Wikisource lawikisource https://la.wikisource.org/wiki/Pagina_prima MediaWiki 1.47.0-wmf.16 first-letter Media Specialis Disputatio Usor Disputatio Usoris Vicifons Disputatio Vicifontis Fasciculus Disputatio Fasciculi MediaWiki Disputatio MediaWiki Formula Disputatio Formulae Auxilium Disputatio Auxilii Categoria Disputatio Categoriae Scriptor Disputatio Scriptoris Pagina Disputatio Paginae Liber Disputatio Libri TimedText TimedText talk Modulus Disputatio Moduli Event Event talk 0 1483 277026 131770 2026-08-22T22:28:53Z SZC 03 22335 277026 wikitext text/x-wiki {{titulus2 |Scriptor= Petrus Abaelardus |OperaeTitulus= Sententiae |OperaeWikiPagina= Sententiae |Annus=saeculo XII |SubTitulus= secundum magistrum Petrum |Genera=philosophia, aphorismi |Fons=[http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/resources/abelard/Sententiae.txt individual.utoronto.ca] }} <div class=text> <poem> [1] Nitetur fortassis aliquis hanc argumentationem probare: Hic homo est hoc corpus Sed hoc corpus est prius <hoc> homine quasi materia huius hominis Ergo hic homo est prius hoc homine [2] Ad hanc quippe argumentationem statim inducet regulam quam ei adaptat, hanc scilicet: Quotiens aliquid praedicatur de aliquo ut de contento, et aliquid praedicatur de illo praedicato ut de contento, idem praedicatur de subiecto ut de contento [3] Sed haec profecto regula -- si diligentius uim ipsius iuxta sensum illius consideremus -- argumentationum hanc non potest ostendere propter enuntiationes assumptionis et conclusionis modales, in quibus etiam modi praedicatorum uariantur pro diuersitate subiectorum. Cum enim dico: Hoc corpus est prius hoc homine tamquam materia tale est: Hoc corpus est hic homo ita quod hoc corpus posset esse absque hoc homine sed non e conuerso, quod aperte falsum est; non igitur idem modus retinetur in conclusione qui erat in assumptione. [4] In utraque enim propositione, si quis modum secundum sensum insistat -- cum ad expositionem peruenitur -- inuenerit iuxta sensum diuersos modos enuntiationis cum ipsa determinatione repetatur modali. Subiectum ipsius propositionis cum determinatione repetatur (et diuersa sunt in assumptione et conclusione subiecta); modalis itaque determinatio <assumptionis> secundum sensum haec est: ita quod hoc corpus posset esse absque hoc homine etc. conclusionis uero haec est: ita quod hic homo posset <esse> absque hoc homine etc. (ibi itaque "hoc corpus", quod erat subiectum assumptionis repetitum, subintellegi, hic uero "hic homo"); et ita diuersorum intellectuum uoces enuntiationis modos secundum sensum uariant. [5] Si uero in assumptione et conclusione eundem modum constructio permanere permitteret, complexio argumentationum non falleret. Veluti si sic diceretur: Hic homo est hoc corpus; sed hoc corpus est hic homo ita quod hic homo posset esse absque hoc homine etc. tunc quippe eadem modalis determinata, tam in assumptione quam in conclusione eius retenta, nihil diuersitatis afferret. [6] Nec tamen hanc argumentationem (quae uera est) nec priorem (quae falsa est) regula superius inducta confirmare potest, si eius regulae sensum diligenter exponamus. Quae est huiusmodi: Quotiens aliquid praedicatur etc. id est quotiens omnis persona alicuius uocis est persona alterius uocis, et omnis persona illius alterius uocis est aliquid, omnis persona subiectae uocis est illud idem. 'Personam autem uocis' personalem significationem esse dicimus, secundum quod scilicet uoces iungi transitiue uel intransitiue Priscianus dicit. [7] Cum autem dicimus quod omnis persona huius uocis 'hic homo' est persona huius uocis 'hoc corpus', cum non sint multae personae 'hic homo' sed una tantum, abusiue 'omnis' accipimus cum multa non colligat, tanquam si opponamus 'prorsus' uel 'omnino'. Et talis est sensus, cum dicimus: Omnis persona huius uocis 'hic homo' est hoc corpus ac si diceremus: Hic homo est hoc corpus ita quod nihil est hic homo quod non sit hoc corpus [8] Si quis itaque sensum regulae in supra posita expositione sumat, deprehendet regulam ad probationes praepositarum argumentationum non ualere; maxime quia consequens regula uim modalium determinationum -- quae in conclusionibus argumentationum est -- non continet (in consequenti quippe regula simpliciter dicitur quod persona subiecti prorsus est illud quod est persona praedicati termini, non etiam quod ita sit illud quod possit esse absque illo, sicut habet conclusio secundae argumentationis quae uera est). [9] Si quis autem argumentationi secundae (quae uera est) regulam ei competentem adaptare uelit, talem proterat quae determinationes modales etiam contineat, sicut argumentatio cuius erit; ac si hoc modo dicat: Quotiens aliquid praedicatur de aliquo ut de contento, et aliquid praedicatur de praedicato ut de contento aliquo modo, idem de subiecto eodem modo praedicatur quod est dicere: Quotiens persona alicuius uocis est prorsus persona alterius, et persona illius alterius prorsus est aliquid aliquo modo, persona subiectae uocis est illud idem eodem modo Veluti si hic homo est hoc corpus, et hoc corpus est hic homo ita quod hoc corpus posset esse absque hoc homine, hic homo est hic homo ita quod hic homo posset esse absque hoc homine. [10] Si uero dicam "ita quod tantum hic homo posset esse absque hoc homine", diuersa determinatio uariat modum. [11] In omnibus itaque magis sensum quam uerba pensemus, quoniam secundum uerba multae conplexiones ex similitudine aliorum decipiunt, et secundum amborum dispositionem eaedem regulae tam falsis quam ueris argumentationibus applicari uidentur. De quibus erit agendum cum ad fallacias regularum peruenerimus. [12] Sunt autem nonnullae propositiones quibus qui 'totum' solummodo uocem esse confitentur nos impugnare posse uidetur. Ac si ita opponatur: Constat senarium ex quaternario et dimidietate eius (scilicet quaternarii) perfici; quod falsum est si hoc in rebus conspiciamus; nullus quippe quaternarius, qui per se est, per dimidiam partem sui senarium perficere possit nisi alter binarius extra addatur [13] Sed sic et istud obiciendum uidetur: quod, si rem ex re constare dicamus et omnia plura unum totum efficere, utique, ubicumque erunt duo instituta, ipsa quippe duo unum totum facient quod est diuersum a singulis illis; et ita, ubicumque sunt duo, sunt tria (ipsa uidelicet duo et totum ipsorum, quod est diuersum a singulis illis et praedicatione remotum, cum neque haec pars sit ipsum totum neque illa); sed rursus, cum omnia plura unum totum efficiant diuersum a singulis illis, ipsum totum iterum cum duabus partibus suis unum totum efficiet; et illud rursus aliud cum partibus suis; et sic in infinitum. [14] Praeterea hunc ternarium dicimus constare ex his tribus unitatibus, et duae unitates unum binarium quaelibet reddunt. Quis neget hunc ternarium ex duobus binariis constare? Eadem quippe unitas cum hac unitate unum binarium <et cum illa alium binarium> facit; et ita ternarius duos in se continet binarios diuersos ab inuicem, cum hic binarius nullo modo sit ille, cum talem habeat partem quam ille non habet (si enim hic binarius hac unitate constat, ille uero hac eadem non constat, profecto ille hic non esse conuincitur per necessariam syllogismi complexionem). [15] Rursus opponi poterit: quod, cum dicitur "si domus est, paries est", quomodo secundum constitutionem rei locus a 'toto' dicatur; aut quomodo res quae domus est probat parietem, cum neque haec domus probet hunc parietem uel illum, nec illa similiter aliquem alium (uniuersalia quippe uocabula ad nullam subiectarum rerum percipiendam nos dirigunt); quomodo etiam hanc diuisionem "domus alia pars paries, alia tectum, alia fundamentum" dicemus totius esse, cum totum in ea non diuidatur (si enim totum ibi diuiditur, uel domus uel aliud quod sit domus uel haec uel illa; quod si haec domus ibi diuiditur in partes, profecto haec ostenditur constare ex partibus, quod falsum est). [16] Cum dicitur senarius perfici ex quaternario et dimidietate eius, istud 'eius' ad hoc nomen 'quaternarium' duobus modis referri potest secundum uim uerborum, hoc est uel secundum personam uel secundum speciem siue naturam quaternarii. Duobus quippe dictio relatiua ad praemissa refertur: modo quidem personaliter et quasi discrete (secundum scilicet identitatem personae), modo indifferenter ac simpliciter secundum identitatem naturae, id est conuenientiae uel similitudinis rerum iuxta causam impositionis praemissi nominis. [17] Naturam quippe Boethius dicit "similitudinem rerum nascentium" ac si aperte dicat easdem res esse unius naturae quae operatione naturae similes sunt ad inuicem. Unde hoc nomen quod est 'homo' natura dicimus, quod ex una ipsius impositione commune est naturaliter multis rebus secundum hoc quod inuicem sibi naturaliter sunt similes (in eo scilicet quod unaqueque eorum sit animal rationale mortale); hoc uero nomen 'Socrates' personae potius dicimus quam naturae, quia per ipsum discretio personae monstratur, non conuenientia multarum rerum quibus datum sit secundum similitudinem alicuius naturae. [18] Et hanc interrogationem "Quid est homo?" naturae dicimus, istam autem "Quis est iste?" uel "Quae est ista?" dicimus esse personae; unde, ad illud, uocabulum naturae seu similitudinis respondemus (quod uidelicet multorum commune est secundum hoc quod sibi inuicem similia sunt), ut 'homo', 'animal'; ad istud uero, uocabulum personae seu discretionis (quod uidelicet unam rem determinate ac discrete significat), ut 'Petrus', 'Marcha'. [19] Sicut ergo identitatem rerum duobus modis accipimus, uno quidem secundum personam (ut 'idem est Marcus quod Tullius'), alio modo secundum naturam siue speciem seu quacumque similitudine (ut 'idem est Petrus quod Marcus', utpote homo uel animal sicut et ille), ita relatio, quae semper secundum <res> fit, duobus modis accipitur scilicet secundum identitatem personae uel naturae. [20] Circa identitatem quidem personae relatio fit negatiue apud Sedulium ibi: Non quia qui summus pater est, et filius hic est ac si aperte diceret: Non est eadem utriusque persona affirmatiue autem circa naturam relatio fit apud eundem ubi statim subditur: Sed quia quod summus pater est, et filius hic est ac si diceret: Eiusdem naturae haec est persona et illa (hoc est "similis siue indifferens in natura diuinae substantiae"). Ibi itaque 'qui' relatiuum nomen secundum eandem personam relatiue ponitur, hic 'quod' secundum naturam relatiue supponitur. [21] Sed et cum dicimus: Homo sculpit qui pingit uel Homo sculpit et idem pingit potest relatio accipi uel ad eandem personam (ut uidelicet idem personaliter homo utrumque faciat) uel ad speciem siue naturam humanitatis indifferenter (id est simpliciter secundum intelligentiam praemissi nominis), ac si iterum ipsum nomen quod est 'homo' repeteretur et discerneretur "homo sculpit", "homo pingit" (quod etiam pro diuersis personis contingere posset). [22] Nam cum dicimus: Nullum simile est illud cui est simile si uera sit enuntiatio, accipienda est relatio tantummodo secundum identitatem personae, ut uidelicet nulla res sit ea personaliter cui similis sit. Ut, cum Socrates sit similis homini (uerbi gratia Platoni), non tamen ideo uerum est simpliciter quod non sit homo, sed tantum quod non sit ille homo cui est similis. [23] Similiter et cum dicimus: Si aliquod totum est, quaelibet pars illius totius est (uel eiusdem totius) ad personam facienda est relatio. Quippe cum omnis domus totum sit, et paries sit pars domus, non tamen uerum est quod, si domus est, quaelibet pars domus est; alioquin sequeretur quod si haec domus est, quaelibet pars illius alterius domus est (hoc scilicet per regulam ostendi potest quod si domus est, quaelibet pars illius domus est quae est, non domus simpliciter). Nec hoc similiter uerum est quod si haec domus est, hic paries est (licet hic paries pars sit domus); sed si domus est, paries eiusdem domus <est> quae est (omnis quippe domus ex aliquo pariete constat sed non omnis ex hoc). [24] Cum uero dicimus hoc: Mulier quae damnauit saluauit non circa eandem personam sed circa naturam sexus muliebris <...> (scilicet saluauit): Eua quippe damnauit, Maria saluauit. Priscianus quoque constructionum huiusmodi relationem non ad personam facit, ubi uidelicet de 'sui' loquitur. Sed etc. [25] Huiusmodi regula: Quotiens aliqua res speciei non est aliquid, aliqua res generis non est illud <idem> huiusmodi argumentationem confirmemus: Quidam homo non est albus Ergo quoddam animal non est album [26] Non ualet confirmatio si per 'illud idem' relatio secundum identitatem personae fiat, ac si dicamus "quoddam animal non est illud idem animal quod homo est". Nempe hoc non posset ostendi quod quoddam animal omnino non est album, sicut habebat conclusio. [27] Similiter cum in ista argumentatione dicimus hanc enuntiationem "Socrates est homo" enuntiare "Socratem esse id quod ipse est", istud 'id' non secundum personam discrete proferimus sed indifferenter tam secundum naturam quam secundum personam illud accipimus. Non enim propositio proponit Socratem esse illam personam quae ipse est, sed enuntiamus illum humanam naturam habere, hoc est hominem esse, sicut et cum dicimus "Socrates est homo et Plato est idem". At uero etc. [28] Aristoteles hanc regulam: Si quid fit aliquid, non est illud quod fit inducit ad hoc probandum quod si homo fit pulcher, et non est pulcher. Si relatio fit secundum identitatem personae (non simpliciter secundum intelligentiam cuiuscumque praemissi nominis) non potest ex regula exigentia ostendi proposita, "si fit pulcher non est ille pulcher cum ipse fit". [29] Non solum relatio uocis ad naturam fit quandoque, uerum et demonstratio, cum in benedictione aquae dicitur "qui te de latere suo produxit" uel "in uinum conuertit" uel "super te ambulauit" uel "in te baptizatus est". Hic quippe non ad personam praesentis aquae sed ad speciem siue naturam aquatici elementi indifferenter loquitur, ac si ita diceret: "qui te produxit, hoc est eiusdem naturae elementum, quod uidelicet similiter aqua sit sicut et tu". [30] Cum itaque tam relatio quam demonstratio modo ad personam proprie, modo ad naturam quodammodo accommodetur, facile est soluere quod superius opponebatur de eo quod dicitur "senarius perfici ex quaternario et dimidietate eius"; ita scilicet ut hoc ad nomen 'quaternarii' non personaliter sed simpliciter siue indifferenter referatur, ac si uidelicet ipsum nomen iterum repeteretur et diceretur "ex quaternario et dimidietate quaternarii (cuiuscumque scilicet quaternarii), hoc est ex quaternario et binario aliquo quocumque". [31] Quod autem de infinitate supra quoque opposuimus nihil est. Quippe cum dicitur quod "quaelibet plura unum totum integraliter conficiunt", talia plura accipimus quae diuersa ad inuicem sunt, non solum praedicatione uerum etiam tota continentia constitutionis (ut uidelicet alterum in constitutione nec alterum nec aliquid alterius comprehendat); totum autem quod ex duabus partibus constat non est ab illis quas continet diuersum secundum essentiae suae capacitatem. Ideo illud aliquid totum non conficitur quasi diuersa pars ab illis. [32] Hoc etiam modo refellitur illud quod dictum est "confici ex duobus diuersis binariis", cum 'diuersi' recte non dicantur cum eandem contineant in quantitate suae essentiae partem. 'Diuersum' itaque personaliter dicimus proprie quod, non solum praedicatione, uerum etiam tota essentiae suae quantitate discretum est (ut uidelicet nihil aliud sit in isto quam in illo secundum quod superius in quinto capitulo concessimus aliquem posse habere solam domum, ut uidelicet non haberet aliud a domo -- hoc est ita diuersum a domo ut, non solum praedicatione, uerum etiam constitutione ab ea penitus disiunctum sit). [33] Multa itaque specie seu genere differunt quae hoc modo diuersa non sunt, sicut homo et manus ipsius (cum ipse animatum corpus sit et inanimatum). Sicut cum dicimus: Domum sufficienter diuidi per parietem et tectum et fundamentum ac si nullas alias partes praeter istas tres habeat 'alias' oportet intelligi non solum praedicatione remotas ab inuicem uerum etiam diuersas continentia constitutionis, ita scilicet ut nec in istis contineantur nec istas contineant, nec eandem partem cum aliquo horum trium communicent (alioquin falsum esset istas solas tres esse partes domus). [34] Quod etiam opponebant de loco a 'toto' uel de diuisione 'totius' ita hoc soluendum est: quod, cum dicitur: Si domus est, paries est etiam locum a 'toto' esse concedimus, hanc uocem 'totum' locum esse proprie concedimus, non significatum ipsius, sicut et hanc uocem 'genus' et 'definitio' et caeteras. Si autem ad significata respiciamus, multo plures loci differentiae essent quam maximae propositiones. [35] Quod si quis uocet omnia genera unum locum in eo quod genera sunt, cum non etiam omnes maximas propositiones unam maximam propositionem esse dicat (in eo scilicet quod sunt a genere), aut si ex modo probandi generum ipsas maximas propositiones uariet (cum enim maxime ipsos 'locos differentias' <uocent> quia uarie probant, hoc est ipsa genera), propterea haec nomina tantum ('genus', 'totum', 'oppositum', etc.) quae respondent ad unum locum, sola bene differentiae maximarum propositionum dicuntur, non eorum significata. [36] Ad quod ostendendum inducit Boethius 'rationalitatem' quae constituit hominem tanquam eius differentia, ut uidelicet per similitudinem constituendi ostendat haec uocabula 'differentias maximarum propositionum' quas constituunt debere dici. Quippe non ita per significata sicut per hoc nomen maxime propositiones differunt, cum eadem sint significata huius nominis 'generis' et 'oppositi' et caeterarum differentiarum. Idem nempe quod ad genus est, ad illud est oppositum; unde maxima propositio generis et oppositi magis in hic nominibus 'genus' et 'oppositum' distant quam in significatis ipsorum; atque ideo 'locos differentias' haec nomina potius dicimus. </poem> </div>{{finis}} 0mqhroj2sse8sldlq55tyfv4d6sy0oo 277027 277026 2026-08-22T22:40:12Z SZC 03 22335 277027 wikitext text/x-wiki {{titulus2 |Scriptor= Petrus Abaelardus |OperaeTitulus= Sententiae |OperaeWikiPagina= Sententiae |Annus=saeculo XII |SubTitulus= secundum magistrum Petrum |Genera=philosophia, aphorismi |Fons=[http://individual.utoronto.ca/pking/resources/abelard/Sententiae.txt individual.utoronto.ca] }} <div class=text> [1] Nitetur fortassis aliquis hanc argumentationem probare: <blockquote>Hic homo est hoc corpus Sed hoc corpus est prius <hoc> homine quasi materia huius hominis Ergo hic homo est prius hoc homine</blockquote> [2] Ad hanc quippe argumentationem statim inducet regulam quam ei adaptat, hanc scilicet: <blockquote>Quotiens aliquid praedicatur de aliquo ut de contento, et aliquid praedicatur de illo praedicato ut de contento, idem praedicatur de subiecto ut de contento</blockquote> [3] Sed haec profecto regula – si diligentius uim ipsius iuxta sensum illius consideremus – argumentationum hanc non potest ostendere propter enuntiationes assumptionis et conclusionis modales, in quibus etiam modi praedicatorum uariantur pro diuersitate subiectorum. Cum enim dico: <blockquote>Hoc corpus est prius hoc homine tamquam materia</blockquote> tale est: <blockquote>Hoc corpus est hic homo ita quod hoc corpus posset esse absque hoc homine</blockquote> sed non e conuerso, quod aperte falsum est; non igitur idem modus retinetur in conclusione qui erat in assumptione. [4] In utraque enim propositione, si quis modum secundum sensum insistat – cum ad expositionem peruenitur – inuenerit iuxta sensum diuersos modos enuntiationis cum ipsa determinatione repetatur modali. Subiectum ipsius propositionis cum determinatione repetatur (et diuersa sunt in assumptione et conclusione subiecta); modalis itaque determinatio <assumptionis> secundum sensum haec est: <blockquote>ita quod hoc corpus posset esse absque hoc homine etc.</blockquote> conclusionis uero haec est: <blockquote>ita quod hic homo posset <esse> absque hoc homine etc.</blockquote> (ibi itaque "hoc corpus", quod erat subiectum assumptionis repetitum, subintellegi, hic uero "hic homo"); et ita diuersorum intellectuum uoces enuntiationis modos secundum sensum uariant. [5] Si uero in assumptione et conclusione eundem modum constructio permanere permitteret, complexio argumentationum non falleret. Veluti si sic diceretur: <blockquote>Hic homo est hoc corpus; sed hoc corpus est hic homo ita quod hic homo posset esse absque hoc homine etc.</blockquote> tunc quippe eadem modalis determinata, tam in assumptione quam in conclusione eius retenta, nihil diuersitatis afferret. [6] Nec tamen hanc argumentationem (quae uera est) nec priorem (quae falsa est) regula superius inducta confirmare potest, si eius regulae sensum diligenter exponamus. Quae est huiusmodi: <blockquote>Quotiens aliquid praedicatur etc.</blockquote> id est quotiens omnis persona alicuius uocis est persona alterius uocis, et omnis persona illius alterius uocis est aliquid, omnis persona subiectae uocis est illud idem. ‘Personam autem uocis’ personalem significationem esse dicimus, secundum quod scilicet uoces iungi transitiue uel intransitiue Priscianus dicit. [7] Cum autem dicimus quod omnis persona huius uocis ‘hic homo’ est persona huius uocis ‘hoc corpus’, cum non sint multae personae ‘hic homo’ sed una tantum, abusiue ‘omnis’ accipimus cum multa non colligat, tanquam si opponamus ‘prorsus’ uel ‘omnino’. Et talis est sensus, cum dicimus: <blockquote>Omnis persona huius uocis ‘hic homo’ est hoc corpus</blockquote> ac si diceremus: <blockquote>Hic homo est hoc corpus ita quod nihil est hic homo quod non sit hoc corpus</blockquote> [8] Si quis itaque sensum regulae in supra posita expositione sumat, deprehendet regulam ad probationes praepositarum argumentationum non ualere; maxime quia consequens regula uim modalium determinationum – quae in conclusionibus argumentationum est – non continet (in consequenti quippe regula simpliciter dicitur quod persona subiecti prorsus est illud quod est persona praedicati termini, non etiam quod ita sit illud quod possit esse absque illo, sicut habet conclusio secundae argumentationis quae uera est). [9] Si quis autem argumentationi secundae (quae uera est) regulam ei competentem adaptare uelit, talem proterat quae determinationes modales etiam contineat, sicut argumentatio cuius erit; ac si hoc modo dicat: <blockquote>Quotiens aliquid praedicatur de aliquo ut de contento, et aliquid praedicatur de praedicato ut de contento aliquo modo, idem de subiecto eodem modo praedicatur</blockquote> quod est dicere: <blockquote>Quotiens persona alicuius uocis est prorsus persona alterius, et persona illius alterius prorsus est aliquid aliquo modo, persona subiectae uocis est illud idem eodem modo</blockquote> Veluti si hic homo est hoc corpus, et hoc corpus est hic homo ita quod hoc corpus posset esse absque hoc homine, hic homo est hic homo ita quod hic homo posset esse absque hoc homine. [10] Si uero dicam "ita quod tantum hic homo posset esse absque hoc homine", diuersa determinatio uariat modum. [11] In omnibus itaque magis sensum quam uerba pensemus, quoniam secundum uerba multae conplexiones ex similitudine aliorum decipiunt, et secundum amborum dispositionem eaedem regulae tam falsis quam ueris argumentationibus applicari uidentur. De quibus erit agendum cum ad fallacias regularum peruenerimus. [12] Sunt autem nonnullae propositiones quibus qui ‘totum’ solummodo uocem esse confitentur nos impugnare posse uidetur. Ac si ita opponatur: <blockquote>Constat senarium ex quaternario et dimidietate eius (scilicet quaternarii) perfici; quod falsum est si hoc in rebus conspiciamus; nullus quippe quaternarius, qui per se est, per dimidiam partem sui senarium perficere possit nisi alter binarius extra addatur</blockquote> [13] Sed sic et istud obiciendum uidetur: quod, si rem ex re constare dicamus et omnia plura unum totum efficere, utique, ubicumque erunt duo instituta, ipsa quippe duo unum totum facient quod est diuersum a singulis illis; et ita, ubicumque sunt duo, sunt tria (ipsa uidelicet duo et totum ipsorum, quod est diuersum a singulis illis et praedicatione remotum, cum neque haec pars sit ipsum totum neque illa); sed rursus, cum omnia plura unum totum efficiant diuersum a singulis illis, ipsum totum iterum cum duabus partibus suis unum totum efficiet; et illud rursus aliud cum partibus suis; et sic in infinitum. [14] Praeterea hunc ternarium dicimus constare ex his tribus unitatibus, et duae unitates unum binarium quaelibet reddunt. Quis neget hunc ternarium ex duobus binariis constare? Eadem quippe unitas cum hac unitate unum binarium <et cum illa alium binarium> facit; et ita ternarius duos in se continet binarios diuersos ab inuicem, cum hic binarius nullo modo sit ille, cum talem habeat partem quam ille non habet (si enim hic binarius hac unitate constat, ille uero hac eadem non constat, profecto ille hic non esse conuincitur per necessariam syllogismi complexionem). [15] Rursus opponi poterit: quod, cum dicitur "si domus est, paries est", quomodo secundum constitutionem rei locus a ‘toto’ dicatur; aut quomodo res quae domus est probat parietem, cum neque haec domus probet hunc parietem uel illum, nec illa similiter aliquem alium (uniuersalia quippe uocabula ad nullam subiectarum rerum percipiendam nos dirigunt); quomodo etiam hanc diuisionem "domus alia pars paries, alia tectum, alia fundamentum" dicemus totius esse, cum totum in ea non diuidatur (si enim totum ibi diuiditur, uel domus uel aliud quod sit domus uel haec uel illa; quod si haec domus ibi diuiditur in partes, profecto haec ostenditur constare ex partibus, quod falsum est). [16] Cum dicitur senarius perfici ex quaternario et dimidietate eius, istud ‘eius’ ad hoc nomen ‘quaternarium’ duobus modis referri potest secundum uim uerborum, hoc est uel secundum personam uel secundum speciem siue naturam quaternarii. Duobus quippe dictio relatiua ad praemissa refertur: modo quidem personaliter et quasi discrete (secundum scilicet identitatem personae), modo indifferenter ac simpliciter secundum identitatem naturae, id est conuenientiae uel similitudinis rerum iuxta causam impositionis praemissi nominis. [17] Naturam quippe Boethius dicit "similitudinem rerum nascentium" ac si aperte dicat easdem res esse unius naturae quae operatione naturae similes sunt ad inuicem. Unde hoc nomen quod est ‘homo’ natura dicimus, quod ex una ipsius impositione commune est naturaliter multis rebus secundum hoc quod inuicem sibi naturaliter sunt similes (in eo scilicet quod unaqueque eorum sit animal rationale mortale); hoc uero nomen ‘Socrates’ personae potius dicimus quam naturae, quia per ipsum discretio personae monstratur, non conuenientia multarum rerum quibus datum sit secundum similitudinem alicuius naturae. [18] Et hanc interrogationem "Quid est homo?" naturae dicimus, istam autem "Quis est iste?" uel "Quae est ista?" dicimus esse personae; unde, ad illud, uocabulum naturae seu similitudinis respondemus (quod uidelicet multorum commune est secundum hoc quod sibi inuicem similia sunt), ut ‘homo’, ‘animal’; ad istud uero, uocabulum personae seu discretionis (quod uidelicet unam rem determinate ac discrete significat), ut ‘Petrus’, ‘Marcha’. [19] Sicut ergo identitatem rerum duobus modis accipimus, uno quidem secundum personam (ut ‘idem est Marcus quod Tullius’), alio modo secundum naturam siue speciem seu quacumque similitudine (ut ‘idem est Petrus quod Marcus’, utpote homo uel animal sicut et ille), ita relatio, quae semper secundum <res> fit, duobus modis accipitur scilicet secundum identitatem personae uel naturae. [20] Circa identitatem quidem personae relatio fit negatiue apud Sedulium ibi: <blockquote>Non quia qui summus pater est, et filius hic est</blockquote> ac si aperte diceret: <blockquote>Non est eadem utriusque persona</blockquote> affirmatiue autem circa naturam relatio fit apud eundem ubi statim subditur: <blockquote>Sed quia quod summus pater est, et filius hic est</blockquote> ac si diceret: <blockquote>Eiusdem naturae haec est persona et illa</blockquote> (hoc est "similis siue indifferens in natura diuinae substantiae"). Ibi itaque ‘qui’ relatiuum nomen secundum eandem personam relatiue ponitur, hic ‘quod’ secundum naturam relatiue supponitur. [21] Sed et cum dicimus: <blockquote>Homo sculpit qui pingit</blockquote> uel <blockquote>Homo sculpit et idem pingit</blockquote> potest relatio accipi uel ad eandem personam (ut uidelicet idem personaliter homo utrumque faciat) uel ad speciem siue naturam humanitatis indifferenter (id est simpliciter secundum intelligentiam praemissi nominis), ac si iterum ipsum nomen quod est ‘homo’ repeteretur et discerneretur "homo sculpit", "homo pingit" (quod etiam pro diuersis personis contingere posset). [22] Nam cum dicimus: <blockquote>Nullum simile est illud cui est simile</blockquote> si uera sit enuntiatio, accipienda est relatio tantummodo secundum identitatem personae, ut uidelicet nulla res sit ea personaliter cui similis sit. Ut, cum Socrates sit similis homini (uerbi gratia Platoni), non tamen ideo uerum est simpliciter quod non sit homo, sed tantum quod non sit ille homo cui est similis. [23] Similiter et cum dicimus: <blockquote>Si aliquod totum est, quaelibet pars illius totius est (uel eiusdem totius)</blockquote> ad personam facienda est relatio. Quippe cum omnis domus totum sit, et paries sit pars domus, non tamen uerum est quod, si domus est, quaelibet pars domus est; alioquin sequeretur quod si haec domus est, quaelibet pars illius alterius domus est (hoc scilicet per regulam ostendi potest quod si domus est, quaelibet pars illius domus est quae est, non domus simpliciter). Nec hoc similiter uerum est quod si haec domus est, hic paries est (licet hic paries pars sit domus); sed si domus est, paries eiusdem domus <est> quae est (omnis quippe domus ex aliquo pariete constat sed non omnis ex hoc). [24] Cum uero dicimus hoc: <blockquote>Mulier quae damnauit saluauit</blockquote> non circa eandem personam sed circa naturam sexus muliebris <...> (scilicet saluauit): Eua quippe damnauit, Maria saluauit. Priscianus quoque constructionum huiusmodi relationem non ad personam facit, ubi uidelicet de ‘sui’ loquitur. Sed etc. [25] Huiusmodi regula: <blockquote>Quotiens aliqua res speciei non est aliquid, aliqua res generis non est illud <idem></blockquote> huiusmodi argumentationem confirmemus: <blockquote>Quidam homo non est albus Ergo quoddam animal non est album</blockquote> [26] Non ualet confirmatio si per ‘illud idem’ relatio secundum identitatem personae fiat, ac si dicamus "quoddam animal non est illud idem animal quod homo est". Nempe hoc non posset ostendi quod quoddam animal omnino non est album, sicut habebat conclusio. [27] Similiter cum in ista argumentatione dicimus hanc enuntiationem "Socrates est homo" enuntiare "Socratem esse id quod ipse est", istud ‘id’ non secundum personam discrete proferimus sed indifferenter tam secundum naturam quam secundum personam illud accipimus. Non enim propositio proponit Socratem esse illam personam quae ipse est, sed enuntiamus illum humanam naturam habere, hoc est hominem esse, sicut et cum dicimus "Socrates est homo et Plato est idem". At uero etc. [28] Aristoteles hanc regulam: <blockquote>Si quid fit aliquid, non est illud quod fit</blockquote> inducit ad hoc probandum quod si homo fit pulcher, et non est pulcher. Si relatio fit secundum identitatem personae (non simpliciter secundum intelligentiam cuiuscumque praemissi nominis) non potest ex regula exigentia ostendi proposita, "si fit pulcher non est ille pulcher cum ipse fit". [29] Non solum relatio uocis ad naturam fit quandoque, uerum et demonstratio, cum in benedictione aquae dicitur "qui te de latere suo produxit" uel "in uinum conuertit" uel "super te ambulauit" uel "in te baptizatus est". Hic quippe non ad personam praesentis aquae sed ad speciem siue naturam aquatici elementi indifferenter loquitur, ac si ita diceret: "qui te produxit, hoc est eiusdem naturae elementum, quod uidelicet similiter aqua sit sicut et tu". [30] Cum itaque tam relatio quam demonstratio modo ad personam proprie, modo ad naturam quodammodo accommodetur, facile est soluere quod superius opponebatur de eo quod dicitur "senarius perfici ex quaternario et dimidietate eius"; ita scilicet ut hoc ad nomen ‘quaternarii’ non personaliter sed simpliciter siue indifferenter referatur, ac si uidelicet ipsum nomen iterum repeteretur et diceretur "ex quaternario et dimidietate quaternarii (cuiuscumque scilicet quaternarii), hoc est ex quaternario et binario aliquo quocumque". [31] Quod autem de infinitate supra quoque opposuimus nihil est. Quippe cum dicitur quod "quaelibet plura unum totum integraliter conficiunt", talia plura accipimus quae diuersa ad inuicem sunt, non solum praedicatione uerum etiam tota continentia constitutionis (ut uidelicet alterum in constitutione nec alterum nec aliquid alterius comprehendat); totum autem quod ex duabus partibus constat non est ab illis quas continet diuersum secundum essentiae suae capacitatem. Ideo illud aliquid totum non conficitur quasi diuersa pars ab illis. [32] Hoc etiam modo refellitur illud quod dictum est "confici ex duobus diuersis binariis", cum ‘diuersi’ recte non dicantur cum eandem contineant in quantitate suae essentiae partem. ‘Diuersum’ itaque personaliter dicimus proprie quod, non solum praedicatione, uerum etiam tota essentiae suae quantitate discretum est (ut uidelicet nihil aliud sit in isto quam in illo secundum quod superius in quinto capitulo concessimus aliquem posse habere solam domum, ut uidelicet non haberet aliud a domo – hoc est ita diuersum a domo ut, non solum praedicatione, uerum etiam constitutione ab ea penitus disiunctum sit). [33] Multa itaque specie seu genere differunt quae hoc modo diuersa non sunt, sicut homo et manus ipsius (cum ipse animatum corpus sit et inanimatum). Sicut cum dicimus: <blockquote>Domum sufficienter diuidi per parietem et tectum et fundamentum ac si nullas alias partes praeter istas tres habeat</blockquote> ‘alias’ oportet intelligi non solum praedicatione remotas ab inuicem uerum etiam diuersas continentia constitutionis, ita scilicet ut nec in istis contineantur nec istas contineant, nec eandem partem cum aliquo horum trium communicent (alioquin falsum esset istas solas tres esse partes domus). [34] Quod etiam opponebant de loco a ‘toto’ uel de diuisione ‘totius’ ita hoc soluendum est: quod, cum dicitur: <blockquote>Si domus est, paries est</blockquote> etiam locum a ‘toto’ esse concedimus, hanc uocem ‘totum’ locum esse proprie concedimus, non significatum ipsius, sicut et hanc uocem ‘genus’ et ‘definitio’ et caeteras. Si autem ad significata respiciamus, multo plures loci differentiae essent quam maximae propositiones. [35] Quod si quis uocet omnia genera unum locum in eo quod genera sunt, cum non etiam omnes maximas propositiones unam maximam propositionem esse dicat (in eo scilicet quod sunt a genere), aut si ex modo probandi generum ipsas maximas propositiones uariet (cum enim maxime ipsos ‘locos differentias’ <uocent> quia uarie probant, hoc est ipsa genera), propterea haec nomina tantum (‘genus’, ‘totum’, ‘oppositum’, etc.) quae respondent ad unum locum, sola bene differentiae maximarum propositionum dicuntur, non eorum significata. [36] Ad quod ostendendum inducit Boethius ‘rationalitatem’ quae constituit hominem tanquam eius differentia, ut uidelicet per similitudinem constituendi ostendat haec uocabula ‘differentias maximarum propositionum’ quas constituunt debere dici. Quippe non ita per significata sicut per hoc nomen maxime propositiones differunt, cum eadem sint significata huius nominis ‘generis’ et ‘oppositi’ et caeterarum differentiarum. 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In cooperation with the U4C -- <section end="announcement-content" /> </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 03:41, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)</div> <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s) == On EN wikisource, they have a template <nowiki>{{longs}}</nowiki> to produce ''ſ'' on the transcription page, and by default, ''s'' on the ebook page. users on EN WS can toggle these on and off. In this book, [[:la:Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']], there are a number of unusual characters that could do with toggling: ''ſ (s); ß (ss); ẽ (en / em) ũ (un / um) æ (ae) ę (ae) õ (on / om) ã (an / am) œ (oe)''. ([[:formula:ls]] already exists here for ſ, and some other characters semi-implemented at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] but the toggling is not switched on.) In order to implement this: (1) What would LA WiCategoria:Formulae litterarumkisource need to enable for user toggling of special characters? (2) Who would I contact (assuming this is an admin task)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:06, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :It looks like it would need this installing, as a start: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js|MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:13, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|OrbiliusMagister}} as the only active magister! --[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:16, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|SZC 03}} in case you have an opinion (you made changes at the De Pricipia transcription project which we could implement better with this toggle feature). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:31, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::I would like to point out that not all of the listed characters are of the same kind: ::* ſ is a variant of s; ::* ß, æ and œ are [[:w:en:Ligature (writing)|ligatures]] of ſs, ae and oe respectively ([[:w:en:E caudata|ę]] can represent both ae or oe); ::* ã, ẽ, õ, ũ are used to indicate [[:w:en:Scribal abbreviation|abbreviations]]. ::Personally I think it would be somewhat useful to implement the toggle feature only for æ and œ, since of all the ligatures they are the only ones that carry some meaning (that ae or oe in that word is a diphthong) and the only ones that easily show up in search results and correctly displayed in web-browsers. ::Note that both English and Italian wikisources in their transcription guidelines take in consideration the ability of both modern readers and search engines to correctly interpret the character shown (see [[:en:Wikisource:Style guide/Orthography]] and [[:it:Wikisource:Convenzioni di trascrizione]]). Though it would be useful to write rules specific to the Latin wikisource. ::I hope these considerations were of any help. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 07:58, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) ::In regards to the [[Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']] it would be appropriate to encode the text in a way that we do not lose your work of accurately transcribing the above characters, while still showing to the end user a normalized form. My edit was trying to achieve this with the templates currently in wikisource. ::From a technical standpoint, it would be useful to have a general template not specific to any character that could be used both in ''ad hoc'' situations, and in creating other templates. ::Also if such a template is created for abbreviations it should behave differently from the long s and ligatures, since 1) the text displayed is context dependent, and 2) it is common use in diplomatic transcriptions to show the abbreviated characters in parentheses (so I were taught in paleography class). ::To give an example of point 2 from the text ([[Pagina:Nicolaus_Machiavellus_De_Principe.pdf/69|page 45]], line 11): ::Original text: Iãq́ꝫ ::Diplomatic transcription: Ia(m)q(ue) ::Standard transcription: Iamque ::I’m sorry for the lengthy comments. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:02, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I agree something adhoc would be helpful. The template would need to specify :::* the text as-is and :::* the modernised version :::and hopefully there would be a system to pick up which to display. :::In terms of the display: this could be the js system, perhaps adapted, that we have on en.ws, or possibly it could be an adjustment to the page templates set up, to allow two different books, or sets of pages, to be presented. This would have the advantage that exports would facilitate both (IDK but suspect that exports support the default rather than user choice). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 15:48, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I have set out this information in a [[Usor:JimKillock/Orthography|table]] including information about dictionary lookups and likely search engine issues. In short, from a user perspective, all the characters can be problematic, but æ and œ work within Alpheios for dictionary lookups, so are a bit more tolerable than the others from a default perspective. However I think it is useful tobe able to see and use the originals for some people, eg those practicing reading Renaissance scans etc; or researchers or academics looking to use source texts. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:09, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|Alex brollo}}, {{ping|VIGNERON}}, {{ping|Candalua}} in case you can help. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:38, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] Interesting question. I'll take a look to the ensource template to understand how it works (I hope it is not based on javascript). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 06:18, 1 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I’m afraid it is based on javascript: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] :::To see the button you have to enable the [[:en:Help:Gadget-Visibility|Visibility gadget]]. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:12, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] checking in whether we can implement this, or find another solution. I am holding off further changes until I know how to proceed - but I am sure there should be a way to do this! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:40, 19 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::Noting this question comes up again at [[:Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] (I have [[Disputatio Libri:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|left a note there]]). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:08, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::OK, I have developed templates as this is holding up other people's work. I have based each template on the existing [[:formula:ls]], and avoid duplicating those that already exist using the same method at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]]. Meantime if anyone has further thoughts about using Visibility Gadget or going another way, I would be very grateful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:02, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] I have made a very basic template for flexible character switching at [[Formula:Scr]]; this returns the first entry on the book page, and the second in main space, eg <nowiki>{{scr|qꝫ|que}}</nowiki> would work the same as <nowiki>{{que}}</nowiki>. :::::However there is advice on ENWS not to use characters but use HTML entities for CSS reasons, so it is probably better for users to use specific templates. For example, I also created <nowiki>{{po}}</nowiki> which allows a user to decide what it might best represent, eg <nowiki>{{po|;}} or {{po|?}}</nowiki>. :::::In general, using set templates like <nowiki>{{que}}, {{em}}, {{um}}, {{etc}}</nowiki> is much easier for proofing, so I think I will continue to add these where it seems useful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:29, 24 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Hi folks, so that you know, I have made something of a workaround to be able to enable these features, which works well enough for me. I will perhaps add some guidance somewhere. What I have done: ::::::# Installed the font Garamontio, as it has the qꝫ character, and all the possible ligatures ::::::# Created custom css to apply Garamontio to Wikisource as a whole; at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.css]]; and ::::::# Created (vibecoded) custom javascript at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.js]] ::::::The second script looks for the various spans with the css style typographic-long-s, and replaces the characters as appropriate. This seems to work surprisingly well, Garamontio does all of the discretionary ligatures etc, and is a very well designed font (fork of EB Garamond, with some extra touches useful here). The issue is of course that this applies to the whole of Latin Wikisource all of the time. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:35, 25 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], reading this I wanted to tell you that you could apply styles to a index page, but I see you have already figured it out. Kudos on your progress. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 09:56, 9 Iulii 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Thanks @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]]; my list of scribal transformations has got quite long tho. And I need to check on the possible logic of it, some needs to hide and unhide, rather than search and replace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:27, 11 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == We will be enabling the new Charts extension on your wiki soon! == ''(Apologies for posting in English)'' Hi all! We have good news to share regarding the ongoing problem with graphs and charts affecting all wikis that use them. As you probably know, the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|old Graph extension]] was disabled in 2023 [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/EWL4AGBEZEDMNNFTM4FRD4MHOU3CVESO/|due to security reasons]]. We’ve worked in these two years to find a solution that could replace the old extension, and provide a safer and better solution to users who wanted to showcase graphs and charts in their articles. We therefore developed the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Charts extension]], which will be replacing the old Graph extension and potentially also the [[:mw:Extension:EasyTimeline|EasyTimeline extension]]. After successfully deploying the extension on Italian, Swedish, and Hebrew Wikipedia, as well as on MediaWiki.org, as part of a pilot phase, we are now happy to announce that we are moving forward with the next phase of deployment, which will also include your wiki. The deployment will happen in batches, and will start from '''May 6'''. Please, consult [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|our page on MediaWiki.org]] to discover when the new Charts extension will be deployed on your wiki. 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If you have any questions, you can ask on [[m:Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025|the discussion page for the election]]. -- in cooperation with the U4C, </div><section end="announcement-content" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User_talk:Keegan (WMF)|disputatio]])</bdi> 22:08, 15 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> ''(Apologies for posting in English, if this is not your first language)'' Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation. You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. 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The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats. The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4]. Here are the key planned dates: * May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6] * June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates * July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5] * August 2025: Campaign period * August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period * October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates * Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]]. '''Call for Questions''' In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]] '''Election Volunteers''' Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]] Thank you! [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results [2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter [3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024 [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates Best regards, Victoria Doronina Board Liaison to the Elections Committee Governance Committee<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 03:08, 28 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:RamzyM (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Administrator backlog? == Hi there, I am noticing a lot of pages that say that the current version is not checked; and versions I have amended are not (apparently) displayed because they need approval. Am I right in assuming this is due to a lack of (active) administrator time? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:53, 30 Maii 2025 (UTC) :Relatedly @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] / @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] / other admins, [[Colloquia familiaria]] has an old index page and other old sub pages which could do with changes being approved. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:58, 12 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::Ping on this, some of the sub pages are quite broken. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:42, 28 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :I have tried to fix the lack of text in ePub export for [[Noctes Atticae]]. :Unfortunately, it seems that all my submissions require approval (last approval seems to have taken place more than five years ago). :Is there any way to have <code>class="ws-export"</code> to the second <code>&lt;table&gt;</code> from [[Noctes Atticae]]? :Many thanks for your help, [[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 19:09, 15 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] Checking you know this is working now [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:21, 18 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Vote now in the 2025 U4C Election == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> Apologies for writing in English. {{Int:Please-translate}} Eligible voters are asked to participate in the 2025 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee]] election. 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Many of these works—some dating back decades or even centuries—offer fascinating insights into how memory has been understood, trained, and improved across different cultures and time periods. I've recently added a new section to the portal: "Multilingual Works on Mnemonic Techniques." This is in part because several of the English-language texts reference related works in other languages, particularly Latin. Unfortunately, many of these referenced works are written in Classical Latin, and my ability to work with them is quite limited—I’ve done what I can, but they remain largely inaccessible to me. If anyone has expertise in Classical Latin and might be willing to help with these texts, your assistance would be greatly appreciated. * ''[[:la:Foenix|Foenix]] by [[w:en:Peter of Ravenna|Peter of Ravenna]]'' (1491) * ''[[:la:Congestorium Artificiose Memorie|Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]'' by Johann Horst von Romberch (1533) [[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032259.jpg|150px]][[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032269.jpg|150px]] Here is a discussion form on it https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/johannes-romberchs-congestorium-artificiose-memorie/30174 Warm regards [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 23:15, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :Hi there, I could help proofing texts you have prepared perhaps? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:57, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :: Thanks for offering—I’d really appreciate your help with proofreading. :: We have two books. Which one would you like to start with? ::*[[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] ::*[[Liber:Congestorium artificiose memorie ... - V.P.F. Joa(n)nis Romberch de Kyrspe. Regularis obseruantie predicatorie- (IA hin-wel-all-00002875-001).pdf]] ::[[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 21:49, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I can do the pages you have put into the first, as a start for you. BTW the transcribed text does not always look like it originated from the source. It is very correct, but some has different orthography and missed certain parts. That is fine of course if we are correcting to the original. (PS: you might want to create a user account so that you can be notified of replies, hide your IP address, etc). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:57, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I had a go at the first page or two; some of the orthography was removed while other parts were kept. I kept all of it as a first go. See the discussion above about how we treat orthography, hopefully we can address this with templates. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:11, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::I'm using Google OCR and some AI tools to pull out text and sometimes translate it into English so I can understand it. If anyone could help me proofread or check it, I’d be super grateful! [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 00:50, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::I have added all the templates we need for the special characters / orthography, I will start doing the pages with those. The end result will be that on the main space ebook pages, the chars will toggle on and off, at least once that is properly implemented. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:25, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Noted, sounds good. I’ll try adding to the other pages next time. 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[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:14, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Sister Projects Task Force reviews Wikispore and Wikinews</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Dear Wikimedia Community, The [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee|Community Affairs Committee (CAC)]] of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees assigned [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Sister Projects Task Force|the Sister Projects Task Force (SPTF)]] to update and implement a procedure for assessing the lifecycle of Sister Projects – wiki [[m:Wikimedia projects|projects supported by Wikimedia Foundation (WMF)]]. A vision of relevant, accessible, and impactful free knowledge has always guided the Wikimedia Movement. As the ecosystem of Wikimedia projects continues to evolve, it is crucial that we periodically review existing projects to ensure they still align with our goals and community capacity. Despite their noble intent, some projects may no longer effectively serve their original purpose. '''Reviewing such projects is not about giving up – it's about responsible stewardship of shared resources'''. Volunteer time, staff support, infrastructure, and community attention are finite, and the non-technical costs tend to grow significantly as our ecosystem has entered a different age of the internet than the one we were founded in. Supporting inactive projects or projects that didn't meet our ambitions can unintentionally divert these resources from areas with more potential impact. Moreover, maintaining projects that no longer reflect the quality and reliability of the Wikimedia name stands for, involves a reputational risk. An abandoned or less reliable project affects trust in the Wikimedia movement. Lastly, '''failing to sunset or reimagine projects that are no longer working can make it much harder to start new ones'''. When the community feels bound to every past decision – no matter how outdated – we risk stagnation. A healthy ecosystem must allow for evolution, adaptation, and, when necessary, letting go. If we create the expectation that every project must exist indefinitely, we limit our ability to experiment and innovate. Because of this, SPTF reviewed two requests concerning the lifecycle of the Sister Projects to work through and demonstrate the review process. We chose Wikispore as a case study for a possible new Sister Project opening and Wikinews as a case study for a review of an existing project. Preliminary findings were discussed with the CAC, and a community consultation on both proposals was recommended. === Wikispore === The [[m:Wikispore|application to consider Wikispore]] was submitted in 2019. SPTF decided to review this request in more depth because rather than being concentrated on a specific topic, as most of the proposals for the new Sister Projects are, Wikispore has the potential to nurture multiple start-up Sister Projects. After careful consideration, the SPTF has decided '''not to recommend''' Wikispore as a Wikimedia Sister Project. Considering the current activity level, the current arrangement allows '''better flexibility''' and experimentation while WMF provides core infrastructural support. We acknowledge the initiative's potential and seek community input on what would constitute a sufficient level of activity and engagement to reconsider its status in the future. As part of the process, we shared the decision with the Wikispore community and invited one of its leaders, Pharos, to an SPTF meeting. Currently, we especially invite feedback on measurable criteria indicating the project's readiness, such as contributor numbers, content volume, and sustained community support. This would clarify the criteria sufficient for opening a new Sister Project, including possible future Wikispore re-application. However, the numbers will always be a guide because any number can be gamed. === Wikinews === We chose to review Wikinews among existing Sister Projects because it is the one for which we have observed the highest level of concern in multiple ways. Since the SPTF was convened in 2023, its members have asked for the community's opinions during conferences and community calls about Sister Projects that did not fulfil their promise in the Wikimedia movement.[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WCNA_2024._Sister_Projects_-_opening%3F_closing%3F_merging%3F_splitting%3F.pdf <nowiki>[1]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Sister_Projects_Task_Force#Wikimania_2023_session_%22Sister_Projects:_past,_present_and_the_glorious_future%22 <nowiki>[2]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[3]</nowiki>] Wikinews was the leading candidate for an evaluation because people from multiple language communities proposed it. Additionally, by most measures, it is the least active Sister Project, with the greatest drop in activity over the years. While the Language Committee routinely opens and closes language versions of the Sister Projects in small languages, there has never been a valid proposal to close Wikipedia in major languages or any project in English. This is not true for Wikinews, where there was a proposal to close English Wikinews, which gained some traction but did not result in any action[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_English_Wikinews <nowiki>[4]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[5]</nowiki>, see section 5] as well as a draft proposal to close all languages of Wikinews[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_closing_projects/Archive_2#Close_Wikinews_completely,_all_languages? <nowiki>[6]</nowiki>]. [[:c:File:Sister Projects Taskforce Wikinews review 2024.pdf|Initial metrics]] compiled by WMF staff also support the community's concerns about Wikinews. Based on this report, SPTF recommends a community reevaluation of Wikinews. We conclude that its current structure and activity levels are the lowest among the existing sister projects. SPTF also recommends pausing the opening of new language editions while the consultation runs. SPTF brings this analysis to a discussion and welcomes discussions of alternative outcomes, including potential restructuring efforts or integration with other Wikimedia initiatives. '''Options''' mentioned so far (which might be applied to just low-activity languages or all languages) include but are not limited to: *Restructure how Wikinews works and is linked to other current events efforts on the projects, *Merge the content of Wikinews into the relevant language Wikipedias, possibly in a new namespace, *Merge content into compatibly licensed external projects, *Archive Wikinews projects. Your insights and perspectives are invaluable in shaping the future of these projects. We encourage all interested community members to share their thoughts on the relevant discussion pages or through other designated feedback channels. === Feedback and next steps === We'd be grateful if you want to take part in a conversation on the future of these projects and the review process. We are setting up two different project pages: [[m:Public consultation about Wikispore|Public consultation about Wikispore]] and [[m:Public consultation about Wikinews|Public consultation about Wikinews]]. Please participate between 27 June 2025 and 27 July 2025, after which we will summarize the discussion to move forward. You can write in your own language. I will also host a community conversation 16th July Wednesday 11.00 UTC and 17th July Thursday 17.00 UTC (call links to follow shortly) and will be around at Wikimania for more discussions. <section end="message"/> </div> -- [[User:Victoria|Victoria]] on behalf of the Sister Project Task Force, 20:57, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Johan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Johan_(WMF)/Sister_project_MassMassage_on_behalf_of_Victoria/Target_list&oldid=28911188 --> == Latin incunabula and other early books == Expanding a bit on what I mentioned above, re character toggling, and also working on the books [[Foenix]] and [[Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae]] * the Transkribus Latin Incunabula scan does a great job on the heavy gothic style print * I will see how it does with more Garamond-style texts, in case it works with these * I have developed a fairly full set of templates for scribal characters, see [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] * I am thinking about using a bot to wholesale search and replace long s, and other scribal characters mapped there Between these things, the work to transcribe and correct early printed Latin books should be very much reduced. If anyone feels like helping test this out, do give me shout. Meantime I will run tests on Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae to check how well the bot system works. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:50, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :The folks at Wikisource helped create a JS solution for this, see [[Usor:JimKillock/incunabula.js]]. The script does a search and replace for what is needed, on the '''first save of a new book page'''; these are the settings for the Incunabula style section of [[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|this scan, p 52 onwards]] for [[Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]. It seems to work very well and is extremely labour saving! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 22:59, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == Navigation and validation == Hi there, I would like to do some work on navigation, to provide some "portal" pages similar to EN Wikisource. For example, this would help with learner texts a lot 9I often get asked how to find these texts, I point to the category pages, but these are very basic. I would also like to know what we should do about page validation. Some really necessary changes are currently languishing in the backlog. This is an admin only task: should we asking for more administrators, or is this something existing admins here can take on? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 14:08, 13 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :Hi {{U|JimKillock}} good idea, don't hesitate to start and/or ask for help. That said, I'm not sure to see why this is an admin task (even if, yes, the underlying point is true, we need more admins). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:31, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think the Portal namespace and some modules need setting up which require admin permissions, I will dig a bit further and come back to you. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Wikidata Item and Property labels soon displayed in Wiki Watchlist/Recent Changes == ''(Apologies for posting in English, you can help by translating into your language)'' Hello everyone, the [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects]] team is excited to announce an upcoming change in how Wikidata edit changelogs are displayed in your [[Special:Watchlist|Watchlists]] and [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]] lists. 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[[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 12:46, 14 Iulii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Danny Benjafield (WMDE)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)/MassMessage_Test_List&oldid=28981877 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr"> Upcoming Deployment of the CampaignEvents Extension</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Hello everyone, ''(Apologies for posting in English if English is not your first language. Please help translate to your language.)'' The Campaigns Product Team is planning a global deployment of the '''[[:mw:Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]]''' to all Wikisource, including this Wikisource, during the '''week of August 25th'''. This extension is designed to help organizers plan and manage events, WikiProjects, and other on-wiki collaborations - and to make these efforts more discoverable. The three main features of this extension are: * '''[[:m:Event_Center/Registration|Event Registration]]''': A simple way to sign up for events on the wiki. * '''[[:m:CampaignEvents/Collaboration_list|Collaboration List]]''': A global list of events and a local list of WikiProjects, accessible at '''[[:m:Special:AllEvents|Special:AllEvents]]'''. * '''[[:m:Campaigns/Foundation_Product_Team/Invitation_list|Invitation Lists]]''': A tool to help organizers find editors who might want to join, based on their past contributions. '''Note''': The extension comes with a new user right called '''"Event Organizer"''', which will be managed by administrators on this Wikisource. Organizer tools like Event Registration and Invitation Lists will only work if someone is granted this right. The Collaboration List is available to everyone immediately after deployment. The extension is already live on several wikis, including '''all Wikipedia, Meta, Wikidata''', and more ( [[m:CampaignEvents/Deployment_status#Current_Deployment_Status_for_CampaignEvents_extension| See the full deployment list]]) If you have any questions, concerns, or feedback, please feel free to share them on the [[m:Talk:CampaignEvents| extension talkpage]]. We’d love to hear from you before the rollout. Thank you! <section end="message"/> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:Udehb-WMF|Udehb-WMF]] ([[User talk:Udehb-WMF|disputatio]]) 15:40, 31 Iulii 2025 (UTC)</bdi> <!-- Message sent by User:Udehb-WMF@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Udehb-WMF/sandbox/MM_target_Wikisource&oldid=29066664 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Temporary accounts will be rolled out soon</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="body"/> Hello, we are the Wikimedia Foundation [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity|Product Safety and Integrity]] team. We would like to announce that '''we plan to enable [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] for this wiki in the week of September 1'''. Temporary accounts are successfully live on 30 wikis, including many large ones like German, Japanese, and French. The change they bring is especially relevant to logged-out editors, who this feature is designed to protect. But it is also relevant to community members like mentors, patrollers, and admins – anyone who reverts edits, blocks users, or otherwise interacts with logged-out editors as part of keeping the wikis safe and accurate. '''Why we are building temporary accounts''' Our wikis should be safer to edit by default for logged-out editors. Temporary accounts allow people to continue editing the wikis without creating an account, while avoiding publicly tying their edits to their IP address. We believe this is in the best interest of our logged-out editors, who make valuable contributions to the wikis and who may later create accounts and grow our community of editors, admins, and other roles. Even though the wikis do warn logged-out editors that their IP address will be associated with their edit, many people may not understand what an IP address is, or that it could be used to connect them to other information about them in ways they might not expect. Additionally, our moderation software and tools rely too heavily on network origin (IP addresses) to identify users and patterns of activity, especially as IP addresses themselves are becoming less stable as identifiers. Temporary accounts allow for more precise interactions with logged-out editors, including more precise blocks, and can help limit how often we unintentionally end up blocking good-faith users who use the same IP addresses as bad-faith users. 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In comparison, an IP address can be shared with different devices and people (for example, different people at school or at work might have the same IP address). * Compared to the current situation, it will be safer to assume that a temporary user's talk page belongs to only one person, and messages left there will be read by them. As you can see in the screenshot, temporary account users will receive notifications. It will also be possible to thank them for their edits, ping them in discussions, and invite them to get more involved in the community. 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Thank you!<section end="body" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:user:NKohli (WMF)|NKohli (WMF)]], [[m:user:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]]</bdi> 21:36, 26 Augusti 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Quiddity_(WMF)/sandbox6&oldid=29181713 --> == All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae == I was looking for templates/formulae by looking at <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> All pages in [[Liber:Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Many (all?) pages in [[Liber:Gallia Christiana, 1715, T1.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki>, like article [[Gallia Christiana 1715 01/Epistola2]] These all use [[Formula:Sidenotes begin]]. There is one "[https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&oldid=79709&diff=cur pending change]" on this template. But that change puts the category outside the noinclude. ::<nowiki></noinclude></nowiki> ::<nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Please either reject the change or move the categoria line. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 04:17, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], I don't think anyone from the admins is monitoring or actioning pending changes currently. (see discussions re admin queues above.) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 05:29, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Shenme}} {{done}} I excluded the categories. {{ping|JimKillock}} no blame but be careful next time, categories should always be excluded. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:28, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|VIGNERON}} It wasn't @JimKillock who made [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&diff=next&oldid=79709 the problematic change], but someone else [[Usor:Ceciliawolf]]. I noticed the problem, he included the problem a list that got your attention. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 02:46, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Shenme}} yes, but [[Special:Diff/236794]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 06:57, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Request for admin status == Hi all, given that we have quite a lot of admin requests (mostly relating to "pending" changes), I would like to request administrator status so that some of these can be cleared. If anyone else wants to step up to help out, that would also be welcome. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:23, 1 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Ping to @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], @[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]]:, @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]]:, @[[Usor:Candalua|Candalua]]: in case you feel able to support my request. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:57, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Hi {{U|JimKillock}}, ::I apparently missed it, where do we have « a lot of admin requests » ? ::That said, one more admin is always good, so create the request and I'll support it. ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:34, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::Hi @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]], :::Thank you! On the admin requests, on this page, here are these :::* [[#All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae]] :::* [[#It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace]] (which you have replied to) :::* [[#Navigation and validation]] :::* [[#Administrator backlog?]] :::* [[#Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s)]] (altho this has been worked around and may not be needed) :::Most of these relate to the ''Pending changes'' backlog in various ways; two are requests for new features / modules to be ported across. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks, I see. It doesn't look like a lot to me, I'll try to deal with it today. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:27, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thank you @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] :) You could also take a look at the pending changes on [[Formula:Pagina_prima/Novae_Aetatis]] and [[Moriae encomium]]. The really big job is going through [[Specialis:PendingChanges|pending changes]] altogether - I understand there is a five year backlog. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:36, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::I see... I had a quick look and all changes seem good. Do we even need this extension on Wikisource? Also, if we keep it, I guess we need more reviewers rather than admins (more admins would be useful too, but that's a separate point). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 10:35, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Of course, the request needs to be supported; without active administrators it is very inconvenient. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:21, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::What do you need us to do? BTW, it would be great to know why edits require administrator approvals. Sorry, but I‘m afraid this makes contributing almost pointless. Many thanks for your help, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 14:15, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::So there are two reasons it would be helpful for me to be an admin; one is if we carry on with the approval system (it looks like we will not) and the other is around updating or adding certain components, modules for example. There may be other tasks I am not aware of that I could help with, but these are the ones I know about. Implementing Portal pages for example needs some work by an admin AIUI. :::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] your question re edits needing approval is [[#Do_we_need_to_approve_changes_to_pages|addressed below, here]]. :::In terms of what you / others need to do, it seems that if there is a consensus to allow me administrator permissions, then a bueaucrat user would implement it (I mistakenly opening a request at meta, and they referred me back here); so we just need to have your views, yes, no, maybe, etc. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:01, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::The page [[Vicifons:Magistratus]], intended for promotion, seems to be protected; I couldn't edit it (''petitio grapheocrat'''ae''''') and add a category ([[:Categoria:Usores]]). [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:23, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thanks, it seems editable now so I [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Petitio_magistratus|added my request there]], if anyone wants to support it. Regarding ''grapheocrates -ae'', how is this declined? Is it otherwise treated as a masculine first declension? Thinking it ought to be added to Wiktionary as it is missing from there. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:00, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::This is [https://archive.org/details/calepinusnovus2002/calepinusnovus2002-french-latin/page/n23/mode/1up?q=grapheocrates from Licoppe and Eichenseer]. Yes, this can be added to Wiktionary, I have no experience editing there. Thanks for the corrections, today the system let me in, but yesterday for some unknown reason it didn’t let me in. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:53, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::Thank you and no problem. I can add to Wiktionary I hope; is the plural therefore ''grapheocratae''; and is the singular ''grapheocrates'' or ''grapheocrata''? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:14, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Yes, of course. They took the Modern Greek word γραφειοκράτης. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:41, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::::Great, after a bit of struggle that is at [[:en:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] and [[:la:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:43, 7 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace == It would require someone with interface admin status to create [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index data config.json]] to replace the current index form parameters ([[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index attributes|very old system]]) with special care to not mass delete information by unadvertedly changing some parameter's name. [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config.json Example from the English Wikisource]. If someone wants to help, please contact me. Regards! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 02:10, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]], potentially - if I have admin status :) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:54, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Ignacio Rodríguez}} I did a test (by copy-pasting the English page), it works, so no need to be interface admin, being admin is enough. ::I only half understand that paramater page, could you give me the actual content expected ? ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:38, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::I don't remember all the details but I worked on that page in the Spanish Wikisource almost a decade ago. I'll make a mockup in the talk page, but I can't promise to get all the Latin words right. For ease, parameter names and help tooltips will be in English internally, but they will show in Latin in the form. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::This was added and it now works perfectly. Thanks! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:25, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Do we need to approve changes to pages == Hi all, Moving the discussion regarding the backlog at [[Specialis:PendingChanges]]: @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] asks whether we need to have this feature. I suspect it was switched on because of spam, vandalism, or some other similar issue. Without it we might need to be keeping an eye on recent changes. I am not sure how the proteccted changes permissions works, or whether permissions to make approvals to changes can be delegated more widely. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Changes to pages affecting project *function* must be controlled. But it seems that Pending Changes doesn't actually stop changes to something like a template/formula from having effect? See my report about <nowiki>Formula:Sidenotes begin</nowiki> above. :And checking a couple of the other initial items in [[Specialis:PendingChanges]], it seems that all pending changes are actually immediately applied to active, visible pages. :So Pending Changes <u>does not prevent damage</u> to the project. It is <u>merely a tracking and notification method?</u> :That can be useful, but requires a set of people to be change reviewers. And changes to subject matter would seem to require reviewers knowledgeable about the subject? :And when changes affect *function*, like templates, who can review and approve those? I'd think only admins. :The link to monitoring Recent Changes is undeniable. I monitor Recent Changes often at Spanish Wikisource because I've seen the random damage people can do. That is the only way to react quickly to damage. (?) But then that assumes people are checking lists frequently, at least daily. :Neither Pending Changes or monitoring Recent Changes prevent damage. They can be only part of a solution to damage. I don't know what to think about Pending Changes ''in isolation''. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 03:48, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} I've got mainly two points : ::* vandlism is low to inexistant on la.ws (and it's already low on most Wikisources), making this extension useless and even problematic. Because it doesn't prevent changes but it prevents them to be effective. ::** Apparently the reason to install is [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_VII#protection_of_completed_works_-_Flagged_Revisions_as_an_alternative?]] ::* this extension is actually caleld [[mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs]] and it's deprecated for years (see [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_XI#Futrue_of_FlaggedRevs_(Pending_Changes)_extension]] or the warning on the extension itself « Flagged Revisions is complex, poorly documented, very clunky, and not recommended for production use »). Also, people on Wikisource don't seem to really master or even using it (including the reviewers rights). Maybe it's aan opportunity to list exactly what we need and find a new extension that fit these needs. ::In the end, I see a lot of cons and only a few pros... ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:35, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :I haven't seen any vandalism here in years. But if you fix the errors, the "Pending Changes" status means that the fixes will only be visible to registered users. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:10, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} many thanks for your replies. I must admit that I’m an occasional Wikisource (or even Wikipedia contributor). I essentially (or exclusively) contribute corrections. :Some days ago, I wanted to download an ePub file for the [[Noctes Atticae]] (to do some regexp searches), but the export was wrong. I tried to modify the code (which I have done successfully for the Greek Wikisource many times) and I found out that I needed a ''nihil obstat'' (I’m afraid this would be way to name it). :Of course, I’m the least interested in vandalism (either contributing it myself, or being any collaborative project being infested/polluted by it). But I think there should be a way of distinguishing between vandalism and non-hardcore (or occasional) contributors. :I don’t know any perfect system, but it should be worth considering a mixed approach. Approval could be required for: already flagged users (for vandalism) and recent users (how about a five-year publishing embargo?). :Only to mention a case, my [https://el.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Συμπόσιον_(Πλάτων)&diff=prev&oldid=49677 first contribution to the Greek Wiksource] was in 2012. I don’t know for how long I have been registered in Wikimedia (I guess this was before 2010). :This isn’t about myself, the issue here is that Wikisource needs contributions to even exist (not to mention for its growth). If no regular user is allowed to contribute without approval, cooperation is basically non-existing. :Even with approval, the reply times are incredibly slow (because of the system). It is not that attention spans are getting shorter, time is the most scarce resource we all are (and I don’t have weeks or months to see whether I’m allowed to have [[Noctes Atticae]] as ePub). :Sorry, the sentence in parentheses isn’t a complaint. Please, do as you please, but my contribution is: consider that you might be making contributions way harder, project growth way slower and administrators’ roles way more complicated (probably, than they could and should be). :Many thanks for your help and your project, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 17:15, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think there is consensus we can switch this off. Let me know if I can help in any way if you think it's time to switch it off. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:25, 4 Octobris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks for the reminder and agreed for removal, so I created a task on Phabricator here : [[Phab:T406424]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:42, 5 Octobris 2025 (UTC) ::::Thanks for filing this @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] , the Wikimedia tech team seem to have finished their work on this now! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:16, 18 Octobris 2025 (UTC) == Index page error "Error: Invalid interval" == I am getting an error: at [[:Liber:Nos in schola latine loquimur - Ars latine loquendi.pdf]] "Error: Invalid interval" for the paginae listing; even when set to <code><nowiki><pagelist 1=1 /></nowiki></code>. Any clues appreciated! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:48, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :This might be the infamous "0x0 bug" that has plagued Wikisource for two? three? years. Normally it resolves doing a purge in both the file page in Commons and in the local Wikisource. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 19:34, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Thanks, that seems to b working now. 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We think it may be necessary to use a special / embedded font to do this, as I think was meant for <nowiki>{{blackletter}}</nowiki> ({{blackletter|exempli gratia}}; see [[Formula:Blackletter/styles.css]], although this does not seem to be calling a font at the moment). Does anyone have any advice about how we would add a webfont to LAWS's CSS, particularly for ℣ and ℟ ; or if there is a way to use an existing webfont with these characters that might be available to us? (Or if there is some other workable solution). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:58, 24 Octobris 2025 (UTC) == Vandalismus == Vidi nuper nonnihil vandalismi, qualis in [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Veni,_Veni_Emmanuel!&curid=12961&diff=244803&oldid=244791 hoc] et [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Old_Testament_(Vulgate)/Hieremias_propheta&action=history illo] apparuit. 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Appropriate for here? == What is going on here? * [[Scriptor:Coronus_Tenebrosius]] * [[Contemplationes_Metaphysicae]] * [[Puteus_Chaosi]] * [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius]] No statement of copyright. No proof of authorship. paginae vanitatis ? [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 08:24, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Cum iure auctoris problemata non habebimus, si auctor ipse opera exponit. Et si delere consilium capiemus, [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Saumache|magistratus non habemus]], qui hoc faciant. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:37, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :<blockquote>'''Salvete.''' '''Nomen meum est Krunoslav Mrkoci, et ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' est interpretatio nominis mei in linguam Latinam, id est identitas mea Latina.''' '''Confirmo me ipsum auctorem esse omnium operum hic editorum. Opera primum Croatice scripta sunt, hic autem in versione Latina proposita.''' 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'''Coronus Tenebrosius'''.</blockquote> [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius|Coronus Tenebrosius]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Coronus Tenebrosius|disputatio]]) 12:23, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) == Copying some templates from the English Wikisource == Hello, Would someone please be able to help me get [[s:en:Template:ppoem|en:Template:ppoem]], [[s:en:blackletter|en:blackletter]], [[s:en:Template:he|en:Template:he]], and [[s:en:Template:grc|en:Template:grc]] available to use on this Wikisource, so I can utilize them here? For the blackletter, I've tried [[Formula:Gothica|Gothica]], but that doesn't seem to be rendering properly. Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 00:04, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] I made the shortcut for [[Formula:Graeca]]. You should not need any administror rights to do anything you need, I'll take a look into it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 09:46, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Blackletter is already here, [[:Formula:Gothica]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:57, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Hi! @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]], thanks! Just for clarification, do I need to make the template pages in Latin, or is it alright to copy them in English? Also, @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], I mentioned this above, but for some reason, the Gothica template isn't working for me. See [[Pagina:Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf/15]], for example. Any idea why that might be the case? [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 16:16, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] This wiki lacks proper guidelines and recommendations, I would prefer if you translated the template's name, e.g., [[Formula:spatium]] rather than [[Formula:spatio]] but given the international nature of the project (nobody's mother tongue is Latin) best practice should be to add translated names as shortcuts/redirects. Beware adding templates that are already on the wiki under a different name ([[Formula:grc]] was already at [[Formula:Graeca]]). I took a quick look and it seems the fonts used by the blackletter template are not installed on the wiki; the same template does not seem to work on the French Wikisource either. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 17:40, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::Maybe we have sufficient powers to add the fonts now? Or we can ask someone with additional permissions to do so. But yes I remember now this has been a long standing problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:54, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::[https://yaytext.com/fraktur/ This converter] 𝔠𝔬𝔫𝔳𝔢𝔯𝔱𝔰 𝔩𝔢𝔱𝔱𝔢𝔯𝔰 𝔱𝔬 𝔉𝔯𝔞𝔨𝔱𝔲𝔯 (because it exists in Unicode as separate characters). <s>However, I'm not sure if such text can be found using a regular search.</s> No, Wikipedia search finds it. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:48, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::I looked into using the converter, but I'm running into the issue of lack of compatibility with {{[[Formula:Ls|Ls]]}}. Would it be better to just wait for the font to be added? Do we have any idea when that will happen/who needs to be contacted for that to happen? ::::Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 19:34, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::::These Unicode characters don't feel right on my labtop, they have heigth issues among other things. I went and asked on two different wikis about the fonts, I will come back to you when I get some answers. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 19:41, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :[[Formula:Poema recte formatum]] or [[Formula:Ppoem]] now work, altho there's issues with the documentation page. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:52, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 21:20, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{tl|blackletter}} was not working for me, even after locally installing UnifrakturMaguntia from Google fonts, until I restarted my web browser, which also followed my rebooting. Also, it can't be just any gothic/blackletter font, but must be one of these Fraktur fonts: UnifrakturMaguntia UnifrakturCook Unifraktur. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 21:19, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{ping|Demetrius Talpa|JimKillock|Erblanchard57}} Fonts are downloaded locally, you need to go to Modi/Praeferentiae > Proprietates > Sermonis delectus > Plura > Scripturae and toggle "Download fonts when needed". The option seems not to be that easy to toggle on by default. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 10:56, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, great. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:09, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you very much! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 15:57, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::English WS seems to pull the font in from a repository. I've copied over the module ULS, css etc, would be good to know if it has made any difference. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::{{blackletter|fraktur}} etc [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I just deactivated the "download fonts when needed" option for a second to see if it would work without it, and it still doesn't. 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Every page now has the "Proofread" status, except that a few are also "Validated". I expect it will take quite a while before the whole book gets that second read, if it ever will. My question: is it already acceptable to transclude the text into the main namespace at this stage, even though most pages are only single-proofread rather than validated? Or is there a convention on this Wikisource that a work should be fully validated before merging onto the mainspace? Gratias vobis ago pro consiliis vestris. [[Usor:Sakvaka|Sakvaka]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Sakvaka|disputatio]]) 09:16, 25 Iulii 2026 (UTC) :Of course, this is acceptable; the texts there are of very different quality. Besides, transclusion slightly increases the chances that someone will find it for re-examination. 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Pittacium idcirco e pagina detraxi. --[[Usor:Grufo|Grufo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Grufo|disputatio]]) 20:50, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Nam eaedem quidem editiones sunt, quibusdam minusculis in maiusculas versis litteris formaque apostropharum solum differunt. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 21:08, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default == Hi @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] and others, I noticed that [[:Formula:Littera s longa]] has been changed so that <nowiki>{{s}}</nowiki> produces ſ rather than s by default. This is in contrast to for example English Wikipedia which allows it as a user option, but assumes it is "s" by default. For other formulae, eg {{um}}, {{us}}, {{que}}, etc these are "off" by default. Likewise {{ae}}, {{oe}} I believe are off by default currently. There various ways that this can work, for example: * we could provide a user switch for either state per symbol, etc (with JS, as per EN.WS) * we can provide advice about applying fonts, etc, that can set ſ, ae/oe ligatures, etc, through css preferences * CSS can specify some of this per book (not all ligatures, eg {{que}} can be applied through CSS, and it depends on installed fonts in some cases) * we ''might'' be able to apply a default javascript switch behaviour per book rather than sitewide I don't have a massive preference for s over ſ, or ae / oe over or æ / œ ; but we should I think at least allow users to easily switch, especially re ſ if it is the default. Just throwing it out there for discussion, to see what the general feeling / preference would be. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:40, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :I lacked the rights to have it be toggled on and off through a gadget, we should ask interface administrators to do it, that should be the best way about it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 22:45, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] Take a look to itwikisource gadget "memoRegex". It allows to save and share nsIntex-specific, customable sets of regex or plain substitutions, and it has been recently refined by @Candalua (a great job!). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 10:39, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Portal pages == Hi all, I'd like to suggest we create a few "Portal" pages for some key topics, so we can detail what is good and why rather than just provide category pages. There's a need for a page for introductory Latin, for example, which could explain levels of suitability of texts. See also [[#Navigation and validation]] above To do this, we need community consensus to add a namespace, and then, it is done through a request at Phabricator. The namespace would define what this group of pages were called eg [[Portus:Index]] and also the name of the "Disputatio" (discussion) pages. Please let me know if you agree with this proposal or not, so we can demonstrate consensus for the change to be made. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:50, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :cc @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]]@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:12, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::I consent to the proposal, though I am not sure about the translation 'Portus'. I think that 'Aditus' would better suit this usecase, since from portals users will be able to 'adire' the relevant pages. P.S. Out of curiosity I have checked the dictionary of A. Perugini, and he translates 'portale' as 'porta principalis. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:31, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Ok, sure (regardless, the Vicifons namespace could be used meanwhile to do some testing for the content). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 12:25, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::Ok (even if I'm a inactive admin... :-( ) [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 12:55, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::I totatlly agree! - [[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:OrbiliusMagister|disputatio]]) 13:28, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] By the way, it would be nice if you could [[Vicifons:Scriptorium#Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default|check this out]]! [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 20:53, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Wikiversity was originally intended for educational purposes. But a portal can be created here too. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:00, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I think it would be best to take inspiration from [[:w:la]], at least for the vocabulary. This would: :* provide a vocabulary and structure people may be well acquainted with already :* facilitate our work, not having to find the proper terms for ourselves :* have some sort of continuity between Latin projects :I had started doing this for documentation templates, as they where copied as is from [[:en:Wikisource]]. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 20:50, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::Sure, what do you mean in practice? Does W:la have a phrase for Portal? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 21:29, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::I must say I don't really understand what you precisely intend to put on these pages and why they could not be of the Vicifons namespace. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 00:35, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::It's probably done on En:ws so that search works across portals and mainspace pages but not advice pages; or that search in advice pages does not include results from mainspace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:37, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::Here are some ideas for core pages, following nomenclature used by [[:w:la]] and [[:en:Wikisource]] (names are not definite): :::::* [[Vicifons:De stilo]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Style guide]]) including: titles and their capitalization, use of Roman/Arabic numerals, use of classifiers before numbers (liber, carmen, etc.); regularization of spelling (in non-facsimile pages), anchors, etc. :::::* [[Vicifons:Qualitas paginarum]] :::::* [[Vicifons:De categoriis]] :::::* [[Vicifons:De fontibus]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Sources]]) about how and where, or how not and where not, to find good sources, the fact that most pages don't have sources or are copied from bad sources, e.g., The Latin Library, how to recify this, etc. :::::And help pages: :::::* [[Auxilium:De digitizationem textorum imaginumque ad usum Vicifontis]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Help:Digitising texts and images for Wikisource]]) :::::* etc. :::::I'd be happy to batch something for [[Vicifons:De stilo]], as I think it is really needed. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 13:01, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::I agree, a style guide is badly needed. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:20, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I have sketched something up in my [[Usor:Saumache/Pagina cerata|sandbox]], rules are based on common practices of this wiki and personal preferences, please add rules, comments, sections, etc. without removing anything for the moment: we may discuss any of it on a dedicated discussion page. If my process isn't right and you think or know we sould do this some other way, please tell me. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 16:06, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::On Vicipaedia portals are simply combined [[:w:la:Categoria:Portae|into a category]]; it is not necessary to ask the Phabricator. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 08:19, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) jdoybzj5mutwxkj64b4l95qid70ltfa 276949 276947 2026-08-22T16:25:54Z SZC 03 22335 /* Portal pages */ Reply 276949 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ <!--- __NOTOC__ --->[[Categoria:Vicifons|Scriptorium]] {{Intraincepti |w= Vicipaedia:Taberna |q= Vicicitatio:Taberna |commons: <!-- Communia --> |b= Vicilibri:Porta Communis |wikt= Victionarium:Taberna |m= <!-- Meta --> |wikispecies= <!-- Vicispecies --> |n= <!-- Vicinuntii --> }} <div class="toccolours" style="text-align:center; font-size:14pt; background:#eef; color:navy; "> Hac pagina scriptorium Vicifontis est.<br /> <small><small>Nunc iam sunt '''{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}''' paginae. 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In cooperation with the U4C -- <section end="announcement-content" /> </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 03:41, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)</div> <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s) == On EN wikisource, they have a template <nowiki>{{longs}}</nowiki> to produce ''ſ'' on the transcription page, and by default, ''s'' on the ebook page. users on EN WS can toggle these on and off. In this book, [[:la:Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']], there are a number of unusual characters that could do with toggling: ''ſ (s); ß (ss); ẽ (en / em) ũ (un / um) æ (ae) ę (ae) õ (on / om) ã (an / am) œ (oe)''. ([[:formula:ls]] already exists here for ſ, and some other characters semi-implemented at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] but the toggling is not switched on.) In order to implement this: (1) What would LA WiCategoria:Formulae litterarumkisource need to enable for user toggling of special characters? (2) Who would I contact (assuming this is an admin task)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:06, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :It looks like it would need this installing, as a start: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js|MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:13, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|OrbiliusMagister}} as the only active magister! --[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:16, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|SZC 03}} in case you have an opinion (you made changes at the De Pricipia transcription project which we could implement better with this toggle feature). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:31, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::I would like to point out that not all of the listed characters are of the same kind: ::* ſ is a variant of s; ::* ß, æ and œ are [[:w:en:Ligature (writing)|ligatures]] of ſs, ae and oe respectively ([[:w:en:E caudata|ę]] can represent both ae or oe); ::* ã, ẽ, õ, ũ are used to indicate [[:w:en:Scribal abbreviation|abbreviations]]. ::Personally I think it would be somewhat useful to implement the toggle feature only for æ and œ, since of all the ligatures they are the only ones that carry some meaning (that ae or oe in that word is a diphthong) and the only ones that easily show up in search results and correctly displayed in web-browsers. ::Note that both English and Italian wikisources in their transcription guidelines take in consideration the ability of both modern readers and search engines to correctly interpret the character shown (see [[:en:Wikisource:Style guide/Orthography]] and [[:it:Wikisource:Convenzioni di trascrizione]]). Though it would be useful to write rules specific to the Latin wikisource. ::I hope these considerations were of any help. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 07:58, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) ::In regards to the [[Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']] it would be appropriate to encode the text in a way that we do not lose your work of accurately transcribing the above characters, while still showing to the end user a normalized form. My edit was trying to achieve this with the templates currently in wikisource. ::From a technical standpoint, it would be useful to have a general template not specific to any character that could be used both in ''ad hoc'' situations, and in creating other templates. ::Also if such a template is created for abbreviations it should behave differently from the long s and ligatures, since 1) the text displayed is context dependent, and 2) it is common use in diplomatic transcriptions to show the abbreviated characters in parentheses (so I were taught in paleography class). ::To give an example of point 2 from the text ([[Pagina:Nicolaus_Machiavellus_De_Principe.pdf/69|page 45]], line 11): ::Original text: Iãq́ꝫ ::Diplomatic transcription: Ia(m)q(ue) ::Standard transcription: Iamque ::I’m sorry for the lengthy comments. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:02, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I agree something adhoc would be helpful. The template would need to specify :::* the text as-is and :::* the modernised version :::and hopefully there would be a system to pick up which to display. :::In terms of the display: this could be the js system, perhaps adapted, that we have on en.ws, or possibly it could be an adjustment to the page templates set up, to allow two different books, or sets of pages, to be presented. This would have the advantage that exports would facilitate both (IDK but suspect that exports support the default rather than user choice). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 15:48, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I have set out this information in a [[Usor:JimKillock/Orthography|table]] including information about dictionary lookups and likely search engine issues. In short, from a user perspective, all the characters can be problematic, but æ and œ work within Alpheios for dictionary lookups, so are a bit more tolerable than the others from a default perspective. However I think it is useful tobe able to see and use the originals for some people, eg those practicing reading Renaissance scans etc; or researchers or academics looking to use source texts. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:09, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|Alex brollo}}, {{ping|VIGNERON}}, {{ping|Candalua}} in case you can help. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:38, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] Interesting question. I'll take a look to the ensource template to understand how it works (I hope it is not based on javascript). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 06:18, 1 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I’m afraid it is based on javascript: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] :::To see the button you have to enable the [[:en:Help:Gadget-Visibility|Visibility gadget]]. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:12, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] checking in whether we can implement this, or find another solution. I am holding off further changes until I know how to proceed - but I am sure there should be a way to do this! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:40, 19 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::Noting this question comes up again at [[:Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] (I have [[Disputatio Libri:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|left a note there]]). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:08, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::OK, I have developed templates as this is holding up other people's work. I have based each template on the existing [[:formula:ls]], and avoid duplicating those that already exist using the same method at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]]. Meantime if anyone has further thoughts about using Visibility Gadget or going another way, I would be very grateful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:02, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] I have made a very basic template for flexible character switching at [[Formula:Scr]]; this returns the first entry on the book page, and the second in main space, eg <nowiki>{{scr|qꝫ|que}}</nowiki> would work the same as <nowiki>{{que}}</nowiki>. :::::However there is advice on ENWS not to use characters but use HTML entities for CSS reasons, so it is probably better for users to use specific templates. For example, I also created <nowiki>{{po}}</nowiki> which allows a user to decide what it might best represent, eg <nowiki>{{po|;}} or {{po|?}}</nowiki>. :::::In general, using set templates like <nowiki>{{que}}, {{em}}, {{um}}, {{etc}}</nowiki> is much easier for proofing, so I think I will continue to add these where it seems useful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:29, 24 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Hi folks, so that you know, I have made something of a workaround to be able to enable these features, which works well enough for me. I will perhaps add some guidance somewhere. What I have done: ::::::# Installed the font Garamontio, as it has the qꝫ character, and all the possible ligatures ::::::# Created custom css to apply Garamontio to Wikisource as a whole; at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.css]]; and ::::::# Created (vibecoded) custom javascript at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.js]] ::::::The second script looks for the various spans with the css style typographic-long-s, and replaces the characters as appropriate. This seems to work surprisingly well, Garamontio does all of the discretionary ligatures etc, and is a very well designed font (fork of EB Garamond, with some extra touches useful here). The issue is of course that this applies to the whole of Latin Wikisource all of the time. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:35, 25 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], reading this I wanted to tell you that you could apply styles to a index page, but I see you have already figured it out. Kudos on your progress. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 09:56, 9 Iulii 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Thanks @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]]; my list of scribal transformations has got quite long tho. And I need to check on the possible logic of it, some needs to hide and unhide, rather than search and replace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:27, 11 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == We will be enabling the new Charts extension on your wiki soon! == ''(Apologies for posting in English)'' Hi all! We have good news to share regarding the ongoing problem with graphs and charts affecting all wikis that use them. As you probably know, the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|old Graph extension]] was disabled in 2023 [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/EWL4AGBEZEDMNNFTM4FRD4MHOU3CVESO/|due to security reasons]]. We’ve worked in these two years to find a solution that could replace the old extension, and provide a safer and better solution to users who wanted to showcase graphs and charts in their articles. We therefore developed the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Charts extension]], which will be replacing the old Graph extension and potentially also the [[:mw:Extension:EasyTimeline|EasyTimeline extension]]. After successfully deploying the extension on Italian, Swedish, and Hebrew Wikipedia, as well as on MediaWiki.org, as part of a pilot phase, we are now happy to announce that we are moving forward with the next phase of deployment, which will also include your wiki. The deployment will happen in batches, and will start from '''May 6'''. Please, consult [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|our page on MediaWiki.org]] to discover when the new Charts extension will be deployed on your wiki. 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If you have any questions, you can ask on [[m:Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025|the discussion page for the election]]. -- in cooperation with the U4C, </div><section end="announcement-content" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User_talk:Keegan (WMF)|disputatio]])</bdi> 22:08, 15 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> ''(Apologies for posting in English, if this is not your first language)'' Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation. You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:27, 22 Maii 2025 (UTC) </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sannita_(WMF)/Mass_sending_test&oldid=28768453 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection & Call for Questions</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="announcement-content" /> :''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Selection announcement|{{int:interlanguage-link-mul}}]] • [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-{{urlencode:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Selection announcement}}&language=&action=page&filter= {{int:please-translate}}]'' Dear all, This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats. The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4]. Here are the key planned dates: * May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6] * June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates * July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5] * August 2025: Campaign period * August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period * October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates * Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]]. '''Call for Questions''' In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]] '''Election Volunteers''' Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]] Thank you! [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results [2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter [3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024 [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates Best regards, Victoria Doronina Board Liaison to the Elections Committee Governance Committee<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 03:08, 28 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:RamzyM (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Administrator backlog? == Hi there, I am noticing a lot of pages that say that the current version is not checked; and versions I have amended are not (apparently) displayed because they need approval. Am I right in assuming this is due to a lack of (active) administrator time? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:53, 30 Maii 2025 (UTC) :Relatedly @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] / @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] / other admins, [[Colloquia familiaria]] has an old index page and other old sub pages which could do with changes being approved. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:58, 12 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::Ping on this, some of the sub pages are quite broken. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:42, 28 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :I have tried to fix the lack of text in ePub export for [[Noctes Atticae]]. :Unfortunately, it seems that all my submissions require approval (last approval seems to have taken place more than five years ago). :Is there any way to have <code>class="ws-export"</code> to the second <code>&lt;table&gt;</code> from [[Noctes Atticae]]? :Many thanks for your help, [[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 19:09, 15 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] Checking you know this is working now [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:21, 18 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Vote now in the 2025 U4C Election == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> Apologies for writing in English. {{Int:Please-translate}} Eligible voters are asked to participate in the 2025 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee]] election. More information–including an eligibility check, voting process information, candidate information, and a link to the vote–are available on Meta at the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Election/2025|2025 Election information page]]. The vote closes on 17 June 2025 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1750161600 12:00 UTC]. Please vote if your account is eligible. Results will be available by 1 July 2025. -- In cooperation with the U4C, [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 23:01, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28848819 --> == Mnemonics Book in Latin == Dear all, Over the past month, with the help of others, I’ve been compiling a list of older and often overlooked books on mnemonic techniques available on [[:en:Portal:Mnemonics|Wikisource English]]. Many of these works—some dating back decades or even centuries—offer fascinating insights into how memory has been understood, trained, and improved across different cultures and time periods. I've recently added a new section to the portal: "Multilingual Works on Mnemonic Techniques." This is in part because several of the English-language texts reference related works in other languages, particularly Latin. Unfortunately, many of these referenced works are written in Classical Latin, and my ability to work with them is quite limited—I’ve done what I can, but they remain largely inaccessible to me. If anyone has expertise in Classical Latin and might be willing to help with these texts, your assistance would be greatly appreciated. * ''[[:la:Foenix|Foenix]] by [[w:en:Peter of Ravenna|Peter of Ravenna]]'' (1491) * ''[[:la:Congestorium Artificiose Memorie|Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]'' by Johann Horst von Romberch (1533) [[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032259.jpg|150px]][[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032269.jpg|150px]] Here is a discussion form on it https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/johannes-romberchs-congestorium-artificiose-memorie/30174 Warm regards [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 23:15, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :Hi there, I could help proofing texts you have prepared perhaps? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:57, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :: Thanks for offering—I’d really appreciate your help with proofreading. :: We have two books. Which one would you like to start with? ::*[[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] ::*[[Liber:Congestorium artificiose memorie ... - V.P.F. Joa(n)nis Romberch de Kyrspe. Regularis obseruantie predicatorie- (IA hin-wel-all-00002875-001).pdf]] ::[[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 21:49, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I can do the pages you have put into the first, as a start for you. BTW the transcribed text does not always look like it originated from the source. It is very correct, but some has different orthography and missed certain parts. That is fine of course if we are correcting to the original. (PS: you might want to create a user account so that you can be notified of replies, hide your IP address, etc). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:57, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I had a go at the first page or two; some of the orthography was removed while other parts were kept. I kept all of it as a first go. See the discussion above about how we treat orthography, hopefully we can address this with templates. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:11, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::I'm using Google OCR and some AI tools to pull out text and sometimes translate it into English so I can understand it. If anyone could help me proofread or check it, I’d be super grateful! [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 00:50, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::I have added all the templates we need for the special characters / orthography, I will start doing the pages with those. The end result will be that on the main space ebook pages, the chars will toggle on and off, at least once that is properly implemented. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:25, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Noted, sounds good. I’ll try adding to the other pages next time. 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[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:14, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Sister Projects Task Force reviews Wikispore and Wikinews</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Dear Wikimedia Community, The [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee|Community Affairs Committee (CAC)]] of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees assigned [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Sister Projects Task Force|the Sister Projects Task Force (SPTF)]] to update and implement a procedure for assessing the lifecycle of Sister Projects – wiki [[m:Wikimedia projects|projects supported by Wikimedia Foundation (WMF)]]. A vision of relevant, accessible, and impactful free knowledge has always guided the Wikimedia Movement. As the ecosystem of Wikimedia projects continues to evolve, it is crucial that we periodically review existing projects to ensure they still align with our goals and community capacity. Despite their noble intent, some projects may no longer effectively serve their original purpose. '''Reviewing such projects is not about giving up – it's about responsible stewardship of shared resources'''. Volunteer time, staff support, infrastructure, and community attention are finite, and the non-technical costs tend to grow significantly as our ecosystem has entered a different age of the internet than the one we were founded in. Supporting inactive projects or projects that didn't meet our ambitions can unintentionally divert these resources from areas with more potential impact. Moreover, maintaining projects that no longer reflect the quality and reliability of the Wikimedia name stands for, involves a reputational risk. An abandoned or less reliable project affects trust in the Wikimedia movement. Lastly, '''failing to sunset or reimagine projects that are no longer working can make it much harder to start new ones'''. When the community feels bound to every past decision – no matter how outdated – we risk stagnation. A healthy ecosystem must allow for evolution, adaptation, and, when necessary, letting go. If we create the expectation that every project must exist indefinitely, we limit our ability to experiment and innovate. Because of this, SPTF reviewed two requests concerning the lifecycle of the Sister Projects to work through and demonstrate the review process. We chose Wikispore as a case study for a possible new Sister Project opening and Wikinews as a case study for a review of an existing project. Preliminary findings were discussed with the CAC, and a community consultation on both proposals was recommended. === Wikispore === The [[m:Wikispore|application to consider Wikispore]] was submitted in 2019. SPTF decided to review this request in more depth because rather than being concentrated on a specific topic, as most of the proposals for the new Sister Projects are, Wikispore has the potential to nurture multiple start-up Sister Projects. After careful consideration, the SPTF has decided '''not to recommend''' Wikispore as a Wikimedia Sister Project. Considering the current activity level, the current arrangement allows '''better flexibility''' and experimentation while WMF provides core infrastructural support. We acknowledge the initiative's potential and seek community input on what would constitute a sufficient level of activity and engagement to reconsider its status in the future. As part of the process, we shared the decision with the Wikispore community and invited one of its leaders, Pharos, to an SPTF meeting. Currently, we especially invite feedback on measurable criteria indicating the project's readiness, such as contributor numbers, content volume, and sustained community support. This would clarify the criteria sufficient for opening a new Sister Project, including possible future Wikispore re-application. However, the numbers will always be a guide because any number can be gamed. === Wikinews === We chose to review Wikinews among existing Sister Projects because it is the one for which we have observed the highest level of concern in multiple ways. Since the SPTF was convened in 2023, its members have asked for the community's opinions during conferences and community calls about Sister Projects that did not fulfil their promise in the Wikimedia movement.[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WCNA_2024._Sister_Projects_-_opening%3F_closing%3F_merging%3F_splitting%3F.pdf <nowiki>[1]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Sister_Projects_Task_Force#Wikimania_2023_session_%22Sister_Projects:_past,_present_and_the_glorious_future%22 <nowiki>[2]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[3]</nowiki>] Wikinews was the leading candidate for an evaluation because people from multiple language communities proposed it. Additionally, by most measures, it is the least active Sister Project, with the greatest drop in activity over the years. While the Language Committee routinely opens and closes language versions of the Sister Projects in small languages, there has never been a valid proposal to close Wikipedia in major languages or any project in English. This is not true for Wikinews, where there was a proposal to close English Wikinews, which gained some traction but did not result in any action[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_English_Wikinews <nowiki>[4]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[5]</nowiki>, see section 5] as well as a draft proposal to close all languages of Wikinews[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_closing_projects/Archive_2#Close_Wikinews_completely,_all_languages? <nowiki>[6]</nowiki>]. [[:c:File:Sister Projects Taskforce Wikinews review 2024.pdf|Initial metrics]] compiled by WMF staff also support the community's concerns about Wikinews. Based on this report, SPTF recommends a community reevaluation of Wikinews. We conclude that its current structure and activity levels are the lowest among the existing sister projects. SPTF also recommends pausing the opening of new language editions while the consultation runs. SPTF brings this analysis to a discussion and welcomes discussions of alternative outcomes, including potential restructuring efforts or integration with other Wikimedia initiatives. '''Options''' mentioned so far (which might be applied to just low-activity languages or all languages) include but are not limited to: *Restructure how Wikinews works and is linked to other current events efforts on the projects, *Merge the content of Wikinews into the relevant language Wikipedias, possibly in a new namespace, *Merge content into compatibly licensed external projects, *Archive Wikinews projects. Your insights and perspectives are invaluable in shaping the future of these projects. We encourage all interested community members to share their thoughts on the relevant discussion pages or through other designated feedback channels. === Feedback and next steps === We'd be grateful if you want to take part in a conversation on the future of these projects and the review process. We are setting up two different project pages: [[m:Public consultation about Wikispore|Public consultation about Wikispore]] and [[m:Public consultation about Wikinews|Public consultation about Wikinews]]. Please participate between 27 June 2025 and 27 July 2025, after which we will summarize the discussion to move forward. You can write in your own language. I will also host a community conversation 16th July Wednesday 11.00 UTC and 17th July Thursday 17.00 UTC (call links to follow shortly) and will be around at Wikimania for more discussions. <section end="message"/> </div> -- [[User:Victoria|Victoria]] on behalf of the Sister Project Task Force, 20:57, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Johan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Johan_(WMF)/Sister_project_MassMassage_on_behalf_of_Victoria/Target_list&oldid=28911188 --> == Latin incunabula and other early books == Expanding a bit on what I mentioned above, re character toggling, and also working on the books [[Foenix]] and [[Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae]] * the Transkribus Latin Incunabula scan does a great job on the heavy gothic style print * I will see how it does with more Garamond-style texts, in case it works with these * I have developed a fairly full set of templates for scribal characters, see [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] * I am thinking about using a bot to wholesale search and replace long s, and other scribal characters mapped there Between these things, the work to transcribe and correct early printed Latin books should be very much reduced. If anyone feels like helping test this out, do give me shout. Meantime I will run tests on Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae to check how well the bot system works. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:50, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :The folks at Wikisource helped create a JS solution for this, see [[Usor:JimKillock/incunabula.js]]. The script does a search and replace for what is needed, on the '''first save of a new book page'''; these are the settings for the Incunabula style section of [[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|this scan, p 52 onwards]] for [[Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]. It seems to work very well and is extremely labour saving! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 22:59, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == Navigation and validation == Hi there, I would like to do some work on navigation, to provide some "portal" pages similar to EN Wikisource. For example, this would help with learner texts a lot 9I often get asked how to find these texts, I point to the category pages, but these are very basic. I would also like to know what we should do about page validation. Some really necessary changes are currently languishing in the backlog. This is an admin only task: should we asking for more administrators, or is this something existing admins here can take on? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 14:08, 13 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :Hi {{U|JimKillock}} good idea, don't hesitate to start and/or ask for help. That said, I'm not sure to see why this is an admin task (even if, yes, the underlying point is true, we need more admins). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:31, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think the Portal namespace and some modules need setting up which require admin permissions, I will dig a bit further and come back to you. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Wikidata Item and Property labels soon displayed in Wiki Watchlist/Recent Changes == ''(Apologies for posting in English, you can help by translating into your language)'' Hello everyone, the [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects]] team is excited to announce an upcoming change in how Wikidata edit changelogs are displayed in your [[Special:Watchlist|Watchlists]] and [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]] lists. 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[[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 12:46, 14 Iulii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Danny Benjafield (WMDE)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)/MassMessage_Test_List&oldid=28981877 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr"> Upcoming Deployment of the CampaignEvents Extension</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Hello everyone, ''(Apologies for posting in English if English is not your first language. Please help translate to your language.)'' The Campaigns Product Team is planning a global deployment of the '''[[:mw:Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]]''' to all Wikisource, including this Wikisource, during the '''week of August 25th'''. This extension is designed to help organizers plan and manage events, WikiProjects, and other on-wiki collaborations - and to make these efforts more discoverable. The three main features of this extension are: * '''[[:m:Event_Center/Registration|Event Registration]]''': A simple way to sign up for events on the wiki. * '''[[:m:CampaignEvents/Collaboration_list|Collaboration List]]''': A global list of events and a local list of WikiProjects, accessible at '''[[:m:Special:AllEvents|Special:AllEvents]]'''. * '''[[:m:Campaigns/Foundation_Product_Team/Invitation_list|Invitation Lists]]''': A tool to help organizers find editors who might want to join, based on their past contributions. '''Note''': The extension comes with a new user right called '''"Event Organizer"''', which will be managed by administrators on this Wikisource. Organizer tools like Event Registration and Invitation Lists will only work if someone is granted this right. The Collaboration List is available to everyone immediately after deployment. The extension is already live on several wikis, including '''all Wikipedia, Meta, Wikidata''', and more ( [[m:CampaignEvents/Deployment_status#Current_Deployment_Status_for_CampaignEvents_extension| See the full deployment list]]) If you have any questions, concerns, or feedback, please feel free to share them on the [[m:Talk:CampaignEvents| extension talkpage]]. We’d love to hear from you before the rollout. Thank you! <section end="message"/> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:Udehb-WMF|Udehb-WMF]] ([[User talk:Udehb-WMF|disputatio]]) 15:40, 31 Iulii 2025 (UTC)</bdi> <!-- Message sent by User:Udehb-WMF@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Udehb-WMF/sandbox/MM_target_Wikisource&oldid=29066664 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Temporary accounts will be rolled out soon</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="body"/> Hello, we are the Wikimedia Foundation [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity|Product Safety and Integrity]] team. We would like to announce that '''we plan to enable [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] for this wiki in the week of September 1'''. Temporary accounts are successfully live on 30 wikis, including many large ones like German, Japanese, and French. The change they bring is especially relevant to logged-out editors, who this feature is designed to protect. But it is also relevant to community members like mentors, patrollers, and admins – anyone who reverts edits, blocks users, or otherwise interacts with logged-out editors as part of keeping the wikis safe and accurate. '''Why we are building temporary accounts''' Our wikis should be safer to edit by default for logged-out editors. Temporary accounts allow people to continue editing the wikis without creating an account, while avoiding publicly tying their edits to their IP address. We believe this is in the best interest of our logged-out editors, who make valuable contributions to the wikis and who may later create accounts and grow our community of editors, admins, and other roles. Even though the wikis do warn logged-out editors that their IP address will be associated with their edit, many people may not understand what an IP address is, or that it could be used to connect them to other information about them in ways they might not expect. Additionally, our moderation software and tools rely too heavily on network origin (IP addresses) to identify users and patterns of activity, especially as IP addresses themselves are becoming less stable as identifiers. Temporary accounts allow for more precise interactions with logged-out editors, including more precise blocks, and can help limit how often we unintentionally end up blocking good-faith users who use the same IP addresses as bad-faith users. 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'''For logged-out editors''' * This increases privacy: currently, if you do not use a registered account to edit, then everybody can see the IP address for the edits you made, even after 90 days. That will no longer be possible on this wiki. * If you use a temporary account to edit from different locations in the last 90 days (for example at home and at a coffee shop), the edit history and the IP addresses for all those locations will now be recorded together, for the same temporary account. Users who [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Access_to_temporary_account_IP_addresses|meet the relevant requirements]] will be able to view this data. If this creates any personal security concerns for you, please contact talktohumanrights at wikimedia.org for advice. '''For community members interacting with logged-out editors''' * A temporary account is uniquely linked to a device. In comparison, an IP address can be shared with different devices and people (for example, different people at school or at work might have the same IP address). * Compared to the current situation, it will be safer to assume that a temporary user's talk page belongs to only one person, and messages left there will be read by them. As you can see in the screenshot, temporary account users will receive notifications. It will also be possible to thank them for their edits, ping them in discussions, and invite them to get more involved in the community. 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We will try to help, and if we are not able, we will consider the available options. * Look at our [[m:Meta:Babel#Temporary_Accounts:_access_to_IP_addresses_and_next_steps|previous message]] about requirements for users without extended rights who may need access to IP addresses. To learn more about the project, check out [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/FAQ|our FAQ]] – you will find many useful answers there. You may also [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/Updates|look at the updates]] (we have just posted one) and [[mw:Newsletter:Product Safety and Integrity|subscribe to our new newsletter]]. If you'd like to talk to me (Szymon) off-wiki, you will find me on Discord and Telegram. Thank you!<section end="body" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:user:NKohli (WMF)|NKohli (WMF)]], [[m:user:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]]</bdi> 21:36, 26 Augusti 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Quiddity_(WMF)/sandbox6&oldid=29181713 --> == All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae == I was looking for templates/formulae by looking at <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> All pages in [[Liber:Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Many (all?) pages in [[Liber:Gallia Christiana, 1715, T1.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki>, like article [[Gallia Christiana 1715 01/Epistola2]] These all use [[Formula:Sidenotes begin]]. There is one "[https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&oldid=79709&diff=cur pending change]" on this template. But that change puts the category outside the noinclude. ::<nowiki></noinclude></nowiki> ::<nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Please either reject the change or move the categoria line. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 04:17, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], I don't think anyone from the admins is monitoring or actioning pending changes currently. (see discussions re admin queues above.) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 05:29, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Shenme}} {{done}} I excluded the categories. {{ping|JimKillock}} no blame but be careful next time, categories should always be excluded. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:28, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|VIGNERON}} It wasn't @JimKillock who made [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&diff=next&oldid=79709 the problematic change], but someone else [[Usor:Ceciliawolf]]. I noticed the problem, he included the problem a list that got your attention. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 02:46, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Shenme}} yes, but [[Special:Diff/236794]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 06:57, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Request for admin status == Hi all, given that we have quite a lot of admin requests (mostly relating to "pending" changes), I would like to request administrator status so that some of these can be cleared. If anyone else wants to step up to help out, that would also be welcome. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:23, 1 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Ping to @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], @[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]]:, @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]]:, @[[Usor:Candalua|Candalua]]: in case you feel able to support my request. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:57, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Hi {{U|JimKillock}}, ::I apparently missed it, where do we have « a lot of admin requests » ? ::That said, one more admin is always good, so create the request and I'll support it. ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:34, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::Hi @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]], :::Thank you! On the admin requests, on this page, here are these :::* [[#All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae]] :::* [[#It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace]] (which you have replied to) :::* [[#Navigation and validation]] :::* [[#Administrator backlog?]] :::* [[#Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s)]] (altho this has been worked around and may not be needed) :::Most of these relate to the ''Pending changes'' backlog in various ways; two are requests for new features / modules to be ported across. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks, I see. It doesn't look like a lot to me, I'll try to deal with it today. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:27, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thank you @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] :) You could also take a look at the pending changes on [[Formula:Pagina_prima/Novae_Aetatis]] and [[Moriae encomium]]. The really big job is going through [[Specialis:PendingChanges|pending changes]] altogether - I understand there is a five year backlog. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:36, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::I see... I had a quick look and all changes seem good. Do we even need this extension on Wikisource? Also, if we keep it, I guess we need more reviewers rather than admins (more admins would be useful too, but that's a separate point). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 10:35, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Of course, the request needs to be supported; without active administrators it is very inconvenient. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:21, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::What do you need us to do? BTW, it would be great to know why edits require administrator approvals. Sorry, but I‘m afraid this makes contributing almost pointless. Many thanks for your help, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 14:15, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::So there are two reasons it would be helpful for me to be an admin; one is if we carry on with the approval system (it looks like we will not) and the other is around updating or adding certain components, modules for example. There may be other tasks I am not aware of that I could help with, but these are the ones I know about. Implementing Portal pages for example needs some work by an admin AIUI. :::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] your question re edits needing approval is [[#Do_we_need_to_approve_changes_to_pages|addressed below, here]]. :::In terms of what you / others need to do, it seems that if there is a consensus to allow me administrator permissions, then a bueaucrat user would implement it (I mistakenly opening a request at meta, and they referred me back here); so we just need to have your views, yes, no, maybe, etc. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:01, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::The page [[Vicifons:Magistratus]], intended for promotion, seems to be protected; I couldn't edit it (''petitio grapheocrat'''ae''''') and add a category ([[:Categoria:Usores]]). [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:23, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thanks, it seems editable now so I [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Petitio_magistratus|added my request there]], if anyone wants to support it. Regarding ''grapheocrates -ae'', how is this declined? Is it otherwise treated as a masculine first declension? Thinking it ought to be added to Wiktionary as it is missing from there. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:00, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::This is [https://archive.org/details/calepinusnovus2002/calepinusnovus2002-french-latin/page/n23/mode/1up?q=grapheocrates from Licoppe and Eichenseer]. Yes, this can be added to Wiktionary, I have no experience editing there. Thanks for the corrections, today the system let me in, but yesterday for some unknown reason it didn’t let me in. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:53, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::Thank you and no problem. I can add to Wiktionary I hope; is the plural therefore ''grapheocratae''; and is the singular ''grapheocrates'' or ''grapheocrata''? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:14, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Yes, of course. They took the Modern Greek word γραφειοκράτης. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:41, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::::Great, after a bit of struggle that is at [[:en:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] and [[:la:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:43, 7 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace == It would require someone with interface admin status to create [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index data config.json]] to replace the current index form parameters ([[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index attributes|very old system]]) with special care to not mass delete information by unadvertedly changing some parameter's name. [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config.json Example from the English Wikisource]. If someone wants to help, please contact me. Regards! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 02:10, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]], potentially - if I have admin status :) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:54, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Ignacio Rodríguez}} I did a test (by copy-pasting the English page), it works, so no need to be interface admin, being admin is enough. ::I only half understand that paramater page, could you give me the actual content expected ? ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:38, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::I don't remember all the details but I worked on that page in the Spanish Wikisource almost a decade ago. I'll make a mockup in the talk page, but I can't promise to get all the Latin words right. For ease, parameter names and help tooltips will be in English internally, but they will show in Latin in the form. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::This was added and it now works perfectly. Thanks! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:25, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Do we need to approve changes to pages == Hi all, Moving the discussion regarding the backlog at [[Specialis:PendingChanges]]: @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] asks whether we need to have this feature. I suspect it was switched on because of spam, vandalism, or some other similar issue. Without it we might need to be keeping an eye on recent changes. I am not sure how the proteccted changes permissions works, or whether permissions to make approvals to changes can be delegated more widely. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Changes to pages affecting project *function* must be controlled. But it seems that Pending Changes doesn't actually stop changes to something like a template/formula from having effect? See my report about <nowiki>Formula:Sidenotes begin</nowiki> above. :And checking a couple of the other initial items in [[Specialis:PendingChanges]], it seems that all pending changes are actually immediately applied to active, visible pages. :So Pending Changes <u>does not prevent damage</u> to the project. It is <u>merely a tracking and notification method?</u> :That can be useful, but requires a set of people to be change reviewers. And changes to subject matter would seem to require reviewers knowledgeable about the subject? :And when changes affect *function*, like templates, who can review and approve those? I'd think only admins. :The link to monitoring Recent Changes is undeniable. I monitor Recent Changes often at Spanish Wikisource because I've seen the random damage people can do. That is the only way to react quickly to damage. (?) But then that assumes people are checking lists frequently, at least daily. :Neither Pending Changes or monitoring Recent Changes prevent damage. They can be only part of a solution to damage. I don't know what to think about Pending Changes ''in isolation''. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 03:48, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} I've got mainly two points : ::* vandlism is low to inexistant on la.ws (and it's already low on most Wikisources), making this extension useless and even problematic. Because it doesn't prevent changes but it prevents them to be effective. ::** Apparently the reason to install is [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_VII#protection_of_completed_works_-_Flagged_Revisions_as_an_alternative?]] ::* this extension is actually caleld [[mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs]] and it's deprecated for years (see [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_XI#Futrue_of_FlaggedRevs_(Pending_Changes)_extension]] or the warning on the extension itself « Flagged Revisions is complex, poorly documented, very clunky, and not recommended for production use »). Also, people on Wikisource don't seem to really master or even using it (including the reviewers rights). Maybe it's aan opportunity to list exactly what we need and find a new extension that fit these needs. ::In the end, I see a lot of cons and only a few pros... ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:35, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :I haven't seen any vandalism here in years. But if you fix the errors, the "Pending Changes" status means that the fixes will only be visible to registered users. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:10, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} many thanks for your replies. I must admit that I’m an occasional Wikisource (or even Wikipedia contributor). I essentially (or exclusively) contribute corrections. :Some days ago, I wanted to download an ePub file for the [[Noctes Atticae]] (to do some regexp searches), but the export was wrong. I tried to modify the code (which I have done successfully for the Greek Wikisource many times) and I found out that I needed a ''nihil obstat'' (I’m afraid this would be way to name it). :Of course, I’m the least interested in vandalism (either contributing it myself, or being any collaborative project being infested/polluted by it). But I think there should be a way of distinguishing between vandalism and non-hardcore (or occasional) contributors. :I don’t know any perfect system, but it should be worth considering a mixed approach. Approval could be required for: already flagged users (for vandalism) and recent users (how about a five-year publishing embargo?). :Only to mention a case, my [https://el.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Συμπόσιον_(Πλάτων)&diff=prev&oldid=49677 first contribution to the Greek Wiksource] was in 2012. I don’t know for how long I have been registered in Wikimedia (I guess this was before 2010). :This isn’t about myself, the issue here is that Wikisource needs contributions to even exist (not to mention for its growth). If no regular user is allowed to contribute without approval, cooperation is basically non-existing. :Even with approval, the reply times are incredibly slow (because of the system). It is not that attention spans are getting shorter, time is the most scarce resource we all are (and I don’t have weeks or months to see whether I’m allowed to have [[Noctes Atticae]] as ePub). :Sorry, the sentence in parentheses isn’t a complaint. Please, do as you please, but my contribution is: consider that you might be making contributions way harder, project growth way slower and administrators’ roles way more complicated (probably, than they could and should be). :Many thanks for your help and your project, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 17:15, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think there is consensus we can switch this off. Let me know if I can help in any way if you think it's time to switch it off. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:25, 4 Octobris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks for the reminder and agreed for removal, so I created a task on Phabricator here : [[Phab:T406424]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:42, 5 Octobris 2025 (UTC) ::::Thanks for filing this @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] , the Wikimedia tech team seem to have finished their work on this now! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:16, 18 Octobris 2025 (UTC) == Index page error "Error: Invalid interval" == I am getting an error: at [[:Liber:Nos in schola latine loquimur - Ars latine loquendi.pdf]] "Error: Invalid interval" for the paginae listing; even when set to <code><nowiki><pagelist 1=1 /></nowiki></code>. Any clues appreciated! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:48, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :This might be the infamous "0x0 bug" that has plagued Wikisource for two? three? years. Normally it resolves doing a purge in both the file page in Commons and in the local Wikisource. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 19:34, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Thanks, that seems to b working now. 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We think it may be necessary to use a special / embedded font to do this, as I think was meant for <nowiki>{{blackletter}}</nowiki> ({{blackletter|exempli gratia}}; see [[Formula:Blackletter/styles.css]], although this does not seem to be calling a font at the moment). Does anyone have any advice about how we would add a webfont to LAWS's CSS, particularly for ℣ and ℟ ; or if there is a way to use an existing webfont with these characters that might be available to us? (Or if there is some other workable solution). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:58, 24 Octobris 2025 (UTC) == Vandalismus == Vidi nuper nonnihil vandalismi, qualis in [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Veni,_Veni_Emmanuel!&curid=12961&diff=244803&oldid=244791 hoc] et [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Old_Testament_(Vulgate)/Hieremias_propheta&action=history illo] apparuit. 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Appropriate for here? == What is going on here? * [[Scriptor:Coronus_Tenebrosius]] * [[Contemplationes_Metaphysicae]] * [[Puteus_Chaosi]] * [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius]] No statement of copyright. No proof of authorship. paginae vanitatis ? [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 08:24, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Cum iure auctoris problemata non habebimus, si auctor ipse opera exponit. Et si delere consilium capiemus, [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Saumache|magistratus non habemus]], qui hoc faciant. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:37, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :<blockquote>'''Salvete.''' '''Nomen meum est Krunoslav Mrkoci, et ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' est interpretatio nominis mei in linguam Latinam, id est identitas mea Latina.''' '''Confirmo me ipsum auctorem esse omnium operum hic editorum. Opera primum Croatice scripta sunt, hic autem in versione Latina proposita.''' '''Praeterea fere omnia opera mea iam antea Croatice edita sunt in forma typographica. Id praesertim ad carmina mea pertinet, quae primum anno 1998 in libello iuvenili edita sunt, deinde in variis commentariis typis impressis, inter quos eminenter numeratur periodicum litterarium, culturalis et scientificum ''Riječi'' (Latine: ''Verba''), quod bis delectum e carminibus meis protulit.''' '''Item magna pars commentationum aliarumque prosarum, quae hic in linguam Latinam conversa sunt, iam antea et typis et forma electronica in Croatia divulgata est.''' Quaeso ut attendatis ad paginam meam in Wikidata, ubi tam sub nomine Croatico ''Krunoslav Mrkoci'' quam sub nomine Latino ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' ut auctor operum meorum inscriptus sum. Gratias ago pro lectione. '''Coronus Tenebrosius'''.</blockquote> [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius|Coronus Tenebrosius]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Coronus Tenebrosius|disputatio]]) 12:23, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) == Copying some templates from the English Wikisource == Hello, Would someone please be able to help me get [[s:en:Template:ppoem|en:Template:ppoem]], [[s:en:blackletter|en:blackletter]], [[s:en:Template:he|en:Template:he]], and [[s:en:Template:grc|en:Template:grc]] available to use on this Wikisource, so I can utilize them here? For the blackletter, I've tried [[Formula:Gothica|Gothica]], but that doesn't seem to be rendering properly. Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 00:04, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] I made the shortcut for [[Formula:Graeca]]. You should not need any administror rights to do anything you need, I'll take a look into it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 09:46, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Blackletter is already here, [[:Formula:Gothica]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:57, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Hi! @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]], thanks! Just for clarification, do I need to make the template pages in Latin, or is it alright to copy them in English? Also, @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], I mentioned this above, but for some reason, the Gothica template isn't working for me. See [[Pagina:Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf/15]], for example. Any idea why that might be the case? [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 16:16, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] This wiki lacks proper guidelines and recommendations, I would prefer if you translated the template's name, e.g., [[Formula:spatium]] rather than [[Formula:spatio]] but given the international nature of the project (nobody's mother tongue is Latin) best practice should be to add translated names as shortcuts/redirects. Beware adding templates that are already on the wiki under a different name ([[Formula:grc]] was already at [[Formula:Graeca]]). I took a quick look and it seems the fonts used by the blackletter template are not installed on the wiki; the same template does not seem to work on the French Wikisource either. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 17:40, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::Maybe we have sufficient powers to add the fonts now? Or we can ask someone with additional permissions to do so. But yes I remember now this has been a long standing problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:54, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::[https://yaytext.com/fraktur/ This converter] 𝔠𝔬𝔫𝔳𝔢𝔯𝔱𝔰 𝔩𝔢𝔱𝔱𝔢𝔯𝔰 𝔱𝔬 𝔉𝔯𝔞𝔨𝔱𝔲𝔯 (because it exists in Unicode as separate characters). <s>However, I'm not sure if such text can be found using a regular search.</s> No, Wikipedia search finds it. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:48, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::I looked into using the converter, but I'm running into the issue of lack of compatibility with {{[[Formula:Ls|Ls]]}}. Would it be better to just wait for the font to be added? Do we have any idea when that will happen/who needs to be contacted for that to happen? ::::Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 19:34, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::::These Unicode characters don't feel right on my labtop, they have heigth issues among other things. I went and asked on two different wikis about the fonts, I will come back to you when I get some answers. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 19:41, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :[[Formula:Poema recte formatum]] or [[Formula:Ppoem]] now work, altho there's issues with the documentation page. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:52, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 21:20, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{tl|blackletter}} was not working for me, even after locally installing UnifrakturMaguntia from Google fonts, until I restarted my web browser, which also followed my rebooting. Also, it can't be just any gothic/blackletter font, but must be one of these Fraktur fonts: UnifrakturMaguntia UnifrakturCook Unifraktur. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 21:19, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{ping|Demetrius Talpa|JimKillock|Erblanchard57}} Fonts are downloaded locally, you need to go to Modi/Praeferentiae > Proprietates > Sermonis delectus > Plura > Scripturae and toggle "Download fonts when needed". The option seems not to be that easy to toggle on by default. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 10:56, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, great. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:09, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you very much! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 15:57, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::English WS seems to pull the font in from a repository. I've copied over the module ULS, css etc, would be good to know if it has made any difference. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::{{blackletter|fraktur}} etc [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I just deactivated the "download fonts when needed" option for a second to see if it would work without it, and it still doesn't. 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Every page now has the "Proofread" status, except that a few are also "Validated". I expect it will take quite a while before the whole book gets that second read, if it ever will. My question: is it already acceptable to transclude the text into the main namespace at this stage, even though most pages are only single-proofread rather than validated? Or is there a convention on this Wikisource that a work should be fully validated before merging onto the mainspace? Gratias vobis ago pro consiliis vestris. [[Usor:Sakvaka|Sakvaka]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Sakvaka|disputatio]]) 09:16, 25 Iulii 2026 (UTC) :Of course, this is acceptable; the texts there are of very different quality. Besides, transclusion slightly increases the chances that someone will find it for re-examination. 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Pittacium idcirco e pagina detraxi. --[[Usor:Grufo|Grufo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Grufo|disputatio]]) 20:50, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Nam eaedem quidem editiones sunt, quibusdam minusculis in maiusculas versis litteris formaque apostropharum solum differunt. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 21:08, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default == Hi @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] and others, I noticed that [[:Formula:Littera s longa]] has been changed so that <nowiki>{{s}}</nowiki> produces ſ rather than s by default. This is in contrast to for example English Wikipedia which allows it as a user option, but assumes it is "s" by default. For other formulae, eg {{um}}, {{us}}, {{que}}, etc these are "off" by default. Likewise {{ae}}, {{oe}} I believe are off by default currently. There various ways that this can work, for example: * we could provide a user switch for either state per symbol, etc (with JS, as per EN.WS) * we can provide advice about applying fonts, etc, that can set ſ, ae/oe ligatures, etc, through css preferences * CSS can specify some of this per book (not all ligatures, eg {{que}} can be applied through CSS, and it depends on installed fonts in some cases) * we ''might'' be able to apply a default javascript switch behaviour per book rather than sitewide I don't have a massive preference for s over ſ, or ae / oe over or æ / œ ; but we should I think at least allow users to easily switch, especially re ſ if it is the default. Just throwing it out there for discussion, to see what the general feeling / preference would be. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:40, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :I lacked the rights to have it be toggled on and off through a gadget, we should ask interface administrators to do it, that should be the best way about it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 22:45, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] Take a look to itwikisource gadget "memoRegex". It allows to save and share nsIntex-specific, customable sets of regex or plain substitutions, and it has been recently refined by @Candalua (a great job!). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 10:39, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Portal pages == Hi all, I'd like to suggest we create a few "Portal" pages for some key topics, so we can detail what is good and why rather than just provide category pages. There's a need for a page for introductory Latin, for example, which could explain levels of suitability of texts. See also [[#Navigation and validation]] above To do this, we need community consensus to add a namespace, and then, it is done through a request at Phabricator. The namespace would define what this group of pages were called eg [[Portus:Index]] and also the name of the "Disputatio" (discussion) pages. Please let me know if you agree with this proposal or not, so we can demonstrate consensus for the change to be made. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:50, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :cc @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]]@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:12, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::I consent to the proposal, though I am not sure about the translation 'Portus'. I think that 'Aditus' would better suit this usecase, since from portals users will be able to 'adire' the relevant pages. P.S. Out of curiosity I have checked the dictionary of A. Perugini, and he translates 'portale' as 'porta principalis. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:31, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Ok, sure (regardless, the Vicifons namespace could be used meanwhile to do some testing for the content). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 12:25, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::Ok (even if I'm a inactive admin... :-( ) [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 12:55, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::I totatlly agree! - [[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:OrbiliusMagister|disputatio]]) 13:28, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] By the way, it would be nice if you could [[Vicifons:Scriptorium#Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default|check this out]]! [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 20:53, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Wikiversity was originally intended for educational purposes. But a portal can be created here too. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:00, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I think it would be best to take inspiration from [[:w:la]], at least for the vocabulary. This would: :* provide a vocabulary and structure people may be well acquainted with already :* facilitate our work, not having to find the proper terms for ourselves :* have some sort of continuity between Latin projects :I had started doing this for documentation templates, as they where copied as is from [[:en:Wikisource]]. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 20:50, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::Sure, what do you mean in practice? Does W:la have a phrase for Portal? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 21:29, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::I must say I don't really understand what you precisely intend to put on these pages and why they could not be of the Vicifons namespace. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 00:35, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::It's probably done on En:ws so that search works across portals and mainspace pages but not advice pages; or that search in advice pages does not include results from mainspace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:37, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::Here are some ideas for core pages, following nomenclature used by [[:w:la]] and [[:en:Wikisource]] (names are not definite): :::::* [[Vicifons:De stilo]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Style guide]]) including: titles and their capitalization, use of Roman/Arabic numerals, use of classifiers before numbers (liber, carmen, etc.); regularization of spelling (in non-facsimile pages), anchors, etc. :::::* [[Vicifons:Qualitas paginarum]] :::::* [[Vicifons:De categoriis]] :::::* [[Vicifons:De fontibus]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Sources]]) about how and where, or how not and where not, to find good sources, the fact that most pages don't have sources or are copied from bad sources, e.g., The Latin Library, how to recify this, etc. :::::And help pages: :::::* [[Auxilium:De digitizationem textorum imaginumque ad usum Vicifontis]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Help:Digitising texts and images for Wikisource]]) :::::* etc. :::::I'd be happy to batch something for [[Vicifons:De stilo]], as I think it is really needed. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 13:01, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::I agree, a style guide is badly needed. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:20, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I have sketched something up in my [[Usor:Saumache/Pagina cerata|sandbox]], rules are based on common practices of this wiki and personal preferences, please add rules, comments, sections, etc. without removing anything for the moment: we may discuss any of it on a dedicated discussion page. If my process isn't right and you think or know we sould do this some other way, please tell me. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 16:06, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Quae hucusque scripsisti, mihi bona videntur. Just a minor thing: the slash at the end of the link should not be included: it should be <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I]]</nowiki></code> and not <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>. The rules 'de titulis paginarum' will be particularly useful for the classical works on Wikisource, since they are a mess in this regard. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:25, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::On Vicipaedia portals are simply combined [[:w:la:Categoria:Portae|into a category]]; it is not necessary to ask the Phabricator. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 08:19, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) 0vjxghkf6q0x1tcti10d27c623phylp 276950 276949 2026-08-22T16:38:48Z SZC 03 22335 /* Portal pages */ Reply 276950 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ <!--- __NOTOC__ --->[[Categoria:Vicifons|Scriptorium]] {{Intraincepti |w= Vicipaedia:Taberna |q= Vicicitatio:Taberna |commons: <!-- Communia --> |b= Vicilibri:Porta Communis |wikt= Victionarium:Taberna |m= <!-- Meta --> |wikispecies= <!-- Vicispecies --> |n= <!-- Vicinuntii --> }} <div class="toccolours" style="text-align:center; font-size:14pt; background:#eef; color:navy; "> Hac pagina scriptorium Vicifontis est.<br /> <small><small>Nunc iam sunt '''{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}''' paginae. 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In cooperation with the U4C -- <section end="announcement-content" /> </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 03:41, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)</div> <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s) == On EN wikisource, they have a template <nowiki>{{longs}}</nowiki> to produce ''ſ'' on the transcription page, and by default, ''s'' on the ebook page. users on EN WS can toggle these on and off. In this book, [[:la:Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']], there are a number of unusual characters that could do with toggling: ''ſ (s); ß (ss); ẽ (en / em) ũ (un / um) æ (ae) ę (ae) õ (on / om) ã (an / am) œ (oe)''. ([[:formula:ls]] already exists here for ſ, and some other characters semi-implemented at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] but the toggling is not switched on.) In order to implement this: (1) What would LA WiCategoria:Formulae litterarumkisource need to enable for user toggling of special characters? (2) Who would I contact (assuming this is an admin task)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:06, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :It looks like it would need this installing, as a start: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js|MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:13, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|OrbiliusMagister}} as the only active magister! --[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:16, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|SZC 03}} in case you have an opinion (you made changes at the De Pricipia transcription project which we could implement better with this toggle feature). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:31, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::I would like to point out that not all of the listed characters are of the same kind: ::* ſ is a variant of s; ::* ß, æ and œ are [[:w:en:Ligature (writing)|ligatures]] of ſs, ae and oe respectively ([[:w:en:E caudata|ę]] can represent both ae or oe); ::* ã, ẽ, õ, ũ are used to indicate [[:w:en:Scribal abbreviation|abbreviations]]. ::Personally I think it would be somewhat useful to implement the toggle feature only for æ and œ, since of all the ligatures they are the only ones that carry some meaning (that ae or oe in that word is a diphthong) and the only ones that easily show up in search results and correctly displayed in web-browsers. ::Note that both English and Italian wikisources in their transcription guidelines take in consideration the ability of both modern readers and search engines to correctly interpret the character shown (see [[:en:Wikisource:Style guide/Orthography]] and [[:it:Wikisource:Convenzioni di trascrizione]]). Though it would be useful to write rules specific to the Latin wikisource. ::I hope these considerations were of any help. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 07:58, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) ::In regards to the [[Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']] it would be appropriate to encode the text in a way that we do not lose your work of accurately transcribing the above characters, while still showing to the end user a normalized form. My edit was trying to achieve this with the templates currently in wikisource. ::From a technical standpoint, it would be useful to have a general template not specific to any character that could be used both in ''ad hoc'' situations, and in creating other templates. ::Also if such a template is created for abbreviations it should behave differently from the long s and ligatures, since 1) the text displayed is context dependent, and 2) it is common use in diplomatic transcriptions to show the abbreviated characters in parentheses (so I were taught in paleography class). ::To give an example of point 2 from the text ([[Pagina:Nicolaus_Machiavellus_De_Principe.pdf/69|page 45]], line 11): ::Original text: Iãq́ꝫ ::Diplomatic transcription: Ia(m)q(ue) ::Standard transcription: Iamque ::I’m sorry for the lengthy comments. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:02, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I agree something adhoc would be helpful. The template would need to specify :::* the text as-is and :::* the modernised version :::and hopefully there would be a system to pick up which to display. :::In terms of the display: this could be the js system, perhaps adapted, that we have on en.ws, or possibly it could be an adjustment to the page templates set up, to allow two different books, or sets of pages, to be presented. This would have the advantage that exports would facilitate both (IDK but suspect that exports support the default rather than user choice). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 15:48, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I have set out this information in a [[Usor:JimKillock/Orthography|table]] including information about dictionary lookups and likely search engine issues. In short, from a user perspective, all the characters can be problematic, but æ and œ work within Alpheios for dictionary lookups, so are a bit more tolerable than the others from a default perspective. However I think it is useful tobe able to see and use the originals for some people, eg those practicing reading Renaissance scans etc; or researchers or academics looking to use source texts. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:09, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|Alex brollo}}, {{ping|VIGNERON}}, {{ping|Candalua}} in case you can help. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:38, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] Interesting question. I'll take a look to the ensource template to understand how it works (I hope it is not based on javascript). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 06:18, 1 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I’m afraid it is based on javascript: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] :::To see the button you have to enable the [[:en:Help:Gadget-Visibility|Visibility gadget]]. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:12, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] checking in whether we can implement this, or find another solution. I am holding off further changes until I know how to proceed - but I am sure there should be a way to do this! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:40, 19 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::Noting this question comes up again at [[:Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] (I have [[Disputatio Libri:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|left a note there]]). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:08, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::OK, I have developed templates as this is holding up other people's work. I have based each template on the existing [[:formula:ls]], and avoid duplicating those that already exist using the same method at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]]. Meantime if anyone has further thoughts about using Visibility Gadget or going another way, I would be very grateful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:02, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] I have made a very basic template for flexible character switching at [[Formula:Scr]]; this returns the first entry on the book page, and the second in main space, eg <nowiki>{{scr|qꝫ|que}}</nowiki> would work the same as <nowiki>{{que}}</nowiki>. :::::However there is advice on ENWS not to use characters but use HTML entities for CSS reasons, so it is probably better for users to use specific templates. For example, I also created <nowiki>{{po}}</nowiki> which allows a user to decide what it might best represent, eg <nowiki>{{po|;}} or {{po|?}}</nowiki>. :::::In general, using set templates like <nowiki>{{que}}, {{em}}, {{um}}, {{etc}}</nowiki> is much easier for proofing, so I think I will continue to add these where it seems useful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:29, 24 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Hi folks, so that you know, I have made something of a workaround to be able to enable these features, which works well enough for me. I will perhaps add some guidance somewhere. What I have done: ::::::# Installed the font Garamontio, as it has the qꝫ character, and all the possible ligatures ::::::# Created custom css to apply Garamontio to Wikisource as a whole; at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.css]]; and ::::::# Created (vibecoded) custom javascript at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.js]] ::::::The second script looks for the various spans with the css style typographic-long-s, and replaces the characters as appropriate. This seems to work surprisingly well, Garamontio does all of the discretionary ligatures etc, and is a very well designed font (fork of EB Garamond, with some extra touches useful here). The issue is of course that this applies to the whole of Latin Wikisource all of the time. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:35, 25 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], reading this I wanted to tell you that you could apply styles to a index page, but I see you have already figured it out. Kudos on your progress. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 09:56, 9 Iulii 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Thanks @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]]; my list of scribal transformations has got quite long tho. And I need to check on the possible logic of it, some needs to hide and unhide, rather than search and replace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:27, 11 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == We will be enabling the new Charts extension on your wiki soon! == ''(Apologies for posting in English)'' Hi all! We have good news to share regarding the ongoing problem with graphs and charts affecting all wikis that use them. As you probably know, the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|old Graph extension]] was disabled in 2023 [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/EWL4AGBEZEDMNNFTM4FRD4MHOU3CVESO/|due to security reasons]]. We’ve worked in these two years to find a solution that could replace the old extension, and provide a safer and better solution to users who wanted to showcase graphs and charts in their articles. We therefore developed the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Charts extension]], which will be replacing the old Graph extension and potentially also the [[:mw:Extension:EasyTimeline|EasyTimeline extension]]. After successfully deploying the extension on Italian, Swedish, and Hebrew Wikipedia, as well as on MediaWiki.org, as part of a pilot phase, we are now happy to announce that we are moving forward with the next phase of deployment, which will also include your wiki. The deployment will happen in batches, and will start from '''May 6'''. Please, consult [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|our page on MediaWiki.org]] to discover when the new Charts extension will be deployed on your wiki. 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Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 15:07, 6 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sannita_(WMF)/Mass_sending_test&oldid=28663781 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Call for Candidates for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C)</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="announcement-content" /> The results of voting on the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Guidelines and Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) Charter is [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Annual review/2025#Results|available on Meta-wiki]]. You may now [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025/Candidates|submit your candidacy to serve on the U4C]] through 29 May 2025 at 12:00 UTC. 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If you have any questions, you can ask on [[m:Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025|the discussion page for the election]]. -- in cooperation with the U4C, </div><section end="announcement-content" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User_talk:Keegan (WMF)|disputatio]])</bdi> 22:08, 15 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> ''(Apologies for posting in English, if this is not your first language)'' Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation. You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:27, 22 Maii 2025 (UTC) </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sannita_(WMF)/Mass_sending_test&oldid=28768453 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection & Call for Questions</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="announcement-content" /> :''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Selection announcement|{{int:interlanguage-link-mul}}]] • [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-{{urlencode:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Selection announcement}}&language=&action=page&filter= {{int:please-translate}}]'' Dear all, This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats. The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4]. Here are the key planned dates: * May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6] * June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates * July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5] * August 2025: Campaign period * August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period * October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates * Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]]. '''Call for Questions''' In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]] '''Election Volunteers''' Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]] Thank you! [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results [2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter [3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024 [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates Best regards, Victoria Doronina Board Liaison to the Elections Committee Governance Committee<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 03:08, 28 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:RamzyM (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Administrator backlog? == Hi there, I am noticing a lot of pages that say that the current version is not checked; and versions I have amended are not (apparently) displayed because they need approval. Am I right in assuming this is due to a lack of (active) administrator time? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:53, 30 Maii 2025 (UTC) :Relatedly @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] / @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] / other admins, [[Colloquia familiaria]] has an old index page and other old sub pages which could do with changes being approved. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:58, 12 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::Ping on this, some of the sub pages are quite broken. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:42, 28 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :I have tried to fix the lack of text in ePub export for [[Noctes Atticae]]. :Unfortunately, it seems that all my submissions require approval (last approval seems to have taken place more than five years ago). :Is there any way to have <code>class="ws-export"</code> to the second <code>&lt;table&gt;</code> from [[Noctes Atticae]]? :Many thanks for your help, [[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 19:09, 15 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] Checking you know this is working now [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:21, 18 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Vote now in the 2025 U4C Election == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> Apologies for writing in English. {{Int:Please-translate}} Eligible voters are asked to participate in the 2025 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee]] election. 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Many of these works—some dating back decades or even centuries—offer fascinating insights into how memory has been understood, trained, and improved across different cultures and time periods. I've recently added a new section to the portal: "Multilingual Works on Mnemonic Techniques." This is in part because several of the English-language texts reference related works in other languages, particularly Latin. Unfortunately, many of these referenced works are written in Classical Latin, and my ability to work with them is quite limited—I’ve done what I can, but they remain largely inaccessible to me. If anyone has expertise in Classical Latin and might be willing to help with these texts, your assistance would be greatly appreciated. * ''[[:la:Foenix|Foenix]] by [[w:en:Peter of Ravenna|Peter of Ravenna]]'' (1491) * ''[[:la:Congestorium Artificiose Memorie|Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]'' by Johann Horst von Romberch (1533) [[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032259.jpg|150px]][[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032269.jpg|150px]] Here is a discussion form on it https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/johannes-romberchs-congestorium-artificiose-memorie/30174 Warm regards [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 23:15, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :Hi there, I could help proofing texts you have prepared perhaps? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:57, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :: Thanks for offering—I’d really appreciate your help with proofreading. :: We have two books. Which one would you like to start with? ::*[[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] ::*[[Liber:Congestorium artificiose memorie ... - V.P.F. Joa(n)nis Romberch de Kyrspe. Regularis obseruantie predicatorie- (IA hin-wel-all-00002875-001).pdf]] ::[[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 21:49, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I can do the pages you have put into the first, as a start for you. BTW the transcribed text does not always look like it originated from the source. It is very correct, but some has different orthography and missed certain parts. That is fine of course if we are correcting to the original. (PS: you might want to create a user account so that you can be notified of replies, hide your IP address, etc). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:57, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I had a go at the first page or two; some of the orthography was removed while other parts were kept. I kept all of it as a first go. See the discussion above about how we treat orthography, hopefully we can address this with templates. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:11, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::I'm using Google OCR and some AI tools to pull out text and sometimes translate it into English so I can understand it. If anyone could help me proofread or check it, I’d be super grateful! [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 00:50, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::I have added all the templates we need for the special characters / orthography, I will start doing the pages with those. The end result will be that on the main space ebook pages, the chars will toggle on and off, at least once that is properly implemented. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:25, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Noted, sounds good. I’ll try adding to the other pages next time. [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 22:10, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 - Call for Candidates</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="announcement-content" /> :''<div class="plainlinks">[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Call for candidates|{{int:interlanguage-link-mul}}]] • [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-{{urlencode:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Call for candidates}}&language=&action=page&filter= {{int:please-translate}}]</div> Hello all, The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025|call for candidates for the 2025 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees selection is now open]] from June 17, 2025 – July 2, 2025 at 11:59 UTC [1]. The Board of Trustees oversees the Wikimedia Foundation's work, and each Trustee serves a three-year term [2]. This is a volunteer position. 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[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:14, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Sister Projects Task Force reviews Wikispore and Wikinews</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Dear Wikimedia Community, The [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee|Community Affairs Committee (CAC)]] of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees assigned [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Sister Projects Task Force|the Sister Projects Task Force (SPTF)]] to update and implement a procedure for assessing the lifecycle of Sister Projects – wiki [[m:Wikimedia projects|projects supported by Wikimedia Foundation (WMF)]]. A vision of relevant, accessible, and impactful free knowledge has always guided the Wikimedia Movement. As the ecosystem of Wikimedia projects continues to evolve, it is crucial that we periodically review existing projects to ensure they still align with our goals and community capacity. Despite their noble intent, some projects may no longer effectively serve their original purpose. '''Reviewing such projects is not about giving up – it's about responsible stewardship of shared resources'''. Volunteer time, staff support, infrastructure, and community attention are finite, and the non-technical costs tend to grow significantly as our ecosystem has entered a different age of the internet than the one we were founded in. Supporting inactive projects or projects that didn't meet our ambitions can unintentionally divert these resources from areas with more potential impact. Moreover, maintaining projects that no longer reflect the quality and reliability of the Wikimedia name stands for, involves a reputational risk. An abandoned or less reliable project affects trust in the Wikimedia movement. Lastly, '''failing to sunset or reimagine projects that are no longer working can make it much harder to start new ones'''. When the community feels bound to every past decision – no matter how outdated – we risk stagnation. A healthy ecosystem must allow for evolution, adaptation, and, when necessary, letting go. If we create the expectation that every project must exist indefinitely, we limit our ability to experiment and innovate. Because of this, SPTF reviewed two requests concerning the lifecycle of the Sister Projects to work through and demonstrate the review process. We chose Wikispore as a case study for a possible new Sister Project opening and Wikinews as a case study for a review of an existing project. Preliminary findings were discussed with the CAC, and a community consultation on both proposals was recommended. === Wikispore === The [[m:Wikispore|application to consider Wikispore]] was submitted in 2019. SPTF decided to review this request in more depth because rather than being concentrated on a specific topic, as most of the proposals for the new Sister Projects are, Wikispore has the potential to nurture multiple start-up Sister Projects. After careful consideration, the SPTF has decided '''not to recommend''' Wikispore as a Wikimedia Sister Project. Considering the current activity level, the current arrangement allows '''better flexibility''' and experimentation while WMF provides core infrastructural support. We acknowledge the initiative's potential and seek community input on what would constitute a sufficient level of activity and engagement to reconsider its status in the future. As part of the process, we shared the decision with the Wikispore community and invited one of its leaders, Pharos, to an SPTF meeting. Currently, we especially invite feedback on measurable criteria indicating the project's readiness, such as contributor numbers, content volume, and sustained community support. This would clarify the criteria sufficient for opening a new Sister Project, including possible future Wikispore re-application. However, the numbers will always be a guide because any number can be gamed. === Wikinews === We chose to review Wikinews among existing Sister Projects because it is the one for which we have observed the highest level of concern in multiple ways. Since the SPTF was convened in 2023, its members have asked for the community's opinions during conferences and community calls about Sister Projects that did not fulfil their promise in the Wikimedia movement.[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WCNA_2024._Sister_Projects_-_opening%3F_closing%3F_merging%3F_splitting%3F.pdf <nowiki>[1]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Sister_Projects_Task_Force#Wikimania_2023_session_%22Sister_Projects:_past,_present_and_the_glorious_future%22 <nowiki>[2]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[3]</nowiki>] Wikinews was the leading candidate for an evaluation because people from multiple language communities proposed it. Additionally, by most measures, it is the least active Sister Project, with the greatest drop in activity over the years. While the Language Committee routinely opens and closes language versions of the Sister Projects in small languages, there has never been a valid proposal to close Wikipedia in major languages or any project in English. This is not true for Wikinews, where there was a proposal to close English Wikinews, which gained some traction but did not result in any action[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_English_Wikinews <nowiki>[4]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[5]</nowiki>, see section 5] as well as a draft proposal to close all languages of Wikinews[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_closing_projects/Archive_2#Close_Wikinews_completely,_all_languages? <nowiki>[6]</nowiki>]. [[:c:File:Sister Projects Taskforce Wikinews review 2024.pdf|Initial metrics]] compiled by WMF staff also support the community's concerns about Wikinews. Based on this report, SPTF recommends a community reevaluation of Wikinews. We conclude that its current structure and activity levels are the lowest among the existing sister projects. SPTF also recommends pausing the opening of new language editions while the consultation runs. SPTF brings this analysis to a discussion and welcomes discussions of alternative outcomes, including potential restructuring efforts or integration with other Wikimedia initiatives. '''Options''' mentioned so far (which might be applied to just low-activity languages or all languages) include but are not limited to: *Restructure how Wikinews works and is linked to other current events efforts on the projects, *Merge the content of Wikinews into the relevant language Wikipedias, possibly in a new namespace, *Merge content into compatibly licensed external projects, *Archive Wikinews projects. Your insights and perspectives are invaluable in shaping the future of these projects. We encourage all interested community members to share their thoughts on the relevant discussion pages or through other designated feedback channels. === Feedback and next steps === We'd be grateful if you want to take part in a conversation on the future of these projects and the review process. We are setting up two different project pages: [[m:Public consultation about Wikispore|Public consultation about Wikispore]] and [[m:Public consultation about Wikinews|Public consultation about Wikinews]]. Please participate between 27 June 2025 and 27 July 2025, after which we will summarize the discussion to move forward. You can write in your own language. I will also host a community conversation 16th July Wednesday 11.00 UTC and 17th July Thursday 17.00 UTC (call links to follow shortly) and will be around at Wikimania for more discussions. <section end="message"/> </div> -- [[User:Victoria|Victoria]] on behalf of the Sister Project Task Force, 20:57, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Johan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Johan_(WMF)/Sister_project_MassMassage_on_behalf_of_Victoria/Target_list&oldid=28911188 --> == Latin incunabula and other early books == Expanding a bit on what I mentioned above, re character toggling, and also working on the books [[Foenix]] and [[Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae]] * the Transkribus Latin Incunabula scan does a great job on the heavy gothic style print * I will see how it does with more Garamond-style texts, in case it works with these * I have developed a fairly full set of templates for scribal characters, see [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] * I am thinking about using a bot to wholesale search and replace long s, and other scribal characters mapped there Between these things, the work to transcribe and correct early printed Latin books should be very much reduced. If anyone feels like helping test this out, do give me shout. Meantime I will run tests on Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae to check how well the bot system works. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:50, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :The folks at Wikisource helped create a JS solution for this, see [[Usor:JimKillock/incunabula.js]]. The script does a search and replace for what is needed, on the '''first save of a new book page'''; these are the settings for the Incunabula style section of [[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|this scan, p 52 onwards]] for [[Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]. It seems to work very well and is extremely labour saving! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 22:59, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == Navigation and validation == Hi there, I would like to do some work on navigation, to provide some "portal" pages similar to EN Wikisource. For example, this would help with learner texts a lot 9I often get asked how to find these texts, I point to the category pages, but these are very basic. I would also like to know what we should do about page validation. Some really necessary changes are currently languishing in the backlog. This is an admin only task: should we asking for more administrators, or is this something existing admins here can take on? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 14:08, 13 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :Hi {{U|JimKillock}} good idea, don't hesitate to start and/or ask for help. That said, I'm not sure to see why this is an admin task (even if, yes, the underlying point is true, we need more admins). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:31, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think the Portal namespace and some modules need setting up which require admin permissions, I will dig a bit further and come back to you. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Wikidata Item and Property labels soon displayed in Wiki Watchlist/Recent Changes == ''(Apologies for posting in English, you can help by translating into your language)'' Hello everyone, the [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects]] team is excited to announce an upcoming change in how Wikidata edit changelogs are displayed in your [[Special:Watchlist|Watchlists]] and [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]] lists. If an edit is made on Wikidata that affects a page in another Wikimedia Project, the changelog will contain some information about the nature of the edit. This can include a QID (or Q-number), a PID (or P-number) and a value (which can be text, numbers, dates, or also QID or PID’s). Confused by these terms? See the [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Glossary|Wikidata:Glossary]] for further explanations. The upcoming change is scheduled for '''17.07.2025''', between '''1300 - 1500 UTC'''. The change will display the label (item name) alongside any QID or PIDs, as seen in the image below: [[File:Apr10 edit summary on Wikidata.png|An edit sum entry on Wikidata, labels display alongside their P- and Q-no.'s]] These changes will only be visible if you have Wikidata edits enabled in your User Preferences for Watchlists and Recent Changes, or have the active filter ‘Wikidata edits’ checkbox toggled on, directly on the Watchlist and Recent Changes pages. Your bot and gadget may be affected! There are thousands of bots, gadgets and user-scripts and whilst we have researched potential effects to many of them, we cannot guarantee there won’t be some that are broken or affected by this change. Further information and context about this change, including how your bot may be affected can be found on this [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|project task page]]. We welcome your questions and feedback, please write to us on this dedicated [[m:Talk:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Talk page]]. Thank you, - [[m:User:Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)|Danny Benjafield (WMDE)]] on behalf of the Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects Team. [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 12:46, 14 Iulii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Danny Benjafield (WMDE)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)/MassMessage_Test_List&oldid=28981877 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr"> Upcoming Deployment of the CampaignEvents Extension</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Hello everyone, ''(Apologies for posting in English if English is not your first language. Please help translate to your language.)'' The Campaigns Product Team is planning a global deployment of the '''[[:mw:Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]]''' to all Wikisource, including this Wikisource, during the '''week of August 25th'''. This extension is designed to help organizers plan and manage events, WikiProjects, and other on-wiki collaborations - and to make these efforts more discoverable. The three main features of this extension are: * '''[[:m:Event_Center/Registration|Event Registration]]''': A simple way to sign up for events on the wiki. * '''[[:m:CampaignEvents/Collaboration_list|Collaboration List]]''': A global list of events and a local list of WikiProjects, accessible at '''[[:m:Special:AllEvents|Special:AllEvents]]'''. * '''[[:m:Campaigns/Foundation_Product_Team/Invitation_list|Invitation Lists]]''': A tool to help organizers find editors who might want to join, based on their past contributions. '''Note''': The extension comes with a new user right called '''"Event Organizer"''', which will be managed by administrators on this Wikisource. Organizer tools like Event Registration and Invitation Lists will only work if someone is granted this right. The Collaboration List is available to everyone immediately after deployment. The extension is already live on several wikis, including '''all Wikipedia, Meta, Wikidata''', and more ( [[m:CampaignEvents/Deployment_status#Current_Deployment_Status_for_CampaignEvents_extension| See the full deployment list]]) If you have any questions, concerns, or feedback, please feel free to share them on the [[m:Talk:CampaignEvents| extension talkpage]]. We’d love to hear from you before the rollout. Thank you! <section end="message"/> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:Udehb-WMF|Udehb-WMF]] ([[User talk:Udehb-WMF|disputatio]]) 15:40, 31 Iulii 2025 (UTC)</bdi> <!-- Message sent by User:Udehb-WMF@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Udehb-WMF/sandbox/MM_target_Wikisource&oldid=29066664 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Temporary accounts will be rolled out soon</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="body"/> Hello, we are the Wikimedia Foundation [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity|Product Safety and Integrity]] team. We would like to announce that '''we plan to enable [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] for this wiki in the week of September 1'''. Temporary accounts are successfully live on 30 wikis, including many large ones like German, Japanese, and French. The change they bring is especially relevant to logged-out editors, who this feature is designed to protect. But it is also relevant to community members like mentors, patrollers, and admins – anyone who reverts edits, blocks users, or otherwise interacts with logged-out editors as part of keeping the wikis safe and accurate. '''Why we are building temporary accounts''' Our wikis should be safer to edit by default for logged-out editors. Temporary accounts allow people to continue editing the wikis without creating an account, while avoiding publicly tying their edits to their IP address. We believe this is in the best interest of our logged-out editors, who make valuable contributions to the wikis and who may later create accounts and grow our community of editors, admins, and other roles. Even though the wikis do warn logged-out editors that their IP address will be associated with their edit, many people may not understand what an IP address is, or that it could be used to connect them to other information about them in ways they might not expect. Additionally, our moderation software and tools rely too heavily on network origin (IP addresses) to identify users and patterns of activity, especially as IP addresses themselves are becoming less stable as identifiers. Temporary accounts allow for more precise interactions with logged-out editors, including more precise blocks, and can help limit how often we unintentionally end up blocking good-faith users who use the same IP addresses as bad-faith users. '''How temporary accounts work''' [[File:Temporary account banner and empty talk page.png|thumb]] Any time a logged-out user publishes an edit on this wiki, a cookie will be set in this user's browser, and a temporary account tied with this cookie will be automatically created. This account's name will follow the pattern: <code dir=ltr>~2025-12345-67</code> (a tilde, current year, a number). On pages like Recent Changes or page history, this name will be displayed. The cookie will expire 90 days after its creation. As long as it exists, all edits made from this device will be attributed to this temporary account. It will be the same account even if the IP address changes, unless the user clears their cookies or uses a different device or web browser. A record of the IP address used at the time of each edit will be stored for 90 days after the edit. However, only some logged-in users will be able to see it. '''What does this mean for different groups of users?''' '''For logged-out editors''' * This increases privacy: currently, if you do not use a registered account to edit, then everybody can see the IP address for the edits you made, even after 90 days. That will no longer be possible on this wiki. * If you use a temporary account to edit from different locations in the last 90 days (for example at home and at a coffee shop), the edit history and the IP addresses for all those locations will now be recorded together, for the same temporary account. Users who [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Access_to_temporary_account_IP_addresses|meet the relevant requirements]] will be able to view this data. If this creates any personal security concerns for you, please contact talktohumanrights at wikimedia.org for advice. '''For community members interacting with logged-out editors''' * A temporary account is uniquely linked to a device. In comparison, an IP address can be shared with different devices and people (for example, different people at school or at work might have the same IP address). * Compared to the current situation, it will be safer to assume that a temporary user's talk page belongs to only one person, and messages left there will be read by them. As you can see in the screenshot, temporary account users will receive notifications. It will also be possible to thank them for their edits, ping them in discussions, and invite them to get more involved in the community. '''For users who use IP address data to moderate and maintain the wiki''' * '''For patrollers''' who track persistent abusers, investigate violations of policies, etc.: Users who [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Access_to_temporary_account_IP_addresses|meet the requirements]] will be able to reveal temporary users' IP addresses and all contributions made by temporary accounts from a specific IP address or range ([[Special:IPContributions]]). They will also have access to useful information about the IP addresses thanks to the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/IP Info|IP Info]] feature. Many other pieces of software have been built or adjusted to work with temporary accounts, including AbuseFilter, global blocks, Global User Contributions, and more. (For information for volunteer developers on how to update the code of your tools – see the last part of the message.) * '''For admins blocking logged-out editors''': ** It will be possible to block many abusers by just blocking their temporary accounts. A blocked person won't be able to create new temporary accounts quickly if the admin selects the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Autoblock|autoblock]] option. ** It will still be possible to block an IP address or IP range. * Temporary accounts will not be retroactively applied to contributions made before the deployment. On Special:Contributions, you will be able to see existing IP user contributions, but not new contributions made by temporary accounts on that IP address. Instead, you should use Special:IPContributions for this. 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Thank you!<section end="body" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:user:NKohli (WMF)|NKohli (WMF)]], [[m:user:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]]</bdi> 21:36, 26 Augusti 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Quiddity_(WMF)/sandbox6&oldid=29181713 --> == All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae == I was looking for templates/formulae by looking at <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> All pages in [[Liber:Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Many (all?) pages in [[Liber:Gallia Christiana, 1715, T1.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki>, like article [[Gallia Christiana 1715 01/Epistola2]] These all use [[Formula:Sidenotes begin]]. There is one "[https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&oldid=79709&diff=cur pending change]" on this template. But that change puts the category outside the noinclude. ::<nowiki></noinclude></nowiki> ::<nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Please either reject the change or move the categoria line. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 04:17, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], I don't think anyone from the admins is monitoring or actioning pending changes currently. (see discussions re admin queues above.) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 05:29, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Shenme}} {{done}} I excluded the categories. {{ping|JimKillock}} no blame but be careful next time, categories should always be excluded. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:28, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|VIGNERON}} It wasn't @JimKillock who made [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&diff=next&oldid=79709 the problematic change], but someone else [[Usor:Ceciliawolf]]. I noticed the problem, he included the problem a list that got your attention. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 02:46, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Shenme}} yes, but [[Special:Diff/236794]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 06:57, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Request for admin status == Hi all, given that we have quite a lot of admin requests (mostly relating to "pending" changes), I would like to request administrator status so that some of these can be cleared. If anyone else wants to step up to help out, that would also be welcome. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:23, 1 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Ping to @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], @[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]]:, @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]]:, @[[Usor:Candalua|Candalua]]: in case you feel able to support my request. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:57, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Hi {{U|JimKillock}}, ::I apparently missed it, where do we have « a lot of admin requests » ? ::That said, one more admin is always good, so create the request and I'll support it. ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:34, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::Hi @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]], :::Thank you! On the admin requests, on this page, here are these :::* [[#All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae]] :::* [[#It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace]] (which you have replied to) :::* [[#Navigation and validation]] :::* [[#Administrator backlog?]] :::* [[#Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s)]] (altho this has been worked around and may not be needed) :::Most of these relate to the ''Pending changes'' backlog in various ways; two are requests for new features / modules to be ported across. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks, I see. It doesn't look like a lot to me, I'll try to deal with it today. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:27, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thank you @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] :) You could also take a look at the pending changes on [[Formula:Pagina_prima/Novae_Aetatis]] and [[Moriae encomium]]. The really big job is going through [[Specialis:PendingChanges|pending changes]] altogether - I understand there is a five year backlog. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:36, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::I see... I had a quick look and all changes seem good. Do we even need this extension on Wikisource? Also, if we keep it, I guess we need more reviewers rather than admins (more admins would be useful too, but that's a separate point). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 10:35, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Of course, the request needs to be supported; without active administrators it is very inconvenient. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:21, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::What do you need us to do? BTW, it would be great to know why edits require administrator approvals. Sorry, but I‘m afraid this makes contributing almost pointless. Many thanks for your help, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 14:15, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::So there are two reasons it would be helpful for me to be an admin; one is if we carry on with the approval system (it looks like we will not) and the other is around updating or adding certain components, modules for example. There may be other tasks I am not aware of that I could help with, but these are the ones I know about. Implementing Portal pages for example needs some work by an admin AIUI. :::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] your question re edits needing approval is [[#Do_we_need_to_approve_changes_to_pages|addressed below, here]]. :::In terms of what you / others need to do, it seems that if there is a consensus to allow me administrator permissions, then a bueaucrat user would implement it (I mistakenly opening a request at meta, and they referred me back here); so we just need to have your views, yes, no, maybe, etc. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:01, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::The page [[Vicifons:Magistratus]], intended for promotion, seems to be protected; I couldn't edit it (''petitio grapheocrat'''ae''''') and add a category ([[:Categoria:Usores]]). [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:23, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thanks, it seems editable now so I [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Petitio_magistratus|added my request there]], if anyone wants to support it. Regarding ''grapheocrates -ae'', how is this declined? Is it otherwise treated as a masculine first declension? Thinking it ought to be added to Wiktionary as it is missing from there. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:00, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::This is [https://archive.org/details/calepinusnovus2002/calepinusnovus2002-french-latin/page/n23/mode/1up?q=grapheocrates from Licoppe and Eichenseer]. Yes, this can be added to Wiktionary, I have no experience editing there. Thanks for the corrections, today the system let me in, but yesterday for some unknown reason it didn’t let me in. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:53, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::Thank you and no problem. I can add to Wiktionary I hope; is the plural therefore ''grapheocratae''; and is the singular ''grapheocrates'' or ''grapheocrata''? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:14, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Yes, of course. They took the Modern Greek word γραφειοκράτης. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:41, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::::Great, after a bit of struggle that is at [[:en:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] and [[:la:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:43, 7 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace == It would require someone with interface admin status to create [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index data config.json]] to replace the current index form parameters ([[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index attributes|very old system]]) with special care to not mass delete information by unadvertedly changing some parameter's name. [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config.json Example from the English Wikisource]. If someone wants to help, please contact me. Regards! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 02:10, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]], potentially - if I have admin status :) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:54, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Ignacio Rodríguez}} I did a test (by copy-pasting the English page), it works, so no need to be interface admin, being admin is enough. ::I only half understand that paramater page, could you give me the actual content expected ? ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:38, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::I don't remember all the details but I worked on that page in the Spanish Wikisource almost a decade ago. I'll make a mockup in the talk page, but I can't promise to get all the Latin words right. For ease, parameter names and help tooltips will be in English internally, but they will show in Latin in the form. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::This was added and it now works perfectly. Thanks! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:25, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Do we need to approve changes to pages == Hi all, Moving the discussion regarding the backlog at [[Specialis:PendingChanges]]: @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] asks whether we need to have this feature. I suspect it was switched on because of spam, vandalism, or some other similar issue. Without it we might need to be keeping an eye on recent changes. I am not sure how the proteccted changes permissions works, or whether permissions to make approvals to changes can be delegated more widely. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Changes to pages affecting project *function* must be controlled. But it seems that Pending Changes doesn't actually stop changes to something like a template/formula from having effect? See my report about <nowiki>Formula:Sidenotes begin</nowiki> above. :And checking a couple of the other initial items in [[Specialis:PendingChanges]], it seems that all pending changes are actually immediately applied to active, visible pages. :So Pending Changes <u>does not prevent damage</u> to the project. It is <u>merely a tracking and notification method?</u> :That can be useful, but requires a set of people to be change reviewers. And changes to subject matter would seem to require reviewers knowledgeable about the subject? :And when changes affect *function*, like templates, who can review and approve those? I'd think only admins. :The link to monitoring Recent Changes is undeniable. I monitor Recent Changes often at Spanish Wikisource because I've seen the random damage people can do. That is the only way to react quickly to damage. (?) But then that assumes people are checking lists frequently, at least daily. :Neither Pending Changes or monitoring Recent Changes prevent damage. They can be only part of a solution to damage. I don't know what to think about Pending Changes ''in isolation''. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 03:48, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} I've got mainly two points : ::* vandlism is low to inexistant on la.ws (and it's already low on most Wikisources), making this extension useless and even problematic. Because it doesn't prevent changes but it prevents them to be effective. ::** Apparently the reason to install is [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_VII#protection_of_completed_works_-_Flagged_Revisions_as_an_alternative?]] ::* this extension is actually caleld [[mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs]] and it's deprecated for years (see [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_XI#Futrue_of_FlaggedRevs_(Pending_Changes)_extension]] or the warning on the extension itself « Flagged Revisions is complex, poorly documented, very clunky, and not recommended for production use »). Also, people on Wikisource don't seem to really master or even using it (including the reviewers rights). Maybe it's aan opportunity to list exactly what we need and find a new extension that fit these needs. ::In the end, I see a lot of cons and only a few pros... ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:35, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :I haven't seen any vandalism here in years. But if you fix the errors, the "Pending Changes" status means that the fixes will only be visible to registered users. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:10, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} many thanks for your replies. I must admit that I’m an occasional Wikisource (or even Wikipedia contributor). I essentially (or exclusively) contribute corrections. :Some days ago, I wanted to download an ePub file for the [[Noctes Atticae]] (to do some regexp searches), but the export was wrong. I tried to modify the code (which I have done successfully for the Greek Wikisource many times) and I found out that I needed a ''nihil obstat'' (I’m afraid this would be way to name it). :Of course, I’m the least interested in vandalism (either contributing it myself, or being any collaborative project being infested/polluted by it). But I think there should be a way of distinguishing between vandalism and non-hardcore (or occasional) contributors. :I don’t know any perfect system, but it should be worth considering a mixed approach. Approval could be required for: already flagged users (for vandalism) and recent users (how about a five-year publishing embargo?). :Only to mention a case, my [https://el.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Συμπόσιον_(Πλάτων)&diff=prev&oldid=49677 first contribution to the Greek Wiksource] was in 2012. I don’t know for how long I have been registered in Wikimedia (I guess this was before 2010). :This isn’t about myself, the issue here is that Wikisource needs contributions to even exist (not to mention for its growth). If no regular user is allowed to contribute without approval, cooperation is basically non-existing. :Even with approval, the reply times are incredibly slow (because of the system). It is not that attention spans are getting shorter, time is the most scarce resource we all are (and I don’t have weeks or months to see whether I’m allowed to have [[Noctes Atticae]] as ePub). :Sorry, the sentence in parentheses isn’t a complaint. Please, do as you please, but my contribution is: consider that you might be making contributions way harder, project growth way slower and administrators’ roles way more complicated (probably, than they could and should be). :Many thanks for your help and your project, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 17:15, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think there is consensus we can switch this off. Let me know if I can help in any way if you think it's time to switch it off. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:25, 4 Octobris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks for the reminder and agreed for removal, so I created a task on Phabricator here : [[Phab:T406424]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:42, 5 Octobris 2025 (UTC) ::::Thanks for filing this @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] , the Wikimedia tech team seem to have finished their work on this now! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:16, 18 Octobris 2025 (UTC) == Index page error "Error: Invalid interval" == I am getting an error: at [[:Liber:Nos in schola latine loquimur - Ars latine loquendi.pdf]] "Error: Invalid interval" for the paginae listing; even when set to <code><nowiki><pagelist 1=1 /></nowiki></code>. Any clues appreciated! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:48, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :This might be the infamous "0x0 bug" that has plagued Wikisource for two? three? years. Normally it resolves doing a purge in both the file page in Commons and in the local Wikisource. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 19:34, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Thanks, that seems to b working now. 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We think it may be necessary to use a special / embedded font to do this, as I think was meant for <nowiki>{{blackletter}}</nowiki> ({{blackletter|exempli gratia}}; see [[Formula:Blackletter/styles.css]], although this does not seem to be calling a font at the moment). Does anyone have any advice about how we would add a webfont to LAWS's CSS, particularly for ℣ and ℟ ; or if there is a way to use an existing webfont with these characters that might be available to us? (Or if there is some other workable solution). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:58, 24 Octobris 2025 (UTC) == Vandalismus == Vidi nuper nonnihil vandalismi, qualis in [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Veni,_Veni_Emmanuel!&curid=12961&diff=244803&oldid=244791 hoc] et [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Old_Testament_(Vulgate)/Hieremias_propheta&action=history illo] apparuit. 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Appropriate for here? == What is going on here? * [[Scriptor:Coronus_Tenebrosius]] * [[Contemplationes_Metaphysicae]] * [[Puteus_Chaosi]] * [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius]] No statement of copyright. No proof of authorship. paginae vanitatis ? [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 08:24, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Cum iure auctoris problemata non habebimus, si auctor ipse opera exponit. Et si delere consilium capiemus, [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Saumache|magistratus non habemus]], qui hoc faciant. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:37, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :<blockquote>'''Salvete.''' '''Nomen meum est Krunoslav Mrkoci, et ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' est interpretatio nominis mei in linguam Latinam, id est identitas mea Latina.''' '''Confirmo me ipsum auctorem esse omnium operum hic editorum. Opera primum Croatice scripta sunt, hic autem in versione Latina proposita.''' 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'''Coronus Tenebrosius'''.</blockquote> [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius|Coronus Tenebrosius]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Coronus Tenebrosius|disputatio]]) 12:23, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) == Copying some templates from the English Wikisource == Hello, Would someone please be able to help me get [[s:en:Template:ppoem|en:Template:ppoem]], [[s:en:blackletter|en:blackletter]], [[s:en:Template:he|en:Template:he]], and [[s:en:Template:grc|en:Template:grc]] available to use on this Wikisource, so I can utilize them here? For the blackletter, I've tried [[Formula:Gothica|Gothica]], but that doesn't seem to be rendering properly. Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 00:04, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] I made the shortcut for [[Formula:Graeca]]. You should not need any administror rights to do anything you need, I'll take a look into it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 09:46, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Blackletter is already here, [[:Formula:Gothica]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:57, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Hi! @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]], thanks! Just for clarification, do I need to make the template pages in Latin, or is it alright to copy them in English? Also, @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], I mentioned this above, but for some reason, the Gothica template isn't working for me. See [[Pagina:Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf/15]], for example. Any idea why that might be the case? [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 16:16, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] This wiki lacks proper guidelines and recommendations, I would prefer if you translated the template's name, e.g., [[Formula:spatium]] rather than [[Formula:spatio]] but given the international nature of the project (nobody's mother tongue is Latin) best practice should be to add translated names as shortcuts/redirects. Beware adding templates that are already on the wiki under a different name ([[Formula:grc]] was already at [[Formula:Graeca]]). I took a quick look and it seems the fonts used by the blackletter template are not installed on the wiki; the same template does not seem to work on the French Wikisource either. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 17:40, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::Maybe we have sufficient powers to add the fonts now? Or we can ask someone with additional permissions to do so. But yes I remember now this has been a long standing problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:54, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::[https://yaytext.com/fraktur/ This converter] 𝔠𝔬𝔫𝔳𝔢𝔯𝔱𝔰 𝔩𝔢𝔱𝔱𝔢𝔯𝔰 𝔱𝔬 𝔉𝔯𝔞𝔨𝔱𝔲𝔯 (because it exists in Unicode as separate characters). <s>However, I'm not sure if such text can be found using a regular search.</s> No, Wikipedia search finds it. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:48, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::I looked into using the converter, but I'm running into the issue of lack of compatibility with {{[[Formula:Ls|Ls]]}}. Would it be better to just wait for the font to be added? Do we have any idea when that will happen/who needs to be contacted for that to happen? ::::Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 19:34, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::::These Unicode characters don't feel right on my labtop, they have heigth issues among other things. I went and asked on two different wikis about the fonts, I will come back to you when I get some answers. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 19:41, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :[[Formula:Poema recte formatum]] or [[Formula:Ppoem]] now work, altho there's issues with the documentation page. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:52, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 21:20, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{tl|blackletter}} was not working for me, even after locally installing UnifrakturMaguntia from Google fonts, until I restarted my web browser, which also followed my rebooting. Also, it can't be just any gothic/blackletter font, but must be one of these Fraktur fonts: UnifrakturMaguntia UnifrakturCook Unifraktur. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 21:19, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{ping|Demetrius Talpa|JimKillock|Erblanchard57}} Fonts are downloaded locally, you need to go to Modi/Praeferentiae > Proprietates > Sermonis delectus > Plura > Scripturae and toggle "Download fonts when needed". The option seems not to be that easy to toggle on by default. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 10:56, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, great. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:09, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you very much! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 15:57, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::English WS seems to pull the font in from a repository. I've copied over the module ULS, css etc, would be good to know if it has made any difference. