia Christiana, 1715, T1.djvu]] are in &lt;nowiki&gt;[[Categoria:Formulae]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;, like article [[Gallia Christiana 1715 01/Epistola2]]

These all use [[Formula:Sidenotes begin]]. There is one &quot;[https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&amp;oldid=79709&amp;diff=cur pending change]&quot; on this template. But that change puts the category outside the noinclude.
::&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;
::&lt;nowiki&gt;[[Categoria:Formulae]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;

Please either reject the change or move the categoria line. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 04:17, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC)

:Hi @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], I don't think anyone from the admins is monitoring or actioning pending changes currently. (see discussions re admin queues above.) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 05:29, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|Shenme}} {{done}} I excluded the categories. {{ping|JimKillock}} no blame but be careful next time, categories should always be excluded. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:28, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|VIGNERON}} It wasn't @JimKillock who made [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=79709 the problematic change], but someone else [[Usor:Ceciliawolf]]. I noticed the problem, he included the problem a list that got your attention. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 02:46, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Shenme}} yes, but [[Special:Diff/236794]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 06:57, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

== Request for admin status ==

Hi all, given that we have quite a lot of admin requests (mostly relating to &quot;pending&quot; changes), I would like to request administrator status so that some of these can be cleared. If anyone else wants to step up to help out, that would also be welcome. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:23, 1 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

:Ping to @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], @[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]]:, @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]]:, @[[Usor:Candalua|Candalua]]:  in case you feel able to support my request. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:57, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::Hi {{U|JimKillock}},
::I apparently missed it, where do we have « a lot of admin requests » ?
::That said, one more admin is always good, so create the request and I'll support it.
::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:34, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::Hi @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]], 
:::Thank you! On the admin requests, on this page, here are these
:::* [[#All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae]]
:::* [[#It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace]] (which you have replied to)
:::* [[#Navigation and validation]]
:::* [[#Administrator backlog?]]
:::* [[#Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s)]] (altho this has been worked around and may not be needed)
:::Most of these relate to the ''Pending changes'' backlog in various ways; two are requests for new features / modules to be ported across. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks, I see. It doesn't look like a lot to me, I'll try to deal with it today. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:27, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thank you @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] :) You could also take a look at the pending changes on [[Formula:Pagina_prima/Novae_Aetatis]] and [[Moriae encomium]]. The really big job is going through [[Specialis:PendingChanges|pending changes]] altogether - I understand there is a five year backlog. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:36, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::::I see... I had a quick look and all changes seem good. Do we even need this extension on Wikisource? Also, if we keep it, I guess we need more reviewers rather than admins (more admins would be useful too, but that's a separate point). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 10:35, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::Of course, the request needs to be supported; without active administrators it is very inconvenient. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:21, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::What do you need us to do? BTW, it would be great to know why edits require administrator approvals. Sorry, but I‘m afraid this makes contributing almost pointless. Many thanks for your help, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 14:15, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::So there are two reasons it would be helpful for me to be an admin; one is if we carry on with the approval system (it looks like we will not) and the other is around updating or adding certain components, modules for example. There may be other tasks I am not aware of that I could help with, but these are the ones I know about. Implementing Portal pages for example needs some work by an admin AIUI.
:::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] your question re edits needing approval is [[#Do_we_need_to_approve_changes_to_pages|addressed below, here]]. 
:::In terms of what you / others need to do, it seems that if there is a consensus to allow me administrator permissions, then a bueaucrat user would implement it (I mistakenly opening a request at meta, and they referred me back here); so we just need to have your views, yes, no, maybe, etc. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:01, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::The page [[Vicifons:Magistratus]], intended for promotion, seems to be protected; I couldn't edit it (''petitio grapheocrat'''ae''''') and add a category ([[:Categoria:Usores]]). [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:23, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, it seems editable now so I [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Petitio_magistratus|added my request there]], if anyone wants to support it. Regarding ''grapheocrates -ae'', how is this declined? Is it otherwise treated as a masculine first declension? Thinking it ought to be added to Wiktionary as it is missing from there. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:00, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::::This is [https://archive.org/details/calepinusnovus2002/calepinusnovus2002-french-latin/page/n23/mode/1up?q=grapheocrates from Licoppe and Eichenseer]. Yes, this can be added to Wiktionary, I have no experience editing there. Thanks for the corrections, today the system let me in, but yesterday for some unknown reason it didn’t let me in. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:53, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you and no problem. I can add to Wiktionary I hope; is the plural therefore ''grapheocratae''; and is the singular ''grapheocrates'' or ''grapheocrata''? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:14, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Yes, of course. They took the Modern Greek word γραφειοκράτης. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:41, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, after a bit of struggle that is at [[:en:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] and  [[:la:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:43, 7 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

== It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace ==

It would require someone with interface admin status to create [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index data config.json]] to replace the current index form parameters ([[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index attributes|very old system]]) with special care to not mass delete information by unadvertedly changing some parameter's name. [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config.json Example from the English Wikisource]. If someone wants to help, please contact me. Regards! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 02:10, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

:Hi @[[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]], potentially - if I have admin status :) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:54, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|Ignacio Rodríguez}} I did a test (by copy-pasting the English page), it works, so no need to be interface admin, being admin is enough.
::I only half understand that paramater page, could you give me the actual content expected ?
::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:38, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't remember all the details but I worked on that page in the Spanish Wikisource almost a decade ago. I'll make a mockup in the talk page, but I can't promise to get all the Latin words right. For ease, parameter names and help tooltips will be in English internally, but they will show in Latin in the form. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::This was added and it now works perfectly. Thanks! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:25, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

== Do we need to approve changes to pages ==

Hi all,

Moving the discussion regarding the backlog at [[Specialis:PendingChanges]]: @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] asks whether we need to have this feature. I suspect it was switched on because of spam, vandalism, or some other similar issue. Without it we might need to be keeping an eye on recent changes. I am not sure how the proteccted changes permissions works, or whether permissions to make approvals to changes can be delegated more widely. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

:Changes to pages affecting project *function* must be controlled. But it seems that Pending Changes doesn't actually stop changes to something like a template/formula from having effect? See my report about &lt;nowiki&gt;Formula:Sidenotes begin&lt;/nowiki&gt; above.
:And checking a couple of the other initial items in [[Specialis:PendingChanges]], it seems that all pending changes are actually immediately applied to active, visible pages.
:So Pending Changes &lt;u&gt;does not prevent damage&lt;/u&gt; to the project. It is &lt;u&gt;merely a tracking and notification method?&lt;/u&gt;
:That can be useful, but requires a set of people to be change reviewers. And changes to subject matter would seem to require reviewers knowledgeable about the subject? 
:And when changes affect *function*, like templates, who can review and approve those? I'd think only admins.
:The link to monitoring Recent Changes is undeniable. I monitor Recent Changes often at Spanish Wikisource because I've seen the random damage people can do. That is the only way to react quickly to damage. (?) But then that assumes people are checking lists frequently, at least daily. 
:Neither Pending Changes or monitoring Recent Changes prevent damage. They can be only part of a solution to damage. I don't know what to think about Pending Changes ''in isolation''. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 03:48, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} I've got mainly two points :
::* vandlism is low to inexistant on la.ws (and it's already low on most Wikisources), making this extension useless and even problematic. Because it doesn't prevent changes but it prevents them to be effective.
::** Apparently the reason to install is [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_VII#protection_of_completed_works_-_Flagged_Revisions_as_an_alternative?]]
::* this extension is actually caleld [[mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs]] and it's deprecated for years (see [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_XI#Futrue_of_FlaggedRevs_(Pending_Changes)_extension]] or the warning on the extension itself « Flagged Revisions is complex, poorly documented, very clunky, and not recommended for production use »). Also, people on Wikisource don't seem to really master or even using it (including the reviewers rights). Maybe it's aan opportunity to list exactly what we need and find a new extension that fit these needs.
::In the end, I see a lot of cons and only a few pros...
::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:35, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:I haven't seen any vandalism here in years. But if you fix the errors, the &quot;Pending Changes&quot; status means that the fixes will only be visible to registered users. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:10, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} many thanks for your replies. I must admit that I’m an occasional Wikisource (or even Wikipedia contributor). I essentially (or exclusively) contribute corrections.
:Some days ago, I wanted to download an ePub file for the [[Noctes Atticae]] (to do some regexp searches), but the export was wrong. I tried to modify the code (which I have done successfully for the Greek Wikisource many times) and I found out that I needed a ''nihil obstat'' (I’m afraid this would be way to name it).
:Of course, I’m the least interested in vandalism (either contributing it myself, or being any collaborative project being infested/polluted by it). But I think there should be a way of distinguishing between vandalism and non-hardcore (or occasional) contributors.
:I don’t know any perfect system, but it should be worth considering a mixed approach. Approval could be required for: already flagged users (for vandalism) and recent users (how about a five-year publishing embargo?).
:Only to mention a case, my [https://el.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Συμπόσιον_(Πλάτων)&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=49677 first contribution to the Greek Wiksource] was in 2012. I don’t know for how long I have been registered in Wikimedia (I guess this was before 2010).
:This isn’t about myself, the issue here is that Wikisource needs contributions to even exist (not to mention for its growth). If no regular user is allowed to contribute without approval, cooperation is basically non-existing.
:Even with approval, the reply times are incredibly slow (because of the system). It is not that attention spans are getting shorter, time is the most scarce resource we all are (and I don’t have weeks or months to see whether I’m allowed to have [[Noctes Atticae]] as ePub).
:Sorry, the sentence in parentheses isn’t a complaint. Please, do as you please, but my contribution is: consider that you might be making contributions way harder, project growth way slower and administrators’ roles way more complicated (probably, than they could and should be).
:Many thanks for your help and your project, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 17:15, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think there is consensus we can switch this off. Let me know if I can help in any way if you think it's time to switch it off. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:25, 4 Octobris 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks for the reminder and agreed for removal, so I created a task on Phabricator here : [[Phab:T406424]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:42, 5 Octobris 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks for filing this @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] , the Wikimedia tech team seem to have finished their work on this now! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:16, 18 Octobris 2025 (UTC)

== Index page error &quot;Error: Invalid interval&quot; ==

I am getting an error: at [[:Liber:Nos in schola latine loquimur - Ars latine loquendi.pdf]] &quot;Error: Invalid interval&quot; for the paginae listing; even when set to &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;pagelist 1=1 /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;. Any clues appreciated! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:48, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

:This might be the infamous &quot;0x0 bug&quot; that has plagued Wikisource for two? three? years. Normally it resolves doing a purge in both the file page in Commons and in the local Wikisource. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 19:34, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks, that seems to b working now. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:53, 6 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

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Quaeso ut videatis [[:en:Author talk:Archibald Pitcairne|Author talk:Archibald Pitcairne]] pro indicio operum Archibaldi Pitcarnii auctoris. Haec opera olim sub pagina Anglica erant posita, sed propter Latinam linguam sublata sunt. Possumusne paginam [[Scriptor:Archibaldus Pitcarnius]](?) creare et haec ibi recensere? [[Specialis:Conlationes/&amp;#126;2025-27371-40|&amp;#126;2025-27371-40]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:&amp;#126;2025-27371-40|talk]]) 20:45, 19 Octobris 2025 (UTC)

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::Gratias ago! Nota quaeso quod, ubi pagina creata erit, eam etiam in Vicidata addendam esse, sicut Anglica pagina [[:en:Author:Archibald Pitcairne]]. --[[Specialis:Conlationes/&amp;#126;2025-27371-40|&amp;#126;2025-27371-40]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:&amp;#126;2025-27371-40|talk]]) 08:50, 20 Octobris 2025 (UTC)
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Hi there, @[[Usor:Laura1822|Laura1822]] is transcribing [[Liber:Missale Romanum 1862.djvu]], and needs the characters ℣ and ℟ , and ✠ to display for users, when these are in mainspace. We think it may be necessary to use a special / embedded font to do this, as I think was meant for &lt;nowiki&gt;{{blackletter}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; ({{blackletter|exempli gratia}}; see [[Formula:Blackletter/styles.css]], although this does not seem to be calling a font at the moment). Does anyone have any advice about how we would add a webfont to LAWS's CSS, particularly for ℣ and ℟ ; or if there is a way to use an existing webfont with these characters that might be available to us? (Or if there is some other workable solution). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:58, 24 Octobris 2025 (UTC)

== Vandalismus ==

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== Ad magistratus ==

Magistratus venerabiles, potestisne in [[MediaWiki:Edittools|capsam insertionis]] addere haec: &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;poem&gt;+&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; et &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Versus|+}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;? — Dear admins, сan you add to the [[MediaWiki:Edittools|quick insert toolbar]] &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;poem&gt;+&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; et &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Versus|+}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;? [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 07:09, 3 Februarii 2026 (UTC)

:@[[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]]: done, sorry for the delay. If you need anything else, please ping me, as I don't normally follow the Scriptorium. [[Usor:Candalua|Candalua]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Candalua|disputatio]]) 07:09, 17 Aprilis 2026 (UTC)
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Currently, many templates pull electoral maps from Wikidata using the property [[:d:Property:P1846|P1846]], combined with the qualifier [[:d:Property:P180|P180]]: [[:d:Q19571328|Q19571328]]. 

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{{tl|FI}} is currently broken and ignores the {{para|width}} param. All images are set to the default size, which is usually very large, like in [[Lirica (Ariosto)]]. [[Usor:Trooper57|Trooper57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Trooper57|disputatio]]) 21:06, 31 Maii 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, I guess we should check how it is behaving in the Italian wiki(s)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:16, 7 Iunii 2026 (UTC)

== Copyright problem? Appropriate for here? ==

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* [[Scriptor:Coronus_Tenebrosius]]
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No statement of copyright. No proof of authorship. paginae vanitatis ? [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 08:24, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC)

:Cum iure auctoris problemata non habebimus, si auctor ipse opera exponit. Et si delere consilium capiemus, [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Saumache|magistratus non habemus]], qui hoc faciant. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:37, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:&lt;blockquote&gt;'''Salvete.''' '''Nomen meum est Krunoslav Mrkoci, et ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' est interpretatio nominis mei in linguam Latinam, id est identitas mea Latina.''' '''Confirmo me ipsum auctorem esse omnium operum hic editorum. Opera primum Croatice scripta sunt, hic autem in versione Latina proposita.''' '''Praeterea fere omnia opera mea iam antea Croatice edita sunt in forma typographica. Id praesertim ad carmina mea pertinet, quae primum anno 1998 in libello iuvenili edita sunt, deinde in variis commentariis typis impressis, inter quos eminenter numeratur periodicum litterarium, culturalis et scientificum ''Riječi'' (Latine: ''Verba''), quod bis delectum e carminibus meis protulit.''' '''Item magna pars commentationum aliarumque prosarum, quae hic in linguam Latinam conversa sunt, iam antea et typis et forma electronica in Croatia divulgata est.'''  Quaeso ut attendatis ad paginam meam in Wikidata, ubi tam sub nomine Croatico ''Krunoslav Mrkoci'' quam sub nomine Latino ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' ut auctor operum meorum inscriptus sum. Gratias ago pro lectione. '''Coronus Tenebrosius'''.&lt;/blockquote&gt; [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius|Coronus Tenebrosius]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Coronus Tenebrosius|disputatio]]) 12:23, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC)

== Copying some templates from the English Wikisource ==

Hello,

Would someone please be able to help me get [[s:en:Template:ppoem|en:Template:ppoem]], [[s:en:blackletter|en:blackletter]], [[s:en:Template:he|en:Template:he]], and [[s:en:Template:grc|en:Template:grc]] available to use on this Wikisource, so I can utilize them here? For the blackletter, I've tried [[Formula:Gothica|Gothica]], but that doesn't seem to be rendering properly.

Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 00:04, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)

:@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] I made the shortcut for [[Formula:Graeca]]. You should not need any administror rights to do anything you need, I'll take a look into it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 09:46, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:Blackletter is already here, [[:Formula:Gothica]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:57, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::Hi! @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]], thanks! Just for clarification, do I need to make the template pages in Latin, or is it alright to copy them in English? Also, @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], I mentioned this above, but for some reason, the Gothica template isn't working for me. See [[Pagina:Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf/15]], for example. Any idea why that might be the case? [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 16:16, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] This wiki lacks proper guidelines and recommendations, I would prefer if you translated the template's name, e.g., [[Formula:spatium]] rather than [[Formula:spatio]] but given the international nature of the project (nobody's mother tongue is Latin) best practice should be to add translated names as shortcuts/redirects. Beware adding templates that are already on the wiki under a different name ([[Formula:grc]] was already at [[Formula:Graeca]]). I took a quick look and it seems the fonts used by the blackletter template are not installed on the wiki; the same template does not seem to work on the French Wikisource either. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 17:40, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::::Maybe we have sufficient powers to add the fonts now? Or we can ask someone with additional permissions to do so. But yes I remember now this has been a long standing problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:54, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:::[https://yaytext.com/fraktur/ This converter] 𝔠𝔬𝔫𝔳𝔢𝔯𝔱𝔰 𝔩𝔢𝔱𝔱𝔢𝔯𝔰 𝔱𝔬 𝔉𝔯𝔞𝔨𝔱𝔲𝔯 (because it exists in Unicode as separate characters). &lt;s&gt;However, I'm not sure if such text can be found using a regular search.&lt;/s&gt; No, Wikipedia search finds it. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:48, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::::I looked into using the converter, but I'm running into the issue of lack of compatibility with {{[[Formula:Ls|Ls]]}}. Would it be better to just wait for the font to be added? Do we have any idea when that will happen/who needs to be contacted for that to happen?
::::Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 19:34, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:::::These Unicode characters don't feel right on my labtop, they have heigth issues among other things. I went and asked on two different wikis about the fonts, I will come back to you when I get some answers. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 19:41, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:[[Formula:Poema recte formatum]] or [[Formula:Ppoem]] now work, altho there's issues with the documentation page. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:52, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 21:20, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)


:{{tl|blackletter}} was not working for me, even after locally installing UnifrakturMaguntia from Google fonts, until I restarted my web browser, which also followed my rebooting. Also, it can't be just any gothic/blackletter font, but must be one of these Fraktur fonts: UnifrakturMaguntia UnifrakturCook  Unifraktur. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 21:19, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Demetrius Talpa|JimKillock|Erblanchard57}} Fonts are downloaded locally, you need to go to Modi/Praeferentiae &gt; Proprietates &gt; Sermonis delectus &gt; Plura &gt; Scripturae and toggle &quot;Download fonts when needed&quot;. The option seems not to be that easy to toggle on by default. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 10:56, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, great. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:09, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you very much! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 15:57, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::English WS seems to pull the font in from a repository. I've copied over the module ULS, css etc, would be good to know if it has made any difference. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:::{{blackletter|fraktur}} etc [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I just deactivated the &quot;download fonts when needed&quot; option for a second to see if it would work without it, and it still doesn't. [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 04:32, 19 Iunii 2026 (UTC)

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== De transclusione libri nondum bis perlecti ==

Salvete omnes, I finished the first proofreading pass of Michael Praetorius's [[Liber:PRAETORIUS,_Michael_-_Syntagma_musicum_1.djvu|''Syntagma musicum'' (volume 1)]]. Every page now has the &quot;Proofread&quot; status, except that a few are also &quot;Validated&quot;. I expect it will take quite a while before the whole book gets that second read, if it ever will.

My question: is it already acceptable to transclude the text into the main namespace at this stage, even though most pages are only single-proofread rather than validated? Or is there a convention on this Wikisource that a work should be fully validated before merging onto the mainspace?

Gratias vobis ago pro consiliis vestris. [[Usor:Sakvaka|Sakvaka]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Sakvaka|disputatio]]) 09:16, 25 Iulii 2026 (UTC)

:Of course, this is acceptable; the texts there are of very different quality. Besides, transclusion slightly increases the chances that someone will find it for re-examination. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:40, 25 Iulii 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you for confirmation! -- [[Usor:Sakvaka|Sakvaka]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Sakvaka|disputatio]]) 07:02, 26 Iulii 2026 (UTC)

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== Metamorphoses (Apuleius)/Psyche et Cupido ==
[[Usor:Saumache]] paginam “[[Metamorphoses (Apuleius)/Psyche et Cupido]]” [[Specialis:Diff/86153/253177|ad deletionem celerem proposuit]], sed scriptum mihi videtur ex alia editione ortum esse atque ideo non esse delendum. Pittacium idcirco e pagina detraxi. --[[Usor:Grufo|Grufo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Grufo|disputatio]]) 20:50, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC)

:Nam eaedem quidem editiones sunt, quibusdam minusculis in maiusculas versis litteris formaque apostropharum solum differunt. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 21:08, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC)

== Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default ==

Hi @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] and others, I noticed that [[:Formula:Littera s longa]] has been changed so that &lt;nowiki&gt;{{s}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; produces ſ rather than s by default. This is in contrast to for example English Wikipedia which allows it as a user option, but assumes it is &quot;s&quot; by default. 

For other formulae, eg {{um}}, {{us}}, {{que}}, etc these are &quot;off&quot; by default. Likewise {{ae}}, {{oe}} I believe are off by default currently.

There various ways that this can work, for example:
* we could provide a user switch for either state per symbol, etc (with JS, as per EN.WS)
* we can provide advice about applying fonts, etc, that can set ſ, ae/oe ligatures, etc, through css preferences
* CSS can specify some of this per book (not all ligatures, eg {{que}} can be applied through CSS, and it depends on installed fonts in some cases)
* we ''might'' be able to apply a default javascript switch behaviour per book rather than sitewide

I don't have a massive preference for s over ſ, or ae / oe over or æ / œ ; but we should I think at least allow users to easily switch, especially re ſ if it is the default.

Just throwing it out there for discussion, to see what the general feeling / preference would be. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:40, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC)

:I lacked the rights to have it be toggled on and off through a gadget, we should ask interface administrators to do it, that should be the best way about it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 22:45, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC)

== Portal pages ==

Hi all, 

I'd like to suggest we create a few &quot;Portal&quot; pages for some key topics, so we can detail what is good and why rather than just provide category pages. There's a need for a page for introductory Latin, for example, which could explain levels of suitability of texts. See also [[#Navigation and validation]] above

To do this, we need community consensus to add a namespace, and then, it is done through a request at Phabricator. The namespace would define what this group of pages were called eg [[Portus:Index]] and also the name of the &quot;Disputatio&quot; (discussion) pages. 

Please let me know if you agree with this proposal or not, so we can demonstrate consensus for the change to be made. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:50, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC)

:cc @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]]@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:12, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, sure (regardless, the Vicifons namespace could be used meanwhile to do some testing for the content). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 12:25, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC)
::Ok (even if I'm a inactive admin... :-( ) [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 12:55, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC)</text>
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== Request for updating the text of the Clementine Bible ==

Two months ago, at [[Disputatio:Vulgata Clementina#The Clementine Vulgate Project dead?]] I noted that the links related to ''The Clementine Vulgate Project'', the main source used for the text of the [[Vulgata Clementina]], were dead.

Fortunately, the list of changes made since the import of on Wikisource can be found [https://web.archive.org/web/20240122025223/https://vulsearch.sourceforge.net/clemtext.rss here]. There is also [https://bitbucket.org/clementinetextproject/text/downloads/ a repository] (although I am not sure if it is up to date).

I have no experience in programming or making imports. So, could someone please update the text of [[Vulgata Clementina]] of Wikisource to use the latest version of ''The Clementine Vulgate Project''? [[Usor:Veverve|Veverve]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Veverve|disputatio]]) 10:01, 23 Februarii 2025 (UTC)

:@[[Usor:Ser be etre shi|Ser be etre shi]] Are you able to help with this? Ping in case so. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:27, 3 Iulii 2025 (UTC)
:@[[Usor:Veverve|Veverve]] Just checking these look like quite a small number of changes, is that right? It may be easiest to do these manually. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:38, 24 Octobris 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|JimKillock}} well, my Latin is almost nonexistent, so I cannot do it myself sadly. [[Usor:Veverve|Veverve]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Veverve|disputatio]]) 18:21, 24 Octobris 2025 (UTC)

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== Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s) ==

On EN wikisource, they have a template &lt;nowiki&gt;{{longs}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to produce ''ſ'' on the transcription page, and by default, ''s'' on the ebook page. users on EN WS can toggle these on and off. 

In this book, [[:la:Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']], there are a number of unusual characters that could do with toggling: ''ſ (s); ß (ss); ẽ (en / em) ũ (un / um) æ (ae) ę (ae) õ (on / om) ã (an / am) œ (oe)''. ([[:formula:ls]] already exists here for ſ, and some other characters semi-implemented at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] but the toggling is not switched on.)

In order to implement this:

(1) What would LA WiCategoria:Formulae litterarumkisource need to enable for user toggling of special characters?

(2) Who would I contact (assuming this is an admin task)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:06, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)

:It looks like it would need this installing, as a start: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js|MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:13, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|OrbiliusMagister}} as the only active magister! --[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:16, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|SZC 03}} in case you have an opinion (you made changes at the De Pricipia transcription project which we could implement better with this toggle feature). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:31, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)
::I would like to point out that not all of the listed characters are of the same kind: 
::* ſ is a variant of s; 
::* ß, æ and œ are [[:w:en:Ligature (writing)|ligatures]] of ſs, ae and oe respectively ([[:w:en:E caudata|ę]] can represent both ae or oe); 
::* ã, ẽ, õ, ũ are used to indicate [[:w:en:Scribal abbreviation|abbreviations]].
::Personally I think it would be somewhat useful to implement the toggle feature only for æ and œ, since of all the ligatures they are the only ones that carry some meaning (that ae or oe in that word is a diphthong) and the only ones that easily show up in search results and correctly displayed in web-browsers.
::Note that both English and Italian wikisources in their transcription guidelines take in consideration the ability of both modern readers and search engines to correctly interpret the character shown (see [[:en:Wikisource:Style guide/Orthography]] and [[:it:Wikisource:Convenzioni di trascrizione]]). Though it would be useful to write rules specific to the Latin wikisource.
::I hope these considerations were of any help. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 07:58, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC)
::In regards to the [[Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']] it would be appropriate to encode the text in a way that we do not lose your work of accurately transcribing the above characters, while still showing to the end user a normalized form. My edit was trying to achieve this with the templates currently in wikisource.
::From a technical standpoint, it would be useful to have a general template not specific to any character that could be used both in ''ad hoc'' situations, and in creating other templates.
::Also if such a template is created for abbreviations it should behave differently from the long s and ligatures, since 1) the text displayed is context dependent, and 2) it is common use in diplomatic transcriptions to show the abbreviated characters in parentheses (so I were taught in paleography class). 
::To give an example of point 2 from the text ([[Pagina:Nicolaus_Machiavellus_De_Principe.pdf/69|page 45]], line 11):
::Original text: Iãq́ꝫ
::Diplomatic transcription: Ia(m)q(ue)
::Standard transcription: Iamque  
::I’m sorry for the lengthy comments. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:02, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC)
:::I agree something adhoc would be helpful. The template would need to specify 
:::* the text as-is and
:::* the modernised version
:::and hopefully there would be a system to pick up which to display.
:::In terms of the display: this could be the js system, perhaps adapted, that we have on en.ws, or possibly it could be an adjustment to the page templates set up, to allow two different books, or sets of pages, to be presented. This would have the advantage that exports would facilitate both (IDK but suspect that exports support the default rather than user choice). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 15:48, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC)
:::I have set out this information in a [[Usor:JimKillock/Orthography|table]] including information about dictionary lookups and likely search engine issues. In short, from a user perspective, all the characters can be problematic, but æ and œ work within Alpheios for dictionary lookups, so are a bit more tolerable than the others from a default perspective. However I think it is useful tobe able to see and use the originals for some people, eg those practicing reading Renaissance scans etc; or researchers or academics looking to use source texts. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:09, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|Alex brollo}}, {{ping|VIGNERON}}, {{ping|Candalua}} in case you can help. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:38, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)
::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] Interesting question. I'll take a look to the ensource template to understand how it works (I hope it is not based on javascript). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 06:18, 1 Maii 2025 (UTC)
:::I’m afraid it is based on javascript: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]]
:::To see the button you have to enable the [[:en:Help:Gadget-Visibility|Visibility gadget]]. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:12, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] checking in whether we can implement this, or find another solution. I am holding off further changes until I know how to proceed - but I am sure there should be a way to do this! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:40, 19 Maii 2025 (UTC)
:::Noting this question comes up again at [[:Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] (I have [[Disputatio Libri:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|left a note there]]). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:08, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
::::OK, I have developed templates as this is holding up other people's work. I have based each template on the existing [[:formula:ls]], and avoid duplicating those that already exist using the same method at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]]. Meantime if anyone has further thoughts about using Visibility Gadget or going another way, I would be very grateful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:02, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] I have made a very basic template for flexible character switching at [[Formula:Scr]]; this returns the first entry on the book page, and the second in main space, eg &lt;nowiki&gt;{{scr|qꝫ|que}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; would work the same as &lt;nowiki&gt;{{que}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;. 
:::::However there is advice on ENWS not to use characters but use HTML entities for CSS reasons, so it is probably better for users to use specific templates. For example, I also created &lt;nowiki&gt;{{po}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; which allows a user to decide what it might best represent, eg &lt;nowiki&gt;{{po|;}} or {{po|?}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;.
:::::In general, using set templates like &lt;nowiki&gt;{{que}}, {{em}}, {{um}}, {{etc}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; is much easier for proofing, so I think I will continue to add these where it seems useful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:29, 24 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
::::::Hi folks, so that you know, I have made something of a workaround to be able to enable these features, which works well enough for me. I will perhaps add some guidance somewhere. What I have done:
::::::# Installed the font Garamontio, as it has the qꝫ character, and all the possible ligatures
::::::# Created custom css to apply Garamontio to Wikisource as a whole;  at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.css]]; and
::::::# Created (vibecoded) custom javascript at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.js]]
::::::The second script looks for the various spans with the css style typographic-long-s, and replaces the characters as appropriate. This seems to work surprisingly well, Garamontio does all of the discretionary ligatures etc, and is a very well designed font (fork of EB Garamond, with some extra touches useful here). The issue is of course that this applies to the whole of Latin Wikisource all of the time. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:35, 25 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], reading this I wanted to tell you that you could apply styles to a index page, but I see you have already figured it out. Kudos on your progress. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 09:56, 9 Iulii 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Thanks @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]]; my list of scribal transformations has got quite long tho. And I need to check on the possible logic of it, some needs to hide and unhide, rather than search and replace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:27, 11 Iulii 2025 (UTC)

== We will be enabling the new Charts extension on your wiki soon! ==

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Hi all! We have good news to share regarding the ongoing problem with graphs and charts affecting all wikis that use them.

As you probably know, the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|old Graph extension]] was disabled in 2023 [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/EWL4AGBEZEDMNNFTM4FRD4MHOU3CVESO/|due to security reasons]]. We’ve worked in these two years to find a solution that could replace the old extension, and provide a safer and better solution to users who wanted to showcase graphs and charts in their articles. We therefore developed the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Charts extension]], which will be replacing the old Graph extension and potentially also the [[:mw:Extension:EasyTimeline|EasyTimeline extension]].

After successfully deploying the extension on Italian, Swedish, and Hebrew Wikipedia, as well as on MediaWiki.org, as part of a pilot phase, we are now happy to announce that we are moving forward with the next phase of deployment, which will also include your wiki.

The deployment will happen in batches, and will start from '''May 6'''. Please, consult [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|our page on MediaWiki.org]] to discover when the new Charts extension will be deployed on your wiki. You can also [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|consult the documentation]] about the extension on MediaWiki.org.

If you have questions, need clarifications, or just want to express your opinion about it, please refer to the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension_talk:Chart/Project|project’s talk page on Mediawiki.org]], or ping me directly under this thread. If you encounter issues using Charts once it gets enabled on your wiki, please report it on the [[:mw:Extension_talk:Chart/Project|talk page]] or at [[phab:tag/charts|Phabricator]].

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== &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;Call for Candidates for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C)&lt;/span&gt; ==

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You may now [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025/Candidates|submit your candidacy to serve on the U4C]] through 29 May 2025 at 12:00 UTC. Information about [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025|eligibility, process, and the timeline are on Meta-wiki]]. Voting on candidates will open on 1 June 2025 and run for two weeks, closing on 15 June 2025 at 12:00 UTC.

If you have any questions, you can ask on [[m:Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025|the discussion page for the election]]. -- in cooperation with the U4C, &lt;/div&gt;&lt;section end=&quot;announcement-content&quot; /&gt;
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== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 Maii 2025 (UTC)
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== &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions&lt;/span&gt; ==

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
* July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5]
* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

Board Liaison to the Elections Committee

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== Administrator backlog? ==

Hi there,

I am noticing a lot of pages that say that the current version is not checked; and versions I have amended are not (apparently) displayed because they need approval. Am I right in assuming this is due to a lack of (active) administrator time? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:53, 30 Maii 2025 (UTC)

:Relatedly @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] / @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] / other admins, [[Colloquia familiaria]] has an old index page and other old sub pages which could do with changes being approved. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:58, 12 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
::Ping on this, some of the sub pages are quite broken. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:42, 28 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:I have tried to fix the lack of text in ePub export for [[Noctes Atticae]].
:Unfortunately, it seems that all my submissions require approval (last approval seems to have taken place more than five years ago).
:Is there any way to have &lt;code&gt;class=&quot;ws-export&quot;&lt;/code&gt; to the second &lt;code&gt;&amp;lt;table&amp;gt;&lt;/code&gt; from [[Noctes Atticae]]?
:Many thanks for your help, [[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 19:09, 15 Augusti 2025 (UTC)
::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] Checking you know this is working now [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:21, 18 Augusti 2026 (UTC)

== Vote now in the 2025 U4C Election ==

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Eligible voters are asked to participate in the 2025 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee]] election. More information–including an eligibility check, voting process information, candidate information, and a link to the vote–are available on Meta at the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Election/2025|2025 Election information page]]. The vote closes on 17 June 2025 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1750161600 12:00 UTC].

Please vote if your account is eligible. Results will be available by 1 July 2025. -- In cooperation with the U4C, [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 23:01, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) &lt;/div&gt;
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== Mnemonics Book in Latin ==

Dear all,

Over the past month, with the help of others, I’ve been compiling a list of older and often overlooked books on mnemonic techniques available on [[:en:Portal:Mnemonics|Wikisource English]]. Many of these works—some dating back decades or even centuries—offer fascinating insights into how memory has been understood, trained, and improved across different cultures and time periods.

I've recently added a new section to the portal: &quot;Multilingual Works on Mnemonic Techniques.&quot; This is in part because several of the English-language texts reference related works in other languages, particularly Latin.

Unfortunately, many of these referenced works are written in Classical Latin, and my ability to work with them is quite limited—I’ve done what I can, but they remain largely inaccessible to me.

If anyone has expertise in Classical Latin and might be willing to help with these texts, your assistance would be greatly appreciated.

* ''[[:la:Foenix|Foenix]] by [[w:en:Peter of Ravenna|Peter of Ravenna]]'' (1491)
* ''[[:la:Congestorium Artificiose Memorie|Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]'' by Johann Horst von Romberch (1533)

[[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032259.jpg|150px]][[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032269.jpg|150px]]

Here is a discussion form on it 

https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/johannes-romberchs-congestorium-artificiose-memorie/30174

Warm regards [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 23:15, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC)

:Hi there, I could help proofing texts you have prepared perhaps? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:57, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:: Thanks for offering—I’d really appreciate your help with proofreading.
:: We have two books. Which one would you like to start with?
::*[[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]]
::*[[Liber:Congestorium artificiose memorie ... - V.P.F. Joa(n)nis Romberch de Kyrspe. Regularis obseruantie predicatorie- (IA hin-wel-all-00002875-001).pdf]]
::[[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 21:49, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:::I can do the pages you have put into the first, as a start for you. BTW the transcribed text does not always look like it originated from the source. It is very correct, but some has different orthography and missed certain parts. That is fine of course if we are correcting to the original. (PS: you might want to create a user account so that you can be notified of replies, hide your IP address, etc). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:57, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:::I had a go at the first page or two; some of the orthography was removed while other parts were kept. I kept all of it as a first go. See the discussion above about how we treat orthography, hopefully we can address this with templates. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:11, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
::::I'm using Google OCR and some AI tools to pull out text and sometimes translate it into English so I can understand it. If anyone could help me proofread or check it, I’d be super grateful! [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 00:50, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:::::I have added all the templates we need for the special characters / orthography, I will start doing the pages with those. The end result will be that on the main space ebook pages, the chars will toggle on and off, at least once that is properly implemented. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:25, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
::::::Noted, sounds good. I’ll try adding to the other pages next time. [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 22:10, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC)

== &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 - Call for Candidates&lt;/span&gt; ==

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Hello all,

The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025|call for candidates for the 2025 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees selection is now open]] from June 17, 2025 – July 2, 2025 at 11:59 UTC [1]. The Board of Trustees oversees the Wikimedia Foundation's work, and each Trustee serves a three-year term [2]. This is a volunteer position.

This year, the Wikimedia community will vote in late August through September 2025 to fill two (2) seats on the Foundation Board. Could you – or someone you know – be a good fit to join the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees? [3]

Learn more about what it takes to stand for these leadership positions and how to submit your candidacy on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Candidate application|this Meta-wiki page]] or encourage someone else to run in this year's election.

Best regards,

Abhishek Suryawanshi&lt;br /&gt;
Chair of the Elections Committee

On behalf of the Elections Committee and Governance Committee

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Call_for_candidates

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal:Bylaws#(B)_Term.

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== [[De Principe]] ==

Si vis, quaeso, me adiuva ut liber novus ''[[De Principe]]'' correctus sit et erroribus liber. Nuper completus, ab aliquo alio corrigendus est. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:14, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC)

== &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;Sister Projects Task Force reviews Wikispore and Wikinews&lt;/span&gt; ==

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Dear Wikimedia Community,

The [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee|Community Affairs Committee (CAC)]]  of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees assigned [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Sister Projects Task Force|the Sister Projects Task Force (SPTF)]] to update and implement a procedure for assessing the lifecycle of Sister Projects – wiki [[m:Wikimedia projects|projects supported by Wikimedia Foundation (WMF)]].

A vision of relevant, accessible, and impactful free knowledge has always guided the Wikimedia Movement. As the ecosystem of Wikimedia projects continues to evolve, it is crucial that we periodically review existing projects to ensure they still align with our goals and community capacity.

Despite their noble intent, some projects may no longer effectively serve their original purpose. '''Reviewing such projects is not about giving up – it's about responsible stewardship of shared resources'''. Volunteer time, staff support, infrastructure, and community attention are finite, and the non-technical costs tend to grow significantly as our ecosystem has entered a different age of the internet than the one we were founded in. Supporting inactive projects or projects that didn't meet our ambitions can unintentionally divert these resources from areas with more potential impact.

Moreover, maintaining projects that no longer reflect the quality and reliability of the Wikimedia name stands for, involves a reputational risk. An abandoned or less reliable project affects trust in the Wikimedia movement.

Lastly, '''failing to sunset or reimagine projects that are no longer working can make it much harder to start new ones'''. When the community feels bound to every past decision – no matter how outdated – we risk stagnation. A healthy ecosystem must allow for evolution, adaptation, and, when necessary, letting go. If we create the expectation that every project must exist indefinitely, we limit our ability to experiment and innovate.

Because of this, SPTF reviewed two requests concerning the lifecycle of the Sister Projects to work through and demonstrate the review process. We chose Wikispore as a case study for a possible new Sister Project opening and Wikinews as a case study for a review of an existing project. Preliminary findings were discussed with the CAC, and a community consultation on both proposals was recommended.

=== Wikispore ===

The [[m:Wikispore|application to consider Wikispore]] was submitted in 2019. SPTF decided to review this request in more depth because rather than being concentrated on a specific topic, as most of the proposals for the new Sister Projects are, Wikispore has the potential to nurture multiple start-up Sister Projects.

After careful consideration, the SPTF has decided '''not to recommend''' Wikispore as a Wikimedia Sister Project. Considering the current activity level, the current arrangement allows '''better flexibility''' and experimentation while WMF provides core infrastructural support. 

We acknowledge the initiative's potential and seek community input on what would constitute a sufficient level of activity and engagement to reconsider its status in the future.

As part of the process, we shared the decision with the Wikispore community and invited one of its leaders, Pharos, to an SPTF meeting.

Currently, we especially invite feedback on measurable criteria indicating the project's readiness, such as contributor numbers, content volume, and sustained community support. This would clarify the criteria sufficient for opening a new Sister Project, including possible future Wikispore re-application. However, the numbers will always be a guide because any number can be gamed.

=== Wikinews ===

We chose to review Wikinews among existing Sister Projects because it is the one for which we have observed the highest level of concern in multiple ways.

Since the SPTF was convened in 2023, its members have asked for the community's opinions during conferences and community calls about Sister Projects that did not fulfil their promise in the Wikimedia movement.[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WCNA_2024._Sister_Projects_-_opening%3F_closing%3F_merging%3F_splitting%3F.pdf &lt;nowiki&gt;[1]&lt;/nowiki&gt;][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Sister_Projects_Task_Force#Wikimania_2023_session_%22Sister_Projects:_past,_present_and_the_glorious_future%22 &lt;nowiki&gt;[2]&lt;/nowiki&gt;][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F &lt;nowiki&gt;[3]&lt;/nowiki&gt;] Wikinews was the leading candidate for an evaluation because people from multiple language communities proposed it. Additionally, by most measures, it is the least active Sister Project, with the greatest drop in activity over the years.

While the Language Committee routinely opens and closes language versions of the Sister Projects in small languages, there has never been a valid proposal to close Wikipedia in major languages or any project in English. This is not true for Wikinews, where there was a proposal to close English Wikinews, which gained some traction but did not result in any action[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_English_Wikinews &lt;nowiki&gt;[4]&lt;/nowiki&gt;][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F &lt;nowiki&gt;[5]&lt;/nowiki&gt;, see section 5] as well as a draft proposal to close all languages of Wikinews[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_closing_projects/Archive_2#Close_Wikinews_completely,_all_languages? &lt;nowiki&gt;[6]&lt;/nowiki&gt;].

[[:c:File:Sister Projects Taskforce Wikinews review 2024.pdf|Initial metrics]] compiled by WMF staff also support the community's concerns about Wikinews.

Based on this report, SPTF recommends a community reevaluation of Wikinews. We conclude that its current structure and activity levels are the lowest among the existing sister projects. SPTF also recommends pausing the opening of new language editions while the consultation runs.

SPTF brings this analysis to a discussion and welcomes discussions of alternative outcomes, including potential restructuring efforts or integration with other Wikimedia initiatives.

'''Options''' mentioned so far (which might be applied to just low-activity languages or all languages) include but are not limited to:
*Restructure how Wikinews works and is linked to other current events efforts on the projects,
*Merge the content of Wikinews into the relevant language Wikipedias, possibly in a new namespace,
*Merge content into compatibly licensed external projects,
*Archive Wikinews projects.
Your insights and perspectives are invaluable in shaping the future of these projects. We encourage all interested community members to share their thoughts on the relevant discussion pages or through other designated feedback channels.

=== Feedback and next steps ===

We'd be grateful if you want to take part in a conversation on the future of these projects and the review process. We are setting up two different project pages: [[m:Public consultation about Wikispore|Public consultation about Wikispore]] and [[m:Public consultation about Wikinews|Public consultation about Wikinews]]. Please participate between 27 June 2025 and 27 July 2025, after which we will summarize the discussion to move forward. You can write in your own language.

I will also host a community conversation 16th July Wednesday 11.00 UTC and 17th July Thursday 17.00 UTC (call links to follow shortly) and will be around at Wikimania for more discussions. 
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== Latin incunabula and other early books ==

Expanding a bit on what I mentioned above, re character toggling, and also working on the books [[Foenix]] and [[Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae]]
* the Transkribus Latin Incunabula scan does a great job on the heavy gothic style print
* I will see how it does with more Garamond-style texts, in case it works with these
* I have developed a fairly full set of templates for scribal characters, see [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]]
* I am thinking about using a bot to wholesale search and replace long s, and other scribal characters mapped there
Between these things, the work to transcribe and correct early printed Latin books should be very much reduced. If anyone feels like helping test this out, do give me shout. Meantime I will run tests on Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae to check how well the bot system works. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:50, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC)

:The folks at Wikisource helped create a JS solution for this, see [[Usor:JimKillock/incunabula.js]]. The script does a search and replace for what is needed, on the '''first save of a new book page'''; these are the settings for the Incunabula style section of [[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|this scan, p 52 onwards]]  for [[Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]. It seems to work very well and is extremely labour saving! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 22:59, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC)

== Navigation and validation ==

Hi there, 

I would like to do some work on navigation, to provide some &quot;portal&quot; pages similar to EN Wikisource. For example, this would help with learner texts a lot 9I often get asked how to find these texts, I point to the category pages, but these are very basic.

I would also like to know what we should do about page validation. Some really necessary changes are currently languishing in the backlog. This is an admin only task: should we asking for more administrators, or is this something existing admins here can take on? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 14:08, 13 Iulii 2025 (UTC)
:Hi {{U|JimKillock}} good idea, don't hesitate to start and/or ask for help. That said, I'm not sure to see why this is an admin task (even if, yes, the underlying point is true, we need more admins). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:31, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think the Portal namespace and some modules need setting up which require admin permissions, I will dig a bit further and come back to you. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

== Wikidata Item and Property labels soon displayed in Wiki Watchlist/Recent Changes ==

''(Apologies for posting in English, you can help by translating into your language)''

Hello everyone, the [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects]] team is excited to announce an upcoming change in how Wikidata edit changelogs are displayed in your [[Special:Watchlist|Watchlists]] and [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]] lists. If an edit is made on Wikidata that affects a page in another Wikimedia Project, the changelog will contain some information about the nature of the edit. This can include a QID (or Q-number), a PID (or P-number) and a value (which can be text, numbers, dates, or also QID or PID’s). Confused by these terms? See the [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Glossary|Wikidata:Glossary]] for further explanations.

The upcoming change is scheduled for '''17.07.2025''', between '''1300 - 1500 UTC'''.
The change will display the label (item name) alongside any QID or PIDs, as seen in the image below:
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These changes will only be visible if you have Wikidata edits enabled in your User Preferences for Watchlists and Recent Changes, or have the active filter ‘Wikidata edits’ checkbox toggled on, directly on the Watchlist and Recent Changes pages.

Your bot and gadget may be affected! There are thousands of bots, gadgets and user-scripts and whilst we have researched potential effects to many of them, we cannot guarantee there won’t be some that are broken or affected by this change.

Further information and context about this change, including how your bot may be affected can be found on this [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|project task page]]. We welcome your questions and feedback, please write to us on this dedicated [[m:Talk:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Talk page]].

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== &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;  Upcoming Deployment of the CampaignEvents Extension&lt;/span&gt; ==

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Hello everyone,  

''(Apologies for posting in English if English is not your first language. Please help translate to your language.)''

The Campaigns Product Team is planning a global deployment of the '''[[:mw:Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]]''' to all Wikisource, including this Wikisource, during the '''week of August 25th'''.

This extension is designed to help organizers plan and manage events, WikiProjects, and other on-wiki collaborations - and to make these efforts more discoverable.

The three main features of this extension are:

* '''[[:m:Event_Center/Registration|Event Registration]]''': A simple way to sign up for events on the wiki.
*  '''[[:m:CampaignEvents/Collaboration_list|Collaboration List]]''': A global list of events and a local list of WikiProjects, accessible at '''[[:m:Special:AllEvents|Special:AllEvents]]'''.
*  '''[[:m:Campaigns/Foundation_Product_Team/Invitation_list|Invitation Lists]]''': A tool to help organizers find editors who might want to join, based on their past contributions.

'''Note''': The extension comes with a new user right called '''&quot;Event Organizer&quot;''', which will be managed by administrators on this Wikisource. Organizer tools like Event Registration and Invitation Lists will only work if someone is granted this right. The Collaboration List is available to everyone immediately after deployment.

The extension is already live on several wikis, including '''all Wikipedia, Meta, Wikidata''', and more ( [[m:CampaignEvents/Deployment_status#Current_Deployment_Status_for_CampaignEvents_extension| See the full deployment list]])

If you have any questions, concerns, or feedback, please feel free to share them on the [[m:Talk:CampaignEvents| extension talkpage]]. We’d love to hear from you before the rollout.

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== &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;Temporary accounts will be rolled out soon&lt;/span&gt; ==

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Hello, we are the Wikimedia Foundation [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity|Product Safety and Integrity]] team. We would like to announce that '''we plan to enable [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] for this wiki in the week of September 1'''.

Temporary accounts are successfully live on 30 wikis, including many large ones like German, Japanese, and French. The change they bring is especially relevant to logged-out editors, who this feature is designed to protect. But it is also relevant to community members like mentors, patrollers, and admins – anyone who reverts edits, blocks users, or otherwise interacts with logged-out editors as part of keeping the wikis safe and accurate. 

'''Why we are building temporary accounts'''

Our wikis should be safer to edit by default for logged-out editors. Temporary accounts allow people to continue editing the wikis without creating an account, while avoiding publicly tying their edits to their IP address. We believe this is in the best interest of our logged-out editors, who make valuable contributions to the wikis and who may later create accounts and grow our community of editors, admins, and other roles. Even though the wikis do warn logged-out editors that their IP address will be associated with their edit, many people may not understand what an IP address is, or that it could be used to connect them to other information about them in ways they might not expect. 

Additionally, our moderation software and tools rely too heavily on network origin (IP addresses) to identify users and patterns of activity, especially as IP addresses themselves are becoming less stable as identifiers. Temporary accounts allow for more precise interactions with logged-out editors, including more precise blocks, and can help limit how often we unintentionally end up blocking good-faith users who use the same IP addresses as bad-faith users.

'''How temporary accounts work'''
[[File:Temporary account banner and empty talk page.png|thumb]]
Any time a logged-out user publishes an edit on this wiki, a cookie will be set in this user's browser, and a temporary account tied with this cookie will be automatically created. This account's name will follow the pattern: &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;~2025-12345-67&lt;/code&gt; (a tilde, current year, a number). On pages like Recent Changes or page history, this name will be displayed. The cookie will expire 90 days after its creation. As long as it exists, all edits made from this device will be attributed to this temporary account. It will be the same account even if the IP address changes, unless the user clears their cookies or uses a different device or web browser. A record of the IP address used at the time of each edit will be stored for 90 days after the edit. However, only some logged-in users will be able to see it.

'''What does this mean for different groups of users?'''

'''For logged-out editors'''

* This increases privacy: currently, if you do not use a registered account to edit, then everybody can see the IP address for the edits you made, even after 90 days. That will no longer be possible on this wiki.
* If you use a temporary account to edit from different locations in the last 90 days (for example at home and at a coffee shop), the edit history and the IP addresses for all those locations will now be recorded together, for the same temporary account. Users who [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Access_to_temporary_account_IP_addresses|meet the relevant requirements]] will be able to view this data. If this creates any personal security concerns for you, please contact talktohumanrights at wikimedia.org for advice.

'''For community members interacting with logged-out editors'''

* A temporary account is uniquely linked to a device. In comparison, an IP address can be shared with different devices and people (for example, different people at school or at work might have the same IP address).
* Compared to the current situation, it will be safer to assume that a temporary user's talk page belongs to only one person, and messages left there will be read by them. As you can see in the screenshot, temporary account users will receive notifications. It will also be possible to thank them for their edits, ping them in discussions, and invite them to get more involved in the community.

'''For users who use IP address data to moderate and maintain the wiki'''

* '''For patrollers''' who track persistent abusers, investigate violations of policies, etc.: Users who [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Access_to_temporary_account_IP_addresses|meet the requirements]] will be able to reveal temporary users' IP addresses and all contributions made by temporary accounts from a specific IP address or range ([[Special:IPContributions]]). They will also have access to useful information about the IP addresses thanks to the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/IP Info|IP Info]] feature. Many other pieces of software have been built or adjusted to work with temporary accounts, including AbuseFilter, global blocks, Global User Contributions, and more. (For information for volunteer developers on how to update the code of your tools – see the last part of the message.)
* '''For admins blocking logged-out editors''':
** It will be possible to block many abusers by just blocking their temporary accounts. A blocked person won't be able to create new temporary accounts quickly if the admin selects the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Autoblock|autoblock]] option.
** It will still be possible to block an IP address or IP range.
* Temporary accounts will not be retroactively applied to contributions made before the deployment. On Special:Contributions, you will be able to see existing IP user contributions, but not new contributions made by temporary accounts on that IP address. Instead, you should use Special:IPContributions for this.

'''Our requests for you, and next steps'''

* If you know of any tools, bots, gadgets etc. using data about IP addresses or being available for logged-out users, you may want to test if they work on [[testwiki:Main_Page|testwiki]] or [[test2wiki:Main_Page|test2wiki]]. If you are a volunteer developer, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers|read our documentation for developers]], and in particular, the section on [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers#How should I update my code?|how your code might need to be updated]].
* If you want to test the temporary account experience, for example just to check what it feels like, go to testwiki or test2wiki and edit without logging in.
* Tell us if you know of any difficulties that need to be addressed. We will try to help, and if we are not able, we will consider the available options.
* Look at our [[m:Meta:Babel#Temporary_Accounts:_access_to_IP_addresses_and_next_steps|previous message]] about requirements for users without extended rights who may need access to IP addresses.

To learn more about the project, check out [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/FAQ|our FAQ]] – you will find many useful answers there. You may also [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/Updates|look at the updates]] (we have just posted one) and [[mw:Newsletter:Product Safety and Integrity|subscribe to our new newsletter]]. If you'd like to talk to me (Szymon) off-wiki, you will find me on Discord and Telegram. Thank you!&lt;section end=&quot;body&quot; /&gt;
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== All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae ==

I was looking for templates/formulae by looking at &lt;nowiki&gt;[[Categoria:Formulae]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;

All pages in [[Liber:Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679.djvu]] are in &lt;nowiki&gt;[[Categoria:Formulae]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;

Many (all?) pages in [[Liber:Gallia Christiana, 1715, T1.djvu]] are in &lt;nowiki&gt;[[Categoria:Formulae]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;, like article [[Gallia Christiana 1715 01/Epistola2]]

These all use [[Formula:Sidenotes begin]]. There is one &quot;[https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&amp;oldid=79709&amp;diff=cur pending change]&quot; on this template. But that change puts the category outside the noinclude.
::&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;
::&lt;nowiki&gt;[[Categoria:Formulae]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;

Please either reject the change or move the categoria line. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 04:17, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC)

:Hi @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], I don't think anyone from the admins is monitoring or actioning pending changes currently. (see discussions re admin queues above.) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 05:29, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|Shenme}} {{done}} I excluded the categories. {{ping|JimKillock}} no blame but be careful next time, categories should always be excluded. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:28, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|VIGNERON}} It wasn't @JimKillock who made [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=79709 the problematic change], but someone else [[Usor:Ceciliawolf]]. I noticed the problem, he included the problem a list that got your attention. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 02:46, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Shenme}} yes, but [[Special:Diff/236794]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 06:57, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

== Request for admin status ==

Hi all, given that we have quite a lot of admin requests (mostly relating to &quot;pending&quot; changes), I would like to request administrator status so that some of these can be cleared. If anyone else wants to step up to help out, that would also be welcome. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:23, 1 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

:Ping to @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], @[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]]:, @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]]:, @[[Usor:Candalua|Candalua]]:  in case you feel able to support my request. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:57, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::Hi {{U|JimKillock}},
::I apparently missed it, where do we have « a lot of admin requests » ?
::That said, one more admin is always good, so create the request and I'll support it.
::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:34, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::Hi @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]], 
:::Thank you! On the admin requests, on this page, here are these
:::* [[#All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae]]
:::* [[#It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace]] (which you have replied to)
:::* [[#Navigation and validation]]
:::* [[#Administrator backlog?]]
:::* [[#Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s)]] (altho this has been worked around and may not be needed)
:::Most of these relate to the ''Pending changes'' backlog in various ways; two are requests for new features / modules to be ported across. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks, I see. It doesn't look like a lot to me, I'll try to deal with it today. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:27, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thank you @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] :) You could also take a look at the pending changes on [[Formula:Pagina_prima/Novae_Aetatis]] and [[Moriae encomium]]. The really big job is going through [[Specialis:PendingChanges|pending changes]] altogether - I understand there is a five year backlog. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:36, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::::I see... I had a quick look and all changes seem good. Do we even need this extension on Wikisource? Also, if we keep it, I guess we need more reviewers rather than admins (more admins would be useful too, but that's a separate point). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 10:35, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::Of course, the request needs to be supported; without active administrators it is very inconvenient. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:21, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::What do you need us to do? BTW, it would be great to know why edits require administrator approvals. Sorry, but I‘m afraid this makes contributing almost pointless. Many thanks for your help, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 14:15, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::So there are two reasons it would be helpful for me to be an admin; one is if we carry on with the approval system (it looks like we will not) and the other is around updating or adding certain components, modules for example. There may be other tasks I am not aware of that I could help with, but these are the ones I know about. Implementing Portal pages for example needs some work by an admin AIUI.
:::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] your question re edits needing approval is [[#Do_we_need_to_approve_changes_to_pages|addressed below, here]]. 
:::In terms of what you / others need to do, it seems that if there is a consensus to allow me administrator permissions, then a bueaucrat user would implement it (I mistakenly opening a request at meta, and they referred me back here); so we just need to have your views, yes, no, maybe, etc. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:01, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::The page [[Vicifons:Magistratus]], intended for promotion, seems to be protected; I couldn't edit it (''petitio grapheocrat'''ae''''') and add a category ([[:Categoria:Usores]]). [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:23, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, it seems editable now so I [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Petitio_magistratus|added my request there]], if anyone wants to support it. Regarding ''grapheocrates -ae'', how is this declined? Is it otherwise treated as a masculine first declension? Thinking it ought to be added to Wiktionary as it is missing from there. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:00, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::::This is [https://archive.org/details/calepinusnovus2002/calepinusnovus2002-french-latin/page/n23/mode/1up?q=grapheocrates from Licoppe and Eichenseer]. Yes, this can be added to Wiktionary, I have no experience editing there. Thanks for the corrections, today the system let me in, but yesterday for some unknown reason it didn’t let me in. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:53, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you and no problem. I can add to Wiktionary I hope; is the plural therefore ''grapheocratae''; and is the singular ''grapheocrates'' or ''grapheocrata''? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:14, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Yes, of course. They took the Modern Greek word γραφειοκράτης. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:41, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, after a bit of struggle that is at [[:en:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] and  [[:la:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:43, 7 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

== It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace ==

It would require someone with interface admin status to create [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index data config.json]] to replace the current index form parameters ([[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index attributes|very old system]]) with special care to not mass delete information by unadvertedly changing some parameter's name. [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config.json Example from the English Wikisource]. If someone wants to help, please contact me. Regards! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 02:10, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

:Hi @[[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]], potentially - if I have admin status :) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:54, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|Ignacio Rodríguez}} I did a test (by copy-pasting the English page), it works, so no need to be interface admin, being admin is enough.
::I only half understand that paramater page, could you give me the actual content expected ?
::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:38, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't remember all the details but I worked on that page in the Spanish Wikisource almost a decade ago. I'll make a mockup in the talk page, but I can't promise to get all the Latin words right. For ease, parameter names and help tooltips will be in English internally, but they will show in Latin in the form. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::This was added and it now works perfectly. Thanks! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:25, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

== Do we need to approve changes to pages ==

Hi all,

Moving the discussion regarding the backlog at [[Specialis:PendingChanges]]: @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] asks whether we need to have this feature. I suspect it was switched on because of spam, vandalism, or some other similar issue. Without it we might need to be keeping an eye on recent changes. I am not sure how the proteccted changes permissions works, or whether permissions to make approvals to changes can be delegated more widely. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

:Changes to pages affecting project *function* must be controlled. But it seems that Pending Changes doesn't actually stop changes to something like a template/formula from having effect? See my report about &lt;nowiki&gt;Formula:Sidenotes begin&lt;/nowiki&gt; above.
:And checking a couple of the other initial items in [[Specialis:PendingChanges]], it seems that all pending changes are actually immediately applied to active, visible pages.
:So Pending Changes &lt;u&gt;does not prevent damage&lt;/u&gt; to the project. It is &lt;u&gt;merely a tracking and notification method?&lt;/u&gt;
:That can be useful, but requires a set of people to be change reviewers. And changes to subject matter would seem to require reviewers knowledgeable about the subject? 
:And when changes affect *function*, like templates, who can review and approve those? I'd think only admins.
:The link to monitoring Recent Changes is undeniable. I monitor Recent Changes often at Spanish Wikisource because I've seen the random damage people can do. That is the only way to react quickly to damage. (?) But then that assumes people are checking lists frequently, at least daily. 
:Neither Pending Changes or monitoring Recent Changes prevent damage. They can be only part of a solution to damage. I don't know what to think about Pending Changes ''in isolation''. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 03:48, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} I've got mainly two points :
::* vandlism is low to inexistant on la.ws (and it's already low on most Wikisources), making this extension useless and even problematic. Because it doesn't prevent changes but it prevents them to be effective.
::** Apparently the reason to install is [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_VII#protection_of_completed_works_-_Flagged_Revisions_as_an_alternative?]]
::* this extension is actually caleld [[mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs]] and it's deprecated for years (see [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_XI#Futrue_of_FlaggedRevs_(Pending_Changes)_extension]] or the warning on the extension itself « Flagged Revisions is complex, poorly documented, very clunky, and not recommended for production use »). Also, people on Wikisource don't seem to really master or even using it (including the reviewers rights). Maybe it's aan opportunity to list exactly what we need and find a new extension that fit these needs.
::In the end, I see a lot of cons and only a few pros...
::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:35, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:I haven't seen any vandalism here in years. But if you fix the errors, the &quot;Pending Changes&quot; status means that the fixes will only be visible to registered users. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:10, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} many thanks for your replies. I must admit that I’m an occasional Wikisource (or even Wikipedia contributor). I essentially (or exclusively) contribute corrections.
:Some days ago, I wanted to download an ePub file for the [[Noctes Atticae]] (to do some regexp searches), but the export was wrong. I tried to modify the code (which I have done successfully for the Greek Wikisource many times) and I found out that I needed a ''nihil obstat'' (I’m afraid this would be way to name it).
:Of course, I’m the least interested in vandalism (either contributing it myself, or being any collaborative project being infested/polluted by it). But I think there should be a way of distinguishing between vandalism and non-hardcore (or occasional) contributors.
:I don’t know any perfect system, but it should be worth considering a mixed approach. Approval could be required for: already flagged users (for vandalism) and recent users (how about a five-year publishing embargo?).
:Only to mention a case, my [https://el.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Συμπόσιον_(Πλάτων)&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=49677 first contribution to the Greek Wiksource] was in 2012. I don’t know for how long I have been registered in Wikimedia (I guess this was before 2010).
:This isn’t about myself, the issue here is that Wikisource needs contributions to even exist (not to mention for its growth). If no regular user is allowed to contribute without approval, cooperation is basically non-existing.
:Even with approval, the reply times are incredibly slow (because of the system). It is not that attention spans are getting shorter, time is the most scarce resource we all are (and I don’t have weeks or months to see whether I’m allowed to have [[Noctes Atticae]] as ePub).
:Sorry, the sentence in parentheses isn’t a complaint. Please, do as you please, but my contribution is: consider that you might be making contributions way harder, project growth way slower and administrators’ roles way more complicated (probably, than they could and should be).
:Many thanks for your help and your project, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 17:15, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think there is consensus we can switch this off. Let me know if I can help in any way if you think it's time to switch it off. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:25, 4 Octobris 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks for the reminder and agreed for removal, so I created a task on Phabricator here : [[Phab:T406424]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:42, 5 Octobris 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks for filing this @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] , the Wikimedia tech team seem to have finished their work on this now! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:16, 18 Octobris 2025 (UTC)

== Index page error &quot;Error: Invalid interval&quot; ==

I am getting an error: at [[:Liber:Nos in schola latine loquimur - Ars latine loquendi.pdf]] &quot;Error: Invalid interval&quot; for the paginae listing; even when set to &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;pagelist 1=1 /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;. Any clues appreciated! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:48, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

:This might be the infamous &quot;0x0 bug&quot; that has plagued Wikisource for two? three? years. Normally it resolves doing a purge in both the file page in Commons and in the local Wikisource. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 19:34, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks, that seems to b working now. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:53, 6 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

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Quaeso ut videatis [[:en:Author talk:Archibald Pitcairne|Author talk:Archibald Pitcairne]] pro indicio operum Archibaldi Pitcarnii auctoris. Haec opera olim sub pagina Anglica erant posita, sed propter Latinam linguam sublata sunt. Possumusne paginam [[Scriptor:Archibaldus Pitcarnius]](?) creare et haec ibi recensere? [[Specialis:Conlationes/&amp;#126;2025-27371-40|&amp;#126;2025-27371-40]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:&amp;#126;2025-27371-40|talk]]) 20:45, 19 Octobris 2025 (UTC)

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::Gratias ago! Nota quaeso quod, ubi pagina creata erit, eam etiam in Vicidata addendam esse, sicut Anglica pagina [[:en:Author:Archibald Pitcairne]]. --[[Specialis:Conlationes/&amp;#126;2025-27371-40|&amp;#126;2025-27371-40]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:&amp;#126;2025-27371-40|talk]]) 08:50, 20 Octobris 2025 (UTC)
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Hi there, @[[Usor:Laura1822|Laura1822]] is transcribing [[Liber:Missale Romanum 1862.djvu]], and needs the characters ℣ and ℟ , and ✠ to display for users, when these are in mainspace. We think it may be necessary to use a special / embedded font to do this, as I think was meant for &lt;nowiki&gt;{{blackletter}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; ({{blackletter|exempli gratia}}; see [[Formula:Blackletter/styles.css]], although this does not seem to be calling a font at the moment). Does anyone have any advice about how we would add a webfont to LAWS's CSS, particularly for ℣ and ℟ ; or if there is a way to use an existing webfont with these characters that might be available to us? (Or if there is some other workable solution). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:58, 24 Octobris 2025 (UTC)

== Vandalismus ==

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== Ad magistratus ==

Magistratus venerabiles, potestisne in [[MediaWiki:Edittools|capsam insertionis]] addere haec: &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;poem&gt;+&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; et &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Versus|+}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;? — Dear admins, сan you add to the [[MediaWiki:Edittools|quick insert toolbar]] &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;poem&gt;+&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; et &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Versus|+}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;? [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 07:09, 3 Februarii 2026 (UTC)

:@[[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]]: done, sorry for the delay. If you need anything else, please ping me, as I don't normally follow the Scriptorium. [[Usor:Candalua|Candalua]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Candalua|disputatio]]) 07:09, 17 Aprilis 2026 (UTC)
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Currently, many templates pull electoral maps from Wikidata using the property [[:d:Property:P1846|P1846]], combined with the qualifier [[:d:Property:P180|P180]]: [[:d:Q19571328|Q19571328]]. 

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{{tl|FI}} is currently broken and ignores the {{para|width}} param. All images are set to the default size, which is usually very large, like in [[Lirica (Ariosto)]]. [[Usor:Trooper57|Trooper57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Trooper57|disputatio]]) 21:06, 31 Maii 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, I guess we should check how it is behaving in the Italian wiki(s)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:16, 7 Iunii 2026 (UTC)

== Copyright problem? Appropriate for here? ==

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* [[Scriptor:Coronus_Tenebrosius]]
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No statement of copyright. No proof of authorship. paginae vanitatis ? [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 08:24, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC)

:Cum iure auctoris problemata non habebimus, si auctor ipse opera exponit. Et si delere consilium capiemus, [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Saumache|magistratus non habemus]], qui hoc faciant. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:37, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:&lt;blockquote&gt;'''Salvete.''' '''Nomen meum est Krunoslav Mrkoci, et ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' est interpretatio nominis mei in linguam Latinam, id est identitas mea Latina.''' '''Confirmo me ipsum auctorem esse omnium operum hic editorum. Opera primum Croatice scripta sunt, hic autem in versione Latina proposita.''' '''Praeterea fere omnia opera mea iam antea Croatice edita sunt in forma typographica. Id praesertim ad carmina mea pertinet, quae primum anno 1998 in libello iuvenili edita sunt, deinde in variis commentariis typis impressis, inter quos eminenter numeratur periodicum litterarium, culturalis et scientificum ''Riječi'' (Latine: ''Verba''), quod bis delectum e carminibus meis protulit.''' '''Item magna pars commentationum aliarumque prosarum, quae hic in linguam Latinam conversa sunt, iam antea et typis et forma electronica in Croatia divulgata est.'''  Quaeso ut attendatis ad paginam meam in Wikidata, ubi tam sub nomine Croatico ''Krunoslav Mrkoci'' quam sub nomine Latino ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' ut auctor operum meorum inscriptus sum. Gratias ago pro lectione. '''Coronus Tenebrosius'''.&lt;/blockquote&gt; [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius|Coronus Tenebrosius]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Coronus Tenebrosius|disputatio]]) 12:23, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC)

== Copying some templates from the English Wikisource ==

Hello,

Would someone please be able to help me get [[s:en:Template:ppoem|en:Template:ppoem]], [[s:en:blackletter|en:blackletter]], [[s:en:Template:he|en:Template:he]], and [[s:en:Template:grc|en:Template:grc]] available to use on this Wikisource, so I can utilize them here? For the blackletter, I've tried [[Formula:Gothica|Gothica]], but that doesn't seem to be rendering properly.

Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 00:04, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)

:@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] I made the shortcut for [[Formula:Graeca]]. You should not need any administror rights to do anything you need, I'll take a look into it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 09:46, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:Blackletter is already here, [[:Formula:Gothica]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:57, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::Hi! @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]], thanks! Just for clarification, do I need to make the template pages in Latin, or is it alright to copy them in English? Also, @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], I mentioned this above, but for some reason, the Gothica template isn't working for me. See [[Pagina:Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf/15]], for example. Any idea why that might be the case? [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 16:16, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] This wiki lacks proper guidelines and recommendations, I would prefer if you translated the template's name, e.g., [[Formula:spatium]] rather than [[Formula:spatio]] but given the international nature of the project (nobody's mother tongue is Latin) best practice should be to add translated names as shortcuts/redirects. Beware adding templates that are already on the wiki under a different name ([[Formula:grc]] was already at [[Formula:Graeca]]). I took a quick look and it seems the fonts used by the blackletter template are not installed on the wiki; the same template does not seem to work on the French Wikisource either. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 17:40, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::::Maybe we have sufficient powers to add the fonts now? Or we can ask someone with additional permissions to do so. But yes I remember now this has been a long standing problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:54, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:::[https://yaytext.com/fraktur/ This converter] 𝔠𝔬𝔫𝔳𝔢𝔯𝔱𝔰 𝔩𝔢𝔱𝔱𝔢𝔯𝔰 𝔱𝔬 𝔉𝔯𝔞𝔨𝔱𝔲𝔯 (because it exists in Unicode as separate characters). &lt;s&gt;However, I'm not sure if such text can be found using a regular search.&lt;/s&gt; No, Wikipedia search finds it. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:48, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::::I looked into using the converter, but I'm running into the issue of lack of compatibility with {{[[Formula:Ls|Ls]]}}. Would it be better to just wait for the font to be added? Do we have any idea when that will happen/who needs to be contacted for that to happen?
::::Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 19:34, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:::::These Unicode characters don't feel right on my labtop, they have heigth issues among other things. I went and asked on two different wikis about the fonts, I will come back to you when I get some answers. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 19:41, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:[[Formula:Poema recte formatum]] or [[Formula:Ppoem]] now work, altho there's issues with the documentation page. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:52, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 21:20, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)


:{{tl|blackletter}} was not working for me, even after locally installing UnifrakturMaguntia from Google fonts, until I restarted my web browser, which also followed my rebooting. Also, it can't be just any gothic/blackletter font, but must be one of these Fraktur fonts: UnifrakturMaguntia UnifrakturCook  Unifraktur. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 21:19, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Demetrius Talpa|JimKillock|Erblanchard57}} Fonts are downloaded locally, you need to go to Modi/Praeferentiae &gt; Proprietates &gt; Sermonis delectus &gt; Plura &gt; Scripturae and toggle &quot;Download fonts when needed&quot;. The option seems not to be that easy to toggle on by default. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 10:56, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, great. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:09, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you very much! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 15:57, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::English WS seems to pull the font in from a repository. I've copied over the module ULS, css etc, would be good to know if it has made any difference. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:::{{blackletter|fraktur}} etc [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I just deactivated the &quot;download fonts when needed&quot; option for a second to see if it would work without it, and it still doesn't. [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 04:32, 19 Iunii 2026 (UTC)

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== De transclusione libri nondum bis perlecti ==

Salvete omnes, I finished the first proofreading pass of Michael Praetorius's [[Liber:PRAETORIUS,_Michael_-_Syntagma_musicum_1.djvu|''Syntagma musicum'' (volume 1)]]. Every page now has the &quot;Proofread&quot; status, except that a few are also &quot;Validated&quot;. I expect it will take quite a while before the whole book gets that second read, if it ever will.

My question: is it already acceptable to transclude the text into the main namespace at this stage, even though most pages are only single-proofread rather than validated? Or is there a convention on this Wikisource that a work should be fully validated before merging onto the mainspace?

Gratias vobis ago pro consiliis vestris. [[Usor:Sakvaka|Sakvaka]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Sakvaka|disputatio]]) 09:16, 25 Iulii 2026 (UTC)

:Of course, this is acceptable; the texts there are of very different quality. Besides, transclusion slightly increases the chances that someone will find it for re-examination. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:40, 25 Iulii 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you for confirmation! -- [[Usor:Sakvaka|Sakvaka]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Sakvaka|disputatio]]) 07:02, 26 Iulii 2026 (UTC)

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== Metamorphoses (Apuleius)/Psyche et Cupido ==
[[Usor:Saumache]] paginam “[[Metamorphoses (Apuleius)/Psyche et Cupido]]” [[Specialis:Diff/86153/253177|ad deletionem celerem proposuit]], sed scriptum mihi videtur ex alia editione ortum esse atque ideo non esse delendum. Pittacium idcirco e pagina detraxi. --[[Usor:Grufo|Grufo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Grufo|disputatio]]) 20:50, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC)

:Nam eaedem quidem editiones sunt, quibusdam minusculis in maiusculas versis litteris formaque apostropharum solum differunt. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 21:08, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC)

== Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default ==

Hi @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] and others, I noticed that [[:Formula:Littera s longa]] has been changed so that &lt;nowiki&gt;{{s}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; produces ſ rather than s by default. This is in contrast to for example English Wikipedia which allows it as a user option, but assumes it is &quot;s&quot; by default. 

For other formulae, eg {{um}}, {{us}}, {{que}}, etc these are &quot;off&quot; by default. Likewise {{ae}}, {{oe}} I believe are off by default currently.

There various ways that this can work, for example:
* we could provide a user switch for either state per symbol, etc (with JS, as per EN.WS)
* we can provide advice about applying fonts, etc, that can set ſ, ae/oe ligatures, etc, through css preferences
* CSS can specify some of this per book (not all ligatures, eg {{que}} can be applied through CSS, and it depends on installed fonts in some cases)
* we ''might'' be able to apply a default javascript switch behaviour per book rather than sitewide

I don't have a massive preference for s over ſ, or ae / oe over or æ / œ ; but we should I think at least allow users to easily switch, especially re ſ if it is the default.

Just throwing it out there for discussion, to see what the general feeling / preference would be. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:40, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC)

:I lacked the rights to have it be toggled on and off through a gadget, we should ask interface administrators to do it, that should be the best way about it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 22:45, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC)

== Portal pages ==

Hi all, 

I'd like to suggest we create a few &quot;Portal&quot; pages for some key topics, so we can detail what is good and why rather than just provide category pages. There's a need for a page for introductory Latin, for example, which could explain levels of suitability of texts. See also [[#Navigation and validation]] above

To do this, we need community consensus to add a namespace, and then, it is done through a request at Phabricator. The namespace would define what this group of pages were called eg [[Portus:Index]] and also the name of the &quot;Disputatio&quot; (discussion) pages. 

Please let me know if you agree with this proposal or not, so we can demonstrate consensus for the change to be made. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:50, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC)

:cc @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]]@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:12, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, sure (regardless, the Vicifons namespace could be used meanwhile to do some testing for the content). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 12:25, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC)
::Ok (even if I'm a inactive admin... :-( ) [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 12:55, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC)
:::I totatlly agree! - [[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:OrbiliusMagister|disputatio]]) 13:28, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC)</text>
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== Request for updating the text of the Clementine Bible ==

Two months ago, at [[Disputatio:Vulgata Clementina#The Clementine Vulgate Project dead?]] I noted that the links related to ''The Clementine Vulgate Project'', the main source used for the text of the [[Vulgata Clementina]], were dead.

Fortunately, the list of changes made since the import of on Wikisource can be found [https://web.archive.org/web/20240122025223/https://vulsearch.sourceforge.net/clemtext.rss here]. There is also [https://bitbucket.org/clementinetextproject/text/downloads/ a repository] (although I am not sure if it is up to date).

I have no experience in programming or making imports. So, could someone please update the text of [[Vulgata Clementina]] of Wikisource to use the latest version of ''The Clementine Vulgate Project''? [[Usor:Veverve|Veverve]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Veverve|disputatio]]) 10:01, 23 Februarii 2025 (UTC)

:@[[Usor:Ser be etre shi|Ser be etre shi]] Are you able to help with this? Ping in case so. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:27, 3 Iulii 2025 (UTC)
:@[[Usor:Veverve|Veverve]] Just checking these look like quite a small number of changes, is that right? It may be easiest to do these manually. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:38, 24 Octobris 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|JimKillock}} well, my Latin is almost nonexistent, so I cannot do it myself sadly. [[Usor:Veverve|Veverve]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Veverve|disputatio]]) 18:21, 24 Octobris 2025 (UTC)

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== Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s) ==

On EN wikisource, they have a template &lt;nowiki&gt;{{longs}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to produce ''ſ'' on the transcription page, and by default, ''s'' on the ebook page. users on EN WS can toggle these on and off. 

In this book, [[:la:Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']], there are a number of unusual characters that could do with toggling: ''ſ (s); ß (ss); ẽ (en / em) ũ (un / um) æ (ae) ę (ae) õ (on / om) ã (an / am) œ (oe)''. ([[:formula:ls]] already exists here for ſ, and some other characters semi-implemented at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] but the toggling is not switched on.)

In order to implement this:

(1) What would LA WiCategoria:Formulae litterarumkisource need to enable for user toggling of special characters?

(2) Who would I contact (assuming this is an admin task)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:06, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)

:It looks like it would need this installing, as a start: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js|MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:13, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|OrbiliusMagister}} as the only active magister! --[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:16, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|SZC 03}} in case you have an opinion (you made changes at the De Pricipia transcription project which we could implement better with this toggle feature). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:31, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)
::I would like to point out that not all of the listed characters are of the same kind: 
::* ſ is a variant of s; 
::* ß, æ and œ are [[:w:en:Ligature (writing)|ligatures]] of ſs, ae and oe respectively ([[:w:en:E caudata|ę]] can represent both ae or oe); 
::* ã, ẽ, õ, ũ are used to indicate [[:w:en:Scribal abbreviation|abbreviations]].
::Personally I think it would be somewhat useful to implement the toggle feature only for æ and œ, since of all the ligatures they are the only ones that carry some meaning (that ae or oe in that word is a diphthong) and the only ones that easily show up in search results and correctly displayed in web-browsers.
::Note that both English and Italian wikisources in their transcription guidelines take in consideration the ability of both modern readers and search engines to correctly interpret the character shown (see [[:en:Wikisource:Style guide/Orthography]] and [[:it:Wikisource:Convenzioni di trascrizione]]). Though it would be useful to write rules specific to the Latin wikisource.
::I hope these considerations were of any help. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 07:58, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC)
::In regards to the [[Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']] it would be appropriate to encode the text in a way that we do not lose your work of accurately transcribing the above characters, while still showing to the end user a normalized form. My edit was trying to achieve this with the templates currently in wikisource.
::From a technical standpoint, it would be useful to have a general template not specific to any character that could be used both in ''ad hoc'' situations, and in creating other templates.
::Also if such a template is created for abbreviations it should behave differently from the long s and ligatures, since 1) the text displayed is context dependent, and 2) it is common use in diplomatic transcriptions to show the abbreviated characters in parentheses (so I were taught in paleography class). 
::To give an example of point 2 from the text ([[Pagina:Nicolaus_Machiavellus_De_Principe.pdf/69|page 45]], line 11):
::Original text: Iãq́ꝫ
::Diplomatic transcription: Ia(m)q(ue)
::Standard transcription: Iamque  
::I’m sorry for the lengthy comments. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:02, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC)
:::I agree something adhoc would be helpful. The template would need to specify 
:::* the text as-is and
:::* the modernised version
:::and hopefully there would be a system to pick up which to display.
:::In terms of the display: this could be the js system, perhaps adapted, that we have on en.ws, or possibly it could be an adjustment to the page templates set up, to allow two different books, or sets of pages, to be presented. This would have the advantage that exports would facilitate both (IDK but suspect that exports support the default rather than user choice). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 15:48, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC)
:::I have set out this information in a [[Usor:JimKillock/Orthography|table]] including information about dictionary lookups and likely search engine issues. In short, from a user perspective, all the characters can be problematic, but æ and œ work within Alpheios for dictionary lookups, so are a bit more tolerable than the others from a default perspective. However I think it is useful tobe able to see and use the originals for some people, eg those practicing reading Renaissance scans etc; or researchers or academics looking to use source texts. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:09, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|Alex brollo}}, {{ping|VIGNERON}}, {{ping|Candalua}} in case you can help. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:38, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)
::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] Interesting question. I'll take a look to the ensource template to understand how it works (I hope it is not based on javascript). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 06:18, 1 Maii 2025 (UTC)
:::I’m afraid it is based on javascript: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]]
:::To see the button you have to enable the [[:en:Help:Gadget-Visibility|Visibility gadget]]. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:12, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] checking in whether we can implement this, or find another solution. I am holding off further changes until I know how to proceed - but I am sure there should be a way to do this! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:40, 19 Maii 2025 (UTC)
:::Noting this question comes up again at [[:Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] (I have [[Disputatio Libri:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|left a note there]]). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:08, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
::::OK, I have developed templates as this is holding up other people's work. I have based each template on the existing [[:formula:ls]], and avoid duplicating those that already exist using the same method at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]]. Meantime if anyone has further thoughts about using Visibility Gadget or going another way, I would be very grateful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:02, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] I have made a very basic template for flexible character switching at [[Formula:Scr]]; this returns the first entry on the book page, and the second in main space, eg &lt;nowiki&gt;{{scr|qꝫ|que}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; would work the same as &lt;nowiki&gt;{{que}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;. 
:::::However there is advice on ENWS not to use characters but use HTML entities for CSS reasons, so it is probably better for users to use specific templates. For example, I also created &lt;nowiki&gt;{{po}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; which allows a user to decide what it might best represent, eg &lt;nowiki&gt;{{po|;}} or {{po|?}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;.
:::::In general, using set templates like &lt;nowiki&gt;{{que}}, {{em}}, {{um}}, {{etc}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; is much easier for proofing, so I think I will continue to add these where it seems useful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:29, 24 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
::::::Hi folks, so that you know, I have made something of a workaround to be able to enable these features, which works well enough for me. I will perhaps add some guidance somewhere. What I have done:
::::::# Installed the font Garamontio, as it has the qꝫ character, and all the possible ligatures
::::::# Created custom css to apply Garamontio to Wikisource as a whole;  at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.css]]; and
::::::# Created (vibecoded) custom javascript at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.js]]
::::::The second script looks for the various spans with the css style typographic-long-s, and replaces the characters as appropriate. This seems to work surprisingly well, Garamontio does all of the discretionary ligatures etc, and is a very well designed font (fork of EB Garamond, with some extra touches useful here). The issue is of course that this applies to the whole of Latin Wikisource all of the time. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:35, 25 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], reading this I wanted to tell you that you could apply styles to a index page, but I see you have already figured it out. Kudos on your progress. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 09:56, 9 Iulii 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Thanks @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]]; my list of scribal transformations has got quite long tho. And I need to check on the possible logic of it, some needs to hide and unhide, rather than search and replace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:27, 11 Iulii 2025 (UTC)

== We will be enabling the new Charts extension on your wiki soon! ==

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Hi all! We have good news to share regarding the ongoing problem with graphs and charts affecting all wikis that use them.

As you probably know, the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|old Graph extension]] was disabled in 2023 [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/EWL4AGBEZEDMNNFTM4FRD4MHOU3CVESO/|due to security reasons]]. We’ve worked in these two years to find a solution that could replace the old extension, and provide a safer and better solution to users who wanted to showcase graphs and charts in their articles. We therefore developed the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Charts extension]], which will be replacing the old Graph extension and potentially also the [[:mw:Extension:EasyTimeline|EasyTimeline extension]].

After successfully deploying the extension on Italian, Swedish, and Hebrew Wikipedia, as well as on MediaWiki.org, as part of a pilot phase, we are now happy to announce that we are moving forward with the next phase of deployment, which will also include your wiki.

The deployment will happen in batches, and will start from '''May 6'''. Please, consult [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|our page on MediaWiki.org]] to discover when the new Charts extension will be deployed on your wiki. You can also [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|consult the documentation]] about the extension on MediaWiki.org.

If you have questions, need clarifications, or just want to express your opinion about it, please refer to the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension_talk:Chart/Project|project’s talk page on Mediawiki.org]], or ping me directly under this thread. If you encounter issues using Charts once it gets enabled on your wiki, please report it on the [[:mw:Extension_talk:Chart/Project|talk page]] or at [[phab:tag/charts|Phabricator]].

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== &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;Call for Candidates for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C)&lt;/span&gt; ==

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You may now [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025/Candidates|submit your candidacy to serve on the U4C]] through 29 May 2025 at 12:00 UTC. Information about [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025|eligibility, process, and the timeline are on Meta-wiki]]. Voting on candidates will open on 1 June 2025 and run for two weeks, closing on 15 June 2025 at 12:00 UTC.

If you have any questions, you can ask on [[m:Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025|the discussion page for the election]]. -- in cooperation with the U4C, &lt;/div&gt;&lt;section end=&quot;announcement-content&quot; /&gt;
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== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 Maii 2025 (UTC)
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== &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions&lt;/span&gt; ==

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
* July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5]
* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

Board Liaison to the Elections Committee

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== Administrator backlog? ==

Hi there,

I am noticing a lot of pages that say that the current version is not checked; and versions I have amended are not (apparently) displayed because they need approval. Am I right in assuming this is due to a lack of (active) administrator time? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:53, 30 Maii 2025 (UTC)

:Relatedly @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] / @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] / other admins, [[Colloquia familiaria]] has an old index page and other old sub pages which could do with changes being approved. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:58, 12 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
::Ping on this, some of the sub pages are quite broken. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:42, 28 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:I have tried to fix the lack of text in ePub export for [[Noctes Atticae]].
:Unfortunately, it seems that all my submissions require approval (last approval seems to have taken place more than five years ago).
:Is there any way to have &lt;code&gt;class=&quot;ws-export&quot;&lt;/code&gt; to the second &lt;code&gt;&amp;lt;table&amp;gt;&lt;/code&gt; from [[Noctes Atticae]]?
:Many thanks for your help, [[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 19:09, 15 Augusti 2025 (UTC)
::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] Checking you know this is working now [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:21, 18 Augusti 2026 (UTC)

== Vote now in the 2025 U4C Election ==

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Eligible voters are asked to participate in the 2025 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee]] election. More information–including an eligibility check, voting process information, candidate information, and a link to the vote–are available on Meta at the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Election/2025|2025 Election information page]]. The vote closes on 17 June 2025 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1750161600 12:00 UTC].

Please vote if your account is eligible. Results will be available by 1 July 2025. -- In cooperation with the U4C, [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 23:01, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) &lt;/div&gt;
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== Mnemonics Book in Latin ==

Dear all,

Over the past month, with the help of others, I’ve been compiling a list of older and often overlooked books on mnemonic techniques available on [[:en:Portal:Mnemonics|Wikisource English]]. Many of these works—some dating back decades or even centuries—offer fascinating insights into how memory has been understood, trained, and improved across different cultures and time periods.

I've recently added a new section to the portal: &quot;Multilingual Works on Mnemonic Techniques.&quot; This is in part because several of the English-language texts reference related works in other languages, particularly Latin.

Unfortunately, many of these referenced works are written in Classical Latin, and my ability to work with them is quite limited—I’ve done what I can, but they remain largely inaccessible to me.

If anyone has expertise in Classical Latin and might be willing to help with these texts, your assistance would be greatly appreciated.

* ''[[:la:Foenix|Foenix]] by [[w:en:Peter of Ravenna|Peter of Ravenna]]'' (1491)
* ''[[:la:Congestorium Artificiose Memorie|Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]'' by Johann Horst von Romberch (1533)

[[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032259.jpg|150px]][[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032269.jpg|150px]]

Here is a discussion form on it 

https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/johannes-romberchs-congestorium-artificiose-memorie/30174

Warm regards [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 23:15, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC)

:Hi there, I could help proofing texts you have prepared perhaps? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:57, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:: Thanks for offering—I’d really appreciate your help with proofreading.
:: We have two books. Which one would you like to start with?
::*[[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]]
::*[[Liber:Congestorium artificiose memorie ... - V.P.F. Joa(n)nis Romberch de Kyrspe. Regularis obseruantie predicatorie- (IA hin-wel-all-00002875-001).pdf]]
::[[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 21:49, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:::I can do the pages you have put into the first, as a start for you. BTW the transcribed text does not always look like it originated from the source. It is very correct, but some has different orthography and missed certain parts. That is fine of course if we are correcting to the original. (PS: you might want to create a user account so that you can be notified of replies, hide your IP address, etc). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:57, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:::I had a go at the first page or two; some of the orthography was removed while other parts were kept. I kept all of it as a first go. See the discussion above about how we treat orthography, hopefully we can address this with templates. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:11, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
::::I'm using Google OCR and some AI tools to pull out text and sometimes translate it into English so I can understand it. If anyone could help me proofread or check it, I’d be super grateful! [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 00:50, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
:::::I have added all the templates we need for the special characters / orthography, I will start doing the pages with those. The end result will be that on the main space ebook pages, the chars will toggle on and off, at least once that is properly implemented. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:25, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
::::::Noted, sounds good. I’ll try adding to the other pages next time. [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 22:10, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC)

== &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 - Call for Candidates&lt;/span&gt; ==

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Hello all,

The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025|call for candidates for the 2025 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees selection is now open]] from June 17, 2025 – July 2, 2025 at 11:59 UTC [1]. The Board of Trustees oversees the Wikimedia Foundation's work, and each Trustee serves a three-year term [2]. This is a volunteer position.

This year, the Wikimedia community will vote in late August through September 2025 to fill two (2) seats on the Foundation Board. Could you – or someone you know – be a good fit to join the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees? [3]

Learn more about what it takes to stand for these leadership positions and how to submit your candidacy on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Candidate application|this Meta-wiki page]] or encourage someone else to run in this year's election.

Best regards,

Abhishek Suryawanshi&lt;br /&gt;
Chair of the Elections Committee

On behalf of the Elections Committee and Governance Committee

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Call_for_candidates

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal:Bylaws#(B)_Term.

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== [[De Principe]] ==

Si vis, quaeso, me adiuva ut liber novus ''[[De Principe]]'' correctus sit et erroribus liber. Nuper completus, ab aliquo alio corrigendus est. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:14, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC)

== &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;Sister Projects Task Force reviews Wikispore and Wikinews&lt;/span&gt; ==

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Dear Wikimedia Community,

The [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee|Community Affairs Committee (CAC)]]  of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees assigned [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Sister Projects Task Force|the Sister Projects Task Force (SPTF)]] to update and implement a procedure for assessing the lifecycle of Sister Projects – wiki [[m:Wikimedia projects|projects supported by Wikimedia Foundation (WMF)]].

A vision of relevant, accessible, and impactful free knowledge has always guided the Wikimedia Movement. As the ecosystem of Wikimedia projects continues to evolve, it is crucial that we periodically review existing projects to ensure they still align with our goals and community capacity.

Despite their noble intent, some projects may no longer effectively serve their original purpose. '''Reviewing such projects is not about giving up – it's about responsible stewardship of shared resources'''. Volunteer time, staff support, infrastructure, and community attention are finite, and the non-technical costs tend to grow significantly as our ecosystem has entered a different age of the internet than the one we were founded in. Supporting inactive projects or projects that didn't meet our ambitions can unintentionally divert these resources from areas with more potential impact.

Moreover, maintaining projects that no longer reflect the quality and reliability of the Wikimedia name stands for, involves a reputational risk. An abandoned or less reliable project affects trust in the Wikimedia movement.

Lastly, '''failing to sunset or reimagine projects that are no longer working can make it much harder to start new ones'''. When the community feels bound to every past decision – no matter how outdated – we risk stagnation. A healthy ecosystem must allow for evolution, adaptation, and, when necessary, letting go. If we create the expectation that every project must exist indefinitely, we limit our ability to experiment and innovate.

Because of this, SPTF reviewed two requests concerning the lifecycle of the Sister Projects to work through and demonstrate the review process. We chose Wikispore as a case study for a possible new Sister Project opening and Wikinews as a case study for a review of an existing project. Preliminary findings were discussed with the CAC, and a community consultation on both proposals was recommended.

=== Wikispore ===

The [[m:Wikispore|application to consider Wikispore]] was submitted in 2019. SPTF decided to review this request in more depth because rather than being concentrated on a specific topic, as most of the proposals for the new Sister Projects are, Wikispore has the potential to nurture multiple start-up Sister Projects.

After careful consideration, the SPTF has decided '''not to recommend''' Wikispore as a Wikimedia Sister Project. Considering the current activity level, the current arrangement allows '''better flexibility''' and experimentation while WMF provides core infrastructural support. 

We acknowledge the initiative's potential and seek community input on what would constitute a sufficient level of activity and engagement to reconsider its status in the future.

As part of the process, we shared the decision with the Wikispore community and invited one of its leaders, Pharos, to an SPTF meeting.

Currently, we especially invite feedback on measurable criteria indicating the project's readiness, such as contributor numbers, content volume, and sustained community support. This would clarify the criteria sufficient for opening a new Sister Project, including possible future Wikispore re-application. However, the numbers will always be a guide because any number can be gamed.

=== Wikinews ===

We chose to review Wikinews among existing Sister Projects because it is the one for which we have observed the highest level of concern in multiple ways.

Since the SPTF was convened in 2023, its members have asked for the community's opinions during conferences and community calls about Sister Projects that did not fulfil their promise in the Wikimedia movement.[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WCNA_2024._Sister_Projects_-_opening%3F_closing%3F_merging%3F_splitting%3F.pdf &lt;nowiki&gt;[1]&lt;/nowiki&gt;][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Sister_Projects_Task_Force#Wikimania_2023_session_%22Sister_Projects:_past,_present_and_the_glorious_future%22 &lt;nowiki&gt;[2]&lt;/nowiki&gt;][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F &lt;nowiki&gt;[3]&lt;/nowiki&gt;] Wikinews was the leading candidate for an evaluation because people from multiple language communities proposed it. Additionally, by most measures, it is the least active Sister Project, with the greatest drop in activity over the years.

While the Language Committee routinely opens and closes language versions of the Sister Projects in small languages, there has never been a valid proposal to close Wikipedia in major languages or any project in English. This is not true for Wikinews, where there was a proposal to close English Wikinews, which gained some traction but did not result in any action[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_English_Wikinews &lt;nowiki&gt;[4]&lt;/nowiki&gt;][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F &lt;nowiki&gt;[5]&lt;/nowiki&gt;, see section 5] as well as a draft proposal to close all languages of Wikinews[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_closing_projects/Archive_2#Close_Wikinews_completely,_all_languages? &lt;nowiki&gt;[6]&lt;/nowiki&gt;].

[[:c:File:Sister Projects Taskforce Wikinews review 2024.pdf|Initial metrics]] compiled by WMF staff also support the community's concerns about Wikinews.

Based on this report, SPTF recommends a community reevaluation of Wikinews. We conclude that its current structure and activity levels are the lowest among the existing sister projects. SPTF also recommends pausing the opening of new language editions while the consultation runs.

SPTF brings this analysis to a discussion and welcomes discussions of alternative outcomes, including potential restructuring efforts or integration with other Wikimedia initiatives.

'''Options''' mentioned so far (which might be applied to just low-activity languages or all languages) include but are not limited to:
*Restructure how Wikinews works and is linked to other current events efforts on the projects,
*Merge the content of Wikinews into the relevant language Wikipedias, possibly in a new namespace,
*Merge content into compatibly licensed external projects,
*Archive Wikinews projects.
Your insights and perspectives are invaluable in shaping the future of these projects. We encourage all interested community members to share their thoughts on the relevant discussion pages or through other designated feedback channels.

=== Feedback and next steps ===

We'd be grateful if you want to take part in a conversation on the future of these projects and the review process. We are setting up two different project pages: [[m:Public consultation about Wikispore|Public consultation about Wikispore]] and [[m:Public consultation about Wikinews|Public consultation about Wikinews]]. Please participate between 27 June 2025 and 27 July 2025, after which we will summarize the discussion to move forward. You can write in your own language.

I will also host a community conversation 16th July Wednesday 11.00 UTC and 17th July Thursday 17.00 UTC (call links to follow shortly) and will be around at Wikimania for more discussions. 
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== Latin incunabula and other early books ==

Expanding a bit on what I mentioned above, re character toggling, and also working on the books [[Foenix]] and [[Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae]]
* the Transkribus Latin Incunabula scan does a great job on the heavy gothic style print
* I will see how it does with more Garamond-style texts, in case it works with these
* I have developed a fairly full set of templates for scribal characters, see [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]]
* I am thinking about using a bot to wholesale search and replace long s, and other scribal characters mapped there
Between these things, the work to transcribe and correct early printed Latin books should be very much reduced. If anyone feels like helping test this out, do give me shout. Meantime I will run tests on Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae to check how well the bot system works. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:50, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC)

:The folks at Wikisource helped create a JS solution for this, see [[Usor:JimKillock/incunabula.js]]. The script does a search and replace for what is needed, on the '''first save of a new book page'''; these are the settings for the Incunabula style section of [[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|this scan, p 52 onwards]]  for [[Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]. It seems to work very well and is extremely labour saving! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 22:59, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC)

== Navigation and validation ==

Hi there, 

I would like to do some work on navigation, to provide some &quot;portal&quot; pages similar to EN Wikisource. For example, this would help with learner texts a lot 9I often get asked how to find these texts, I point to the category pages, but these are very basic.

I would also like to know what we should do about page validation. Some really necessary changes are currently languishing in the backlog. This is an admin only task: should we asking for more administrators, or is this something existing admins here can take on? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 14:08, 13 Iulii 2025 (UTC)
:Hi {{U|JimKillock}} good idea, don't hesitate to start and/or ask for help. That said, I'm not sure to see why this is an admin task (even if, yes, the underlying point is true, we need more admins). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:31, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think the Portal namespace and some modules need setting up which require admin permissions, I will dig a bit further and come back to you. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

== Wikidata Item and Property labels soon displayed in Wiki Watchlist/Recent Changes ==

''(Apologies for posting in English, you can help by translating into your language)''

Hello everyone, the [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects]] team is excited to announce an upcoming change in how Wikidata edit changelogs are displayed in your [[Special:Watchlist|Watchlists]] and [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]] lists. If an edit is made on Wikidata that affects a page in another Wikimedia Project, the changelog will contain some information about the nature of the edit. This can include a QID (or Q-number), a PID (or P-number) and a value (which can be text, numbers, dates, or also QID or PID’s). Confused by these terms? See the [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Glossary|Wikidata:Glossary]] for further explanations.

The upcoming change is scheduled for '''17.07.2025''', between '''1300 - 1500 UTC'''.
The change will display the label (item name) alongside any QID or PIDs, as seen in the image below:
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These changes will only be visible if you have Wikidata edits enabled in your User Preferences for Watchlists and Recent Changes, or have the active filter ‘Wikidata edits’ checkbox toggled on, directly on the Watchlist and Recent Changes pages.

Your bot and gadget may be affected! There are thousands of bots, gadgets and user-scripts and whilst we have researched potential effects to many of them, we cannot guarantee there won’t be some that are broken or affected by this change.

Further information and context about this change, including how your bot may be affected can be found on this [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|project task page]]. We welcome your questions and feedback, please write to us on this dedicated [[m:Talk:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Talk page]].

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== &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;  Upcoming Deployment of the CampaignEvents Extension&lt;/span&gt; ==

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Hello everyone,  

''(Apologies for posting in English if English is not your first language. Please help translate to your language.)''

The Campaigns Product Team is planning a global deployment of the '''[[:mw:Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]]''' to all Wikisource, including this Wikisource, during the '''week of August 25th'''.

This extension is designed to help organizers plan and manage events, WikiProjects, and other on-wiki collaborations - and to make these efforts more discoverable.

The three main features of this extension are:

* '''[[:m:Event_Center/Registration|Event Registration]]''': A simple way to sign up for events on the wiki.
*  '''[[:m:CampaignEvents/Collaboration_list|Collaboration List]]''': A global list of events and a local list of WikiProjects, accessible at '''[[:m:Special:AllEvents|Special:AllEvents]]'''.
*  '''[[:m:Campaigns/Foundation_Product_Team/Invitation_list|Invitation Lists]]''': A tool to help organizers find editors who might want to join, based on their past contributions.

'''Note''': The extension comes with a new user right called '''&quot;Event Organizer&quot;''', which will be managed by administrators on this Wikisource. Organizer tools like Event Registration and Invitation Lists will only work if someone is granted this right. The Collaboration List is available to everyone immediately after deployment.

The extension is already live on several wikis, including '''all Wikipedia, Meta, Wikidata''', and more ( [[m:CampaignEvents/Deployment_status#Current_Deployment_Status_for_CampaignEvents_extension| See the full deployment list]])

If you have any questions, concerns, or feedback, please feel free to share them on the [[m:Talk:CampaignEvents| extension talkpage]]. We’d love to hear from you before the rollout.

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== &lt;span lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;Temporary accounts will be rolled out soon&lt;/span&gt; ==

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Hello, we are the Wikimedia Foundation [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity|Product Safety and Integrity]] team. We would like to announce that '''we plan to enable [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] for this wiki in the week of September 1'''.

Temporary accounts are successfully live on 30 wikis, including many large ones like German, Japanese, and French. The change they bring is especially relevant to logged-out editors, who this feature is designed to protect. But it is also relevant to community members like mentors, patrollers, and admins – anyone who reverts edits, blocks users, or otherwise interacts with logged-out editors as part of keeping the wikis safe and accurate. 

'''Why we are building temporary accounts'''

Our wikis should be safer to edit by default for logged-out editors. Temporary accounts allow people to continue editing the wikis without creating an account, while avoiding publicly tying their edits to their IP address. We believe this is in the best interest of our logged-out editors, who make valuable contributions to the wikis and who may later create accounts and grow our community of editors, admins, and other roles. Even though the wikis do warn logged-out editors that their IP address will be associated with their edit, many people may not understand what an IP address is, or that it could be used to connect them to other information about them in ways they might not expect. 

Additionally, our moderation software and tools rely too heavily on network origin (IP addresses) to identify users and patterns of activity, especially as IP addresses themselves are becoming less stable as identifiers. Temporary accounts allow for more precise interactions with logged-out editors, including more precise blocks, and can help limit how often we unintentionally end up blocking good-faith users who use the same IP addresses as bad-faith users.

'''How temporary accounts work'''
[[File:Temporary account banner and empty talk page.png|thumb]]
Any time a logged-out user publishes an edit on this wiki, a cookie will be set in this user's browser, and a temporary account tied with this cookie will be automatically created. This account's name will follow the pattern: &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;~2025-12345-67&lt;/code&gt; (a tilde, current year, a number). On pages like Recent Changes or page history, this name will be displayed. The cookie will expire 90 days after its creation. As long as it exists, all edits made from this device will be attributed to this temporary account. It will be the same account even if the IP address changes, unless the user clears their cookies or uses a different device or web browser. A record of the IP address used at the time of each edit will be stored for 90 days after the edit. However, only some logged-in users will be able to see it.

'''What does this mean for different groups of users?'''

'''For logged-out editors'''

* This increases privacy: currently, if you do not use a registered account to edit, then everybody can see the IP address for the edits you made, even after 90 days. That will no longer be possible on this wiki.
* If you use a temporary account to edit from different locations in the last 90 days (for example at home and at a coffee shop), the edit history and the IP addresses for all those locations will now be recorded together, for the same temporary account. Users who [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Access_to_temporary_account_IP_addresses|meet the relevant requirements]] will be able to view this data. If this creates any personal security concerns for you, please contact talktohumanrights at wikimedia.org for advice.

'''For community members interacting with logged-out editors'''

* A temporary account is uniquely linked to a device. In comparison, an IP address can be shared with different devices and people (for example, different people at school or at work might have the same IP address).
* Compared to the current situation, it will be safer to assume that a temporary user's talk page belongs to only one person, and messages left there will be read by them. As you can see in the screenshot, temporary account users will receive notifications. It will also be possible to thank them for their edits, ping them in discussions, and invite them to get more involved in the community.

'''For users who use IP address data to moderate and maintain the wiki'''

* '''For patrollers''' who track persistent abusers, investigate violations of policies, etc.: Users who [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Access_to_temporary_account_IP_addresses|meet the requirements]] will be able to reveal temporary users' IP addresses and all contributions made by temporary accounts from a specific IP address or range ([[Special:IPContributions]]). They will also have access to useful information about the IP addresses thanks to the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/IP Info|IP Info]] feature. Many other pieces of software have been built or adjusted to work with temporary accounts, including AbuseFilter, global blocks, Global User Contributions, and more. (For information for volunteer developers on how to update the code of your tools – see the last part of the message.)
* '''For admins blocking logged-out editors''':
** It will be possible to block many abusers by just blocking their temporary accounts. A blocked person won't be able to create new temporary accounts quickly if the admin selects the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Autoblock|autoblock]] option.
** It will still be possible to block an IP address or IP range.
* Temporary accounts will not be retroactively applied to contributions made before the deployment. On Special:Contributions, you will be able to see existing IP user contributions, but not new contributions made by temporary accounts on that IP address. Instead, you should use Special:IPContributions for this.

'''Our requests for you, and next steps'''

* If you know of any tools, bots, gadgets etc. using data about IP addresses or being available for logged-out users, you may want to test if they work on [[testwiki:Main_Page|testwiki]] or [[test2wiki:Main_Page|test2wiki]]. If you are a volunteer developer, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers|read our documentation for developers]], and in particular, the section on [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers#How should I update my code?|how your code might need to be updated]].
* If you want to test the temporary account experience, for example just to check what it feels like, go to testwiki or test2wiki and edit without logging in.
* Tell us if you know of any difficulties that need to be addressed. We will try to help, and if we are not able, we will consider the available options.
* Look at our [[m:Meta:Babel#Temporary_Accounts:_access_to_IP_addresses_and_next_steps|previous message]] about requirements for users without extended rights who may need access to IP addresses.

To learn more about the project, check out [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/FAQ|our FAQ]] – you will find many useful answers there. You may also [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/Updates|look at the updates]] (we have just posted one) and [[mw:Newsletter:Product Safety and Integrity|subscribe to our new newsletter]]. If you'd like to talk to me (Szymon) off-wiki, you will find me on Discord and Telegram. Thank you!&lt;section end=&quot;body&quot; /&gt;
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== All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae ==

I was looking for templates/formulae by looking at &lt;nowiki&gt;[[Categoria:Formulae]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;

All pages in [[Liber:Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679.djvu]] are in &lt;nowiki&gt;[[Categoria:Formulae]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;

Many (all?) pages in [[Liber:Gallia Christiana, 1715, T1.djvu]] are in &lt;nowiki&gt;[[Categoria:Formulae]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;, like article [[Gallia Christiana 1715 01/Epistola2]]

These all use [[Formula:Sidenotes begin]]. There is one &quot;[https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&amp;oldid=79709&amp;diff=cur pending change]&quot; on this template. But that change puts the category outside the noinclude.
::&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;
::&lt;nowiki&gt;[[Categoria:Formulae]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;

Please either reject the change or move the categoria line. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 04:17, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC)

:Hi @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], I don't think anyone from the admins is monitoring or actioning pending changes currently. (see discussions re admin queues above.) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 05:29, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|Shenme}} {{done}} I excluded the categories. {{ping|JimKillock}} no blame but be careful next time, categories should always be excluded. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:28, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|VIGNERON}} It wasn't @JimKillock who made [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=79709 the problematic change], but someone else [[Usor:Ceciliawolf]]. I noticed the problem, he included the problem a list that got your attention. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 02:46, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Shenme}} yes, but [[Special:Diff/236794]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 06:57, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

== Request for admin status ==

Hi all, given that we have quite a lot of admin requests (mostly relating to &quot;pending&quot; changes), I would like to request administrator status so that some of these can be cleared. If anyone else wants to step up to help out, that would also be welcome. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:23, 1 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

:Ping to @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], @[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]]:, @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]]:, @[[Usor:Candalua|Candalua]]:  in case you feel able to support my request. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:57, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::Hi {{U|JimKillock}},
::I apparently missed it, where do we have « a lot of admin requests » ?
::That said, one more admin is always good, so create the request and I'll support it.
::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:34, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::Hi @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]], 
:::Thank you! On the admin requests, on this page, here are these
:::* [[#All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae]]
:::* [[#It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace]] (which you have replied to)
:::* [[#Navigation and validation]]
:::* [[#Administrator backlog?]]
:::* [[#Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s)]] (altho this has been worked around and may not be needed)
:::Most of these relate to the ''Pending changes'' backlog in various ways; two are requests for new features / modules to be ported across. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks, I see. It doesn't look like a lot to me, I'll try to deal with it today. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:27, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thank you @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] :) You could also take a look at the pending changes on [[Formula:Pagina_prima/Novae_Aetatis]] and [[Moriae encomium]]. The really big job is going through [[Specialis:PendingChanges|pending changes]] altogether - I understand there is a five year backlog. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:36, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::::I see... I had a quick look and all changes seem good. Do we even need this extension on Wikisource? Also, if we keep it, I guess we need more reviewers rather than admins (more admins would be useful too, but that's a separate point). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 10:35, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::Of course, the request needs to be supported; without active administrators it is very inconvenient. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:21, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::What do you need us to do? BTW, it would be great to know why edits require administrator approvals. Sorry, but I‘m afraid this makes contributing almost pointless. Many thanks for your help, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 14:15, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::So there are two reasons it would be helpful for me to be an admin; one is if we carry on with the approval system (it looks like we will not) and the other is around updating or adding certain components, modules for example. There may be other tasks I am not aware of that I could help with, but these are the ones I know about. Implementing Portal pages for example needs some work by an admin AIUI.
:::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] your question re edits needing approval is [[#Do_we_need_to_approve_changes_to_pages|addressed below, here]]. 
:::In terms of what you / others need to do, it seems that if there is a consensus to allow me administrator permissions, then a bueaucrat user would implement it (I mistakenly opening a request at meta, and they referred me back here); so we just need to have your views, yes, no, maybe, etc. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:01, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::The page [[Vicifons:Magistratus]], intended for promotion, seems to be protected; I couldn't edit it (''petitio grapheocrat'''ae''''') and add a category ([[:Categoria:Usores]]). [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:23, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, it seems editable now so I [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Petitio_magistratus|added my request there]], if anyone wants to support it. Regarding ''grapheocrates -ae'', how is this declined? Is it otherwise treated as a masculine first declension? Thinking it ought to be added to Wiktionary as it is missing from there. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:00, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::::This is [https://archive.org/details/calepinusnovus2002/calepinusnovus2002-french-latin/page/n23/mode/1up?q=grapheocrates from Licoppe and Eichenseer]. Yes, this can be added to Wiktionary, I have no experience editing there. Thanks for the corrections, today the system let me in, but yesterday for some unknown reason it didn’t let me in. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:53, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you and no problem. I can add to Wiktionary I hope; is the plural therefore ''grapheocratae''; and is the singular ''grapheocrates'' or ''grapheocrata''? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:14, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Yes, of course. They took the Modern Greek word γραφειοκράτης. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:41, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Great, after a bit of struggle that is at [[:en:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] and  [[:la:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:43, 7 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

== It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace ==

It would require someone with interface admin status to create [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index data config.json]] to replace the current index form parameters ([[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index attributes|very old system]]) with special care to not mass delete information by unadvertedly changing some parameter's name. [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config.json Example from the English Wikisource]. If someone wants to help, please contact me. Regards! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 02:10, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

:Hi @[[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]], potentially - if I have admin status :) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:54, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|Ignacio Rodríguez}} I did a test (by copy-pasting the English page), it works, so no need to be interface admin, being admin is enough.
::I only half understand that paramater page, could you give me the actual content expected ?
::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:38, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't remember all the details but I worked on that page in the Spanish Wikisource almost a decade ago. I'll make a mockup in the talk page, but I can't promise to get all the Latin words right. For ease, parameter names and help tooltips will be in English internally, but they will show in Latin in the form. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::::This was added and it now works perfectly. Thanks! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:25, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

== Do we need to approve changes to pages ==

Hi all,

Moving the discussion regarding the backlog at [[Specialis:PendingChanges]]: @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] asks whether we need to have this feature. I suspect it was switched on because of spam, vandalism, or some other similar issue. Without it we might need to be keeping an eye on recent changes. I am not sure how the proteccted changes permissions works, or whether permissions to make approvals to changes can be delegated more widely. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

:Changes to pages affecting project *function* must be controlled. But it seems that Pending Changes doesn't actually stop changes to something like a template/formula from having effect? See my report about &lt;nowiki&gt;Formula:Sidenotes begin&lt;/nowiki&gt; above.
:And checking a couple of the other initial items in [[Specialis:PendingChanges]], it seems that all pending changes are actually immediately applied to active, visible pages.
:So Pending Changes &lt;u&gt;does not prevent damage&lt;/u&gt; to the project. It is &lt;u&gt;merely a tracking and notification method?&lt;/u&gt;
:That can be useful, but requires a set of people to be change reviewers. And changes to subject matter would seem to require reviewers knowledgeable about the subject? 
:And when changes affect *function*, like templates, who can review and approve those? I'd think only admins.
:The link to monitoring Recent Changes is undeniable. I monitor Recent Changes often at Spanish Wikisource because I've seen the random damage people can do. That is the only way to react quickly to damage. (?) But then that assumes people are checking lists frequently, at least daily. 
:Neither Pending Changes or monitoring Recent Changes prevent damage. They can be only part of a solution to damage. I don't know what to think about Pending Changes ''in isolation''. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 03:48, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} I've got mainly two points :
::* vandlism is low to inexistant on la.ws (and it's already low on most Wikisources), making this extension useless and even problematic. Because it doesn't prevent changes but it prevents them to be effective.
::** Apparently the reason to install is [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_VII#protection_of_completed_works_-_Flagged_Revisions_as_an_alternative?]]
::* this extension is actually caleld [[mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs]] and it's deprecated for years (see [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_XI#Futrue_of_FlaggedRevs_(Pending_Changes)_extension]] or the warning on the extension itself « Flagged Revisions is complex, poorly documented, very clunky, and not recommended for production use »). Also, people on Wikisource don't seem to really master or even using it (including the reviewers rights). Maybe it's aan opportunity to list exactly what we need and find a new extension that fit these needs.
::In the end, I see a lot of cons and only a few pros...
::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:35, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:I haven't seen any vandalism here in years. But if you fix the errors, the &quot;Pending Changes&quot; status means that the fixes will only be visible to registered users. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:10, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} many thanks for your replies. I must admit that I’m an occasional Wikisource (or even Wikipedia contributor). I essentially (or exclusively) contribute corrections.
:Some days ago, I wanted to download an ePub file for the [[Noctes Atticae]] (to do some regexp searches), but the export was wrong. I tried to modify the code (which I have done successfully for the Greek Wikisource many times) and I found out that I needed a ''nihil obstat'' (I’m afraid this would be way to name it).
:Of course, I’m the least interested in vandalism (either contributing it myself, or being any collaborative project being infested/polluted by it). But I think there should be a way of distinguishing between vandalism and non-hardcore (or occasional) contributors.
:I don’t know any perfect system, but it should be worth considering a mixed approach. Approval could be required for: already flagged users (for vandalism) and recent users (how about a five-year publishing embargo?).
:Only to mention a case, my [https://el.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Συμπόσιον_(Πλάτων)&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=49677 first contribution to the Greek Wiksource] was in 2012. I don’t know for how long I have been registered in Wikimedia (I guess this was before 2010).
:This isn’t about myself, the issue here is that Wikisource needs contributions to even exist (not to mention for its growth). If no regular user is allowed to contribute without approval, cooperation is basically non-existing.
:Even with approval, the reply times are incredibly slow (because of the system). It is not that attention spans are getting shorter, time is the most scarce resource we all are (and I don’t have weeks or months to see whether I’m allowed to have [[Noctes Atticae]] as ePub).
:Sorry, the sentence in parentheses isn’t a complaint. Please, do as you please, but my contribution is: consider that you might be making contributions way harder, project growth way slower and administrators’ roles way more complicated (probably, than they could and should be).
:Many thanks for your help and your project, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 17:15, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think there is consensus we can switch this off. Let me know if I can help in any way if you think it's time to switch it off. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:25, 4 Octobris 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks for the reminder and agreed for removal, so I created a task on Phabricator here : [[Phab:T406424]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:42, 5 Octobris 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks for filing this @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] , the Wikimedia tech team seem to have finished their work on this now! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:16, 18 Octobris 2025 (UTC)

== Index page error &quot;Error: Invalid interval&quot; ==

I am getting an error: at [[:Liber:Nos in schola latine loquimur - Ars latine loquendi.pdf]] &quot;Error: Invalid interval&quot; for the paginae listing; even when set to &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;pagelist 1=1 /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;. Any clues appreciated! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:48, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

:This might be the infamous &quot;0x0 bug&quot; that has plagued Wikisource for two? three? years. Normally it resolves doing a purge in both the file page in Commons and in the local Wikisource. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 19:34, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks, that seems to b working now. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:53, 6 Septembris 2025 (UTC)

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Quaeso ut videatis [[:en:Author talk:Archibald Pitcairne|Author talk:Archibald Pitcairne]] pro indicio operum Archibaldi Pitcarnii auctoris. Haec opera olim sub pagina Anglica erant posita, sed propter Latinam linguam sublata sunt. Possumusne paginam [[Scriptor:Archibaldus Pitcarnius]](?) creare et haec ibi recensere? [[Specialis:Conlationes/&amp;#126;2025-27371-40|&amp;#126;2025-27371-40]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:&amp;#126;2025-27371-40|talk]]) 20:45, 19 Octobris 2025 (UTC)

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::Gratias ago! Nota quaeso quod, ubi pagina creata erit, eam etiam in Vicidata addendam esse, sicut Anglica pagina [[:en:Author:Archibald Pitcairne]]. --[[Specialis:Conlationes/&amp;#126;2025-27371-40|&amp;#126;2025-27371-40]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:&amp;#126;2025-27371-40|talk]]) 08:50, 20 Octobris 2025 (UTC)
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Hi there, @[[Usor:Laura1822|Laura1822]] is transcribing [[Liber:Missale Romanum 1862.djvu]], and needs the characters ℣ and ℟ , and ✠ to display for users, when these are in mainspace. We think it may be necessary to use a special / embedded font to do this, as I think was meant for &lt;nowiki&gt;{{blackletter}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; ({{blackletter|exempli gratia}}; see [[Formula:Blackletter/styles.css]], although this does not seem to be calling a font at the moment). Does anyone have any advice about how we would add a webfont to LAWS's CSS, particularly for ℣ and ℟ ; or if there is a way to use an existing webfont with these characters that might be available to us? (Or if there is some other workable solution). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:58, 24 Octobris 2025 (UTC)

== Vandalismus ==

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== Ad magistratus ==

Magistratus venerabiles, potestisne in [[MediaWiki:Edittools|capsam insertionis]] addere haec: &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;poem&gt;+&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; et &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Versus|+}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;? — Dear admins, сan you add to the [[MediaWiki:Edittools|quick insert toolbar]] &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;poem&gt;+&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; et &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Versus|+}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;? [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 07:09, 3 Februarii 2026 (UTC)

:@[[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]]: done, sorry for the delay. If you need anything else, please ping me, as I don't normally follow the Scriptorium. [[Usor:Candalua|Candalua]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Candalua|disputatio]]) 07:09, 17 Aprilis 2026 (UTC)
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Currently, many templates pull electoral maps from Wikidata using the property [[:d:Property:P1846|P1846]], combined with the qualifier [[:d:Property:P180|P180]]: [[:d:Q19571328|Q19571328]]. 