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::{{blackletter|fraktur}} etc [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I just deactivated the "download fonts when needed" option for a second to see if it would work without it, and it still doesn't. 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Every page now has the "Proofread" status, except that a few are also "Validated". I expect it will take quite a while before the whole book gets that second read, if it ever will. My question: is it already acceptable to transclude the text into the main namespace at this stage, even though most pages are only single-proofread rather than validated? Or is there a convention on this Wikisource that a work should be fully validated before merging onto the mainspace? Gratias vobis ago pro consiliis vestris. [[Usor:Sakvaka|Sakvaka]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Sakvaka|disputatio]]) 09:16, 25 Iulii 2026 (UTC) :Of course, this is acceptable; the texts there are of very different quality. Besides, transclusion slightly increases the chances that someone will find it for re-examination. 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Pittacium idcirco e pagina detraxi. --[[Usor:Grufo|Grufo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Grufo|disputatio]]) 20:50, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Nam eaedem quidem editiones sunt, quibusdam minusculis in maiusculas versis litteris formaque apostropharum solum differunt. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 21:08, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default == Hi @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] and others, I noticed that [[:Formula:Littera s longa]] has been changed so that <nowiki>{{s}}</nowiki> produces ſ rather than s by default. This is in contrast to for example English Wikipedia which allows it as a user option, but assumes it is "s" by default. For other formulae, eg {{um}}, {{us}}, {{que}}, etc these are "off" by default. Likewise {{ae}}, {{oe}} I believe are off by default currently. There various ways that this can work, for example: * we could provide a user switch for either state per symbol, etc (with JS, as per EN.WS) * we can provide advice about applying fonts, etc, that can set ſ, ae/oe ligatures, etc, through css preferences * CSS can specify some of this per book (not all ligatures, eg {{que}} can be applied through CSS, and it depends on installed fonts in some cases) * we ''might'' be able to apply a default javascript switch behaviour per book rather than sitewide I don't have a massive preference for s over ſ, or ae / oe over or æ / œ ; but we should I think at least allow users to easily switch, especially re ſ if it is the default. Just throwing it out there for discussion, to see what the general feeling / preference would be. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:40, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :I lacked the rights to have it be toggled on and off through a gadget, we should ask interface administrators to do it, that should be the best way about it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 22:45, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] Take a look to itwikisource gadget "memoRegex". It allows to save and share nsIntex-specific, customable sets of regex or plain substitutions, and it has been recently refined by @Candalua (a great job!). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 10:39, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Portal pages == Hi all, I'd like to suggest we create a few "Portal" pages for some key topics, so we can detail what is good and why rather than just provide category pages. There's a need for a page for introductory Latin, for example, which could explain levels of suitability of texts. See also [[#Navigation and validation]] above To do this, we need community consensus to add a namespace, and then, it is done through a request at Phabricator. The namespace would define what this group of pages were called eg [[Portus:Index]] and also the name of the "Disputatio" (discussion) pages. Please let me know if you agree with this proposal or not, so we can demonstrate consensus for the change to be made. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:50, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :cc @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]]@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:12, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::I consent to the proposal, though I am not sure about the translation 'Portus'. I think that 'Aditus' would better suit this usecase, since from portals users will be able to 'adire' the relevant pages. P.S. Out of curiosity I have checked the dictionary of A. Perugini, and he translates 'portale' as 'porta principalis. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:31, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Ok, sure (regardless, the Vicifons namespace could be used meanwhile to do some testing for the content). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 12:25, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::Ok (even if I'm a inactive admin... :-( ) [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 12:55, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::I totatlly agree! - [[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:OrbiliusMagister|disputatio]]) 13:28, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] By the way, it would be nice if you could [[Vicifons:Scriptorium#Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default|check this out]]! [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 20:53, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Wikiversity was originally intended for educational purposes. But a portal can be created here too. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:00, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I think it would be best to take inspiration from [[:w:la]], at least for the vocabulary. This would: :* provide a vocabulary and structure people may be well acquainted with already :* facilitate our work, not having to find the proper terms for ourselves :* have some sort of continuity between Latin projects :I had started doing this for documentation templates, as they where copied as is from [[:en:Wikisource]]. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 20:50, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::Sure, what do you mean in practice? Does W:la have a phrase for Portal? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 21:29, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::I must say I don't really understand what you precisely intend to put on these pages and why they could not be of the Vicifons namespace. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 00:35, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::It's probably done on En:ws so that search works across portals and mainspace pages but not advice pages; or that search in advice pages does not include results from mainspace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:37, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::Here are some ideas for core pages, following nomenclature used by [[:w:la]] and [[:en:Wikisource]] (names are not definite): :::::* [[Vicifons:De stilo]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Style guide]]) including: titles and their capitalization, use of Roman/Arabic numerals, use of classifiers before numbers (liber, carmen, etc.); regularization of spelling (in non-facsimile pages), anchors, etc. :::::* [[Vicifons:Qualitas paginarum]] :::::* [[Vicifons:De categoriis]] :::::* [[Vicifons:De fontibus]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Sources]]) about how and where, or how not and where not, to find good sources, the fact that most pages don't have sources or are copied from bad sources, e.g., The Latin Library, how to recify this, etc. :::::And help pages: :::::* [[Auxilium:De digitizationem textorum imaginumque ad usum Vicifontis]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Help:Digitising texts and images for Wikisource]]) :::::* etc. :::::I'd be happy to batch something for [[Vicifons:De stilo]], as I think it is really needed. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 13:01, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::I agree, a style guide is badly needed. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:20, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I have sketched something up in my [[Usor:Saumache/Pagina cerata|sandbox]], rules are based on common practices of this wiki and personal preferences, please add rules, comments, sections, etc. without removing anything for the moment: we may discuss any of it on a dedicated discussion page. If my process isn't right and you think or know we sould do this some other way, please tell me. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 16:06, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Quae hucusque scripsisti, mihi bona videntur. Just a minor thing: the slash at the end of the link should not be included: it should be <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I]]</nowiki></code> and not <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>. The rules 'de titulis paginarum' will be particularly useful for the classical works on Wikisource, since they are a mess in this regard. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:25, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::On Vicipaedia portals are simply combined [[:w:la:Categoria:Portae|into a category]]; it is not necessary to ask the Phabricator. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 08:19, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::<small>The link you have sent is actually a category of pages about city gates (lat. ''portae''). Though,</small> It is true that we can still write portal pages without a dedicated namespace, and just group them with templates and categories. For example on German wikisource there is no author namespace, they just have an [[:de:Kategorie:Autoren|'author' category]]. It is an idea that is worth considering. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:38, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) 6tdovog9reopqv75zik192huy4jynqa 276951 276950 2026-08-22T16:57:12Z Demetrius Talpa 13304 /* Portal pages */ Reply 276951 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ <!--- __NOTOC__ --->[[Categoria:Vicifons|Scriptorium]] {{Intraincepti |w= Vicipaedia:Taberna |q= Vicicitatio:Taberna |commons: <!-- Communia --> |b= Vicilibri:Porta Communis |wikt= Victionarium:Taberna |m= <!-- Meta --> |wikispecies= <!-- Vicispecies --> |n= <!-- Vicinuntii --> }} <div class="toccolours" style="text-align:center; font-size:14pt; background:#eef; color:navy; "> Hac pagina scriptorium Vicifontis est.<br /> <small><small>Nunc iam sunt '''{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}''' paginae. 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In cooperation with the U4C -- <section end="announcement-content" /> </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 03:41, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)</div> <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s) == On EN wikisource, they have a template <nowiki>{{longs}}</nowiki> to produce ''ſ'' on the transcription page, and by default, ''s'' on the ebook page. users on EN WS can toggle these on and off. In this book, [[:la:Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']], there are a number of unusual characters that could do with toggling: ''ſ (s); ß (ss); ẽ (en / em) ũ (un / um) æ (ae) ę (ae) õ (on / om) ã (an / am) œ (oe)''. ([[:formula:ls]] already exists here for ſ, and some other characters semi-implemented at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] but the toggling is not switched on.) In order to implement this: (1) What would LA WiCategoria:Formulae litterarumkisource need to enable for user toggling of special characters? (2) Who would I contact (assuming this is an admin task)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:06, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :It looks like it would need this installing, as a start: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js|MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:13, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|OrbiliusMagister}} as the only active magister! --[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:16, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|SZC 03}} in case you have an opinion (you made changes at the De Pricipia transcription project which we could implement better with this toggle feature). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:31, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::I would like to point out that not all of the listed characters are of the same kind: ::* ſ is a variant of s; ::* ß, æ and œ are [[:w:en:Ligature (writing)|ligatures]] of ſs, ae and oe respectively ([[:w:en:E caudata|ę]] can represent both ae or oe); ::* ã, ẽ, õ, ũ are used to indicate [[:w:en:Scribal abbreviation|abbreviations]]. ::Personally I think it would be somewhat useful to implement the toggle feature only for æ and œ, since of all the ligatures they are the only ones that carry some meaning (that ae or oe in that word is a diphthong) and the only ones that easily show up in search results and correctly displayed in web-browsers. ::Note that both English and Italian wikisources in their transcription guidelines take in consideration the ability of both modern readers and search engines to correctly interpret the character shown (see [[:en:Wikisource:Style guide/Orthography]] and [[:it:Wikisource:Convenzioni di trascrizione]]). Though it would be useful to write rules specific to the Latin wikisource. ::I hope these considerations were of any help. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 07:58, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) ::In regards to the [[Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']] it would be appropriate to encode the text in a way that we do not lose your work of accurately transcribing the above characters, while still showing to the end user a normalized form. My edit was trying to achieve this with the templates currently in wikisource. ::From a technical standpoint, it would be useful to have a general template not specific to any character that could be used both in ''ad hoc'' situations, and in creating other templates. ::Also if such a template is created for abbreviations it should behave differently from the long s and ligatures, since 1) the text displayed is context dependent, and 2) it is common use in diplomatic transcriptions to show the abbreviated characters in parentheses (so I were taught in paleography class). ::To give an example of point 2 from the text ([[Pagina:Nicolaus_Machiavellus_De_Principe.pdf/69|page 45]], line 11): ::Original text: Iãq́ꝫ ::Diplomatic transcription: Ia(m)q(ue) ::Standard transcription: Iamque ::I’m sorry for the lengthy comments. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:02, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I agree something adhoc would be helpful. The template would need to specify :::* the text as-is and :::* the modernised version :::and hopefully there would be a system to pick up which to display. :::In terms of the display: this could be the js system, perhaps adapted, that we have on en.ws, or possibly it could be an adjustment to the page templates set up, to allow two different books, or sets of pages, to be presented. This would have the advantage that exports would facilitate both (IDK but suspect that exports support the default rather than user choice). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 15:48, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I have set out this information in a [[Usor:JimKillock/Orthography|table]] including information about dictionary lookups and likely search engine issues. In short, from a user perspective, all the characters can be problematic, but æ and œ work within Alpheios for dictionary lookups, so are a bit more tolerable than the others from a default perspective. However I think it is useful tobe able to see and use the originals for some people, eg those practicing reading Renaissance scans etc; or researchers or academics looking to use source texts. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:09, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|Alex brollo}}, {{ping|VIGNERON}}, {{ping|Candalua}} in case you can help. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:38, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] Interesting question. I'll take a look to the ensource template to understand how it works (I hope it is not based on javascript). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 06:18, 1 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I’m afraid it is based on javascript: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] :::To see the button you have to enable the [[:en:Help:Gadget-Visibility|Visibility gadget]]. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:12, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] checking in whether we can implement this, or find another solution. I am holding off further changes until I know how to proceed - but I am sure there should be a way to do this! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:40, 19 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::Noting this question comes up again at [[:Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] (I have [[Disputatio Libri:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|left a note there]]). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:08, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::OK, I have developed templates as this is holding up other people's work. I have based each template on the existing [[:formula:ls]], and avoid duplicating those that already exist using the same method at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]]. Meantime if anyone has further thoughts about using Visibility Gadget or going another way, I would be very grateful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:02, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] I have made a very basic template for flexible character switching at [[Formula:Scr]]; this returns the first entry on the book page, and the second in main space, eg <nowiki>{{scr|qꝫ|que}}</nowiki> would work the same as <nowiki>{{que}}</nowiki>. :::::However there is advice on ENWS not to use characters but use HTML entities for CSS reasons, so it is probably better for users to use specific templates. For example, I also created <nowiki>{{po}}</nowiki> which allows a user to decide what it might best represent, eg <nowiki>{{po|;}} or {{po|?}}</nowiki>. :::::In general, using set templates like <nowiki>{{que}}, {{em}}, {{um}}, {{etc}}</nowiki> is much easier for proofing, so I think I will continue to add these where it seems useful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:29, 24 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Hi folks, so that you know, I have made something of a workaround to be able to enable these features, which works well enough for me. I will perhaps add some guidance somewhere. What I have done: ::::::# Installed the font Garamontio, as it has the qꝫ character, and all the possible ligatures ::::::# Created custom css to apply Garamontio to Wikisource as a whole; at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.css]]; and ::::::# Created (vibecoded) custom javascript at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.js]] ::::::The second script looks for the various spans with the css style typographic-long-s, and replaces the characters as appropriate. This seems to work surprisingly well, Garamontio does all of the discretionary ligatures etc, and is a very well designed font (fork of EB Garamond, with some extra touches useful here). The issue is of course that this applies to the whole of Latin Wikisource all of the time. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:35, 25 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], reading this I wanted to tell you that you could apply styles to a index page, but I see you have already figured it out. Kudos on your progress. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 09:56, 9 Iulii 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Thanks @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]]; my list of scribal transformations has got quite long tho. And I need to check on the possible logic of it, some needs to hide and unhide, rather than search and replace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:27, 11 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == We will be enabling the new Charts extension on your wiki soon! == ''(Apologies for posting in English)'' Hi all! We have good news to share regarding the ongoing problem with graphs and charts affecting all wikis that use them. As you probably know, the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|old Graph extension]] was disabled in 2023 [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/EWL4AGBEZEDMNNFTM4FRD4MHOU3CVESO/|due to security reasons]]. We’ve worked in these two years to find a solution that could replace the old extension, and provide a safer and better solution to users who wanted to showcase graphs and charts in their articles. We therefore developed the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Charts extension]], which will be replacing the old Graph extension and potentially also the [[:mw:Extension:EasyTimeline|EasyTimeline extension]]. After successfully deploying the extension on Italian, Swedish, and Hebrew Wikipedia, as well as on MediaWiki.org, as part of a pilot phase, we are now happy to announce that we are moving forward with the next phase of deployment, which will also include your wiki. The deployment will happen in batches, and will start from '''May 6'''. Please, consult [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|our page on MediaWiki.org]] to discover when the new Charts extension will be deployed on your wiki. 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If you have any questions, you can ask on [[m:Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025|the discussion page for the election]]. -- in cooperation with the U4C, </div><section end="announcement-content" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User_talk:Keegan (WMF)|disputatio]])</bdi> 22:08, 15 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> ''(Apologies for posting in English, if this is not your first language)'' Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation. You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. 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The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats. The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4]. Here are the key planned dates: * May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6] * June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates * July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5] * August 2025: Campaign period * August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period * October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates * Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]]. '''Call for Questions''' In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]] '''Election Volunteers''' Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]] Thank you! [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results [2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter [3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024 [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates Best regards, Victoria Doronina Board Liaison to the Elections Committee Governance Committee<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 03:08, 28 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:RamzyM (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Administrator backlog? == Hi there, I am noticing a lot of pages that say that the current version is not checked; and versions I have amended are not (apparently) displayed because they need approval. Am I right in assuming this is due to a lack of (active) administrator time? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:53, 30 Maii 2025 (UTC) :Relatedly @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] / @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] / other admins, [[Colloquia familiaria]] has an old index page and other old sub pages which could do with changes being approved. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:58, 12 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::Ping on this, some of the sub pages are quite broken. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:42, 28 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :I have tried to fix the lack of text in ePub export for [[Noctes Atticae]]. :Unfortunately, it seems that all my submissions require approval (last approval seems to have taken place more than five years ago). :Is there any way to have <code>class="ws-export"</code> to the second <code>&lt;table&gt;</code> from [[Noctes Atticae]]? :Many thanks for your help, [[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 19:09, 15 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] Checking you know this is working now [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:21, 18 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Vote now in the 2025 U4C Election == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> Apologies for writing in English. {{Int:Please-translate}} Eligible voters are asked to participate in the 2025 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee]] election. 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Many of these works—some dating back decades or even centuries—offer fascinating insights into how memory has been understood, trained, and improved across different cultures and time periods. I've recently added a new section to the portal: "Multilingual Works on Mnemonic Techniques." This is in part because several of the English-language texts reference related works in other languages, particularly Latin. Unfortunately, many of these referenced works are written in Classical Latin, and my ability to work with them is quite limited—I’ve done what I can, but they remain largely inaccessible to me. If anyone has expertise in Classical Latin and might be willing to help with these texts, your assistance would be greatly appreciated. * ''[[:la:Foenix|Foenix]] by [[w:en:Peter of Ravenna|Peter of Ravenna]]'' (1491) * ''[[:la:Congestorium Artificiose Memorie|Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]'' by Johann Horst von Romberch (1533) [[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032259.jpg|150px]][[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032269.jpg|150px]] Here is a discussion form on it https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/johannes-romberchs-congestorium-artificiose-memorie/30174 Warm regards [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 23:15, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :Hi there, I could help proofing texts you have prepared perhaps? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:57, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :: Thanks for offering—I’d really appreciate your help with proofreading. :: We have two books. Which one would you like to start with? ::*[[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] ::*[[Liber:Congestorium artificiose memorie ... - V.P.F. Joa(n)nis Romberch de Kyrspe. Regularis obseruantie predicatorie- (IA hin-wel-all-00002875-001).pdf]] ::[[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 21:49, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I can do the pages you have put into the first, as a start for you. BTW the transcribed text does not always look like it originated from the source. It is very correct, but some has different orthography and missed certain parts. That is fine of course if we are correcting to the original. (PS: you might want to create a user account so that you can be notified of replies, hide your IP address, etc). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:57, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I had a go at the first page or two; some of the orthography was removed while other parts were kept. I kept all of it as a first go. See the discussion above about how we treat orthography, hopefully we can address this with templates. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:11, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::I'm using Google OCR and some AI tools to pull out text and sometimes translate it into English so I can understand it. If anyone could help me proofread or check it, I’d be super grateful! [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 00:50, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::I have added all the templates we need for the special characters / orthography, I will start doing the pages with those. The end result will be that on the main space ebook pages, the chars will toggle on and off, at least once that is properly implemented. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:25, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Noted, sounds good. I’ll try adding to the other pages next time. 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[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:14, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Sister Projects Task Force reviews Wikispore and Wikinews</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Dear Wikimedia Community, The [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee|Community Affairs Committee (CAC)]] of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees assigned [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Sister Projects Task Force|the Sister Projects Task Force (SPTF)]] to update and implement a procedure for assessing the lifecycle of Sister Projects – wiki [[m:Wikimedia projects|projects supported by Wikimedia Foundation (WMF)]]. A vision of relevant, accessible, and impactful free knowledge has always guided the Wikimedia Movement. As the ecosystem of Wikimedia projects continues to evolve, it is crucial that we periodically review existing projects to ensure they still align with our goals and community capacity. Despite their noble intent, some projects may no longer effectively serve their original purpose. '''Reviewing such projects is not about giving up – it's about responsible stewardship of shared resources'''. Volunteer time, staff support, infrastructure, and community attention are finite, and the non-technical costs tend to grow significantly as our ecosystem has entered a different age of the internet than the one we were founded in. Supporting inactive projects or projects that didn't meet our ambitions can unintentionally divert these resources from areas with more potential impact. Moreover, maintaining projects that no longer reflect the quality and reliability of the Wikimedia name stands for, involves a reputational risk. An abandoned or less reliable project affects trust in the Wikimedia movement. Lastly, '''failing to sunset or reimagine projects that are no longer working can make it much harder to start new ones'''. When the community feels bound to every past decision – no matter how outdated – we risk stagnation. A healthy ecosystem must allow for evolution, adaptation, and, when necessary, letting go. If we create the expectation that every project must exist indefinitely, we limit our ability to experiment and innovate. Because of this, SPTF reviewed two requests concerning the lifecycle of the Sister Projects to work through and demonstrate the review process. We chose Wikispore as a case study for a possible new Sister Project opening and Wikinews as a case study for a review of an existing project. Preliminary findings were discussed with the CAC, and a community consultation on both proposals was recommended. === Wikispore === The [[m:Wikispore|application to consider Wikispore]] was submitted in 2019. SPTF decided to review this request in more depth because rather than being concentrated on a specific topic, as most of the proposals for the new Sister Projects are, Wikispore has the potential to nurture multiple start-up Sister Projects. After careful consideration, the SPTF has decided '''not to recommend''' Wikispore as a Wikimedia Sister Project. Considering the current activity level, the current arrangement allows '''better flexibility''' and experimentation while WMF provides core infrastructural support. We acknowledge the initiative's potential and seek community input on what would constitute a sufficient level of activity and engagement to reconsider its status in the future. As part of the process, we shared the decision with the Wikispore community and invited one of its leaders, Pharos, to an SPTF meeting. Currently, we especially invite feedback on measurable criteria indicating the project's readiness, such as contributor numbers, content volume, and sustained community support. This would clarify the criteria sufficient for opening a new Sister Project, including possible future Wikispore re-application. However, the numbers will always be a guide because any number can be gamed. === Wikinews === We chose to review Wikinews among existing Sister Projects because it is the one for which we have observed the highest level of concern in multiple ways. Since the SPTF was convened in 2023, its members have asked for the community's opinions during conferences and community calls about Sister Projects that did not fulfil their promise in the Wikimedia movement.[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WCNA_2024._Sister_Projects_-_opening%3F_closing%3F_merging%3F_splitting%3F.pdf <nowiki>[1]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Sister_Projects_Task_Force#Wikimania_2023_session_%22Sister_Projects:_past,_present_and_the_glorious_future%22 <nowiki>[2]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[3]</nowiki>] Wikinews was the leading candidate for an evaluation because people from multiple language communities proposed it. Additionally, by most measures, it is the least active Sister Project, with the greatest drop in activity over the years. While the Language Committee routinely opens and closes language versions of the Sister Projects in small languages, there has never been a valid proposal to close Wikipedia in major languages or any project in English. This is not true for Wikinews, where there was a proposal to close English Wikinews, which gained some traction but did not result in any action[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_English_Wikinews <nowiki>[4]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[5]</nowiki>, see section 5] as well as a draft proposal to close all languages of Wikinews[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_closing_projects/Archive_2#Close_Wikinews_completely,_all_languages? <nowiki>[6]</nowiki>]. [[:c:File:Sister Projects Taskforce Wikinews review 2024.pdf|Initial metrics]] compiled by WMF staff also support the community's concerns about Wikinews. Based on this report, SPTF recommends a community reevaluation of Wikinews. We conclude that its current structure and activity levels are the lowest among the existing sister projects. SPTF also recommends pausing the opening of new language editions while the consultation runs. SPTF brings this analysis to a discussion and welcomes discussions of alternative outcomes, including potential restructuring efforts or integration with other Wikimedia initiatives. '''Options''' mentioned so far (which might be applied to just low-activity languages or all languages) include but are not limited to: *Restructure how Wikinews works and is linked to other current events efforts on the projects, *Merge the content of Wikinews into the relevant language Wikipedias, possibly in a new namespace, *Merge content into compatibly licensed external projects, *Archive Wikinews projects. Your insights and perspectives are invaluable in shaping the future of these projects. We encourage all interested community members to share their thoughts on the relevant discussion pages or through other designated feedback channels. === Feedback and next steps === We'd be grateful if you want to take part in a conversation on the future of these projects and the review process. We are setting up two different project pages: [[m:Public consultation about Wikispore|Public consultation about Wikispore]] and [[m:Public consultation about Wikinews|Public consultation about Wikinews]]. Please participate between 27 June 2025 and 27 July 2025, after which we will summarize the discussion to move forward. You can write in your own language. I will also host a community conversation 16th July Wednesday 11.00 UTC and 17th July Thursday 17.00 UTC (call links to follow shortly) and will be around at Wikimania for more discussions. <section end="message"/> </div> -- [[User:Victoria|Victoria]] on behalf of the Sister Project Task Force, 20:57, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Johan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Johan_(WMF)/Sister_project_MassMassage_on_behalf_of_Victoria/Target_list&oldid=28911188 --> == Latin incunabula and other early books == Expanding a bit on what I mentioned above, re character toggling, and also working on the books [[Foenix]] and [[Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae]] * the Transkribus Latin Incunabula scan does a great job on the heavy gothic style print * I will see how it does with more Garamond-style texts, in case it works with these * I have developed a fairly full set of templates for scribal characters, see [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] * I am thinking about using a bot to wholesale search and replace long s, and other scribal characters mapped there Between these things, the work to transcribe and correct early printed Latin books should be very much reduced. If anyone feels like helping test this out, do give me shout. Meantime I will run tests on Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae to check how well the bot system works. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:50, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :The folks at Wikisource helped create a JS solution for this, see [[Usor:JimKillock/incunabula.js]]. The script does a search and replace for what is needed, on the '''first save of a new book page'''; these are the settings for the Incunabula style section of [[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|this scan, p 52 onwards]] for [[Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]. It seems to work very well and is extremely labour saving! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 22:59, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == Navigation and validation == Hi there, I would like to do some work on navigation, to provide some "portal" pages similar to EN Wikisource. For example, this would help with learner texts a lot 9I often get asked how to find these texts, I point to the category pages, but these are very basic. I would also like to know what we should do about page validation. Some really necessary changes are currently languishing in the backlog. This is an admin only task: should we asking for more administrators, or is this something existing admins here can take on? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 14:08, 13 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :Hi {{U|JimKillock}} good idea, don't hesitate to start and/or ask for help. That said, I'm not sure to see why this is an admin task (even if, yes, the underlying point is true, we need more admins). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:31, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think the Portal namespace and some modules need setting up which require admin permissions, I will dig a bit further and come back to you. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Wikidata Item and Property labels soon displayed in Wiki Watchlist/Recent Changes == ''(Apologies for posting in English, you can help by translating into your language)'' Hello everyone, the [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects]] team is excited to announce an upcoming change in how Wikidata edit changelogs are displayed in your [[Special:Watchlist|Watchlists]] and [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]] lists. 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[[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 12:46, 14 Iulii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Danny Benjafield (WMDE)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)/MassMessage_Test_List&oldid=28981877 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr"> Upcoming Deployment of the CampaignEvents Extension</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Hello everyone, ''(Apologies for posting in English if English is not your first language. Please help translate to your language.)'' The Campaigns Product Team is planning a global deployment of the '''[[:mw:Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]]''' to all Wikisource, including this Wikisource, during the '''week of August 25th'''. This extension is designed to help organizers plan and manage events, WikiProjects, and other on-wiki collaborations - and to make these efforts more discoverable. The three main features of this extension are: * '''[[:m:Event_Center/Registration|Event Registration]]''': A simple way to sign up for events on the wiki. * '''[[:m:CampaignEvents/Collaboration_list|Collaboration List]]''': A global list of events and a local list of WikiProjects, accessible at '''[[:m:Special:AllEvents|Special:AllEvents]]'''. * '''[[:m:Campaigns/Foundation_Product_Team/Invitation_list|Invitation Lists]]''': A tool to help organizers find editors who might want to join, based on their past contributions. '''Note''': The extension comes with a new user right called '''"Event Organizer"''', which will be managed by administrators on this Wikisource. Organizer tools like Event Registration and Invitation Lists will only work if someone is granted this right. The Collaboration List is available to everyone immediately after deployment. The extension is already live on several wikis, including '''all Wikipedia, Meta, Wikidata''', and more ( [[m:CampaignEvents/Deployment_status#Current_Deployment_Status_for_CampaignEvents_extension| See the full deployment list]]) If you have any questions, concerns, or feedback, please feel free to share them on the [[m:Talk:CampaignEvents| extension talkpage]]. We’d love to hear from you before the rollout. Thank you! <section end="message"/> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:Udehb-WMF|Udehb-WMF]] ([[User talk:Udehb-WMF|disputatio]]) 15:40, 31 Iulii 2025 (UTC)</bdi> <!-- Message sent by User:Udehb-WMF@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Udehb-WMF/sandbox/MM_target_Wikisource&oldid=29066664 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Temporary accounts will be rolled out soon</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="body"/> Hello, we are the Wikimedia Foundation [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity|Product Safety and Integrity]] team. We would like to announce that '''we plan to enable [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] for this wiki in the week of September 1'''. Temporary accounts are successfully live on 30 wikis, including many large ones like German, Japanese, and French. The change they bring is especially relevant to logged-out editors, who this feature is designed to protect. But it is also relevant to community members like mentors, patrollers, and admins – anyone who reverts edits, blocks users, or otherwise interacts with logged-out editors as part of keeping the wikis safe and accurate. '''Why we are building temporary accounts''' Our wikis should be safer to edit by default for logged-out editors. Temporary accounts allow people to continue editing the wikis without creating an account, while avoiding publicly tying their edits to their IP address. We believe this is in the best interest of our logged-out editors, who make valuable contributions to the wikis and who may later create accounts and grow our community of editors, admins, and other roles. Even though the wikis do warn logged-out editors that their IP address will be associated with their edit, many people may not understand what an IP address is, or that it could be used to connect them to other information about them in ways they might not expect. Additionally, our moderation software and tools rely too heavily on network origin (IP addresses) to identify users and patterns of activity, especially as IP addresses themselves are becoming less stable as identifiers. Temporary accounts allow for more precise interactions with logged-out editors, including more precise blocks, and can help limit how often we unintentionally end up blocking good-faith users who use the same IP addresses as bad-faith users. 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In comparison, an IP address can be shared with different devices and people (for example, different people at school or at work might have the same IP address). * Compared to the current situation, it will be safer to assume that a temporary user's talk page belongs to only one person, and messages left there will be read by them. As you can see in the screenshot, temporary account users will receive notifications. It will also be possible to thank them for their edits, ping them in discussions, and invite them to get more involved in the community. 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Thank you!<section end="body" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:user:NKohli (WMF)|NKohli (WMF)]], [[m:user:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]]</bdi> 21:36, 26 Augusti 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Quiddity_(WMF)/sandbox6&oldid=29181713 --> == All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae == I was looking for templates/formulae by looking at <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> All pages in [[Liber:Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Many (all?) pages in [[Liber:Gallia Christiana, 1715, T1.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki>, like article [[Gallia Christiana 1715 01/Epistola2]] These all use [[Formula:Sidenotes begin]]. There is one "[https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&oldid=79709&diff=cur pending change]" on this template. But that change puts the category outside the noinclude. ::<nowiki></noinclude></nowiki> ::<nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Please either reject the change or move the categoria line. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 04:17, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], I don't think anyone from the admins is monitoring or actioning pending changes currently. (see discussions re admin queues above.) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 05:29, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Shenme}} {{done}} I excluded the categories. {{ping|JimKillock}} no blame but be careful next time, categories should always be excluded. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:28, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|VIGNERON}} It wasn't @JimKillock who made [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&diff=next&oldid=79709 the problematic change], but someone else [[Usor:Ceciliawolf]]. I noticed the problem, he included the problem a list that got your attention. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 02:46, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Shenme}} yes, but [[Special:Diff/236794]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 06:57, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Request for admin status == Hi all, given that we have quite a lot of admin requests (mostly relating to "pending" changes), I would like to request administrator status so that some of these can be cleared. If anyone else wants to step up to help out, that would also be welcome. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:23, 1 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Ping to @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], @[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]]:, @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]]:, @[[Usor:Candalua|Candalua]]: in case you feel able to support my request. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:57, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Hi {{U|JimKillock}}, ::I apparently missed it, where do we have « a lot of admin requests » ? ::That said, one more admin is always good, so create the request and I'll support it. ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:34, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::Hi @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]], :::Thank you! On the admin requests, on this page, here are these :::* [[#All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae]] :::* [[#It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace]] (which you have replied to) :::* [[#Navigation and validation]] :::* [[#Administrator backlog?]] :::* [[#Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s)]] (altho this has been worked around and may not be needed) :::Most of these relate to the ''Pending changes'' backlog in various ways; two are requests for new features / modules to be ported across. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks, I see. It doesn't look like a lot to me, I'll try to deal with it today. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:27, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thank you @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] :) You could also take a look at the pending changes on [[Formula:Pagina_prima/Novae_Aetatis]] and [[Moriae encomium]]. The really big job is going through [[Specialis:PendingChanges|pending changes]] altogether - I understand there is a five year backlog. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:36, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::I see... I had a quick look and all changes seem good. Do we even need this extension on Wikisource? Also, if we keep it, I guess we need more reviewers rather than admins (more admins would be useful too, but that's a separate point). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 10:35, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Of course, the request needs to be supported; without active administrators it is very inconvenient. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:21, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::What do you need us to do? BTW, it would be great to know why edits require administrator approvals. Sorry, but I‘m afraid this makes contributing almost pointless. Many thanks for your help, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 14:15, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::So there are two reasons it would be helpful for me to be an admin; one is if we carry on with the approval system (it looks like we will not) and the other is around updating or adding certain components, modules for example. There may be other tasks I am not aware of that I could help with, but these are the ones I know about. Implementing Portal pages for example needs some work by an admin AIUI. :::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] your question re edits needing approval is [[#Do_we_need_to_approve_changes_to_pages|addressed below, here]]. :::In terms of what you / others need to do, it seems that if there is a consensus to allow me administrator permissions, then a bueaucrat user would implement it (I mistakenly opening a request at meta, and they referred me back here); so we just need to have your views, yes, no, maybe, etc. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:01, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::The page [[Vicifons:Magistratus]], intended for promotion, seems to be protected; I couldn't edit it (''petitio grapheocrat'''ae''''') and add a category ([[:Categoria:Usores]]). [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:23, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thanks, it seems editable now so I [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Petitio_magistratus|added my request there]], if anyone wants to support it. Regarding ''grapheocrates -ae'', how is this declined? Is it otherwise treated as a masculine first declension? Thinking it ought to be added to Wiktionary as it is missing from there. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:00, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::This is [https://archive.org/details/calepinusnovus2002/calepinusnovus2002-french-latin/page/n23/mode/1up?q=grapheocrates from Licoppe and Eichenseer]. Yes, this can be added to Wiktionary, I have no experience editing there. Thanks for the corrections, today the system let me in, but yesterday for some unknown reason it didn’t let me in. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:53, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::Thank you and no problem. I can add to Wiktionary I hope; is the plural therefore ''grapheocratae''; and is the singular ''grapheocrates'' or ''grapheocrata''? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:14, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Yes, of course. They took the Modern Greek word γραφειοκράτης. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:41, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::::Great, after a bit of struggle that is at [[:en:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] and [[:la:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:43, 7 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace == It would require someone with interface admin status to create [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index data config.json]] to replace the current index form parameters ([[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index attributes|very old system]]) with special care to not mass delete information by unadvertedly changing some parameter's name. [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config.json Example from the English Wikisource]. If someone wants to help, please contact me. Regards! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 02:10, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]], potentially - if I have admin status :) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:54, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Ignacio Rodríguez}} I did a test (by copy-pasting the English page), it works, so no need to be interface admin, being admin is enough. ::I only half understand that paramater page, could you give me the actual content expected ? ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:38, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::I don't remember all the details but I worked on that page in the Spanish Wikisource almost a decade ago. I'll make a mockup in the talk page, but I can't promise to get all the Latin words right. For ease, parameter names and help tooltips will be in English internally, but they will show in Latin in the form. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::This was added and it now works perfectly. Thanks! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:25, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Do we need to approve changes to pages == Hi all, Moving the discussion regarding the backlog at [[Specialis:PendingChanges]]: @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] asks whether we need to have this feature. I suspect it was switched on because of spam, vandalism, or some other similar issue. Without it we might need to be keeping an eye on recent changes. I am not sure how the proteccted changes permissions works, or whether permissions to make approvals to changes can be delegated more widely. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Changes to pages affecting project *function* must be controlled. But it seems that Pending Changes doesn't actually stop changes to something like a template/formula from having effect? See my report about <nowiki>Formula:Sidenotes begin</nowiki> above. :And checking a couple of the other initial items in [[Specialis:PendingChanges]], it seems that all pending changes are actually immediately applied to active, visible pages. :So Pending Changes <u>does not prevent damage</u> to the project. It is <u>merely a tracking and notification method?</u> :That can be useful, but requires a set of people to be change reviewers. And changes to subject matter would seem to require reviewers knowledgeable about the subject? :And when changes affect *function*, like templates, who can review and approve those? I'd think only admins. :The link to monitoring Recent Changes is undeniable. I monitor Recent Changes often at Spanish Wikisource because I've seen the random damage people can do. That is the only way to react quickly to damage. (?) But then that assumes people are checking lists frequently, at least daily. :Neither Pending Changes or monitoring Recent Changes prevent damage. They can be only part of a solution to damage. I don't know what to think about Pending Changes ''in isolation''. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 03:48, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} I've got mainly two points : ::* vandlism is low to inexistant on la.ws (and it's already low on most Wikisources), making this extension useless and even problematic. Because it doesn't prevent changes but it prevents them to be effective. ::** Apparently the reason to install is [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_VII#protection_of_completed_works_-_Flagged_Revisions_as_an_alternative?]] ::* this extension is actually caleld [[mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs]] and it's deprecated for years (see [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_XI#Futrue_of_FlaggedRevs_(Pending_Changes)_extension]] or the warning on the extension itself « Flagged Revisions is complex, poorly documented, very clunky, and not recommended for production use »). Also, people on Wikisource don't seem to really master or even using it (including the reviewers rights). Maybe it's aan opportunity to list exactly what we need and find a new extension that fit these needs. ::In the end, I see a lot of cons and only a few pros... ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:35, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :I haven't seen any vandalism here in years. But if you fix the errors, the "Pending Changes" status means that the fixes will only be visible to registered users. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:10, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} many thanks for your replies. I must admit that I’m an occasional Wikisource (or even Wikipedia contributor). I essentially (or exclusively) contribute corrections. :Some days ago, I wanted to download an ePub file for the [[Noctes Atticae]] (to do some regexp searches), but the export was wrong. I tried to modify the code (which I have done successfully for the Greek Wikisource many times) and I found out that I needed a ''nihil obstat'' (I’m afraid this would be way to name it). :Of course, I’m the least interested in vandalism (either contributing it myself, or being any collaborative project being infested/polluted by it). But I think there should be a way of distinguishing between vandalism and non-hardcore (or occasional) contributors. :I don’t know any perfect system, but it should be worth considering a mixed approach. Approval could be required for: already flagged users (for vandalism) and recent users (how about a five-year publishing embargo?). :Only to mention a case, my [https://el.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Συμπόσιον_(Πλάτων)&diff=prev&oldid=49677 first contribution to the Greek Wiksource] was in 2012. I don’t know for how long I have been registered in Wikimedia (I guess this was before 2010). :This isn’t about myself, the issue here is that Wikisource needs contributions to even exist (not to mention for its growth). If no regular user is allowed to contribute without approval, cooperation is basically non-existing. :Even with approval, the reply times are incredibly slow (because of the system). It is not that attention spans are getting shorter, time is the most scarce resource we all are (and I don’t have weeks or months to see whether I’m allowed to have [[Noctes Atticae]] as ePub). :Sorry, the sentence in parentheses isn’t a complaint. Please, do as you please, but my contribution is: consider that you might be making contributions way harder, project growth way slower and administrators’ roles way more complicated (probably, than they could and should be). :Many thanks for your help and your project, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 17:15, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think there is consensus we can switch this off. Let me know if I can help in any way if you think it's time to switch it off. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:25, 4 Octobris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks for the reminder and agreed for removal, so I created a task on Phabricator here : [[Phab:T406424]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:42, 5 Octobris 2025 (UTC) ::::Thanks for filing this @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] , the Wikimedia tech team seem to have finished their work on this now! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:16, 18 Octobris 2025 (UTC) == Index page error "Error: Invalid interval" == I am getting an error: at [[:Liber:Nos in schola latine loquimur - Ars latine loquendi.pdf]] "Error: Invalid interval" for the paginae listing; even when set to <code><nowiki><pagelist 1=1 /></nowiki></code>. Any clues appreciated! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:48, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :This might be the infamous "0x0 bug" that has plagued Wikisource for two? three? years. Normally it resolves doing a purge in both the file page in Commons and in the local Wikisource. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 19:34, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Thanks, that seems to b working now. 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We think it may be necessary to use a special / embedded font to do this, as I think was meant for <nowiki>{{blackletter}}</nowiki> ({{blackletter|exempli gratia}}; see [[Formula:Blackletter/styles.css]], although this does not seem to be calling a font at the moment). Does anyone have any advice about how we would add a webfont to LAWS's CSS, particularly for ℣ and ℟ ; or if there is a way to use an existing webfont with these characters that might be available to us? (Or if there is some other workable solution). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:58, 24 Octobris 2025 (UTC) == Vandalismus == Vidi nuper nonnihil vandalismi, qualis in [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Veni,_Veni_Emmanuel!&curid=12961&diff=244803&oldid=244791 hoc] et [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Old_Testament_(Vulgate)/Hieremias_propheta&action=history illo] apparuit. 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Appropriate for here? == What is going on here? * [[Scriptor:Coronus_Tenebrosius]] * [[Contemplationes_Metaphysicae]] * [[Puteus_Chaosi]] * [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius]] No statement of copyright. No proof of authorship. paginae vanitatis ? [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 08:24, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Cum iure auctoris problemata non habebimus, si auctor ipse opera exponit. Et si delere consilium capiemus, [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Saumache|magistratus non habemus]], qui hoc faciant. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:37, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :<blockquote>'''Salvete.''' '''Nomen meum est Krunoslav Mrkoci, et ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' est interpretatio nominis mei in linguam Latinam, id est identitas mea Latina.''' '''Confirmo me ipsum auctorem esse omnium operum hic editorum. Opera primum Croatice scripta sunt, hic autem in versione Latina proposita.''' 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'''Coronus Tenebrosius'''.</blockquote> [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius|Coronus Tenebrosius]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Coronus Tenebrosius|disputatio]]) 12:23, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) == Copying some templates from the English Wikisource == Hello, Would someone please be able to help me get [[s:en:Template:ppoem|en:Template:ppoem]], [[s:en:blackletter|en:blackletter]], [[s:en:Template:he|en:Template:he]], and [[s:en:Template:grc|en:Template:grc]] available to use on this Wikisource, so I can utilize them here? For the blackletter, I've tried [[Formula:Gothica|Gothica]], but that doesn't seem to be rendering properly. Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 00:04, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] I made the shortcut for [[Formula:Graeca]]. You should not need any administror rights to do anything you need, I'll take a look into it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 09:46, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Blackletter is already here, [[:Formula:Gothica]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:57, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Hi! @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]], thanks! Just for clarification, do I need to make the template pages in Latin, or is it alright to copy them in English? Also, @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], I mentioned this above, but for some reason, the Gothica template isn't working for me. See [[Pagina:Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf/15]], for example. Any idea why that might be the case? [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 16:16, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] This wiki lacks proper guidelines and recommendations, I would prefer if you translated the template's name, e.g., [[Formula:spatium]] rather than [[Formula:spatio]] but given the international nature of the project (nobody's mother tongue is Latin) best practice should be to add translated names as shortcuts/redirects. Beware adding templates that are already on the wiki under a different name ([[Formula:grc]] was already at [[Formula:Graeca]]). I took a quick look and it seems the fonts used by the blackletter template are not installed on the wiki; the same template does not seem to work on the French Wikisource either. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 17:40, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::Maybe we have sufficient powers to add the fonts now? Or we can ask someone with additional permissions to do so. But yes I remember now this has been a long standing problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:54, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::[https://yaytext.com/fraktur/ This converter] 𝔠𝔬𝔫𝔳𝔢𝔯𝔱𝔰 𝔩𝔢𝔱𝔱𝔢𝔯𝔰 𝔱𝔬 𝔉𝔯𝔞𝔨𝔱𝔲𝔯 (because it exists in Unicode as separate characters). <s>However, I'm not sure if such text can be found using a regular search.</s> No, Wikipedia search finds it. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:48, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::I looked into using the converter, but I'm running into the issue of lack of compatibility with {{[[Formula:Ls|Ls]]}}. Would it be better to just wait for the font to be added? Do we have any idea when that will happen/who needs to be contacted for that to happen? ::::Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 19:34, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::::These Unicode characters don't feel right on my labtop, they have heigth issues among other things. I went and asked on two different wikis about the fonts, I will come back to you when I get some answers. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 19:41, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :[[Formula:Poema recte formatum]] or [[Formula:Ppoem]] now work, altho there's issues with the documentation page. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:52, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 21:20, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{tl|blackletter}} was not working for me, even after locally installing UnifrakturMaguntia from Google fonts, until I restarted my web browser, which also followed my rebooting. Also, it can't be just any gothic/blackletter font, but must be one of these Fraktur fonts: UnifrakturMaguntia UnifrakturCook Unifraktur. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 21:19, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{ping|Demetrius Talpa|JimKillock|Erblanchard57}} Fonts are downloaded locally, you need to go to Modi/Praeferentiae > Proprietates > Sermonis delectus > Plura > Scripturae and toggle "Download fonts when needed". The option seems not to be that easy to toggle on by default. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 10:56, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, great. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:09, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you very much! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 15:57, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::English WS seems to pull the font in from a repository. I've copied over the module ULS, css etc, would be good to know if it has made any difference. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::{{blackletter|fraktur}} etc [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I just deactivated the "download fonts when needed" option for a second to see if it would work without it, and it still doesn't. 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Every page now has the "Proofread" status, except that a few are also "Validated". I expect it will take quite a while before the whole book gets that second read, if it ever will. My question: is it already acceptable to transclude the text into the main namespace at this stage, even though most pages are only single-proofread rather than validated? Or is there a convention on this Wikisource that a work should be fully validated before merging onto the mainspace? Gratias vobis ago pro consiliis vestris. [[Usor:Sakvaka|Sakvaka]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Sakvaka|disputatio]]) 09:16, 25 Iulii 2026 (UTC) :Of course, this is acceptable; the texts there are of very different quality. Besides, transclusion slightly increases the chances that someone will find it for re-examination. 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Pittacium idcirco e pagina detraxi. --[[Usor:Grufo|Grufo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Grufo|disputatio]]) 20:50, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Nam eaedem quidem editiones sunt, quibusdam minusculis in maiusculas versis litteris formaque apostropharum solum differunt. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 21:08, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default == Hi @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] and others, I noticed that [[:Formula:Littera s longa]] has been changed so that <nowiki>{{s}}</nowiki> produces ſ rather than s by default. This is in contrast to for example English Wikipedia which allows it as a user option, but assumes it is "s" by default. For other formulae, eg {{um}}, {{us}}, {{que}}, etc these are "off" by default. Likewise {{ae}}, {{oe}} I believe are off by default currently. There various ways that this can work, for example: * we could provide a user switch for either state per symbol, etc (with JS, as per EN.WS) * we can provide advice about applying fonts, etc, that can set ſ, ae/oe ligatures, etc, through css preferences * CSS can specify some of this per book (not all ligatures, eg {{que}} can be applied through CSS, and it depends on installed fonts in some cases) * we ''might'' be able to apply a default javascript switch behaviour per book rather than sitewide I don't have a massive preference for s over ſ, or ae / oe over or æ / œ ; but we should I think at least allow users to easily switch, especially re ſ if it is the default. Just throwing it out there for discussion, to see what the general feeling / preference would be. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:40, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :I lacked the rights to have it be toggled on and off through a gadget, we should ask interface administrators to do it, that should be the best way about it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 22:45, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] Take a look to itwikisource gadget "memoRegex". It allows to save and share nsIntex-specific, customable sets of regex or plain substitutions, and it has been recently refined by @Candalua (a great job!). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 10:39, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Portal pages == Hi all, I'd like to suggest we create a few "Portal" pages for some key topics, so we can detail what is good and why rather than just provide category pages. There's a need for a page for introductory Latin, for example, which could explain levels of suitability of texts. See also [[#Navigation and validation]] above To do this, we need community consensus to add a namespace, and then, it is done through a request at Phabricator. The namespace would define what this group of pages were called eg [[Portus:Index]] and also the name of the "Disputatio" (discussion) pages. Please let me know if you agree with this proposal or not, so we can demonstrate consensus for the change to be made. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:50, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :cc @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]]@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:12, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::I consent to the proposal, though I am not sure about the translation 'Portus'. I think that 'Aditus' would better suit this usecase, since from portals users will be able to 'adire' the relevant pages. P.S. Out of curiosity I have checked the dictionary of A. Perugini, and he translates 'portale' as 'porta principalis. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:31, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Ok, sure (regardless, the Vicifons namespace could be used meanwhile to do some testing for the content). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 12:25, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::Ok (even if I'm a inactive admin... :-( ) [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 12:55, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::I totatlly agree! - [[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:OrbiliusMagister|disputatio]]) 13:28, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] By the way, it would be nice if you could [[Vicifons:Scriptorium#Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default|check this out]]! [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 20:53, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Wikiversity was originally intended for educational purposes. But a portal can be created here too. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:00, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I think it would be best to take inspiration from [[:w:la]], at least for the vocabulary. This would: :* provide a vocabulary and structure people may be well acquainted with already :* facilitate our work, not having to find the proper terms for ourselves :* have some sort of continuity between Latin projects :I had started doing this for documentation templates, as they where copied as is from [[:en:Wikisource]]. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 20:50, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::Sure, what do you mean in practice? Does W:la have a phrase for Portal? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 21:29, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::I must say I don't really understand what you precisely intend to put on these pages and why they could not be of the Vicifons namespace. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 00:35, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::It's probably done on En:ws so that search works across portals and mainspace pages but not advice pages; or that search in advice pages does not include results from mainspace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:37, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::Here are some ideas for core pages, following nomenclature used by [[:w:la]] and [[:en:Wikisource]] (names are not definite): :::::* [[Vicifons:De stilo]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Style guide]]) including: titles and their capitalization, use of Roman/Arabic numerals, use of classifiers before numbers (liber, carmen, etc.); regularization of spelling (in non-facsimile pages), anchors, etc. :::::* [[Vicifons:Qualitas paginarum]] :::::* [[Vicifons:De categoriis]] :::::* [[Vicifons:De fontibus]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Sources]]) about how and where, or how not and where not, to find good sources, the fact that most pages don't have sources or are copied from bad sources, e.g., The Latin Library, how to recify this, etc. :::::And help pages: :::::* [[Auxilium:De digitizationem textorum imaginumque ad usum Vicifontis]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Help:Digitising texts and images for Wikisource]]) :::::* etc. :::::I'd be happy to batch something for [[Vicifons:De stilo]], as I think it is really needed. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 13:01, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::I agree, a style guide is badly needed. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:20, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I have sketched something up in my [[Usor:Saumache/Pagina cerata|sandbox]], rules are based on common practices of this wiki and personal preferences, please add rules, comments, sections, etc. without removing anything for the moment: we may discuss any of it on a dedicated discussion page. If my process isn't right and you think or know we sould do this some other way, please tell me. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 16:06, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Quae hucusque scripsisti, mihi bona videntur. Just a minor thing: the slash at the end of the link should not be included: it should be <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I]]</nowiki></code> and not <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>. The rules 'de titulis paginarum' will be particularly useful for the classical works on Wikisource, since they are a mess in this regard. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:25, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::On Vicipaedia portals are simply combined [[:w:la:Categoria:Portae|into a category]]; it is not necessary to ask the Phabricator. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 08:19, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::<small>The link you have sent is actually a category of pages about city gates (lat. ''portae''). Though,</small> It is true that we can still write portal pages without a dedicated namespace, and just group them with templates and categories. For example on German wikisource there is no author namespace, they just have an [[:de:Kategorie:Autoren|'author' category]]. It is an idea that is worth considering. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:38, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::We [[:w:la:Categoria:Portae Vicipaedianae|renamed it]] yesterday. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 16:57, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) 8fx99bxb2h8myaz2oazg8y7fsm5vtr8 276978 276951 2026-08-22T20:11:33Z JimKillock 19003 /* Portal pages */ Reply 276978 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ <!--- __NOTOC__ --->[[Categoria:Vicifons|Scriptorium]] {{Intraincepti |w= Vicipaedia:Taberna |q= Vicicitatio:Taberna |commons: <!-- Communia --> |b= Vicilibri:Porta Communis |wikt= Victionarium:Taberna |m= <!-- Meta --> |wikispecies= <!-- Vicispecies --> |n= <!-- Vicinuntii --> }} <div class="toccolours" style="text-align:center; font-size:14pt; background:#eef; color:navy; "> Hac pagina scriptorium Vicifontis est.<br /> <small><small>Nunc iam sunt '''{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}''' paginae. 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In cooperation with the U4C -- <section end="announcement-content" /> </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 03:41, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)</div> <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s) == On EN wikisource, they have a template <nowiki>{{longs}}</nowiki> to produce ''ſ'' on the transcription page, and by default, ''s'' on the ebook page. users on EN WS can toggle these on and off. In this book, [[:la:Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']], there are a number of unusual characters that could do with toggling: ''ſ (s); ß (ss); ẽ (en / em) ũ (un / um) æ (ae) ę (ae) õ (on / om) ã (an / am) œ (oe)''. ([[:formula:ls]] already exists here for ſ, and some other characters semi-implemented at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] but the toggling is not switched on.) In order to implement this: (1) What would LA WiCategoria:Formulae litterarumkisource need to enable for user toggling of special characters? (2) Who would I contact (assuming this is an admin task)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:06, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :It looks like it would need this installing, as a start: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js|MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:13, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|OrbiliusMagister}} as the only active magister! --[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:16, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|SZC 03}} in case you have an opinion (you made changes at the De Pricipia transcription project which we could implement better with this toggle feature). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:31, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::I would like to point out that not all of the listed characters are of the same kind: ::* ſ is a variant of s; ::* ß, æ and œ are [[:w:en:Ligature (writing)|ligatures]] of ſs, ae and oe respectively ([[:w:en:E caudata|ę]] can represent both ae or oe); ::* ã, ẽ, õ, ũ are used to indicate [[:w:en:Scribal abbreviation|abbreviations]]. ::Personally I think it would be somewhat useful to implement the toggle feature only for æ and œ, since of all the ligatures they are the only ones that carry some meaning (that ae or oe in that word is a diphthong) and the only ones that easily show up in search results and correctly displayed in web-browsers. ::Note that both English and Italian wikisources in their transcription guidelines take in consideration the ability of both modern readers and search engines to correctly interpret the character shown (see [[:en:Wikisource:Style guide/Orthography]] and [[:it:Wikisource:Convenzioni di trascrizione]]). Though it would be useful to write rules specific to the Latin wikisource. ::I hope these considerations were of any help. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 07:58, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) ::In regards to the [[Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']] it would be appropriate to encode the text in a way that we do not lose your work of accurately transcribing the above characters, while still showing to the end user a normalized form. My edit was trying to achieve this with the templates currently in wikisource. ::From a technical standpoint, it would be useful to have a general template not specific to any character that could be used both in ''ad hoc'' situations, and in creating other templates. ::Also if such a template is created for abbreviations it should behave differently from the long s and ligatures, since 1) the text displayed is context dependent, and 2) it is common use in diplomatic transcriptions to show the abbreviated characters in parentheses (so I were taught in paleography class). ::To give an example of point 2 from the text ([[Pagina:Nicolaus_Machiavellus_De_Principe.pdf/69|page 45]], line 11): ::Original text: Iãq́ꝫ ::Diplomatic transcription: Ia(m)q(ue) ::Standard transcription: Iamque ::I’m sorry for the lengthy comments. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:02, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I agree something adhoc would be helpful. The template would need to specify :::* the text as-is and :::* the modernised version :::and hopefully there would be a system to pick up which to display. :::In terms of the display: this could be the js system, perhaps adapted, that we have on en.ws, or possibly it could be an adjustment to the page templates set up, to allow two different books, or sets of pages, to be presented. This would have the advantage that exports would facilitate both (IDK but suspect that exports support the default rather than user choice). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 15:48, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I have set out this information in a [[Usor:JimKillock/Orthography|table]] including information about dictionary lookups and likely search engine issues. In short, from a user perspective, all the characters can be problematic, but æ and œ work within Alpheios for dictionary lookups, so are a bit more tolerable than the others from a default perspective. However I think it is useful tobe able to see and use the originals for some people, eg those practicing reading Renaissance scans etc; or researchers or academics looking to use source texts. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:09, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|Alex brollo}}, {{ping|VIGNERON}}, {{ping|Candalua}} in case you can help. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:38, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] Interesting question. I'll take a look to the ensource template to understand how it works (I hope it is not based on javascript). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 06:18, 1 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I’m afraid it is based on javascript: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] :::To see the button you have to enable the [[:en:Help:Gadget-Visibility|Visibility gadget]]. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:12, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] checking in whether we can implement this, or find another solution. I am holding off further changes until I know how to proceed - but I am sure there should be a way to do this! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:40, 19 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::Noting this question comes up again at [[:Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] (I have [[Disputatio Libri:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|left a note there]]). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:08, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::OK, I have developed templates as this is holding up other people's work. I have based each template on the existing [[:formula:ls]], and avoid duplicating those that already exist using the same method at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]]. Meantime if anyone has further thoughts about using Visibility Gadget or going another way, I would be very grateful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:02, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] I have made a very basic template for flexible character switching at [[Formula:Scr]]; this returns the first entry on the book page, and the second in main space, eg <nowiki>{{scr|qꝫ|que}}</nowiki> would work the same as <nowiki>{{que}}</nowiki>. :::::However there is advice on ENWS not to use characters but use HTML entities for CSS reasons, so it is probably better for users to use specific templates. For example, I also created <nowiki>{{po}}</nowiki> which allows a user to decide what it might best represent, eg <nowiki>{{po|;}} or {{po|?}}</nowiki>. :::::In general, using set templates like <nowiki>{{que}}, {{em}}, {{um}}, {{etc}}</nowiki> is much easier for proofing, so I think I will continue to add these where it seems useful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:29, 24 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Hi folks, so that you know, I have made something of a workaround to be able to enable these features, which works well enough for me. I will perhaps add some guidance somewhere. What I have done: ::::::# Installed the font Garamontio, as it has the qꝫ character, and all the possible ligatures ::::::# Created custom css to apply Garamontio to Wikisource as a whole; at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.css]]; and ::::::# Created (vibecoded) custom javascript at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.js]] ::::::The second script looks for the various spans with the css style typographic-long-s, and replaces the characters as appropriate. This seems to work surprisingly well, Garamontio does all of the discretionary ligatures etc, and is a very well designed font (fork of EB Garamond, with some extra touches useful here). The issue is of course that this applies to the whole of Latin Wikisource all of the time. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:35, 25 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], reading this I wanted to tell you that you could apply styles to a index page, but I see you have already figured it out. Kudos on your progress. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 09:56, 9 Iulii 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Thanks @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]]; my list of scribal transformations has got quite long tho. And I need to check on the possible logic of it, some needs to hide and unhide, rather than search and replace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:27, 11 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == We will be enabling the new Charts extension on your wiki soon! == ''(Apologies for posting in English)'' Hi all! We have good news to share regarding the ongoing problem with graphs and charts affecting all wikis that use them. As you probably know, the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|old Graph extension]] was disabled in 2023 [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/EWL4AGBEZEDMNNFTM4FRD4MHOU3CVESO/|due to security reasons]]. We’ve worked in these two years to find a solution that could replace the old extension, and provide a safer and better solution to users who wanted to showcase graphs and charts in their articles. We therefore developed the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Charts extension]], which will be replacing the old Graph extension and potentially also the [[:mw:Extension:EasyTimeline|EasyTimeline extension]]. After successfully deploying the extension on Italian, Swedish, and Hebrew Wikipedia, as well as on MediaWiki.org, as part of a pilot phase, we are now happy to announce that we are moving forward with the next phase of deployment, which will also include your wiki. The deployment will happen in batches, and will start from '''May 6'''. Please, consult [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|our page on MediaWiki.org]] to discover when the new Charts extension will be deployed on your wiki. 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If you have any questions, you can ask on [[m:Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025|the discussion page for the election]]. -- in cooperation with the U4C, </div><section end="announcement-content" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User_talk:Keegan (WMF)|disputatio]])</bdi> 22:08, 15 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> ''(Apologies for posting in English, if this is not your first language)'' Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation. You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. 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The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats. The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4]. Here are the key planned dates: * May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6] * June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates * July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5] * August 2025: Campaign period * August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period * October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates * Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]]. '''Call for Questions''' In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]] '''Election Volunteers''' Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]] Thank you! [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results [2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter [3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024 [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates Best regards, Victoria Doronina Board Liaison to the Elections Committee Governance Committee<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 03:08, 28 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:RamzyM (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Administrator backlog? == Hi there, I am noticing a lot of pages that say that the current version is not checked; and versions I have amended are not (apparently) displayed because they need approval. Am I right in assuming this is due to a lack of (active) administrator time? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:53, 30 Maii 2025 (UTC) :Relatedly @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] / @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] / other admins, [[Colloquia familiaria]] has an old index page and other old sub pages which could do with changes being approved. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:58, 12 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::Ping on this, some of the sub pages are quite broken. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:42, 28 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :I have tried to fix the lack of text in ePub export for [[Noctes Atticae]]. :Unfortunately, it seems that all my submissions require approval (last approval seems to have taken place more than five years ago). :Is there any way to have <code>class="ws-export"</code> to the second <code>&lt;table&gt;</code> from [[Noctes Atticae]]? :Many thanks for your help, [[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 19:09, 15 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] Checking you know this is working now [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:21, 18 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Vote now in the 2025 U4C Election == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> Apologies for writing in English. {{Int:Please-translate}} Eligible voters are asked to participate in the 2025 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee]] election. 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Many of these works—some dating back decades or even centuries—offer fascinating insights into how memory has been understood, trained, and improved across different cultures and time periods. I've recently added a new section to the portal: "Multilingual Works on Mnemonic Techniques." This is in part because several of the English-language texts reference related works in other languages, particularly Latin. Unfortunately, many of these referenced works are written in Classical Latin, and my ability to work with them is quite limited—I’ve done what I can, but they remain largely inaccessible to me. If anyone has expertise in Classical Latin and might be willing to help with these texts, your assistance would be greatly appreciated. * ''[[:la:Foenix|Foenix]] by [[w:en:Peter of Ravenna|Peter of Ravenna]]'' (1491) * ''[[:la:Congestorium Artificiose Memorie|Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]'' by Johann Horst von Romberch (1533) [[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032259.jpg|150px]][[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032269.jpg|150px]] Here is a discussion form on it https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/johannes-romberchs-congestorium-artificiose-memorie/30174 Warm regards [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 23:15, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :Hi there, I could help proofing texts you have prepared perhaps? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:57, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :: Thanks for offering—I’d really appreciate your help with proofreading. :: We have two books. Which one would you like to start with? ::*[[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] ::*[[Liber:Congestorium artificiose memorie ... - V.P.F. Joa(n)nis Romberch de Kyrspe. Regularis obseruantie predicatorie- (IA hin-wel-all-00002875-001).pdf]] ::[[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 21:49, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I can do the pages you have put into the first, as a start for you. BTW the transcribed text does not always look like it originated from the source. It is very correct, but some has different orthography and missed certain parts. That is fine of course if we are correcting to the original. (PS: you might want to create a user account so that you can be notified of replies, hide your IP address, etc). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:57, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I had a go at the first page or two; some of the orthography was removed while other parts were kept. I kept all of it as a first go. See the discussion above about how we treat orthography, hopefully we can address this with templates. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:11, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::I'm using Google OCR and some AI tools to pull out text and sometimes translate it into English so I can understand it. If anyone could help me proofread or check it, I’d be super grateful! [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 00:50, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::I have added all the templates we need for the special characters / orthography, I will start doing the pages with those. The end result will be that on the main space ebook pages, the chars will toggle on and off, at least once that is properly implemented. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:25, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Noted, sounds good. I’ll try adding to the other pages next time. 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[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:14, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Sister Projects Task Force reviews Wikispore and Wikinews</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Dear Wikimedia Community, The [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee|Community Affairs Committee (CAC)]] of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees assigned [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Sister Projects Task Force|the Sister Projects Task Force (SPTF)]] to update and implement a procedure for assessing the lifecycle of Sister Projects – wiki [[m:Wikimedia projects|projects supported by Wikimedia Foundation (WMF)]]. A vision of relevant, accessible, and impactful free knowledge has always guided the Wikimedia Movement. As the ecosystem of Wikimedia projects continues to evolve, it is crucial that we periodically review existing projects to ensure they still align with our goals and community capacity. Despite their noble intent, some projects may no longer effectively serve their original purpose. '''Reviewing such projects is not about giving up – it's about responsible stewardship of shared resources'''. Volunteer time, staff support, infrastructure, and community attention are finite, and the non-technical costs tend to grow significantly as our ecosystem has entered a different age of the internet than the one we were founded in. Supporting inactive projects or projects that didn't meet our ambitions can unintentionally divert these resources from areas with more potential impact. Moreover, maintaining projects that no longer reflect the quality and reliability of the Wikimedia name stands for, involves a reputational risk. An abandoned or less reliable project affects trust in the Wikimedia movement. Lastly, '''failing to sunset or reimagine projects that are no longer working can make it much harder to start new ones'''. When the community feels bound to every past decision – no matter how outdated – we risk stagnation. A healthy ecosystem must allow for evolution, adaptation, and, when necessary, letting go. If we create the expectation that every project must exist indefinitely, we limit our ability to experiment and innovate. Because of this, SPTF reviewed two requests concerning the lifecycle of the Sister Projects to work through and demonstrate the review process. We chose Wikispore as a case study for a possible new Sister Project opening and Wikinews as a case study for a review of an existing project. Preliminary findings were discussed with the CAC, and a community consultation on both proposals was recommended. === Wikispore === The [[m:Wikispore|application to consider Wikispore]] was submitted in 2019. SPTF decided to review this request in more depth because rather than being concentrated on a specific topic, as most of the proposals for the new Sister Projects are, Wikispore has the potential to nurture multiple start-up Sister Projects. After careful consideration, the SPTF has decided '''not to recommend''' Wikispore as a Wikimedia Sister Project. Considering the current activity level, the current arrangement allows '''better flexibility''' and experimentation while WMF provides core infrastructural support. We acknowledge the initiative's potential and seek community input on what would constitute a sufficient level of activity and engagement to reconsider its status in the future. As part of the process, we shared the decision with the Wikispore community and invited one of its leaders, Pharos, to an SPTF meeting. Currently, we especially invite feedback on measurable criteria indicating the project's readiness, such as contributor numbers, content volume, and sustained community support. This would clarify the criteria sufficient for opening a new Sister Project, including possible future Wikispore re-application. However, the numbers will always be a guide because any number can be gamed. === Wikinews === We chose to review Wikinews among existing Sister Projects because it is the one for which we have observed the highest level of concern in multiple ways. Since the SPTF was convened in 2023, its members have asked for the community's opinions during conferences and community calls about Sister Projects that did not fulfil their promise in the Wikimedia movement.[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WCNA_2024._Sister_Projects_-_opening%3F_closing%3F_merging%3F_splitting%3F.pdf <nowiki>[1]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Sister_Projects_Task_Force#Wikimania_2023_session_%22Sister_Projects:_past,_present_and_the_glorious_future%22 <nowiki>[2]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[3]</nowiki>] Wikinews was the leading candidate for an evaluation because people from multiple language communities proposed it. Additionally, by most measures, it is the least active Sister Project, with the greatest drop in activity over the years. While the Language Committee routinely opens and closes language versions of the Sister Projects in small languages, there has never been a valid proposal to close Wikipedia in major languages or any project in English. This is not true for Wikinews, where there was a proposal to close English Wikinews, which gained some traction but did not result in any action[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_English_Wikinews <nowiki>[4]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[5]</nowiki>, see section 5] as well as a draft proposal to close all languages of Wikinews[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_closing_projects/Archive_2#Close_Wikinews_completely,_all_languages? <nowiki>[6]</nowiki>]. [[:c:File:Sister Projects Taskforce Wikinews review 2024.pdf|Initial metrics]] compiled by WMF staff also support the community's concerns about Wikinews. Based on this report, SPTF recommends a community reevaluation of Wikinews. We conclude that its current structure and activity levels are the lowest among the existing sister projects. SPTF also recommends pausing the opening of new language editions while the consultation runs. SPTF brings this analysis to a discussion and welcomes discussions of alternative outcomes, including potential restructuring efforts or integration with other Wikimedia initiatives. '''Options''' mentioned so far (which might be applied to just low-activity languages or all languages) include but are not limited to: *Restructure how Wikinews works and is linked to other current events efforts on the projects, *Merge the content of Wikinews into the relevant language Wikipedias, possibly in a new namespace, *Merge content into compatibly licensed external projects, *Archive Wikinews projects. Your insights and perspectives are invaluable in shaping the future of these projects. We encourage all interested community members to share their thoughts on the relevant discussion pages or through other designated feedback channels. === Feedback and next steps === We'd be grateful if you want to take part in a conversation on the future of these projects and the review process. We are setting up two different project pages: [[m:Public consultation about Wikispore|Public consultation about Wikispore]] and [[m:Public consultation about Wikinews|Public consultation about Wikinews]]. Please participate between 27 June 2025 and 27 July 2025, after which we will summarize the discussion to move forward. You can write in your own language. I will also host a community conversation 16th July Wednesday 11.00 UTC and 17th July Thursday 17.00 UTC (call links to follow shortly) and will be around at Wikimania for more discussions. <section end="message"/> </div> -- [[User:Victoria|Victoria]] on behalf of the Sister Project Task Force, 20:57, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Johan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Johan_(WMF)/Sister_project_MassMassage_on_behalf_of_Victoria/Target_list&oldid=28911188 --> == Latin incunabula and other early books == Expanding a bit on what I mentioned above, re character toggling, and also working on the books [[Foenix]] and [[Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae]] * the Transkribus Latin Incunabula scan does a great job on the heavy gothic style print * I will see how it does with more Garamond-style texts, in case it works with these * I have developed a fairly full set of templates for scribal characters, see [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] * I am thinking about using a bot to wholesale search and replace long s, and other scribal characters mapped there Between these things, the work to transcribe and correct early printed Latin books should be very much reduced. If anyone feels like helping test this out, do give me shout. Meantime I will run tests on Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae to check how well the bot system works. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:50, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :The folks at Wikisource helped create a JS solution for this, see [[Usor:JimKillock/incunabula.js]]. The script does a search and replace for what is needed, on the '''first save of a new book page'''; these are the settings for the Incunabula style section of [[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|this scan, p 52 onwards]] for [[Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]. It seems to work very well and is extremely labour saving! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 22:59, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == Navigation and validation == Hi there, I would like to do some work on navigation, to provide some "portal" pages similar to EN Wikisource. For example, this would help with learner texts a lot 9I often get asked how to find these texts, I point to the category pages, but these are very basic. I would also like to know what we should do about page validation. Some really necessary changes are currently languishing in the backlog. This is an admin only task: should we asking for more administrators, or is this something existing admins here can take on? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 14:08, 13 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :Hi {{U|JimKillock}} good idea, don't hesitate to start and/or ask for help. That said, I'm not sure to see why this is an admin task (even if, yes, the underlying point is true, we need more admins). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:31, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think the Portal namespace and some modules need setting up which require admin permissions, I will dig a bit further and come back to you. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Wikidata Item and Property labels soon displayed in Wiki Watchlist/Recent Changes == ''(Apologies for posting in English, you can help by translating into your language)'' Hello everyone, the [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects]] team is excited to announce an upcoming change in how Wikidata edit changelogs are displayed in your [[Special:Watchlist|Watchlists]] and [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]] lists. 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[[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 12:46, 14 Iulii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Danny Benjafield (WMDE)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)/MassMessage_Test_List&oldid=28981877 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr"> Upcoming Deployment of the CampaignEvents Extension</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Hello everyone, ''(Apologies for posting in English if English is not your first language. Please help translate to your language.)'' The Campaigns Product Team is planning a global deployment of the '''[[:mw:Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]]''' to all Wikisource, including this Wikisource, during the '''week of August 25th'''. This extension is designed to help organizers plan and manage events, WikiProjects, and other on-wiki collaborations - and to make these efforts more discoverable. The three main features of this extension are: * '''[[:m:Event_Center/Registration|Event Registration]]''': A simple way to sign up for events on the wiki. * '''[[:m:CampaignEvents/Collaboration_list|Collaboration List]]''': A global list of events and a local list of WikiProjects, accessible at '''[[:m:Special:AllEvents|Special:AllEvents]]'''. * '''[[:m:Campaigns/Foundation_Product_Team/Invitation_list|Invitation Lists]]''': A tool to help organizers find editors who might want to join, based on their past contributions. '''Note''': The extension comes with a new user right called '''"Event Organizer"''', which will be managed by administrators on this Wikisource. Organizer tools like Event Registration and Invitation Lists will only work if someone is granted this right. The Collaboration List is available to everyone immediately after deployment. The extension is already live on several wikis, including '''all Wikipedia, Meta, Wikidata''', and more ( [[m:CampaignEvents/Deployment_status#Current_Deployment_Status_for_CampaignEvents_extension| See the full deployment list]]) If you have any questions, concerns, or feedback, please feel free to share them on the [[m:Talk:CampaignEvents| extension talkpage]]. We’d love to hear from you before the rollout. Thank you! <section end="message"/> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:Udehb-WMF|Udehb-WMF]] ([[User talk:Udehb-WMF|disputatio]]) 15:40, 31 Iulii 2025 (UTC)</bdi> <!-- Message sent by User:Udehb-WMF@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Udehb-WMF/sandbox/MM_target_Wikisource&oldid=29066664 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Temporary accounts will be rolled out soon</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="body"/> Hello, we are the Wikimedia Foundation [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity|Product Safety and Integrity]] team. We would like to announce that '''we plan to enable [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] for this wiki in the week of September 1'''. Temporary accounts are successfully live on 30 wikis, including many large ones like German, Japanese, and French. The change they bring is especially relevant to logged-out editors, who this feature is designed to protect. But it is also relevant to community members like mentors, patrollers, and admins – anyone who reverts edits, blocks users, or otherwise interacts with logged-out editors as part of keeping the wikis safe and accurate. '''Why we are building temporary accounts''' Our wikis should be safer to edit by default for logged-out editors. Temporary accounts allow people to continue editing the wikis without creating an account, while avoiding publicly tying their edits to their IP address. We believe this is in the best interest of our logged-out editors, who make valuable contributions to the wikis and who may later create accounts and grow our community of editors, admins, and other roles. Even though the wikis do warn logged-out editors that their IP address will be associated with their edit, many people may not understand what an IP address is, or that it could be used to connect them to other information about them in ways they might not expect. Additionally, our moderation software and tools rely too heavily on network origin (IP addresses) to identify users and patterns of activity, especially as IP addresses themselves are becoming less stable as identifiers. Temporary accounts allow for more precise interactions with logged-out editors, including more precise blocks, and can help limit how often we unintentionally end up blocking good-faith users who use the same IP addresses as bad-faith users. 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In comparison, an IP address can be shared with different devices and people (for example, different people at school or at work might have the same IP address). * Compared to the current situation, it will be safer to assume that a temporary user's talk page belongs to only one person, and messages left there will be read by them. As you can see in the screenshot, temporary account users will receive notifications. It will also be possible to thank them for their edits, ping them in discussions, and invite them to get more involved in the community. 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Thank you!<section end="body" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:user:NKohli (WMF)|NKohli (WMF)]], [[m:user:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]]</bdi> 21:36, 26 Augusti 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Quiddity_(WMF)/sandbox6&oldid=29181713 --> == All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae == I was looking for templates/formulae by looking at <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> All pages in [[Liber:Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Many (all?) pages in [[Liber:Gallia Christiana, 1715, T1.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki>, like article [[Gallia Christiana 1715 01/Epistola2]] These all use [[Formula:Sidenotes begin]]. There is one "[https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&oldid=79709&diff=cur pending change]" on this template. But that change puts the category outside the noinclude. ::<nowiki></noinclude></nowiki> ::<nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Please either reject the change or move the categoria line. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 04:17, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], I don't think anyone from the admins is monitoring or actioning pending changes currently. (see discussions re admin queues above.) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 05:29, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Shenme}} {{done}} I excluded the categories. {{ping|JimKillock}} no blame but be careful next time, categories should always be excluded. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:28, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|VIGNERON}} It wasn't @JimKillock who made [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&diff=next&oldid=79709 the problematic change], but someone else [[Usor:Ceciliawolf]]. I noticed the problem, he included the problem a list that got your attention. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 02:46, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Shenme}} yes, but [[Special:Diff/236794]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 06:57, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Request for admin status == Hi all, given that we have quite a lot of admin requests (mostly relating to "pending" changes), I would like to request administrator status so that some of these can be cleared. If anyone else wants to step up to help out, that would also be welcome. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:23, 1 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Ping to @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], @[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]]:, @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]]:, @[[Usor:Candalua|Candalua]]: in case you feel able to support my request. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:57, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Hi {{U|JimKillock}}, ::I apparently missed it, where do we have « a lot of admin requests » ? ::That said, one more admin is always good, so create the request and I'll support it. ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:34, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::Hi @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]], :::Thank you! On the admin requests, on this page, here are these :::* [[#All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae]] :::* [[#It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace]] (which you have replied to) :::* [[#Navigation and validation]] :::* [[#Administrator backlog?]] :::* [[#Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s)]] (altho this has been worked around and may not be needed) :::Most of these relate to the ''Pending changes'' backlog in various ways; two are requests for new features / modules to be ported across. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks, I see. It doesn't look like a lot to me, I'll try to deal with it today. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:27, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thank you @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] :) You could also take a look at the pending changes on [[Formula:Pagina_prima/Novae_Aetatis]] and [[Moriae encomium]]. The really big job is going through [[Specialis:PendingChanges|pending changes]] altogether - I understand there is a five year backlog. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:36, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::I see... I had a quick look and all changes seem good. Do we even need this extension on Wikisource? Also, if we keep it, I guess we need more reviewers rather than admins (more admins would be useful too, but that's a separate point). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 10:35, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Of course, the request needs to be supported; without active administrators it is very inconvenient. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:21, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::What do you need us to do? BTW, it would be great to know why edits require administrator approvals. Sorry, but I‘m afraid this makes contributing almost pointless. Many thanks for your help, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 14:15, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::So there are two reasons it would be helpful for me to be an admin; one is if we carry on with the approval system (it looks like we will not) and the other is around updating or adding certain components, modules for example. There may be other tasks I am not aware of that I could help with, but these are the ones I know about. Implementing Portal pages for example needs some work by an admin AIUI. :::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] your question re edits needing approval is [[#Do_we_need_to_approve_changes_to_pages|addressed below, here]]. :::In terms of what you / others need to do, it seems that if there is a consensus to allow me administrator permissions, then a bueaucrat user would implement it (I mistakenly opening a request at meta, and they referred me back here); so we just need to have your views, yes, no, maybe, etc. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:01, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::The page [[Vicifons:Magistratus]], intended for promotion, seems to be protected; I couldn't edit it (''petitio grapheocrat'''ae''''') and add a category ([[:Categoria:Usores]]). [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:23, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thanks, it seems editable now so I [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Petitio_magistratus|added my request there]], if anyone wants to support it. Regarding ''grapheocrates -ae'', how is this declined? Is it otherwise treated as a masculine first declension? Thinking it ought to be added to Wiktionary as it is missing from there. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:00, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::This is [https://archive.org/details/calepinusnovus2002/calepinusnovus2002-french-latin/page/n23/mode/1up?q=grapheocrates from Licoppe and Eichenseer]. Yes, this can be added to Wiktionary, I have no experience editing there. Thanks for the corrections, today the system let me in, but yesterday for some unknown reason it didn’t let me in. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:53, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::Thank you and no problem. I can add to Wiktionary I hope; is the plural therefore ''grapheocratae''; and is the singular ''grapheocrates'' or ''grapheocrata''? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:14, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Yes, of course. They took the Modern Greek word γραφειοκράτης. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:41, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::::Great, after a bit of struggle that is at [[:en:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] and [[:la:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:43, 7 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace == It would require someone with interface admin status to create [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index data config.json]] to replace the current index form parameters ([[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index attributes|very old system]]) with special care to not mass delete information by unadvertedly changing some parameter's name. [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config.json Example from the English Wikisource]. If someone wants to help, please contact me. Regards! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 02:10, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]], potentially - if I have admin status :) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:54, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Ignacio Rodríguez}} I did a test (by copy-pasting the English page), it works, so no need to be interface admin, being admin is enough. ::I only half understand that paramater page, could you give me the actual content expected ? ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:38, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::I don't remember all the details but I worked on that page in the Spanish Wikisource almost a decade ago. I'll make a mockup in the talk page, but I can't promise to get all the Latin words right. For ease, parameter names and help tooltips will be in English internally, but they will show in Latin in the form. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::This was added and it now works perfectly. Thanks! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:25, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Do we need to approve changes to pages == Hi all, Moving the discussion regarding the backlog at [[Specialis:PendingChanges]]: @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] asks whether we need to have this feature. I suspect it was switched on because of spam, vandalism, or some other similar issue. Without it we might need to be keeping an eye on recent changes. I am not sure how the proteccted changes permissions works, or whether permissions to make approvals to changes can be delegated more widely. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Changes to pages affecting project *function* must be controlled. But it seems that Pending Changes doesn't actually stop changes to something like a template/formula from having effect? See my report about <nowiki>Formula:Sidenotes begin</nowiki> above. :And checking a couple of the other initial items in [[Specialis:PendingChanges]], it seems that all pending changes are actually immediately applied to active, visible pages. :So Pending Changes <u>does not prevent damage</u> to the project. It is <u>merely a tracking and notification method?</u> :That can be useful, but requires a set of people to be change reviewers. And changes to subject matter would seem to require reviewers knowledgeable about the subject? :And when changes affect *function*, like templates, who can review and approve those? I'd think only admins. :The link to monitoring Recent Changes is undeniable. I monitor Recent Changes often at Spanish Wikisource because I've seen the random damage people can do. That is the only way to react quickly to damage. (?) But then that assumes people are checking lists frequently, at least daily. :Neither Pending Changes or monitoring Recent Changes prevent damage. They can be only part of a solution to damage. I don't know what to think about Pending Changes ''in isolation''. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 03:48, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} I've got mainly two points : ::* vandlism is low to inexistant on la.ws (and it's already low on most Wikisources), making this extension useless and even problematic. Because it doesn't prevent changes but it prevents them to be effective. ::** Apparently the reason to install is [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_VII#protection_of_completed_works_-_Flagged_Revisions_as_an_alternative?]] ::* this extension is actually caleld [[mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs]] and it's deprecated for years (see [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_XI#Futrue_of_FlaggedRevs_(Pending_Changes)_extension]] or the warning on the extension itself « Flagged Revisions is complex, poorly documented, very clunky, and not recommended for production use »). Also, people on Wikisource don't seem to really master or even using it (including the reviewers rights). Maybe it's aan opportunity to list exactly what we need and find a new extension that fit these needs. ::In the end, I see a lot of cons and only a few pros... ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:35, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :I haven't seen any vandalism here in years. But if you fix the errors, the "Pending Changes" status means that the fixes will only be visible to registered users. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:10, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} many thanks for your replies. I must admit that I’m an occasional Wikisource (or even Wikipedia contributor). I essentially (or exclusively) contribute corrections. :Some days ago, I wanted to download an ePub file for the [[Noctes Atticae]] (to do some regexp searches), but the export was wrong. I tried to modify the code (which I have done successfully for the Greek Wikisource many times) and I found out that I needed a ''nihil obstat'' (I’m afraid this would be way to name it). :Of course, I’m the least interested in vandalism (either contributing it myself, or being any collaborative project being infested/polluted by it). But I think there should be a way of distinguishing between vandalism and non-hardcore (or occasional) contributors. :I don’t know any perfect system, but it should be worth considering a mixed approach. Approval could be required for: already flagged users (for vandalism) and recent users (how about a five-year publishing embargo?). :Only to mention a case, my [https://el.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Συμπόσιον_(Πλάτων)&diff=prev&oldid=49677 first contribution to the Greek Wiksource] was in 2012. I don’t know for how long I have been registered in Wikimedia (I guess this was before 2010). :This isn’t about myself, the issue here is that Wikisource needs contributions to even exist (not to mention for its growth). If no regular user is allowed to contribute without approval, cooperation is basically non-existing. :Even with approval, the reply times are incredibly slow (because of the system). It is not that attention spans are getting shorter, time is the most scarce resource we all are (and I don’t have weeks or months to see whether I’m allowed to have [[Noctes Atticae]] as ePub). :Sorry, the sentence in parentheses isn’t a complaint. Please, do as you please, but my contribution is: consider that you might be making contributions way harder, project growth way slower and administrators’ roles way more complicated (probably, than they could and should be). :Many thanks for your help and your project, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 17:15, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think there is consensus we can switch this off. Let me know if I can help in any way if you think it's time to switch it off. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:25, 4 Octobris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks for the reminder and agreed for removal, so I created a task on Phabricator here : [[Phab:T406424]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:42, 5 Octobris 2025 (UTC) ::::Thanks for filing this @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] , the Wikimedia tech team seem to have finished their work on this now! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:16, 18 Octobris 2025 (UTC) == Index page error "Error: Invalid interval" == I am getting an error: at [[:Liber:Nos in schola latine loquimur - Ars latine loquendi.pdf]] "Error: Invalid interval" for the paginae listing; even when set to <code><nowiki><pagelist 1=1 /></nowiki></code>. Any clues appreciated! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:48, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :This might be the infamous "0x0 bug" that has plagued Wikisource for two? three? years. Normally it resolves doing a purge in both the file page in Commons and in the local Wikisource. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 19:34, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Thanks, that seems to b working now. 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We think it may be necessary to use a special / embedded font to do this, as I think was meant for <nowiki>{{blackletter}}</nowiki> ({{blackletter|exempli gratia}}; see [[Formula:Blackletter/styles.css]], although this does not seem to be calling a font at the moment). Does anyone have any advice about how we would add a webfont to LAWS's CSS, particularly for ℣ and ℟ ; or if there is a way to use an existing webfont with these characters that might be available to us? (Or if there is some other workable solution). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:58, 24 Octobris 2025 (UTC) == Vandalismus == Vidi nuper nonnihil vandalismi, qualis in [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Veni,_Veni_Emmanuel!&curid=12961&diff=244803&oldid=244791 hoc] et [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Old_Testament_(Vulgate)/Hieremias_propheta&action=history illo] apparuit. 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Appropriate for here? == What is going on here? * [[Scriptor:Coronus_Tenebrosius]] * [[Contemplationes_Metaphysicae]] * [[Puteus_Chaosi]] * [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius]] No statement of copyright. No proof of authorship. paginae vanitatis ? [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 08:24, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Cum iure auctoris problemata non habebimus, si auctor ipse opera exponit. Et si delere consilium capiemus, [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Saumache|magistratus non habemus]], qui hoc faciant. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:37, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :<blockquote>'''Salvete.''' '''Nomen meum est Krunoslav Mrkoci, et ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' est interpretatio nominis mei in linguam Latinam, id est identitas mea Latina.''' '''Confirmo me ipsum auctorem esse omnium operum hic editorum. Opera primum Croatice scripta sunt, hic autem in versione Latina proposita.''' 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'''Coronus Tenebrosius'''.</blockquote> [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius|Coronus Tenebrosius]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Coronus Tenebrosius|disputatio]]) 12:23, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) == Copying some templates from the English Wikisource == Hello, Would someone please be able to help me get [[s:en:Template:ppoem|en:Template:ppoem]], [[s:en:blackletter|en:blackletter]], [[s:en:Template:he|en:Template:he]], and [[s:en:Template:grc|en:Template:grc]] available to use on this Wikisource, so I can utilize them here? For the blackletter, I've tried [[Formula:Gothica|Gothica]], but that doesn't seem to be rendering properly. Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 00:04, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] I made the shortcut for [[Formula:Graeca]]. You should not need any administror rights to do anything you need, I'll take a look into it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 09:46, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Blackletter is already here, [[:Formula:Gothica]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:57, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Hi! @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]], thanks! Just for clarification, do I need to make the template pages in Latin, or is it alright to copy them in English? Also, @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], I mentioned this above, but for some reason, the Gothica template isn't working for me. See [[Pagina:Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf/15]], for example. Any idea why that might be the case? [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 16:16, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] This wiki lacks proper guidelines and recommendations, I would prefer if you translated the template's name, e.g., [[Formula:spatium]] rather than [[Formula:spatio]] but given the international nature of the project (nobody's mother tongue is Latin) best practice should be to add translated names as shortcuts/redirects. Beware adding templates that are already on the wiki under a different name ([[Formula:grc]] was already at [[Formula:Graeca]]). I took a quick look and it seems the fonts used by the blackletter template are not installed on the wiki; the same template does not seem to work on the French Wikisource either. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 17:40, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::Maybe we have sufficient powers to add the fonts now? Or we can ask someone with additional permissions to do so. But yes I remember now this has been a long standing problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:54, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::[https://yaytext.com/fraktur/ This converter] 𝔠𝔬𝔫𝔳𝔢𝔯𝔱𝔰 𝔩𝔢𝔱𝔱𝔢𝔯𝔰 𝔱𝔬 𝔉𝔯𝔞𝔨𝔱𝔲𝔯 (because it exists in Unicode as separate characters). <s>However, I'm not sure if such text can be found using a regular search.</s> No, Wikipedia search finds it. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:48, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::I looked into using the converter, but I'm running into the issue of lack of compatibility with {{[[Formula:Ls|Ls]]}}. Would it be better to just wait for the font to be added? Do we have any idea when that will happen/who needs to be contacted for that to happen? ::::Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 19:34, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::::These Unicode characters don't feel right on my labtop, they have heigth issues among other things. I went and asked on two different wikis about the fonts, I will come back to you when I get some answers. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 19:41, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :[[Formula:Poema recte formatum]] or [[Formula:Ppoem]] now work, altho there's issues with the documentation page. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:52, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 21:20, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{tl|blackletter}} was not working for me, even after locally installing UnifrakturMaguntia from Google fonts, until I restarted my web browser, which also followed my rebooting. Also, it can't be just any gothic/blackletter font, but must be one of these Fraktur fonts: UnifrakturMaguntia UnifrakturCook Unifraktur. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 21:19, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{ping|Demetrius Talpa|JimKillock|Erblanchard57}} Fonts are downloaded locally, you need to go to Modi/Praeferentiae > Proprietates > Sermonis delectus > Plura > Scripturae and toggle "Download fonts when needed". The option seems not to be that easy to toggle on by default. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 10:56, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, great. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:09, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you very much! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 15:57, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::English WS seems to pull the font in from a repository. I've copied over the module ULS, css etc, would be good to know if it has made any difference. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::{{blackletter|fraktur}} etc [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I just deactivated the "download fonts when needed" option for a second to see if it would work without it, and it still doesn't. 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Every page now has the "Proofread" status, except that a few are also "Validated". I expect it will take quite a while before the whole book gets that second read, if it ever will. My question: is it already acceptable to transclude the text into the main namespace at this stage, even though most pages are only single-proofread rather than validated? Or is there a convention on this Wikisource that a work should be fully validated before merging onto the mainspace? Gratias vobis ago pro consiliis vestris. [[Usor:Sakvaka|Sakvaka]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Sakvaka|disputatio]]) 09:16, 25 Iulii 2026 (UTC) :Of course, this is acceptable; the texts there are of very different quality. Besides, transclusion slightly increases the chances that someone will find it for re-examination. 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Pittacium idcirco e pagina detraxi. --[[Usor:Grufo|Grufo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Grufo|disputatio]]) 20:50, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Nam eaedem quidem editiones sunt, quibusdam minusculis in maiusculas versis litteris formaque apostropharum solum differunt. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 21:08, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default == Hi @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] and others, I noticed that [[:Formula:Littera s longa]] has been changed so that <nowiki>{{s}}</nowiki> produces ſ rather than s by default. This is in contrast to for example English Wikipedia which allows it as a user option, but assumes it is "s" by default. For other formulae, eg {{um}}, {{us}}, {{que}}, etc these are "off" by default. Likewise {{ae}}, {{oe}} I believe are off by default currently. There various ways that this can work, for example: * we could provide a user switch for either state per symbol, etc (with JS, as per EN.WS) * we can provide advice about applying fonts, etc, that can set ſ, ae/oe ligatures, etc, through css preferences * CSS can specify some of this per book (not all ligatures, eg {{que}} can be applied through CSS, and it depends on installed fonts in some cases) * we ''might'' be able to apply a default javascript switch behaviour per book rather than sitewide I don't have a massive preference for s over ſ, or ae / oe over or æ / œ ; but we should I think at least allow users to easily switch, especially re ſ if it is the default. Just throwing it out there for discussion, to see what the general feeling / preference would be. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:40, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :I lacked the rights to have it be toggled on and off through a gadget, we should ask interface administrators to do it, that should be the best way about it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 22:45, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] Take a look to itwikisource gadget "memoRegex". It allows to save and share nsIntex-specific, customable sets of regex or plain substitutions, and it has been recently refined by @Candalua (a great job!). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 10:39, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Portal pages == Hi all, I'd like to suggest we create a few "Portal" pages for some key topics, so we can detail what is good and why rather than just provide category pages. There's a need for a page for introductory Latin, for example, which could explain levels of suitability of texts. See also [[#Navigation and validation]] above To do this, we need community consensus to add a namespace, and then, it is done through a request at Phabricator. The namespace would define what this group of pages were called eg [[Portus:Index]] and also the name of the "Disputatio" (discussion) pages. Please let me know if you agree with this proposal or not, so we can demonstrate consensus for the change to be made. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:50, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :cc @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]]@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:12, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::I consent to the proposal, though I am not sure about the translation 'Portus'. I think that 'Aditus' would better suit this usecase, since from portals users will be able to 'adire' the relevant pages. P.S. Out of curiosity I have checked the dictionary of A. Perugini, and he translates 'portale' as 'porta principalis. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:31, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Ok, sure (regardless, the Vicifons namespace could be used meanwhile to do some testing for the content). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 12:25, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::Ok (even if I'm a inactive admin... :-( ) [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 12:55, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::I totatlly agree! - [[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:OrbiliusMagister|disputatio]]) 13:28, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] By the way, it would be nice if you could [[Vicifons:Scriptorium#Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default|check this out]]! [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 20:53, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Wikiversity was originally intended for educational purposes. But a portal can be created here too. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:00, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I think it would be best to take inspiration from [[:w:la]], at least for the vocabulary. This would: :* provide a vocabulary and structure people may be well acquainted with already :* facilitate our work, not having to find the proper terms for ourselves :* have some sort of continuity between Latin projects :I had started doing this for documentation templates, as they where copied as is from [[:en:Wikisource]]. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 20:50, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::Sure, what do you mean in practice? Does W:la have a phrase for Portal? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 21:29, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::I must say I don't really understand what you precisely intend to put on these pages and why they could not be of the Vicifons namespace. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 00:35, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::It's probably done on En:ws so that search works across portals and mainspace pages but not advice pages; or that search in advice pages does not include results from mainspace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:37, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::Here are some ideas for core pages, following nomenclature used by [[:w:la]] and [[:en:Wikisource]] (names are not definite): :::::* [[Vicifons:De stilo]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Style guide]]) including: titles and their capitalization, use of Roman/Arabic numerals, use of classifiers before numbers (liber, carmen, etc.); regularization of spelling (in non-facsimile pages), anchors, etc. :::::* [[Vicifons:Qualitas paginarum]] :::::* [[Vicifons:De categoriis]] :::::* [[Vicifons:De fontibus]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Sources]]) about how and where, or how not and where not, to find good sources, the fact that most pages don't have sources or are copied from bad sources, e.g., The Latin Library, how to recify this, etc. :::::And help pages: :::::* [[Auxilium:De digitizationem textorum imaginumque ad usum Vicifontis]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Help:Digitising texts and images for Wikisource]]) :::::* etc. :::::I'd be happy to batch something for [[Vicifons:De stilo]], as I think it is really needed. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 13:01, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::I agree, a style guide is badly needed. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:20, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I have sketched something up in my [[Usor:Saumache/Pagina cerata|sandbox]], rules are based on common practices of this wiki and personal preferences, please add rules, comments, sections, etc. without removing anything for the moment: we may discuss any of it on a dedicated discussion page. If my process isn't right and you think or know we sould do this some other way, please tell me. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 16:06, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Quae hucusque scripsisti, mihi bona videntur. Just a minor thing: the slash at the end of the link should not be included: it should be <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I]]</nowiki></code> and not <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>. The rules 'de titulis paginarum' will be particularly useful for the classical works on Wikisource, since they are a mess in this regard. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:25, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::This mostly looks good to me, although I would emphasise keeping to the orthography, numbering style, of the original texts. We are a source project after all. Variance across transcriptions is fine, but changing the source style to a project style should be kept to the minimum. All that said, in my view it's also OK to allow variances per transcription project, not least as they can be copied and re-done as people wish. ::::::::I very much agree about encouraging people to use good sources, and preferably to link them via a transcription process so they can be verified. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:11, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::On Vicipaedia portals are simply combined [[:w:la:Categoria:Portae|into a category]]; it is not necessary to ask the Phabricator. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 08:19, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::<small>The link you have sent is actually a category of pages about city gates (lat. ''portae''). Though,</small> It is true that we can still write portal pages without a dedicated namespace, and just group them with templates and categories. For example on German wikisource there is no author namespace, they just have an [[:de:Kategorie:Autoren|'author' category]]. It is an idea that is worth considering. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:38, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::We [[:w:la:Categoria:Portae Vicipaedianae|renamed it]] yesterday. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 16:57, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) 8x1360peayspf2b6ky7qdhwakf4chbc 276979 276978 2026-08-22T20:20:08Z JimKillock 19003 /* Portal pages */ Reply 276979 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ <!--- __NOTOC__ --->[[Categoria:Vicifons|Scriptorium]] {{Intraincepti |w= Vicipaedia:Taberna |q= Vicicitatio:Taberna |commons: <!-- Communia --> |b= Vicilibri:Porta Communis |wikt= Victionarium:Taberna |m= <!-- Meta --> |wikispecies= <!-- Vicispecies --> |n= <!-- Vicinuntii --> }} <div class="toccolours" style="text-align:center; font-size:14pt; background:#eef; color:navy; "> Hac pagina scriptorium Vicifontis est.<br /> <small><small>Nunc iam sunt '''{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}''' paginae. 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In cooperation with the U4C -- <section end="announcement-content" /> </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 03:41, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)</div> <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s) == On EN wikisource, they have a template <nowiki>{{longs}}</nowiki> to produce ''ſ'' on the transcription page, and by default, ''s'' on the ebook page. users on EN WS can toggle these on and off. In this book, [[:la:Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']], there are a number of unusual characters that could do with toggling: ''ſ (s); ß (ss); ẽ (en / em) ũ (un / um) æ (ae) ę (ae) õ (on / om) ã (an / am) œ (oe)''. ([[:formula:ls]] already exists here for ſ, and some other characters semi-implemented at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] but the toggling is not switched on.) In order to implement this: (1) What would LA WiCategoria:Formulae litterarumkisource need to enable for user toggling of special characters? (2) Who would I contact (assuming this is an admin task)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:06, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :It looks like it would need this installing, as a start: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js|MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:13, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|OrbiliusMagister}} as the only active magister! --[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:16, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|SZC 03}} in case you have an opinion (you made changes at the De Pricipia transcription project which we could implement better with this toggle feature). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:31, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::I would like to point out that not all of the listed characters are of the same kind: ::* ſ is a variant of s; ::* ß, æ and œ are [[:w:en:Ligature (writing)|ligatures]] of ſs, ae and oe respectively ([[:w:en:E caudata|ę]] can represent both ae or oe); ::* ã, ẽ, õ, ũ are used to indicate [[:w:en:Scribal abbreviation|abbreviations]]. ::Personally I think it would be somewhat useful to implement the toggle feature only for æ and œ, since of all the ligatures they are the only ones that carry some meaning (that ae or oe in that word is a diphthong) and the only ones that easily show up in search results and correctly displayed in web-browsers. ::Note that both English and Italian wikisources in their transcription guidelines take in consideration the ability of both modern readers and search engines to correctly interpret the character shown (see [[:en:Wikisource:Style guide/Orthography]] and [[:it:Wikisource:Convenzioni di trascrizione]]). Though it would be useful to write rules specific to the Latin wikisource. ::I hope these considerations were of any help. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 07:58, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) ::In regards to the [[Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']] it would be appropriate to encode the text in a way that we do not lose your work of accurately transcribing the above characters, while still showing to the end user a normalized form. My edit was trying to achieve this with the templates currently in wikisource. ::From a technical standpoint, it would be useful to have a general template not specific to any character that could be used both in ''ad hoc'' situations, and in creating other templates. ::Also if such a template is created for abbreviations it should behave differently from the long s and ligatures, since 1) the text displayed is context dependent, and 2) it is common use in diplomatic transcriptions to show the abbreviated characters in parentheses (so I were taught in paleography class). ::To give an example of point 2 from the text ([[Pagina:Nicolaus_Machiavellus_De_Principe.pdf/69|page 45]], line 11): ::Original text: Iãq́ꝫ ::Diplomatic transcription: Ia(m)q(ue) ::Standard transcription: Iamque ::I’m sorry for the lengthy comments. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:02, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I agree something adhoc would be helpful. The template would need to specify :::* the text as-is and :::* the modernised version :::and hopefully there would be a system to pick up which to display. :::In terms of the display: this could be the js system, perhaps adapted, that we have on en.ws, or possibly it could be an adjustment to the page templates set up, to allow two different books, or sets of pages, to be presented. This would have the advantage that exports would facilitate both (IDK but suspect that exports support the default rather than user choice). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 15:48, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I have set out this information in a [[Usor:JimKillock/Orthography|table]] including information about dictionary lookups and likely search engine issues. In short, from a user perspective, all the characters can be problematic, but æ and œ work within Alpheios for dictionary lookups, so are a bit more tolerable than the others from a default perspective. However I think it is useful tobe able to see and use the originals for some people, eg those practicing reading Renaissance scans etc; or researchers or academics looking to use source texts. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:09, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|Alex brollo}}, {{ping|VIGNERON}}, {{ping|Candalua}} in case you can help. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:38, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] Interesting question. I'll take a look to the ensource template to understand how it works (I hope it is not based on javascript). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 06:18, 1 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I’m afraid it is based on javascript: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] :::To see the button you have to enable the [[:en:Help:Gadget-Visibility|Visibility gadget]]. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:12, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] checking in whether we can implement this, or find another solution. I am holding off further changes until I know how to proceed - but I am sure there should be a way to do this! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:40, 19 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::Noting this question comes up again at [[:Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] (I have [[Disputatio Libri:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|left a note there]]). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:08, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::OK, I have developed templates as this is holding up other people's work. I have based each template on the existing [[:formula:ls]], and avoid duplicating those that already exist using the same method at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]]. Meantime if anyone has further thoughts about using Visibility Gadget or going another way, I would be very grateful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:02, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] I have made a very basic template for flexible character switching at [[Formula:Scr]]; this returns the first entry on the book page, and the second in main space, eg <nowiki>{{scr|qꝫ|que}}</nowiki> would work the same as <nowiki>{{que}}</nowiki>. :::::However there is advice on ENWS not to use characters but use HTML entities for CSS reasons, so it is probably better for users to use specific templates. For example, I also created <nowiki>{{po}}</nowiki> which allows a user to decide what it might best represent, eg <nowiki>{{po|;}} or {{po|?}}</nowiki>. :::::In general, using set templates like <nowiki>{{que}}, {{em}}, {{um}}, {{etc}}</nowiki> is much easier for proofing, so I think I will continue to add these where it seems useful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:29, 24 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Hi folks, so that you know, I have made something of a workaround to be able to enable these features, which works well enough for me. I will perhaps add some guidance somewhere. What I have done: ::::::# Installed the font Garamontio, as it has the qꝫ character, and all the possible ligatures ::::::# Created custom css to apply Garamontio to Wikisource as a whole; at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.css]]; and ::::::# Created (vibecoded) custom javascript at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.js]] ::::::The second script looks for the various spans with the css style typographic-long-s, and replaces the characters as appropriate. This seems to work surprisingly well, Garamontio does all of the discretionary ligatures etc, and is a very well designed font (fork of EB Garamond, with some extra touches useful here). The issue is of course that this applies to the whole of Latin Wikisource all of the time. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:35, 25 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], reading this I wanted to tell you that you could apply styles to a index page, but I see you have already figured it out. Kudos on your progress. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 09:56, 9 Iulii 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Thanks @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]]; my list of scribal transformations has got quite long tho. And I need to check on the possible logic of it, some needs to hide and unhide, rather than search and replace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:27, 11 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == We will be enabling the new Charts extension on your wiki soon! == ''(Apologies for posting in English)'' Hi all! We have good news to share regarding the ongoing problem with graphs and charts affecting all wikis that use them. As you probably know, the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|old Graph extension]] was disabled in 2023 [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/EWL4AGBEZEDMNNFTM4FRD4MHOU3CVESO/|due to security reasons]]. 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If you have any questions, you can ask on [[m:Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025|the discussion page for the election]]. -- in cooperation with the U4C, </div><section end="announcement-content" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User_talk:Keegan (WMF)|disputatio]])</bdi> 22:08, 15 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> ''(Apologies for posting in English, if this is not your first language)'' Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation. You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. 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[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results [2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter [3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024 [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates Best regards, Victoria Doronina Board Liaison to the Elections Committee Governance Committee<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 03:08, 28 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:RamzyM (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Administrator backlog? == Hi there, I am noticing a lot of pages that say that the current version is not checked; and versions I have amended are not (apparently) displayed because they need approval. Am I right in assuming this is due to a lack of (active) administrator time? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:53, 30 Maii 2025 (UTC) :Relatedly @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] / @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] / other admins, [[Colloquia familiaria]] has an old index page and other old sub pages which could do with changes being approved. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:58, 12 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::Ping on this, some of the sub pages are quite broken. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:42, 28 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :I have tried to fix the lack of text in ePub export for [[Noctes Atticae]]. :Unfortunately, it seems that all my submissions require approval (last approval seems to have taken place more than five years ago). :Is there any way to have <code>class="ws-export"</code> to the second <code>&lt;table&gt;</code> from [[Noctes Atticae]]? :Many thanks for your help, [[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 19:09, 15 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] Checking you know this is working now [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:21, 18 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Vote now in the 2025 U4C Election == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> Apologies for writing in English. {{Int:Please-translate}} Eligible voters are asked to participate in the 2025 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee]] election. 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Many of these works—some dating back decades or even centuries—offer fascinating insights into how memory has been understood, trained, and improved across different cultures and time periods. I've recently added a new section to the portal: "Multilingual Works on Mnemonic Techniques." This is in part because several of the English-language texts reference related works in other languages, particularly Latin. Unfortunately, many of these referenced works are written in Classical Latin, and my ability to work with them is quite limited—I’ve done what I can, but they remain largely inaccessible to me. If anyone has expertise in Classical Latin and might be willing to help with these texts, your assistance would be greatly appreciated. * ''[[:la:Foenix|Foenix]] by [[w:en:Peter of Ravenna|Peter of Ravenna]]'' (1491) * ''[[:la:Congestorium Artificiose Memorie|Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]'' by Johann Horst von Romberch (1533) [[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032259.jpg|150px]][[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032269.jpg|150px]] Here is a discussion form on it https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/johannes-romberchs-congestorium-artificiose-memorie/30174 Warm regards [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 23:15, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :Hi there, I could help proofing texts you have prepared perhaps? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:57, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :: Thanks for offering—I’d really appreciate your help with proofreading. :: We have two books. Which one would you like to start with? ::*[[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] ::*[[Liber:Congestorium artificiose memorie ... - V.P.F. Joa(n)nis Romberch de Kyrspe. Regularis obseruantie predicatorie- (IA hin-wel-all-00002875-001).pdf]] ::[[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 21:49, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I can do the pages you have put into the first, as a start for you. BTW the transcribed text does not always look like it originated from the source. It is very correct, but some has different orthography and missed certain parts. That is fine of course if we are correcting to the original. (PS: you might want to create a user account so that you can be notified of replies, hide your IP address, etc). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:57, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I had a go at the first page or two; some of the orthography was removed while other parts were kept. I kept all of it as a first go. See the discussion above about how we treat orthography, hopefully we can address this with templates. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:11, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::I'm using Google OCR and some AI tools to pull out text and sometimes translate it into English so I can understand it. If anyone could help me proofread or check it, I’d be super grateful! [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 00:50, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::I have added all the templates we need for the special characters / orthography, I will start doing the pages with those. The end result will be that on the main space ebook pages, the chars will toggle on and off, at least once that is properly implemented. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:25, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Noted, sounds good. I’ll try adding to the other pages next time. 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[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:14, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Sister Projects Task Force reviews Wikispore and Wikinews</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Dear Wikimedia Community, The [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee|Community Affairs Committee (CAC)]] of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees assigned [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Sister Projects Task Force|the Sister Projects Task Force (SPTF)]] to update and implement a procedure for assessing the lifecycle of Sister Projects – wiki [[m:Wikimedia projects|projects supported by Wikimedia Foundation (WMF)]]. A vision of relevant, accessible, and impactful free knowledge has always guided the Wikimedia Movement. As the ecosystem of Wikimedia projects continues to evolve, it is crucial that we periodically review existing projects to ensure they still align with our goals and community capacity. Despite their noble intent, some projects may no longer effectively serve their original purpose. '''Reviewing such projects is not about giving up – it's about responsible stewardship of shared resources'''. Volunteer time, staff support, infrastructure, and community attention are finite, and the non-technical costs tend to grow significantly as our ecosystem has entered a different age of the internet than the one we were founded in. Supporting inactive projects or projects that didn't meet our ambitions can unintentionally divert these resources from areas with more potential impact. Moreover, maintaining projects that no longer reflect the quality and reliability of the Wikimedia name stands for, involves a reputational risk. An abandoned or less reliable project affects trust in the Wikimedia movement. Lastly, '''failing to sunset or reimagine projects that are no longer working can make it much harder to start new ones'''. When the community feels bound to every past decision – no matter how outdated – we risk stagnation. A healthy ecosystem must allow for evolution, adaptation, and, when necessary, letting go. If we create the expectation that every project must exist indefinitely, we limit our ability to experiment and innovate. Because of this, SPTF reviewed two requests concerning the lifecycle of the Sister Projects to work through and demonstrate the review process. We chose Wikispore as a case study for a possible new Sister Project opening and Wikinews as a case study for a review of an existing project. Preliminary findings were discussed with the CAC, and a community consultation on both proposals was recommended. === Wikispore === The [[m:Wikispore|application to consider Wikispore]] was submitted in 2019. SPTF decided to review this request in more depth because rather than being concentrated on a specific topic, as most of the proposals for the new Sister Projects are, Wikispore has the potential to nurture multiple start-up Sister Projects. After careful consideration, the SPTF has decided '''not to recommend''' Wikispore as a Wikimedia Sister Project. Considering the current activity level, the current arrangement allows '''better flexibility''' and experimentation while WMF provides core infrastructural support. We acknowledge the initiative's potential and seek community input on what would constitute a sufficient level of activity and engagement to reconsider its status in the future. As part of the process, we shared the decision with the Wikispore community and invited one of its leaders, Pharos, to an SPTF meeting. Currently, we especially invite feedback on measurable criteria indicating the project's readiness, such as contributor numbers, content volume, and sustained community support. This would clarify the criteria sufficient for opening a new Sister Project, including possible future Wikispore re-application. However, the numbers will always be a guide because any number can be gamed. === Wikinews === We chose to review Wikinews among existing Sister Projects because it is the one for which we have observed the highest level of concern in multiple ways. Since the SPTF was convened in 2023, its members have asked for the community's opinions during conferences and community calls about Sister Projects that did not fulfil their promise in the Wikimedia movement.[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WCNA_2024._Sister_Projects_-_opening%3F_closing%3F_merging%3F_splitting%3F.pdf <nowiki>[1]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Sister_Projects_Task_Force#Wikimania_2023_session_%22Sister_Projects:_past,_present_and_the_glorious_future%22 <nowiki>[2]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[3]</nowiki>] Wikinews was the leading candidate for an evaluation because people from multiple language communities proposed it. Additionally, by most measures, it is the least active Sister Project, with the greatest drop in activity over the years. While the Language Committee routinely opens and closes language versions of the Sister Projects in small languages, there has never been a valid proposal to close Wikipedia in major languages or any project in English. This is not true for Wikinews, where there was a proposal to close English Wikinews, which gained some traction but did not result in any action[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_English_Wikinews <nowiki>[4]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[5]</nowiki>, see section 5] as well as a draft proposal to close all languages of Wikinews[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_closing_projects/Archive_2#Close_Wikinews_completely,_all_languages? <nowiki>[6]</nowiki>]. [[:c:File:Sister Projects Taskforce Wikinews review 2024.pdf|Initial metrics]] compiled by WMF staff also support the community's concerns about Wikinews. Based on this report, SPTF recommends a community reevaluation of Wikinews. We conclude that its current structure and activity levels are the lowest among the existing sister projects. SPTF also recommends pausing the opening of new language editions while the consultation runs. SPTF brings this analysis to a discussion and welcomes discussions of alternative outcomes, including potential restructuring efforts or integration with other Wikimedia initiatives. '''Options''' mentioned so far (which might be applied to just low-activity languages or all languages) include but are not limited to: *Restructure how Wikinews works and is linked to other current events efforts on the projects, *Merge the content of Wikinews into the relevant language Wikipedias, possibly in a new namespace, *Merge content into compatibly licensed external projects, *Archive Wikinews projects. Your insights and perspectives are invaluable in shaping the future of these projects. We encourage all interested community members to share their thoughts on the relevant discussion pages or through other designated feedback channels. === Feedback and next steps === We'd be grateful if you want to take part in a conversation on the future of these projects and the review process. We are setting up two different project pages: [[m:Public consultation about Wikispore|Public consultation about Wikispore]] and [[m:Public consultation about Wikinews|Public consultation about Wikinews]]. Please participate between 27 June 2025 and 27 July 2025, after which we will summarize the discussion to move forward. You can write in your own language. I will also host a community conversation 16th July Wednesday 11.00 UTC and 17th July Thursday 17.00 UTC (call links to follow shortly) and will be around at Wikimania for more discussions. <section end="message"/> </div> -- [[User:Victoria|Victoria]] on behalf of the Sister Project Task Force, 20:57, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Johan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Johan_(WMF)/Sister_project_MassMassage_on_behalf_of_Victoria/Target_list&oldid=28911188 --> == Latin incunabula and other early books == Expanding a bit on what I mentioned above, re character toggling, and also working on the books [[Foenix]] and [[Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae]] * the Transkribus Latin Incunabula scan does a great job on the heavy gothic style print * I will see how it does with more Garamond-style texts, in case it works with these * I have developed a fairly full set of templates for scribal characters, see [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] * I am thinking about using a bot to wholesale search and replace long s, and other scribal characters mapped there Between these things, the work to transcribe and correct early printed Latin books should be very much reduced. If anyone feels like helping test this out, do give me shout. Meantime I will run tests on Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae to check how well the bot system works. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:50, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :The folks at Wikisource helped create a JS solution for this, see [[Usor:JimKillock/incunabula.js]]. The script does a search and replace for what is needed, on the '''first save of a new book page'''; these are the settings for the Incunabula style section of [[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|this scan, p 52 onwards]] for [[Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]. It seems to work very well and is extremely labour saving! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 22:59, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == Navigation and validation == Hi there, I would like to do some work on navigation, to provide some "portal" pages similar to EN Wikisource. For example, this would help with learner texts a lot 9I often get asked how to find these texts, I point to the category pages, but these are very basic. I would also like to know what we should do about page validation. Some really necessary changes are currently languishing in the backlog. This is an admin only task: should we asking for more administrators, or is this something existing admins here can take on? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 14:08, 13 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :Hi {{U|JimKillock}} good idea, don't hesitate to start and/or ask for help. That said, I'm not sure to see why this is an admin task (even if, yes, the underlying point is true, we need more admins). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:31, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think the Portal namespace and some modules need setting up which require admin permissions, I will dig a bit further and come back to you. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Wikidata Item and Property labels soon displayed in Wiki Watchlist/Recent Changes == ''(Apologies for posting in English, you can help by translating into your language)'' Hello everyone, the [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects]] team is excited to announce an upcoming change in how Wikidata edit changelogs are displayed in your [[Special:Watchlist|Watchlists]] and [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]] lists. 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[[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 12:46, 14 Iulii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Danny Benjafield (WMDE)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)/MassMessage_Test_List&oldid=28981877 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr"> Upcoming Deployment of the CampaignEvents Extension</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Hello everyone, ''(Apologies for posting in English if English is not your first language. Please help translate to your language.)'' The Campaigns Product Team is planning a global deployment of the '''[[:mw:Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]]''' to all Wikisource, including this Wikisource, during the '''week of August 25th'''. This extension is designed to help organizers plan and manage events, WikiProjects, and other on-wiki collaborations - and to make these efforts more discoverable. The three main features of this extension are: * '''[[:m:Event_Center/Registration|Event Registration]]''': A simple way to sign up for events on the wiki. * '''[[:m:CampaignEvents/Collaboration_list|Collaboration List]]''': A global list of events and a local list of WikiProjects, accessible at '''[[:m:Special:AllEvents|Special:AllEvents]]'''. * '''[[:m:Campaigns/Foundation_Product_Team/Invitation_list|Invitation Lists]]''': A tool to help organizers find editors who might want to join, based on their past contributions. '''Note''': The extension comes with a new user right called '''"Event Organizer"''', which will be managed by administrators on this Wikisource. Organizer tools like Event Registration and Invitation Lists will only work if someone is granted this right. The Collaboration List is available to everyone immediately after deployment. The extension is already live on several wikis, including '''all Wikipedia, Meta, Wikidata''', and more ( [[m:CampaignEvents/Deployment_status#Current_Deployment_Status_for_CampaignEvents_extension| See the full deployment list]]) If you have any questions, concerns, or feedback, please feel free to share them on the [[m:Talk:CampaignEvents| extension talkpage]]. We’d love to hear from you before the rollout. Thank you! <section end="message"/> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:Udehb-WMF|Udehb-WMF]] ([[User talk:Udehb-WMF|disputatio]]) 15:40, 31 Iulii 2025 (UTC)</bdi> <!