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{{tl|FI}} is currently broken and ignores the {{para|width}} param. All images are set to the default size, which is usually very large, like in [[Lirica (Ariosto)]]. [[Usor:Trooper57|Trooper57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Trooper57|disputatio]]) 21:06, 31 Maii 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you, I guess we should check how it is behaving in the Italian wiki(s)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:16, 7 Iunii 2026 (UTC)

== Copyright problem? Appropriate for here? ==

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* [[Scriptor:Coronus_Tenebrosius]]
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No statement of copyright. No proof of authorship. paginae vanitatis ? [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 08:24, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC)

:Cum iure auctoris problemata non habebimus, si auctor ipse opera exponit. Et si delere consilium capiemus, [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Saumache|magistratus non habemus]], qui hoc faciant. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:37, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:&lt;blockquote&gt;'''Salvete.''' '''Nomen meum est Krunoslav Mrkoci, et ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' est interpretatio nominis mei in linguam Latinam, id est identitas mea Latina.''' '''Confirmo me ipsum auctorem esse omnium operum hic editorum. Opera primum Croatice scripta sunt, hic autem in versione Latina proposita.''' '''Praeterea fere omnia opera mea iam antea Croatice edita sunt in forma typographica. Id praesertim ad carmina mea pertinet, quae primum anno 1998 in libello iuvenili edita sunt, deinde in variis commentariis typis impressis, inter quos eminenter numeratur periodicum litterarium, culturalis et scientificum ''Riječi'' (Latine: ''Verba''), quod bis delectum e carminibus meis protulit.''' '''Item magna pars commentationum aliarumque prosarum, quae hic in linguam Latinam conversa sunt, iam antea et typis et forma electronica in Croatia divulgata est.'''  Quaeso ut attendatis ad paginam meam in Wikidata, ubi tam sub nomine Croatico ''Krunoslav Mrkoci'' quam sub nomine Latino ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' ut auctor operum meorum inscriptus sum. Gratias ago pro lectione. '''Coronus Tenebrosius'''.&lt;/blockquote&gt; [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius|Coronus Tenebrosius]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Coronus Tenebrosius|disputatio]]) 12:23, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC)

== Copying some templates from the English Wikisource ==

Hello,

Would someone please be able to help me get [[s:en:Template:ppoem|en:Template:ppoem]], [[s:en:blackletter|en:blackletter]], [[s:en:Template:he|en:Template:he]], and [[s:en:Template:grc|en:Template:grc]] available to use on this Wikisource, so I can utilize them here? For the blackletter, I've tried [[Formula:Gothica|Gothica]], but that doesn't seem to be rendering properly.

Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 00:04, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)

:@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] I made the shortcut for [[Formula:Graeca]]. You should not need any administror rights to do anything you need, I'll take a look into it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 09:46, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:Blackletter is already here, [[:Formula:Gothica]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:57, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::Hi! @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]], thanks! Just for clarification, do I need to make the template pages in Latin, or is it alright to copy them in English? Also, @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], I mentioned this above, but for some reason, the Gothica template isn't working for me. See [[Pagina:Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf/15]], for example. Any idea why that might be the case? [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 16:16, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] This wiki lacks proper guidelines and recommendations, I would prefer if you translated the template's name, e.g., [[Formula:spatium]] rather than [[Formula:spatio]] but given the international nature of the project (nobody's mother tongue is Latin) best practice should be to add translated names as shortcuts/redirects. Beware adding templates that are already on the wiki under a different name ([[Formula:grc]] was already at [[Formula:Graeca]]). I took a quick look and it seems the fonts used by the blackletter template are not installed on the wiki; the same template does not seem to work on the French Wikisource either. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 17:40, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::::Maybe we have sufficient powers to add the fonts now? Or we can ask someone with additional permissions to do so. But yes I remember now this has been a long standing problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:54, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:::[https://yaytext.com/fraktur/ This converter] 𝔠𝔬𝔫𝔳𝔢𝔯𝔱𝔰 𝔩𝔢𝔱𝔱𝔢𝔯𝔰 𝔱𝔬 𝔉𝔯𝔞𝔨𝔱𝔲𝔯 (because it exists in Unicode as separate characters). &lt;s&gt;However, I'm not sure if such text can be found using a regular search.&lt;/s&gt; No, Wikipedia search finds it. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:48, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::::I looked into using the converter, but I'm running into the issue of lack of compatibility with {{[[Formula:Ls|Ls]]}}. Would it be better to just wait for the font to be added? Do we have any idea when that will happen/who needs to be contacted for that to happen?
::::Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 19:34, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:::::These Unicode characters don't feel right on my labtop, they have heigth issues among other things. I went and asked on two different wikis about the fonts, I will come back to you when I get some answers. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 19:41, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:[[Formula:Poema recte formatum]] or [[Formula:Ppoem]] now work, altho there's issues with the documentation page. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:52, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 21:20, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC)


:{{tl|blackletter}} was not working for me, even after locally installing UnifrakturMaguntia from Google fonts, until I restarted my web browser, which also followed my rebooting. Also, it can't be just any gothic/blackletter font, but must be one of these Fraktur fonts: UnifrakturMaguntia UnifrakturCook  Unifraktur. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 21:19, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:{{ping|Demetrius Talpa|JimKillock|Erblanchard57}} Fonts are downloaded locally, you need to go to Modi/Praeferentiae &gt; Proprietates &gt; Sermonis delectus &gt; Plura &gt; Scripturae and toggle &quot;Download fonts when needed&quot;. The option seems not to be that easy to toggle on by default. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 10:56, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::Yes, great. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:09, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you very much! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 15:57, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::English WS seems to pull the font in from a repository. I've copied over the module ULS, css etc, would be good to know if it has made any difference. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
:::{{blackletter|fraktur}} etc [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I just deactivated the &quot;download fonts when needed&quot; option for a second to see if it would work without it, and it still doesn't. [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 04:32, 19 Iunii 2026 (UTC)

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== De transclusione libri nondum bis perlecti ==

Salvete omnes, I finished the first proofreading pass of Michael Praetorius's [[Liber:PRAETORIUS,_Michael_-_Syntagma_musicum_1.djvu|''Syntagma musicum'' (volume 1)]]. Every page now has the &quot;Proofread&quot; status, except that a few are also &quot;Validated&quot;. I expect it will take quite a while before the whole book gets that second read, if it ever will.

My question: is it already acceptable to transclude the text into the main namespace at this stage, even though most pages are only single-proofread rather than validated? Or is there a convention on this Wikisource that a work should be fully validated before merging onto the mainspace?

Gratias vobis ago pro consiliis vestris. [[Usor:Sakvaka|Sakvaka]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Sakvaka|disputatio]]) 09:16, 25 Iulii 2026 (UTC)

:Of course, this is acceptable; the texts there are of very different quality. Besides, transclusion slightly increases the chances that someone will find it for re-examination. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:40, 25 Iulii 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you for confirmation! -- [[Usor:Sakvaka|Sakvaka]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Sakvaka|disputatio]]) 07:02, 26 Iulii 2026 (UTC)

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== Metamorphoses (Apuleius)/Psyche et Cupido ==
[[Usor:Saumache]] paginam “[[Metamorphoses (Apuleius)/Psyche et Cupido]]” [[Specialis:Diff/86153/253177|ad deletionem celerem proposuit]], sed scriptum mihi videtur ex alia editione ortum esse atque ideo non esse delendum. Pittacium idcirco e pagina detraxi. --[[Usor:Grufo|Grufo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Grufo|disputatio]]) 20:50, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC)

:Nam eaedem quidem editiones sunt, quibusdam minusculis in maiusculas versis litteris formaque apostropharum solum differunt. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 21:08, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC)

== Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default ==

Hi @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] and others, I noticed that [[:Formula:Littera s longa]] has been changed so that &lt;nowiki&gt;{{s}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; produces ſ rather than s by default. This is in contrast to for example English Wikipedia which allows it as a user option, but assumes it is &quot;s&quot; by default. 

For other formulae, eg {{um}}, {{us}}, {{que}}, etc these are &quot;off&quot; by default. Likewise {{ae}}, {{oe}} I believe are off by default currently.

There various ways that this can work, for example:
* we could provide a user switch for either state per symbol, etc (with JS, as per EN.WS)
* we can provide advice about applying fonts, etc, that can set ſ, ae/oe ligatures, etc, through css preferences
* CSS can specify some of this per book (not all ligatures, eg {{que}} can be applied through CSS, and it depends on installed fonts in some cases)
* we ''might'' be able to apply a default javascript switch behaviour per book rather than sitewide

I don't have a massive preference for s over ſ, or ae / oe over or æ / œ ; but we should I think at least allow users to easily switch, especially re ſ if it is the default.

Just throwing it out there for discussion, to see what the general feeling / preference would be. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:40, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC)

:I lacked the rights to have it be toggled on and off through a gadget, we should ask interface administrators to do it, that should be the best way about it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 22:45, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC)

== Portal pages ==

Hi all, 

I'd like to suggest we create a few &quot;Portal&quot; pages for some key topics, so we can detail what is good and why rather than just provide category pages. There's a need for a page for introductory Latin, for example, which could explain levels of suitability of texts. See also [[#Navigation and validation]] above

To do this, we need community consensus to add a namespace, and then, it is done through a request at Phabricator. The namespace would define what this group of pages were called eg [[Portus:Index]] and also the name of the &quot;Disputatio&quot; (discussion) pages. 

Please let me know if you agree with this proposal or not, so we can demonstrate consensus for the change to be made. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:50, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC)

:cc @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]]@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:12, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC)
:Ok, sure (regardless, the Vicifons namespace could be used meanwhile to do some testing for the content). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 12:25, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC)
::Ok (even if I'm a inactive admin... :-( ) [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 12:55, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC)
:::I totatlly agree! - [[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:OrbiliusMagister|disputatio]]) 13:28, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC)
:Wikiversity was originally intended for educational purposes. But a portal can be created here too. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:00, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC)</text>
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== De me ==

In Pannonia Savia occidentali habito, ubi flumen Crapina fluit.

== Propositum meum ==

Opera Croatica et extera ab aevo medio ad hodiernum diem, Latine scripta vel Latine a me versa, recenseo atque conservo.

== Paginae a me creatae ==

* [[Poetae Latini Croatici]]
* [[Scriptor:Coronus Tenebrosius]]
* [[Contemplationes Metaphysicae]]
* [[Puteus Chaosi]]
* [[Carmina non adlecta]]
* [[Scriptor:Janko Polić Kamov]]
* [[Maledictio]]
* [[Charta lacerata]]
* [[Scriptor:Friedrich Hölderlin]]
* [[Ad Parcas]]
* [[Olim et nunc]]
* [[Curriculum vitae]]
* [[Brevitas]]
* [[Dimidium vitae]]
* [[Aetas vitae]]
* [[Maturi sunt, igne immersi, decocti]]
* [[Scriptor:Ivan Gundulić]]
* [[Scriptor:Franciscus Christophorus Comes de Frangipanibus]]</text>
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…quemadmodum &amp; populo Israëlitico post superatos maris fluctus ingressum in terram promissionis interclusit. Quapropter pœnitentiâ motus, apud animum statui Seni ad genua provolvi, ac veniam precari; quod &amp; feci: nam cum ex eremo adveniret, procurrens ego, abjecto ad ejus vestigia vultu non nisi semel ipsi: Peccavi, dicebam; Ignosce mihi, Pater. Sed jam præceptor egregius, peccatum meum spiritu perspectum habens, his me verbis excipit: Quid hoc, fili? In furem abiisti? Siccine furari te decuit, &amp; comessari clanculum? An ad hoc mecum egressus es? An ignoras furem eum esse, quicumque clam superiore cibis vescitur? Nesciti?, quantum id scelus reputetur apud Deum? Sed veniam ille tibi dabit, cujus unius est peccata dimittere. At in posterum, quidquid voluëris, fili, dicto id mihi tantum; dataque facultate, comedito securus. Tum me allevans, sapienter admonet, ac bene mihi precatus dimittit. 

{{left sidenote|'''B''' ''&amp; alias in febrim recidens sanatur.''}}129 Alio post hæc tempore cum febrem haberem, ad Senem confugiens, obsecravi eum, ut pro me vigilare ac sacrificare dignaretur. Ille verò: Bonum, inquit, tibi est, si exercearis aliquantulum, atque in patientiæ fornace proberis: tu fac patienter feras; non omittam tamen ego Deo te commendare. Et ita quidem dixerat; sed non scivi certo, an id præstitisset necne: quandoquidem pertinax ac diuturna adhærebat febris, donec viribus corpusculum exhausit, ac me totum in debilitatis voraginem demersit. Tum verò Senis patrocinio ineffabilis me prævenit Dei benignitas, medicamque &amp; adjutricem porrigens manum, ad perfectam valetudinem reduxit, complevitque admiratione ac stupore incredibili. Statimque consurgens robore atque animis plenus, foris aërem tantisper captabam; exinde librum arripiens, me ad legendum composui, quod facere antea nequaquam potueram. {{left sidenote|'''C'''}}Quidam autem fratres ipsâ illâ horâ, quâ legendo occupabar, ab hesychasterio advenere congratulantes mihi, ac prospera nunciantes: Jam, inquientes, Magister tui gratiâ sacrificium obtulit. Tum intellexi continuo per illud consecutum esse me integram valetudinem; ac Deo gratias egi, suspexique potens apud eum Senis patrocinium.
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{{graeca|ὡς καὶ τὸ διαβάντα τὸ θαλάττιον οἶδον? Ἰσ‑ / ραηλίτην λαὸν τῆς εἰς τὴν γῆν τς ἐπαγ‑ / γελίας εἰσόδου ἀπεστέρησεν . Ὅθεν μετανοήσας , / καὶ νῦν ἐσκεψάμην? προσπεσεῖν τῷ Γέροντι , / καὶ παρ' αὐτο αἰτεῖν συγχώρησιν · ὃ καὶ πε‑ / ποίηκα · καταλαβόντι δὲ αὐτῷ ἐκ τῆς ἐρήμου , / δραμὼν , καὶ τὸ πρόσωπόν μου τοῖς χνεσιν αὐτοῦ / ῥίψας? , ἅπαξ μόνον πρὸς αὐτόν · Ἥμαρτον , / συγχώρησόν μοι , πάτερ , ἔφην · Ὁ δὲ κα‑ / λὸς παιδευτής , τῷ πνεύματι διαγνὼς τν / ἐμὴν ἁμαρτίαν , ἔφη πρὸς με · Τί ἔνι , τέ‑ / κνον ; κλέπτης ἐγένου ; οὕτως? ἔκρινα? σε κεκλο‑ / φέναι? ἢ φαγεῖν ἀφανῶς ; Εἰς τοτο ἐξελήλυθας / μετ' ἐμοῦ ; Ἀγνοεῖς , ὅτι κλέπτης ἐστὶν ὁ τρώγων / λάθρᾳ ἄνευ? ἐκείνου ἡγεμόνος? ; Οὐκ οἶδας , ὅτι / παρὰ τῷ Θεῷ μεγάλη ἁμαρτία καθέστηκε τοῦ‑ / το ; ἀλλ' αὐτὸς συγχωρήσει σοι , ὁ μόνος / ἔχων τὴν ἐξουσίαν ἀφιέναι ἁμαρτίας · καὶ ἐν / λοιπῷ , τέκνον , ὅ,τι ἂν θέλεις , εἰπέ μοι μόνον , / καὶ ἐμπαρεχθέντος ἔσθιε χαίρων . Καὶ ἀναστή‑ / σας με , καὶ σοφῶς νουθετήσας , καὶ εὐλογήσας / ἀπέλυσε .}}

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{{graeca|129 Μετὰ ταῦτα ἐν ἄλλοτε? πυρεκτικῇ / περιπεσὼν νόσῳ , προσέφυγον τῷ Γέροντι , / ἠξίωσα αὐτὸν ὑπὲρ ἐμοῦ ἀγρυπνίαν ἢ θυσίαν? / ἐκτελέσαι . Αὐτὸς δὲ · Καλόν σοι παιδευθῆναι? / μικρόν , εἶπεν , καὶ ταῖς τῆς ὑπομονῆς / χώμαις? δοκιμασθῆναι · ἀλλ' ὑπόμεινον , ὅμως / δὲ ὑπέρ σου ποιήσω ἔντευξιν εἰς τὸ παρόν? . Καὶ / ταῦτα μέν ἔφη · οὐκ οἶδα δὲ εἰ ἀληθῶς? , εἰ πεποίηκεν ἢ οὐ · ἐπειδή με χρονίως / ἐδέσμευεν ἡ πυρεκτικὴ νόσος , ἕως ὅπου διέλυ‑ / σέ μου τὸ σμα? , καὶ ὅλον με εἰς / ἀδυναμίας βυθὸν κατήγαγε , καὶ τότε δὴ / τοῦ Γέροντος πρεσβείας ἢ ἄφατος? τοῦ Θεοῦ / φιλανθρωπία προέφθασε , καὶ χεῖρα θερα‑ / πεύουσα? καὶ βοηθοῦσα? ἐκτείνασα , εἰς ἀκμὴν? δι‑ / εξίαν? ἤγαγέ με , καί με ἐξαισίου? καὶ ἐκπλήξεως / ἀμέτρου ἐμπλήσασα , καὶ ἀναστὰς εὐθέως ῥώ‑ / μης καὶ ψυχῆς γέμων , ἔξω μικρόν με? / ἀναπνεῖν? · καὶ μετ' ἔπειτα βιβλίον λαβὼν , / ἐκαθέσθω? ἀναγινώσκειν , ὅπερ ἐμοὶ τὸ πρὶν / ἀδύνατον · Ἀδελφοὶ δέ τινες αὐτῇ τ ὥρᾳ , / ἐμὲ ἀναγινώσκοντα? , ἐκ τοῦ ἡσυχαστηρίου πα‑ / ρεγένοντο , συγχαίροντές μοι καὶ εὐαγγελι‑ / ζόμενοι λέγοντες · Νυνὶ ὁ ἐπιστάτης ὑπέρ / σου πεποίηκε θυσίαν · καὶ ταυτὰ ἔγνω‑ / κα , ὅτι δι' αὐτῆς τελείας ἔτυχον γείας , / καὶ τῷ Θεῷ ηὐχαρίστησα , καὶ ἐξεδεξάμην? τὴν / παῤῥησίαν τοῦ Γέροντος . {{right sidenote|'''F'''}}}


== A N N O T A T A   D. P. ==
a ''Hic ille videtur; de quo Ruffinus in Vitis Patrum num. III apud Rosweydum, &amp; Author incertus cap. 12, num. 4. Postremus hæc habet:'' Venit aliquando ad abbatem Zenonem in Syriâ aliquis frater Ægyptius; &amp; cœpit cogitationes proprias accusare præsente sene. Ille autem audiens hoc, admiratus dixit: Ægyptii quas habent virtutes, celant; &amp; vitia, quæ non habent, manifestant: Syri autem &amp; Græci virtutes, quas non habent, prædicant; &amp; vitia, quæ habent, abscondunt. ''Eadem habet Ruffinus, fere verbatim hisce consonans loco mox citato.''

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{{left sidenote|'''B''' ''&amp; alias in febrim recidens sanatur.''}}129 Alio post hæc tempore cum febrem haberem, ad Senem confugiens, obsecravi eum, ut pro me vigilare ac sacrificare dignaretur. Ille verò: Bonum, inquit, tibi est, si exercearis aliquantulum, atque in patientiæ fornace proberis: tu fac patienter feras; non omittam tamen ego Deo te commendare. Et ita quidem dixerat; sed non scivi certo, an id præstitisset necne: quandoquidem pertinax ac diuturna adhærebat febris, donec viribus corpusculum exhausit, ac me totum in debilitatis voraginem demersit. Tum verò Senis patrocinio ineffabilis me prævenit Dei benignitas, medicamque &amp; adjutricem porrigens manum, ad perfectam valetudinem reduxit, complevitque admiratione ac stupore incredibili. Statimque consurgens robore atque animis plenus, foris aërem tantisper captabam; exinde librum arripiens, me ad legendum composui, quod facere antea nequaquam potueram. {{left sidenote|'''C'''}}Quidam autem fratres ipsâ illâ horâ, quâ legendo occupabar, ab hesychasterio advenere congratulantes mihi, ac prospera nunciantes: Jam, inquientes, Magister tui gratiâ sacrificium obtulit. Tum intellexi continuo per illud consecutum esse me integram valetudinem; ac Deo gratias egi, suspexique potens apud eum Senis patrocinium.
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{{graeca|ὡς καὶ τὸ διαβάντα τὸ θαλάττιον οἶδον? Ἰσ‑ / ραηλίτην λαὸν τῆς εἰς τὴν γῆν τς ἐπαγ‑ / γελίας εἰσόδου ἀπεστέρησεν . Ὅθεν μετανοήσας , / καὶ νῦν ἐσκεψάμην? προσπεσεῖν τῷ Γέροντι , / καὶ παρ' αὐτο αἰτεῖν συγχώρησιν · ὃ καὶ πε‑ / ποίηκα · καταλαβόντι δὲ αὐτῷ ἐκ τῆς ἐρήμου , / δραμὼν , καὶ τὸ πρόσωπόν μου τοῖς χνεσιν αὐτοῦ / ῥίψας? , ἅπαξ μόνον πρὸς αὐτόν · Ἥμαρτον , / συγχώρησόν μοι , πάτερ , ἔφην · Ὁ δὲ κα‑ / λὸς παιδευτής , τῷ πνεύματι διαγνὼς τν / ἐμὴν ἁμαρτίαν , ἔφη πρὸς με · Τί ἔνι , τέ‑ / κνον ; κλέπτης ἐγένου ; οὕτως? ἔκρινα? σε κεκλο‑ / φέναι? ἢ φαγεῖν ἀφανῶς ; Εἰς τοτο ἐξελήλυθας / μετ' ἐμοῦ ; Ἀγνοεῖς , ὅτι κλέπτης ἐστὶν ὁ τρώγων / λάθρᾳ ἄνευ? ἐκείνου ἡγεμόνος? ; Οὐκ οἶδας , ὅτι / παρὰ τῷ Θεῷ μεγάλη ἁμαρτία καθέστηκε τοῦ‑ / το ; ἀλλ' αὐτὸς συγχωρήσει σοι , ὁ μόνος / ἔχων τὴν ἐξουσίαν ἀφιέναι ἁμαρτίας · καὶ ἐν / λοιπῷ , τέκνον , ὅ,τι ἂν θέλεις , εἰπέ μοι μόνον , / καὶ ἐμπαρεχθέντος ἔσθιε χαίρων . Καὶ ἀναστή‑ / σας με , καὶ σοφῶς νουθετήσας , καὶ εὐλογήσας / ἀπέλυσε .}}

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{{graeca|129 Μετὰ ταῦτα ἐν ἄλλοτε? πυρεκτικῇ / περιπεσὼν νόσῳ , προσέφυγον τῷ Γέροντι , / ἠξίωσα αὐτὸν ὑπὲρ ἐμοῦ ἀγρυπνίαν ἢ θυσίαν? / ἐκτελέσαι . Αὐτὸς δὲ · Καλόν σοι παιδευθῆναι? / μικρόν , εἶπεν , καὶ ταῖς τῆς ὑπομονῆς / χώμαις? δοκιμασθῆναι · ἀλλ' ὑπόμεινον , ὅμως / δὲ ὑπέρ σου ποιήσω ἔντευξιν εἰς τὸ παρόν? . Καὶ / ταῦτα μέν ἔφη · οὐκ οἶδα δὲ εἰ ἀληθῶς? , εἰ πεποίηκεν ἢ οὐ · ἐπειδή με χρονίως / ἐδέσμευεν ἡ πυρεκτικὴ νόσος , ἕως ὅπου διέλυ‑ / σέ μου τὸ σμα? , καὶ ὅλον με εἰς / ἀδυναμίας βυθὸν κατήγαγε , καὶ τότε δὴ / τοῦ Γέροντος πρεσβείας ἢ ἄφατος? τοῦ Θεοῦ / φιλανθρωπία προέφθασε , καὶ χεῖρα θερα‑ / πεύουσα? καὶ βοηθοῦσα? ἐκτείνασα , εἰς ἀκμὴν? δι‑ / εξίαν? ἤγαγέ με , καί με ἐξαισίου? καὶ ἐκπλήξεως / ἀμέτρου ἐμπλήσασα , καὶ ἀναστὰς εὐθέως ῥώ‑ / μης καὶ ψυχῆς γέμων , ἔξω μικρόν με? / ἀναπνεῖν? · καὶ μετ' ἔπειτα βιβλίον λαβὼν , / ἐκαθέσθω? ἀναγινώσκειν , ὅπερ ἐμοὶ τὸ πρὶν / ἀδύνατον · Ἀδελφοὶ δέ τινες αὐτῇ τ ὥρᾳ , / ἐμὲ ἀναγινώσκοντα? , ἐκ τοῦ ἡσυχαστηρίου πα‑ / ρεγένοντο , συγχαίροντές μοι καὶ εὐαγγελι‑ / ζόμενοι λέγοντες · Νυνὶ ὁ ἐπιστάτης ὑπέρ / σου πεποίηκε θυσίαν · καὶ ταυτὰ ἔγνω‑ / κα , ὅτι δι' αὐτῆς τελείας ἔτυχον γείας , / καὶ τῷ Θεῷ ηὐχαρίστησα , καὶ ἐξεδεξάμην? τὴν / παῤῥησίαν τοῦ Γέροντος . {{right sidenote|'''F'''}}
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== A N N O T A T A   D. P. ==
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…quemadmodum &amp; populo Israëlitico post superatos maris fluctus ingressum in terram promissionis interclusit. Quapropter pœnitentiâ motus, apud animum statui Seni ad genua provolvi, ac veniam precari; quod &amp; feci: nam cum ex eremo adveniret, procurrens ego, abjecto ad ejus vestigia vultu non nisi semel ipsi: Peccavi, dicebam; Ignosce mihi, Pater. Sed jam præceptor egregius, peccatum meum spiritu perspectum habens, his me verbis excipit: Quid hoc, fili? In furem abiisti? Siccine furari te decuit, &amp; comessari clanculum? An ad hoc mecum egressus es? An ignoras furem eum esse, quicumque clam superiore cibis vescitur? Nesciti?, quantum id scelus reputetur apud Deum? Sed veniam ille tibi dabit, cujus unius est peccata dimittere. At in posterum, quidquid voluëris, fili, dicto id mihi tantum; dataque facultate, comedito securus. Tum me allevans, sapienter admonet, ac bene mihi precatus dimittit. 

{{left sidenote|'''B''' ''&amp; alias in febrim recidens sanatur.''}}129 Alio post hæc tempore cum febrem haberem, ad Senem confugiens, obsecravi eum, ut pro me vigilare ac sacrificare dignaretur. Ille verò: Bonum, inquit, tibi est, si exercearis aliquantulum, atque in patientiæ fornace proberis: tu fac patienter feras; non omittam tamen ego Deo te commendare. Et ita quidem dixerat; sed non scivi certo, an id præstitisset necne: quandoquidem pertinax ac diuturna adhærebat febris, donec viribus corpusculum exhausit, ac me totum in debilitatis voraginem demersit. Tum verò Senis patrocinio ineffabilis me prævenit Dei benignitas, medicamque &amp; adjutricem porrigens manum, ad perfectam valetudinem reduxit, complevitque admiratione ac stupore incredibili. Statimque consurgens robore atque animis plenus, foris aërem tantisper captabam; exinde librum arripiens, me ad legendum composui, quod facere antea nequaquam potueram. {{left sidenote|'''C'''}}Quidam autem fratres ipsâ illâ horâ, quâ legendo occupabar, ab hesychasterio advenere congratulantes mihi, ac prospera nunciantes: Jam, inquientes, Magister tui gratiâ sacrificium obtulit. Tum intellexi continuo per illud consecutum esse me integram valetudinem; ac Deo gratias egi, suspexique potens apud eum Senis patrocinium.
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{{graeca|ὡς καὶ τὸ διαβάντα τὸ θαλάττιον οἶδον? Ἰσ‑ / ραηλίτην λαὸν τῆς εἰς τὴν γῆν τς ἐπαγ‑ / γελίας εἰσόδου ἀπεστέρησεν . Ὅθεν μετανοήσας , / καὶ νῦν ἐσκεψάμην? προσπεσεῖν τῷ Γέροντι , / καὶ παρ' αὐτο αἰτεῖν συγχώρησιν · ὃ καὶ πε‑ / ποίηκα · καταλαβόντι δὲ αὐτῷ ἐκ τῆς ἐρήμου , / δραμὼν , καὶ τὸ πρόσωπόν μου τοῖς χνεσιν αὐτοῦ / ῥίψας? , ἅπαξ μόνον πρὸς αὐτόν · Ἥμαρτον , / συγχώρησόν μοι , πάτερ , ἔφην · Ὁ δὲ κα‑ / λὸς παιδευτής , τῷ πνεύματι διαγνὼς τν / ἐμὴν ἁμαρτίαν , ἔφη πρὸς με · Τί ἔνι , τέ‑ / κνον ; κλέπτης ἐγένου ; οὕτως? ἔκρινα? σε κεκλο‑ / φέναι? ἢ φαγεῖν ἀφανῶς ; Εἰς τοτο ἐξελήλυθας / μετ' ἐμοῦ ; Ἀγνοεῖς , ὅτι κλέπτης ἐστὶν ὁ τρώγων / λάθρᾳ ἄνευ? ἐκείνου ἡγεμόνος? ; Οὐκ οἶδας , ὅτι / παρὰ τῷ Θεῷ μεγάλη ἁμαρτία καθέστηκε τοῦ‑ / το ; ἀλλ' αὐτὸς συγχωρήσει σοι , ὁ μόνος / ἔχων τὴν ἐξουσίαν ἀφιέναι ἁμαρτίας · καὶ ἐν / λοιπῷ , τέκνον , ὅ,τι ἂν θέλεις , εἰπέ μοι μόνον , / καὶ ἐμπαρεχθέντος ἔσθιε χαίρων . Καὶ ἀναστή‑ / σας με , καὶ σοφῶς νουθετήσας , καὶ εὐλογήσας / ἀπέλυσε .}}

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{{graeca|129 Μετὰ ταῦτα ἐν ἄλλοτε? πυρεκτικῇ / περιπεσὼν νόσῳ , προσέφυγον τῷ Γέροντι , / ἠξίωσα αὐτὸν ὑπὲρ ἐμοῦ ἀγρυπνίαν ἢ θυσίαν? / ἐκτελέσαι . Αὐτὸς δὲ · Καλόν σοι παιδευθῆναι? / μικρόν , εἶπεν , καὶ ταῖς τῆς ὑπομονῆς / χώμαις? δοκιμασθῆναι · ἀλλ' ὑπόμεινον , ὅμως / δὲ ὑπέρ σου ποιήσω ἔντευξιν εἰς τὸ παρόν? . Καὶ / ταῦτα μέν ἔφη · οὐκ οἶδα δὲ εἰ ἀληθῶς? , εἰ πεποίηκεν ἢ οὐ · ἐπειδή με χρονίως / ἐδέσμευεν ἡ πυρεκτικὴ νόσος , ἕως ὅπου διέλυ‑ / σέ μου τὸ σμα? , καὶ ὅλον με εἰς / ἀδυναμίας βυθὸν κατήγαγε , καὶ τότε δὴ / τοῦ Γέροντος πρεσβείας ἢ ἄφατος? τοῦ Θεοῦ / φιλανθρωπία προέφθασε , καὶ χεῖρα θερα‑ / πεύουσα? καὶ βοηθοῦσα? ἐκτείνασα , εἰς ἀκμὴν? δι‑ / εξίαν? ἤγαγέ με , καί με ἐξαισίου? καὶ ἐκπλήξεως / ἀμέτρου ἐμπλήσασα , καὶ ἀναστὰς εὐθέως ῥώ‑ / μης καὶ ψυχῆς γέμων , ἔξω μικρόν με? / ἀναπνεῖν? · καὶ μετ' ἔπειτα βιβλίον λαβὼν , / ἐκαθέσθω? ἀναγινώσκειν , ὅπερ ἐμοὶ τὸ πρὶν / ἀδύνατον · Ἀδελφοὶ δέ τινες αὐτῇ τ ὥρᾳ , / ἐμὲ ἀναγινώσκοντα? , ἐκ τοῦ ἡσυχαστηρίου πα‑ / ρεγένοντο , συγχαίροντές μοι καὶ εὐαγγελι‑ / ζόμενοι λέγοντες · Νυνὶ ὁ ἐπιστάτης ὑπέρ / σου πεποίηκε θυσίαν · καὶ ταυτὰ ἔγνω‑ / κα , ὅτι δι' αὐτῆς τελείας ἔτυχον γείας , / καὶ τῷ Θεῷ ηὐχαρίστησα , καὶ ἐξεδεξάμην? τὴν / παῤῥησίαν τοῦ Γέροντος .}} {{right sidenote|'''F'''}}
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== A N N O T A T A   D. P. ==
a ''Hic ille videtur; de quo Ruffinus in Vitis Patrum num. III apud Rosweydum, &amp; Author incertus cap. 12, num. 4. Postremus hæc habet:'' Venit aliquando ad abbatem Zenonem in Syriâ aliquis frater Ægyptius; &amp; cœpit cogitationes proprias accusare præsente sene. Ille autem audiens hoc, admiratus dixit: Ægyptii quas habent virtutes, celant; &amp; vitia, quæ non habent, manifestant: Syri autem &amp; Græci virtutes, quas non habent, prædicant; &amp; vitia, quæ habent, abscondunt. ''Eadem habet Ruffinus, fere verbatim hisce consonans loco mox citato.''

b ἀμοιωθείς. ''Videtur hoc verbum rarum, &amp; debere formari à μοιός? (⊙ = ος), tristis &amp; ab alpha privativo.''&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;!-- --&gt;
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…quemadmodum &amp; populo Israëlitico post superatos maris fluctus ingressum in terram promissionis interclusit. Quapropter pœnitentiâ motus, apud animum statui Seni ad genua provolvi, ac veniam precari; quod &amp; feci: nam cum ex eremo adveniret, procurrens ego, abjecto ad ejus vestigia vultu non nisi semel ipsi: Peccavi, dicebam; Ignosce mihi, Pater. Sed jam præceptor egregius, peccatum meum spiritu perspectum habens, his me verbis excipit: Quid hoc, fili? In furem abiisti? Siccine furari te decuit, &amp; comessari clanculum? An ad hoc mecum egressus es? An ignoras furem eum esse, quicumque clam superiore cibis vescitur? Nesciti?, quantum id scelus reputetur apud Deum? Sed veniam ille tibi dabit, cujus unius est peccata dimittere. At in posterum, quidquid voluëris, fili, dicto id mihi tantum; dataque facultate, comedito securus. Tum me allevans, sapienter admonet, ac bene mihi precatus dimittit. 

{{left sidenote|'''B''' ''&amp; alias in febrim recidens sanatur.''}}129 Alio post hæc tempore cum febrem haberem, ad Senem confugiens, obsecravi eum, ut pro me vigilare ac sacrificare dignaretur. Ille verò: Bonum, inquit, tibi est, si exercearis aliquantulum, atque in patientiæ fornace proberis: tu fac patienter feras; non omittam tamen ego Deo te commendare. Et ita quidem dixerat; sed non scivi certo, an id præstitisset necne: quandoquidem pertinax ac diuturna adhærebat febris, donec viribus corpusculum exhausit, ac me totum in debilitatis voraginem demersit. Tum verò Senis patrocinio ineffabilis me prævenit Dei benignitas, medicamque &amp; adjutricem porrigens manum, ad perfectam valetudinem reduxit, complevitque admiratione ac stupore incredibili. Statimque consurgens robore atque animis plenus, foris aërem tantisper captabam; exinde librum arripiens, me ad legendum composui, quod facere antea nequaquam potueram. {{left sidenote|'''C'''}}Quidam autem fratres ipsâ illâ horâ, quâ legendo occupabar, ab hesychasterio advenere congratulantes mihi, ac prospera nunciantes: Jam, inquientes, Magister tui gratiâ sacrificium obtulit. Tum intellexi continuo per illud consecutum esse me integram valetudinem; ac Deo gratias egi, suspexique potens apud eum Senis patrocinium.
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{{graeca|ὡς καὶ τὸ διαβάντα τὸ θαλάττιον οἶδον? Ἰσ‑ / ραηλίτην λαὸν τῆς εἰς τὴν γῆν τς ἐπαγ‑ / γελίας εἰσόδου ἀπεστέρησεν . Ὅθεν μετανοήσας , / καὶ νῦν ἐσκεψάμην? προσπεσεῖν τῷ Γέροντι , / καὶ παρ' αὐτο αἰτεῖν συγχώρησιν · ὃ καὶ πε‑ / ποίηκα · καταλαβόντι δὲ αὐτῷ ἐκ τῆς ἐρήμου , / δραμὼν , καὶ τὸ πρόσωπόν μου τοῖς χνεσιν αὐτοῦ / ῥίψας? , ἅπαξ μόνον πρὸς αὐτόν · Ἥμαρτον , / συγχώρησόν μοι , πάτερ , ἔφην · Ὁ δὲ κα‑ / λὸς παιδευτής , τῷ πνεύματι διαγνὼς τν / ἐμὴν ἁμαρτίαν , ἔφη πρὸς με · Τί ἔνι , τέ‑ / κνον ; κλέπτης ἐγένου ; οὕτως? ἔκρινα? σε κεκλο‑ / φέναι? ἢ φαγεῖν ἀφανῶς ; Εἰς τοτο ἐξελήλυθας / μετ' ἐμοῦ ; Ἀγνοεῖς , ὅτι κλέπτης ἐστὶν ὁ τρώγων / λάθρᾳ ἄνευ? ἐκείνου ἡγεμόνος? ; Οὐκ οἶδας , ὅτι / παρὰ τῷ Θεῷ μεγάλη ἁμαρτία καθέστηκε τοῦ‑ / το ; ἀλλ' αὐτὸς συγχωρήσει σοι , ὁ μόνος / ἔχων τὴν ἐξουσίαν ἀφιέναι ἁμαρτίας · καὶ ἐν / λοιπῷ , τέκνον , ὅ,τι ἂν θέλεις , εἰπέ μοι μόνον , / καὶ ἐμπαρεχθέντος ἔσθιε χαίρων . Καὶ ἀναστή‑ / σας με , καὶ σοφῶς νουθετήσας , καὶ εὐλογήσας / ἀπέλυσε .}}

{{right sidenote|'''E'''}}
{{graeca|129 Μετὰ ταῦτα ἐν ἄλλοτε? πυρεκτικῇ / περιπεσὼν νόσῳ , προσέφυγον τῷ Γέροντι , / ἠξίωσα αὐτὸν ὑπὲρ ἐμοῦ ἀγρυπνίαν ἢ θυσίαν? / ἐκτελέσαι . Αὐτὸς δὲ · Καλόν σοι παιδευθῆναι? / μικρόν , εἶπεν , καὶ ταῖς τῆς ὑπομονῆς / χώμαις? δοκιμασθῆναι · ἀλλ' ὑπόμεινον , ὅμως / δὲ ὑπέρ σου ποιήσω ἔντευξιν εἰς τὸ παρόν? . Καὶ / ταῦτα μέν ἔφη · οὐκ οἶδα δὲ εἰ ἀληθῶς? , εἰ πεποίηκεν ἢ οὐ · ἐπειδή με χρονίως / ἐδέσμευεν ἡ πυρεκτικὴ νόσος , ἕως ὅπου διέλυ‑ / σέ μου τὸ σμα? , καὶ ὅλον με εἰς / ἀδυναμίας βυθὸν κατήγαγε , καὶ τότε δὴ / τοῦ Γέροντος πρεσβείας ἢ ἄφατος? τοῦ Θεοῦ / φιλανθρωπία προέφθασε , καὶ χεῖρα θερα‑ / πεύουσα? καὶ βοηθοῦσα? ἐκτείνασα , εἰς ἀκμὴν? δι‑ / εξίαν? ἤγαγέ με , καί με ἐξαισίου? καὶ ἐκπλήξεως / ἀμέτρου ἐμπλήσασα , καὶ ἀναστὰς εὐθέως ῥώ‑ / μης καὶ ψυχῆς γέμων , ἔξω μικρόν με? / ἀναπνεῖν? · καὶ μετ' ἔπειτα βιβλίον λαβὼν , / ἐκαθέσθω? ἀναγινώσκειν , ὅπερ ἐμοὶ τὸ πρὶν / ἀδύνατον · Ἀδελφοὶ δέ τινες αὐτῇ τ ὥρᾳ , / ἐμὲ ἀναγινώσκοντα? , ἐκ τοῦ ἡσυχαστηρίου πα‑ / ρεγένοντο , συγχαίροντές μοι καὶ εὐαγγελι‑ / ζόμενοι λέγοντες · Νυνὶ ὁ ἐπιστάτης ὑπέρ / σου πεποίηκε θυσίαν · καὶ ταυτὰ ἔγνω‑ / κα , ὅτι δι' αὐτῆς τελείας ἔτυχον γείας , / καὶ τῷ Θεῷ ηὐχαρίστησα , καὶ ἐξεδεξάμην? τὴν / παῤῥησίαν τοῦ Γέροντος .}} {{right sidenote|'''F'''}}
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== {{center|A N N O T A T A   D. P.}} ==
a ''Hic ille videtur; de quo Ruffinus in Vitis Patrum num. III apud Rosweydum, &amp; Author incertus cap. 12, num. 4. Postremus hæc habet:'' Venit aliquando ad abbatem Zenonem in Syriâ aliquis frater Ægyptius; &amp; cœpit cogitationes proprias accusare præsente sene. Ille autem audiens hoc, admiratus dixit: Ægyptii quas habent virtutes, celant; &amp; vitia, quæ non habent, manifestant: Syri autem &amp; Græci virtutes, quas non habent, prædicant; &amp; vitia, quæ habent, abscondunt. ''Eadem habet Ruffinus, fere verbatim hisce consonans loco mox citato.''

b ἀμοιωθείς. ''Videtur hoc verbum rarum, &amp; debere formari à μοιός? (⊙ = ος), tristis &amp; ab alpha privativo.''&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;!-- --&gt;
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{{left sidenote|'''B''' ''&amp; alias in febrim recidens sanatur.''}}129 Alio post hæc tempore cum febrem haberem, ad Senem confugiens, obsecravi eum, ut pro me vigilare ac sacrificare dignaretur. Ille verò: Bonum, inquit, tibi est, si exercearis aliquantulum, atque in patientiæ fornace proberis: tu fac patienter feras; non omittam tamen ego Deo te commendare. Et ita quidem dixerat; sed non scivi certo, an id præstitisset necne: quandoquidem pertinax ac diuturna adhærebat febris, donec viribus corpusculum exhausit, ac me totum in debilitatis voraginem demersit. Tum verò Senis patrocinio ineffabilis me prævenit Dei benignitas, medicamque &amp; adjutricem porrigens manum, ad perfectam valetudinem reduxit, complevitque admiratione ac stupore incredibili. Statimque consurgens robore atque animis plenus, foris aërem tantisper captabam; exinde librum arripiens, me ad legendum composui, quod facere antea nequaquam potueram. {{left sidenote|'''C'''}}Quidam autem fratres ipsâ illâ horâ, quâ legendo occupabar, ab hesychasterio advenere congratulantes mihi, ac prospera nunciantes: Jam, inquientes, Magister tui gratiâ sacrificium obtulit. Tum intellexi continuo per illud consecutum esse me integram valetudinem; ac Deo gratias egi, suspexique potens apud eum Senis patrocinium.
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{{graeca|ὡς καὶ τὸ διαβάντα τὸ θαλάττιον οἶδον? Ἰσ‑ / ραηλίτην λαὸν τῆς εἰς τὴν γῆν τς ἐπαγ‑ / γελίας εἰσόδου ἀπεστέρησεν . Ὅθεν μετανοήσας , / καὶ νῦν ἐσκεψάμην? προσπεσεῖν τῷ Γέροντι , / καὶ παρ' αὐτο αἰτεῖν συγχώρησιν · ὃ καὶ πε‑ / ποίηκα · καταλαβόντι δὲ αὐτῷ ἐκ τῆς ἐρήμου , / δραμὼν , καὶ τὸ πρόσωπόν μου τοῖς χνεσιν αὐτοῦ / ῥίψας? , ἅπαξ μόνον πρὸς αὐτόν · Ἥμαρτον , / συγχώρησόν μοι , πάτερ , ἔφην · Ὁ δὲ κα‑ / λὸς παιδευτής , τῷ πνεύματι διαγνὼς τν / ἐμὴν ἁμαρτίαν , ἔφη πρὸς με · Τί ἔνι , τέ‑ / κνον ; κλέπτης ἐγένου ; οὕτως? ἔκρινα? σε κεκλο‑ / φέναι? ἢ φαγεῖν ἀφανῶς ; Εἰς τοτο ἐξελήλυθας / μετ' ἐμοῦ ; Ἀγνοεῖς , ὅτι κλέπτης ἐστὶν ὁ τρώγων / λάθρᾳ ἄνευ? ἐκείνου ἡγεμόνος? ; Οὐκ οἶδας , ὅτι / παρὰ τῷ Θεῷ μεγάλη ἁμαρτία καθέστηκε τοῦ‑ / το ; ἀλλ' αὐτὸς συγχωρήσει σοι , ὁ μόνος / ἔχων τὴν ἐξουσίαν ἀφιέναι ἁμαρτίας · καὶ ἐν / λοιπῷ , τέκνον , ὅ,τι ἂν θέλεις , εἰπέ μοι μόνον , / καὶ ἐμπαρεχθέντος ἔσθιε χαίρων . Καὶ ἀναστή‑ / σας με , καὶ σοφῶς νουθετήσας , καὶ εὐλογήσας / ἀπέλυσε .}}

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{{graeca|129 Μετὰ ταῦτα ἐν ἄλλοτε? πυρεκτικῇ / περιπεσὼν νόσῳ , προσέφυγον τῷ Γέροντι , / ἠξίωσα αὐτὸν ὑπὲρ ἐμοῦ ἀγρυπνίαν ἢ θυσίαν? / ἐκτελέσαι . Αὐτὸς δὲ · Καλόν σοι παιδευθῆναι? / μικρόν , εἶπεν , καὶ ταῖς τῆς ὑπομονῆς / χώμαις? δοκιμασθῆναι · ἀλλ' ὑπόμεινον , ὅμως / δὲ ὑπέρ σου ποιήσω ἔντευξιν εἰς τὸ παρόν? . Καὶ / ταῦτα μέν ἔφη · οὐκ οἶδα δὲ εἰ ἀληθῶς? , εἰ πεποίηκεν ἢ οὐ · ἐπειδή με χρονίως / ἐδέσμευεν ἡ πυρεκτικὴ νόσος , ἕως ὅπου διέλυ‑ / σέ μου τὸ σμα? , καὶ ὅλον με εἰς / ἀδυναμίας βυθὸν κατήγαγε , καὶ τότε δὴ / τοῦ Γέροντος πρεσβείας ἢ ἄφατος? τοῦ Θεοῦ / φιλανθρωπία προέφθασε , καὶ χεῖρα θερα‑ / πεύουσα? καὶ βοηθοῦσα? ἐκτείνασα , εἰς ἀκμὴν? δι‑ / εξίαν? ἤγαγέ με , καί με ἐξαισίου? καὶ ἐκπλήξεως / ἀμέτρου ἐμπλήσασα , καὶ ἀναστὰς εὐθέως ῥώ‑ / μης καὶ ψυχῆς γέμων , ἔξω μικρόν με? / ἀναπνεῖν? · καὶ μετ' ἔπειτα βιβλίον λαβὼν , / ἐκαθέσθω? ἀναγινώσκειν , ὅπερ ἐμοὶ τὸ πρὶν / ἀδύνατον · Ἀδελφοὶ δέ τινες αὐτῇ τ ὥρᾳ , / ἐμὲ ἀναγινώσκοντα? , ἐκ τοῦ ἡσυχαστηρίου πα‑ / ρεγένοντο , συγχαίροντές μοι καὶ εὐαγγελι‑ / ζόμενοι λέγοντες · Νυνὶ ὁ ἐπιστάτης ὑπέρ / σου πεποίηκε θυσίαν · καὶ ταυτὰ ἔγνω‑ / κα , ὅτι δι' αὐτῆς τελείας ἔτυχον γείας , / καὶ τῷ Θεῷ ηὐχαρίστησα , καὶ ἐξεδεξάμην? τὴν / παῤῥησίαν τοῦ Γέροντος .}} {{right sidenote|'''F'''}}
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a ''Hic ille videtur; de quo Ruffinus in Vitis Patrum num. III apud Rosweydum, &amp; Author incertus cap. 12, num. 4. Postremus hæc habet:'' Venit aliquando ad abbatem Zenonem in Syriâ aliquis frater Ægyptius; &amp; cœpit cogitationes proprias accusare præsente sene. Ille autem audiens hoc, admiratus dixit: Ægyptii quas habent virtutes, celant; &amp; vitia, quæ non habent, manifestant: Syri autem &amp; Græci virtutes, quas non habent, prædicant; &amp; vitia, quæ habent, abscondunt. ''Eadem habet Ruffinus, fere verbatim hisce consonans loco mox citato.''

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{{graeca|Μετὰ δὲ ταῦτα , τοῦ λίου δυόντος , ἀπὸ / τοῦ κελίου ἐπὶ τὸ ἡσυχαστήριον τοῦ Γέροντος / πορευόμενος? , ἐν ἡμέρᾳ σαββάτῳ τοῦ Ἰουλίου μηνὸς / διϊσπεύοντος , ἐν θερμαῖς ὥραις , καὶ τὴν ὁδὸν ἀ‑ / κουω βροντῶν καταρρηγνυμένων , καὶ ἀστραπὰς ἐξ‑ / αστραπτούσας ὁρῶ , μικρᾶς νεφέλης ἐπὶ τὸ ἔρημον τῆς / νεκρᾶς θαλάσσης διαπετασθείσης? · τεθηπὼς? λίαν / ἐπὶ τῷ παραδόξῳ τότε ἀκούσματι καὶ θεάματι , / τὸ ἡσυχαστήριον τοῦ Γέροντος κατέλαβον · / καὶ πατάξαντός μου? λίθῳ τὴν θύραν , ἀνέῳξέ μοι ὁ / ἅγιος Γέρων , {{left sidenote|'''B'''}} ἔκλαμπον? ἔχων τὸ πρόσωπον καὶ / ἀγαλλιώμενον , καί φησι πρὸς με · Ἔγνως , ὦ / τέκνον , διὰ τί γέγονεν ἡ βροντὴ αὕτη ; Ἐμοῦ δὲ / εἰπόντος · Οὐχί , πάτερ . Ἀποκριθεὶς ἔτι πρὸς μέ φη‑ / σί · Πληροφορήθητι , τέκνον , ὅτι ἀναχωρητής τις / καὶ ἐρημοπολίτης , πλησίον τῆς νεκρᾶς θαλάσσης / περιπολῶν? , διψήσας ἐζήτησεν ὕδωρ , καὶ μὴ εὑ‑ / ρηκὼς ἠνιάθη , καὶ ἔκλαυσε , καὶ δέησιν πεποιηκότι? / αὐτῷ πρὸς τὸν Θεὸν , καὶ τὴν ἀνέκφραστον αὐτοῦ / ἀγαθότητα ἐκέλευσεν? , καὶ ἦλθεν ἡ νεφέλη , καὶ / τὸν? ἑαυτοῦ θεράποντα? κυδαίνων? ἐβρόντησε , καὶ / τὸν ὑετὸν ἐξαποστείλας , τὴν δίψαν τοῦ δούλου / αὐτοῦ ἰάσατο . Πολὺ δὲ θεωρῶν με ἐπὶ τούτοις / ἐκπλαγέντα , ἐδευτέρωσε τὸν λόγον καὶ ἐτρίτωσε , / διαβεβαιούμενός μοι τὸ θαῦμα . Καὶ μεθ' ἡμέρας / πέντε μετὰ τῶν συμμαθητῶν ἐπὶ τὴν νεκρὰν / ἐπορεύθην θάλατταν ἕνεκα συλλογῆς καλάμων , / προσταχθεὶς ὑπ' αὐτο τὰ ὀμβρικὰ σημειώσασθαι / ἴχνη , ὅπως ἀδυσίαντε? τύχοιμεν πληροφορίας . / Ἐλθόντες δὲ εἰς τὸν σημανθέντα τόπον ὑπὸ το / Γέροντος , καὶ εὑρόντες αὐτὰ? , ὥσπερ εἶπεν ἡμῖν , / ὑπεστρέψαμεν , χάριν τῷ Θεῷ ἐξομολογοῦντες , / καὶ τοῦ θαυμασίου Γέροντος τὴν διόρασιν / ἐκθειάζοντες .}}

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{{graeca|131 Καὶ ἄλλοτε διορατικῷ λαμπυρῷ? / ὄμματι ἐξαίσιον ἡμῖν εἶπεν πρᾶγμα , διατρίβων τό‑ / τε ἐν τοῖς τοῦ Καστελλίου σπηλαίοις κατὰ τὸν καιρὸν / τοῦ ἁγίου πατρὸς ἡμῶν Σάββα μνήμης , πα‑ / ρόντος τῷ ἐλλογιμωτάτῳ καὶ ἐναρέτῳ ἀββᾶ Εὐ‑ / σταθίῳ , τῷ νυνὶ ἐπισκόπῳ ὑπάρχοντι τῆς φιλοχρί‑ / στου πόλεως Λύδδης , εἰς ἐπίσκεψιν ἐληλυθότι . / Ἡμῶν δὲ περὶ τὴν ἑσπέραν ὀλίγον ἐσθιόντων / ὀπώρων , ἐξαίφνης τοῦ Γέροντος ὄψις ἐφά‑ / νη , δίκην ἡλίου καταλάμπουσα? ἐρευθραίνουσα . Ἡ‑ / μῶν ἀτενιζόντων αὐτῷ , ἔφη πρὸς μᾶς · Ὑμῖν / ἐρῶ , ὅτι κεῖται ἐνταῦθα πρὸ τ θύρ τοῦ / σπηλαίου κάλπη κεκρυμμένη χαμαί · καὶ εἰ θέ‑ / λετε πληροφορηθῆναι , σκάψατε , καὶ εὑρήσε‑ / τε αὐτήν . Παραυτίκα ὁ ἀββᾶς Εὐστάθιος / ἀναστάς , ἄνευ σμινύης ταῖς χερσὶν ὀρύττειν ἀπ‑ / ήρξατο . Ἀτονήσαντος δὲ αὐτο ταχέως , λέ‑ / γει πρὸς ἡμᾶς ὁ θεσπέσιος Γέρων · Οὔτε πί‑ / στιν , οὔτε ὑπομονὴν ἔχετε , ταπεινοί . Εὐθέως δὲ / συνορύττειν αὐτῷ ἐπελαβόμην . Σκάψαντες δὲ / ὁμοῦ καὶ βαθύναντες τὸν τόπον , καὶ μηδὲν εὑ‑ / ρηκότες , δυσπισίᾳ συνεσχέθημεν , καὶ παύσασθαι / τοῦ σκάπτειν ἠβουλήθημεν . Ὅθεν παραβλοσυμένως? / ἡμᾶς θεασάμενος ὁ Πρεσβύτης , διαχυθεὶς μι‑ / κρὸν καὶ ὑπομειδιάσας ἔφη · Στίξατε? ὀλίγον ἔτι , / ὀλιγόπιστοι · μικρὸν γὰρ πρὸς τὴν προσευχὴν ὁ Γέ‑ / ρων … }}

''Julii Tomus III.''

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{{right sidenote|''Cognóscit eremíta sitienti aquam divínitus concesſam;''}}'''P'''Ost hæc, cum à cella sub occasum solis ad Senis hesychasterium contenderem, die sabbati labentis Julii mensis, æstivo tempore, per viam strepere audio tonitrua, ac micare fulmina video, oppansâ super maris Mortui eremo exiguâ nubeculâ: dum hæc &amp; audita &amp; spectata mecum admiror, ad Senis hesychasterium devenio; lapide ostium pulsanti aperit mihi Senex, coruscanti facie atque exultanti similis, &amp; ait mihi: Nostin', fili, tonitruum istud quid sibi voluerit? Non equidem, inquam, Pater. {{right sidenote|'''E'''}}Respondit ille: Scito, fili, anachoretam quemdam &amp; solitudinis mari Mortuo adjacentis incolam circumcursasse, ut siti, qua premebatur, restinguendæ aquam uspiam inveniret, sed eâ minimè repertâ, in tristitiam ac fletum prorupit, factaque Deo supplicatione, impetravit ille pro sua bonitate ineffabili, &amp; venit nubes, &amp; famulum suum glorificans intonuit, inductâque pluviâ servi sui sitim sedavit. Cum vero multum hisce me commotum adverteret ac stupentem, verba eadem secundo ac tertiò ingeminabat, ut miraculi mihi veritatem asseveraret. Post dies autem quinque mare Mortuum colligendorum calamorum causâ unà cum condiscipulis adii, imbris indicia jussus observare, ut rei veritas nobis nullo negotio patefieret. Postquam itaque ad assignatum à Sene locum venissemus, remque ita habere comperissemus, uti dixerat nobis, reversi sumus, &amp; Dei confitentes gratiam, &amp; admirabilem Senis perspicientiam venerantes.

131 Aliàs quoque pervidenti illustratus oculo rem nobis dixit singularem, cum in Castellii spelæis tunc versaretur per dies, quibus sancti Patris nostri Sabbæ memoria celebratur, præsentе eximio plane, {{right sidenote|'''F'''}} ac suis claro virtutibus Abbate tum, nunc autem Lyddæ {{right sidenote|'''a'''}}, urbis Christo dilectæ, episcopo Eustathio, qui ad visitandum eum venerat. Cum igitur sub vesperam exiguum quiddam pomorum cœnassemus, illico Senis vultus, splendentis instar solis accensus, refulsit; dumque oculos in eum intendimus; Dico, inquit, vobis, abditam hic in terra juxta ostium speluncæ jacere pelvim; &amp; siquidem rem vultis pernoscere, fodite, &amp; eam invenietis. Surgit extemplo Abbas Eustathius, &amp; sine ligone terram egerere manibus occipit, quo ardorem illum cito remittente, ita nos mirificus Senex increpuit: Neque fidem, neque patientiam habetis, miseri. Incepi ergo &amp; ego statim unà fodere cum illo. Jam terram simul ambo erueramus, altèque penetraveramus in locum, cum, re nullâ detectâ, incredulitas nobis suborta est, &amp; supersedere placuit fossione. Quare Senex turbari nos conspicatus, atque explicata non nihil fronte subridens ait: Sustinete adhuc aliquantulum, modicæ fidei. Erutâ igitur, ad imperium Se‑… {{right sidenote|E e e}}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;!-- --&gt;
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{{graeca|Μετὰ δὲ ταῦτα , τοῦ λίου δυόντος , ἀπὸ / τοῦ κελίου ἐπὶ τὸ ἡσυχαστήριον τοῦ Γέροντος / πορευόμενος? , ἐν ἡμέρᾳ σαββάτῳ τοῦ Ἰουλίου μηνὸς / διϊσπεύοντος , ἐν θερμαῖς ὥραις , καὶ τὴν ὁδὸν ἀ‑ / κουω βροντῶν καταρρηγνυμένων , καὶ ἀστραπὰς ἐξ‑ / αστραπτούσας ὁρῶ , μικρᾶς νεφέλης ἐπὶ τὸ ἔρημον τῆς / νεκρᾶς θαλάσσης διαπετασθείσης? · τεθηπὼς? λίαν / ἐπὶ τῷ παραδόξῳ τότε ἀκούσματι καὶ θεάματι , / τὸ ἡσυχαστήριον τοῦ Γέροντος κατέλαβον · / καὶ πατάξαντός μου? λίθῳ τὴν θύραν , ἀνέῳξέ μοι ὁ / ἅγιος Γέρων ,}} {{left sidenote|'''B'''}} {{graeca| ἔκλαμπον? ἔχων τὸ πρόσωπον καὶ / ἀγαλλιώμενον , καί φησι πρὸς με · Ἔγνως , ὦ / τέκνον , διὰ τί γέγονεν ἡ βροντὴ αὕτη ; Ἐμοῦ δὲ / εἰπόντος · Οὐχί , πάτερ . Ἀποκριθεὶς ἔτι πρὸς μέ φη‑ / σί · Πληροφορήθητι , τέκνον , ὅτι ἀναχωρητής τις / καὶ ἐρημοπολίτης , πλησίον τῆς νεκρᾶς θαλάσσης / περιπολῶν? , διψήσας ἐζήτησεν ὕδωρ , καὶ μὴ εὑ‑ / ρηκὼς ἠνιάθη , καὶ ἔκλαυσε , καὶ δέησιν πεποιηκότι? / αὐτῷ πρὸς τὸν Θεὸν , καὶ τὴν ἀνέκφραστον αὐτοῦ / ἀγαθότητα ἐκέλευσεν? , καὶ ἦλθεν ἡ νεφέλη , καὶ / τὸν? ἑαυτοῦ θεράποντα? κυδαίνων? ἐβρόντησε , καὶ / τὸν ὑετὸν ἐξαποστείλας , τὴν δίψαν τοῦ δούλου / αὐτοῦ ἰάσατο . Πολὺ δὲ θεωρῶν με ἐπὶ τούτοις / ἐκπλαγέντα , ἐδευτέρωσε τὸν λόγον καὶ ἐτρίτωσε , / διαβεβαιούμενός μοι τὸ θαῦμα . Καὶ μεθ' ἡμέρας / πέντε μετὰ τῶν συμμαθητῶν ἐπὶ τὴν νεκρὰν / ἐπορεύθην θάλατταν ἕνεκα συλλογῆς καλάμων , / προσταχθεὶς ὑπ' αὐτο τὰ ὀμβρικὰ σημειώσασθαι / ἴχνη , ὅπως ἀδυσίαντε? τύχοιμεν πληροφορίας . / Ἐλθόντες δὲ εἰς τὸν σημανθέντα τόπον ὑπὸ το / Γέροντος , καὶ εὑρόντες αὐτὰ? , ὥσπερ εἶπεν ἡμῖν , / ὑπεστρέψαμεν , χάριν τῷ Θεῷ ἐξομολογοῦντες , / καὶ τοῦ θαυμασίου Γέροντος τὴν διόρασιν / ἐκθειάζοντες .}}

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{{graeca|131 Καὶ ἄλλοτε διορατικῷ λαμπυρῷ? / ὄμματι ἐξαίσιον ἡμῖν εἶπεν πρᾶγμα , διατρίβων τό‑ / τε ἐν τοῖς τοῦ Καστελλίου σπηλαίοις κατὰ τὸν καιρὸν / τοῦ ἁγίου πατρὸς ἡμῶν Σάββα μνήμης , πα‑ / ρόντος τῷ ἐλλογιμωτάτῳ καὶ ἐναρέτῳ ἀββᾶ Εὐ‑ / σταθίῳ , τῷ νυνὶ ἐπισκόπῳ ὑπάρχοντι τῆς φιλοχρί‑ / στου πόλεως Λύδδης , εἰς ἐπίσκεψιν ἐληλυθότι . / Ἡμῶν δὲ περὶ τὴν ἑσπέραν ὀλίγον ἐσθιόντων / ὀπώρων , ἐξαίφνης τοῦ Γέροντος ὄψις ἐφά‑ / νη , δίκην ἡλίου καταλάμπουσα? ἐρευθραίνουσα . Ἡ‑ / μῶν ἀτενιζόντων αὐτῷ , ἔφη πρὸς μᾶς · Ὑμῖν / ἐρῶ , ὅτι κεῖται ἐνταῦθα πρὸ τ θύρ τοῦ / σπηλαίου κάλπη κεκρυμμένη χαμαί · καὶ εἰ θέ‑ / λετε πληροφορηθῆναι , σκάψατε , καὶ εὑρήσε‑ / τε αὐτήν . Παραυτίκα ὁ ἀββᾶς Εὐστάθιος / ἀναστάς , ἄνευ σμινύης ταῖς χερσὶν ὀρύττειν ἀπ‑ / ήρξατο . Ἀτονήσαντος δὲ αὐτο ταχέως , λέ‑ / γει πρὸς ἡμᾶς ὁ θεσπέσιος Γέρων · Οὔτε πί‑ / στιν , οὔτε ὑπομονὴν ἔχετε , ταπεινοί . Εὐθέως δὲ / συνορύττειν αὐτῷ ἐπελαβόμην . Σκάψαντες δὲ / ὁμοῦ καὶ βαθύναντες τὸν τόπον , καὶ μηδὲν εὑ‑ / ρηκότες , δυσπισίᾳ συνεσχέθημεν , καὶ παύσασθαι / τοῦ σκάπτειν ἠβουλήθημεν . Ὅθεν παραβλοσυμένως? / ἡμᾶς θεασάμενος ὁ Πρεσβύτης , διαχυθεὶς μι‑ / κρὸν καὶ ὑπομειδιάσας ἔφη · Στίξατε? ὀλίγον ἔτι , / ὀλιγόπιστοι · μικρὸν γὰρ πρὸς τὴν προσευχὴν ὁ Γέ‑ / ρων … }}

''Julii Tomus III.''

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{{right sidenote|''Cognóscit eremíta sitienti aquam divínitus concesſam;''}}'''P'''Ost hæc, cum à cella sub occasum solis ad Senis hesychasterium contenderem, die sabbati labentis Julii mensis, æstivo tempore, per viam strepere audio tonitrua, ac micare fulmina video, oppansâ super maris Mortui eremo exiguâ nubeculâ: dum hæc &amp; audita &amp; spectata mecum admiror, ad Senis hesychasterium devenio; lapide ostium pulsanti aperit mihi Senex, coruscanti facie atque exultanti similis, &amp; ait mihi: Nostin', fili, tonitruum istud quid sibi voluerit? Non equidem, inquam, Pater. {{right sidenote|'''E'''}}Respondit ille: Scito, fili, anachoretam quemdam &amp; solitudinis mari Mortuo adjacentis incolam circumcursasse, ut siti, qua premebatur, restinguendæ aquam uspiam inveniret, sed eâ minimè repertâ, in tristitiam ac fletum prorupit, factaque Deo supplicatione, impetravit ille pro sua bonitate ineffabili, &amp; venit nubes, &amp; famulum suum glorificans intonuit, inductâque pluviâ servi sui sitim sedavit. Cum vero multum hisce me commotum adverteret ac stupentem, verba eadem secundo ac tertiò ingeminabat, ut miraculi mihi veritatem asseveraret. Post dies autem quinque mare Mortuum colligendorum calamorum causâ unà cum condiscipulis adii, imbris indicia jussus observare, ut rei veritas nobis nullo negotio patefieret. Postquam itaque ad assignatum à Sene locum venissemus, remque ita habere comperissemus, uti dixerat nobis, reversi sumus, &amp; Dei confitentes gratiam, &amp; admirabilem Senis perspicientiam venerantes.

131 Aliàs quoque pervidenti illustratus oculo rem nobis dixit singularem, cum in Castellii spelæis tunc versaretur per dies, quibus sancti Patris nostri Sabbæ memoria celebratur, præsentе eximio plane, {{right sidenote|'''F'''}} ac suis claro virtutibus Abbate tum, nunc autem Lyddæ {{right sidenote|'''a'''}}, urbis Christo dilectæ, episcopo Eustathio, qui ad visitandum eum venerat. Cum igitur sub vesperam exiguum quiddam pomorum cœnassemus, illico Senis vultus, splendentis instar solis accensus, refulsit; dumque oculos in eum intendimus; Dico, inquit, vobis, abditam hic in terra juxta ostium speluncæ jacere pelvim; &amp; siquidem rem vultis pernoscere, fodite, &amp; eam invenietis. Surgit extemplo Abbas Eustathius, &amp; sine ligone terram egerere manibus occipit, quo ardorem illum cito remittente, ita nos mirificus Senex increpuit: Neque fidem, neque patientiam habetis, miseri. Incepi ergo &amp; ego statim unà fodere cum illo. Jam terram simul ambo erueramus, altèque penetraveramus in locum, cum, re nullâ detectâ, incredulitas nobis suborta est, &amp; supersedere placuit fossione. Quare Senex turbari nos conspicatus, atque explicata non nihil fronte subridens ait: Sustinete adhuc aliquantulum, modicæ fidei. Erutâ igitur, ad imperium Se‑… {{right sidenote|E e e}}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;!-- --&gt;
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Senis, paulo altius humo, in pelvim incidimus antiquam, nihilque continentem. Sed eam ut invenimus, dubitatio subiit, ac suspicio, an non vel ipse abstrusisset eam ibi, vel alius quispiam, qui id ipsi significasset: Donec illum interrogavi, nosque securos reddere dignatus est, dicens: Testis profectò ipsa veritas, neque abscondisse me illam, neque de ea indicium mihi quemquam fecisse, neque reconditam illic eam latere vel cogitasse me ante horam hanc, quâ indicavi vobis. Tum enimvero manifestè deprehendi, perspicaci ductum collustratumque mentis intuitu assecutum hoc eum fuisse; ac Deum laudavi glorificantem famulos suos.
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{{graeca|ροντες σκάψαντες, εὕρομεν κάλαμιν παλαιάν, ἐσχηκυῖαν μηδέν. Εὐρεθείσης δὲ αὐτῆς ὑπεισῆλθεν ἡμῖν δυσπιστίας λογισμός, ποπτεύοντες τὸν Γέροντα κατακρύψαντα αὐτήν, καὶ ἑτέρ λέγοντι καὶ γνωρίσαντα αὐτῷ· μέχρις ο ἠρώτησα αὐτόν, καὶ πληροφορῆσαι? πυκνῶς? ἠξίωσε με, λέγων· Μάρτυς ἡ ἔντως ἀλήθεια, ὅτι οτε ἔκρυψα αὐτήν, ὅτε ποτέ τις ἀπήγγειλέ μοι περὶ αὐτῆς, ὅτε μὴ τὸ παρόν ἐνόησα, ὅτι κεῖται ἐκεῖ ἕως αὐτῆς τῆς ρας, ἐν ᾗ ἔφην ὑμῖν. Τότε δὲ κατενόησα σαφς, ὅτι διορατικῶς διακρινόμενον ἐμὲ καταυγασμένον? μαθεν, τότε ἐγνώρισα, καὶ ἐδόξασα τὸν Θεὸν τὸν δοξάζοντα τοὺς δούλους αὐτοῦ.}}
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| {{left sidenote|''Diſcipulo angelicam præſentiam ex odoris fragrantia cognoscendam præbet.''}} 132 Venerat aliquando hîc Senex discipulos nos suos invisurus in cella, cumque redire ad hesychasterium suum vellet, comitem ei me adjunxi. {{left sidenote|'''B'''}} Ubi hesychasterium attigimus; solitas fudimus preces, ac deinde confidentibus nobis tantisper in cella, sive spelunca Senis interiori, cœpit ex improviso laudes Deo hymnumque cantare, ac dicere: Ad me, ecce, profectò angelica visitatio hâc ipsâ horâ descendit. Ad quem ego perculsus: Unde id scis, inquam, Pater? Cui ille: O modicæ fidei, neque angelum vides, neque fortaſsis etiam suaveolentiam odoraris? Ego vero: Nequaquam, mi Pater, inquam. Tum hærentem me neque factæ sibi angelicæ apparitioni credentem satis intelligens, in miserabilem solvitur fletum dicens: Heu te infelicem! heu, &amp; tertiò heu! Quousque tam crassus ac durus esse perges &amp; incredulus; quousque sic eris? Dixerat; &amp; continuo suavissimum percepi odorem, qualem neque muscus, neque nardus, neque odoriferum quodcumque &amp; gratum suaveolensque unguentum exspirare mihi visum est umquam. Quo exhalato, ita denuo ad me ait optimus Senex: Nondum etiam nunc sanctam angelicamque fragrantiam persensisti; nondum adduci potes, ut credas? Cui ego: Omnino, Pater, &amp; sentio &amp; credo. Tum ita subjicit: Esto imposterum credulus, &amp; noli esse incredulus. {{left sidenote|'''C'''}} Ut igitur malignissimus tunc eram ac pessimus, in odorem istum tam peregrinum volens inquirere curiosius, atque evidenter explorare, causam inveni ut hesychasterio exirem, dispiceremque, num ex Laurâ fortè fragrantiæ illius jucundissimus afflatus à muscato thymiamate evaporatus aspirasset; quamquam planè dissimilis esset, tamen id feci, quo id quidquid esset, penitius ac certius introspicerem. Sed nullius re vera ad nares meas odoris aura delata est: neque enim omnino suffitus hora b tunc erat. Unde hæc oppidò admirans Deo gloriam dedi.
| {{graeca|132 Οὕτως ὁ θεοφόρος Γέρων ἐληλύθει τότε πρὸς ἡμᾶς τοὺς ἑαυτοῦ φοιτητὰς ἐπισκεψόμενος ἐν τῷ κελλίῳ. Βουληθέντος δὲ αὐτοῦ ἐπὶ τὸ ἴδιον ἐπανελθεῖν ἡσυχαστήριον, συνεπορεύθην αὐτῷ. Καταλαβόντες? ἐν τῷ ἡσυχαστηρίῳ τὴν συνήθη πεποιηκαμεν εὐχήν, καὶ μετέπειτα καθεσθέντων ἡμῶν ἐν τῷ ἐνδοτέρῳ τοῦ Γέροντος κελί ἤτοι σπηλαί, ἄρτι? τὴν ὥραν, αφνίδιον ἤρξατο ἀναπέμπειν τῷ Θε δοξολογίαν καὶ μνον, λέγων· {{right sidenote|'''E'''}} Πρός με, ἰδού, δὴ ἀγγελικὴ ἐπιφανεία ἐν ταύτ τῇ ὥρ ἐπεδήμησεν. Πρὸς ὃν ἐγὼ καταπλαγεὶς· Πόθεν δλον, ὦ πάτερ; ἔφην. Ὁ δὲ πρς με· Εἰ ὀλιγόπιστος, οὔτε τὸν ἄγγελον ὁρς, οὔτε τῆς εὐωδίας ὀσφραίνῃ? Ἐγ δέ· Οὐδαμς, ὦ πάτερ, φην. Ὁ δὲ διαλογισάμενος, καὶ δυσπιστοντά με... τὴν ὀφρύν αὐτο σπαρακτικῶς? ἐπισπάσας? λέγων· Οἴμοι σοι, ταπεινέ, οἴμοι, κα πάλιν οἴμοι. ως ἵνα ἔτι διαμένεις παχὺς καὶ ἀδρὸς καὶ ἄπιστος, ἕως πότε; Ταῦτα ἀπεφθέγξατο πρὸς με· ἐξαίφνης σφράνθην εὐωδίας, οἵας οὐδέποτε? μόσχου καὶ νάρδου καὶ μύρου παντς εὐωδέστατα? Ταύτης διαπνευσάσης?, ἐκ δευτέρου πάλιν ὁ ἀγαθὸς Γέρων λέγει· Καὶ νῦν ἄρα τῆς ἁγίας ἀγγελικῆς εὐωδίας ᾐσθάνθης?, ἔτι πληροφορίαν ἔτυχες? Ἐγὼ δὲ πρὸς αὐτὸν ἔφην· Ναὶ, πάτερ, ὠσφράνθην, καὶ ἐπίστευσα. δὲ πρὸς μὲ φησιν· Γίνε λοιπὸν πιστὸς καὶ μὴ ἄπιστος. {{right sidenote|'''F'''}} Ὡς ὢν τότε δεινς καὶ πονηρότατος, βουληθεὶς περ ταύτης τῆς ξένης εὐωδίας πολυπραγμονῆσαι καὶ σαφς ἀπελθεῖν, ἐπεχείρησα? ἐκτς τοῦ ἡσυχαστηρίου πορεύεσθαι, καὶ ἰδεῖν, μὴ ἄρα πνεῦμα ἀπὸ τῆς Λαύρας ἐκλάμψει? τς εὐωδίας ἐκείνης ἡ ἡδυσμένη πνοὴ ἀπὸ μοσχοθυμιάματος καπνιζομένη· ε καὶ ἀνόμοιον ὄντως, ὅμως ἕνεκα πληροφορίας μείζονος, πσαν τὴν... ἐξήλθον?· ἀλλ' οὐδενὸς ὄντως ες τὰς ἡμετέρας ζων ἦλθεν ὀσμή· οὐδὲ γὰρ παντάπασιν ὥρα θυμιάματος ἦν· ὅθεν ἐπὶ τούτοις λίαν τεθαυμακὼς δόξαν ἀνέπεμψα τῷ Θεῷ.}}
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| {{left sidenote|Amita Leontii Hieroſolymis ægrè ipſum accerſit.}} 133 Est mihi nutrix, patris soror, pia &amp; amans Deum. Hæc aliquando, sicut facere sæpe assueverat, in sanctam Jerusalem orationis causâ venerat cum ancilla quadam, quam religiosâ matrona jugo servitutis exemptam libertate donaverat. Ambæ itaque Hierosolymis sanctam Dominicæ Passionis celebritatem tranſigunt; inde vero in sanctum Sinaï montem c pro sua consuetudine, sunt profectæ: cumque sacra ac veneranda illic loca salutassent, in sanctam Urbem remearunt: in itinere autem amita mea in morbum incidit. Ubi urbem sanctam tenuerunt, &amp; aliquot ibi dies commoratæ sunt,
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Senis, paulo altius humo, in pelvim incidimus antiquam, nihilque continentem. Sed eam ut invenimus, dubitatio subiit, ac suspicio, an non vel ipse abstrusisset eam ibi, vel alius quispiam, qui id ipsi significasset: Donec illum interrogavi, nosque securos reddere dignatus est, dicens: Testis profectò ipsa veritas, neque abscondisse me illam, neque de ea indicium mihi quemquam fecisse, neque reconditam istic eam latere vel cogitasse me ante horam hanc, quâ indicavi vobis. Tum enimvero manifestè deprehendi, perspicaci ductum collustratumque mentis intuitu assecutum hoc eum fuisse; ac Deum laudavi glorificantem famulos suos.

{{left sidenote|''Discipulo angelicam præsentiam ex odoris fragrantia cognoscendam præbet.'' '''B'''}}132 Venerat aliquando hic Senex discipulos nos suos invisurus in cella, cumque redire ad hesychasterium suum vellet, comitem ei me adjunxi. Ubi hesychasterium attigimus; solitas fudimus preces, ac deinde confidentibus nobis tantisper in cella, sive spelunca Senis interiori, cœpit ex improviso laudes Deo hymnumque cantare, ac dicere: Ad me, ecce, profectò angelica visitatio hâc ipsâ horâ descendit. Ad quem ego perculsus: Unde id scis, inquam, Pater? Cui ille: O modicæ fidei, neque angelum vides, neque fortaſsis etiam suaveolentiam odoraris? Ego vero: Nequaquam, mi Pater, inquam. Tum hærentem me neque factæ sibi angelicæ apparitioni credentem satis intelligens, in miserabilem solvitur fletum dicens: Heu te infelicem! heu, &amp; tertiò heu! Quousque tam crassus ac durus esse perges &amp; incredulus; quousque sic eris? Dixerat; &amp; continuo suavissimum percepi odorem, qualem neque muscus, neque nardus, neque odoriferum quodcumque &amp; gratum suaveolensque unguentum exspirare mihi visum est umquam. Quo exhalato, ita denuo ad me ait optimus Senex: Nondum etiam nunc sanctam angelicamque fragrantiam persensisti; nondum adduci potes, ut credas? Cui ego: Omnino, Pater, &amp; sentio &amp; credo. Tum ita subjicit: Esto imposterum credulus, &amp; noli esse incredulus. Ut igitur malignissimus tunc eram ac pessimus, in odorem istum tam peregrinum volens inquirere curiosius, atque evidenter explorare, causam inveni ut hesychasterio exirem, dispiceremque, num ex Laura fortè fragrantiæ istius jucundissimus afflatus à muscato thymiamate evaporatus aspirasset; quamquam planè dissimilis esset, tamen id feci, quo id quidquid esset, penitius ac certius introspicerem. Sed nullius re vera ad nares meas odoris aura delata est: {{left sidenote|''b''}}neque enim omnino suffitus hora b tunc erat. Unde hæc oppidò admirans Deo gloriam dedi.

{{left sidenote|''Amita Leontii Hierosolymis ægra ipsum accersit.''}}133 Est mihi nutrix, patris soror, pia &amp; amans Deum. Hæc aliquando, sicut facere sæpe assueverat, in sanctam Jerusalem orationis causâ venerat cum ancilla quadam, quam religiosa matrona jugo servitutis exemptam libertate donaverat. Ambæ itaque Hierosolymis sanctam Dominicæ Passionis celebritatem transigunt; inde vero in sanctum Sinai montem {{left sidenote|''c''}}c pro sua consuetudine, sunt profectæ: cumque sacra ac veneranda istic loca salutassent, in sanctam Urbem remearunt: in itinere autem amita mea in morbum incidit. Ubi urbem sanctam tenuerunt, &amp; aliquot ibi dies commoratæ sunt, …

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{{graeca|… ροντος σκάψαντες , εὕρομεν κάλαμιν παλαιὰν , / ἐσχηκυῖαν μηδέν . Εὑρεθείσης δὲ αὐτῆς ὑπεισ‑ / ῆλθεν ἡμῖν δυσπιστίας λογισμὸς , ποπτεύοντες / τὸν Γέροντα κατακρύψαντα αὐτὴν , καὶ ἑτερόν τι‑ / να γνωρίσαντα αὐτῷ · ἄχρις οὗ ἠρώτησα / αὐτὸν , καὶ πληροφορίας τυχεῖν ἠξίωσέ με , λέ‑ / γων · Μάρτυς ἡ ντως ἀλήθεια , ὅτι οὔτε ἔκρυ‑ / ψα αὐτὴν , ὅτε ποτέ τις ἀνήγγειλέ μοι περὶ / ατῆς , ὅτε μὴ τὸ παράπαν ἐνόησα , ὅτι κεῖ‑ / ται ἐκεῖ ως αὐτῆς τῆς ὥρας , ἐν ᾗ ἔφην ὑ‑ / μῖν . Τότε δὴ τότε κατενόησα σαφῶς , ὅτι διο‑ / ρατικῶς διωραϊσμένος καὶ καταυγασμένος ἔμ‑ / μαθε τοῦτο? ἐγνώρισε? · καὶ ἐδόξασα τὸν Θε‑ / ὸν , τὸν δοξάζοντα τοὺς δούλους αὐτοῦ .}}

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{{graeca|132 Οὕτως ὁ θεοφόρος Γέρων ἐληλύθει τό‑ / τε πρὸς ἡμᾶς , τοὺς ἑαυτοῦ φοιτητὰς ἐπισκεψό‑ / μενος ἐν τῷ κελλίῳ . Βουληθέντος δὲ αὐτοῦ ἐπὶ / τὸ ἴδιον ἐπαναδῦναι ἡσυχαστήριον , συνεπορεύθην / αὐτ . Καταντήσαντες δὲ εἰς τὸ ἡσυχαστήριον , / τὴν συνήθη πεποιήκαμεν εὐχὴν , καὶ μετέ‑ / πειτα καθεσθέντων ἡμῶν ἐν τῷ ἐνδοτέρῳ τοῦ / Γέροντος κελλίῳ τοι σπηλαί ἐπὶ βραχυτά‑ / την ὥραν , αἰφνίδιον ἤρξατο ἀναπέμπειν τῷ Θεῷ / δοξολογίαν καὶ ὕμνον , λέγων · Πρός με , ἰδὲ , δὴ / ἀγγελικὴ παρουσία ἐν ταύτῃ τ ὥρᾳ ἐπεδή‑ / μησε . Πρὸς ὃν καταπλαγείς · Πόθεν δῆλον , ὦ / πάτερ ; ἔφην . Ὁ δὲ πρὸς με · Ὦ ὀλιγόπιστε , / οὔτε τὸν ἄγγελον ὁρᾷς , κἂν τῆς εὐωδίας ἐκ ὀσ‑ / φραίνῃ? ; Ἐγὼ δέ · Οὐδαμῶς , ὦ πάτερ , ἔφην . Ὁ / δέ με διαλογιζόμενον , καὶ δυσπιστοῦντα εἰς τν / ἀγγελικὴν ὑπονοίαν? ἰδὼν , τὴν φρῦν? ἑαυτοῦ? / σκυθρωπῶς? ἐπαλάνισε? λέγων · Ἀβὰλαι? σοὶ , / ταπεινὲ , ἀβὰλαι? , καὶ τρὶς ἀβὰλαι? ! Ἕως τίνος? / ἔτι? διαμένεις παχὺς καὶ ἀδρὸς καὶ ἄπιστος , ἕως / πότε? ἔτι? ; Ταῦτα ἀπεφθέγξατο πρὸς με · ἐξαί‑ / φνης ὠσφράνθην εὐωδίας , οἵας ὠσφράνθην ἐ‑ / δέποτε? μόσχου? καὶ νάρδου , καὶ μύρου? παντὸς / ἐνεσμοτέρας? καὶ σεσηνεστέρας? καὶ ἀσμενεστέρας? . / Ταύτης δὴ ἐκβλυσάσης , ἐκ δευτέρου πάλιν ὁ / Καλόγηρος λέγει · Καὶ νῦν ἄρα τῆς ἁγίας ἀγγελικῆς / ὠσφράνθης? ἐνωδίας? , οὐδὲ? πληροφορίας ἔτυχες ; Ἐγὼ / δὲ πρὸς αὐτὸν ἔφην · Ναὶ , πάτερ , ὠσφράνθην , / καὶ ἐπίστευσα . Ὁ δὲ πρὸς μέ φησι · Γίνε λοι‑ / πὸν πιστὸς καὶ μὴ ἄπιστος .}}
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{{graeca|Ὡς ἦν τότε δεινότατος ὑπάρχων καὶ πονηρότατος , βουληθεὶς / περὶ ταύτης τῆς ξένης ἐνωδίας πολυπραγμονῆ‑ / σαι , καὶ σαφῶς ἀπελβεύσασθαι? , ἐπειράθην? / ἐκτὸς τοῦ ἡσυχαστηρίου πορεύεσθαι , καὶ ἰδεῖν , μὴ / ρα τάχα ἀπὸ τῆς Λαύρας ἐλήλυθε τῆς ἐνω‑ / δίας ἐκείνης ἡ ἡδυτάτη πνοὴ ἀπὸ μοσχάτου θυ‑ / μιάματος καπνισθεῖσα · εἰ καὶ ἀνόμοιος ἦν , ἀλλ' ὅμως / ἕνεκα πληροφορίας μείζονος , τοῦτο? ἐπειρά‑ / γασμαι? · ἀλλ' οὐδενὸς ὄντως εἰς τὰς ἐμὰς ῥῖ‑ / νας ἦλθεν ὀσμή · οὔτε γὰρ παντάπασιν ὥρα / θυμιάσεως ἦν · ὅθεν ἐπὶ τούτοις λίαν τεθαυ‑ / μακὼς δόξαν ἀνέπεμψα τῷ Θεῷ .}}

{{graeca|133 Τιτθίδα πατραδέλφην? εὐλαβῆ καὶ φιλόθεον ἔχω · / αὕτη δέ ποτε , ὥσπερ ἡ ἀρχὴ? πολλάκις ἔιωθε , / τὴν γίαν ερουσαλμ εὐχῆς ἕνεκεν / κατέλαβε σὺν ἴνι? θεραπαινίδι , ἣν ἐκ δουλικοῦ / ζυγοῦ λυθεῖσαν? ἐλευθερίας ἠξίωσεν . Ἀμφότεραι δὲ ἐν Ἱεροσολύμοις τὴν ἁγίαν τοῦ σω‑ / τηριώδους Πάθους πανήγυριν ἐκτελέσασαι , κἀκεῖ‑ / θεν ἐπὶ τὸ Σιναῖον πορευθῆσαι , ἅμα ὄρθρῳ? , ὡς / ἠθισμέναι ἦσαν , καὶ τὰ ἐκεῖ θεά τε καὶ σεβά‑ / σμια ἀσπασάμεναι , ὑπέστρεψαν εἰς τὴν ἁγίαν / πόλιν . Κατὰ δὲ τὴν δὸν ἡ ἐμὴ θεία νόσῳ / περιέπεσεν? . Καταλαβοῦσαι δὲ τὴν ἁγίαν πό‑ / λιν , καί τινας ἡμέρας ἐκεῖ διαμείνασαι , τὴν? παρὰ? …}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;!-- --&gt;
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|-&lt;/noinclude&gt;| {{left sidenote|'''A'''}} {{graeca|παρὰ τοῦ Θεοῦ σωτηρίαν τε καὶ ἴασιν ἀπεδεχόμεθα, οὐδὲν μᾶλλον ἤνυσαμεν, τὸ νόσημα μανιωδέστερον ἢ ἐπὶ τὸ χεῖρον ἀεὶ ῥέπον, τῆς θεϊκῆς δηλαδὴ προνοίας ταῦτα συμφερόντως βραβευούσης. Ἐκεῖνη τοίνυν ἰδοῦσα ἡ ἐμὴ θεία ἡμέρᾳ τῇ ἡμέρᾳ βαρυνομένην τε καὶ τρυχομένην, καὶ τὴν νόσον ἀκμάζουσαν, καὶ πρὸς τὰς τοῦ θανάτου θύρας ἐγγιζοῦσαν, ὡς ᾤετο, μεταπέμπεται με μετὰ τινὸς τῶν πατέρων.}}
| {{right sidenote|'''A''' LEONTIO DISC. EX MS.GR.}} salutem à Deo &amp; valetudinem expectantes, nihil proficere, protracta in longum ægritudine, ac vertente semper in deterius; quod divinâ videlicet in rem nostram providentiâ factum est. Amita ergo mea gravari in dies se ac descrescere; morbum vero invalescere sentiens, ac prope jam abesse, ut putabat, à mortis limine; accersi me cum aliquo de patribus jubet.
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| 134 {{graeca|Ἐγὼ δὲ μαθὼν, παρὰ τοῦ Ἐπισκόπου ἄδειαν λαβὼν, κατέλαβον πρὸς αὐτήν. Ἡ δέ με κατιδοῦσα ἔφη· Πίευσέ μοι, τέκνον, τοῦτο, ὡς ἔτυχεν, τοῦ σε ἐνταῦθα παραγενέσθαι· ἀλλὰ διὰ Θεόν, καὶ καλὸν καὶ σωτήριον ἔργον· μὴ οὖν λοιπόν, τοῦ σε πρὸς μικρὸν ἔκτος τῆς λαύρας γενέσθαι, καὶ τοῦτο ὑπομείνας· τὸν σκοπὸν πρὸς τὸ σύμφορον τοῦ πράγματος πέρας. Ἀκούω δὲ, τινὰ τῶν ὧδε ἀρχόντων ἐξουσίαν ἔχοντα καὶ δυναστεύοντα καὶ ἀδίκως κρίνοντα καὶ τὰ τῶν ἀνθρώπων ἀφαιρούμενον καὶ διαρπάζοντα, μάλιστα τῶν ἀσθενῶν καὶ παροίκων καὶ ξένων ἐπιτηροῦντα, καὶ παρ' οἷς ἀφορμὴν εὕροι· πρὸ ἡμερῶν γὰρ ξένος τις προσεκλύθη, ὥσπερ καὶ ἐμοί, ἐν αὐλῇ τινος τῶν ἐνταῦθα Χριστιανῶν ἐτελεύτησε, πολλὰς ἐγκαταλελοιπὼς κληρονόμους τῆς ἑαυτοῦ περιουσίας, καὶ τούτων οὐδενὸς παρενθεθέντος, εὑρὼν ὁ τύραννος, ἃ ἐγκατέλιπε χρήματα, οὐκ ἐν ταύτῃ μόνον τῇ κακίᾳ ἠρκέσθη, ἀλλ' ἕως ἦλθε καὶ ἐπὶ τοὺς ἐκείνου οἰκείους, ἀλλ' ἄνευ δέους ἢ συστολῆς καὶ τῶν φιλοχρίστων ἐκείνων χρήματα, περὶ οὓς δῆλον ὁ τελευτήσας ξένος, διήρκετο· πρὸς δὲ τούτοις ἔξω αὐτοὺς ἢ ἐν φυλακῇ; τοῖς ποσὶν αὐτῶν ἐπιβαλὼν πέδας. Ἐγὼ τοίνυν ἐνταῦθα τῶν ἐμῶν συγγενῶν μεμονωμένην ἔχουσα μόνην κληρονόμον, εἴπερ ὁ Θεὸς ἐπινεύσειε τῇ νόσῳ ταύτῃ τὸ πῶς τὴν ἀθλίαν ψυχήν μοι ἀποκαλέσασθαι. Οὐδενὸς δὲ ἕνεκεν ὑμᾶς λυπῶμαι, ἀλλ' ὑπὲρ πάντων τὴν ταπεινὴν κόρην· φοβοῦμαι δὲ, μήπως ἀδίκως ληφθῇ χάριν τῆς ἐμῆς διακονίας μοι, ἢ περὶ τούτων πάλιν τῶν φιλοχρίστων παρὰ τοῦ τυράννου. Διὸ δέομαι, τέκνον, παράσχες μοι Ἄραβας ἄνδρας, οὓς βούλει, ἵνα μαρτυρωμένη αὐτοῖς, ὅτι οὐδὲν ἐνταῦθα τὸ παράπαν κέκτημαι, ἢ ὅτι ἡ κόρη αὐτὴ ἐλευθέρα τε καὶ ἀδέσποτος ὑπάρχει, καὶ παραμένουσιν ἡμῖν, ἄχρις οὗ ἂν ἴδῃς τὴν ἔκβασιν τοῦ νοσήματος τούτου, ὃ νῦν με κατέχοντος, καὶ γνωρίσῃς, ὅτι ἀληθῶς ἐμὸς ἀδελφιδοῦς.}}
| 134 Ego statim ut rescii, accepta à Magistro facultate, ad illam me confero.{{right sidenote|''ad quam se confert:''}} Ut me vidit: Crede mihi, ait, fili, nec levi de causâ; neque temere hunc ad me veniendi laborem suscipere te volui; sed Dei, operisque præclari ac salutiferi causâ: ceterum ne te macera, si relicta tantisper Laurâ tuâ, aliquod incommodi senseris; sed utilem negotii finem ante oculos habe. Audio enim dominantem hîc magistratum tyrannicè, perversè, injustèque administrare rem suam, fortunis homines evertere, ac maximè imbecillos, accolas, hospites, tum apud quos occasionem opportunè quamdam invenerit, spoliare facultatibus suis.{{right sidenote|'''E'''}} Nam ante dies aliquot, ut relatum est mihi, peregrinus quidam in atrio alicujus hîc Christiani mortuus est, institutis opum suarum hæredibus multis; eorum autem nemine coram hîc per id tempus comparente, occasione arrepta, tyrannus quidquid reliquerat diripuit, involavit ipse; neque verò hoc flagitio contentus fuit; neque hîc stetit insatiabilis ejus avaritia; sed palam, absque ullo metu aut modo, Christianorum, apud quos defunctus hospes perhumaniter habitus egerat, bona diripuit: atque ipsos insuper ferrea compede adstrictos conjecit in custodiam. Et ego igitur, cognatis hîc meis destituta, hæredem aliquem, siquidem Deo visum fuerit ad sese ex hac infirmitate evocare miseram atque afflictam hanc animam, nuncupabo. Nihil enim ita me cruciat, uti misera hæc puella: quippe quam vereor ne ob exhibitum mihi in comitatu obsequium contra jus fasque comprehendant; deinde etiam Christiani, qui me exceperunt hospitio. Quamobrem dato te precibus meis, fili, &amp; Arabes mihi viros delectos atque authoritate præditos adducito, ut eos testes adhibeam, nihil hîc omnino me possidere, virginemque hanc liberam esse ac nulli domino subjectam;{{right sidenote|'''F'''}} tum apud nos mane; donec morbi hujus, qui me graviter vehementerque exercet, eventum videris; atque ita genuinum te fratris mei filium exhibueris.
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| 135 {{graeca|Ἀκούσας ταῦτα παρὰ τῆς ἐμῆς θείας, συμφέρον εἶναι τὸ παρ' αὐτῇ διατρίβειν· τὰς ἡμέρας ἱκανὰς διατρίψας, τὸ δοκοῦν ἐξελθεῖν ἐπεθύμησα, καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν Λαύραν ὑποστρέψαι· ἀλλ' ἐμαυτὸν κατακρίνας τοῦτο, αὖθις παρέμεινα, καὶ χρονίως αὖθις διατρίψας, πάλιν ἀναχωρῆσαι ἠθέλησα διὰ τοῦ ἐμοῦ συνειδότος σκανδάλου πάλιν, καὶ αὖθις διὰ τοῦτο ἐπὶ τῶν λογισμῶν πιέζοντός τε καὶ πολεμοῦντος ἐμένων. Τελευταίως δὲ ἐβουλευσάμην πρὸς τὸν ἐμὸν Ἐπιστάτην ἀπελθεῖν, καὶ ἐρέσθαι αὐτόν, εἰς τί μέλει λήξειν τὸ πρᾶγμα, εἴτε ἐς ὑγείαν, εἴτε εἰς θάνατον. Ἀλλ' εἴθε μοι τοῦτο ἐξ ἀρχῆς ποιήσασθαι, καὶ μὴ τὸν ἐν μέσῳ κοσμικῶν ἐν ἀμελείᾳ βίον ἐπισύραι ἐπὶ τοσόντον καιρόν.}}
| 135 Postquam ista ex amita intellexeram, consultius esse duxi ab ea non discedere;{{right sidenote|''hic diuturnioris apud caros moræ pertæsus,''}} at exactis istic diebus non paucis pænitere me facti cœpit, jamque è civitate cogitabam abire &amp; reverti in Lauram: sed damnato mox consilio, cohibui memet, &amp; permansi: ac post tempus satis longum, otium iterum subrepsit ac tædium, placebatque proficisci: sed mea me denuo conscientia inhibuit. Idemque mihi, cogitationibus presso impugnatoque, iterum ac tertio accidit. Tandem inquietus animi adire Magistrum statui, atque ex eo quærere, quod res demum esset evasura, ad sanitatem, an ad mortem. Sed utinam istud fecissem ab initio, neque vitam in medio secularium otiosam tam diu segnemque duxissem!&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;!-- --&gt;
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|-&lt;/noinclude&gt;| {{left sidenote|'''A'''}} {{graeca|παρὰ τοῦ Θεοῦ σωτηρίαν τε καὶ ἴασιν ἀπεδεχόμεθα, οὐδὲν μᾶλλον ἤνυσαμεν, τὸ νόσημα μανιωδέστερον ἢ ἐπὶ τὸ χεῖρον ἀεὶ ῥέπον, τῆς θεϊκῆς δηλαδὴ προνοίας ταῦτα συμφερόντως βραβευούσης. Ἐκεῖνη τοίνυν ἰδοῦσα ἡ ἐμὴ θεία ἡμέρᾳ τῇ ἡμέρᾳ βαρυνομένην τε καὶ τρυχομένην, καὶ τὴν νόσον ἀκμάζουσαν, καὶ πρὸς τὰς τοῦ θανάτου θύρας ἐγγιζοῦσαν, ὡς ᾤετο, μεταπέμπεται με μετὰ τινὸς τῶν πατέρων.}}
| {{right sidenote|'''A''' LEONTIO DISC. EX MS.GR.}} salutem à Deo &amp; valetudinem expectantes, nihil proficere, protracta in longum ægritudine, ac vertente semper in deterius; quod divinâ videlicet in rem nostram providentiâ factum est. Amita ergo mea gravari in dies se ac descrescere; morbum vero invalescere sentiens, ac prope jam abesse, ut putabat, à mortis limine; accersi me cum aliquo de patribus jubet.
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| 134 {{graeca|Ἐγὼ δὲ μαθὼν, παρὰ τοῦ Ἐπισκόπου ἄδειαν λαβὼν, κατέλαβον πρὸς αὐτήν. Ἡ δέ με κατιδοῦσα ἔφη· Πίευσέ μοι, τέκνον, τοῦτο, ὡς ἔτυχεν, τοῦ σε ἐνταῦθα παραγενέσθαι· ἀλλὰ διὰ Θεόν, καὶ καλὸν καὶ σωτήριον ἔργον· μὴ οὖν λοιπόν, τοῦ σε πρὸς μικρὸν ἔκτος τῆς λαύρας γενέσθαι, καὶ τοῦτο ὑπομείνας· τὸν σκοπὸν πρὸς τὸ σύμφορον τοῦ πράγματος πέρας.}} {{left sidenote|'''B'''}} {{graeca|Ἀκούω δὲ, τινὰ τῶν ὧδε ἀρχόντων ἐξουσίαν ἔχοντα καὶ δυναστεύοντα καὶ ἀδίκως κρίνοντα καὶ τὰ τῶν ἀνθρώπων ἀφαιρούμενον καὶ διαρπάζοντα, μάλιστα τῶν ἀσθενῶν καὶ παροίκων καὶ ξένων ἐπιτηροῦντα, καὶ παρ' οἷς ἀφορμὴν εὕροι· πρὸ ἡμερῶν γὰρ ξένος τις προσεκλύθη, ὥσπερ καὶ ἐμοί, ἐν αὐλῇ τινος τῶν ἐνταῦθα Χριστιανῶν ἐτελεύτησε, πολλὰς ἐγκαταλελοιπὼς κληρονόμους τῆς ἑαυτοῦ περιουσίας, καὶ τούτων οὐδενὸς παρενθεθέντος, εὑρὼν ὁ τύραννος, ἃ ἐγκατέλιπε χρήματα, οὐκ ἐν ταύτῃ μόνον τῇ κακίᾳ ἠρκέσθη, ἀλλ' ἕως ἦλθε καὶ ἐπὶ τοὺς ἐκείνου οἰκείους, ἀλλ' ἄνευ δέους ἢ συστολῆς καὶ τῶν φιλοχρίστων ἐκείνων χρήματα, περὶ οὓς δῆλον ὁ τελευτήσας ξένος, διήρκετο· πρὸς δὲ τούτοις ἔξω αὐτοὺς ἢ ἐν φυλακῇ; τοῖς ποσὶν αὐτῶν ἐπιβαλὼν πέδας. Ἐγὼ τοίνυν ἐνταῦθα τῶν ἐμῶν συγγενῶν μεμονωμένην ἔχουσα μόνην κληρονόμον, εἴπερ ὁ Θεὸς ἐπινεύσειε τῇ νόσῳ ταύτῃ τὸ πῶς τὴν ἀθλίαν ψυχήν μοι ἀποκαλέσασθαι. Οὐδενὸς δὲ ἕνεκεν ὑμᾶς λυπῶμαι, ἀλλ' ὑπὲρ πάντων τὴν ταπεινὴν κόρην· φοβοῦμαι δὲ, μήπως ἀδίκως ληφθῇ χάριν τῆς ἐμῆς διακονίας μοι, ἢ περὶ τούτων πάλιν τῶν φιλοχρίστων παρὰ τοῦ τυράννου.}} {{left sidenote|'''B'''}} {{graeca| Διὸ δέομαι, τέκνον, παράσχες μοι Ἄραβας ἄνδρας, οὓς βούλει, ἵνα μαρτυρωμένη αὐτοῖς, ὅτι οὐδὲν ἐνταῦθα τὸ παράπαν κέκτημαι, ἢ ὅτι ἡ κόρη αὐτὴ ἐλευθέρα τε καὶ ἀδέσποτος ὑπάρχει, καὶ παραμένουσιν ἡμῖν, ἄχρις οὗ ἂν ἴδῃς τὴν ἔκβασιν τοῦ νοσήματος τούτου, ὃ νῦν με κατέχοντος, καὶ γνωρίσῃς, ὅτι ἀληθῶς ἐμὸς ἀδελφιδοῦς.}}

| 134 Ego statim ut rescii, accepta à Magistro facultate, ad illam me confero.{{right sidenote|''ad quam se confert:''}} Ut me vidit: Crede mihi, ait, fili, nec levi de causâ; neque temere hunc ad me veniendi laborem suscipere te volui; sed Dei, operisque præclari ac salutiferi causâ: ceterum ne te macera, si relicta tantisper Laurâ tuâ, aliquod incommodi senseris; sed utilem negotii finem ante oculos habe. Audio enim dominantem hîc magistratum tyrannicè, perversè, injustèque administrare rem suam, fortunis homines evertere, ac maximè imbecillos, accolas, hospites, tum apud quos occasionem opportunè quamdam invenerit, spoliare facultatibus suis.{{right sidenote|'''E'''}} Nam ante dies aliquot, ut relatum est mihi, peregrinus quidam in atrio alicujus hîc Christiani mortuus est, institutis opum suarum hæredibus multis; eorum autem nemine coram hîc per id tempus comparente, occasione arrepta, tyrannus quidquid reliquerat diripuit, involavit ipse; neque verò hoc flagitio contentus fuit; neque hîc stetit insatiabilis ejus avaritia; sed palam, absque ullo metu aut modo, Christianorum, apud quos defunctus hospes perhumaniter habitus egerat, bona diripuit: atque ipsos insuper ferrea compede adstrictos conjecit in custodiam. Et ego igitur, cognatis hîc meis destituta, hæredem aliquem, siquidem Deo visum fuerit ad sese ex hac infirmitate evocare miseram atque afflictam hanc animam, nuncupabo. Nihil enim ita me cruciat, uti misera hæc puella: quippe quam vereor ne ob exhibitum mihi in comitatu obsequium contra jus fasque comprehendant; deinde etiam Christiani, qui me exceperunt hospitio. Quamobrem dato te precibus meis, fili, &amp; Arabes mihi viros delectos atque authoritate præditos adducito, ut eos testes adhibeam, nihil hîc omnino me possidere, virginemque hanc liberam esse ac nulli domino subjectam;{{right sidenote|'''F'''}} tum apud nos mane; donec morbi hujus, qui me graviter vehementerque exercet, eventum videris; atque ita genuinum te fratris mei filium exhibueris.
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| 135 {{graeca|Ἀκούσας ταῦτα παρὰ τῆς ἐμῆς θείας, συμφέρον εἶναι τὸ παρ' αὐτῇ διατρίβειν· τὰς ἡμέρας ἱκανὰς διατρίψας, τὸ δοκοῦν ἐξελθεῖν ἐπεθύμησα, καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν Λαύραν ὑποστρέψαι· ἀλλ' ἐμαυτὸν κατακρίνας τοῦτο, αὖθις παρέμεινα, καὶ χρονίως αὖθις διατρίψας, πάλιν ἀναχωρῆσαι ἠθέλησα διὰ τοῦ ἐμοῦ συνειδότος σκανδάλου πάλιν, καὶ αὖθις διὰ τοῦτο ἐπὶ τῶν λογισμῶν πιέζοντός τε καὶ πολεμοῦντος ἐμένων. Τελευταίως δὲ ἐβουλευσάμην πρὸς τὸν ἐμὸν Ἐπιστάτην ἀπελθεῖν, καὶ ἐρέσθαι αὐτόν, εἰς τί μέλει λήξειν τὸ πρᾶγμα, εἴτε ἐς ὑγείαν, εἴτε εἰς θάνατον. Ἀλλ' εἴθε μοι τοῦτο ἐξ ἀρχῆς ποιήσασθαι, καὶ μὴ τὸν ἐν μέσῳ κοσμικῶν ἐν ἀμελείᾳ βίον ἐπισύραι ἐπὶ τοσόντον καιρόν.}}
| 135 Postquam ista ex amita intellexeram, consultius esse duxi ab ea non discedere;{{right sidenote|''hic diuturnioris apud caros moræ pertæsus,''}} at exactis istic diebus non paucis pænitere me facti cœpit, jamque è civitate cogitabam abire &amp; reverti in Lauram: sed damnato mox consilio, cohibui memet, &amp; permansi: ac post tempus satis longum, otium iterum subrepsit ac tædium, placebatque proficisci: sed mea me denuo conscientia inhibuit. Idemque mihi, cogitationibus presso impugnatoque, iterum ac tertio accidit. Tandem inquietus animi adire Magistrum statui, atque ex eo quærere, quod res demum esset evasura, ad sanitatem, an ad mortem. Sed utinam istud fecissem ab initio, neque vitam in medio secularium otiosam tam diu segnemque duxissem!&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;!-- --&gt;
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|-&lt;/noinclude&gt;| {{left sidenote|'''A'''}} {{graeca|παρὰ τοῦ Θεοῦ σωτηρίαν τε καὶ ἴασιν ἀπεδεχόμεθα, οὐδὲν μᾶλλον ἤνυσαμεν, τὸ νόσημα μανιωδέστερον ἢ ἐπὶ τὸ χεῖρον ἀεὶ ῥέπον, τῆς θεϊκῆς δηλαδὴ προνοίας ταῦτα συμφερόντως βραβευούσης. Ἐκεῖνη τοίνυν ἰδοῦσα ἡ ἐμὴ θεία ἡμέρᾳ τῇ ἡμέρᾳ βαρυνομένην τε καὶ τρυχομένην, καὶ τὴν νόσον ἀκμάζουσαν, καὶ πρὸς τὰς τοῦ θανάτου θύρας ἐγγιζοῦσαν, ὡς ᾤετο, μεταπέμπεται με μετὰ τινὸς τῶν πατέρων.}}
| {{right sidenote|'''A''' LEONTIO DISC. EX MS.GR.}} salutem à Deo &amp; valetudinem expectantes, nihil proficere, protracta in longum ægritudine, ac vertente semper in deterius; quod divinâ videlicet in rem nostram providentiâ factum est. Amita ergo mea gravari in dies se ac descrescere; morbum vero invalescere sentiens, ac prope jam abesse, ut putabat, à mortis limine; accersi me cum aliquo de patribus jubet.
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| 134 {{graeca|Ἐγὼ δὲ μαθὼν, παρὰ τοῦ Ἐπισκόπου ἄδειαν λαβὼν, κατέλαβον πρὸς αὐτήν. Ἡ δέ με κατιδοῦσα ἔφη· Πίευσέ μοι, τέκνον, τοῦτο, ὡς ἔτυχεν, τοῦ σε ἐνταῦθα παραγενέσθαι· ἀλλὰ διὰ Θεόν, καὶ καλὸν καὶ σωτήριον ἔργον· μὴ οὖν λοιπόν, τοῦ σε πρὸς μικρὸν ἔκτος τῆς λαύρας γενέσθαι, καὶ τοῦτο ὑπομείνας· τὸν σκοπὸν πρὸς τὸ σύμφορον τοῦ πράγματος πέρας.}} {{left sidenote|'''B'''}} {{graeca|Ἀκούω δὲ, τινὰ τῶν ὧδε ἀρχόντων ἐξουσίαν ἔχοντα καὶ δυναστεύοντα καὶ ἀδίκως κρίνοντα καὶ τὰ τῶν ἀνθρώπων ἀφαιρούμενον καὶ διαρπάζοντα, μάλιστα τῶν ἀσθενῶν καὶ παροίκων καὶ ξένων ἐπιτηροῦντα, καὶ παρ' οἷς ἀφορμὴν εὕροι· πρὸ ἡμερῶν γὰρ ξένος τις προσεκλύθη, ὥσπερ καὶ ἐμοί, ἐν αὐλῇ τινος τῶν ἐνταῦθα Χριστιανῶν ἐτελεύτησε, πολλὰς ἐγκαταλελοιπὼς κληρονόμους τῆς ἑαυτοῦ περιουσίας, καὶ τούτων οὐδενὸς παρενθεθέντος, εὑρὼν ὁ τύραννος, ἃ ἐγκατέλιπε χρήματα, οὐκ ἐν ταύτῃ μόνον τῇ κακίᾳ ἠρκέσθη, ἀλλ' ἕως ἦλθε καὶ ἐπὶ τοὺς ἐκείνου οἰκείους, ἀλλ' ἄνευ δέους ἢ συστολῆς καὶ τῶν φιλοχρίστων ἐκείνων χρήματα, περὶ οὓς δῆλον ὁ τελευτήσας ξένος, διήρκετο· πρὸς δὲ τούτοις ἔξω αὐτοὺς ἢ ἐν φυλακῇ; τοῖς ποσὶν αὐτῶν ἐπιβαλὼν πέδας. Ἐγὼ τοίνυν ἐνταῦθα τῶν ἐμῶν συγγενῶν μεμονωμένην ἔχουσα μόνην κληρονόμον, εἴπερ ὁ Θεὸς ἐπινεύσειε τῇ νόσῳ ταύτῃ τὸ πῶς τὴν ἀθλίαν ψυχήν μοι ἀποκαλέσασθαι. Οὐδενὸς δὲ ἕνεκεν ὑμᾶς λυπῶμαι, ἀλλ' ὑπὲρ πάντων τὴν ταπεινὴν κόρην· φοβοῦμαι δὲ, μήπως ἀδίκως ληφθῇ χάριν τῆς ἐμῆς διακονίας μοι, ἢ περὶ τούτων πάλιν τῶν φιλοχρίστων παρὰ τοῦ τυράννου.}} {{left sidenote|'''C'''}} {{graeca| Διὸ δέομαι, τέκνον, παράσχες μοι Ἄραβας ἄνδρας, οὓς βούλει, ἵνα μαρτυρωμένη αὐτοῖς, ὅτι οὐδὲν ἐνταῦθα τὸ παράπαν κέκτημαι, ἢ ὅτι ἡ κόρη αὐτὴ ἐλευθέρα τε καὶ ἀδέσποτος ὑπάρχει, καὶ παραμένουσιν ἡμῖν, ἄχρις οὗ ἂν ἴδῃς τὴν ἔκβασιν τοῦ νοσήματος τούτου, ὃ νῦν με κατέχοντος, καὶ γνωρίσῃς, ὅτι ἀληθῶς ἐμὸς ἀδελφιδοῦς.}}

| 134 Ego statim ut rescii, accepta à Magistro facultate, ad illam me confero.{{right sidenote|''ad quam se confert:''}} Ut me vidit: Crede mihi, ait, fili, nec levi de causâ; neque temere hunc ad me veniendi laborem suscipere te volui; sed Dei, operisque præclari ac salutiferi causâ: ceterum ne te macera, si relicta tantisper Laurâ tuâ, aliquod incommodi senseris; sed utilem negotii finem ante oculos habe. Audio enim dominantem hîc magistratum tyrannicè, perversè, injustèque administrare rem suam, fortunis homines evertere, ac maximè imbecillos, accolas, hospites, tum apud quos occasionem opportunè quamdam invenerit, spoliare facultatibus suis.{{right sidenote|'''E'''}} Nam ante dies aliquot, ut relatum est mihi, peregrinus quidam in atrio alicujus hîc Christiani mortuus est, institutis opum suarum hæredibus multis; eorum autem nemine coram hîc per id tempus comparente, occasione arrepta, tyrannus quidquid reliquerat diripuit, involavit ipse; neque verò hoc flagitio contentus fuit; neque hîc stetit insatiabilis ejus avaritia; sed palam, absque ullo metu aut modo, Christianorum, apud quos defunctus hospes perhumaniter habitus egerat, bona diripuit: atque ipsos insuper ferrea compede adstrictos conjecit in custodiam. Et ego igitur, cognatis hîc meis destituta, hæredem aliquem, siquidem Deo visum fuerit ad sese ex hac infirmitate evocare miseram atque afflictam hanc animam, nuncupabo. Nihil enim ita me cruciat, uti misera hæc puella: quippe quam vereor ne ob exhibitum mihi in comitatu obsequium contra jus fasque comprehendant; deinde etiam Christiani, qui me exceperunt hospitio. Quamobrem dato te precibus meis, fili, &amp; Arabes mihi viros delectos atque authoritate præditos adducito, ut eos testes adhibeam, nihil hîc omnino me possidere, virginemque hanc liberam esse ac nulli domino subjectam;{{right sidenote|'''F'''}} tum apud nos mane; donec morbi hujus, qui me graviter vehementerque exercet, eventum videris; atque ita genuinum te fratris mei filium exhibueris.
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| 135 {{graeca|Ἀκούσας ταῦτα παρὰ τῆς ἐμῆς θείας, συμφέρον εἶναι τὸ παρ' αὐτῇ διατρίβειν· τὰς ἡμέρας ἱκανὰς διατρίψας, τὸ δοκοῦν ἐξελθεῖν ἐπεθύμησα, καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν Λαύραν ὑποστρέψαι· ἀλλ' ἐμαυτὸν κατακρίνας τοῦτο, αὖθις παρέμεινα, καὶ χρονίως αὖθις διατρίψας, πάλιν ἀναχωρῆσαι ἠθέλησα διὰ τοῦ ἐμοῦ συνειδότος σκανδάλου πάλιν, καὶ αὖθις διὰ τοῦτο ἐπὶ τῶν λογισμῶν πιέζοντός τε καὶ πολεμοῦντος ἐμένων. Τελευταίως δὲ ἐβουλευσάμην πρὸς τὸν ἐμὸν Ἐπιστάτην ἀπελθεῖν, καὶ ἐρέσθαι αὐτόν, εἰς τί μέλει λήξειν τὸ πρᾶγμα, εἴτε ἐς ὑγείαν, εἴτε εἰς θάνατον. Ἀλλ' εἴθε μοι τοῦτο ἐξ ἀρχῆς ποιήσασθαι, καὶ μὴ τὸν ἐν μέσῳ κοσμικῶν ἐν ἀμελείᾳ βίον ἐπισύραι ἐπὶ τοσόντον καιρόν.}}
| 135 Postquam ista ex amita intellexeram, consultius esse duxi ab ea non discedere;{{right sidenote|''hic diuturnioris apud caros moræ pertæsus,''}} at exactis istic diebus non paucis pænitere me facti cœpit, jamque è civitate cogitabam abire &amp; reverti in Lauram: sed damnato mox consilio, cohibui memet, &amp; permansi: ac post tempus satis longum, otium iterum subrepsit ac tædium, placebatque proficisci: sed mea me denuo conscientia inhibuit. Idemque mihi, cogitationibus presso impugnatoque, iterum ac tertio accidit. Tandem inquietus animi adire Magistrum statui, atque ex eo quærere, quod res demum esset evasura, ad sanitatem, an ad mortem. Sed utinam istud fecissem ab initio, neque vitam in medio secularium otiosam tam diu segnemque duxissem!&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;!-- --&gt;
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(Ragusii natus die 8 Ianuarii 1589 – ibidem mortuus die 8 Decembris 1638)
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poeta barocensis Croaticus fuit - epicus, lyricus et comoediographus -
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Croatice scripsit.

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Latine: [[w:la:Ioannes Gundulius|Ioannes Gundulius]]

(Ragusii natus die 8 Ianuarii 1589 – ibidem mortuus die 8 Decembris 1638)
[[Fasciculus:De Gondola.jpg|thumb|center|Effigies Ivanis Gundulić]]

poeta barocensis fuit — epicus, lyricus et comoediographus, 
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Opera litteraria tantum Croatice scripsit..

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== Eulogium ad Alexandrum III Papam quod Christus sit aliquis homo ==

In Turonensi concilio quod dudum, convocatis plerisque omnibus tam Anglicanae quam Gallicanae praelatis Ecclesiae, auctoritate vestra celebratum est et praesentia illustratum, dogma quorumdam asserentium quod Christus non est aliquis homo, et quod Christus secundum quod homo non est quid, disputando ventilari coepit. Utra vero pars disputantium in pugna verborum praevaluerit, nescio, sed tam iniquam et fidei Christianae inimicam falsitatem in tali ac tanto Christi auditorio nullis, credo, fuisse veritatis aut victoriae titulis insignitam. Noluit tamen tam dives et copiosa mansuetudinis vestrae clementia assertionem illam statim canonica ferire censura, ne ejus auctores et defensores, qui forte non pertinacia, sed ignorantia deliquerant, vel ipsa condemnatio pravitatis tantum involveret, vel perpetuam eis infamiae notam impingeret. Ex eadem vero mansuetudine vestra multo postmodum temporis sustentationis elapso, etiam quadam epistola decretali, quae super arrogationem pravae illius doctrinae ad venerabilem Guillelmum tunc Senonensem hodie Remensem archiepiscopum legitur directa, nequaquam exprimitur anathemate perculsos vel etiam percellendos esse, qui errorem illum tenere seu docere praesumerent. Quoniam itaque infiniti scholares hoc calice debriati et in furorem versi usque in hodiernum diem patientia vestra contumaciter abutuntur, qui nequaquam misericordiae vestrae piam dispensationem laudant, sed impium dogma velut catholicum praedicant; fiat tandem illud Prosperi quod in decretis legitur: In eis, inquit, qui diu portati et salubriter objurgati corrigi noluerint, tanquam putridae corporis partes debent ferro excommunicationis abscidi, ne sicut caro morbis emortua, sed si abscissa non fuerit, salutem reliquae carnis putredinis suae contagione corrumpit; ita isti qui emendari contemnunt, et in suo morbo persistunt, alios exemplo suae perditionis inficiant. Unde et Calixtus papa: Justum est, ut qui divina contemnunt mandata, et inobedientes paternis existunt jussionibus, saevioribus corrigantur vindictis. Quatenus caeteri committere talia caveant, et omnes gaudeant fraterna concordia, et cuncti sumant severitatis ac bonitatis exemplum. Item Pelagius papa: Apostolicae auctoritatis exemplo dicimus errantium et in errorem mittentium spiritus tradendos esse Satanae, ut dediscant blasphemare. Item Hieronymus: Secandae sunt putridae carnes, et scabiosa a caulis ovis repellenda, ne tota domus massa, corpus et pecora ardeant, corrumpantur, putrescant, intereant.
Confessionis auctoris cum captatione benevola.

Hic est nimirum ecclesiasticae rigor pietatis, quo percutit ut sanet, destruit ut aedificet, evellit ut plantet. Ne deserat, quaeso, pastor agnos, pater filios; et si contradicentium error corrigi non potest, vel sanae fidei professionem in me et similibus indefessam perire non sinat. Quod, si ego cum sim cinis et pulvis recte sentio, auctoritas vestra roboret infirmitatem meam, sicubi erro, ad se revocet simplitatem meam. Credo enim Christum esse aliquem hominem, et ipsum esse aliquid secundum humanitatem, et quod secundum divinitatem incorporea substantia est, secundum humanitatem corpoream esse substantiam; et secundum alteram naturam rem simplicem, secundum alteram vero rem compositam. Credo etiam quod ipse idem qui secundum deitatem increatus et infectus est, secundum humanitatem et creatus est, et factus est; et qui secundum alteram naturam creator est, secundum alteram creatura est. Haec autem evidentissimis sanctorum testimoniis munita esse sequentia declarabunt. Sed ante haec omnia, quatenus singula repertu faciliora sint, praenotanda sunt ex more capitula. Mox etiam ut quae dicturi sumus lucidiora fiant, et firmius consistant, tres illas sententias, quas magister Petrus Lombardus scriptas reliquit, breviter proponendas arbitramur. Sic enim fiet ut quia omnia contraria juxta se posita magis apparent, ex collatione secundae et tertiae, veritas primae fortius vigeat et amplius enitescat.

===CAPITULA TOTIUS LIBELLI.&lt;br&gt;===
CAP. I. Tres sententiae de homine assumpto cum explanationibus suis.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. II. Auctoritates sanctorum, quibus secunda et tertia roborari videntur.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. III. Auctoritates magistrorum pro illis duabus sententiis.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. IV. Auctoritates magistrorum contra illas duas sententias.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. V. Auctoritates sanctorum, quibus probatur quod Christus est aliquis homo.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. VI. Rationes quibus idem probatur.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. VII. Auctoritates quibus probatur quod Christus secundum quod homo est aliquid.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. VIII. Rationes quibus probatur quod Christus essentialiter et substantialiter est homo.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. IX. Quae contra objici possunt dissolvuntur, Joannis Damasceni involucrum enodatur.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. X. Auctoritates quibus probatur quod Christus est aliud et aliud.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. XI. Auctoritates quae videntur esse contrariae.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. XII. Auctoritates quibus probatur quod Christus est animal et corpus.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. XIII. Auctoritates quod Christus est aliquid totum sive compositum.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. XIV. Rationes quibus id probatur.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. XV. Auctoritates quod Christus dicitur totum.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. XVI. Auctoritates quibus probatur quod Christus est factus et creatus et creatura.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. XVII. Auctoritates quae videntur esse contrariae et solutiones non inutiles, ubi inter alia quaeritur de illo toto utrum fuerit in triduo sepulturae, vel non fuerit.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. XVIII. Auctoritates quibus probatur quod Christus non semper fuit.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. XIX. Auctoritates quae videntur contrariae et competentes contrarietatis solutiones et repetitio praecedentium ad multa utilis. &lt;br&gt;
CAP. XX. Conclusio ex praemissis, inferens quae in exordio proposita sunt.&lt;br&gt;

===CAP. I.&lt;br&gt;===
Tres sententiae de homine assumpto cum explanationibus horum verborum: Deus est homo, et homo est Deus, Deus factus est homo, et homo factus est Deus.

====Prima explanatio.====

Prima est illorum qui dicunt in ipsa Verbi incarnatione hominem quemdam ex anima rationali et humana carne constitutum, ex quibus duobus omnis verus homo constituitur; et ille homo coepit esse Deus, non quidem natura Dei, sed persona Verbi, et Deus coepit esse homo ille. Concedunt etiam hominem illum assumptum esse a Verbo et tantum esse Verbum. Et ea ratione tradunt dictum esse, Deum factum esse hominem vel esse hominem, quia Deus factus est vel coepit esse Deus, non tamen ex migratione naturae in naturam, sed utriusque naturae servata proprietate factum est, ut Deus esset illa substantia, et illa substantia esset Deus, unde vere dicitur: Deus factus est homo, et homo factus est Deus, et Filius Dei Filius hominis, et e converso.

====Secunda explanatio.====

Secunda vero illorum est, qui dicunt hominem illum non ex anima rationali et carne tantum, sed ex humana et divina natura, vel ex tribus substantiis, divinitate, carne et anima constare. Hinc Christum fatentur et unam tantummodo personam ante incarnationem, verum non solummodo simplicem, sed per incarnationem factam compositam ex divinitate et humanitate; nec est ideo alia persona quam prius, sed cum prius esset Dei tantum persona, in incarnatione facta est hominis persona, ut non duae essent personae, sed in una persona esset Dei et hominis. Persona ergo quae prius erat simplex et in una tantum natura existens, in duabus et ex duabus subsistit naturis, quia coepit esse quaedam substantia ex anima rationali et humana carne subsistens, et illa substantia facta est persona quae tantum Deus erat. Facta est et verus homo subsistens non tantum ex anima et corpore, sed ex divinitate etiam. Nec tamen persona illa debet dici facta persona hominis, sicut Verbum factum est, id est coepit esse Verbum humanum, non tamen factum est, vel coepit esse Verbum. Facta est igitur illa persona, ut quibusdam illorum placet, aliquis subsistens ex anima et carne; sed non est facta persona vel substantia, vel natura. Secundum istos cum dicitur Deus factus est homo, intelligitur coepisse esse subsistens ex duabus naturis et tribus substantiis; et e converso homo factus est Deus, quia subsistens in duabus naturis coepit esse Deus, vel post homo factus est Deus, et e converso dicitur; quia Deus assumpsit hominem, et homo assumptus est a Deo: unde Augustinus in libro De Trinitate: Talis fuit illa assumptio, quae hominem facit Deum, et Deum hominem.

====Tertia sententia.====

Tertia vero illorum est sententia, qui in incarnatione Verbi non solum personam ex naturis compositam negant, verum etiam hominem aliquem vel aliquam substantiam ibi ex anima et carne compositam vel factam diffidunt; sed sic illa duo, scilicet animam et carnem Verbi personae et naturae unitam esse aiunt, ut non ex illis duobus vel his tribus aliqua substantia vel persona fieret sive componeretur, sed illis duobus velut indumento illud Verbum Dei vestiretur, ut mortalium oculis congruenter appareret: Qui ideo dicitur factus verus homo, quia veritatem carnis et animae accepit: quae duo etiam in singularitatem vel unitatem suae personae accepisse legitur, non quia illa duo vel aliqua res existens vel composita sit una persona cum Verbo, et sit Verbum, sed quia illis duobus accedentibus Verbo, non est personarum numerus auctus, ut fieret quaternitas in Trinitate, et quia ipsa persona Verbi quae erat prius sine indumento, assumptione indumenti non est divisa vel mutata, sed una et eadem immutata permansit; qui secundum habitum Deum hominem factum dicunt, accipiendo enim hominem, dicitur Deus esse verus homo, et propter assumentem hominem dicitur homo esse Deus. Nam si essentialiter, inquiunt illi, Deus esset homo, vel homo esse Deus intelligeretur; tunc si Deus hominem assumpsisset in sexu muliebri, etiam mulier essentialiter esset Deus, et e converso. At potuit Deus assumpsisse hominem in sexu muliebri, potuit igitur Deus esse mulier et e converso. In hac igitur sententia sic dicitur factus homo, quia accepit hominem; et sic dicitur esse homo, quia hominem habet, vel quia est hominem habens; et homo factus est Deus, quia assumptus est a Deo; et homo est Deus, quia habens hominem est Deus. Cum ergo dicitur Deus est homo, vel habitus praedicatur, vel persona; sed quod humanata et quod persona humanata praedicetur, Cassiodorus ostendere videtur dicens: « Factus est, ut ita dixerim, humanatus Deus, qui etiam in assumptione carnis Deus esse non desistit. »

====Solutio.====

Illa autem istorum ratiocinatio: Nam si essentialiter Deus esse homo vel homo esse Deus intelligeretur, etc., quid habeat falsitatis, quid etiam impietatis sequentia propalabunt. Falsitatem dixi, quia ex veris falsum concludit: impietatem addidi, quia piae fidei obstrepit, dum Christum cui solam hominis vestem donat, vera hominis essentia spoliare laborat. Nota etiam quod haec tertia sententia commune habet cum secunda, quia Christus non est aliqua substantia constans ex carne et anima, et quod Christus, secundum quod homo, non est aliquid. Hoc habet diversum, quod persona Christi non est ex duabus naturis sive tribus substantiis composita; unde primo inducendae sunt auctoritates utrique sententiae communes, ut solutionibus sive rationibus eisdem competenter subsecutis, eadem falsitas utriusque reveletur. De illo vero de quo dissentiunt cum ad illam quaestionem ventum fuerit utrum Christus sit aliquod totum sive compositum suo loco disputabitur.

===CAP. II.&lt;br&gt;===
Auctoritates sanctorum quibus secunda et tertia sententia in eo quod conveniunt roborari videntur.

Augustinus tractans illud verbum Apostoli: Habitu inventus ut homo, in libro LXXXIV Quaestionum, habitus in ea re dicitur, quae nobis ut habeatur accidit. « Verumtamen hoc interest, quia quaedam eorum quae accedunt ut habitum faciant, non mutantur, sed immutant ipsa inter se integra et inconcussa manentia, sicut sapientia accedens homini non ipsa mutatur, sed hominem mutat, quoniam de stulto sapientem facit. Quaedam vero sic accedunt, ut mutent et mutentur, ut cibus qui amittens speciem suam in corpus vertitur, et nos cibo refecti atque ab exilitate atque languore in robur atque valentiam mutamur. Tertium genus est, cum ea quae accedunt nec mutant ea quibus accedunt, nec ab eis ipsa mutantur; sic annulus positus in digito, quod genus rarissime invenitur. Quartum genus est cum ea quae accedunt, non mutantur a sua natura, sed aliam speciem et formam accipiunt, ut est vestis quae dejecta atque deposita, non habet eam formam quam habet vel sumit induta. Induta enim membris accipit formam, quam non habebat exuta: quod genus congruit huic comparationi. Dei enim Filius exinanivit seipsum formam servi accipiens, non suam formam mutans, sed nec conversus aut transmutatus in hominem, amissa stabilitate; sed in similitudinem hominum factus, est ille susceptor, verum hominem suscipiendo, vel habitu inventus est ut homo, id est habendo hominem inventus est ut homo, non sibi, sed eis quibus in homine apparuit. Quod autem dicit ut homo, veritatem exprimit. Nomine ergo habitus satis significavit Apostolus qualiter dixit, in similitudinem hominum factus; quia non transfiguratione in hominem, sed habitu factus est, cum indutus est hominem, quem sibi uniens quodammodo atque conformans immortalitati aeternitatique sociaret. Non ergo oportet intelligi mutatum esse Verbum susceptione hominis, sicut nec membra veste induta mutantur; quamvis illa susceptio ineffabiliter susceptum suscipienti copularet. »

His verbis innuere videtur Augustinus Deum dici factum hominem secundum habitum; qui etiam ipsius incarnationis volens modum exprimere quaerentibus in quarto libro De Trinitate ait: « Si quaeritur ipsa incarnatio quomodo facta sit, ipsum Verbum Dei dico carnem factum, id est hominem factum, non tamen in hoc quod factum est conversum atque mutatum, sed carne, ut carnalibus congruenter appareret indutum. Ita sane factum, ut ibi sit non tantum Verbum Dei et hominis caro, sed et rationalis hominis anima, atque hoc totum et Deus dicatur propter Deum, et homo propter hominem; quod si difficile intelligitur, mens fide purgetur a peccatis abstinendo et bona operando. Difficilia enim sunt haec. Idem de fide ad Petrum: « Dei Filius cum sit Deus aeternus et verus, pro nobis factus est homo verus et plenus. In eo verus, quia veram habet Deus ille humanam naturam. In eo vero plenus est, quia carnem humanam suscepit, et animam rationalem. » Item: « Non fuit aliud illa Dei summi exinanitio, nisi formae servilis, id est naturae humanae susceptio. Utraque ergo in Christo est forma, quia utraque natura et plena est in Christo substantia, divina scilicet et humana. » Item in libro contra Maximinum: « Cum esset per seipsum invisibilis, visibilis in homine apparuit quem de femina suscepit, de qua natus est. » Item in eodem: « Nos Christum Deum verum hominem suscepisse credimus, et in ipso visibiliter invisibilem hominibus apparuisse, in ipso inter homines conversatum fuisse, in ipso ab hominibus humana pertulisse, in ipso homines docuisse. » Hilarius quoque in libro De Trinitate ait: « Quomodo Dei Filius natus ex Maria est, nisi quod Verbum caro est, scilicet quod Filius Dei, cum in forma Dei esset, formam servi accepit, unum tamen eumdem, non Dei defectione, sed hominis assumptione, profitemur et in forma Dei per naturam divinam, et in forma servi ex conceptione Spiritus sancti, secundum hominis habitum repertum fuisse. Non fuit habitus ille tamen hominis, sed ut hominis, neque caro illa caro peccati, sed in similitudine carnis peccati. »

====De similitudine Christi cum verme.====

Hoc autem quod hic dicitur: Non hominis, ita accipiendum est non peccatoris, sicut ibi: Ego sum vermis et non homo. Vermis, quia sine virili semine natus de Virgine; et non homo, id est non peccator; unde etiam explanando dicitur neque caro illa caro peccati, sed in similitudinem carnis peccati. Addant, si placet: In Idumaeam extendam calceamentum meum. Item: « venit ad nos calceata divinitas. » Item: Induebar cilicio.

Hae et omnes auctoritates hujusmodi, ut asserunt, haec docent, quod Christus non sit aliquid secundum quod homo, et quod assumens non sit aliquid quod assumptum est. Miror ante quod inter alia sanctorum testimonia quae pro illis praemissa sunt, penitus vel unum illud Augustini documentum totam falsitatem hanc penitus subvertere non intelligunt: « Non ergo oportet intelligi mutatum esse Verbum susceptione hominis, sicut nec membra induta veste mutantur, quamvis illa susceptio ineffabiliter susceptum suscipienti copularet. »

====De similitudine vestis.====

Si, quod de similitudine vestis dicitur, advertunt, cur ab eo quod de personali unione subditur faciem mentis avertunt? Quae est enim ista ineffabilis copulatio, nisi Dei assumentis et hominis assumpti personalis unio? quae unio nihil est, si homo non est una persona cum Deo. Quod si homo factus est una persona cum Deo, quid factum est una persona cum Deo? Illud etiam Augustini, « Difficilia sunt haec, » parum attendunt. Quae est enim haec difficultas intelligentiae, si nihil est aliud Deum esse hominem, quam habere humanae formae ac similitudinis vestem? Et si hoc est Deum factum esse hominem, id est accepisse tantummodo hujusmodi indumentum, quid hic mirum, quid ineffabile dicendum? Nonne quaelibet persona, sive hominis sive angeli, quae suscepit indumentum, manet eadem persona quae prius erat. Hoc potius novum et mirum esset, si acceptio vel mutatio vestis personam mutaret. Quod, si diligentius quae scripta sunt de habitu hominis et hujusmodi aliis inspicere velint, facile intelligent, nec per verba sanctorum, nec per explanationem verborum doceri, quod Christus secundum quod homo non sit aliquid, sed hoc potius quod divinitas in carne accepit. Est itaque Deus homo non modo vestimentaliter, sed essentialiter, quod in sequentibus suo loco demonstrabitur. Illud vero quod, velut firmissimo argumento probatum, putant, quod Deus non sit essentialiter homo potuit Deus assumpsisse hominem in sexu muliebri, potuit igitur mulier esse Deus et e converso; manifeste falsum est. Non enim si Deus potest aliquid facere, illud potest esse. Deus enim multa potest facere quae fieri non possunt, quia impossibilia sunt. Respondeant et ipsi an potuerit Deus humanam naturam in sexu muliebri assumpsisse, quod negare non possunt, ergo ex eis concluditur quod potuit Deus esse mulier. Hi tamen secundum subtile illud judicium suum negare non debent, Deus potuit esse mulier; sed istud: Deus potuit esse aliqua mulier, sicut potuit esse homo, sed non potuit esse aliquis homo, magnorum etiam magistrorum nos mole premunt, quos laudare solent auctores.

===CAP. III.&lt;br&gt;===
Auctoritates magistrorum qui pro illis facere videntur.

Magister Gilbertus Porretanus, ut multi perbibent, ea docuit quae in secunda sententia praemissa sunt, scilicet quod Christus et sit et factus est persona composita ex duabus naturis, sive tribus substantiis; et tamen non est factus aliqua persona, non factus aliqua substantia, non aliquid secundum quod homo. Sed quia super iis aliquod ejus scriptum non legi, et auditores sui etiam a se invicem dissentiunt, ad alios transeo, quorum scriptis falsitas eadem quam et ipse docuisse creditur, quod scilicet Christus secundum quod homo non sit aliquid, firmata et munita videtur.

Magister Petrus Abaelardus in Theologia sua sic disserit: « Quid est dicere Deum fieri hominem, nisi divinam substantiam quae spiritualis est, humanam quae corporea est, sibi unire in personam unam. Non enim quod spirituale est corporeum fieri potest, sed in illa unione personae Christi in qua simul divinitas Verbi et caro et anima conveniunt, unaquaeque istarum substantiarum propriam retinet naturam, ut nulla illarum in aliam commutetur, ut nec caro, nec anima divinitas fiat, sicut nec caro unquam anima esse potest, quamvis in singulis hominibus una persona sit anima et caro. » Et post pauca: « Mutatio, inquit, in aliud esse non potest, nisi esse desinat quod prius erat. Spiritualis autem essentia nunc quoque sicut prius spiritualis permanet, nec corporea facta est. Cum igitur spiritus sit Deus, nec unquam quod spiritus est corporeum fiat, aut partes recipiat, quomodo proprie vel Verbum dicitur fieri caro, vel Deus homo? cum Verbum ipsum etiam nunc sit spiritus, quia est Deus, sicut et ante incarnationem fuerat. Homo quippe corporea res est, et membris composita ac dissolubilis; Deus vero incorporea res est, nec partibus constat ut solvi possit. Deus igitur nec caro nec homo proprie dicendus est; alioquin et homo e converso Deus proprie dicendus esset unum aliquod creatum, vel quod non semper fuit concedi oporteret Deum esse, cum videlicet constet hominem creaturam esse atque initium habere. Absit autem ut aliquam rem Deum esse ponamus, quae non semper exstitit, aut non semper Deus fuerit! Hoc quippe est novum Deum recentemque confiteri. Sic igitur accipiendum est cum dicitur caro fieri vel esse homo, ut divina substantia humanaque in unam personam sociari intelligat. Alia quippe est substantia quae assumpta est, licet non sit alia persona. Sicut enim in uno Deo tres sunt personae una substantia; ita e contrario in homine Christo duae substantiae sunt, sed in duabus substantiis vel naturis una persona. Non est autem Deus in aliud mutatus quam fuit, licet et aliud sibi in personalem unionem conjunxerit. Nam nec animae nostrae cum resumptis corporibus eis in unam personam sociabuntur, ideo aliud quam erant efficientur; quamvis corpus animando immutent, et de inanimato ad animationem promoveant, ut ex hoc potius corpus per animam, quam ipsam per corpus mutari dicendum sit. Corpus enim ex anima, non ipsa ex corpore in quemdam proficit statum, cum ipsa per se persistat immobilis. Multo minus igitur Deus homini unitus ob hoc aliud fieri dicendus est, cui nihil conferre creatura potest; unde ab omni mutabilitate Deum penitus immunem profitemur. »

====Quomodo sane haec possunt intelligi.====

Si quis autem disputationem istam diligentius inspiciat, reperiet illud primo loco improbari divinam substantiam factam esse humanam. Similiter de divina substantia dicit quod non possit fieri res composita, vel res corporea, vel aliqua creatura. Illud etiam quod ait: « Absit quod aliquam rem Deum esse ponamus, quae non semper exstiterit, si Dei nomine non divina persona sed substantia intelligatur! » sicut ipse ab initio quaestionis interpretatus fuit, nihil habet erroneum. Quod autem ante solutionem more disputantium vera et falsa permiscet, hoc lectorem perturbare non debet; quae enim in ipsa solutione dicuntur, quae ibi incipit: « Sic igitur accipiendum est, » catholica sunt nobis, cum non contra nos faciunt usque ad illud: « Multo minus igitur Deus homini unitus ob hoc aliud fieri dicendus est. » Sed et illud etiam quod nobis adversari videtur, si de essentia intelligatur, nec ipsum est ideo nobis contrarium, vel forte aliud fieri intelligit ac si diceretur mutari; unde statim subdit: « Ab omni mutabilitate Deum penitus immunem esse profitemur. » Verum catholicum quemlibet movere potest quod ait: « Cum ergo semper sit Deus, nec unquam quod spiritus est corporeum fiat, aut partes recipiat, quomodo proprie vel Verbum dicitur caro fieri, vel Deus homo, cum Verbum etiam ipsum nunc sit spiritus, etc. » Videtur enim hoc sentire velle, quod Filius Dei non dicitur proprie, seu essentialiter homo, sed solo habitu; nisi quis dicat, quod non dicitur proprie Deus homo vel Verbum homo; quia plura nomina quibus de eo loquimur a creaturis ad Creatorem transumpta sunt. Sed non hic quaerebatur quid de eo proprie dicatur, vel non; sed quid hoc sit Deum fieri hominem. Hac etiam transumptionis ratione perspecta posset similiter dicere, quod nec Verbum proprie dicitur Verbum, nec Deus proprie dicitur Deus. Ecce si sana est magistri Petri Abaelardi doctrina, pravae assertioni patrocinari non praevalet; si prava est, catholicae professioni praejudicare non debet. Quod vero a magistro Petro Abaelardo hanc opinionem suam magister Petrus Lombardus accepit, eo magis suspicatus sum, quia librum illum frequenter prae manibus habebat, et forte minus diligenter singula perscrutans, ut, qui ex usu magis quam ex arte disputandi peritiam haberet, falli poterat. Opinionem suam dixi. Quod enim fuerit haec ejus opinio certum est. Quod vero non fuerit ejus assertio haec, ipse testatur in capitulo suo.

====Unde praesumitur quod fuit assertio magistri Petri.====

Satis diligenter, juxta diversorum sententias, suprapositam, absque assertione et praejudicio, tractavimus quaestionem. Verumtamen nolumus in re tanta, tanquam ad cognoscendum difficili, putare lectorem istam sibi nostram sufficere debere disputationem; sed legat et alia melius forte considerata atque tractata, et ea quae hic movere possunt, vigilantiore si potest mente discutiat; hoc firmiter tenens quod Deus hominem assumpsit, homo in Deum transivit, non naturae versibilitate, sed Dei dignatione, ut nec Deus mutaretur in humanam substantiam assumendo hominem, nec homo in divinam glorificatus in Deum; quae mutatio vel versibilitas naturae diminutionem et abolitionem substantiae facit.

====Alia de eodem praesumptio.====

Praeterea, paulo antequam electus esset in episcopum Parisiensem, mihi et omnibus auditoribus suis, qui tunc aderant, protestatus est, quod haec non esset assertio sua, sed opinio sola quam a magistro acceperat. Haec etiam verba subjecit: « Nec unquam Deo volente, erit assertio mea, nisi quae fuerit fides catholica. » Postea vero per quosdam homines loquaces magis, quam perspicaces, quae nec in cubiculis essent audienda, usque hodie praedicantur super tecta. Nunc igitur quia adversarii nostri de magistris gloriantur, et nos aliqua pro nobis magistrorum ducamus testimonia, ut fortissimis sanctorum cuneis etiam doctorum hujus temporis levior armatura praeludatur.

===CAP. IV.&lt;br&gt;===
Auctoritates magistrorum contra illam sententiam.

Magister Anselmus Cantuariensis in epistola ad Urbanum papam: « Suscepit Deus hominem in unitate personae, ut sint duae naturae, divina scilicet et humana, una persona. Dicunt quidam, quomodo dicimus in Christo non esse duas personas sicut duas naturas? Nam Deus et ante assumptionem hominis persona erat, nec postquam hominem assumpsit persona destitit esse; et homo assumptus persona est, quia omnis homo individuus persona esse cognoscitur. Quare est alia persona Dei quae fuit ante incarnationem, alia hominis assumpti? Sicut igitur Christus est Deus et homo: ita duae in illo videntur esse personae. Sed non ita est. Sicut enim in Deo una natura est, plures personae, et plures personae sunt una natura; ita in Christo una persona est plures naturae, et plures naturae sunt una persona. Non enim est alius Deus, alius homo in Christo; quamvis aliud sit homo, aliud Deus. Sed idem ipse est Deus qui et homo. » Et post pauca: « In assumpto vero homine, vel in nomine Jesu, intelligitur cum natura, id est cum homine, collectio proprietatum quae est eadem assumpto homini et Verbo; unde eadem sunt persona. » Ecce quod Christus est duae naturae sive substantiae, et quod aliud et aliud sunt, non alius et alius.

Bernardus abbas Claraevallensis in libro De consideratione: « Decuit quippe familiarius similiusque cum hominis convenire constitutione, quod pro homine constitutum est sacramentum. Decuit et cum summa quae in Deo est et Deus est unitate congruere, ut quomodo ibi tres personae essentia una, ita hic convenientissima quadam contrarietate tres essentiae sunt una persona.

====De tribus essentiis in Divinitate.====

Tres essentias dicit: Verbum, animam et carnem; et utique sicut intelligit divinitatem, ita in carne et in anima totum hominem intelligi voluit, Augustinum sequens, qui saepe pro toto homine carnem et animam ponere consuevit; magister Hugo de S. Victore: « Verbum persona aeterna fuit, neque tunc persona esse coepit, quando animam et carnem in personam accepit; accepit animam et carnem, ut in se persona essent, non ut se personam faceret. Quia ergo caro et anima in eo persona esse acceperunt, quando Verbi personae uniri coeperunt, semper quidem cum Verbo una et eadem persona permanserunt, quia nunquam postea a Verbo vel inter se divisa recesserunt. »

====Quod per animam et carnem totum intelligit hominem.====

Hic nimirum per animam et carnem totum hominem intelligit, qui coepit esse illa persona, unde et post pauca subditur: « Praeterea partes hominis duae sunt, quia in natura hominis duo sunt, scilicet anima et caro. Ubi haec duo sunt, totus homo est; ubi alterum horum, pars hominis est. Propter hoc igitur Verbum totum hominem assumpsit, quia totum quod hominis erat assumpsit, animam et carnem. Si partes hominis Christi sint anima et caro, quomodo non est aliquod totum? et, si partes habet secundum humanitatem, qua ratione negari potest eum esse aliquid secundum humanitatem? Hae etiam partes anima et caro non possunt esse partes nisi alicujus substantiae, quare secundum humanitatem Christi est aliqua substantia. »

Magister Achardus in libro suo De Trinitate. « In Christo duae naturae sunt quarum utraque persona dici potest per se; non tamen duae sunt personae, sed una in naturis duabus; in Deo assumente hominem, id est in Verbo ex ipsius natura: in homine assumpto et assumentis beneficio Verbi et gratia. »

Item: « Quamvis in Verbo assumente et homine assumpto alterum sit ex altero, homo scilicet a Verbo, non tamen duas ibi esse personas, vel unam a seipsa consequens est; eo quod homo alterius naturae est a Verbo, secundum quam potest esse ab eo. Et ideo, propter pluralitatem naturarum jam non ibi exigitur pluralitas personarum. Si enim alterum non sit ab altero secundum personam alteram. Si vero ibi altera non esset natura, necessario, cum personalitatem ibi esse constet, et utramque personam dici per se, persona ibi esset altera, aut neutrum esset ab altero, aut persona una prius a se ipsa. »

====Quid super his senserint magister Robertus Melidensis, et magister Mauricius.====

Duos etiam venerabiles magistros, quos in theologia nihil haereticum docuisse certissimum est, Robertum scilicet Melidensem, et Mauricium hodie Parisiensem episcopum silentio praeterire non debeo. Eorum itaque super his disputationibus vel quaestionibus scripta non legi; sed multis eorum lectionibus et disputationibus interfui, in quibus et de homine assumpto et de aliis quibusdam magistri Petri Lombardi doctrinam falsitatis arguebant, ne dicam erroris. Mihi tamen non facile, nec cito potuerunt avellere quod diu tenueram, sed ex tunc meum coepit fluctuare judicium, usquequo per doctorum aliorum etiamque sanctorum testimonia veritas ipsa de qua quaerebatur, velut per speculum et per aenigma, sese tandem intimaverit.
Assertio magistri Achardi.

Haec disputatio magistri Achardi in principio sui asserit duas esse naturas in Christo, quarum utraque est persona et utique non alia quam Christus. Caetera vel modicam explanationem efflagitant, ut haec: « Quarum utraque persona dici potest per se hoc modo, scilicet Verbum assumens est persona, homo assumptus est persona, unde videtur pluralitas esse personarum. In alio enim quolibet homine hae duae naturae, anima et caro, simul dicuntur unus homo, sive una persona, sed neutra per se est homo vel persona, unde propter hujusmodi pluralitatem naturarum in quolibet homine nulla exigitur pluralitas personarum. In Christo vero secus est, quia sunt duae naturae quarum utraque est persona, unde videri posset quod sicut sunt duae naturae, ita etiam duae essent in eo personae, quod sic infringitur, nec tamen duae sunt personae, » etc. Quod vero sequitur: « In Verbo ex ipsius natura, » etc., illi auctoritati innititur: Quod habet Filius Dei per naturam, hoc habet Filius hominis, per gratiam. Item: « Quamvis in Verbo assumente, etc. » Hic geminam expugnat falsitatem. Quia ergo Verbum assumens est persona, et homo assumptus est persona, et haec est a Verbo videtur, quod altera persona esset ab altera, vel eadem a se ipsa. Sicut in Trinitate Pater est persona, Filius est persona, et Filius est a Patre, unde cum sint duae personae, altera est ab altera, et si una essent persona, eadem esset a se ipsa. Sed non est similis utrobique necessitas. In Christo enim sunt duae naturae, quarum altera est ab altera. In Patre et Filio eadem natura, sed personalitates una et altera. Et hoc est: « Quamvis in Verbo assumente, » etc. Quod ergo haec ejus disputatio ita intelligenda sit, ibi subtiliter et breviter innuit: « Si vero ibi altera non esset in natura, » etc., quia enim utraque per se dicitur persona, si non esset ibi natura altera, aut nec homo esset a Verbo, nec Verbum ab homine, aut persona ibi esset altera ab altera, aut eadem a seipsa.

====Epilogus praedictorum.====

Hic breviter discursis, quatenus dicendorum notitia plenior haberetur, restat ea quae in exordio demonstranda proposuimus, firmissimis sanctorum testimoniis et rationibus fidei consentaneis roborare, ut quasi post quaedam praeludia, jam nunc ad seria veniatur.

===CAP. V.&lt;br&gt;===
Quod Christus est aliquis homo auctoritates.

In Psalmis omnia haec leguntur de Christo: Beatus quem elegisti et assumpsisti. Item: Quid est homo quod memor es ejus, aut Filius hominis? Item: Dies super dies regis adjicies annos ejus. Item: Fiat manus tua super virum dexterae tuae, et super Filium hominis quem confirmasti tibi. Item: Iste pauper clamavit, et Dominus exaudivit eum. Item: Ego sum mendicus et pauper. Item: Tu es Sacerdos in aeternum. Item: Quis est homo qui vivet et non videbit mortem, eruet animam suam de manu inferi?

====Epilogatio proximorum.====

Si Christus non est aliquis homo, quis est iste beatus homo? quis est iste filius hominis? quis est iste beatus rex? quis est iste vir dexterae? quis est iste pauper? quis est iste sacerdos? quis est homo qui eruet animam suam de manu inferi? Utique nullus. Quod, si Christus est homo de quo ista dicuntur, Christus est aliquis homo. Item super Psalmum legitur istud Cassiodori: « Haec omnia non omni beato viro conveniunt, sed soli Christo. » Potius dicendum erat, nulli beato viro conveniunt, nulli enim alii viro conveniunt. Et Christus cui soli conveniunt non est aliquis vir? Item ibi legitur: « Haec est plena diffinitio beati viri, sed quomodo est diffinitio beati viri, quae nullo beato viro convenit? » Nec Christus enim, nec aliquis alius est beatus vir cui conveniat ipsa. Item Apostolus: Si enim unius delicto multi mortui sunt, multo magis gratia et donum in gratia unius hominis Jesu Christi in plures abundavit.

Item Augustinus in libro De Trinitate: « Sicut per unum hominem peccatum, etc. Apostolus de duobus hominibus prolixius disputat, uno eodemque primo Adam per cujus peccatum et mortem ejus posteri obligati sumus, alteri vero secundo Adam, qui non homo tantum, sed et Deus est. » Item Augustinus super Joannem: « Cecidit primus homo, et omnes qui ab eo nati sunt de illo traxerunt concupiscentiam carnis. Oportebat ut nasceretur alius homo, qui nullam traxit concupiscentiam, homo et homo, homo ad mortem, et homo ad vitam, sicut dicit Apostolus: Quoniam quidem per hominem mors et per hominem resurrectio. Per quem hominem mors, per quem resurrectio? Sicut enim in Adam moriuntur, ita et in Christo omnes justificabuntur. » Item Augustinus in libro De praedestinatione sanctorum: « Praeclarissimum lumen praedestinationis et gratiae ipse est mediator Dei et hominum homo Christus Jesus. Ille homo ut a Verbo Patri coaeterno in unitatem personae assumptus Filius Dei unicus esset, unde hoc meruit? quod ejus bonum qualecunque praecessit, ut ad hanc ineffabilem excellentiam perveniret, et faciente aut suscipiente Deo Verbo, ipse homo ex quo esse coepit, Filius Dei unicus esse coeperit? » Item: « Ita ab initio fidei suae homo quicunque gratia fit Christianus, sicut gratia homo ille ab initio factus est Christus. » Item Augustinus De bono perseverantiae: « Qui fecit illum hominem sine ullis praecedentibus ejus meritis, nullum quod ei dimitteretur vel originem trahere vel voluntate perpetrare peccatum; ipse nullis eorum meritis praecedentibus facit credentes in eum, quibus dimittat omnem peccatum. » Item: « Et illum ergo et quos praedestinavit, quia et in illo ut esset caput nostrum, et in nobis ut ejus corpus essemus, non praecessura merita nostra, sed opera sua futura praescivit. » Item Augustinus De littera et spiritu: « Deus humilis descendit per misericordiam, et gratiam claram et manifestam, commendans in ipso homine quem tanta prae participibus suis charitate suscepit. Neque enim ipse Verbo Dei conjunctus, ut ipsa conjunctione unus Filius Dei et idem ipse unus filius hominis fieret, praecedentibus suae voluntatis meritis, fecit. » Item: Mons in quo beneplacitum est Deo, etc. Augustinus: « Verbum habitavit eum, scilicet hominem Christum usque in finem, quia personaliter unitus est ei in quo habitat omnis plenitudo divinitatis corporaliter. Sic erat itaque Verbum in carne, ut Verbum etiam caro factum solum diceretur, id est homo Verbo in unam Christi personam copularetur. » Item Augustinus super Joannem: « Primitiae homo et homo, homo ad vitam et homo ad mortem. Homo ille non Deus, iste Deus et homo. » Item: Matri Sion dicit homo. Augustinus: « Ecce est quidam homo, id est Christus, qui dicit: Sion, id est Synagoga, est mater mea secundum carnem. Et quis est homo ille? homo qui in ea natus est, » etc. Item Augustinus in homilia de Symbolo: « Haec fuit natura hominis qui factus est ex Virgine, quae natura Virginis ex qua Christus formatus et natus est ejusdem est naturae cum Patre secundum divinitatem. »

Item Haimo: Quia praedestinatus, etc. « Non de Verbo loquitur hic Apostolus, sed de homine, qui non erat antequam factus esset. » Item Joannes Chrysostomus: « Et adorent eum hominem qui passus est et mortuus. Non de Deo verba ista dicuntur, sed de homine suscepto: adorent, inquam, omnes angeli Dei. »

Item in Evangelio Caiphas per Spiritum sanctum ait: Expedit ut unus homo moriatur pro populo, et non tota gens pereat. Item ministri Pharisaeis responderunt: Nunquam locutus est homo sicut hic homo. Centurio etiam clamat: Vere hic homo Filius Dei erat.

Si Christus secundum Apostolum est unus homo; si, secundum Augustinum, est alter duorum hominum, de quibus disputat Apostolus; si est homo alius a primo Adam; si est quidam homo qui dicit, Sion est mater mea; si, ut legitur in Evangelio, est unus homo qui moriturus erat pro populo, patet quia Christus est aliquis homo. Item omnes illae auctoritates quibus de Christo legitur hic homo, iste homo, ille homo, vel aliquid hujusmodi, si Christus nec fuit, nec est, nec erat aliquis homo, incongruae sunt, et propter incompetentem demonstrationem sive relationem, aut nullum, aut cassum faciunt intellectum, nisi forte dicant eo tropo dici de Christo, hic et ille homo, quo de idolo dicitur, hic et ille Deus; sed ibi non attenditur naturae participatio, sed nuncupatio sola. Sicut ergo idolum solo nomine est Deus, ita et Christus solo nomine est homo. Absit! Ecce his et aliis infinitis auctoritatibus edocemur, quod Christus est aliquis homo. Idem firmis probari potest rationibus.

===CAP. VI.&lt;br&gt;===
Rationes quibus probatur quod Christus est aliquis homo.

Hominum enim alius est Christus, alius non est Christus, ergo et quidam homo non est Christus. Item, Christus est unus aliquorum hominum, ergo est homo. Item, unus solus homo est Christus, et multi homines sunt; ergo unus hominum est Christus, quare aliquis homo est Christus. Item, in his locutionibus omnes declinaverunt, omnes in Adam peccaverunt, omnis homo mendax; in his, inquam, et similibus omnes catholici expositores Christum excipiunt; quod, si natura alius homo quam Christus excipiendus est, et Christus non est aliquis homo qui excipi debeat, nullus homo excipiendus est. Quae ergo sic dicuntur sine omni exceptione vera sunt. Item, Christus est sanctissimus hominum, beatissimus hominum, haec et hujusmodi omnia falsa sunt, si Christus non est aliquis homo. Item, si quis est habens naturam humanam est homo, et qui est aliquis habens naturam humanam est aliquis homo. Item, est aliquis animatus anima humana, ergo est aliquis homo. Item, aliquis est filius Abrahae, cui factae sunt repromissiones; Christus non est aliquis filius Abrahae; quare alii quam Christo factae sunt promissiones qui Christus non est. Item, nullus homo redemit nos, quia non alius redimere potuit, nec aliquis homo est vel fuit Christus qui nos redemit. Item, cum Christo crucifixi sunt duo latrones, sed duo illi homines cum Christo crucifixi sunt, et nullus alius homo tunc crucifixus est: ergo soli latrones tunc crucifixi sunt, absit! Quod si tunc alius homo crucifixus est, quis est iste alius homo, cum Christus non sit aliquis homo? Item, ubi duodecim apostoli erant cum Domino, ibi erant duodecim homines, et non soli duodecim, quia Christus ibi erat; ergo si praeter duodecim aliquis homo ibi erat, et hic erat Christus, aliquis homo erat Christus. Quod si non erat ibi aliquis homo praeter duodecim, soli homines duodecim ibi erant. Item, Christus fuit aliquis vir, ergo fuit aliquis homo.

Sed forte qua ratione asserunt eum non fuisse aliquem hominem, istud etiam fateri cognoscuntur ipsum non fuisse aliquem infantem, aliquem puerum, aliquem juvenem. Si enim, inquiunt, Christus fuit aliquis homo, cum nec ab aeterno fuerit homo, in tempore factus est aliquis homo; sed si in tempore factus est aliquis homo, in tempore factus est aliquid. Concedant igitur simili ratione quod non fuerit aliquis infans, quia si ex tempore coepit esse aliquid, quod ipsi absurdum, dicunt et impossibile. Nunquid ergo non beata Virgo non peperit aliquem infantem? Nunquid Simeon justus Christum accipiens in ulnas suas non vidit, nec tenuit aliquem infantem? nunquid apostoli et alii videntes et audientes Christum non videbant, nec audiebant aliquem hominem? Miror autem quod non attendunt hujus phantasmatis assertores quam modicum distent a Manichaeis. Illi dogmatizaverunt: Christus videbatur homo et non erat homo. Isti hoc dogmatizant, unde necesse habent confiteri: Christus videbatur homo, et non erat aliquis homo. Nam si erat et videbatur homo, videbatur utique, sed non erat aliquis homo; quare videbatur homo, et non erat aliquis homo. Similiter videbatur infans, et non erat aliquis infans; videbatur puer, et non erat aliquis puer; videbatur homo vivus, et non erat aliquis homo qui viveret; visus est homo moriens, et non erat aliquis homo qui moreretur; visus est postea homo resuscitatus a mortuis, et non erat aliquis homo resuscitatus a mortuis; visus est homo ille ascendere ad coelos, sed non erat aliquis homo qui in coelum ascenderet. Et quia in hujusmodi errores incidunt, et qui negant Christum secundum humanitatem aliquid fuisse, nos huic falsitati contrariam veritatem auctoritatibus et rationibus munitam esse demonstremus.

===CAP. VII.&lt;br&gt;===
Quod Christus secundum quod homo est aliquid.

Augustinus De Trinitate: « Caput Christi Deus, si Deus omnia simul tria haec intelliguntur, quomodo igitur caput est Deus, id est caput Christi est Trinitas, cum in Trinitate sit Christus? an quod Pater est cum Filio et Spiritu sancto, ei caput est quod solus est Filius? cum Patre enim et Spiritu sancto Filius est Deus, Filius autem solus est, homo factus est. » Item Augustinus in Joannem: « Ipse est homo qui Deus, quia Deus factus est homo; sed factus quod non erat, non amittens quod erat. » Item: « Creator hominis homo esse dignatus est, factus est quod fecerat, ne periret quem fecerat. » Item: « Angelus ad Mariam virginem: Quod nascetur ex te sanctum, vocabitur Filius Dei. » Item, super illum locum in Evangelio Joannis: Nunc autem quaeritis me interficere hominem, etc., legitur illud Augustini: « Non dicit ut poterat Dominum Abrahae, ne sit occasio calumniae, nec Filium Dei, sed quod vident, quem possunt accipere. » Item Augustinus: « Ne sileas a me, id est ne unitatem verbi tui separes ab eo, quod homo ego sum. » Item Augustinus, super psalmum illum: Domine, refugium : « Incepit esse quod non erat; servata substantiarum proprietate, quod creabile mansit creabile, quod increabile, increabile. » Item Augustinus De Trinitate: Nam si ego non abiero, advocatus non veniet ad vos. « Oportebat ergo ut auferretur ab oculis forma servi, qua intuentes, hoc solum esse Christum putabant quod videbant. » Item Augustinus De Trinitate: « Et quid tam grate suscipi posset, quam caro sacrificii nostri corpus effectum sacerdotis nostri? quoniam quatuor considerant in omni sacrificio, pro quibus offeratur, cui offeratur, a quo offeratur, quid offeratur. Idem ipse unus verus mediator per sacrificium pacis reconciliavit nos Deo, unum maneret cum illo cui offerebatur, unum in se faceret pro quibus offerebat, vel ipse esset qui offerebat et quod offerebatur. » Item Augustinus super Joannem: Noli me tangere : « Quid est hoc? hic solum me esse putas quod vides. Noli sic credere, id est noli me tangere. » Item Ambrosius: « Homo Christus quid est? id est quam magnum quid et dignum. Per hoc quod memor es ejus, faciendo eum immunem a peccato, aut, id est et filius hominis, scilicet idem ipse Christus homo de homine, ut Deus de Deo. Quid est? scilicet quam excellentissimum quid per hoc quod visitas eum resuscitando. »

===Epilogatio.===

Ecce secundum humanitatem Filius est aliquid quod non est Pater, nec Spiritus sanctus. Et est quod non erat, et factus est quod fecerat. Et secundum eamdem naturam est hoc quod ex Virgine natum est, et quod Judaei videbant et occidere poterant, et secundum quod homo erat, id est cui Verbum unitum erat. Et id quod creabile erat, et id quod offerebatur, id quod videbatur, et magis quid et dignum et quoddam excellentissimum. Quomodo ergo secundum quod homo, non erat aliquid? Ex his et aliis infinitis auctoritatibus elucescit, quod Christus secundum quod homo erat, et est aliquid; quod ut firmius sit et rationibus comprobetur.

===Item aliae rationes.===

Christus secundum quod homo habet humanitatem, ergo secundum quod homo habet aliquam substantialem qualitatem, ergo secundum quod homo est aliquid. Item, Christus secundum humanitatem est homo, sed esse hominem est esse aliquid. Item, Christus secundum duas naturas esse geminae substantiae, et secundum utramque naturam est alicujus substantiae; ergo secundum utramque naturam est aliquid. Item, Christus secundum quod homo est homousios, id est consubstantialis matri; ergo secundum quod homo habet aliquid substantiale commune cum matre; quare secundum quod homo est aliquid. Item, Christus secundum humanitatem est homo vel aliud, ergo secundum humanitatem est aliquid. Item, secundum quod homo est caput nostrum, ergo secundum quod homo est aliquid quod supra nos est. Item, secundum quod homo est pretium quo redempti sumus, ergo secundum quod homo est aliquod pretium, quare secundum quod homo est aliquid. Item, secundum quod homo est sacrificium quo expiati sumus, ergo secundum quod homo est aliquod sacrificium, quare secundum quod homo est aliquid. Item, Christus, Enoc et Elias sunt tres homines; ergo sunt tria, ergo secundum quod homo est unus illorum trium; ergo secundum quod homo est unum aliquid. Item, Christus aut solo nomine est homo, aut nomine et re; si solo nomine est homo, non vere est homo; si re et nomine est, homo est. Item alia ratio: Substantia data secundum hanc naturam quae omni homini convenit, illa convenit Christo; non autem illa est substantialis diffinitio quae convertitur cum definito, quod si secundum, quod homo suscepit aliquam substantialem diffinitionem, secundum quod homo habet aliqua substantialia; quare secundum quod homo est aliquid. Item, si humanitas convenit homini illi non substantialiter, nobis vero substantialiter, non propter humanitatem est ejusdem naturae nobiscum vel ejusdem substantiae. Sicut enim ignis substantialiter calidus et aqua accidentaliter calida, non sunt ejusdem naturae vel substantiae; ita nec nos qui substantialiter homines sumus, cum illo sumus unius naturae vel substantiae, qui non est substantialiter homo, sed vel accidentaliter, vel nec accidentaliter nec substantialiter. Quod si substantialiter est homo, et hoc praedicabile homo non in quale, sed in quid habeat praedicari; secundum quod homo est aliquid.

Item, aliqua accidentia erant in homine Christo, ergo Christo erant aliqua in quibus erant illa accidentia; sed non erant aliqua in quibus essent, ergo aliquid in quo erant illa accidentia. Item, pueritia Christi fuit in aliquo subjecto, si ergo secundum humanitatem fuit illud subjectum, Christus secundum humanitatem fuit aliquid; quod si corpus et anima fuit illud subjectum, corpus vel anima fuit puer vel puella; quare corpus vel anima fuit aliquis homo vel aliqua femina. Item, si Christus secundum quod homo non erat aliquid, crucifixio et tristitia Christi non fuit in aliquo subjecto; quare corpus tantum crucifigebatur, anima sola tristabatur; nec ex duobus illis aliquid constabat quod crucifigeretur et tristaretur, nec aliud aliquid ibi crucifigebatur et tristabatur; ergo nihil ibi tristabatur et crucifigebatur. Hac ratione Christo nihil fuit quod sederet, et aliquid sciret; nec fuit aliquid quod verba proferret, et ea intelligeret; nec fuit aliquid quod moreretur, et ideo frueretur; quare sedere, proferre, mori, haec corporis sunt: scire, intelligere, frui, animae sunt; Christus vero nec illa duo, nec aliquod compositum ex illis erat, nec aliquid omnino cui illa convenirent. Rursum in hac assertione sua parum distant a Manichaeis. Illi dicebant: Christus videbatur homo et non erat homo; videbatur crucifigi, et non crucifigebatur; videbatur mori, et non moriebatur. Isti dicunt: Christus videbatur homo, et non erat aliquid quod videbatur, Christus loquebatur, et non erat aliquid quod loquebatur; crucifigebatur, et non erat aliquid quod crucifigebatur. Item, post resurrectionem apostoli viderunt Christum et non viderunt aliquid quod erat Christus; credebant se videre et audire Christum, sed non videbant, nec audiebant aliquid quod esset Christus. Quando etiam videntibus apostolis Christus ascendit in altum, nihil quod esset Christus ascendit in altum. Divina enim substantia quae sola, ut asserunt, Christus est, localiter ascendere et descendere non potest. Quia vero condiscipuli mei et alii innumerabiles negant Christum essentialiter sive substantialiter esse hominem, illud hoc loco demonstretur. Et quae contra dici solent dissolvantur.

===CAP. VIII.&lt;br&gt;===
Rationes quibus probatur quod Christus essentialiter et substantialiter est homo.

Si Christus solo habitu est homo, id est quod habet hominem ut indumentum; et, si quia sit aliquid quod sit homo, non sunt haec vera, Deus est homo, et homo Deus est; Deus factus est homo, et homo factus est Deus. Si enim Deus habet tantummodo hominem, et non est aliquid quod sit homo, Deus non est homo. Et si tantummodo habens hominem est Deus, et non aliquid quod essentialiter sit homo, est Deus; homo non est Deus. Item, si Deus factus est homo et homo factus est Deus, cum nec prius nec posterius factus sit, Deus homo, qua homo, factus est quando Deus factus est homo. Homo factus est Deus, sed hoc stare non potest, si vera sit traditio illorum contra quos sermo est. Non enim quando Deus factus est homo, id est habens naturam humanam, vel ipse, vel alius humanam naturam habens factus est Deus. Sicut enim homo hodie fit tunicatus, nec tamen tunicatus fit homo; ita secundum quod illi sentiunt, dicendum esset, quod tunc Deus factus homo, sed non homo factus est Deus, id est proprie Deus habens humanam naturam factus est Deus ens homo. Quod si verum dicerent, in hujusmodi violentis et ridiculis expositionibus non laborarent. Item, si ideo dicitur Christus sive Deus assumpsisse hominem in unitate personae, quia manens una eademque persona quae prius fuerat, accepit sibi tanquam indumentum carnem et animam, quae prius non habuerat, ita tamen ut nec duo illa, nec aliquid fieret illa persona, eadem ratione dici potest quod sic assumpsit columbam in unitate personae; nam et ipse Spiritus sanctus, assumpta columba in qua appareret, mansit una et eadem persona quae prius fuerat. Hac etiam ratione dicendum de angelis quoties apparuerint in corporibus undecunque assumptis, quia corpora illa assumpserunt in unitatem personae. Quod si dixerint naturam assumptam a Christo esse naturam Christi, sed naturam a Spiritu sancto, sive ab angelo non ita assumi, ut sit natura Dei assumentis vel angeli: sciant hoc ideo esse, quia homo assumptus cum Deo assumente una est persona, cujusmodi unio inter Spiritum sanctum et columbam fieri non posset, nisi Spiritus sanctus vere columba, et ipsa columba vere Spiritus sanctus fieret. Et similiter de angelo et de assumpta creatura sentiendum. Item, si corpus Christi sub specie panis essentialiter corpus Christi est, quanto fortius ipse Christus in propria specie essentialiter homo est; et utique quia species illa in altari tantummodo ut velamen est, ideo non est species illius naturae cujus est ipsum corpus, nec corpus illius naturae cujus est illa species; quare similiter et Deus, si habet hominem tantummodo ut velamen, tamen ut homo est illius naturae cujus est Deus; nec e converso: quod, si Christus essentialiter est homo, cum omnis homo, qui vere et proprie dicitur homo, sit substantialiter homo, et Christus substantialiter est homo, aut non vere et proprie dicitur homo. Sed, ut dicunt, Christus non vere et proprie dicitur homo; solo enim habitu et non essentia dicitur homo, quod ut puro jam probatum est, et adhuc amplius per sequentia probabitur. Item, Christus secundum naturam humanam substantialis est matri, et natura humana substantialiter matri convenit; ergo et Christo. Item, si Christus non habet humanitatem tanquam sibi substantialem, sicut habet beata Virgo, Christus secundum humanitatem cum beata Virgine non est ejusdem substantiae vel naturae. Ille enim habet solummodo tanquam vestimentum, illa habet tanquam substantialem formam sive naturam. Item, nihil est substantiale beatae Virgini quod sit substantiale Christo, ergo non est filius homousios matri, ergo filius et mater non sunt ejusdem naturae vel substantiae. Quod si auctores efflagitant, audiant illud Hieronymi in sermone Cogitis me: « Unus idemque manens Filius unigenitus inseparatus in utrisque naturis conspicitur, et quae sunt utriusque substantiae naturaliter operabatur secundum unicuique insitam essentialem qualitatem. » Si Christus habuerit essentialem qualitatem humanae substantiae vel naturae, generaliter fuit homo. Dionysius vera ad Timotheum episcopum de mytica theologia ait: « Superessentialis Jesus humanis naturalibus veritatibus essentia factus. » Augustinus in libro De fide ad Petrum: « Qui essentialiter conceptus est natus de Virgine. » Item, Graecum illud et authenticum nomen homousios manifeste declarat quod Christus essentialiter sit homo, cum dicitur a catholicis homousios, id est essentialis, sive unius substantiae, id est naturae cum matre. Quod si Christus non est essentialiter et substantialiter homo, nec secundum quod homo est animal, nec corpus, nec substantia. Quod Christus secundum quod homo substantia sit, quod sit corpus, quod sit animal, sequentia declarabunt. Contra haec vero quod Christum essentialiter et substantialiter hominem dicimus, multifariam disputatur.

===CAP. IX.&lt;br&gt;===
Quae contra objici possunt et solent.

Substantiale est Christo esse hominem; ergo destructo homine destruitur Christus. Quod, si a nobis simile expetitur, respondemus, natura humana natura est Christi, ergo et ea destructa destruitur Christus. Non sequitur. Solus enim Jesus est gigas geminae substantiae geminaeque naturae, et ideo sicut antequam mundus fieret et sine natura assumpta exstitit, ita etiam hodie sine ea existere posset, ac non tota Trinitas destructa qualis creatura existeret. Similiter et in omnibus illis quae ei secundum quod homo substantialia sunt, destructis nihilominus existeret, aut non existentibus quibusdam creaturis Deus esse desineret. Hoc autem videtur dicere contra illud argumentum. Non videtur secundum quid genus participari, nam non est homo secundum quid animal, neque grammatica secundum quid est disciplina, et alibi secundum quid et non simpliciter inesse in solo accidente contigit: unde non videtur dicendum quod aliquid sit substantiale Christo secundum humanam naturam, nisi simpliciter sit substantiale. Sed si simpliciter est substantiale, destructum destruit.

Ad quod dicimus quod stultam facit Deus sapientiam hujus mundi. Haec enim omnia philosophica: Si Virgo est, nunquam peperit: si caecus semel factus est, nunquam postea videt; si Deus est, non est homo; si est visibilis, non est invisibilis: si est aeternus, non est temporalis, et hujusmodi infinita, quae philosophis videbantur verissima, catholicis omnibus constat esse falsissima. Habeant ergo philosophorum documenta locum suum in his quae secundum naturam se habent, non in his quae contra naturam mirabiliter fiunt et facta sunt.

===Aliae objectiones.===

Item objici potest: Haec species homo est substantialis Christo secundum quod homo, et non sunt paria: ergo est aliquid quod est superius Christo. Sed si haec species sive aliquid aliud universale est superius Christo, aut non omnia universalia sunt creaturae, aut aliqua creatura est aliquid superius Christo. Item: Si aliquod praedicabile est superius Christo, aliquid quod non est Deus hoc Deo personaliter unitum est superius Christo. Simile: Haec praedicabilia anima et corpus sunt superiora anima et corpore Christi; ergo aut haec praedicabilia non sunt creaturae, aut aliquae creaturae sunt aliqua superiora anima et corpore Christi. Aliud simile: Si haec universalia sunt superiora corpore et anima Christi, aliqua quae non sunt Christus nec personaliter unita, sunt superiora anima et corpore Christi.

Possem hic nominum distinguere aequivocationem. Dicitur enim superius vel inferius loco, ordine et dignitate, et forte aliis modis. Ordine quidem sive descendendi a generalissimis usque ad individua, sive ascendendi ab individuis ad generalissima. Superius est hoc praedicabile homo quolibet suo singulari, non loco, sed dignitate. Sed istud potius existimo et dico quoties de Christo vel de qualibet persona in Trinitate, sive de ipsa divina essentia, quoties etiam de sacramentis et de articulis fidei disputatur, his quae logicorum propria omnia sunt supersedendum; aut si aliquando, ne penitus absint, admittuntur, sicut perstrepere velint, statim eliminentur, tum quia regulariter majestatibus verba non competunt, quae naturale indumentum rationis non transcendunt, tum etiam quia plerique logicae professores molesti sunt interpretes verborum et aucupes syllogismorum. Aquae vero Siloes fluunt cum silentio, et in domo Domini non est auditus malleus, neque securis audita.

Praeterea illud objicitur Joannis Damasceni: « Cum unam hominum naturam dicimus, sciendum est quod non considerantes ad animae et corporis rationem haec dicimus; impossibile enim est unius naturae dicere corpus et animam ad invicem corporata, sed quia plurimae personae hominum sunt, omnes autem eamdem suscipiunt rationem naturae, omnes enim ex anima et corpore compositi sunt, et omnes naturam animae participant et substantiam corporis possident, communem speciem plurimarum et differentium personarum, unam naturam dicimus uniuscujusque scilicet personae duas naturas scilicet habentis, et in duabus perfecte naturis existentis, scilicet animae et corporis. In Domino autem Jesu Christo non est communem accipere speciem; non enim factus est, non est, nec aliquando fiet alius, sed Christus ex divinitate et humanitate, in deitate et humanitate Deus perfectus est, idem et homo perfectus. »

Hic Joannem Damascenum idem dicere et sentire putant, quod Christo non convenit haec species homo: unde confidentius dicunt quod non erat substantialiter homo, non aliquid secundum quod homo. Sed si diligentius totam seriem auctoritatis hujus inspicerent, hoc solum hic doceri liquido comperirent, quod sicut omnis species sive una natura est in omnibus et in singulis hominibus, eo quod homines etiam singuli in duabus perfecte naturis existunt, animae scilicet et corporis: non ita est in Christo communem speciem sive unam naturam accipere, sed quia ex divinitate consistit et humanitate; unde subdit, neque enim factus est, etc., quibus non bene ostendit quod Christus est Deus et homo, non esse commune ei cum aliis. Alioquin si hoc dicere et probare voluit quod haec species homo non convenit Christo, hac ratione qua illud probat, probari similiter posset quod divinitas non convenit Christo. Sicut enim non est tantum homo, ita nec est tantum Deus, sed perfectus homo et perfectus Deus. Videtur autem potius contra haereticos disputare, qui dicebant esse unam speciem sive naturam in Christo ex duabus composita. Unde idem Joannes: « Inconverse et inalterabiliter unitae sunt ad invicem naturae, neque divina distante a propria simplicitate, neque humana, aut conversa in divinitatis naturam, aut in non existentiam divisa, neque ex duabus una facta composita natura. Composita enim natura neutri earum ex quibus componitur naturis homousia, id est consubstantialis esse potest, ex altero perficiens alterum, ut corpus ex quatuor elementis compositum non ignis nominatur, nec terra, nec aer, nec aqua, nec horum alicui homousion dicitur. Si ergo, secundum haereticos, Christus unius compositae naturae post unionem exstitit, ex simplici natura conversus est in compositam, et neque Patri simplicis naturae existenti, neque matri est homousios, neque Deus, neque homo denominabitur, sed Christus solum; et erit haec natura scilicet Christus, non personae ipsius natura, sed unius secundum eos compositae naturae. Nos autem Christum non unius compositae naturae dogmatizamus, et haec natura, scilicet Christus, personae dicimus non monotropos, id est uno modo dictum, sed duarum naturarum esse significatum, scilicet deitatis et humanitatis. Ex deitate autem et humanitate Deum perfectum et hominem perfectum eumdem esse et dici ex duabus et in duabus naturis confitemur. » Ecce hic plane ostendit, quod haec natura Christus non significat unam compositam naturam, sed duas naturas et unam personam duarum naturarum.

Unde supra dixit: In Domino Jesu Christo non est communem speciem accipere, scilicet unam compositam naturam ex deitate et humanitate. Aut forte ideo dixit: In Christo non est communem speciem accipere: species enim est totum esse individuorum et commune omnibus suis individuis. Haec vero species homo non est totum esse Christi, quia Deus est et homo, quod non est ei commune cum aliis. Non enim factus est, etc. Boetius vero contra Eutychen et Nestorium duas naturas in Christo, duas dicit esse specificas differentias, ac si diceret substantiales. Nec enim Deus species est, nec divinitas specifica differentia, nec etiam propria differentia cum sit substantia. Humanitas vero multo rectius specifica differentia, sive substantialis qualitas, qua substantia dici potest. Quod tamen illi asserunt, qui humanitatem in Christo non naturam vel proprietatem quae sit ei communis cum aliis hominibus, sed vel animam, vel carnem, vel haec duo simul intelligunt. Sed de his suo loco disputabitur. Ecce Boetius specificam differentiam, scilicet divinitatem dicit convenire Christo; quod si specifica differentia ei convenit, et ipsa species eidem convenit. Quoniam itaque omnia quae propositae veritati repugnare videntur, facillime dissolvuntur, confidenter asserendum est quod Christus essentialiter et substantialiter est homo, sicut essentialiter et substantialiter est Deus; et ita secundum quod Deus est aliquid, et secundum quod homo est aliquid. Quod autem secundum has duas naturas sit aliud et aliud, sacris auctoritatibus et solidissimis fundamentis innitur.

===CAP. X.&lt;br&gt;===
Quod Christus est aliud et aliud.

Augustinus super Joannem: « Aliud est Verbum Dei, aliud homo; sed Verbum caro factum est, id est homo. Non itaque alia Verbi, alia hominis persona, quoniam uterque Christus et una persona. » Idem ad Felicianum: « Aliud Dei Filius, aliud hominis filius, sed non alius. » Item: « Dei Filius aliud de Patre, aliud de matre. » Item Leo papa: « Christus etsi unum manet ab aeternitate, aliud tamen coepit esse in tempore; quae tamen in unitate conveniunt, nec separationem possunt habere, nec finem. » Item Augustinus De Trinitate: « Forma Dei accepit formam servi, uterque Deus, uterque homo; sed uterque Deus propter accipientem Deum, uterque homo propter acceptum hominem. » Idem in libro De Trinitate: « Cum legitur caro Verbum factum, intelligo verum Dei Filium, in carne agnosco verum hominis filium, uterque simul unam personam Deum et hominem ineffabilis gratiae largitate conjunctam. » Idem super Joannem: « Utrumque novimus in Christo, et unde aequalis est Patri, et unde illo major est Pater. Illud Verbum est, illud caro; illud Deus est, illud homo; et unus est Christus Deus et homo. » Idem super Joannem: Qui credit in me, etc. « Quia homo apparebat, Deus in homine latebat, ne putarent eum hoc tantum esse quod videbant. Vult se credi talem tantum, qualis et quantus est Pater. » Idem super psalmum illum: Exaltabo te, Domine, quoniam suscepisti me, « Christus nec Deus tantum, nec homo est, sicut diversi haeretici dogmatizaverunt, sed verus Deus, et verus homo; non duo tamen, sed unus est Christus. » Item Augustinus in Enchiridion: « Christus Jesus Deus de Deo est, homo autem est natus de Spiritu sancto ex Maria Virgine; utraque substantia, divina scilicet et humana, Filius unicus Dei Patris omnipotentis, ex quo procedit uterque unus; sed aliud propter Verbum, aliud propter hominem, non duo filii Deus et homo, sed unus Dei Filius, Deus sine initio, homo a certo initio. » Idem super Joannem: « Agnoscamus geminam substantiam Christi, divinam scilicet, qua aequalis est Patri, et humanam qua major est Pater; utrumque autem simul non duo, sed unus est Christus. » Idem in libro De fide ad Petrum: « Firmissime tene et nullatenus dubites, Dei Verbum quod caro factum est, duas naturas inconfusibiliter permanere; unam divinam, quam habet cum Patre communem; alteram humanam secundum quam dicit: Pater major me est. » Item in libro De Trinitate: « Cum Filius sit Deus et homo, alia substantia Deus, alia homo. Idem super Joannem: Anima et corpus duae res sunt, sed unus est homo; Verbum et homo duae res sunt, sed unus Christus. » Item Boetius contra Eutychen et Nestorium: « Si hominem Christum intelligas, idem est Deus atque homo, quoniam natura Deus est, homo assumptione, suntque in eo gemina natura, gemina substantia, quoniam homo et Deus una persona est, quoniam idem homo atque Deus. » Sed hic insurgunt qui contra nos sunt, quia dicit Boetius: « Deus est Deus natura, homo assumptione, » ac si dictum sit, quod Christus sit natura Deus, homo vero non natura, sed assumptione, quod non est verum. Ideo ita distinxit Boetius quod Deus est natura, et non ex assumptione, homo vero ita est natura quod assumptione. Sicut dicitur Deus est Deus natura, Salvator est gratia, quia quod Deus est, hoc est solius naturae; quod Salvator, hoc est naturae ita quod gratiae. Si respondeant ipsi: Quomodo homo Christus homo est ex natura, Deus est autem ex assumptione? Non homo Christus, id est Christus habens hominem est habens hominem ex natura et Deus ex assumptione; imo potius est Deus ex natura, homo ex assumptione. Quanto igitur verius est quod nos cum Boetio sentimus, quia homo ille homo est ex natura sua, sed Deus ex assumptione, id est quia a Deo in unitatem personae assumptus est, et idem ipse Deus est; Deus est ex propria natura, sed homo ex assumptione, id est quia hominem assumpsit. Assumptio autem non excludit naturam, sed modum insinuat habendi naturam; qui per naturam aeternam Deus est, per naturam ex tempore assumptam homo est. Ex praemissis liquido demonstratur quod Christus est aliud et aliud, et quod alia est et alia substantia: unde patet quod secundum quod homo est aliquid, et secundum quod Deus est aliud. Similiter secundum quod homo est aliqua substantia, et secundum quod Deus est alia substantia. Alioquin si Christus non est aliud et aliud, Christus non est Deus et homo. Si enim Christus est Deus et non aliud, Christus est tantum Deus; item, si Christus est homo et non aliud, Christus est tantum homo; ergo si Christus est Deus et non aliud, vel homo et non aliud, Christus non est Deus et homo. Si Christus est Deus et homo, ergo Christus est Deus et aliud, et homo est et aliud; quare Christus est aliud et aliud.

===CAP. XI.&lt;br&gt;===
Quaedam quae his videntur contraria.

Augustinus in Enchiridion: « Quae bona voluntas et quae bona opera praecesserunt, quibus mereretur ille homo fieri una persona cum Deo? Nunquid antea fuit homo, et hoc ei singulare beneficium praestitum est, ut singulariter promereretur Deum? Nempe ex quo homo esse coepit, non aliud coepit esse homo quam Dei Filius, et hoc unicus, et propterea Dei Verbum; quia ab illo suscepta caro facta est utique Deus, aut quemadmodum est una persona quilibet homo, anima scilicet rationalis et caro: ita sit Christus una persona Deus et homo? » Item Hilarius in libro De Trinitate: « Quaero an filius hominis idem sit et Filius Dei, et cur alius non sit Filius hominis, et aliud Filius Dei, Verbum caro factum. Et eum qui Filius Dei est, ipse et hominis sit filius, requiro quis in hoc filio hominis, qui et Filius Dei est, glorificatus sit. » Hoc autem absque privilegio ita solvi posse conjicimus, ut sicut Augustinus de personis dicit tria pro tres; ita et hic aliud ponatur pro alius, quod patet in prosecutione. Augustinus etiam ita concludit sententiam: « Una persona Deus et homo, » non dicit una substantia vel una natura. Similiter accipitur illud Hilarii, vel quia non dicit Hilarius simpliciter, cum aliud non sit filius hominis, neque aliud Filius Dei, sed mox addit: « Verbum caro factum. » Non negat quin aliud sit filius hominis, aliud sit Filius Dei, sed dicit quod non aliud homo Christus, aliud Deus homo. Cum enim dicitur aliud Deus, aliud homo, differentia naturarum ostenditur, cum vero dicitur Deus homo, sive Verbum caro, ita personae unitas exprimitur, ut utraque natura designetur; unde non est dicendum aliud filius hominis, aliud Filius Dei Verbum caro, ne praeter divinam et humanam tertia natura intelligatur in Christo. Vel ideo dicitur, non est aliud Filius Dei, aliud Filius Dei hominis; quia nihil est Filius Dei quod non sit filius hominis; nec e converso, licet Filius Dei sit unum et aliud, et filius hominis sit unum et aliud. Sicut non est alterius naturae Filius Dei quam filius hominis; cum tamen et filius hominis et Filius Dei sit unius et alterius naturae. Quod vero dicitur alibi: Aliud est Filius Dei, aliud filius hominis, ita accipiendum est: aliud Filius Dei secundum quod Filius Dei, aliud est filius hominis secundum quod filius hominis, non quod aliquid sit Filius Dei quod non sit filius hominis, vel e converso. Vel ita: Aliud est Filius Dei, aliud est filius hominis, id est alia est haec natura, alia est illa. Saepe enim essentialia pro personalibus et personalia pro essentialibus posita reperiuntur.

Item Hieronymus in epistola illa: Cogitis me, o Paula et Eustochium, ait: « Altitudinem tanti mysterii diligenter intelligere et videre non potuerunt, qui autem duos filios, certe aut aliud Christum quam Dei Filium aestimavere. » Hic videtur Hieronymus cum illis sentire qui dixerunt, quod Christus nihil aliud est quam Deus, nihil aliud quam Dei Filius, et ita non est Christus aliud et aliud. Possumus et hic dicere quod genus pro genere posuit; unde et quidam libri planius alium non aliud, vel quia haec auctoritas duas haereses percutit: unam illorum qui dicunt duas personas velut duas naturas esse in Christo, et ideo asserunt duos esse filios, alium Dei Filium, alium hominis filium, alteram illorum qui Christum tantum creaturam credunt esse. Illud sic intelligendum videtur. Aliud Christum quam Dei Filium existimavere. Aliud omnino quam Dei Filium, id est disparatum, sed hoc solummodo quod non est Dei Filius; creaturam enim tantum et non Dei Filium putaverunt; contra quos illud pervulgatum est, Filius a Patre solo est, non factus, nec creatus, sed genitus. Item in eadem epistola: « Sitivit Deus ac potavit in utero Virginis sine sui corruptione misceri atque uniri, ut unus esset Christus Deus et homo; ut una esset persona, unaque substantia; » ubi notandum quod multi hodie corrupte legunt pro subsistentia substantia, cum ipse Hieronymus sic accipiat substantiam sicut Graeci hypostasim; substantiam vero sive essentiam, sicut illi usiam, quod ex ipsa lectione totius epistolae cuilibet legenti manifestum est. Verumtamen si quis librorum multitudini credendum existimat quod Hieronymus ita scripserit, una persona unaque substantia, substantiam pro subsistentia, id est pro persona, secundum Graeci sermonis idioma, incunctanter accipiat; unde Augustinus in quinto libro De Trinitate: « Plerique nostrorum, qui Graeco tractant eloquio, dicere consueverunt mian usian tres hypostases, quod est Latine unam essentiam tres substantias. Sed quia nostra loquendi consuetudo jam obtinuit, ut hoc intelligatur cum dicimus essentiam quod intelligitur cum dicimus substantiam, non audemus dicere unam essentiam et tres substantias, sed unam essentiam, vel substantiam, tres autem personas. » Item in VII: « Loquendi causa de ineffabilibus ut fari aliquo modo possemus, dictum est a Graecis una essentia et tres substantiae, id est una usia, tres hypostases. Aliter enim Graeci accipiunt substantiam quam Latini. A Latinis enim dictum est una essentia vel substantia, tres personae. Quia non aliter in sermone nostro, id est Latino, essentia quam substantia solet intelligi. Quod si Hieronymus unam solam in Christo substantiam assereret, id est naturam sive essentiam, non modo aliis catholicis, sed et sibi contrarius esset. Ait enim in Expositione fidei Catholicae: « Sic confitemur in Christo unam Filii esse personam, ut dicamus duas perfectas et integras esse substantias, id est Deitatis et humanitatis, quae ex anima continetur et corpore. » Cui auctoritati miror magistrum Petrum Lombardum istud subscripsisse.

Ecce hic aperte ostendit humanitatis nomine animam et corpus intelligi. Errant igitur qui nomine humanitatis non substantiam, sed proprietatem quamdam, a qua homo nominatur significari contendunt. Hoc vero, si Hieronymus sentiret, non duas diceret, sed tres substantias. Humanitatis enim quam dixit ex anima contineri et corpore, si non esset aliqua natura, id est substantialis proprietas, sed substantia, vel corpus est, vel anima, cum ex his, ut aiunt, in Christo aliquid constare non possit, sed nec corpus, nec anima ex corpore continetur et anima; unde dicimus hanc auctoritatem potius intelligendam sic: Confitemur in Christo unam Filii esse personam, ut dicamus duas perfectas et integras esse substantias, id est deitatis et humanitatis, hoc est Dei et hominis, qui homo ex anima continetur et corpore. Vel aliter duas substantias, id est duas naturas, id est deitatis et humanitatis intransitive, id est quae sunt deitas et humanitas: quae humanitas continetur ex anima et corpore, id est ex natura animae et ex natura corporis; humanitas enim est natura composita ex natura corporis et ex natura animae. Quae est autem illa substantia, quam magister Petrus dicit humanitatis nomine significari? qua enim ratione animam magis quam corpus, aut corpus magis quam animam significat? Quare humanitas Christi non est aliquid, sed aliqua? Item, cum dicitur, humanitas Christi est anima, humanitas Christi est corpus, humanitas Christi est corpus et anima: idem est corpus quod anima, et idem est corpus quod corpus et anima. Sed hae locutiones verae sunt, et in eis idem supponitur. Et idem est anima quod corpus et anima. Sed humanitas Christi est unum numero; ergo, si ipsa est anima, non est corpus; et, si ipsa est corpus, non est anima. Item, humanitas Christi est sola una substantia, ergo ipsa non est anima et corpus; quod si aliud hic subditur, humanitas Christi est corpus, aliud hic humanitas Christi est anima, et non est una humanitas, nec unum aliquid quod sit corpus Christi et anima, vel ex illis constans, potius dicendum esset Christus trium naturarum quam duarum, tres enim sunt naturae: natura divina, natura animae, natura corporis, et dicendus esset trinae substantiae potius quam geminae. Errant ergo potius qui nomine humanitatis substantialem proprietatem a qua homo nominatur, significari negant; sed sicut praediximus, vel in scriptis suis vel in disputationibus asseruisse magister Petrus credebatur, postea nobis non asserenda, sed studiosius disserenda reliquit vel discutienda. Est ergo Christus aliud et aliud, et alia et alia substantia, alioquin si tantum esset divina substantia, non esset animalis nec corpus.

===CAP. XII.&lt;br&gt;===
Auctoritates quibus probatur quod Christus est animal et corpus.

Quod autem Christus sit animal dicit Beda super Marcum: Aliud non manufactum aedificabo. « Dominus dixit: Suscitabo vivum animal, significans et spirans templum. » Item, quod sit corpus, id est corporea substantia, dicit Hieronymus super alium locum in Evangelio Matthaei: Et descendens Petrus de navicula, etc. « Ecce Petrus super aquas ambulat. Ne ergo dubites Christum unum corpus esse, etsi super aquas ambulat. » Item, tristitiam sic assumpsit quomodo et carnem Christus voluntate non necessitate; fuit enim tristis, ut Evangelium dicit. Si enim tristis non fuit, cum Evangelium dicat: Tristis est anima usque ad mortem ; ergo quando dicit: Dormivit Jesus, non dormivit; vel cum dicitur manducasse, non manducavit. Et ita nihil sanum relinquitur, ut etiam dicatur quia corpus non erat Christus. Item super Lucam: Corpus Christi granum sinapis, quia accipiens Joseph in horto sepelivit, quod postea in resurrectione et ascensione crevit, expandit ramos praedicatores scilicet per totum mundum mittens. Hic autem corpus Christi non videtur accipiendum de parte hominis, quae cum anima constituit hominem. Illa enim non misit praedicatores, sed illud totum, illa scilicet corporea substantia quae est quoddam totum suum compositum, quod est Christus. Nemo autem sanctis doctoribus insultet propter illud documentum Aristotelis: Latent autem quandoque totum in partes ponentes, ut animal corpus sensibile. Nullo enim modo pars de toto praedicatur; quare non erit corpus genus animalis, eo quod pars est. Hic enim garriunt multi quod nullus homo sit corpus, ac si melius ista intelligant quam Porphyrius et Boetius et alii omnes sive interpretes Aristotelis, sive expositores nec attendunt quod corpus multipliciter accipitur. Aliquando enim significat quamdam continuam quantitatem, aliquando idem quod corporea substantia, aliquando partem animalis, quae cum anima constituit animal, aliquando cadaver, aliquando collectionem quamdam, ut, cum dicitur: populus est unum corpus. Contra illos loquitur Aristoteles qui partem animalis dicebant genus animalis. Fuerunt qui dicerent quod animal nihil aliud esset quam corpus animalis. Alii vero dicebant quod animal nihil aliud esset quam anima animalis; unde usquecunque non est quis, cui erat contraria sententia corpus cujusque hoc est . . . utique, sicut ab eruditis accepimus, apud Graecos manifestum est quod in illa definitione corpus sensibile, prout eam reprehendit Aristoteles, in uno vocabulo non solum omnium corporum, sed pars animalis intelligenda sit. Quod vero Christus secundum humanitatem sit quoddam totum, tam auctoritatibus quam rationibus probatur.

===CAP. XIII.&lt;br&gt;===
Quod Christus sit aliquid totum sive compositum.

Augustinus super Joannem: « Dominus Jesus Christus totum quod videbatur, et tenebatur, et crucifigebatur. Num totum hoc ipse est? Ipse est quidem, sed non totus. Illud quod viderunt Judaei, non hoc totus Christus. Et quid est? In principio erat Verbum. » Idem in eodem: « Quia homo constat ex carne et anima, totus autem homo in Christo; non enim partem deteriorem suscepisset, et partem meliorem deseruisset. Pars quippe hominis melior est anima, quam corpus. Quia ergo totus homo in Christo, quid est Christus, inquam? Verbum et homo. Quid Verbum et homo? Verbum, anima et caro? » Item, Joannes Chrysostomus: « Quia ergo pueri communicaverunt carni et sanguini, et ipse similiter participavit eisdem, id est pueris, quia factus est puer constans ex carne et anima. » Item Augustinus super Joannem: « Verbum caro factum est, id est Deus homo factus est in anima rationali et carne. Usus namque Scriptura est aliquando per solam animam totum significare hominem, aliquando per solam carnem. Per solam animam, ut: Descendit Jacob in Aegyptum in LXX animabus, per solam carnem, ut Isaias: Et videbit caro salutare Dei. Sic ergo dictum est, Verbum caro factum est, quasi diceretur Deus homo factus est. » Idem: Accedit homo ad Deum et fit una persona, ut non sit semideus, quasi ex parte Dei Deus, et ex parte hominis homo, sed totus Deus et totus homo. » Item Hilarius: « Homini acquirebatur ut Deus esset, nunquid divinitati ejus? nunquid animae vel carni? non utique, sed homini constanti ex utroque. » Idem: « Christum non ambigimus esse Deum Verbum, neque rursum filium hominis ex anima et corpore constitisse ignoramus. » Hieronymus in Expositione catholicae fidei: « Sed confitemur in Christo unam Filii esse personam, ut dicamus duas perfectas et integras esse substantias, id est deitatis et humanitatis, quae ex anima continetur et corpore. » Item Anastasius [l. Athanasius]: « Maledictus qui totum hominem quem assumpsit Dei Filius, denuo assumptum et liberatum tertia die a mortuis resurrexisse non confitetur. Fiat, fiat. » Idem: « Perfectus Deus, perfectus homo ex anima rationali et humana carne subsistens. »

===CAP. XIV:&lt;br&gt;===
Rationes quibus idem probatur.

Christus habet corpus humanum, illud constat ex partibus suis; ergo illae partes sunt partes Christi, vel alicujus quod est Christus. Item, Christus habet membra humana, caput, brachia, etc.; illa sunt membra Christi, ergo sunt partes Christi. Item, cum Christus sit homo, aut est homo habens partes, aut non habens; si nullas habet partes, cum naturale sit homini habere partes, Christus caret partibus; si caret omnibus partibus hominis, caret corpore et anima, quod absit! Item, aliqua est statura Christi, quae non est, nec esse potest rei simplicis; ergo Christus est aliqua res composita. Item, Christus major est secundum tres dimensiones corporis aliquo composito; ergo aut aliquod simplex secundum has tres dimensiones majus est aliquo composito, aut Christus est aliquod compositum. Item, si Christus sine incremento membrorum suorum non crevit, sine incremento partium suarum non crevit; ergo aliqua pars ejus crevit, ergo erat aliquod totum, sive aliquod compositum. Mira autem hebetudo hominum qui non attendunt, quod non aliquis, non digitus hominis possit esse, quin sit aliquod compositum; quanto minus totus homo et integer potest esse, quin sit aliquod compositum: nec nos praeterit Christum aliter dici totum sive compositum.

===CAP. XV.&lt;br&gt;===
Rationes ad idem.

Augustinus in libro Sententiarum Prosperi: « Christi persona constat et conficitur ex Deo et homine, cum ipse Christus unus sit Deus et verus sit homo. » Idem in libro De Trinitate: « Ex utraque substantia divinitatis et humanitatis unus atque idem est Deus, Dei et hominis Filius Jesus Christus, ut Deus verus, ita et homo verus. » Item: « Sic Deo conjungi potuit humana natura, ut ex duabus substantiis fieret una persona; atque per hoc constat ex tribus, Deo, anima et carne. » Item Joannes Damascenus: « In Domino nostro Jesu Christo duas naturas cognoscimus, unam autem hypostasim, ex utraque compositam. Incarnatus est ergo Christus ex Virgine assumens primitias nostrae massae, ut ipsa exstiterit carnis hypostasis quae Dei Verbi hypostasis, et composita facta fuerit, quae prius simplex Verbi hypostasis; composita vero ex duabus perfectis naturis, deitate et humanitate. » Idem: « Confitemur has duas naturas unitas invicem in unam hypostasim compositam Filii Dei. » Idem: « Ex deitate et humanitate Deum perfectum et hominem perfectum, eumdem et esse et dici ex duabus et in duabus naturis confitemur. » Item Augustinus: « Sicut est Christus veritas, ut dum totum accipias, verum est Verbum, vera anima, vera caro, verus Deus, verus homo. » Idem: « Non tantum Verbum Dei et hominis caro, sed etiam rationalis hominis anima, atque hoc totum, et Deus propter Deum, et homo propter hominem. » Item Boetius in libro contra Eutychen et Nestorium: « Si Dei atque hominis diversa substantia est, unumque in utrisque Christi nomen, non diversarum conjunctio substantiarum unam credimur fecisse personam; aequivocum est nomen Christi, et nulla potest diffinitione concludi. Quibus autem Scripturis nunquam Christi nomen generatur? Quid novi per adventum Salvatoris effectum est? Nam catholicis et fidei veritas et raritas miraculi constat; quam enim magnum est, quamque novum, quod semel, et nullo alio saeculo possit evenire, ut ea quae solus Deus est natura, cum humana, quae ab ea diversissima erat, conveniret, atque ita ex distantibus naturis una fieret copulatione persona. » Secundum vero Nestorii sententiam quid contigit novi? « Servat, inquit, proprias divinitas humanitasque personas; quando enim non fuit divinitatis propria humanitatisque persona? quando vero non erit? » Et post pauca: « Quod si nulla ex homine atque Deo una persona conjuncta est, ergo omnes sanctos, scilicet homines. »

====Epilogatio praecedentium.====

In his, ut dixi, longe aliter accipitur totum, sive compositum quam supra. Ibi enim dicitur Christum esse totum, et constare et compositum esse, sicut ex partibus, et hoc secundum humanitatem solam; hic vero non sicut ex partibus, sed sicut ex naturis, quod non significat hic alicujus rei integralem constitutionem, sicut frequentius, sed diversarum naturarum personalem solummodo unionem. Quod Augustinus dedit intelligere in illa auctoritate: « Christi persona constat et conficitur ex Deo et homine. » Mox enim subjecit: « Cum ipse Christus verus sit Deus et verus homo, » ac si diceret, hoc ideo dicimus, quia una persona Christi est duarum naturarum. Nunc quia illi, adversus quos nobis est sermo, impium putant et haereticum, quicunque qualibet ratione dixerit Christum factum esse vel creatum, vel creaturam aliquam; super his sanctorum patienter audiant testimonia, omni exceptione et contradictione majora.

===CAP. XVI.&lt;br&gt;===
Auctoritates ad idem.

Apostolus: Qui factus est ei ex semine David. Item: Factum ex muliere. Item: Inducite novum hominem qui secundum Deum creatus est, quod Haimo de Christo exponit. Item Haimo: « Non de Verbo loquitur Apostolus, sed de homine qui non erat antequam esset factus. » Leo in sermone illo Exsultemus in Domino: « Nativitatem, inquit, pueri in salutem humani generis procreati. » Augustinus contra Maximianum: « Deus Domini nostri Jesu Christi Christus secundum hominem de Virgine natus est, ut non solum illi Pater esset qui eum genuit, sed etiam ejus Deus esset quem de ventre matris hominem creavit. » Idem super Joannem: « Quomodo creavit Mariam et creatus est per Mariam; sic dedit baptismum Joanni, et post baptizatus est a Joanne. In eodem magna misericordia Domini nostri Jesu Christi factum eum esse in tempore propter nos, per quem facta sunt tempora, factum esse inter omnia per quem facta sunt omnia, factum eum esse quod fecit; factus est enim homo qui hominem fecerat, ne periret quod fecerat. » Hieronymus super Jeremiam: Creavit Deus novum super terram, Nota, inquit, quod nativitas Salvatoris et conceptio Dei dicitur creatio in libro Sapientiae. Primum omnium creata est, quod sic exponitur: creata secundum humanitatem in consilio Dei Patris, scilicet pro salute humani generis praedestinata est incarnari. » Ubi mox subditur: « Notandum autem quod propter unitatem personae aliquando Christus dicitur genitus, aliquando creatus. » Augustinus De Trinitate: « Est ergo Deus, id est divina essentia vel Trinitas caput Christi secundum quod homo; quia divinitas, utpote creatrix, caput est creaturae assumptae. Hac interpretatione non pietas Filii minuitur, sed misericordia praedicatur. » Item super haec verba Apostoli: Attendite vobis ne quis seducat vos per philosophiam et inanem fallaciam. Augustinus: « Tradiderunt namque philosophi Deum non posse fieri creaturam, hominem non posse nasci de Virgine, vel mortuum reviviscere. » Leo in alia homilia: « O mira et exquisita propago! O nova et incredita conjunctio! Deus qui est et qui erat creator, fit creatura, qui immensus est capitur, divites constituens pauper efficitur, in corpore vestitur. » Item Augustinus in libro De Trinitate: « Factum quippe creaturam per quem omnis creatura facta est, omnem creaturam testem habere oportebat. » Item De Trinitate: « Pertinebat ad justitiam bonitatemque Creatoris, ut per eamdem creaturam rationalem superaretur diabolus, quam se superasse gaudebat, et de ipso genere venientem, quod genus origine vitiata per iram tenebat universum. » Idem: In ipso habitat omnis plenitudo divinitatis corporaliter, « omnis, id est omni modo habitandi, ut etiam personaliter sit unita, quod non est in alia creatura. » Idem: « Pater major me est. Non carni suae solum, sed etiam menti quam gerebat humanae Deum Patrem praeferebat; quae tota sine dubio agnoscitur forma servi, quoniam servit tota creatura Creatori. » Idem in libro De Trinitate: Qui in me credit, non in me credit. « Quomodo in ipsum? quomodo non in ipsum? quomodo tantum contrarium sibique adversum potest intelligi? Qui in me credit, non in hoc quod videt credit, ne sit spes nostra in creatura; sed in illo qui suscepit creaturam, in qua humanis oculis appareret. » Hieronymus super Marcum: « Mansit super eum Spiritus, hoc est unctio Christi secundum carnem, de qua dicitur: Unxit te Deus, Deus tuus, oleo laetitiae, etc., oleum non potest esse sub aqua, nec creator sub creatura. » Ecce comparat hic Hieronymus spiritum oleo, hominem Christum aquae; unde vult ostendere convenienter dictum, mansit super eum Spiritus, non sub ea; quia sicut non potest oleum esse sub aqua, ita nec Spiritus creator sub Christo creatura. Item Augustinus in Sermone De physicis: « Non te offendat quod ait factum, cum confiteamur natum; factum enim non confitemur nisi hominem. Deus autem semper faciens est. Fieri nescit, ut sit, sed fit, ut aliquid alicui, sicut dicitur: Domine, refugium factus es nobis. Quando factus est, qui nunquam factus est? Dominus autem Jesus Christus factus est, ut esset homo; ut qui creator semper erat, creatura esset; manens Deus, factus est homo, ut fieret quod non erat, ut non periret quod erat. Factum ergo dicit propter susceptionem creaturae. » Idem super Joannem: « Cum tradiderit regnum Deo et Patri, Deo creatori suo in quantum est homo, et Patri suo in quantum est Deus. » Item Isaias: Rorate, coeli, desuper, etc., usque Ego Dominus creavi eum. Item Augustinus: Unxit te Deus, Deus tuus ; « ex Graeco patet et ita intelligendum. O Deus, Deus tuus, id est creator tuus. » Idem: « Et pro eis sanctifico meipsum, id est ego me hominem sanctifico, in me Verbo quod est ab initio creationis suae, quando Verbum caro factum est. »

===CAP. XVII.&lt;br&gt;===
Auctoritates quae videntur esse contrariae.

Hae omnes auctoritates manifeste declarant quod Christus sit factus, sive creatus, sive creatura; licet aliqua Scripturarum testimonia, si facie tenus inspecta, contrarietatem quamdam praetendant. Augustinus: « Non est creatura per quem facta est omnis creatura. » Item: « In principio erat Verbum, non in principio fecit Verbum quomodo coelum et terram. Ecce quia non est creatura. » Item in primo libro De Trinitate: Omnia per ipsum facta sunt. » Liquido apparet ipsum factum non esse per quem facta sunt omnia; et, si factus non est, creatura non est, » etc. Idem: « Non assumes nomen Dei tui in vanum. Nomen ejus non debet in vanum accipi, ut putemus eum factum, per quem omnia facta sunt. » Item, Ambrosius in primo libro De Trinitate: « Probemus, inquit, creatum esse Dei Filium. Ubi sunt qui creaturam Christum appellant? Nam si creatus esset, subditus esset vanitati. Non ergo Christus creatura est, quia, attestante Apostolo, omnis creatura subjecta est vanitati. » Item Anastasius [l. Athanasius]: « Non factus, non creatus, sed genitus. Hanc autem contrarietatem quae videtur, facile est solvere secundum regulam illam Augustini in libro De Trinitate. Quapropter, inquit, cognita ista regula intelligendarum Scripturarum de Filio Dei, ut intelligamus quid in eis sonet secundum formam Dei, in qua aequalis est Patri, et quid secundum formam servi quam accepit, in qua minor est Patre. » Non conturbamur tanquam contrariis ac repugnantibus inter se sanctorum librorum sententiis. Nam secundum formam Dei aequalis est Patri et Filius et Spiritus sanctus, quia neuter eorum est creatura; secundum autem formam servi minor est Patre; quia ipse dixit Pater major me est. Minor est seipso, quia seipsum exinanivit; minor Spiritu sancto, quia ipse dixit: In Spiritu Dei ejicio daemonia. Et iterum: Spiritus Domini, inquit, super me. Secundum formam Dei omnia per ipsum facta sunt, secundum formam servi ipse factus est ex muliere factus sub lege, etc. Hanc itaque, . . . tanquam utilem regulam sequentes dicimus quia omnes auctoritates, quibus affirmatur Christum creatum sive creaturam esse, ad humanitatem ejus referendae sunt; quibuscunque vero hujusmodi aliquid negatur, ad divinitatem ipsius referri non dubitetur. Unde ipse Augustinus in eodem: « Quid vero de ipso propter quid, et quid secundum quid dicatur, adjuvante Domino, prudens et diligens et pius lector intelligat. » Hinc etiam Gregorius Surrexit, non est hic : « Non est hic, inquit, per praesentiam carnis, qui tamen nusquam deest per praesentiam majestatis. Ecce et ibi erat secundum divinitatem, et ibi non erat secundum humanitatem. »

Si quis ergo hanc regulam diligenter inspiciat, videbit in talibus nullam esse contrarietatem sive contradictionem. Maxime autem et auctoritates et rationes quibus probant sancti auctores sive doctores, Christum sive Dei Filium non esse creaturam contra Arianos facerent, qui dicunt Christum Filium Dei esse adoptivum, non genitum, sed factum et creatum. Magister Hugo de S. Victore istam reddit rationem quare Christus non sit creatura: « Hoc est, inquit, creaturam esse aliquid de nihilo esse, hoc est esse aliquid ex nihilo fuisse; non autem omnis qui aliquid incipit esse non incipit, quia incipit esse aliquid. Sicut qui aliquid esse desinit, non ideo desinit, quia aliquid esse desinit. Non ita aliquid esse desinit ut nihil sit, sed solum ut id quod esse desinit, jam non sit. Sicut non semper, qui aliquid esse incipit, quasi esse incipiat, ut aliquid sit, sed ut aliquid quod prius non fuit esse incipiat ut jam sit. Ita Christus quando esse incoepit, nec tamen aliquid ita esse incoepit quasi prius aliquid non fuisset; quia priusquam hoc fuit quod aliquando esse incoepit, fuit aliquid quod semper fuit, et nunquam coepit. » Et circa finem capituli subdit: « Paulus, inquit Ambrosius in libro De Trinitate, prohibet me creaturae servire, et Christo admonet serviendum. Non enim Christus fuit creatura. » Et post pauca: « Vide ergo quomodo Christum et factum et creatum, secundum aliquid affirmat, quem tamen creaturam esse negat. » In hoc capitulo venerabilis ille magister testatur quod Christus in tempore esse coepit aliquid quod prius non fuit, et quod Christus sit factus et creatus. Aliam autem ab ea quam praemisimus assignat rationem, quare Christus non sit dicendus creatura. Sed quia idem ipse Ambrosius cujus auctoritate nititur, sicut supra in proximo ostensum est, alibi asserit Christum creatum esse, et Augustinus et alii quilibet sancti doctores in hac assertione conveniunt; prior illa solutio secundum Regulam Augustini praeferenda videtur.

Sed adhuc objicitur: Si Christus est aliquid creatum, ergo est aliquid posterius et minus Patre; quod est contra illud: « In Trinitate nihil prius aut posterius, nihil majus aut minus. » Item, si Christus est aliquid creatum, est aliquid differens a Patre; in Trinitate autem nulla est differentia, nulla diversitas, sed convenientia et prima unitas. Similiter, Christus est alicujus naturae creatae; ergo est posterioris et minoris naturae quam Pater. Item, est alicujus naturae creatae; ergo est alterius naturae quam Pater. Vel sic: Natura Filii est creata, quod non Patris, ergo natura Filii est differens a natura Patris. Haec omnia ergo et hujusmodi facile solvuntur secundum praedictam regulam Augustini: Quia enim Christus geminae naturae est, refert quid de Deo et secundum quid dicatur. Item Ambrosius: Si Christus fuit aliquid personaliter unitum, mortuo Christo illud fuit, aut non. Si Christo mortuo fuit, cum illud non esset nisi quoddam totum anima et carne compositum, illud totum sive compositum tunc fuit. Quod si illud unicum tunc non fuit per fruitionem Dei et personalem unionem, quam habuerat, amisit. Haec autem bona sine peccato mereri non potuit; ergo aut illud unitum peccavit, aut Deus injuste tali et tanto bono ipsum privavit. Possem hic dicere quod illud totum mirabiliter fuit in partibus separatis, sicut etiam localiter separatis, singulis hominibus, nihilominus est unus populus; et disgregatis singulis capitibus, nihilominus est unus grex; sicut et panis incisus non perit, sed in partibus suis existit; vino etiam in diversis vasis transfuso, in diversa manet illud vinum quod prius. Quid autem mirum si Christus divulsis partibus hominis, totus homo erat, quandoquidem et mortuus vivebat, et in morte, sicut ante, perfectus Deus et perfectus homo erat. Verisimilius est tamen quod secundum integritatem et totalitatem suam ad tempus esse desiit, sed in meliori statu tertia die resurrexit. Et hoc eadem justitia qua secundum bona merita nihilominus sancti, resolutis corporum et animarum vinculis, per multa etiam temporum curricula a gloria resurrectionis differuntur, quod autem totum aliquod ad tempus esse desierit, videtur Anastasius de Christo sensisse: Qui, ait, maledictus qui totum hominem quem assumpsit Dei Filius denuo assumptum quod in morte fuit depositus, vel assumptum ideo dicit in resurrectione; tunc enim quem assumpserat in personam, assumpsit in gloriam; unde est illud pro assumptione matutina, id est pro resurrectione mane facta. Legitur etiam super illud in Evangelio Joannis Ego pono animam, etc. illud Augustini: « Verbum ex quo suscepit hominem, id est carnem et animam, nunquam deposuit animam, ut esset anima a Verbo separata, sed caro animam posuit quando exspiravit, qua redeunte, surrexit. Mors itaque ad tempus carnem et animam separavit, sed neutrum a Verbo Dei. » Ideo forte cum dixisset « suscepit hominem, » ita exposuit, id est carnem et animam, sed separavit neutrum a Verbo Dei. Ideo forte cum dixisset « suscepit hominem, » statim subjecit, id est carnem et animam, ne hoc quod sequitur, scilicet nunquam deposuit, de composito ex carne et anima intelligeretur, quod in triduo illo non fuit, nisi tropice dicatur fuisse in partibus, quia partes ejus etsi ab invicem separatae, in terra tamen fuerunt. Quid autem in talibus proprie, quid etiam tropice dici possit aut debeat, prudens et diligens lector intelligat. Potest etiam simplicius intelligi: Suscepit hominem, id est carnem et animam, ut hac expositione diversae haereses percellantur. Quidam enim dixerunt Deum tantum humanam animam accepisse, alii vero tantum humanam carnem, sed procul dubio, qui totum hominem fecit, ut totum reficeret, totum suscepit. Ideo cum dixisset Verbum suscepit hominem, ne quis nomine hominis audito, partem tantum hominis acciperet, addit: id est carnem et animam, non carnem sine anima, nec animam sine carne; quia sicut ait Augustinus: « Factus est pro nobis verus homo et plenus, in eo verus, quia veram habet humanam naturam; in eo vero plenus, quia carnem humanam suscepit et rationalem animam. » Relinquitur ergo firmum illud etiam indissolubile Christum ex tempore factum et creatum esse, unde et legitur quod Christus sive homo ille non semper fuerit.

===CAP. XVIII.&lt;br&gt;===
Auctoritates quibus probatur quod Christus non fuit semper.

Super illum psalmum Exaudiat te Deus » legitur auctoritas illa: « Dum ait laetabimur, magnificabimur, ostendit Propheta se unum de Ecclesia tanto tempore ante Christum. » Item Augustinus et alii sancti doctores unanimiter docent quod quaedam membra caput, id est Christum praecesserunt, quaedam secuta sunt, juxta illud: Et qui praeibant et qui sequebantur clamabant: Hosanna filio David. Si antiqui justi tempore Christum praecesserunt, ante Christum fuerunt. » Item Augustinus super Joannem: habuit aliquando Dei Filius . . . humanae. « Idem ipse hominis filius nondum erat homo, non semper fuit hominis filius, et postea coepit habere quod habuit Dei Filius, sed ex quo fuit, totum habuit quod Dei Filius, non semper habuit hominis filius quod fuit Dei Filius. » Idem: « Sic nos electi quomodo ille clarificatus, quia priusquam mundus esset nec nos eramus, nec ipse mediator Dei et hominum homo Christus Jesus. » Item Haimo: « Pater et Filius et Spiritus sanctus unus est Deus et Rex omnium saeculorum, scilicet praeteritorum, praesentium et futurorum. Homo vero assumptus a Verbo ex eo tempore rex est futurorum ex quo assumptus est a Verbo. Nam praeteritorum saeculorum non fuit rex homo ille quando erat. » Item Augustinus: « Christus naturaliter etsi forte homo est, recens est, tamen est aeternus Deus, si est homo recens, est homo qui non semper fuit. » Item Augustinus: « Ex quo homo esse coepit, ex illo est Deus. » Idem: « Creavit Virginem creandus ex Virgine. Si creavit, erat, si creandus, nondum erat. » Idem: « Ita ab initio fidei suae homo quicunque gratia fit Christianus, sicut gratia homo ille ab initio factus est Christus. Homo ille non ab initio temporis, non ab initio mundi, sed ab initio suo, hominis scilicet, factus est Christus. » Ergo homo ille habuit initium terrae, quare homo ille non semper fuit.

===CAP. XIX.&lt;br&gt;===
Auctoritates quae videntur contrariae.

Augustinus super Joannem: « Quomodo de mundo per quem factus est mundus, Deus de mundo post mundum facti sunt quia prius mundus, et sic homo de mundo, prius autem Christus, deinde mundus, quoniam ante mundum Christus, ante Christum nihil, quia in principio erat Verbum. » Item Isidorus: « Pauliani a Paulo Samosateno exorti sunt, qui dicunt non semper fuisse Christum, si a Maria sumpsisset exordium. » Alibi etiam legitur: « Puer ille creavit stellas. » Et ipse Christus: Ego principium qui loquor vobis.

====Solutiones.====

Harum contrarietatum similis est solutio ac praecedentium secundum regulam S. Augustini, ut auctoritates quae dicunt Christum sive hominem illum non semper fuisse, ad personam illam secundum humanitatem referantur; illae vero quae dicunt semper fuisse de eadem persona secundum divinitatem accipiantur. Potestque dici quod aliquando hoc nomen Christus sive per hunc sermonem homo ille significatur persona, aliquando substantia sive natura ipsius personae. Quando ergo dicitur Christus sive homo ille non semper fuit, substantia illa sive natura supponitur, quando vero dicitur Christus sive homo ille semper fuit, non natura humana vel divina sed persona subditur. Ad explanationem etiam horum verborum Deus est homo et homo est Deus, Deus est Deus et homo, homo est homo et Deus, Deus factus est homo, et homo factus est Deus, hujusmodi consideratio non erit inutilis, utrumque enim illorum nominum Deus et homo aliquando personam, aliquando naturam sive substantiam significat. Cum ergo dicitur Deus est homo, hoc dicitur quod persona divina est substantia humana, e converso cum dicitur homo est Deus, hoc dicitur quia substantia humana est persona divina. Cum vero dicitur Deus est Deus et homo, uni personae duae naturae attribuuntur. Similiter cum dicitur homo est homo et Deus, eidem personae eaedem duae naturae attribuuntur. Item, cum dicitur Deus factus est homo, hoc dicitur quod persona divina facta est substantia humana. Cum vero dicitur homo factus est Deus, hoc dicitur quod substantia humana facta sit persona divina. Non tamen nego frequenter his locutionibus unionem sive habitum, sive assumptionem figurate significari. Nunc vero sequestrata paulisper hujusmodi figura, proprios liceat distinguere intellectus; quando enim factus est homo aut substantia sive natura divina facta est substantia sive humana natura, aut persona divina facta est persona quae ipsa prius non fuerat, aut natura sive substantia divina facta est persona humana quae non semper fuerat, aut persona divina facta est natura sive substantia humana. Similiter quando homo factus est Deus, aut quaedam persona humana facta est persona divina, aut natura sive substantia humana facta est substantia divina, aut natura sive substantia humana facta est persona divina. Cum ergo impossibile sit utramque istarum naturarum sive alteram factam esse aliam, hoc enim fieri non posset, sine conversione vel confusione substantiae, quod esset contra illud Athanasii: « Unus autem non conversione divinitatis in carnem, sed assumptione humanitatis in Deo, unus omnino non confusione substantiae, sed unitate personae. » Cum etiam impossibile sit personam divinam et personam humanam vel alteram earum esse aliam, hoc enim nullatenus fieri posset, nisi permistione quadam utraque in alteram transiret, et altera pars esse desineret. Cum etiam haec impossibilia sint quod natura divina in Christo facta sit aliqua persona, et quod illa persona facta sit natura divina, hoc autem fieri non posset quin Christus unus et alius esset contra illud Athanasii: Cum sit Deus et homo, non duo tamen, sed unus est Christus. Cum haec, inquam, omnia impossibilia sint, haec duo verae et catholicae fidei relinquuntur, quod persona divina facta est natura humana, sive substantia humana facta est persona divina, et sic una persona est duae substantiae, et duae substantiae sunt una persona; alioquin nec Deus factus est homo et homo Deus, nec unus Christus est Deus et homo; quod vero in hac disputatione naturam et substantiam indifferenter accipimus, quemquam movere non debet. Boetius enim contra Eutychen et Nestorium naturam quadrupliciter describit. Prima descriptio sic assignatur: Natura est earum rerum, quae cum sint, quoquo modo intellectu capi possunt, hanc ait omnes res includere quae sunt. Secunda sic: Natura est vel quod facere vel quod pati possit. Habes, inquit, diffinitionem ejus significationis naturae qua tantum substantiis copulatur. Qua in re substantiae quoque reddita est diffinitio. Nam si nomen naturae substantiam monstrat, cum naturam descripsimus, substantiae quoque est assignata. Descriptio tertia proponitur hoc modo: Natura est motus principium secundum se, non per accidens. Hic vero, ut ipse ait, naturae nomen relictis incorporeis substantiis ad corporales usque contrahitur, ut corporeae tantum substantiae naturam habere videantur. Quarta etiam subditur: Natura est unamquamque rem informans specifica differentia. Cum tot modis dicatur et diffiniatur natura, tam Catholici quam Nestorius secundum ultimam diffinitionem duas in Christo naturas esse constituerunt. Neque enim easdem dicunt in Deum atque in hominem differentias convenire. Ecce, teste Boetio, aliquando nomine naturae intelligitur substantia. Augustinus super illum locum psalmi: Infixus sum in limo profundi et non est substantia. Substantia intelligitur id quod sumus a Deo: naturae ipsae substantiae dicuntur, ut homo, pecus, terra, coelum, et hujusmodi omnia; unde et in libro De Trinitate formam, id est naturam humanam, dicit esse personam Filii: « Forma, inquit, illa suscepti hominis Filii persona est, non etiam Patris. » Quapropter Pater invisibilis una cum Filio secum invisibili, eumdem Filium visibilem faciendo, eum misisse dictus est. Ecce formam sine dubio ita accepit, ac si diceret naturam; unde idem in libro De fide ad Petrum: « Cum de Christo audis quia in forma Dei erat, oportet te agnoscere firmissimeque tenere in illo formae nomine naturalem plenitudinem debere intelligi. In forma igitur Dei erat, de quo natus erat. » Idem, non aliud fuit illa Dei summi exinanitio, nisi formae servilis, id est naturae humanae susceptio. Utraque ergo in Christo est forma, quia utraque natura et plena est in Christo substantia divina et humana. Et hic pro eodem accepit formam et naturam sive substantiam. Hilarius quoque in libro De Trinitate ait: « Vere in forma non alia intelligentia est quam in Dei munere natura. Quod autem Christus sit divina natura, nemo catholicus negat. » Quod autem sit natura humana, praemissis et aliis auctoritatibus multis comprobatur; quare Christus est duae naturae, quia est duae substantiae; et est duarum naturarum, quia duas habet, secundum Boetium, specificas sive substantiales differentias, divinitatem et humanitatem; et quae secundum naturam semper a se invicem longe differunt, et contra naturam in unitatem personae inseparabiliter conveniunt. Utrum autem proprie vel improprie Boetius specificas differentias dixerit supra diximus. Illud etiam quod ait Boetius, neque easdem in Deum et hominem differentias convenire, si utroque nomine Dei scilicet et hominis persona significetur, stare non potest. Omnia enim quae conveniunt Christo, conveniunt personae Dei et hominis. Una enim et eadem est persona Dei et hominis, quae a seipsa non differt; sed his nominibus duae substantiae hic significantur, quibus eaedem differentiae non conveniunt. Alii vero, sicut jam diximus, et iterare non piget, utrumque nomen personam non naturam significat, ut cum dicitur Deus passus est et similia, nihil de divinitate dicitur, sed de divina persona. Et cum dicitur, homo seipsum suscitavit et similia, nihil humanitati attribuitur, sed personae hominis, scilicet Christi, quae non est alia persona quam Dei; una est enim persona Dei et hominis, licet una et alia natura. Si qui mirantur quod duplicem hujusmodi significationem in his nominibus habere contendimus, quid in his dicent: Deus genuit, Deus genitus est, Deus procedit, sive processit? Nonne in singulis de persona servi est? Nonne de substantia? Sed tamen hae tres proprietates his tribus verbis personis tantum attribuuntur, ut quidam ex illa auctoritate Joannis Damasceni conjiciunt: Non differunt ab invicem hypostases secundum characteristica idiomata, id est determinativas proprietates. Characteristica vero, id est determinativa sunt, id est hypostases determinant. Hic tamen non dicitur quia hae proprietates divinae naturae non conveniant, sed hoc potius quod non naturam a seipsa, sed personas ab invicem distinguant; hanc autem quaestionem utrum una substantia sive natura genuit et genita sit et procedat, perplexam non credit quisquis existimat quod non unus et idem Deus genuit et genitus est et procedit; vel qui e contrario sentit quod una res et eadem et gignens est in Patre, et genita in Filio, et procedens in Spiritu sancto. Sed de his alias disputabitur, nunc ad propositum revertamur. Quid etiam de eis dicent, Deus est unus, Deus est trinus, Deus est Trinitas, Deus est Pater et Filius et Spiritus sanctus? Nonne de substantia sermo est? Nonne de personis sive persona? Audiant etiam unde magis mirari possunt. Augustinus in Expositione symboli ait: « Si quis dixerit atque crediderit hominem Jesum Christum a Filio Dei assumptum non fuisse, anathema sit. » Hic sine dubio homo Jesus Christus non pro persona accipitur, sed pro substantia. Alibi vero personam potius significat, ut cum dicitur homo Jesus aequalis est Deo et coaeternus Patri, et creavit omnia, et similia. Haec de persona quam assumpsit, non de natura vel substantia quae assumpta est intelligenda fore nemini sapientum ambigere licet.

====Opiniones haereticorum.====

Non timent condiscipuli mei, sed timeo ego ne anathema istud involvat: « Si quis dixerit atque crediderit, » etc., quia non dicunt nec credunt aliquem hominem a Filio Dei assumptum fuisse. Hanc vero distinctionem geminae significationis sive acceptionis utriusque horum nominum Deus et homo, haereticos omnes aut omnino latuisse aut in erroris sui periculo subterfugisse non dubito, qui vel duas personas vel unam solam substantiam sive naturam Christum esse dogmatizaverunt; ut Nestorius, qui Christum confitens Deum esse et hominem, his duobus nominibus duas in Christo personas intelligendas esse putavit. Eutyches vero Deum factum hominem confitens, in una persona manere duas naturas non credidit, id falso arbitratus, quod si in Christo essent duae rationales naturae, duae necessario essent personae; quorum miseram stultitiam, stultum et miserum est tot greges scholarium, his temporibus, in hac tanta luce et gloria Christianae fidei, sive magistrorum amore, sive qualibet alia causa blandiente, pertinaciter imitari. Me vero non metuo vel ingratitudinis vel levitatis damnari, si quae junior accepi vel tradidi, nunc tamen senior et sanior graviori et saniori judicio immutaverim. Non est hoc culpa levitatis, nisi leves judicandi sunt omnes peccatores qui vel sero poenitent; non ingratitudinis, nisi haec gratia debeatur magistris, ut eorum sequamur errores; cum unus sit magister noster qui in coelis est, contra quem quidquam sentire vel cuiquam consentire non licet.

===CAP. XX.&lt;br&gt;===
Conclusio ex praemissis quae in exordio proposita sunt.

Quoniam itaque quae in exordio proposuimus, prout capiebant brevitas operis et parvitas opificis, auctoritatibus et rationibus roborata sunt, sanctos Patres et institutos fidei sequens audeo dicere, credere et confiteri quod Christus est aliquis homo et utique sanctissimus et beatissimus hominum; et quod Christus secundum humanitatem est aliquid, et utique verus homo, animalis verum corpus, natura, substantia, unum totum. Et quod ipse secundum alteram naturam increatus et creator; secundum alteram et creatus et creatura. Non tantum dico simpliciter Filius Dei est creatura, vel etiam Christus est creatura, sed hoc addito secundum humanitatem, sicut ait Apostolus: Qui factus est ex semine David secundum carnem, unde Augustinus: « Hoc dicit Apostolus ne putetur homo tantum. Dicendo namque eum factum secundum carnem, innuit esse alteram naturam secundum quam est infactus, scilicet divinam. » Ubi occurritur impietati haereticorum, qui obtuso corde hoc capitulum intelligentes, Christum tantum hominem esse accipiunt, divinitatem vero in eo non intelligunt. Addendo enim secundum carnem, servando divinitati suam dignitatem, qua Christus Verbum Dei Patris est, per quod facta sunt omnia; non enim est factus secundum id quod Verbum Dei est. Ideoque Apostolus cum factum diceret Christum, addidit secundum carnem, ut secundum Verbum quod est Filius Dei non factum a Deo, sed natum esse monstraret.

====Cum de Christo agitur, distinguendum est quid de eo et secundum quid dicatur.====

Quoties autem verba sanctorum vel ipsius Domini hujusmodi determinationes non habent, ut est illud: Pater major me est. Spiritus Domini super me. Ab initio et ante saecula creata sum. Ego Deus creavi eum. Minuisti eum paulo minus ab angelis, et similia; tunc recurrendum est ad praemissam Augustini auctoritatem, qua monemur distinguere cum de Christo agitur, quid de eo et secundum quid dicatur. Ut ergo sicut a principio, ita et in fine hujus Eulogii quod de pauperie mea gratiae vestrae destinavi, licet sim novissimus in Ecclesia, totius Ecclesiae principem sed Patrem, judicem sed pastorem alloquor. Hoc est desiderium meum, haec est petitio mea, ut, sicut Romani pontificatus apicem decet, generali decreto et in perpetuum valituro sublimitas vestra praecipiat omnes nos in unum de homine assumpto certa sapere. Et hoc amplius de assumptione hominis quam de assumptione vestis sentire: quod Deus qui assumpsit, est homo qui assumptus est, sicut Deus qui creavit est homo qui creatus est, Deus qui suscitavit est homo qui suscitatus est, et clarificavit et clarificatus est. Eadem etiam auctoritate vestra, quam nulli hominum contemnere licet, omnes inviolabilis praecepti necessitatem sive spontanei, sive inviti suscipiamus, ut simul et similiter confiteamur et contra Eutychem unam personam Christi duas esse substantias, et contra Nestorium duas substantias unam personam, et contra Appellem et Manichaeum Deum non in fantasia hominem apparuisse, sed vere et essentialiter hominem exstitisse, et contra Appollinarem non solum corpus, sed corpus et animam simul assumpsisse, in quibus et ex quibus perfectus homo dignoscitur, et contra Aligios Christum non modo hominem esse, sed hominem qui ex tempore coepit, et Verbum quod erat in principio, et contra Paulinos Christum Dei Filium semper fuisse, non a Maria sumpsisse initium, quia idem ipse et secundum divinitatem creator fuit ante creandam Virginem. Haec et his consentanea quaelibet catholica sunt; et nisi credantur in Ecclesia, non moneri tantum, sed juberi etiam possunt. Credere namque necesse est quae nisi quisque fideliter firmiterque crediderit, salvus esse non poterit.

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'''[[Patrologia Latina/199|Migne ''Patrologia Latina'' Tomus 199]]'''

== Eulogium ad Alexandrum III Papam quod Christus sit aliquis homo ==

In Turonensi concilio quod dudum, convocatis plerisque omnibus tam Anglicanae quam Gallicanae praelatis Ecclesiae, auctoritate vestra celebratum est et praesentia illustratum, dogma quorumdam asserentium quod Christus non est aliquis homo, et quod Christus secundum quod homo non est quid, disputando ventilari coepit. Utra vero pars disputantium in pugna verborum praevaluerit, nescio, sed tam iniquam et fidei Christianae inimicam falsitatem in tali ac tanto Christi auditorio nullis, credo, fuisse veritatis aut victoriae titulis insignitam. Noluit tamen tam dives et copiosa mansuetudinis vestrae clementia assertionem illam statim canonica ferire censura, ne ejus auctores et defensores, qui forte non pertinacia, sed ignorantia deliquerant, vel ipsa condemnatio pravitatis tantum involveret, vel perpetuam eis infamiae notam impingeret. Ex eadem vero mansuetudine vestra multo postmodum temporis sustentationis elapso, etiam quadam epistola decretali, quae super arrogationem pravae illius doctrinae ad venerabilem Guillelmum tunc Senonensem hodie Remensem archiepiscopum legitur directa, nequaquam exprimitur anathemate perculsos vel etiam percellendos esse, qui errorem illum tenere seu docere praesumerent. Quoniam itaque infiniti scholares hoc calice debriati et in furorem versi usque in hodiernum diem patientia vestra contumaciter abutuntur, qui nequaquam misericordiae vestrae piam dispensationem laudant, sed impium dogma velut catholicum praedicant; fiat tandem illud Prosperi quod in decretis legitur: In eis, inquit, qui diu portati et salubriter objurgati corrigi noluerint, tanquam putridae corporis partes debent ferro excommunicationis abscidi, ne sicut caro morbis emortua, sed si abscissa non fuerit, salutem reliquae carnis putredinis suae contagione corrumpit; ita isti qui emendari contemnunt, et in suo morbo persistunt, alios exemplo suae perditionis inficiant. Unde et Calixtus papa: Justum est, ut qui divina contemnunt mandata, et inobedientes paternis existunt jussionibus, saevioribus corrigantur vindictis. Quatenus caeteri committere talia caveant, et omnes gaudeant fraterna concordia, et cuncti sumant severitatis ac bonitatis exemplum. Item Pelagius papa: Apostolicae auctoritatis exemplo dicimus errantium et in errorem mittentium spiritus tradendos esse Satanae, ut dediscant blasphemare. Item Hieronymus: Secandae sunt putridae carnes, et scabiosa a caulis ovis repellenda, ne tota domus massa, corpus et pecora ardeant, corrumpantur, putrescant, intereant.
Confessionis auctoris cum captatione benevola.

Hic est nimirum ecclesiasticae rigor pietatis, quo percutit ut sanet, destruit ut aedificet, evellit ut plantet. Ne deserat, quaeso, pastor agnos, pater filios; et si contradicentium error corrigi non potest, vel sanae fidei professionem in me et similibus indefessam perire non sinat. Quod, si ego cum sim cinis et pulvis recte sentio, auctoritas vestra roboret infirmitatem meam, sicubi erro, ad se revocet simplitatem meam. Credo enim Christum esse aliquem hominem, et ipsum esse aliquid secundum humanitatem, et quod secundum divinitatem incorporea substantia est, secundum humanitatem corpoream esse substantiam; et secundum alteram naturam rem simplicem, secundum alteram vero rem compositam. Credo etiam quod ipse idem qui secundum deitatem increatus et infectus est, secundum humanitatem et creatus est, et factus est; et qui secundum alteram naturam creator est, secundum alteram creatura est. Haec autem evidentissimis sanctorum testimoniis munita esse sequentia declarabunt. Sed ante haec omnia, quatenus singula repertu faciliora sint, praenotanda sunt ex more capitula. Mox etiam ut quae dicturi sumus lucidiora fiant, et firmius consistant, tres illas sententias, quas magister Petrus Lombardus scriptas reliquit, breviter proponendas arbitramur. Sic enim fiet ut quia omnia contraria juxta se posita magis apparent, ex collatione secundae et tertiae, veritas primae fortius vigeat et amplius enitescat.

===CAPITULA TOTIUS LIBELLI.&lt;br&gt;===
CAP. I. Tres sententiae de homine assumpto cum explanationibus suis.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. II. Auctoritates sanctorum, quibus secunda et tertia roborari videntur.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. III. Auctoritates magistrorum pro illis duabus sententiis.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. IV. Auctoritates magistrorum contra illas duas sententias.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. V. Auctoritates sanctorum, quibus probatur quod Christus est aliquis homo.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. VI. Rationes quibus idem probatur.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. VII. Auctoritates quibus probatur quod Christus secundum quod homo est aliquid.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. VIII. Rationes quibus probatur quod Christus essentialiter et substantialiter est homo.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. IX. Quae contra objici possunt dissolvuntur, Joannis Damasceni involucrum enodatur.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. X. Auctoritates quibus probatur quod Christus est aliud et aliud.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. XI. Auctoritates quae videntur esse contrariae.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. XII. Auctoritates quibus probatur quod Christus est animal et corpus.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. XIII. Auctoritates quod Christus est aliquid totum sive compositum.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. XIV. Rationes quibus id probatur.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. XV. Auctoritates quod Christus dicitur totum.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. XVI. Auctoritates quibus probatur quod Christus est factus et creatus et creatura.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. XVII. Auctoritates quae videntur esse contrariae et solutiones non inutiles, ubi inter alia quaeritur de illo toto utrum fuerit in triduo sepulturae, vel non fuerit.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. XVIII. Auctoritates quibus probatur quod Christus non semper fuit.&lt;br&gt;
CAP. XIX. Auctoritates quae videntur contrariae et competentes contrarietatis solutiones et repetitio praecedentium ad multa utilis. &lt;br&gt;
CAP. XX. Conclusio ex praemissis, inferens quae in exordio proposita sunt.&lt;br&gt;

===CAP. I.&lt;br&gt;===
Tres sententiae de homine assumpto cum explanationibus horum verborum: Deus est homo, et homo est Deus, Deus factus est homo, et homo factus est Deus.

====Prima explanatio.====

Prima est illorum qui dicunt in ipsa Verbi incarnatione hominem quemdam ex anima rationali et humana carne constitutum, ex quibus duobus omnis verus homo constituitur; et ille homo coepit esse Deus, non quidem natura Dei, sed persona Verbi, et Deus coepit esse homo ille. Concedunt etiam hominem illum assumptum esse a Verbo et tantum esse Verbum. Et ea ratione tradunt dictum esse, Deum factum esse hominem vel esse hominem, quia Deus factus est vel coepit esse Deus, non tamen ex migratione naturae in naturam, sed utriusque naturae servata proprietate factum est, ut Deus esset illa substantia, et illa substantia esset Deus, unde vere dicitur: Deus factus est homo, et homo factus est Deus, et Filius Dei Filius hominis, et e converso.

====Secunda explanatio.====

Secunda vero illorum est, qui dicunt hominem illum non ex anima rationali et carne tantum, sed ex humana et divina natura, vel ex tribus substantiis, divinitate, carne et anima constare. Hinc Christum fatentur et unam tantummodo personam ante incarnationem, verum non solummodo simplicem, sed per incarnationem factam compositam ex divinitate et humanitate; nec est ideo alia persona quam prius, sed cum prius esset Dei tantum persona, in incarnatione facta est hominis persona, ut non duae essent personae, sed in una persona esset Dei et hominis. Persona ergo quae prius erat simplex et in una tantum natura existens, in duabus et ex duabus subsistit naturis, quia coepit esse quaedam substantia ex anima rationali et humana carne subsistens, et illa substantia facta est persona quae tantum Deus erat. Facta est et verus homo subsistens non tantum ex anima et corpore, sed ex divinitate etiam. Nec tamen persona illa debet dici facta persona hominis, sicut Verbum factum est, id est coepit esse Verbum humanum, non tamen factum est, vel coepit esse Verbum. Facta est igitur illa persona, ut quibusdam illorum placet, aliquis subsistens ex anima et carne; sed non est facta persona vel substantia, vel natura. Secundum istos cum dicitur Deus factus est homo, intelligitur coepisse esse subsistens ex duabus naturis et tribus substantiis; et e converso homo factus est Deus, quia subsistens in duabus naturis coepit esse Deus, vel post homo factus est Deus, et e converso dicitur; quia Deus assumpsit hominem, et homo assumptus est a Deo: unde Augustinus in libro De Trinitate: Talis fuit illa assumptio, quae hominem facit Deum, et Deum hominem.

====Tertia sententia.====

Tertia vero illorum est sententia, qui in incarnatione Verbi non solum personam ex naturis compositam negant, verum etiam hominem aliquem vel aliquam substantiam ibi ex anima et carne compositam vel factam diffidunt; sed sic illa duo, scilicet animam et carnem Verbi personae et naturae unitam esse aiunt, ut non ex illis duobus vel his tribus aliqua substantia vel persona fieret sive componeretur, sed illis duobus velut indumento illud Verbum Dei vestiretur, ut mortalium oculis congruenter appareret: Qui ideo dicitur factus verus homo, quia veritatem carnis et animae accepit: quae duo etiam in singularitatem vel unitatem suae personae accepisse legitur, non quia illa duo vel aliqua res existens vel composita sit una persona cum Verbo, et sit Verbum, sed quia illis duobus accedentibus Verbo, non est personarum numerus auctus, ut fieret quaternitas in Trinitate, et quia ipsa persona Verbi quae erat prius sine indumento, assumptione indumenti non est divisa vel mutata, sed una et eadem immutata permansit; qui secundum habitum Deum hominem factum dicunt, accipiendo enim hominem, dicitur Deus esse verus homo, et propter assumentem hominem dicitur homo esse Deus. Nam si essentialiter, inquiunt illi, Deus esset homo, vel homo esse Deus intelligeretur; tunc si Deus hominem assumpsisset in sexu muliebri, etiam mulier essentialiter esset Deus, et e converso. At potuit Deus assumpsisse hominem in sexu muliebri, potuit igitur Deus esse mulier et e converso. In hac igitur sententia sic dicitur factus homo, quia accepit hominem; et sic dicitur esse homo, quia hominem habet, vel quia est hominem habens; et homo factus est Deus, quia assumptus est a Deo; et homo est Deus, quia habens hominem est Deus. Cum ergo dicitur Deus est homo, vel habitus praedicatur, vel persona; sed quod humanata et quod persona humanata praedicetur, Cassiodorus ostendere videtur dicens: « Factus est, ut ita dixerim, humanatus Deus, qui etiam in assumptione carnis Deus esse non desistit. »

====Solutio.====

Illa autem istorum ratiocinatio: Nam si essentialiter Deus esse homo vel homo esse Deus intelligeretur, etc., quid habeat falsitatis, quid etiam impietatis sequentia propalabunt. Falsitatem dixi, quia ex veris falsum concludit: impietatem addidi, quia piae fidei obstrepit, dum Christum cui solam hominis vestem donat, vera hominis essentia spoliare laborat. Nota etiam quod haec tertia sententia commune habet cum secunda, quia Christus non est aliqua substantia constans ex carne et anima, et quod Christus, secundum quod homo, non est aliquid. Hoc habet diversum, quod persona Christi non est ex duabus naturis sive tribus substantiis composita; unde primo inducendae sunt auctoritates utrique sententiae communes, ut solutionibus sive rationibus eisdem competenter subsecutis, eadem falsitas utriusque reveletur. De illo vero de quo dissentiunt cum ad illam quaestionem ventum fuerit utrum Christus sit aliquod totum sive compositum suo loco disputabitur.

===CAP. II.&lt;br&gt;===
Auctoritates sanctorum quibus secunda et tertia sententia in eo quod conveniunt roborari videntur.

Augustinus tractans illud verbum Apostoli: Habitu inventus ut homo, in libro LXXXIV Quaestionum, habitus in ea re dicitur, quae nobis ut habeatur accidit. « Verumtamen hoc interest, quia quaedam eorum quae accedunt ut habitum faciant, non mutantur, sed immutant ipsa inter se integra et inconcussa manentia, sicut sapientia accedens homini non ipsa mutatur, sed hominem mutat, quoniam de stulto sapientem facit. Quaedam vero sic accedunt, ut mutent et mutentur, ut cibus qui amittens speciem suam in corpus vertitur, et nos cibo refecti atque ab exilitate atque languore in robur atque valentiam mutamur. Tertium genus est, cum ea quae accedunt nec mutant ea quibus accedunt, nec ab eis ipsa mutantur; sic annulus positus in digito, quod genus rarissime invenitur. Quartum genus est cum ea quae accedunt, non mutantur a sua natura, sed aliam speciem et formam accipiunt, ut est vestis quae dejecta atque deposita, non habet eam formam quam habet vel sumit induta. Induta enim membris accipit formam, quam non habebat exuta: quod genus congruit huic comparationi. Dei enim Filius exinanivit seipsum formam servi accipiens, non suam formam mutans, sed nec conversus aut transmutatus in hominem, amissa stabilitate; sed in similitudinem hominum factus, est ille susceptor, verum hominem suscipiendo, vel habitu inventus est ut homo, id est habendo hominem inventus est ut homo, non sibi, sed eis quibus in homine apparuit. Quod autem dicit ut homo, veritatem exprimit. Nomine ergo habitus satis significavit Apostolus qualiter dixit, in similitudinem hominum factus; quia non transfiguratione in hominem, sed habitu factus est, cum indutus est hominem, quem sibi uniens quodammodo atque conformans immortalitati aeternitatique sociaret. Non ergo oportet intelligi mutatum esse Verbum susceptione hominis, sicut nec membra veste induta mutantur; quamvis illa susceptio ineffabiliter susceptum suscipienti copularet. »

His verbis innuere videtur Augustinus Deum dici factum hominem secundum habitum; qui etiam ipsius incarnationis volens modum exprimere quaerentibus in quarto libro De Trinitate ait: « Si quaeritur ipsa incarnatio quomodo facta sit, ipsum Verbum Dei dico carnem factum, id est hominem factum, non tamen in hoc quod factum est conversum atque mutatum, sed carne, ut carnalibus congruenter appareret indutum. Ita sane factum, ut ibi sit non tantum Verbum Dei et hominis caro, sed et rationalis hominis anima, atque hoc totum et Deus dicatur propter Deum, et homo propter hominem; quod si difficile intelligitur, mens fide purgetur a peccatis abstinendo et bona operando. Difficilia enim sunt haec. Idem de fide ad Petrum: « Dei Filius cum sit Deus aeternus et verus, pro nobis factus est homo verus et plenus. In eo verus, quia veram habet Deus ille humanam naturam. In eo vero plenus est, quia carnem humanam suscepit, et animam rationalem. » Item: « Non fuit aliud illa Dei summi exinanitio, nisi formae servilis, id est naturae humanae susceptio. Utraque ergo in Christo est forma, quia utraque natura et plena est in Christo substantia, divina scilicet et humana. » Item in libro contra Maximinum: « Cum esset per seipsum invisibilis, visibilis in homine apparuit quem de femina suscepit, de qua natus est. » Item in eodem: « Nos Christum Deum verum hominem suscepisse credimus, et in ipso visibiliter invisibilem hominibus apparuisse, in ipso inter homines conversatum fuisse, in ipso ab hominibus humana pertulisse, in ipso homines docuisse. » Hilarius quoque in libro De Trinitate ait: « Quomodo Dei Filius natus ex Maria est, nisi quod Verbum caro est, scilicet quod Filius Dei, cum in forma Dei esset, formam servi accepit, unum tamen eumdem, non Dei defectione, sed hominis assumptione, profitemur et in forma Dei per naturam divinam, et in forma servi ex conceptione Spiritus sancti, secundum hominis habitum repertum fuisse. Non fuit habitus ille tamen hominis, sed ut hominis, neque caro illa caro peccati, sed in similitudine carnis peccati. »

====De similitudine Christi cum verme.====

Hoc autem quod hic dicitur: Non hominis, ita accipiendum est non peccatoris, sicut ibi: Ego sum vermis et non homo. Vermis, quia sine virili semine natus de Virgine; et non homo, id est non peccator; unde etiam explanando dicitur neque caro illa caro peccati, sed in similitudinem carnis peccati. Addant, si placet: In Idumaeam extendam calceamentum meum. Item: « venit ad nos calceata divinitas. » Item: Induebar cilicio.

Hae et omnes auctoritates hujusmodi, ut asserunt, haec docent, quod Christus non sit aliquid secundum quod homo, et quod assumens non sit aliquid quod assumptum est. Miror ante quod inter alia sanctorum testimonia quae pro illis praemissa sunt, penitus vel unum illud Augustini documentum totam falsitatem hanc penitus subvertere non intelligunt: « Non ergo oportet intelligi mutatum esse Verbum susceptione hominis, sicut nec membra induta veste mutantur, quamvis illa susceptio ineffabiliter susceptum suscipienti copularet. »

====De similitudine vestis.====

Si, quod de similitudine vestis dicitur, advertunt, cur ab eo quod de personali unione subditur faciem mentis avertunt? Quae est enim ista ineffabilis copulatio, nisi Dei assumentis et hominis assumpti personalis unio? quae unio nihil est, si homo non est una persona cum Deo. Quod si homo factus est una persona cum Deo, quid factum est una persona cum Deo? Illud etiam Augustini, « Difficilia sunt haec, » parum attendunt. Quae est enim haec difficultas intelligentiae, si nihil est aliud Deum esse hominem, quam habere humanae formae ac similitudinis vestem? Et si hoc est Deum factum esse hominem, id est accepisse tantummodo hujusmodi indumentum, quid hic mirum, quid ineffabile dicendum? Nonne quaelibet persona, sive hominis sive angeli, quae suscepit indumentum, manet eadem persona quae prius erat. Hoc potius novum et mirum esset, si acceptio vel mutatio vestis personam mutaret. Quod, si diligentius quae scripta sunt de habitu hominis et hujusmodi aliis inspicere velint, facile intelligent, nec per verba sanctorum, nec per explanationem verborum doceri, quod Christus secundum quod homo non sit aliquid, sed hoc potius quod divinitas in carne accepit. Est itaque Deus homo non modo vestimentaliter, sed essentialiter, quod in sequentibus suo loco demonstrabitur. Illud vero quod, velut firmissimo argumento probatum, putant, quod Deus non sit essentialiter homo potuit Deus assumpsisse hominem in sexu muliebri, potuit igitur mulier esse Deus et e converso; manifeste falsum est. Non enim si Deus potest aliquid facere, illud potest esse. Deus enim multa potest facere quae fieri non possunt, quia impossibilia sunt. Respondeant et ipsi an potuerit Deus humanam naturam in sexu muliebri assumpsisse, quod negare non possunt, ergo ex eis concluditur quod potuit Deus esse mulier. Hi tamen secundum subtile illud judicium suum negare non debent, Deus potuit esse mulier; sed istud: Deus potuit esse aliqua mulier, sicut potuit esse homo, sed non potuit esse aliquis homo, magnorum etiam magistrorum nos mole premunt, quos laudare solent auctores.

===CAP. III.&lt;br&gt;===
Auctoritates magistrorum qui pro illis facere videntur.

Magister Gilbertus Porretanus, ut multi perbibent, ea docuit quae in secunda sententia praemissa sunt, scilicet quod Christus et sit et factus est persona composita ex duabus naturis, sive tribus substantiis; et tamen non est factus aliqua persona, non factus aliqua substantia, non aliquid secundum quod homo. Sed quia super iis aliquod ejus scriptum non legi, et auditores sui etiam a se invicem dissentiunt, ad alios transeo, quorum scriptis falsitas eadem quam et ipse docuisse creditur, quod scilicet Christus secundum quod homo non sit aliquid, firmata et munita videtur.

Magister Petrus Abaelardus in Theologia sua sic disserit: « Quid est dicere Deum fieri hominem, nisi divinam substantiam quae spiritualis est, humanam quae corporea est, sibi unire in personam unam. Non enim quod spirituale est corporeum fieri potest, sed in illa unione personae Christi in qua simul divinitas Verbi et caro et anima conveniunt, unaquaeque istarum substantiarum propriam retinet naturam, ut nulla illarum in aliam commutetur, ut nec caro, nec anima divinitas fiat, sicut nec caro unquam anima esse potest, quamvis in singulis hominibus una persona sit anima et caro. » Et post pauca: « Mutatio, inquit, in aliud esse non potest, nisi esse desinat quod prius erat. Spiritualis autem essentia nunc quoque sicut prius spiritualis permanet, nec corporea facta est. Cum igitur spiritus sit Deus, nec unquam quod spiritus est corporeum fiat, aut partes recipiat, quomodo proprie vel Verbum dicitur fieri caro, vel Deus homo? cum Verbum ipsum etiam nunc sit spiritus, quia est Deus, sicut et ante incarnationem fuerat. Homo quippe corporea res est, et membris composita ac dissolubilis; Deus vero incorporea res est, nec partibus constat ut solvi possit. Deus igitur nec caro nec homo proprie dicendus est; alioquin et homo e converso Deus proprie dicendus esset unum aliquod creatum, vel quod non semper fuit concedi oporteret Deum esse, cum videlicet constet hominem creaturam esse atque initium habere. Absit autem ut aliquam rem Deum esse ponamus, quae non semper exstitit, aut non semper Deus fuerit! Hoc quippe est novum Deum recentemque confiteri. Sic igitur accipiendum est cum dicitur caro fieri vel esse homo, ut divina substantia humanaque in unam personam sociari intelligat. Alia quippe est substantia quae assumpta est, licet non sit alia persona. Sicut enim in uno Deo tres sunt personae una substantia; ita e contrario in homine Christo duae substantiae sunt, sed in duabus substantiis vel naturis una persona. Non est autem Deus in aliud mutatus quam fuit, licet et aliud sibi in personalem unionem conjunxerit. Nam nec animae nostrae cum resumptis corporibus eis in unam personam sociabuntur, ideo aliud quam erant efficientur; quamvis corpus animando immutent, et de inanimato ad animationem promoveant, ut ex hoc potius corpus per animam, quam ipsam per corpus mutari dicendum sit. Corpus enim ex anima, non ipsa ex corpore in quemdam proficit statum, cum ipsa per se persistat immobilis. Multo minus igitur Deus homini unitus ob hoc aliud fieri dicendus est, cui nihil conferre creatura potest; unde ab omni mutabilitate Deum penitus immunem profitemur. »

====Quomodo sane haec possunt intelligi.====

Si quis autem disputationem istam diligentius inspiciat, reperiet illud primo loco improbari divinam substantiam factam esse humanam. Similiter de divina substantia dicit quod non possit fieri res composita, vel res corporea, vel aliqua creatura. Illud etiam quod ait: « Absit quod aliquam rem Deum esse ponamus, quae non semper exstiterit, si Dei nomine non divina persona sed substantia intelligatur! » sicut ipse ab initio quaestionis interpretatus fuit, nihil habet erroneum. Quod autem ante solutionem more disputantium vera et falsa permiscet, hoc lectorem perturbare non debet; quae enim in ipsa solutione dicuntur, quae ibi incipit: « Sic igitur accipiendum est, » catholica sunt nobis, cum non contra nos faciunt usque ad illud: « Multo minus igitur Deus homini unitus ob hoc aliud fieri dicendus est. » Sed et illud etiam quod nobis adversari videtur, si de essentia intelligatur, nec ipsum est ideo nobis contrarium, vel forte aliud fieri intelligit ac si diceretur mutari; unde statim subdit: « Ab omni mutabilitate Deum penitus immunem esse profitemur. » Verum catholicum quemlibet movere potest quod ait: « Cum ergo semper sit Deus, nec unquam quod spiritus est corporeum fiat, aut partes recipiat, quomodo proprie vel Verbum dicitur caro fieri, vel Deus homo, cum Verbum etiam ipsum nunc sit spiritus, etc. » Videtur enim hoc sentire velle, quod Filius Dei non dicitur proprie, seu essentialiter homo, sed solo habitu; nisi quis dicat, quod non dicitur proprie Deus homo vel Verbum homo; quia plura nomina quibus de eo loquimur a creaturis ad Creatorem transumpta sunt. Sed non hic quaerebatur quid de eo proprie dicatur, vel non; sed quid hoc sit Deum fieri hominem. Hac etiam transumptionis ratione perspecta posset similiter dicere, quod nec Verbum proprie dicitur Verbum, nec Deus proprie dicitur Deus. Ecce si sana est magistri Petri Abaelardi doctrina, pravae assertioni patrocinari non praevalet; si prava est, catholicae professioni praejudicare non debet. Quod vero a magistro Petro Abaelardo hanc opinionem suam magister Petrus Lombardus accepit, eo magis suspicatus sum, quia librum illum frequenter prae manibus habebat, et forte minus diligenter singula perscrutans, ut, qui ex usu magis quam ex arte disputandi peritiam haberet, falli poterat. Opinionem suam dixi. Quod enim fuerit haec ejus opinio certum est. Quod vero non fuerit ejus assertio haec, ipse testatur in capitulo suo.

====Unde praesumitur quod fuit assertio magistri Petri.====

Satis diligenter, juxta diversorum sententias, suprapositam, absque assertione et praejudicio, tractavimus quaestionem. Verumtamen nolumus in re tanta, tanquam ad cognoscendum difficili, putare lectorem istam sibi nostram sufficere debere disputationem; sed legat et alia melius forte considerata atque tractata, et ea quae hic movere possunt, vigilantiore si potest mente discutiat; hoc firmiter tenens quod Deus hominem assumpsit, homo in Deum transivit, non naturae versibilitate, sed Dei dignatione, ut nec Deus mutaretur in humanam substantiam assumendo hominem, nec homo in divinam glorificatus in Deum; quae mutatio vel versibilitas naturae diminutionem et abolitionem substantiae facit.

====Alia de eodem praesumptio.====

Praeterea, paulo antequam electus esset in episcopum Parisiensem, mihi et omnibus auditoribus suis, qui tunc aderant, protestatus est, quod haec non esset assertio sua, sed opinio sola quam a magistro acceperat. Haec etiam verba subjecit: « Nec unquam Deo volente, erit assertio mea, nisi quae fuerit fides catholica. » Postea vero per quosdam homines loquaces magis, quam perspicaces, quae nec in cubiculis essent audienda, usque hodie praedicantur super tecta. Nunc igitur quia adversarii nostri de magistris gloriantur, et nos aliqua pro nobis magistrorum ducamus testimonia, ut fortissimis sanctorum cuneis etiam doctorum hujus temporis levior armatura praeludatur.

===CAP. IV.&lt;br&gt;===
Auctoritates magistrorum contra illam sententiam.

Magister Anselmus Cantuariensis in epistola ad Urbanum papam: « Suscepit Deus hominem in unitate personae, ut sint duae naturae, divina scilicet et humana, una persona. Dicunt quidam, quomodo dicimus in Christo non esse duas personas sicut duas naturas? Nam Deus et ante assumptionem hominis persona erat, nec postquam hominem assumpsit persona destitit esse; et homo assumptus persona est, quia omnis homo individuus persona esse cognoscitur. Quare est alia persona Dei quae fuit ante incarnationem, alia hominis assumpti? Sicut igitur Christus est Deus et homo: ita duae in illo videntur esse personae. Sed non ita est. Sicut enim in Deo una natura est, plures personae, et plures personae sunt una natura; ita in Christo una persona est plures naturae, et plures naturae sunt una persona. Non enim est alius Deus, alius homo in Christo; quamvis aliud sit homo, aliud Deus. Sed idem ipse est Deus qui et homo. » Et post pauca: « In assumpto vero homine, vel in nomine Jesu, intelligitur cum natura, id est cum homine, collectio proprietatum quae est eadem assumpto homini et Verbo; unde eadem sunt persona. » Ecce quod Christus est duae naturae sive substantiae, et quod aliud et aliud sunt, non alius et alius.

Bernardus abbas Claraevallensis in libro De consideratione: « Decuit quippe familiarius similiusque cum hominis convenire constitutione, quod pro homine constitutum est sacramentum. Decuit et cum summa quae in Deo est et Deus est unitate congruere, ut quomodo ibi tres personae essentia una, ita hic convenientissima quadam contrarietate tres essentiae sunt una persona.

====De tribus essentiis in Divinitate.====

Tres essentias dicit: Verbum, animam et carnem; et utique sicut intelligit divinitatem, ita in carne et in anima totum hominem intelligi voluit, Augustinum sequens, qui saepe pro toto homine carnem et animam ponere consuevit; magister Hugo de S. Victore: « Verbum persona aeterna fuit, neque tunc persona esse coepit, quando animam et carnem in personam accepit; accepit animam et carnem, ut in se persona essent, non ut se personam faceret. Quia ergo caro et anima in eo persona esse acceperunt, quando Verbi personae uniri coeperunt, semper quidem cum Verbo una et eadem persona permanserunt, quia nunquam postea a Verbo vel inter se divisa recesserunt. »

====Quod per animam et carnem totum intelligit hominem.====

Hic nimirum per animam et carnem totum hominem intelligit, qui coepit esse illa persona, unde et post pauca subditur: « Praeterea partes hominis duae sunt, quia in natura hominis duo sunt, scilicet anima et caro. Ubi haec duo sunt, totus homo est; ubi alterum horum, pars hominis est. Propter hoc igitur Verbum totum hominem assumpsit, quia totum quod hominis erat assumpsit, animam et carnem. Si partes hominis Christi sint anima et caro, quomodo non est aliquod totum? et, si partes habet secundum humanitatem, qua ratione negari potest eum esse aliquid secundum humanitatem? Hae etiam partes anima et caro non possunt esse partes nisi alicujus substantiae, quare secundum humanitatem Christi est aliqua substantia. »

Magister Achardus in libro suo De Trinitate. « In Christo duae naturae sunt quarum utraque persona dici potest per se; non tamen duae sunt personae, sed una in naturis duabus; in Deo assumente hominem, id est in Verbo ex ipsius natura: in homine assumpto et assumentis beneficio Verbi et gratia. »

Item: « Quamvis in Verbo assumente et homine assumpto alterum sit ex altero, homo scilicet a Verbo, non tamen duas ibi esse personas, vel unam a seipsa consequens est; eo quod homo alterius naturae est a Verbo, secundum quam potest esse ab eo. Et ideo, propter pluralitatem naturarum jam non ibi exigitur pluralitas personarum. Si enim alterum non sit ab altero secundum personam alteram. Si vero ibi altera non esset natura, necessario, cum personalitatem ibi esse constet, et utramque personam dici per se, persona ibi esset altera, aut neutrum esset ab altero, aut persona una prius a se ipsa. »

====Quid super his senserint magister Robertus Melidensis, et magister Mauricius.====

Duos etiam venerabiles magistros, quos in theologia nihil haereticum docuisse certissimum est, Robertum scilicet Melidensem, et Mauricium hodie Parisiensem episcopum silentio praeterire non debeo. Eorum itaque super his disputationibus vel quaestionibus scripta non legi; sed multis eorum lectionibus et disputationibus interfui, in quibus et de homine assumpto et de aliis quibusdam magistri Petri Lombardi doctrinam falsitatis arguebant, ne dicam erroris. Mihi tamen non facile, nec cito potuerunt avellere quod diu tenueram, sed ex tunc meum coepit fluctuare judicium, usquequo per doctorum aliorum etiamque sanctorum testimonia veritas ipsa de qua quaerebatur, velut per speculum et per aenigma, sese tandem intimaverit.
Assertio magistri Achardi.

Haec disputatio magistri Achardi in principio sui asserit duas esse naturas in Christo, quarum utraque est persona et utique non alia quam Christus. Caetera vel modicam explanationem efflagitant, ut haec: « Quarum utraque persona dici potest per se hoc modo, scilicet Verbum assumens est persona, homo assumptus est persona, unde videtur pluralitas esse personarum. In alio enim quolibet homine hae duae naturae, anima et caro, simul dicuntur unus homo, sive una persona, sed neutra per se est homo vel persona, unde propter hujusmodi pluralitatem naturarum in quolibet homine nulla exigitur pluralitas personarum. In Christo vero secus est, quia sunt duae naturae quarum utraque est persona, unde videri posset quod sicut sunt duae naturae, ita etiam duae essent in eo personae, quod sic infringitur, nec tamen duae sunt personae, » etc. Quod vero sequitur: « In Verbo ex ipsius natura, » etc., illi auctoritati innititur: Quod habet Filius Dei per naturam, hoc habet Filius hominis, per gratiam. Item: « Quamvis in Verbo assumente, etc. » Hic geminam expugnat falsitatem. Quia ergo Verbum assumens est persona, et homo assumptus est persona, et haec est a Verbo videtur, quod altera persona esset ab altera, vel eadem a se ipsa. Sicut in Trinitate Pater est persona, Filius est persona, et Filius est a Patre, unde cum sint duae personae, altera est ab altera, et si una essent persona, eadem esset a se ipsa. Sed non est similis utrobique necessitas. In Christo enim sunt duae naturae, quarum altera est ab altera. In Patre et Filio eadem natura, sed personalitates una et altera. Et hoc est: « Quamvis in Verbo assumente, » etc. Quod ergo haec ejus disputatio ita intelligenda sit, ibi subtiliter et breviter innuit: « Si vero ibi altera non esset in natura, » etc., quia enim utraque per se dicitur persona, si non esset ibi natura altera, aut nec homo esset a Verbo, nec Verbum ab homine, aut persona ibi esset altera ab altera, aut eadem a seipsa.

====Epilogus praedictorum.====

Hic breviter discursis, quatenus dicendorum notitia plenior haberetur, restat ea quae in exordio demonstranda proposuimus, firmissimis sanctorum testimoniis et rationibus fidei consentaneis roborare, ut quasi post quaedam praeludia, jam nunc ad seria veniatur.

===CAP. V.&lt;br&gt;===
Quod Christus est aliquis homo auctoritates.

In Psalmis omnia haec leguntur de Christo: Beatus quem elegisti et assumpsisti. Item: Quid est homo quod memor es ejus, aut Filius hominis? Item: Dies super dies regis adjicies annos ejus. Item: Fiat manus tua super virum dexterae tuae, et super Filium hominis quem confirmasti tibi. Item: Iste pauper clamavit, et Dominus exaudivit eum. Item: Ego sum mendicus et pauper. Item: Tu es Sacerdos in aeternum. Item: Quis est homo qui vivet et non videbit mortem, eruet animam suam de manu inferi?

====Epilogatio proximorum.====

Si Christus non est aliquis homo, quis est iste beatus homo? quis est iste filius hominis? quis est iste beatus rex? quis est iste vir dexterae? quis est iste pauper? quis est iste sacerdos? quis est homo qui eruet animam suam de manu inferi? Utique nullus. Quod, si Christus est homo de quo ista dicuntur, Christus est aliquis homo. Item super Psalmum legitur istud Cassiodori: « Haec omnia non omni beato viro conveniunt, sed soli Christo. » Potius dicendum erat, nulli beato viro conveniunt, nulli enim alii viro conveniunt. Et Christus cui soli conveniunt non est aliquis vir? Item ibi legitur: « Haec est plena diffinitio beati viri, sed quomodo est diffinitio beati viri, quae nullo beato viro convenit? » Nec Christus enim, nec aliquis alius est beatus vir cui conveniat ipsa. Item Apostolus: Si enim unius delicto multi mortui sunt, multo magis gratia et donum in gratia unius hominis Jesu Christi in plures abundavit.

Item Augustinus in libro De Trinitate: « Sicut per unum hominem peccatum, etc. Apostolus de duobus hominibus prolixius disputat, uno eodemque primo Adam per cujus peccatum et mortem ejus posteri obligati sumus, alteri vero secundo Adam, qui non homo tantum, sed et Deus est. » Item Augustinus super Joannem: « Cecidit primus homo, et omnes qui ab eo nati sunt de illo traxerunt concupiscentiam carnis. Oportebat ut nasceretur alius homo, qui nullam traxit concupiscentiam, homo et homo, homo ad mortem, et homo ad vitam, sicut dicit Apostolus: Quoniam quidem per hominem mors et per hominem resurrectio. Per quem hominem mors, per quem resurrectio? Sicut enim in Adam moriuntur, ita et in Christo omnes justificabuntur. » Item Augustinus in libro De praedestinatione sanctorum: « Praeclarissimum lumen praedestinationis et gratiae ipse est mediator Dei et hominum homo Christus Jesus. Ille homo ut a Verbo Patri coaeterno in unitatem personae assumptus Filius Dei unicus esset, unde hoc meruit? quod ejus bonum qualecunque praecessit, ut ad hanc ineffabilem excellentiam perveniret, et faciente aut suscipiente Deo Verbo, ipse homo ex quo esse coepit, Filius Dei unicus esse coeperit? » Item: « Ita ab initio fidei suae homo quicunque gratia fit Christianus, sicut gratia homo ille ab initio factus est Christus. » Item Augustinus De bono perseverantiae: « Qui fecit illum hominem sine ullis praecedentibus ejus meritis, nullum quod ei dimitteretur vel originem trahere vel voluntate perpetrare peccatum; ipse nullis eorum meritis praecedentibus facit credentes in eum, quibus dimittat omnem peccatum. » Item: « Et illum ergo et quos praedestinavit, quia et in illo ut esset caput nostrum, et in nobis ut ejus corpus essemus, non praecessura merita nostra, sed opera sua futura praescivit. » Item Augustinus De littera et spiritu: « Deus humilis descendit per misericordiam, et gratiam claram et manifestam, commendans in ipso homine quem tanta prae participibus suis charitate suscepit. Neque enim ipse Verbo Dei conjunctus, ut ipsa conjunctione unus Filius Dei et idem ipse unus filius hominis fieret, praecedentibus suae voluntatis meritis, fecit. » Item: Mons in quo beneplacitum est Deo, etc. Augustinus: « Verbum habitavit eum, scilicet hominem Christum usque in finem, quia personaliter unitus est ei in quo habitat omnis plenitudo divinitatis corporaliter. Sic erat itaque Verbum in carne, ut Verbum etiam caro factum solum diceretur, id est homo Verbo in unam Christi personam copularetur. » Item Augustinus super Joannem: « Primitiae homo et homo, homo ad vitam et homo ad mortem. Homo ille non Deus, iste Deus et homo. » Item: Matri Sion dicit homo. Augustinus: « Ecce est quidam homo, id est Christus, qui dicit: Sion, id est Synagoga, est mater mea secundum carnem. Et quis est homo ille? homo qui in ea natus est, » etc. Item Augustinus in homilia de Symbolo: « Haec fuit natura hominis qui factus est ex Virgine, quae natura Virginis ex qua Christus formatus et natus est ejusdem est naturae cum Patre secundum divinitatem. »

Item Haimo: Quia praedestinatus, etc. « Non de Verbo loquitur hic Apostolus, sed de homine, qui non erat antequam factus esset. » Item Joannes Chrysostomus: « Et adorent eum hominem qui passus est et mortuus. Non de Deo verba ista dicuntur, sed de homine suscepto: adorent, inquam, omnes angeli Dei. »

Item in Evangelio Caiphas per Spiritum sanctum ait: Expedit ut unus homo moriatur pro populo, et non tota gens pereat. Item ministri Pharisaeis responderunt: Nunquam locutus est homo sicut hic homo. Centurio etiam clamat: Vere hic homo Filius Dei erat.

Si Christus secundum Apostolum est unus homo; si, secundum Augustinum, est alter duorum hominum, de quibus disputat Apostolus; si est homo alius a primo Adam; si est quidam homo qui dicit, Sion est mater mea; si, ut legitur in Evangelio, est unus homo qui moriturus erat pro populo, patet quia Christus est aliquis homo. Item omnes illae auctoritates quibus de Christo legitur hic homo, iste homo, ille homo, vel aliquid hujusmodi, si Christus nec fuit, nec est, nec erat aliquis homo, incongruae sunt, et propter incompetentem demonstrationem sive relationem, aut nullum, aut cassum faciunt intellectum, nisi forte dicant eo tropo dici de Christo, hic et ille homo, quo de idolo dicitur, hic et ille Deus; sed ibi non attenditur naturae participatio, sed nuncupatio sola. Sicut ergo idolum solo nomine est Deus, ita et Christus solo nomine est homo. Absit! Ecce his et aliis infinitis auctoritatibus edocemur, quod Christus est aliquis homo. Idem firmis probari potest rationibus.

===CAP. VI.&lt;br&gt;===
Rationes quibus probatur quod Christus est aliquis homo.

Hominum enim alius est Christus, alius non est Christus, ergo et quidam homo non est Christus. Item, Christus est unus aliquorum hominum, ergo est homo. Item, unus solus homo est Christus, et multi homines sunt; ergo unus hominum est Christus, quare aliquis homo est Christus. Item, in his locutionibus omnes declinaverunt, omnes in Adam peccaverunt, omnis homo mendax; in his, inquam, et similibus omnes catholici expositores Christum excipiunt; quod, si natura alius homo quam Christus excipiendus est, et Christus non est aliquis homo qui excipi debeat, nullus homo excipiendus est. Quae ergo sic dicuntur sine omni exceptione vera sunt. Item, Christus est sanctissimus hominum, beatissimus hominum, haec et hujusmodi omnia falsa sunt, si Christus non est aliquis homo. Item, si quis est habens naturam humanam est homo, et qui est aliquis habens naturam humanam est aliquis homo. Item, est aliquis animatus anima humana, ergo est aliquis homo. Item, aliquis est filius Abrahae, cui factae sunt repromissiones; Christus non est aliquis filius Abrahae; quare alii quam Christo factae sunt promissiones qui Christus non est. Item, nullus homo redemit nos, quia non alius redimere potuit, nec aliquis homo est vel fuit Christus qui nos redemit. Item, cum Christo crucifixi sunt duo latrones, sed duo illi homines cum Christo crucifixi sunt, et nullus alius homo tunc crucifixus est: ergo soli latrones tunc crucifixi sunt, absit! Quod si tunc alius homo crucifixus est, quis est iste alius homo, cum Christus non sit aliquis homo? Item, ubi duodecim apostoli erant cum Domino, ibi erant duodecim homines, et non soli duodecim, quia Christus ibi erat; ergo si praeter duodecim aliquis homo ibi erat, et hic erat Christus, aliquis homo erat Christus. Quod si non erat ibi aliquis homo praeter duodecim, soli homines duodecim ibi erant. Item, Christus fuit aliquis vir, ergo fuit aliquis homo.

Sed forte qua ratione asserunt eum non fuisse aliquem hominem, istud etiam fateri cognoscuntur ipsum non fuisse aliquem infantem, aliquem puerum, aliquem juvenem. Si enim, inquiunt, Christus fuit aliquis homo, cum nec ab aeterno fuerit homo, in tempore factus est aliquis homo; sed si in tempore factus est aliquis homo, in tempore factus est aliquid. Concedant igitur simili ratione quod non fuerit aliquis infans, quia si ex tempore coepit esse aliquid, quod ipsi absurdum, dicunt et impossibile. Nunquid ergo non beata Virgo non peperit aliquem infantem? Nunquid Simeon justus Christum accipiens in ulnas suas non vidit, nec tenuit aliquem infantem? nunquid apostoli et alii videntes et audientes Christum non videbant, nec audiebant aliquem hominem? Miror autem quod non attendunt hujus phantasmatis assertores quam modicum distent a Manichaeis. Illi dogmatizaverunt: Christus videbatur homo et non erat homo. Isti hoc dogmatizant, unde necesse habent confiteri: Christus videbatur homo, et non erat aliquis homo. Nam si erat et videbatur homo, videbatur utique, sed non erat aliquis homo; quare videbatur homo, et non erat aliquis homo. Similiter videbatur infans, et non erat aliquis infans; videbatur puer, et non erat aliquis puer; videbatur homo vivus, et non erat aliquis homo qui viveret; visus est homo moriens, et non erat aliquis homo qui moreretur; visus est postea homo resuscitatus a mortuis, et non erat aliquis homo resuscitatus a mortuis; visus est homo ille ascendere ad coelos, sed non erat aliquis homo qui in coelum ascenderet. Et quia in hujusmodi errores incidunt, et qui negant Christum secundum humanitatem aliquid fuisse, nos huic falsitati contrariam veritatem auctoritatibus et rationibus munitam esse demonstremus.

===CAP. VII.&lt;br&gt;===
Quod Christus secundum quod homo est aliquid.

Augustinus De Trinitate: « Caput Christi Deus, si Deus omnia simul tria haec intelliguntur, quomodo igitur caput est Deus, id est caput Christi est Trinitas, cum in Trinitate sit Christus? an quod Pater est cum Filio et Spiritu sancto, ei caput est quod solus est Filius? cum Patre enim et Spiritu sancto Filius est Deus, Filius autem solus est, homo factus est. » Item Augustinus in Joannem: « Ipse est homo qui Deus, quia Deus factus est homo; sed factus quod non erat, non amittens quod erat. » Item: « Creator hominis homo esse dignatus est, factus est quod fecerat, ne periret quem fecerat. » Item: « Angelus ad Mariam virginem: Quod nascetur ex te sanctum, vocabitur Filius Dei. » Item, super illum locum in Evangelio Joannis: Nunc autem quaeritis me interficere hominem, etc., legitur illud Augustini: « Non dicit ut poterat Dominum Abrahae, ne sit occasio calumniae, nec Filium Dei, sed quod vident, quem possunt accipere. » Item Augustinus: « Ne sileas a me, id est ne unitatem verbi tui separes ab eo, quod homo ego sum. » Item Augustinus, super psalmum illum: Domine, refugium : « Incepit esse quod non erat; servata substantiarum proprietate, quod creabile mansit creabile, quod increabile, increabile. » Item Augustinus De Trinitate: Nam si ego non abiero, advocatus non veniet ad vos. « Oportebat ergo ut auferretur ab oculis forma servi, qua intuentes, hoc solum esse Christum putabant quod videbant. » Item Augustinus De Trinitate: « Et quid tam grate suscipi posset, quam caro sacrificii nostri corpus effectum sacerdotis nostri? quoniam quatuor considerant in omni sacrificio, pro quibus offeratur, cui offeratur, a quo offeratur, quid offeratur. Idem ipse unus verus mediator per sacrificium pacis reconciliavit nos Deo, unum maneret cum illo cui offerebatur, unum in se faceret pro quibus offerebat, vel ipse esset qui offerebat et quod offerebatur. » Item Augustinus super Joannem: Noli me tangere : « Quid est hoc? hic solum me esse putas quod vides. Noli sic credere, id est noli me tangere. » Item Ambrosius: « Homo Christus quid est? id est quam magnum quid et dignum. Per hoc quod memor es ejus, faciendo eum immunem a peccato, aut, id est et filius hominis, scilicet idem ipse Christus homo de homine, ut Deus de Deo. Quid est? scilicet quam excellentissimum quid per hoc quod visitas eum resuscitando. »

===Epilogatio.===

Ecce secundum humanitatem Filius est aliquid quod non est Pater, nec Spiritus sanctus. Et est quod non erat, et factus est quod fecerat. Et secundum eamdem naturam est hoc quod ex Virgine natum est, et quod Judaei videbant et occidere poterant, et secundum quod homo erat, id est cui Verbum unitum erat. Et id quod creabile erat, et id quod offerebatur, id quod videbatur, et magis quid et dignum et quoddam excellentissimum. Quomodo ergo secundum quod homo, non erat aliquid? Ex his et aliis infinitis auctoritatibus elucescit, quod Christus secundum quod homo erat, et est aliquid; quod ut firmius sit et rationibus comprobetur.

===Item aliae rationes.===

Christus secundum quod homo habet humanitatem, ergo secundum quod homo habet aliquam substantialem qualitatem, ergo secundum quod homo est aliquid. Item, Christus secundum humanitatem est homo, sed esse hominem est esse aliquid. Item, Christus secundum duas naturas esse geminae substantiae, et secundum utramque naturam est alicujus substantiae; ergo secundum utramque naturam est aliquid. Item, Christus secundum quod homo est homousios, id est consubstantialis matri; ergo secundum quod homo habet aliquid substantiale commune cum matre; quare secundum quod homo est aliquid. Item, Christus secundum humanitatem est homo vel aliud, ergo secundum humanitatem est aliquid. Item, secundum quod homo est caput nostrum, ergo secundum quod homo est aliquid quod supra nos est. Item, secundum quod homo est pretium quo redempti sumus, ergo secundum quod homo est aliquod pretium, quare secundum quod homo est aliquid. Item, secundum quod homo est sacrificium quo expiati sumus, ergo secundum quod homo est aliquod sacrificium, quare secundum quod homo est aliquid. Item, Christus, Enoc et Elias sunt tres homines; ergo sunt tria, ergo secundum quod homo est unus illorum trium; ergo secundum quod homo est unum aliquid. Item, Christus aut solo nomine est homo, aut nomine et re; si solo nomine est homo, non vere est homo; si re et nomine est, homo est. Item alia ratio: Substantia data secundum hanc naturam quae omni homini convenit, illa convenit Christo; non autem illa est substantialis diffinitio quae convertitur cum definito, quod si secundum, quod homo suscepit aliquam substantialem diffinitionem, secundum quod homo habet aliqua substantialia; quare secundum quod homo est aliquid. Item, si humanitas convenit homini illi non substantialiter, nobis vero substantialiter, non propter humanitatem est ejusdem naturae nobiscum vel ejusdem substantiae. Sicut enim ignis substantialiter calidus et aqua accidentaliter calida, non sunt ejusdem naturae vel substantiae; ita nec nos qui substantialiter homines sumus, cum illo sumus unius naturae vel substantiae, qui non est substantialiter homo, sed vel accidentaliter, vel nec accidentaliter nec substantialiter. Quod si substantialiter est homo, et hoc praedicabile homo non in quale, sed in quid habeat praedicari; secundum quod homo est aliquid.

Item, aliqua accidentia erant in homine Christo, ergo Christo erant aliqua in quibus erant illa accidentia; sed non erant aliqua in quibus essent, ergo aliquid in quo erant illa accidentia. Item, pueritia Christi fuit in aliquo subjecto, si ergo secundum humanitatem fuit illud subjectum, Christus secundum humanitatem fuit aliquid; quod si corpus et anima fuit illud subjectum, corpus vel anima fuit puer vel puella; quare corpus vel anima fuit aliquis homo vel aliqua femina. Item, si Christus secundum quod homo non erat aliquid, crucifixio et tristitia Christi non fuit in aliquo subjecto; quare corpus tantum crucifigebatur, anima sola tristabatur; nec ex duobus illis aliquid constabat quod crucifigeretur et tristaretur, nec aliud aliquid ibi crucifigebatur et tristabatur; ergo nihil ibi tristabatur et crucifigebatur. Hac ratione Christo nihil fuit quod sederet, et aliquid sciret; nec fuit aliquid quod verba proferret, et ea intelligeret; nec fuit aliquid quod moreretur, et ideo frueretur; quare sedere, proferre, mori, haec corporis sunt: scire, intelligere, frui, animae sunt; Christus vero nec illa duo, nec aliquod compositum ex illis erat, nec aliquid omnino cui illa convenirent. Rursum in hac assertione sua parum distant a Manichaeis. Illi dicebant: Christus videbatur homo et non erat homo; videbatur crucifigi, et non crucifigebatur; videbatur mori, et non moriebatur. Isti dicunt: Christus videbatur homo, et non erat aliquid quod videbatur, Christus loquebatur, et non erat aliquid quod loquebatur; crucifigebatur, et non erat aliquid quod crucifigebatur. Item, post resurrectionem apostoli viderunt Christum et non viderunt aliquid quod erat Christus; credebant se videre et audire Christum, sed non videbant, nec audiebant aliquid quod esset Christus. Quando etiam videntibus apostolis Christus ascendit in altum, nihil quod esset Christus ascendit in altum. Divina enim substantia quae sola, ut asserunt, Christus est, localiter ascendere et descendere non potest. Quia vero condiscipuli mei et alii innumerabiles negant Christum essentialiter sive substantialiter esse hominem, illud hoc loco demonstretur. Et quae contra dici solent dissolvantur.

===CAP. VIII.&lt;br&gt;===
Rationes quibus probatur quod Christus essentialiter et substantialiter est homo.

Si Christus solo habitu est homo, id est quod habet hominem ut indumentum; et, si quia sit aliquid quod sit homo, non sunt haec vera, Deus est homo, et homo Deus est; Deus factus est homo, et homo factus est Deus. Si enim Deus habet tantummodo hominem, et non est aliquid quod sit homo, Deus non est homo. Et si tantummodo habens hominem est Deus, et non aliquid quod essentialiter sit homo, est Deus; homo non est Deus. Item, si Deus factus est homo et homo factus est Deus, cum nec prius nec posterius factus sit, Deus homo, qua homo, factus est quando Deus factus est homo. Homo factus est Deus, sed hoc stare non potest, si vera sit traditio illorum contra quos sermo est. Non enim quando Deus factus est homo, id est habens naturam humanam, vel ipse, vel alius humanam naturam habens factus est Deus. Sicut enim homo hodie fit tunicatus, nec tamen tunicatus fit homo; ita secundum quod illi sentiunt, dicendum esset, quod tunc Deus factus homo, sed non homo factus est Deus, id est proprie Deus habens humanam naturam factus est Deus ens homo. Quod si verum dicerent, in hujusmodi violentis et ridiculis expositionibus non laborarent. Item, si ideo dicitur Christus sive Deus assumpsisse hominem in unitate personae, quia manens una eademque persona quae prius fuerat, accepit sibi tanquam indumentum carnem et animam, quae prius non habuerat, ita tamen ut nec duo illa, nec aliquid fieret illa persona, eadem ratione dici potest quod sic assumpsit columbam in unitate personae; nam et ipse Spiritus sanctus, assumpta columba in qua appareret, mansit una et eadem persona quae prius fuerat. Hac etiam ratione dicendum de angelis quoties apparuerint in corporibus undecunque assumptis, quia corpora illa assumpserunt in unitatem personae. Quod si dixerint naturam assumptam a Christo esse naturam Christi, sed naturam a Spiritu sancto, sive ab angelo non ita assumi, ut sit natura Dei assumentis vel angeli: sciant hoc ideo esse, quia homo assumptus cum Deo assumente una est persona, cujusmodi unio inter Spiritum sanctum et columbam fieri non posset, nisi Spiritus sanctus vere columba, et ipsa columba vere Spiritus sanctus fieret. Et similiter de angelo et de assumpta creatura sentiendum. Item, si corpus Christi sub specie panis essentialiter corpus Christi est, quanto fortius ipse Christus in propria specie essentialiter homo est; et utique quia species illa in altari tantummodo ut velamen est, ideo non est species illius naturae cujus est ipsum corpus, nec corpus illius naturae cujus est illa species; quare similiter et Deus, si habet hominem tantummodo ut velamen, tamen ut homo est illius naturae cujus est Deus; nec e converso: quod, si Christus essentialiter est homo, cum omnis homo, qui vere et proprie dicitur homo, sit substantialiter homo, et Christus substantialiter est homo, aut non vere et proprie dicitur homo. Sed, ut dicunt, Christus non vere et proprie dicitur homo; solo enim habitu et non essentia dicitur homo, quod ut puro jam probatum est, et adhuc amplius per sequentia probabitur. Item, Christus secundum naturam humanam substantialis est matri, et natura humana substantialiter matri convenit; ergo et Christo. Item, si Christus non habet humanitatem tanquam sibi substantialem, sicut habet beata Virgo, Christus secundum humanitatem cum beata Virgine non est ejusdem substantiae vel naturae. Ille enim habet solummodo tanquam vestimentum, illa habet tanquam substantialem formam sive naturam. Item, nihil est substantiale beatae Virgini quod sit substantiale Christo, ergo non est filius homousios matri, ergo filius et mater non sunt ejusdem naturae vel substantiae. Quod si auctores efflagitant, audiant illud Hieronymi in sermone Cogitis me: « Unus idemque manens Filius unigenitus inseparatus in utrisque naturis conspicitur, et quae sunt utriusque substantiae naturaliter operabatur secundum unicuique insitam essentialem qualitatem. » Si Christus habuerit essentialem qualitatem humanae substantiae vel naturae, generaliter fuit homo. Dionysius vera ad Timotheum episcopum de mytica theologia ait: « Superessentialis Jesus humanis naturalibus veritatibus essentia factus. » Augustinus in libro De fide ad Petrum: « Qui essentialiter conceptus est natus de Virgine. » Item, Graecum illud et authenticum nomen homousios manifeste declarat quod Christus essentialiter sit homo, cum dicitur a catholicis homousios, id est essentialis, sive unius substantiae, id est naturae cum matre. Quod si Christus non est essentialiter et substantialiter homo, nec secundum quod homo est animal, nec corpus, nec substantia. Quod Christus secundum quod homo substantia sit, quod sit corpus, quod sit animal, sequentia declarabunt. Contra haec vero quod Christum essentialiter et substantialiter hominem dicimus, multifariam disputatur.

===CAP. IX.&lt;br&gt;===
Quae contra objici possunt et solent.

Substantiale est Christo esse hominem; ergo destructo homine destruitur Christus. Quod, si a nobis simile expetitur, respondemus, natura humana natura est Christi, ergo et ea destructa destruitur Christus. Non sequitur. Solus enim Jesus est gigas geminae substantiae geminaeque naturae, et ideo sicut antequam mundus fieret et sine natura assumpta exstitit, ita etiam hodie sine ea existere posset, ac non tota Trinitas destructa qualis creatura existeret. Similiter et in omnibus illis quae ei secundum quod homo substantialia sunt, destructis nihilominus existeret, aut non existentibus quibusdam creaturis Deus esse desineret. Hoc autem videtur dicere contra illud argumentum. Non videtur secundum quid genus participari, nam non est homo secundum quid animal, neque grammatica secundum quid est disciplina, et alibi secundum quid et non simpliciter inesse in solo accidente contigit: unde non videtur dicendum quod aliquid sit substantiale Christo secundum humanam naturam, nisi simpliciter sit substantiale. Sed si simpliciter est substantiale, destructum destruit.

Ad quod dicimus quod stultam facit Deus sapientiam hujus mundi. Haec enim omnia philosophica: Si Virgo est, nunquam peperit: si caecus semel factus est, nunquam postea videt; si Deus est, non est homo; si est visibilis, non est invisibilis: si est aeternus, non est temporalis, et hujusmodi infinita, quae philosophis videbantur verissima, catholicis omnibus constat esse falsissima. Habeant ergo philosophorum documenta locum suum in his quae secundum naturam se habent, non in his quae contra naturam mirabiliter fiunt et facta sunt.

===Aliae objectiones.===

Item objici potest: Haec species homo est substantialis Christo secundum quod homo, et non sunt paria: ergo est aliquid quod est superius Christo. Sed si haec species sive aliquid aliud universale est superius Christo, aut non omnia universalia sunt creaturae, aut aliqua creatura est aliquid superius Christo. Item: Si aliquod praedicabile est superius Christo, aliquid quod non est Deus hoc Deo personaliter unitum est superius Christo. Simile: Haec praedicabilia anima et corpus sunt superiora anima et corpore Christi; ergo aut haec praedicabilia non sunt creaturae, aut aliquae creaturae sunt aliqua superiora anima et corpore Christi. Aliud simile: Si haec universalia sunt superiora corpore et anima Christi, aliqua quae non sunt Christus nec personaliter unita, sunt superiora anima et corpore Christi.

Possem hic nominum distinguere aequivocationem. Dicitur enim superius vel inferius loco, ordine et dignitate, et forte aliis modis. Ordine quidem sive descendendi a generalissimis usque ad individua, sive ascendendi ab individuis ad generalissima. Superius est hoc praedicabile homo quolibet suo singulari, non loco, sed dignitate. Sed istud potius existimo et dico quoties de Christo vel de qualibet persona in Trinitate, sive de ipsa divina essentia, quoties etiam de sacramentis et de articulis fidei disputatur, his quae logicorum propria omnia sunt supersedendum; aut si aliquando, ne penitus absint, admittuntur, sicut perstrepere velint, statim eliminentur, tum quia regulariter majestatibus verba non competunt, quae naturale indumentum rationis non transcendunt, tum etiam quia plerique logicae professores molesti sunt interpretes verborum et aucupes syllogismorum. Aquae vero Siloes fluunt cum silentio, et in domo Domini non est auditus malleus, neque securis audita.

Praeterea illud objicitur Joannis Damasceni: « Cum unam hominum naturam dicimus, sciendum est quod non considerantes ad animae et corporis rationem haec dicimus; impossibile enim est unius naturae dicere corpus et animam ad invicem corporata, sed quia plurimae personae hominum sunt, omnes autem eamdem suscipiunt rationem naturae, omnes enim ex anima et corpore compositi sunt, et omnes naturam animae participant et substantiam corporis possident, communem speciem plurimarum et differentium personarum, unam naturam dicimus uniuscujusque scilicet personae duas naturas scilicet habentis, et in duabus perfecte naturis existentis, scilicet animae et corporis. In Domino autem Jesu Christo non est communem accipere speciem; non enim factus est, non est, nec aliquando fiet alius, sed Christus ex divinitate et humanitate, in deitate et humanitate Deus perfectus est, idem et homo perfectus. »

Hic Joannem Damascenum idem dicere et sentire putant, quod Christo non convenit haec species homo: unde confidentius dicunt quod non erat substantialiter homo, non aliquid secundum quod homo. Sed si diligentius totam seriem auctoritatis hujus inspicerent, hoc solum hic doceri liquido comperirent, quod sicut omnis species sive una natura est in omnibus et in singulis hominibus, eo quod homines etiam singuli in duabus perfecte naturis existunt, animae scilicet et corporis: non ita est in Christo communem speciem sive unam naturam accipere, sed quia ex divinitate consistit et humanitate; unde subdit, neque enim factus est, etc., quibus non bene ostendit quod Christus est Deus et homo, non esse commune ei cum aliis. Alioquin si hoc dicere et probare voluit quod haec species homo non convenit Christo, hac ratione qua illud probat, probari similiter posset quod divinitas non convenit Christo. Sicut enim non est tantum homo, ita nec est tantum Deus, sed perfectus homo et perfectus Deus. Videtur autem potius contra haereticos disputare, qui dicebant esse unam speciem sive naturam in Christo ex duabus composita. Unde idem Joannes: « Inconverse et inalterabiliter unitae sunt ad invicem naturae, neque divina distante a propria simplicitate, neque humana, aut conversa in divinitatis naturam, aut in non existentiam divisa, neque ex duabus una facta composita natura. Composita enim natura neutri earum ex quibus componitur naturis homousia, id est consubstantialis esse potest, ex altero perficiens alterum, ut corpus ex quatuor elementis compositum non ignis nominatur, nec terra, nec aer, nec aqua, nec horum alicui homousion dicitur. Si ergo, secundum haereticos, Christus unius compositae naturae post unionem exstitit, ex simplici natura conversus est in compositam, et neque Patri simplicis naturae existenti, neque matri est homousios, neque Deus, neque homo denominabitur, sed Christus solum; et erit haec natura scilicet Christus, non personae ipsius natura, sed unius secundum eos compositae naturae. Nos autem Christum non unius compositae naturae dogmatizamus, et haec natura, scilicet Christus, personae dicimus non monotropos, id est uno modo dictum, sed duarum naturarum esse significatum, scilicet deitatis et humanitatis. Ex deitate autem et humanitate Deum perfectum et hominem perfectum eumdem esse et dici ex duabus et in duabus naturis confitemur. » Ecce hic plane ostendit, quod haec natura Christus non significat unam compositam naturam, sed duas naturas et unam personam duarum naturarum.

Unde supra dixit: In Domino Jesu Christo non est communem speciem accipere, scilicet unam compositam naturam ex deitate et humanitate. Aut forte ideo dixit: In Christo non est communem speciem accipere: species enim est totum esse individuorum et commune omnibus suis individuis. Haec vero species homo non est totum esse Christi, quia Deus est et homo, quod non est ei commune cum aliis. Non enim factus est, etc. Boetius vero contra Eutychen et Nestorium duas naturas in Christo, duas dicit esse specificas differentias, ac si diceret substantiales. Nec enim Deus species est, nec divinitas specifica differentia, nec etiam propria differentia cum sit substantia. Humanitas vero multo rectius specifica differentia, sive substantialis qualitas, qua substantia dici potest. Quod tamen illi asserunt, qui humanitatem in Christo non naturam vel proprietatem quae sit ei communis cum aliis hominibus, sed vel animam, vel carnem, vel haec duo simul intelligunt. Sed de his suo loco disputabitur. Ecce Boetius specificam differentiam, scilicet divinitatem dicit convenire Christo; quod si specifica differentia ei convenit, et ipsa species eidem convenit. Quoniam itaque omnia quae propositae veritati repugnare videntur, facillime dissolvuntur, confidenter asserendum est quod Christus essentialiter et substantialiter est homo, sicut essentialiter et substantialiter est Deus; et ita secundum quod Deus est aliquid, et secundum quod homo est aliquid. Quod autem secundum has duas naturas sit aliud et aliud, sacris auctoritatibus et solidissimis fundamentis innitur.

===CAP. X.&lt;br&gt;===
Quod Christus est aliud et aliud.

Augustinus super Joannem: « Aliud est Verbum Dei, aliud homo; sed Verbum caro factum est, id est homo. Non itaque alia Verbi, alia hominis persona, quoniam uterque Christus et una persona. » Idem ad Felicianum: « Aliud Dei Filius, aliud hominis filius, sed non alius. » Item: « Dei Filius aliud de Patre, aliud de matre. » Item Leo papa: « Christus etsi unum manet ab aeternitate, aliud tamen coepit esse in tempore; quae tamen in unitate conveniunt, nec separationem possunt habere, nec finem. » Item Augustinus De Trinitate: « Forma Dei accepit formam servi, uterque Deus, uterque homo; sed uterque Deus propter accipientem Deum, uterque homo propter acceptum hominem. » Idem in libro De Trinitate: « Cum legitur caro Verbum factum, intelligo verum Dei Filium, in carne agnosco verum hominis filium, uterque simul unam personam Deum et hominem ineffabilis gratiae largitate conjunctam. » Idem super Joannem: « Utrumque novimus in Christo, et unde aequalis est Patri, et unde illo major est Pater. Illud Verbum est, illud caro; illud Deus est, illud homo; et unus est Christus Deus et homo. » Idem super Joannem: Qui credit in me, etc. « Quia homo apparebat, Deus in homine latebat, ne putarent eum hoc tantum esse quod videbant. Vult se credi talem tantum, qualis et quantus est Pater. » Idem super psalmum illum: Exaltabo te, Domine, quoniam suscepisti me, « Christus nec Deus tantum, nec homo est, sicut diversi haeretici dogmatizaverunt, sed verus Deus, et verus homo; non duo tamen, sed unus est Christus. » Item Augustinus in Enchiridion: « Christus Jesus Deus de Deo est, homo autem est natus de Spiritu sancto ex Maria Virgine; utraque substantia, divina scilicet et humana, Filius unicus Dei Patris omnipotentis, ex quo procedit uterque unus; sed aliud propter Verbum, aliud propter hominem, non duo filii Deus et homo, sed unus Dei Filius, Deus sine initio, homo a certo initio. » Idem super Joannem: « Agnoscamus geminam substantiam Christi, divinam scilicet, qua aequalis est Patri, et humanam qua major est Pater; utrumque autem simul non duo, sed unus est Christus. » Idem in libro De fide ad Petrum: « Firmissime tene et nullatenus dubites, Dei Verbum quod caro factum est, duas naturas inconfusibiliter permanere; unam divinam, quam habet cum Patre communem; alteram humanam secundum quam dicit: Pater major me est. » Item in libro De Trinitate: « Cum Filius sit Deus et homo, alia substantia Deus, alia homo. Idem super Joannem: Anima et corpus duae res sunt, sed unus est homo; Verbum et homo duae res sunt, sed unus Christus. » Item Boetius contra Eutychen et Nestorium: « Si hominem Christum intelligas, idem est Deus atque homo, quoniam natura Deus est, homo assumptione, suntque in eo gemina natura, gemina substantia, quoniam homo et Deus una persona est, quoniam idem homo atque Deus. » Sed hic insurgunt qui contra nos sunt, quia dicit Boetius: « Deus est Deus natura, homo assumptione, » ac si dictum sit, quod Christus sit natura Deus, homo vero non natura, sed assumptione, quod non est verum. Ideo ita distinxit Boetius quod Deus est natura, et non ex assumptione, homo vero ita est natura quod assumptione. Sicut dicitur Deus est Deus natura, Salvator est gratia, quia quod Deus est, hoc est solius naturae; quod Salvator, hoc est naturae ita quod gratiae. Si respondeant ipsi: Quomodo homo Christus homo est ex natura, Deus est autem ex assumptione? Non homo Christus, id est Christus habens hominem est habens hominem ex natura et Deus ex assumptione; imo potius est Deus ex natura, homo ex assumptione. Quanto igitur verius est quod nos cum Boetio sentimus, quia homo ille homo est ex natura sua, sed Deus ex assumptione, id est quia a Deo in unitatem personae assumptus est, et idem ipse Deus est; Deus est ex propria natura, sed homo ex assumptione, id est quia hominem assumpsit. Assumptio autem non excludit naturam, sed modum insinuat habendi naturam; qui per naturam aeternam Deus est, per naturam ex tempore assumptam homo est. Ex praemissis liquido demonstratur quod Christus est aliud et aliud, et quod alia est et alia substantia: unde patet quod secundum quod homo est aliquid, et secundum quod Deus est aliud. Similiter secundum quod homo est aliqua substantia, et secundum quod Deus est alia substantia. Alioquin si Christus non est aliud et aliud, Christus non est Deus et homo. Si enim Christus est Deus et non aliud, Christus est tantum Deus; item, si Christus est homo et non aliud, Christus est tantum homo; ergo si Christus est Deus et non aliud, vel homo et non aliud, Christus non est Deus et homo. Si Christus est Deus et homo, ergo Christus est Deus et aliud, et homo est et aliud; quare Christus est aliud et aliud.

===CAP. XI.&lt;br&gt;===
Quaedam quae his videntur contraria.

Augustinus in Enchiridion: « Quae bona voluntas et quae bona opera praecesserunt, quibus mereretur ille homo fieri una persona cum Deo? Nunquid antea fuit homo, et hoc ei singulare beneficium praestitum est, ut singulariter promereretur Deum? Nempe ex quo homo esse coepit, non aliud coepit esse homo quam Dei Filius, et hoc unicus, et propterea Dei Verbum; quia ab illo suscepta caro facta est utique Deus, aut quemadmodum est una persona quilibet homo, anima scilicet rationalis et caro: ita sit Christus una persona Deus et homo? » Item Hilarius in libro De Trinitate: « Quaero an filius hominis idem sit et Filius Dei, et cur alius non sit Filius hominis, et aliud Filius Dei, Verbum caro factum. Et eum qui Filius Dei est, ipse et hominis sit filius, requiro quis in hoc filio hominis, qui et Filius Dei est, glorificatus sit. » Hoc autem absque privilegio ita solvi posse conjicimus, ut sicut Augustinus de personis dicit tria pro tres; ita et hic aliud ponatur pro alius, quod patet in prosecutione. Augustinus etiam ita concludit sententiam: « Una persona Deus et homo, » non dicit una substantia vel una natura. Similiter accipitur illud Hilarii, vel quia non dicit Hilarius simpliciter, cum aliud non sit filius hominis, neque aliud Filius Dei, sed mox addit: « Verbum caro factum. » Non negat quin aliud sit filius hominis, aliud sit Filius Dei, sed dicit quod non aliud homo Christus, aliud Deus homo. Cum enim dicitur aliud Deus, aliud homo, differentia naturarum ostenditur, cum vero dicitur Deus homo, sive Verbum caro, ita personae unitas exprimitur, ut utraque natura designetur; unde non est dicendum aliud filius hominis, aliud Filius Dei Verbum caro, ne praeter divinam et humanam tertia natura intelligatur in Christo. Vel ideo dicitur, non est aliud Filius Dei, aliud Filius Dei hominis; quia nihil est Filius Dei quod non sit filius hominis; nec e converso, licet Filius Dei sit unum et aliud, et filius hominis sit unum et aliud. Sicut non est alterius naturae Filius Dei quam filius hominis; cum tamen et filius hominis et Filius Dei sit unius et alterius naturae. Quod vero dicitur alibi: Aliud est Filius Dei, aliud filius hominis, ita accipiendum est: aliud Filius Dei secundum quod Filius Dei, aliud est filius hominis secundum quod filius hominis, non quod aliquid sit Filius Dei quod non sit filius hominis, vel e converso. Vel ita: Aliud est Filius Dei, aliud est filius hominis, id est alia est haec natura, alia est illa. Saepe enim essentialia pro personalibus et personalia pro essentialibus posita reperiuntur.

Item Hieronymus in epistola illa: Cogitis me, o Paula et Eustochium, ait: « Altitudinem tanti mysterii diligenter intelligere et videre non potuerunt, qui autem duos filios, certe aut aliud Christum quam Dei Filium aestimavere. » Hic videtur Hieronymus cum illis sentire qui dixerunt, quod Christus nihil aliud est quam Deus, nihil aliud quam Dei Filius, et ita non est Christus aliud et aliud. Possumus et hic dicere quod genus pro genere posuit; unde et quidam libri planius alium non aliud, vel quia haec auctoritas duas haereses percutit: unam illorum qui dicunt duas personas velut duas naturas esse in Christo, et ideo asserunt duos esse filios, alium Dei Filium, alium hominis filium, alteram illorum qui Christum tantum creaturam credunt esse. Illud sic intelligendum videtur. Aliud Christum quam Dei Filium existimavere. Aliud omnino quam Dei Filium, id est disparatum, sed hoc solummodo quod non est Dei Filius; creaturam enim tantum et non Dei Filium putaverunt; contra quos illud pervulgatum est, Filius a Patre solo est, non factus, nec creatus, sed genitus. Item in eadem epistola: « Sitivit Deus ac potavit in utero Virginis sine sui corruptione misceri atque uniri, ut unus esset Christus Deus et homo; ut una esset persona, unaque substantia; » ubi notandum quod multi hodie corrupte legunt pro subsistentia substantia, cum ipse Hieronymus sic accipiat substantiam sicut Graeci hypostasim; substantiam vero sive essentiam, sicut illi usiam, quod ex ipsa lectione totius epistolae cuilibet legenti manifestum est. Verumtamen si quis librorum multitudini credendum existimat quod Hieronymus ita scripserit, una persona unaque substantia, substantiam pro subsistentia, id est pro persona, secundum Graeci sermonis idioma, incunctanter accipiat; unde Augustinus in quinto libro De Trinitate: « Plerique nostrorum, qui Graeco tractant eloquio, dicere consueverunt mian usian tres hypostases, quod est Latine unam essentiam tres substantias. Sed quia nostra loquendi consuetudo jam obtinuit, ut hoc intelligatur cum dicimus essentiam quod intelligitur cum dicimus substantiam, non audemus dicere unam essentiam et tres substantias, sed unam essentiam, vel substantiam, tres autem personas. » Item in VII: « Loquendi causa de ineffabilibus ut fari aliquo modo possemus, dictum est a Graecis una essentia et tres substantiae, id est una usia, tres hypostases. Aliter enim Graeci accipiunt substantiam quam Latini. A Latinis enim dictum est una essentia vel substantia, tres personae. Quia non aliter in sermone nostro, id est Latino, essentia quam substantia solet intelligi. Quod si Hieronymus unam solam in Christo substantiam assereret, id est naturam sive essentiam, non modo aliis catholicis, sed et sibi contrarius esset. Ait enim in Expositione fidei Catholicae: « Sic confitemur in Christo unam Filii esse personam, ut dicamus duas perfectas et integras esse substantias, id est Deitatis et humanitatis, quae ex anima continetur et corpore. » Cui auctoritati miror magistrum Petrum Lombardum istud subscripsisse.

Ecce hic aperte ostendit humanitatis nomine animam et corpus intelligi. Errant igitur qui nomine humanitatis non substantiam, sed proprietatem quamdam, a qua homo nominatur significari contendunt. Hoc vero, si Hieronymus sentiret, non duas diceret, sed tres substantias. Humanitatis enim quam dixit ex anima contineri et corpore, si non esset aliqua natura, id est substantialis proprietas, sed substantia, vel corpus est, vel anima, cum ex his, ut aiunt, in Christo aliquid constare non possit, sed nec corpus, nec anima ex corpore continetur et anima; unde dicimus hanc auctoritatem potius intelligendam sic: Confitemur in Christo unam Filii esse personam, ut dicamus duas perfectas et integras esse substantias, id est deitatis et humanitatis, hoc est Dei et hominis, qui homo ex anima continetur et corpore. Vel aliter duas substantias, id est duas naturas, id est deitatis et humanitatis intransitive, id est quae sunt deitas et humanitas: quae humanitas continetur ex anima et corpore, id est ex natura animae et ex natura corporis; humanitas enim est natura composita ex natura corporis et ex natura animae. Quae est autem illa substantia, quam magister Petrus dicit humanitatis nomine significari? qua enim ratione animam magis quam corpus, aut corpus magis quam animam significat? Quare humanitas Christi non est aliquid, sed aliqua? Item, cum dicitur, humanitas Christi est anima, humanitas Christi est corpus, humanitas Christi est corpus et anima: idem est corpus quod anima, et idem est corpus quod corpus et anima. Sed hae locutiones verae sunt, et in eis idem supponitur. Et idem est anima quod corpus et anima. Sed humanitas Christi est unum numero; ergo, si ipsa est anima, non est corpus; et, si ipsa est corpus, non est anima. Item, humanitas Christi est sola una substantia, ergo ipsa non est anima et corpus; quod si aliud hic subditur, humanitas Christi est corpus, aliud hic humanitas Christi est anima, et non est una humanitas, nec unum aliquid quod sit corpus Christi et anima, vel ex illis constans, potius dicendum esset Christus trium naturarum quam duarum, tres enim sunt naturae: natura divina, natura animae, natura corporis, et dicendus esset trinae substantiae potius quam geminae. Errant ergo potius qui nomine humanitatis substantialem proprietatem a qua homo nominatur, significari negant; sed sicut praediximus, vel in scriptis suis vel in disputationibus asseruisse magister Petrus credebatur, postea nobis non asserenda, sed studiosius disserenda reliquit vel discutienda. Est ergo Christus aliud et aliud, et alia et alia substantia, alioquin si tantum esset divina substantia, non esset animalis nec corpus.

===CAP. XII.&lt;br&gt;===
Auctoritates quibus probatur quod Christus est animal et corpus.

Quod autem Christus sit animal dicit Beda super Marcum: Aliud non manufactum aedificabo. « Dominus dixit: Suscitabo vivum animal, significans et spirans templum. » Item, quod sit corpus, id est corporea substantia, dicit Hieronymus super alium locum in Evangelio Matthaei: Et descendens Petrus de navicula, etc. « Ecce Petrus super aquas ambulat. Ne ergo dubites Christum unum corpus esse, etsi super aquas ambulat. » Item, tristitiam sic assumpsit quomodo et carnem Christus voluntate non necessitate; fuit enim tristis, ut Evangelium dicit. Si enim tristis non fuit, cum Evangelium dicat: Tristis est anima usque ad mortem ; ergo quando dicit: Dormivit Jesus, non dormivit; vel cum dicitur manducasse, non manducavit. Et ita nihil sanum relinquitur, ut etiam dicatur quia corpus non erat Christus. Item super Lucam: Corpus Christi granum sinapis, quia accipiens Joseph in horto sepelivit, quod postea in resurrectione et ascensione crevit, expandit ramos praedicatores scilicet per totum mundum mittens. Hic autem corpus Christi non videtur accipiendum de parte hominis, quae cum anima constituit hominem. Illa enim non misit praedicatores, sed illud totum, illa scilicet corporea substantia quae est quoddam totum suum compositum, quod est Christus. Nemo autem sanctis doctoribus insultet propter illud documentum Aristotelis: Latent autem quandoque totum in partes ponentes, ut animal corpus sensibile. Nullo enim modo pars de toto praedicatur; quare non erit corpus genus animalis, eo quod pars est. Hic enim garriunt multi quod nullus homo sit corpus, ac si melius ista intelligant quam Porphyrius et Boetius et alii omnes sive interpretes Aristotelis, sive expositores nec attendunt quod corpus multipliciter accipitur. Aliquando enim significat quamdam continuam quantitatem, aliquando idem quod corporea substantia, aliquando partem animalis, quae cum anima constituit animal, aliquando cadaver, aliquando collectionem quamdam, ut, cum dicitur: populus est unum corpus. Contra illos loquitur Aristoteles qui partem animalis dicebant genus animalis. Fuerunt qui dicerent quod animal nihil aliud esset quam corpus animalis. Alii vero dicebant quod animal nihil aliud esset quam anima animalis; unde usquecunque non est quis, cui erat contraria sententia corpus cujusque hoc est . . . utique, sicut ab eruditis accepimus, apud Graecos manifestum est quod in illa definitione corpus sensibile, prout eam reprehendit Aristoteles, in uno vocabulo non solum omnium corporum, sed pars animalis intelligenda sit. Quod vero Christus secundum humanitatem sit quoddam totum, tam auctoritatibus quam rationibus probatur.

===CAP. XIII.&lt;br&gt;===
Quod Christus sit aliquid totum sive compositum.

Augustinus super Joannem: « Dominus Jesus Christus totum quod videbatur, et tenebatur, et crucifigebatur. Num totum hoc ipse est? Ipse est quidem, sed non totus. Illud quod viderunt Judaei, non hoc totus Christus. Et quid est? In principio erat Verbum. » Idem in eodem: « Quia homo constat ex carne et anima, totus autem homo in Christo; non enim partem deteriorem suscepisset, et partem meliorem deseruisset. Pars quippe hominis melior est anima, quam corpus. Quia ergo totus homo in Christo, quid est Christus, inquam? Verbum et homo. Quid Verbum et homo? Verbum, anima et caro? » Item, Joannes Chrysostomus: « Quia ergo pueri communicaverunt carni et sanguini, et ipse similiter participavit eisdem, id est pueris, quia factus est puer constans ex carne et anima. » Item Augustinus super Joannem: « Verbum caro factum est, id est Deus homo factus est in anima rationali et carne. Usus namque Scriptura est aliquando per solam animam totum significare hominem, aliquando per solam carnem. Per solam animam, ut: Descendit Jacob in Aegyptum in LXX animabus, per solam carnem, ut Isaias: Et videbit caro salutare Dei. Sic ergo dictum est, Verbum caro factum est, quasi diceretur Deus homo factus est. » Idem: Accedit homo ad Deum et fit una persona, ut non sit semideus, quasi ex parte Dei Deus, et ex parte hominis homo, sed totus Deus et totus homo. » Item Hilarius: « Homini acquirebatur ut Deus esset, nunquid divinitati ejus? nunquid animae vel carni? non utique, sed homini constanti ex utroque. » Idem: « Christum non ambigimus esse Deum Verbum, neque rursum filium hominis ex anima et corpore constitisse ignoramus. » Hieronymus in Expositione catholicae fidei: « Sed confitemur in Christo unam Filii esse personam, ut dicamus duas perfectas et integras esse substantias, id est deitatis et humanitatis, quae ex anima continetur et corpore. » Item Anastasius [l. Athanasius]: « Maledictus qui totum hominem quem assumpsit Dei Filius, denuo assumptum et liberatum tertia die a mortuis resurrexisse non confitetur. Fiat, fiat. » Idem: « Perfectus Deus, perfectus homo ex anima rationali et humana carne subsistens. »

===CAP. XIV:&lt;br&gt;===
Rationes quibus idem probatur.

Christus habet corpus humanum, illud constat ex partibus suis; ergo illae partes sunt partes Christi, vel alicujus quod est Christus. Item, Christus habet membra humana, caput, brachia, etc.; illa sunt membra Christi, ergo sunt partes Christi. Item, cum Christus sit homo, aut est homo habens partes, aut non habens; si nullas habet partes, cum naturale sit homini habere partes, Christus caret partibus; si caret omnibus partibus hominis, caret corpore et anima, quod absit! Item, aliqua est statura Christi, quae non est, nec esse potest rei simplicis; ergo Christus est aliqua res composita. Item, Christus major est secundum tres dimensiones corporis aliquo composito; ergo aut aliquod simplex secundum has tres dimensiones majus est aliquo composito, aut Christus est aliquod compositum. Item, si Christus sine incremento membrorum suorum non crevit, sine incremento partium suarum non crevit; ergo aliqua pars ejus crevit, ergo erat aliquod totum, sive aliquod compositum. Mira autem hebetudo hominum qui non attendunt, quod non aliquis, non digitus hominis possit esse, quin sit aliquod compositum; quanto minus totus homo et integer potest esse, quin sit aliquod compositum: nec nos praeterit Christum aliter dici totum sive compositum.

===CAP. XV.&lt;br&gt;===
Rationes ad idem.

Augustinus in libro Sententiarum Prosperi: « Christi persona constat et conficitur ex Deo et homine, cum ipse Christus unus sit Deus et verus sit homo. » Idem in libro De Trinitate: « Ex utraque substantia divinitatis et humanitatis unus atque idem est Deus, Dei et hominis Filius Jesus Christus, ut Deus verus, ita et homo verus. » Item: « Sic Deo conjungi potuit humana natura, ut ex duabus substantiis fieret una persona; atque per hoc constat ex tribus, Deo, anima et carne. » Item Joannes Damascenus: « In Domino nostro Jesu Christo duas naturas cognoscimus, unam autem hypostasim, ex utraque compositam. Incarnatus est ergo Christus ex Virgine assumens primitias nostrae massae, ut ipsa exstiterit carnis hypostasis quae Dei Verbi hypostasis, et composita facta fuerit, quae prius simplex Verbi hypostasis; composita vero ex duabus perfectis naturis, deitate et humanitate. » Idem: « Confitemur has duas naturas unitas invicem in unam hypostasim compositam Filii Dei. » Idem: « Ex deitate et humanitate Deum perfectum et hominem perfectum, eumdem et esse et dici ex duabus et in duabus naturis confitemur. » Item Augustinus: « Sicut est Christus veritas, ut dum totum accipias, verum est Verbum, vera anima, vera caro, verus Deus, verus homo. » Idem: « Non tantum Verbum Dei et hominis caro, sed etiam rationalis hominis anima, atque hoc totum, et Deus propter Deum, et homo propter hominem. » Item Boetius in libro contra Eutychen et Nestorium: « Si Dei atque hominis diversa substantia est, unumque in utrisque Christi nomen, non diversarum conjunctio substantiarum unam credimur fecisse personam; aequivocum est nomen Christi, et nulla potest diffinitione concludi. Quibus autem Scripturis nunquam Christi nomen generatur? Quid novi per adventum Salvatoris effectum est? Nam catholicis et fidei veritas et raritas miraculi constat; quam enim magnum est, quamque novum, quod semel, et nullo alio saeculo possit evenire, ut ea quae solus Deus est natura, cum humana, quae ab ea diversissima erat, conveniret, atque ita ex distantibus naturis una fieret copulatione persona. » Secundum vero Nestorii sententiam quid contigit novi? « Servat, inquit, proprias divinitas humanitasque personas; quando enim non fuit divinitatis propria humanitatisque persona? quando vero non erit? » Et post pauca: « Quod si nulla ex homine atque Deo una persona conjuncta est, ergo omnes sanctos, scilicet homines. »

====Epilogatio praecedentium.====

In his, ut dixi, longe aliter accipitur totum, sive compositum quam supra. Ibi enim dicitur Christum esse totum, et constare et compositum esse, sicut ex partibus, et hoc secundum humanitatem solam; hic vero non sicut ex partibus, sed sicut ex naturis, quod non significat hic alicujus rei integralem constitutionem, sicut frequentius, sed diversarum naturarum personalem solummodo unionem. Quod Augustinus dedit intelligere in illa auctoritate: « Christi persona constat et conficitur ex Deo et homine. » Mox enim subjecit: « Cum ipse Christus verus sit Deus et verus homo, » ac si diceret, hoc ideo dicimus, quia una persona Christi est duarum naturarum. Nunc quia illi, adversus quos nobis est sermo, impium putant et haereticum, quicunque qualibet ratione dixerit Christum factum esse vel creatum, vel creaturam aliquam; super his sanctorum patienter audiant testimonia, omni exceptione et contradictione majora.

===CAP. XVI.&lt;br&gt;===
Auctoritates ad idem.

Apostolus: Qui factus est ei ex semine David. Item: Factum ex muliere. Item: Inducite novum hominem qui secundum Deum creatus est, quod Haimo de Christo exponit. Item Haimo: « Non de Verbo loquitur Apostolus, sed de homine qui non erat antequam esset factus. » Leo in sermone illo Exsultemus in Domino: « Nativitatem, inquit, pueri in salutem humani generis procreati. » Augustinus contra Maximianum: « Deus Domini nostri Jesu Christi Christus secundum hominem de Virgine natus est, ut non solum illi Pater esset qui eum genuit, sed etiam ejus Deus esset quem de ventre matris hominem creavit. » Idem super Joannem: « Quomodo creavit Mariam et creatus est per Mariam; sic dedit baptismum Joanni, et post baptizatus est a Joanne. In eodem magna misericordia Domini nostri Jesu Christi factum eum esse in tempore propter nos, per quem facta sunt tempora, factum esse inter omnia per quem facta sunt omnia, factum eum esse quod fecit; factus est enim homo qui hominem fecerat, ne periret quod fecerat. » Hieronymus super Jeremiam: Creavit Deus novum super terram, Nota, inquit, quod nativitas Salvatoris et conceptio Dei dicitur creatio in libro Sapientiae. Primum omnium creata est, quod sic exponitur: creata secundum humanitatem in consilio Dei Patris, scilicet pro salute humani generis praedestinata est incarnari. » Ubi mox subditur: « Notandum autem quod propter unitatem personae aliquando Christus dicitur genitus, aliquando creatus. » Augustinus De Trinitate: « Est ergo Deus, id est divina essentia vel Trinitas caput Christi secundum quod homo; quia divinitas, utpote creatrix, caput est creaturae assumptae. Hac interpretatione non pietas Filii minuitur, sed misericordia praedicatur. » Item super haec verba Apostoli: Attendite vobis ne quis seducat vos per philosophiam et inanem fallaciam. Augustinus: « Tradiderunt namque philosophi Deum non posse fieri creaturam, hominem non posse nasci de Virgine, vel mortuum reviviscere. » Leo in alia homilia: « O mira et exquisita propago! O nova et incredita conjunctio! Deus qui est et qui erat creator, fit creatura, qui immensus est capitur, divites constituens pauper efficitur, in corpore vestitur. » Item Augustinus in libro De Trinitate: « Factum quippe creaturam per quem omnis creatura facta est, omnem creaturam testem habere oportebat. » Item De Trinitate: « Pertinebat ad justitiam bonitatemque Creatoris, ut per eamdem creaturam rationalem superaretur diabolus, quam se superasse gaudebat, et de ipso genere venientem, quod genus origine vitiata per iram tenebat universum. » Idem: In ipso habitat omnis plenitudo divinitatis corporaliter, « omnis, id est omni modo habitandi, ut etiam personaliter sit unita, quod non est in alia creatura. » Idem: « Pater major me est. Non carni suae solum, sed etiam menti quam gerebat humanae Deum Patrem praeferebat; quae tota sine dubio agnoscitur forma servi, quoniam servit tota creatura Creatori. » Idem in libro De Trinitate: Qui in me credit, non in me credit. « Quomodo in ipsum? quomodo non in ipsum? quomodo tantum contrarium sibique adversum potest intelligi? Qui in me credit, non in hoc quod videt credit, ne sit spes nostra in creatura; sed in illo qui suscepit creaturam, in qua humanis oculis appareret. » Hieronymus super Marcum: « Mansit super eum Spiritus, hoc est unctio Christi secundum carnem, de qua dicitur: Unxit te Deus, Deus tuus, oleo laetitiae, etc., oleum non potest esse sub aqua, nec creator sub creatura. » Ecce comparat hic Hieronymus spiritum oleo, hominem Christum aquae; unde vult ostendere convenienter dictum, mansit super eum Spiritus, non sub ea; quia sicut non potest oleum esse sub aqua, ita nec Spiritus creator sub Christo creatura. Item Augustinus in Sermone De physicis: « Non te offendat quod ait factum, cum confiteamur natum; factum enim non confitemur nisi hominem. Deus autem semper faciens est. Fieri nescit, ut sit, sed fit, ut aliquid alicui, sicut dicitur: Domine, refugium factus es nobis. Quando factus est, qui nunquam factus est? Dominus autem Jesus Christus factus est, ut esset homo; ut qui creator semper erat, creatura esset; manens Deus, factus est homo, ut fieret quod non erat, ut non periret quod erat. Factum ergo dicit propter susceptionem creaturae. » Idem super Joannem: « Cum tradiderit regnum Deo et Patri, Deo creatori suo in quantum est homo, et Patri suo in quantum est Deus. » Item Isaias: Rorate, coeli, desuper, etc., usque Ego Dominus creavi eum. Item Augustinus: Unxit te Deus, Deus tuus ; « ex Graeco patet et ita intelligendum. O Deus, Deus tuus, id est creator tuus. » Idem: « Et pro eis sanctifico meipsum, id est ego me hominem sanctifico, in me Verbo quod est ab initio creationis suae, quando Verbum caro factum est. »

===CAP. XVII.&lt;br&gt;===
Auctoritates quae videntur esse contrariae.

Hae omnes auctoritates manifeste declarant quod Christus sit factus, sive creatus, sive creatura; licet aliqua Scripturarum testimonia, si facie tenus inspecta, contrarietatem quamdam praetendant. Augustinus: « Non est creatura per quem facta est omnis creatura. » Item: « In principio erat Verbum, non in principio fecit Verbum quomodo coelum et terram. Ecce quia non est creatura. » Item in primo libro De Trinitate: Omnia per ipsum facta sunt. » Liquido apparet ipsum factum non esse per quem facta sunt omnia; et, si factus non est, creatura non est, » etc. Idem: « Non assumes nomen Dei tui in vanum. Nomen ejus non debet in vanum accipi, ut putemus eum factum, per quem omnia facta sunt. » Item, Ambrosius in primo libro De Trinitate: « Probemus, inquit, creatum esse Dei Filium. Ubi sunt qui creaturam Christum appellant? Nam si creatus esset, subditus esset vanitati. Non ergo Christus creatura est, quia, attestante Apostolo, omnis creatura subjecta est vanitati. » Item Anastasius [l. Athanasius]: « Non factus, non creatus, sed genitus. Hanc autem contrarietatem quae videtur, facile est solvere secundum regulam illam Augustini in libro De Trinitate. Quapropter, inquit, cognita ista regula intelligendarum Scripturarum de Filio Dei, ut intelligamus quid in eis sonet secundum formam Dei, in qua aequalis est Patri, et quid secundum formam servi quam accepit, in qua minor est Patre. » Non conturbamur tanquam contrariis ac repugnantibus inter se sanctorum librorum sententiis. Nam secundum formam Dei aequalis est Patri et Filius et Spiritus sanctus, quia neuter eorum est creatura; secundum autem formam servi minor est Patre; quia ipse dixit Pater major me est. Minor est seipso, quia seipsum exinanivit; minor Spiritu sancto, quia ipse dixit: In Spiritu Dei ejicio daemonia. Et iterum: Spiritus Domini, inquit, super me. Secundum formam Dei omnia per ipsum facta sunt, secundum formam servi ipse factus est ex muliere factus sub lege, etc. Hanc itaque, . . . tanquam utilem regulam sequentes dicimus quia omnes auctoritates, quibus affirmatur Christum creatum sive creaturam esse, ad humanitatem ejus referendae sunt; quibuscunque vero hujusmodi aliquid negatur, ad divinitatem ipsius referri non dubitetur. Unde ipse Augustinus in eodem: « Quid vero de ipso propter quid, et quid secundum quid dicatur, adjuvante Domino, prudens et diligens et pius lector intelligat. » Hinc etiam Gregorius Surrexit, non est hic : « Non est hic, inquit, per praesentiam carnis, qui tamen nusquam deest per praesentiam majestatis. Ecce et ibi erat secundum divinitatem, et ibi non erat secundum humanitatem. »

Si quis ergo hanc regulam diligenter inspiciat, videbit in talibus nullam esse contrarietatem sive contradictionem. Maxime autem et auctoritates et rationes quibus probant sancti auctores sive doctores, Christum sive Dei Filium non esse creaturam contra Arianos facerent, qui dicunt Christum Filium Dei esse adoptivum, non genitum, sed factum et creatum. Magister Hugo de S. Victore istam reddit rationem quare Christus non sit creatura: « Hoc est, inquit, creaturam esse aliquid de nihilo esse, hoc est esse aliquid ex nihilo fuisse; non autem omnis qui aliquid incipit esse non incipit, quia incipit esse aliquid. Sicut qui aliquid esse desinit, non ideo desinit, quia aliquid esse desinit. Non ita aliquid esse desinit ut nihil sit, sed solum ut id quod esse desinit, jam non sit. Sicut non semper, qui aliquid esse incipit, quasi esse incipiat, ut aliquid sit, sed ut aliquid quod prius non fuit esse incipiat ut jam sit. Ita Christus quando esse incoepit, nec tamen aliquid ita esse incoepit quasi prius aliquid non fuisset; quia priusquam hoc fuit quod aliquando esse incoepit, fuit aliquid quod semper fuit, et nunquam coepit. » Et circa finem capituli subdit: « Paulus, inquit Ambrosius in libro De Trinitate, prohibet me creaturae servire, et Christo admonet serviendum. Non enim Christus fuit creatura. » Et post pauca: « Vide ergo quomodo Christum et factum et creatum, secundum aliquid affirmat, quem tamen creaturam esse negat. » In hoc capitulo venerabilis ille magister testatur quod Christus in tempore esse coepit aliquid quod prius non fuit, et quod Christus sit factus et creatus. Aliam autem ab ea quam praemisimus assignat rationem, quare Christus non sit dicendus creatura. Sed quia idem ipse Ambrosius cujus auctoritate nititur, sicut supra in proximo ostensum est, alibi asserit Christum creatum esse, et Augustinus et alii quilibet sancti doctores in hac assertione conveniunt; prior illa solutio secundum Regulam Augustini praeferenda videtur.

Sed adhuc objicitur: Si Christus est aliquid creatum, ergo est aliquid posterius et minus Patre; quod est contra illud: « In Trinitate nihil prius aut posterius, nihil majus aut minus. » Item, si Christus est aliquid creatum, est aliquid differens a Patre; in Trinitate autem nulla est differentia, nulla diversitas, sed convenientia et prima unitas. Similiter, Christus est alicujus naturae creatae; ergo est posterioris et minoris naturae quam Pater. Item, est alicujus naturae creatae; ergo est alterius naturae quam Pater. Vel sic: Natura Filii est creata, quod non Patris, ergo natura Filii est differens a natura Patris. Haec omnia ergo et hujusmodi facile solvuntur secundum praedictam regulam Augustini: Quia enim Christus geminae naturae est, refert quid de Deo et secundum quid dicatur. Item Ambrosius: Si Christus fuit aliquid personaliter unitum, mortuo Christo illud fuit, aut non. Si Christo mortuo fuit, cum illud non esset nisi quoddam totum anima et carne compositum, illud totum sive compositum tunc fuit. Quod si illud unicum tunc non fuit per fruitionem Dei et personalem unionem, quam habuerat, amisit. Haec autem bona sine peccato mereri non potuit; ergo aut illud unitum peccavit, aut Deus injuste tali et tanto bono ipsum privavit. Possem hic dicere quod illud totum mirabiliter fuit in partibus separatis, sicut etiam localiter separatis, singulis hominibus, nihilominus est unus populus; et disgregatis singulis capitibus, nihilominus est unus grex; sicut et panis incisus non perit, sed in partibus suis existit; vino etiam in diversis vasis transfuso, in diversa manet illud vinum quod prius. Quid autem mirum si Christus divulsis partibus hominis, totus homo erat, quandoquidem et mortuus vivebat, et in morte, sicut ante, perfectus Deus et perfectus homo erat. Verisimilius est tamen quod secundum integritatem et totalitatem suam ad tempus esse desiit, sed in meliori statu tertia die resurrexit. Et hoc eadem justitia qua secundum bona merita nihilominus sancti, resolutis corporum et animarum vinculis, per multa etiam temporum curricula a gloria resurrectionis differuntur, quod autem totum aliquod ad tempus esse desierit, videtur Anastasius de Christo sensisse: Qui, ait, maledictus qui totum hominem quem assumpsit Dei Filius denuo assumptum quod in morte fuit depositus, vel assumptum ideo dicit in resurrectione; tunc enim quem assumpserat in personam, assumpsit in gloriam; unde est illud pro assumptione matutina, id est pro resurrectione mane facta. Legitur etiam super illud in Evangelio Joannis Ego pono animam, etc. illud Augustini: « Verbum ex quo suscepit hominem, id est carnem et animam, nunquam deposuit animam, ut esset anima a Verbo separata, sed caro animam posuit quando exspiravit, qua redeunte, surrexit. Mors itaque ad tempus carnem et animam separavit, sed neutrum a Verbo Dei. » Ideo forte cum dixisset « suscepit hominem, » ita exposuit, id est carnem et animam, sed separavit neutrum a Verbo Dei. Ideo forte cum dixisset « suscepit hominem, » statim subjecit, id est carnem et animam, ne hoc quod sequitur, scilicet nunquam deposuit, de composito ex carne et anima intelligeretur, quod in triduo illo non fuit, nisi tropice dicatur fuisse in partibus, quia partes ejus etsi ab invicem separatae, in terra tamen fuerunt. Quid autem in talibus proprie, quid etiam tropice dici possit aut debeat, prudens et diligens lector intelligat. Potest etiam simplicius intelligi: Suscepit hominem, id est carnem et animam, ut hac expositione diversae haereses percellantur. Quidam enim dixerunt Deum tantum humanam animam accepisse, alii vero tantum humanam carnem, sed procul dubio, qui totum hominem fecit, ut totum reficeret, totum suscepit. Ideo cum dixisset Verbum suscepit hominem, ne quis nomine hominis audito, partem tantum hominis acciperet, addit: id est carnem et animam, non carnem sine anima, nec animam sine carne; quia sicut ait Augustinus: « Factus est pro nobis verus homo et plenus, in eo verus, quia veram habet humanam naturam; in eo vero plenus, quia carnem humanam suscepit et rationalem animam. » Relinquitur ergo firmum illud etiam indissolubile Christum ex tempore factum et creatum esse, unde et legitur quod Christus sive homo ille non semper fuerit.

===CAP. XVIII.&lt;br&gt;===
Auctoritates quibus probatur quod Christus non fuit semper.

Super illum psalmum Exaudiat te Deus » legitur auctoritas illa: « Dum ait laetabimur, magnificabimur, ostendit Propheta se unum de Ecclesia tanto tempore ante Christum. » Item Augustinus et alii sancti doctores unanimiter docent quod quaedam membra caput, id est Christum praecesserunt, quaedam secuta sunt, juxta illud: Et qui praeibant et qui sequebantur clamabant: Hosanna filio David. Si antiqui justi tempore Christum praecesserunt, ante Christum fuerunt. » Item Augustinus super Joannem: habuit aliquando Dei Filius . . . humanae. « Idem ipse hominis filius nondum erat homo, non semper fuit hominis filius, et postea coepit habere quod habuit Dei Filius, sed ex quo fuit, totum habuit quod Dei Filius, non semper habuit hominis filius quod fuit Dei Filius. » Idem: « Sic nos electi quomodo ille clarificatus, quia priusquam mundus esset nec nos eramus, nec ipse mediator Dei et hominum homo Christus Jesus. » Item Haimo: « Pater et Filius et Spiritus sanctus unus est Deus et Rex omnium saeculorum, scilicet praeteritorum, praesentium et futurorum. Homo vero assumptus a Verbo ex eo tempore rex est futurorum ex quo assumptus est a Verbo. Nam praeteritorum saeculorum non fuit rex homo ille quando erat. » Item Augustinus: « Christus naturaliter etsi forte homo est, recens est, tamen est aeternus Deus, si est homo recens, est homo qui non semper fuit. » Item Augustinus: « Ex quo homo esse coepit, ex illo est Deus. » Idem: « Creavit Virginem creandus ex Virgine. Si creavit, erat, si creandus, nondum erat. » Idem: « Ita ab initio fidei suae homo quicunque gratia fit Christianus, sicut gratia homo ille ab initio factus est Christus. Homo ille non ab initio temporis, non ab initio mundi, sed ab initio suo, hominis scilicet, factus est Christus. » Ergo homo ille habuit initium terrae, quare homo ille non semper fuit.

===CAP. XIX.&lt;br&gt;===
Auctoritates quae videntur contrariae.

Augustinus super Joannem: « Quomodo de mundo per quem factus est mundus, Deus de mundo post mundum facti sunt quia prius mundus, et sic homo de mundo, prius autem Christus, deinde mundus, quoniam ante mundum Christus, ante Christum nihil, quia in principio erat Verbum. » Item Isidorus: « Pauliani a Paulo Samosateno exorti sunt, qui dicunt non semper fuisse Christum, si a Maria sumpsisset exordium. » Alibi etiam legitur: « Puer ille creavit stellas. » Et ipse Christus: Ego principium qui loquor vobis.

====Solutiones.====

Harum contrarietatum similis est solutio ac praecedentium secundum regulam S. Augustini, ut auctoritates quae dicunt Christum sive hominem illum non semper fuisse, ad personam illam secundum humanitatem referantur; illae vero quae dicunt semper fuisse de eadem persona secundum divinitatem accipiantur. Potestque dici quod aliquando hoc nomen Christus sive per hunc sermonem homo ille significatur persona, aliquando substantia sive natura ipsius personae. Quando ergo dicitur Christus sive homo ille non semper fuit, substantia illa sive natura supponitur, quando vero dicitur Christus sive homo ille semper fuit, non natura humana vel divina sed persona subditur. Ad explanationem etiam horum verborum Deus est homo et homo est Deus, Deus est Deus et homo, homo est homo et Deus, Deus factus est homo, et homo factus est Deus, hujusmodi consideratio non erit inutilis, utrumque enim illorum nominum Deus et homo aliquando personam, aliquando naturam sive substantiam significat. Cum ergo dicitur Deus est homo, hoc dicitur quod persona divina est substantia humana, e converso cum dicitur homo est Deus, hoc dicitur quia substantia humana est persona divina. Cum vero dicitur Deus est Deus et homo, uni personae duae naturae attribuuntur. Similiter cum dicitur homo est homo et Deus, eidem personae eaedem duae naturae attribuuntur. Item, cum dicitur Deus factus est homo, hoc dicitur quod persona divina facta est substantia humana. Cum vero dicitur homo factus est Deus, hoc dicitur quod substantia humana facta sit persona divina. Non tamen nego frequenter his locutionibus unionem sive habitum, sive assumptionem figurate significari. Nunc vero sequestrata paulisper hujusmodi figura, proprios liceat distinguere intellectus; quando enim factus est homo aut substantia sive natura divina facta est substantia sive humana natura, aut persona divina facta est persona quae ipsa prius non fuerat, aut natura sive substantia divina facta est persona humana quae non semper fuerat, aut persona divina facta est natura sive substantia humana. Similiter quando homo factus est Deus, aut quaedam persona humana facta est persona divina, aut natura sive substantia humana facta est substantia divina, aut natura sive substantia humana facta est persona divina. Cum ergo impossibile sit utramque istarum naturarum sive alteram factam esse aliam, hoc enim fieri non posset, sine conversione vel confusione substantiae, quod esset contra illud Athanasii: « Unus autem non conversione divinitatis in carnem, sed assumptione humanitatis in Deo, unus omnino non confusione substantiae, sed unitate personae. » Cum etiam impossibile sit personam divinam et personam humanam vel alteram earum esse aliam, hoc enim nullatenus fieri posset, nisi permistione quadam utraque in alteram transiret, et altera pars esse desineret. Cum etiam haec impossibilia sint quod natura divina in Christo facta sit aliqua persona, et quod illa persona facta sit natura divina, hoc autem fieri non posset quin Christus unus et alius esset contra illud Athanasii: Cum sit Deus et homo, non duo tamen, sed unus est Christus. Cum haec, inquam, omnia impossibilia sint, haec duo verae et catholicae fidei relinquuntur, quod persona divina facta est natura humana, sive substantia humana facta est persona divina, et sic una persona est duae substantiae, et duae substantiae sunt una persona; alioquin nec Deus factus est homo et homo Deus, nec unus Christus est Deus et homo; quod vero in hac disputatione naturam et substantiam indifferenter accipimus, quemquam movere non debet. Boetius enim contra Eutychen et Nestorium naturam quadrupliciter describit. Prima descriptio sic assignatur: Natura est earum rerum, quae cum sint, quoquo modo intellectu capi possunt, hanc ait omnes res includere quae sunt. Secunda sic: Natura est vel quod facere vel quod pati possit. Habes, inquit, diffinitionem ejus significationis naturae qua tantum substantiis copulatur. Qua in re substantiae quoque reddita est diffinitio. Nam si nomen naturae substantiam monstrat, cum naturam descripsimus, substantiae quoque est assignata. Descriptio tertia proponitur hoc modo: Natura est motus principium secundum se, non per accidens. Hic vero, ut ipse ait, naturae nomen relictis incorporeis substantiis ad corporales usque contrahitur, ut corporeae tantum substantiae naturam habere videantur. Quarta etiam subditur: Natura est unamquamque rem informans specifica differentia. Cum tot modis dicatur et diffiniatur natura, tam Catholici quam Nestorius secundum ultimam diffinitionem duas in Christo naturas esse constituerunt. Neque enim easdem dicunt in Deum atque in hominem differentias convenire. Ecce, teste Boetio, aliquando nomine naturae intelligitur substantia. Augustinus super illum locum psalmi: Infixus sum in limo profundi et non est substantia. Substantia intelligitur id quod sumus a Deo: naturae ipsae substantiae dicuntur, ut homo, pecus, terra, coelum, et hujusmodi omnia; unde et in libro De Trinitate formam, id est naturam humanam, dicit esse personam Filii: « Forma, inquit, illa suscepti hominis Filii persona est, non etiam Patris. » Quapropter Pater invisibilis una cum Filio secum invisibili, eumdem Filium visibilem faciendo, eum misisse dictus est. Ecce formam sine dubio ita accepit, ac si diceret naturam; unde idem in libro De fide ad Petrum: « Cum de Christo audis quia in forma Dei erat, oportet te agnoscere firmissimeque tenere in illo formae nomine naturalem plenitudinem debere intelligi. In forma igitur Dei erat, de quo natus erat. » Idem, non aliud fuit illa Dei summi exinanitio, nisi formae servilis, id est naturae humanae susceptio. Utraque ergo in Christo est forma, quia utraque natura et plena est in Christo substantia divina et humana. Et hic pro eodem accepit formam et naturam sive substantiam. Hilarius quoque in libro De Trinitate ait: « Vere in forma non alia intelligentia est quam in Dei munere natura. Quod autem Christus sit divina natura, nemo catholicus negat. » Quod autem sit natura humana, praemissis et aliis auctoritatibus multis comprobatur; quare Christus est duae naturae, quia est duae substantiae; et est duarum naturarum, quia duas habet, secundum Boetium, specificas sive substantiales differentias, divinitatem et humanitatem; et quae secundum naturam semper a se invicem longe differunt, et contra naturam in unitatem personae inseparabiliter conveniunt. Utrum autem proprie vel improprie Boetius specificas differentias dixerit supra diximus. Illud etiam quod ait Boetius, neque easdem in Deum et hominem differentias convenire, si utroque nomine Dei scilicet et hominis persona significetur, stare non potest. Omnia enim quae conveniunt Christo, conveniunt personae Dei et hominis. Una enim et eadem est persona Dei et hominis, quae a seipsa non differt; sed his nominibus duae substantiae hic significantur, quibus eaedem differentiae non conveniunt. Alii vero, sicut jam diximus, et iterare non piget, utrumque nomen personam non naturam significat, ut cum dicitur Deus passus est et similia, nihil de divinitate dicitur, sed de divina persona. Et cum dicitur, homo seipsum suscitavit et similia, nihil humanitati attribuitur, sed personae hominis, scilicet Christi, quae non est alia persona quam Dei; una est enim persona Dei et hominis, licet una et alia natura. Si qui mirantur quod duplicem hujusmodi significationem in his nominibus habere contendimus, quid in his dicent: Deus genuit, Deus genitus est, Deus procedit, sive processit? Nonne in singulis de persona servi est? Nonne de substantia? Sed tamen hae tres proprietates his tribus verbis personis tantum attribuuntur, ut quidam ex illa auctoritate Joannis Damasceni conjiciunt: Non differunt ab invicem hypostases secundum characteristica idiomata, id est determinativas proprietates. Characteristica vero, id est determinativa sunt, id est hypostases determinant. Hic tamen non dicitur quia hae proprietates divinae naturae non conveniant, sed hoc potius quod non naturam a seipsa, sed personas ab invicem distinguant; hanc autem quaestionem utrum una substantia sive natura genuit et genita sit et procedat, perplexam non credit quisquis existimat quod non unus et idem Deus genuit et genitus est et procedit; vel qui e contrario sentit quod una res et eadem et gignens est in Patre, et genita in Filio, et procedens in Spiritu sancto. Sed de his alias disputabitur, nunc ad propositum revertamur. Quid etiam de eis dicent, Deus est unus, Deus est trinus, Deus est Trinitas, Deus est Pater et Filius et Spiritus sanctus? Nonne de substantia sermo est? Nonne de personis sive persona? Audiant etiam unde magis mirari possunt. Augustinus in Expositione symboli ait: « Si quis dixerit atque crediderit hominem Jesum Christum a Filio Dei assumptum non fuisse, anathema sit. » Hic sine dubio homo Jesus Christus non pro persona accipitur, sed pro substantia. Alibi vero personam potius significat, ut cum dicitur homo Jesus aequalis est Deo et coaeternus Patri, et creavit omnia, et similia. Haec de persona quam assumpsit, non de natura vel substantia quae assumpta est intelligenda fore nemini sapientum ambigere licet.

====Opiniones haereticorum.====

Non timent condiscipuli mei, sed timeo ego ne anathema istud involvat: « Si quis dixerit atque crediderit, » etc., quia non dicunt nec credunt aliquem hominem a Filio Dei assumptum fuisse. Hanc vero distinctionem geminae significationis sive acceptionis utriusque horum nominum Deus et homo, haereticos omnes aut omnino latuisse aut in erroris sui periculo subterfugisse non dubito, qui vel duas personas vel unam solam substantiam sive naturam Christum esse dogmatizaverunt; ut Nestorius, qui Christum confitens Deum esse et hominem, his duobus nominibus duas in Christo personas intelligendas esse putavit. Eutyches vero Deum factum hominem confitens, in una persona manere duas naturas non credidit, id falso arbitratus, quod si in Christo essent duae rationales naturae, duae necessario essent personae; quorum miseram stultitiam, stultum et miserum est tot greges scholarium, his temporibus, in hac tanta luce et gloria Christianae fidei, sive magistrorum amore, sive qualibet alia causa blandiente, pertinaciter imitari. Me vero non metuo vel ingratitudinis vel levitatis damnari, si quae junior accepi vel tradidi, nunc tamen senior et sanior graviori et saniori judicio immutaverim. Non est hoc culpa levitatis, nisi leves judicandi sunt omnes peccatores qui vel sero poenitent; non ingratitudinis, nisi haec gratia debeatur magistris, ut eorum sequamur errores; cum unus sit magister noster qui in coelis est, contra quem quidquam sentire vel cuiquam consentire non licet.

===CAP. XX.&lt;br&gt;===
Conclusio ex praemissis quae in exordio proposita sunt.

Quoniam itaque quae in exordio proposuimus, prout capiebant brevitas operis et parvitas opificis, auctoritatibus et rationibus roborata sunt, sanctos Patres et institutos fidei sequens audeo dicere, credere et confiteri quod Christus est aliquis homo et utique sanctissimus et beatissimus hominum; et quod Christus secundum humanitatem est aliquid, et utique verus homo, animalis verum corpus, natura, substantia, unum totum. Et quod ipse secundum alteram naturam increatus et creator; secundum alteram et creatus et creatura. Non tantum dico simpliciter Filius Dei est creatura, vel etiam Christus est creatura, sed hoc addito secundum humanitatem, sicut ait Apostolus: Qui factus est ex semine David secundum carnem, unde Augustinus: « Hoc dicit Apostolus ne putetur homo tantum. Dicendo namque eum factum secundum carnem, innuit esse alteram naturam secundum quam est infactus, scilicet divinam. » Ubi occurritur impietati haereticorum, qui obtuso corde hoc capitulum intelligentes, Christum tantum hominem esse accipiunt, divinitatem vero in eo non intelligunt. Addendo enim secundum carnem, servando divinitati suam dignitatem, qua Christus Verbum Dei Patris est, per quod facta sunt omnia; non enim est factus secundum id quod Verbum Dei est. Ideoque Apostolus cum factum diceret Christum, addidit secundum carnem, ut secundum Verbum quod est Filius Dei non factum a Deo, sed natum esse monstraret.

====Cum de Christo agitur, distinguendum est quid de eo et secundum quid dicatur.====

Quoties autem verba sanctorum vel ipsius Domini hujusmodi determinationes non habent, ut est illud: Pater major me est. Spiritus Domini super me. Ab initio et ante saecula creata sum. Ego Deus creavi eum. Minuisti eum paulo minus ab angelis, et similia; tunc recurrendum est ad praemissam Augustini auctoritatem, qua monemur distinguere cum de Christo agitur, quid de eo et secundum quid dicatur. Ut ergo sicut a principio, ita et in fine hujus Eulogii quod de pauperie mea gratiae vestrae destinavi, licet sim novissimus in Ecclesia, totius Ecclesiae principem sed Patrem, judicem sed pastorem alloquor. Hoc est desiderium meum, haec est petitio mea, ut, sicut Romani pontificatus apicem decet, generali decreto et in perpetuum valituro sublimitas vestra praecipiat omnes nos in unum de homine assumpto certa sapere. Et hoc amplius de assumptione hominis quam de assumptione vestis sentire: quod Deus qui assumpsit, est homo qui assumptus est, sicut Deus qui creavit est homo qui creatus est, Deus qui suscitavit est homo qui suscitatus est, et clarificavit et clarificatus est. Eadem etiam auctoritate vestra, quam nulli hominum contemnere licet, omnes inviolabilis praecepti necessitatem sive spontanei, sive inviti suscipiamus, ut simul et similiter confiteamur et contra Eutychem unam personam Christi duas esse substantias, et contra Nestorium duas substantias unam personam, et contra Appellem et Manichaeum Deum non in fantasia hominem apparuisse, sed vere et essentialiter hominem exstitisse, et contra Appollinarem non solum corpus, sed corpus et animam simul assumpsisse, in quibus et ex quibus perfectus homo dignoscitur, et contra Aligios Christum non modo hominem esse, sed hominem qui ex tempore coepit, et Verbum quod erat in principio, et contra Paulinos Christum Dei Filium semper fuisse, non a Maria sumpsisse initium, quia idem ipse et secundum divinitatem creator fuit ante creandam Virginem. Haec et his consentanea quaelibet catholica sunt; et nisi credantur in Ecclesia, non moneri tantum, sed juberi etiam possunt. Credere namque necesse est quae nisi quisque fideliter firmiterque crediderit, salvus esse non poterit.

Haec conclusio est inserta petitioni, ex qua scribentis intentio plenius quam prooemio declaratur. Explicit feliciter.</text>
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Croatice hodierna: Fran Krsto Frankopan;

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Croatice hodierna: '''Fran Krsto Frankopan''';

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Latine, Croatice et Italice scripsit.

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Croatice hodierna: '''Fran Krsto Frankopan''';


magnatus nobilis (comes), politicus, dux militaris atque poeta barocensis Croaticus fuit.

Latine, Croatice et Italice scripsit.

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Croatice hodierna: '''Fran Krsto Frankopan'''.
Magnatus nobilis (comes), politicus, dux militaris atque poeta barocensis Croaticus fuit.

Latine, Croatice et Italice scripsit.

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Magnatus nobilis (comes), politicus, dux militaris atque poeta barocensis Croaticus fuit.

Latine, Croatice et Italice scripsit.

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Croatice hodierna: '''Fran Krsto Frankopan'''.
Magnatus nobilis (comes), politicus, dux militaris atque poeta barocensis Croaticus fuit.

Latine, Croatice et Italice scripsit.

== Opera ==
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Croatice hodierna: '''Fran Krsto Frankopan'''.
Magnatus nobilis (comes), politicus, dux militaris atque poeta barocensis Croaticus fuit.

Latine, Croatice et Italice scripsit.

== Opera ==
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* '''[[Gartlic za čas kratiti]]'''


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Croatice hodierna: '''Fran Krsto Frankopan'''.
Magnatus nobilis (comes), politicus, dux militaris atque poeta barocensis Croaticus fuit.

Latine, Croatice et Italice scripsit.

== Opera ==
* '''[[Elegia]]''' (1656)
* Gartlic za čas kratiti

Latine: [[Hortulus ad tempus terendum]]


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Autographus eius authenticus historicus: '''Ferenaz Frangopan Groff Tersazki'''; 
Croatice hodierna: '''Fran Krsto Frankopan'''.
Magnatus nobilis (comes), politicus, dux militaris atque poeta barocensis Croaticus fuit.

Latine, Croatice et Italice scripsit.

== Opera ==
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* [[s:hr:Gartlic za čas kratiti|Gartlic za čas kratiti]] (Croatice)
Latine: [[Hortulus ad tempus terendum]]


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Autographus eius authenticus historicus: '''Ferenaz Frangopan Groff Tersazki'''; 
Croatice hodierna: '''Fran Krsto Frankopan'''.
Magnatus nobilis (comes), politicus, dux militaris atque poeta barocensis Croaticus fuit.

Latine, Croatice et Italice scripsit.

== Opera ==
* [[Elegia]] (1656)

== Posthuma ==
* [[s:hr:Gartlic za čas kratiti|Gartlic za čas kratiti]] (Croatice) - liber poeticus
Latine: [[Hortulus ad tempus terendum]]


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Autographus eius authenticus historicus: '''Ferenaz Frangopan Groff Tersazki'''; 
Croatice hodierna: '''Fran Krsto Frankopan'''.
Magnatus nobilis (comes), politicus, dux militaris atque poeta barocensis Croaticus fuit.

Latine, Croatice et Italice scripsit.

== Opera ==
* [[Elegia]] (1656)

== Posthuma ==
* [[s:hr:Gartlic za čas kratiti|Gartlic za čas kratiti]] (1871)) - liber poeticus Croatice scripsit, usque ad annum 1671 compositus
Latine: [[Hortulus ad tempus terendum]]


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Autographus eius authenticus historicus: '''Ferenaz Frangopan Groff Tersazki'''; 
Croatice hodierna: '''Fran Krsto Frankopan'''.
Magnatus nobilis (comes), politicus, dux militaris atque poeta barocensis Croaticus fuit.

Latine, Croatice et Italice scripsit.

== Opera ==
* [[Elegia]] (1656)

== Posthuma ==
* [[s:hr:Gartlic za čas kratiti|Gartlic za čas kratiti]] (1871) - liber poeticus Croatice scripsit, usque ad annum 1671 compositus
Latine: [[Hortulus ad tempus terendum]]


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