-- Message sent by User:Udehb-WMF@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Udehb-WMF/sandbox/MM_target_Wikisource&oldid=29066664 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Temporary accounts will be rolled out soon</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="body"/> Hello, we are the Wikimedia Foundation [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity|Product Safety and Integrity]] team. We would like to announce that '''we plan to enable [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] for this wiki in the week of September 1'''. Temporary accounts are successfully live on 30 wikis, including many large ones like German, Japanese, and French. The change they bring is especially relevant to logged-out editors, who this feature is designed to protect. But it is also relevant to community members like mentors, patrollers, and admins – anyone who reverts edits, blocks users, or otherwise interacts with logged-out editors as part of keeping the wikis safe and accurate. '''Why we are building temporary accounts''' Our wikis should be safer to edit by default for logged-out editors. Temporary accounts allow people to continue editing the wikis without creating an account, while avoiding publicly tying their edits to their IP address. We believe this is in the best interest of our logged-out editors, who make valuable contributions to the wikis and who may later create accounts and grow our community of editors, admins, and other roles. Even though the wikis do warn logged-out editors that their IP address will be associated with their edit, many people may not understand what an IP address is, or that it could be used to connect them to other information about them in ways they might not expect. Additionally, our moderation software and tools rely too heavily on network origin (IP addresses) to identify users and patterns of activity, especially as IP addresses themselves are becoming less stable as identifiers. Temporary accounts allow for more precise interactions with logged-out editors, including more precise blocks, and can help limit how often we unintentionally end up blocking good-faith users who use the same IP addresses as bad-faith users. '''How temporary accounts work''' [[File:Temporary account banner and empty talk page.png|thumb]] Any time a logged-out user publishes an edit on this wiki, a cookie will be set in this user's browser, and a temporary account tied with this cookie will be automatically created. This account's name will follow the pattern: <code dir=ltr>~2025-12345-67</code> (a tilde, current year, a number). On pages like Recent Changes or page history, this name will be displayed. The cookie will expire 90 days after its creation. As long as it exists, all edits made from this device will be attributed to this temporary account. It will be the same account even if the IP address changes, unless the user clears their cookies or uses a different device or web browser. A record of the IP address used at the time of each edit will be stored for 90 days after the edit. However, only some logged-in users will be able to see it. '''What does this mean for different groups of users?''' '''For logged-out editors''' * This increases privacy: currently, if you do not use a registered account to edit, then everybody can see the IP address for the edits you made, even after 90 days. That will no longer be possible on this wiki. * If you use a temporary account to edit from different locations in the last 90 days (for example at home and at a coffee shop), the edit history and the IP addresses for all those locations will now be recorded together, for the same temporary account. Users who [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Access_to_temporary_account_IP_addresses|meet the relevant requirements]] will be able to view this data. If this creates any personal security concerns for you, please contact talktohumanrights at wikimedia.org for advice. '''For community members interacting with logged-out editors''' * A temporary account is uniquely linked to a device. In comparison, an IP address can be shared with different devices and people (for example, different people at school or at work might have the same IP address). * Compared to the current situation, it will be safer to assume that a temporary user's talk page belongs to only one person, and messages left there will be read by them. As you can see in the screenshot, temporary account users will receive notifications. It will also be possible to thank them for their edits, ping them in discussions, and invite them to get more involved in the community. 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Thank you!<section end="body" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:user:NKohli (WMF)|NKohli (WMF)]], [[m:user:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]]</bdi> 21:36, 26 Augusti 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Quiddity_(WMF)/sandbox6&oldid=29181713 --> == All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae == I was looking for templates/formulae by looking at <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> All pages in [[Liber:Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Many (all?) pages in [[Liber:Gallia Christiana, 1715, T1.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki>, like article [[Gallia Christiana 1715 01/Epistola2]] These all use [[Formula:Sidenotes begin]]. There is one "[https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&oldid=79709&diff=cur pending change]" on this template. But that change puts the category outside the noinclude. ::<nowiki></noinclude></nowiki> ::<nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Please either reject the change or move the categoria line. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 04:17, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], I don't think anyone from the admins is monitoring or actioning pending changes currently. (see discussions re admin queues above.) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 05:29, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Shenme}} {{done}} I excluded the categories. {{ping|JimKillock}} no blame but be careful next time, categories should always be excluded. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:28, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|VIGNERON}} It wasn't @JimKillock who made [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&diff=next&oldid=79709 the problematic change], but someone else [[Usor:Ceciliawolf]]. I noticed the problem, he included the problem a list that got your attention. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 02:46, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Shenme}} yes, but [[Special:Diff/236794]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 06:57, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Request for admin status == Hi all, given that we have quite a lot of admin requests (mostly relating to "pending" changes), I would like to request administrator status so that some of these can be cleared. If anyone else wants to step up to help out, that would also be welcome. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:23, 1 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Ping to @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], @[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]]:, @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]]:, @[[Usor:Candalua|Candalua]]: in case you feel able to support my request. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:57, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Hi {{U|JimKillock}}, ::I apparently missed it, where do we have « a lot of admin requests » ? ::That said, one more admin is always good, so create the request and I'll support it. ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:34, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::Hi @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]], :::Thank you! On the admin requests, on this page, here are these :::* [[#All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae]] :::* [[#It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace]] (which you have replied to) :::* [[#Navigation and validation]] :::* [[#Administrator backlog?]] :::* [[#Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s)]] (altho this has been worked around and may not be needed) :::Most of these relate to the ''Pending changes'' backlog in various ways; two are requests for new features / modules to be ported across. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks, I see. It doesn't look like a lot to me, I'll try to deal with it today. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:27, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thank you @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] :) You could also take a look at the pending changes on [[Formula:Pagina_prima/Novae_Aetatis]] and [[Moriae encomium]]. The really big job is going through [[Specialis:PendingChanges|pending changes]] altogether - I understand there is a five year backlog. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:36, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::I see... I had a quick look and all changes seem good. Do we even need this extension on Wikisource? Also, if we keep it, I guess we need more reviewers rather than admins (more admins would be useful too, but that's a separate point). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 10:35, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Of course, the request needs to be supported; without active administrators it is very inconvenient. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:21, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::What do you need us to do? BTW, it would be great to know why edits require administrator approvals. Sorry, but I‘m afraid this makes contributing almost pointless. Many thanks for your help, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 14:15, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::So there are two reasons it would be helpful for me to be an admin; one is if we carry on with the approval system (it looks like we will not) and the other is around updating or adding certain components, modules for example. There may be other tasks I am not aware of that I could help with, but these are the ones I know about. Implementing Portal pages for example needs some work by an admin AIUI. :::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] your question re edits needing approval is [[#Do_we_need_to_approve_changes_to_pages|addressed below, here]]. :::In terms of what you / others need to do, it seems that if there is a consensus to allow me administrator permissions, then a bueaucrat user would implement it (I mistakenly opening a request at meta, and they referred me back here); so we just need to have your views, yes, no, maybe, etc. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:01, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::The page [[Vicifons:Magistratus]], intended for promotion, seems to be protected; I couldn't edit it (''petitio grapheocrat'''ae''''') and add a category ([[:Categoria:Usores]]). [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:23, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thanks, it seems editable now so I [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Petitio_magistratus|added my request there]], if anyone wants to support it. Regarding ''grapheocrates -ae'', how is this declined? Is it otherwise treated as a masculine first declension? Thinking it ought to be added to Wiktionary as it is missing from there. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:00, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::This is [https://archive.org/details/calepinusnovus2002/calepinusnovus2002-french-latin/page/n23/mode/1up?q=grapheocrates from Licoppe and Eichenseer]. Yes, this can be added to Wiktionary, I have no experience editing there. Thanks for the corrections, today the system let me in, but yesterday for some unknown reason it didn’t let me in. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:53, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::Thank you and no problem. I can add to Wiktionary I hope; is the plural therefore ''grapheocratae''; and is the singular ''grapheocrates'' or ''grapheocrata''? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:14, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Yes, of course. They took the Modern Greek word γραφειοκράτης. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:41, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::::Great, after a bit of struggle that is at [[:en:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] and [[:la:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:43, 7 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace == It would require someone with interface admin status to create [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index data config.json]] to replace the current index form parameters ([[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index attributes|very old system]]) with special care to not mass delete information by unadvertedly changing some parameter's name. [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config.json Example from the English Wikisource]. If someone wants to help, please contact me. Regards! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 02:10, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]], potentially - if I have admin status :) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:54, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Ignacio Rodríguez}} I did a test (by copy-pasting the English page), it works, so no need to be interface admin, being admin is enough. ::I only half understand that paramater page, could you give me the actual content expected ? ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:38, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::I don't remember all the details but I worked on that page in the Spanish Wikisource almost a decade ago. I'll make a mockup in the talk page, but I can't promise to get all the Latin words right. For ease, parameter names and help tooltips will be in English internally, but they will show in Latin in the form. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::This was added and it now works perfectly. Thanks! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:25, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Do we need to approve changes to pages == Hi all, Moving the discussion regarding the backlog at [[Specialis:PendingChanges]]: @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] asks whether we need to have this feature. I suspect it was switched on because of spam, vandalism, or some other similar issue. Without it we might need to be keeping an eye on recent changes. I am not sure how the proteccted changes permissions works, or whether permissions to make approvals to changes can be delegated more widely. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Changes to pages affecting project *function* must be controlled. But it seems that Pending Changes doesn't actually stop changes to something like a template/formula from having effect? See my report about <nowiki>Formula:Sidenotes begin</nowiki> above. :And checking a couple of the other initial items in [[Specialis:PendingChanges]], it seems that all pending changes are actually immediately applied to active, visible pages. :So Pending Changes <u>does not prevent damage</u> to the project. It is <u>merely a tracking and notification method?</u> :That can be useful, but requires a set of people to be change reviewers. And changes to subject matter would seem to require reviewers knowledgeable about the subject? :And when changes affect *function*, like templates, who can review and approve those? I'd think only admins. :The link to monitoring Recent Changes is undeniable. I monitor Recent Changes often at Spanish Wikisource because I've seen the random damage people can do. That is the only way to react quickly to damage. (?) But then that assumes people are checking lists frequently, at least daily. :Neither Pending Changes or monitoring Recent Changes prevent damage. They can be only part of a solution to damage. I don't know what to think about Pending Changes ''in isolation''. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 03:48, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} I've got mainly two points : ::* vandlism is low to inexistant on la.ws (and it's already low on most Wikisources), making this extension useless and even problematic. Because it doesn't prevent changes but it prevents them to be effective. ::** Apparently the reason to install is [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_VII#protection_of_completed_works_-_Flagged_Revisions_as_an_alternative?]] ::* this extension is actually caleld [[mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs]] and it's deprecated for years (see [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_XI#Futrue_of_FlaggedRevs_(Pending_Changes)_extension]] or the warning on the extension itself « Flagged Revisions is complex, poorly documented, very clunky, and not recommended for production use »). Also, people on Wikisource don't seem to really master or even using it (including the reviewers rights). Maybe it's aan opportunity to list exactly what we need and find a new extension that fit these needs. ::In the end, I see a lot of cons and only a few pros... ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:35, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :I haven't seen any vandalism here in years. But if you fix the errors, the "Pending Changes" status means that the fixes will only be visible to registered users. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:10, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} many thanks for your replies. I must admit that I’m an occasional Wikisource (or even Wikipedia contributor). I essentially (or exclusively) contribute corrections. :Some days ago, I wanted to download an ePub file for the [[Noctes Atticae]] (to do some regexp searches), but the export was wrong. I tried to modify the code (which I have done successfully for the Greek Wikisource many times) and I found out that I needed a ''nihil obstat'' (I’m afraid this would be way to name it). :Of course, I’m the least interested in vandalism (either contributing it myself, or being any collaborative project being infested/polluted by it). But I think there should be a way of distinguishing between vandalism and non-hardcore (or occasional) contributors. :I don’t know any perfect system, but it should be worth considering a mixed approach. Approval could be required for: already flagged users (for vandalism) and recent users (how about a five-year publishing embargo?). :Only to mention a case, my [https://el.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Συμπόσιον_(Πλάτων)&diff=prev&oldid=49677 first contribution to the Greek Wiksource] was in 2012. I don’t know for how long I have been registered in Wikimedia (I guess this was before 2010). :This isn’t about myself, the issue here is that Wikisource needs contributions to even exist (not to mention for its growth). If no regular user is allowed to contribute without approval, cooperation is basically non-existing. :Even with approval, the reply times are incredibly slow (because of the system). It is not that attention spans are getting shorter, time is the most scarce resource we all are (and I don’t have weeks or months to see whether I’m allowed to have [[Noctes Atticae]] as ePub). :Sorry, the sentence in parentheses isn’t a complaint. Please, do as you please, but my contribution is: consider that you might be making contributions way harder, project growth way slower and administrators’ roles way more complicated (probably, than they could and should be). :Many thanks for your help and your project, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 17:15, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think there is consensus we can switch this off. Let me know if I can help in any way if you think it's time to switch it off. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:25, 4 Octobris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks for the reminder and agreed for removal, so I created a task on Phabricator here : [[Phab:T406424]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:42, 5 Octobris 2025 (UTC) ::::Thanks for filing this @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] , the Wikimedia tech team seem to have finished their work on this now! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:16, 18 Octobris 2025 (UTC) == Index page error "Error: Invalid interval" == I am getting an error: at [[:Liber:Nos in schola latine loquimur - Ars latine loquendi.pdf]] "Error: Invalid interval" for the paginae listing; even when set to <code><nowiki><pagelist 1=1 /></nowiki></code>. Any clues appreciated! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:48, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :This might be the infamous "0x0 bug" that has plagued Wikisource for two? three? years. Normally it resolves doing a purge in both the file page in Commons and in the local Wikisource. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 19:34, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Thanks, that seems to b working now. 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We think it may be necessary to use a special / embedded font to do this, as I think was meant for <nowiki>{{blackletter}}</nowiki> ({{blackletter|exempli gratia}}; see [[Formula:Blackletter/styles.css]], although this does not seem to be calling a font at the moment). Does anyone have any advice about how we would add a webfont to LAWS's CSS, particularly for ℣ and ℟ ; or if there is a way to use an existing webfont with these characters that might be available to us? (Or if there is some other workable solution). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:58, 24 Octobris 2025 (UTC) == Vandalismus == Vidi nuper nonnihil vandalismi, qualis in [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Veni,_Veni_Emmanuel!&curid=12961&diff=244803&oldid=244791 hoc] et [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Old_Testament_(Vulgate)/Hieremias_propheta&action=history illo] apparuit. 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If you need anything else, please ping me, as I don't normally follow the Scriptorium. [[Usor:Candalua|Candalua]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Candalua|disputatio]]) 07:09, 17 Aprilis 2026 (UTC) ::Gratias ago maximas! [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 08:51, 17 Aprilis 2026 (UTC) == Action Required: Update templates/modules for electoral maps (Migrating from P1846 to P14226) == Hello everyone, This is a notice regarding an ongoing data migration on Wikidata that may affect your election-related templates and Lua modules (such as <code>Module:Itemgroup/list</code>). '''The Change:'''<br /> Currently, many templates pull electoral maps from Wikidata using the property [[:d:Property:P1846|P1846]], combined with the qualifier [[:d:Property:P180|P180]]: [[:d:Q19571328|Q19571328]]. We are migrating this data (across roughly 4,000 items) to a newly created, dedicated property: '''[[:d:Property:P14226|P14226]]'''. 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I am helping with this as well. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:01, 12 Maii 2026 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Vote now in the 2026 U4C election</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="announcement-content" /> Eligible voters are asked to participate in the 2026 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee]] election. More information–including an eligibility check, voting process information, candidate information, and a link to the vote–are available on Meta at the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Election/2026|2026 Election information page]]. The vote closes on 2 June 2026 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1780358400 00:00 UTC]. Please vote if your account is eligible. Results will be available by 14 June 2026. -- In cooperation with the U4C,<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 17:15, 27 Maii 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=30513860 --> == Formula:FI == {{tl|FI}} is currently broken and ignores the {{para|width}} param. All images are set to the default size, which is usually very large, like in [[Lirica (Ariosto)]]. [[Usor:Trooper57|Trooper57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Trooper57|disputatio]]) 21:06, 31 Maii 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, I guess we should check how it is behaving in the Italian wiki(s)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:16, 7 Iunii 2026 (UTC) == Copyright problem? Appropriate for here? == What is going on here? * [[Scriptor:Coronus_Tenebrosius]] * [[Contemplationes_Metaphysicae]] * [[Puteus_Chaosi]] * [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius]] No statement of copyright. No proof of authorship. paginae vanitatis ? [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 08:24, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Cum iure auctoris problemata non habebimus, si auctor ipse opera exponit. Et si delere consilium capiemus, [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Saumache|magistratus non habemus]], qui hoc faciant. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:37, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :<blockquote>'''Salvete.''' '''Nomen meum est Krunoslav Mrkoci, et ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' est interpretatio nominis mei in linguam Latinam, id est identitas mea Latina.''' '''Confirmo me ipsum auctorem esse omnium operum hic editorum. Opera primum Croatice scripta sunt, hic autem in versione Latina proposita.''' '''Praeterea fere omnia opera mea iam antea Croatice edita sunt in forma typographica. Id praesertim ad carmina mea pertinet, quae primum anno 1998 in libello iuvenili edita sunt, deinde in variis commentariis typis impressis, inter quos eminenter numeratur periodicum litterarium, culturalis et scientificum ''Riječi'' (Latine: ''Verba''), quod bis delectum e carminibus meis protulit.''' '''Item magna pars commentationum aliarumque prosarum, quae hic in linguam Latinam conversa sunt, iam antea et typis et forma electronica in Croatia divulgata est.''' Quaeso ut attendatis ad paginam meam in Wikidata, ubi tam sub nomine Croatico ''Krunoslav Mrkoci'' quam sub nomine Latino ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' ut auctor operum meorum inscriptus sum. Gratias ago pro lectione. '''Coronus Tenebrosius'''.</blockquote> [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius|Coronus Tenebrosius]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Coronus Tenebrosius|disputatio]]) 12:23, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) == Copying some templates from the English Wikisource == Hello, Would someone please be able to help me get [[s:en:Template:ppoem|en:Template:ppoem]], [[s:en:blackletter|en:blackletter]], [[s:en:Template:he|en:Template:he]], and [[s:en:Template:grc|en:Template:grc]] available to use on this Wikisource, so I can utilize them here? For the blackletter, I've tried [[Formula:Gothica|Gothica]], but that doesn't seem to be rendering properly. Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 00:04, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] I made the shortcut for [[Formula:Graeca]]. You should not need any administror rights to do anything you need, I'll take a look into it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 09:46, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Blackletter is already here, [[:Formula:Gothica]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:57, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Hi! @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]], thanks! Just for clarification, do I need to make the template pages in Latin, or is it alright to copy them in English? Also, @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], I mentioned this above, but for some reason, the Gothica template isn't working for me. See [[Pagina:Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf/15]], for example. Any idea why that might be the case? [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 16:16, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] This wiki lacks proper guidelines and recommendations, I would prefer if you translated the template's name, e.g., [[Formula:spatium]] rather than [[Formula:spatio]] but given the international nature of the project (nobody's mother tongue is Latin) best practice should be to add translated names as shortcuts/redirects. Beware adding templates that are already on the wiki under a different name ([[Formula:grc]] was already at [[Formula:Graeca]]). I took a quick look and it seems the fonts used by the blackletter template are not installed on the wiki; the same template does not seem to work on the French Wikisource either. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 17:40, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::Maybe we have sufficient powers to add the fonts now? Or we can ask someone with additional permissions to do so. But yes I remember now this has been a long standing problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:54, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::[https://yaytext.com/fraktur/ This converter] 𝔠𝔬𝔫𝔳𝔢𝔯𝔱𝔰 𝔩𝔢𝔱𝔱𝔢𝔯𝔰 𝔱𝔬 𝔉𝔯𝔞𝔨𝔱𝔲𝔯 (because it exists in Unicode as separate characters). <s>However, I'm not sure if such text can be found using a regular search.</s> No, Wikipedia search finds it. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:48, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::I looked into using the converter, but I'm running into the issue of lack of compatibility with {{[[Formula:Ls|Ls]]}}. Would it be better to just wait for the font to be added? Do we have any idea when that will happen/who needs to be contacted for that to happen? ::::Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 19:34, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::::These Unicode characters don't feel right on my labtop, they have heigth issues among other things. I went and asked on two different wikis about the fonts, I will come back to you when I get some answers. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 19:41, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :[[Formula:Poema recte formatum]] or [[Formula:Ppoem]] now work, altho there's issues with the documentation page. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:52, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 21:20, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{tl|blackletter}} was not working for me, even after locally installing UnifrakturMaguntia from Google fonts, until I restarted my web browser, which also followed my rebooting. Also, it can't be just any gothic/blackletter font, but must be one of these Fraktur fonts: UnifrakturMaguntia UnifrakturCook Unifraktur. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 21:19, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{ping|Demetrius Talpa|JimKillock|Erblanchard57}} Fonts are downloaded locally, you need to go to Modi/Praeferentiae > Proprietates > Sermonis delectus > Plura > Scripturae and toggle "Download fonts when needed". The option seems not to be that easy to toggle on by default. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 10:56, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, great. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:09, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you very much! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 15:57, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::English WS seems to pull the font in from a repository. I've copied over the module ULS, css etc, would be good to know if it has made any difference. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::{{blackletter|fraktur}} etc [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I just deactivated the "download fonts when needed" option for a second to see if it would work without it, and it still doesn't. 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Every page now has the "Proofread" status, except that a few are also "Validated". I expect it will take quite a while before the whole book gets that second read, if it ever will. My question: is it already acceptable to transclude the text into the main namespace at this stage, even though most pages are only single-proofread rather than validated? Or is there a convention on this Wikisource that a work should be fully validated before merging onto the mainspace? Gratias vobis ago pro consiliis vestris. [[Usor:Sakvaka|Sakvaka]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Sakvaka|disputatio]]) 09:16, 25 Iulii 2026 (UTC) :Of course, this is acceptable; the texts there are of very different quality. Besides, transclusion slightly increases the chances that someone will find it for re-examination. 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Pittacium idcirco e pagina detraxi. --[[Usor:Grufo|Grufo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Grufo|disputatio]]) 20:50, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Nam eaedem quidem editiones sunt, quibusdam minusculis in maiusculas versis litteris formaque apostropharum solum differunt. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 21:08, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default == Hi @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] and others, I noticed that [[:Formula:Littera s longa]] has been changed so that <nowiki>{{s}}</nowiki> produces ſ rather than s by default. This is in contrast to for example English Wikipedia which allows it as a user option, but assumes it is "s" by default. For other formulae, eg {{um}}, {{us}}, {{que}}, etc these are "off" by default. Likewise {{ae}}, {{oe}} I believe are off by default currently. There various ways that this can work, for example: * we could provide a user switch for either state per symbol, etc (with JS, as per EN.WS) * we can provide advice about applying fonts, etc, that can set ſ, ae/oe ligatures, etc, through css preferences * CSS can specify some of this per book (not all ligatures, eg {{que}} can be applied through CSS, and it depends on installed fonts in some cases) * we ''might'' be able to apply a default javascript switch behaviour per book rather than sitewide I don't have a massive preference for s over ſ, or ae / oe over or æ / œ ; but we should I think at least allow users to easily switch, especially re ſ if it is the default. Just throwing it out there for discussion, to see what the general feeling / preference would be. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:40, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :I lacked the rights to have it be toggled on and off through a gadget, we should ask interface administrators to do it, that should be the best way about it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 22:45, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] Take a look to itwikisource gadget "memoRegex". It allows to save and share nsIntex-specific, customable sets of regex or plain substitutions, and it has been recently refined by @Candalua (a great job!). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 10:39, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Portal pages == Hi all, I'd like to suggest we create a few "Portal" pages for some key topics, so we can detail what is good and why rather than just provide category pages. There's a need for a page for introductory Latin, for example, which could explain levels of suitability of texts. See also [[#Navigation and validation]] above To do this, we need community consensus to add a namespace, and then, it is done through a request at Phabricator. The namespace would define what this group of pages were called eg [[Portus:Index]] and also the name of the "Disputatio" (discussion) pages. Please let me know if you agree with this proposal or not, so we can demonstrate consensus for the change to be made. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:50, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :cc @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]]@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:12, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::I consent to the proposal, though I am not sure about the translation 'Portus'. I think that 'Aditus' would better suit this usecase, since from portals users will be able to 'adire' the relevant pages. P.S. Out of curiosity I have checked the dictionary of A. Perugini, and he translates 'portale' as 'porta principalis. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:31, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Ok, sure (regardless, the Vicifons namespace could be used meanwhile to do some testing for the content). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 12:25, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::Ok (even if I'm a inactive admin... :-( ) [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 12:55, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::I totatlly agree! - [[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:OrbiliusMagister|disputatio]]) 13:28, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] By the way, it would be nice if you could [[Vicifons:Scriptorium#Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default|check this out]]! [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 20:53, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Wikiversity was originally intended for educational purposes. But a portal can be created here too. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:00, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I think it would be best to take inspiration from [[:w:la]], at least for the vocabulary. This would: :* provide a vocabulary and structure people may be well acquainted with already :* facilitate our work, not having to find the proper terms for ourselves :* have some sort of continuity between Latin projects :I had started doing this for documentation templates, as they where copied as is from [[:en:Wikisource]]. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 20:50, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::Sure, what do you mean in practice? Does W:la have a phrase for Portal? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 21:29, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::I must say I don't really understand what you precisely intend to put on these pages and why they could not be of the Vicifons namespace. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 00:35, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::It's probably done on En:ws so that search works across portals and mainspace pages but not advice pages; or that search in advice pages does not include results from mainspace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:37, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::Here are some ideas for core pages, following nomenclature used by [[:w:la]] and [[:en:Wikisource]] (names are not definite): :::::* [[Vicifons:De stilo]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Style guide]]) including: titles and their capitalization, use of Roman/Arabic numerals, use of classifiers before numbers (liber, carmen, etc.); regularization of spelling (in non-facsimile pages), anchors, etc. :::::* [[Vicifons:Qualitas paginarum]] :::::* [[Vicifons:De categoriis]] :::::* [[Vicifons:De fontibus]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Sources]]) about how and where, or how not and where not, to find good sources, the fact that most pages don't have sources or are copied from bad sources, e.g., The Latin Library, how to recify this, etc. :::::And help pages: :::::* [[Auxilium:De digitizationem textorum imaginumque ad usum Vicifontis]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Help:Digitising texts and images for Wikisource]]) :::::* etc. :::::I'd be happy to batch something for [[Vicifons:De stilo]], as I think it is really needed. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 13:01, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::I agree, a style guide is badly needed. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:20, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I have sketched something up in my [[Usor:Saumache/Pagina cerata|sandbox]], rules are based on common practices of this wiki and personal preferences, please add rules, comments, sections, etc. without removing anything for the moment: we may discuss any of it on a dedicated discussion page. If my process isn't right and you think or know we sould do this some other way, please tell me. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 16:06, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Quae hucusque scripsisti, mihi bona videntur. Just a minor thing: the slash at the end of the link should not be included: it should be <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I]]</nowiki></code> and not <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>. The rules 'de titulis paginarum' will be particularly useful for the classical works on Wikisource, since they are a mess in this regard. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:25, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::This mostly looks good to me, although I would emphasise keeping to the orthography, numbering style, of the original texts. We are a source project after all. Variance across transcriptions is fine, but changing the source style to a project style should be kept to the minimum. All that said, in my view it's also OK to allow variances per transcription project, not least as they can be copied and re-done as people wish. ::::::::I very much agree about encouraging people to use good sources, and preferably to link them via a transcription process so they can be verified. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:11, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::I suppose the ligatures bit is potentially controversial. I've built a system for my own transcriptions to toggle many of these on and off, for early modern books. My rationale is that it allows for preservation of the original orthography and presentation of a more modern version for everyday use. As for search, tho, doing this for some characters eg q; will cause a cost to some searching. But ae / oe are usually or often not a problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:20, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::On Vicipaedia portals are simply combined [[:w:la:Categoria:Portae|into a category]]; it is not necessary to ask the Phabricator. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 08:19, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::<small>The link you have sent is actually a category of pages about city gates (lat. ''portae''). Though,</small> It is true that we can still write portal pages without a dedicated namespace, and just group them with templates and categories. For example on German wikisource there is no author namespace, they just have an [[:de:Kategorie:Autoren|'author' category]]. It is an idea that is worth considering. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:38, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::We [[:w:la:Categoria:Portae Vicipaedianae|renamed it]] yesterday. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 16:57, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) 40wynerv3hgfy1fw2hi94oxtb2gnbbb 276980 276979 2026-08-22T20:27:58Z JimKillock 19003 /* Portal pages */ 276980 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ <!--- __NOTOC__ --->[[Categoria:Vicifons|Scriptorium]] {{Intraincepti |w= Vicipaedia:Taberna |q= Vicicitatio:Taberna |commons: <!-- Communia --> |b= Vicilibri:Porta Communis |wikt= Victionarium:Taberna |m= <!-- Meta --> |wikispecies= <!-- Vicispecies --> |n= <!-- Vicinuntii --> }} <div class="toccolours" style="text-align:center; font-size:14pt; background:#eef; color:navy; "> Hac pagina scriptorium Vicifontis est.<br /> <small><small>Nunc iam sunt '''{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}''' paginae. 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In cooperation with the U4C -- <section end="announcement-content" /> </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 03:41, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)</div> <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s) == On EN wikisource, they have a template <nowiki>{{longs}}</nowiki> to produce ''ſ'' on the transcription page, and by default, ''s'' on the ebook page. users on EN WS can toggle these on and off. In this book, [[:la:Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']], there are a number of unusual characters that could do with toggling: ''ſ (s); ß (ss); ẽ (en / em) ũ (un / um) æ (ae) ę (ae) õ (on / om) ã (an / am) œ (oe)''. ([[:formula:ls]] already exists here for ſ, and some other characters semi-implemented at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] but the toggling is not switched on.) In order to implement this: (1) What would LA WiCategoria:Formulae litterarumkisource need to enable for user toggling of special characters? (2) Who would I contact (assuming this is an admin task)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:06, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :It looks like it would need this installing, as a start: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js|MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:13, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|OrbiliusMagister}} as the only active magister! --[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:16, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|SZC 03}} in case you have an opinion (you made changes at the De Pricipia transcription project which we could implement better with this toggle feature). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:31, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::I would like to point out that not all of the listed characters are of the same kind: ::* ſ is a variant of s; ::* ß, æ and œ are [[:w:en:Ligature (writing)|ligatures]] of ſs, ae and oe respectively ([[:w:en:E caudata|ę]] can represent both ae or oe); ::* ã, ẽ, õ, ũ are used to indicate [[:w:en:Scribal abbreviation|abbreviations]]. ::Personally I think it would be somewhat useful to implement the toggle feature only for æ and œ, since of all the ligatures they are the only ones that carry some meaning (that ae or oe in that word is a diphthong) and the only ones that easily show up in search results and correctly displayed in web-browsers. ::Note that both English and Italian wikisources in their transcription guidelines take in consideration the ability of both modern readers and search engines to correctly interpret the character shown (see [[:en:Wikisource:Style guide/Orthography]] and [[:it:Wikisource:Convenzioni di trascrizione]]). Though it would be useful to write rules specific to the Latin wikisource. ::I hope these considerations were of any help. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 07:58, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) ::In regards to the [[Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']] it would be appropriate to encode the text in a way that we do not lose your work of accurately transcribing the above characters, while still showing to the end user a normalized form. My edit was trying to achieve this with the templates currently in wikisource. ::From a technical standpoint, it would be useful to have a general template not specific to any character that could be used both in ''ad hoc'' situations, and in creating other templates. ::Also if such a template is created for abbreviations it should behave differently from the long s and ligatures, since 1) the text displayed is context dependent, and 2) it is common use in diplomatic transcriptions to show the abbreviated characters in parentheses (so I were taught in paleography class). ::To give an example of point 2 from the text ([[Pagina:Nicolaus_Machiavellus_De_Principe.pdf/69|page 45]], line 11): ::Original text: Iãq́ꝫ ::Diplomatic transcription: Ia(m)q(ue) ::Standard transcription: Iamque ::I’m sorry for the lengthy comments. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:02, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I agree something adhoc would be helpful. The template would need to specify :::* the text as-is and :::* the modernised version :::and hopefully there would be a system to pick up which to display. :::In terms of the display: this could be the js system, perhaps adapted, that we have on en.ws, or possibly it could be an adjustment to the page templates set up, to allow two different books, or sets of pages, to be presented. This would have the advantage that exports would facilitate both (IDK but suspect that exports support the default rather than user choice). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 15:48, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I have set out this information in a [[Usor:JimKillock/Orthography|table]] including information about dictionary lookups and likely search engine issues. In short, from a user perspective, all the characters can be problematic, but æ and œ work within Alpheios for dictionary lookups, so are a bit more tolerable than the others from a default perspective. However I think it is useful tobe able to see and use the originals for some people, eg those practicing reading Renaissance scans etc; or researchers or academics looking to use source texts. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:09, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|Alex brollo}}, {{ping|VIGNERON}}, {{ping|Candalua}} in case you can help. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:38, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] Interesting question. I'll take a look to the ensource template to understand how it works (I hope it is not based on javascript). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 06:18, 1 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I’m afraid it is based on javascript: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] :::To see the button you have to enable the [[:en:Help:Gadget-Visibility|Visibility gadget]]. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:12, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] checking in whether we can implement this, or find another solution. I am holding off further changes until I know how to proceed - but I am sure there should be a way to do this! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:40, 19 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::Noting this question comes up again at [[:Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] (I have [[Disputatio Libri:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|left a note there]]). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:08, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::OK, I have developed templates as this is holding up other people's work. I have based each template on the existing [[:formula:ls]], and avoid duplicating those that already exist using the same method at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]]. Meantime if anyone has further thoughts about using Visibility Gadget or going another way, I would be very grateful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:02, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] I have made a very basic template for flexible character switching at [[Formula:Scr]]; this returns the first entry on the book page, and the second in main space, eg <nowiki>{{scr|qꝫ|que}}</nowiki> would work the same as <nowiki>{{que}}</nowiki>. :::::However there is advice on ENWS not to use characters but use HTML entities for CSS reasons, so it is probably better for users to use specific templates. For example, I also created <nowiki>{{po}}</nowiki> which allows a user to decide what it might best represent, eg <nowiki>{{po|;}} or {{po|?}}</nowiki>. :::::In general, using set templates like <nowiki>{{que}}, {{em}}, {{um}}, {{etc}}</nowiki> is much easier for proofing, so I think I will continue to add these where it seems useful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:29, 24 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Hi folks, so that you know, I have made something of a workaround to be able to enable these features, which works well enough for me. I will perhaps add some guidance somewhere. What I have done: ::::::# Installed the font Garamontio, as it has the qꝫ character, and all the possible ligatures ::::::# Created custom css to apply Garamontio to Wikisource as a whole; at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.css]]; and ::::::# Created (vibecoded) custom javascript at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.js]] ::::::The second script looks for the various spans with the css style typographic-long-s, and replaces the characters as appropriate. This seems to work surprisingly well, Garamontio does all of the discretionary ligatures etc, and is a very well designed font (fork of EB Garamond, with some extra touches useful here). The issue is of course that this applies to the whole of Latin Wikisource all of the time. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:35, 25 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], reading this I wanted to tell you that you could apply styles to a index page, but I see you have already figured it out. Kudos on your progress. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 09:56, 9 Iulii 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Thanks @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]]; my list of scribal transformations has got quite long tho. And I need to check on the possible logic of it, some needs to hide and unhide, rather than search and replace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:27, 11 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == We will be enabling the new Charts extension on your wiki soon! == ''(Apologies for posting in English)'' Hi all! We have good news to share regarding the ongoing problem with graphs and charts affecting all wikis that use them. As you probably know, the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|old Graph extension]] was disabled in 2023 [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/EWL4AGBEZEDMNNFTM4FRD4MHOU3CVESO/|due to security reasons]]. 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If you have any questions, you can ask on [[m:Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025|the discussion page for the election]]. -- in cooperation with the U4C, </div><section end="announcement-content" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User_talk:Keegan (WMF)|disputatio]])</bdi> 22:08, 15 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> ''(Apologies for posting in English, if this is not your first language)'' Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation. You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. 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Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]] '''Election Volunteers''' Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]] Thank you! [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results [2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter [3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024 [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates Best regards, Victoria Doronina Board Liaison to the Elections Committee Governance Committee<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 03:08, 28 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:RamzyM (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Administrator backlog? == Hi there, I am noticing a lot of pages that say that the current version is not checked; and versions I have amended are not (apparently) displayed because they need approval. Am I right in assuming this is due to a lack of (active) administrator time? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:53, 30 Maii 2025 (UTC) :Relatedly @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] / @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] / other admins, [[Colloquia familiaria]] has an old index page and other old sub pages which could do with changes being approved. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:58, 12 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::Ping on this, some of the sub pages are quite broken. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:42, 28 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :I have tried to fix the lack of text in ePub export for [[Noctes Atticae]]. :Unfortunately, it seems that all my submissions require approval (last approval seems to have taken place more than five years ago). :Is there any way to have <code>class="ws-export"</code> to the second <code>&lt;table&gt;</code> from [[Noctes Atticae]]? :Many thanks for your help, [[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 19:09, 15 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] Checking you know this is working now [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:21, 18 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Vote now in the 2025 U4C Election == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> Apologies for writing in English. {{Int:Please-translate}} Eligible voters are asked to participate in the 2025 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee]] election. More information–including an eligibility check, voting process information, candidate information, and a link to the vote–are available on Meta at the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Election/2025|2025 Election information page]]. The vote closes on 17 June 2025 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1750161600 12:00 UTC]. Please vote if your account is eligible. Results will be available by 1 July 2025. -- In cooperation with the U4C, [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 23:01, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28848819 --> == Mnemonics Book in Latin == Dear all, Over the past month, with the help of others, I’ve been compiling a list of older and often overlooked books on mnemonic techniques available on [[:en:Portal:Mnemonics|Wikisource English]]. Many of these works—some dating back decades or even centuries—offer fascinating insights into how memory has been understood, trained, and improved across different cultures and time periods. I've recently added a new section to the portal: "Multilingual Works on Mnemonic Techniques." This is in part because several of the English-language texts reference related works in other languages, particularly Latin. Unfortunately, many of these referenced works are written in Classical Latin, and my ability to work with them is quite limited—I’ve done what I can, but they remain largely inaccessible to me. If anyone has expertise in Classical Latin and might be willing to help with these texts, your assistance would be greatly appreciated. * ''[[:la:Foenix|Foenix]] by [[w:en:Peter of Ravenna|Peter of Ravenna]]'' (1491) * ''[[:la:Congestorium Artificiose Memorie|Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]'' by Johann Horst von Romberch (1533) [[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032259.jpg|150px]][[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032269.jpg|150px]] Here is a discussion form on it https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/johannes-romberchs-congestorium-artificiose-memorie/30174 Warm regards [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 23:15, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :Hi there, I could help proofing texts you have prepared perhaps? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:57, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :: Thanks for offering—I’d really appreciate your help with proofreading. :: We have two books. Which one would you like to start with? ::*[[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] ::*[[Liber:Congestorium artificiose memorie ... - V.P.F. Joa(n)nis Romberch de Kyrspe. Regularis obseruantie predicatorie- (IA hin-wel-all-00002875-001).pdf]] ::[[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 21:49, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I can do the pages you have put into the first, as a start for you. BTW the transcribed text does not always look like it originated from the source. It is very correct, but some has different orthography and missed certain parts. That is fine of course if we are correcting to the original. (PS: you might want to create a user account so that you can be notified of replies, hide your IP address, etc). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:57, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I had a go at the first page or two; some of the orthography was removed while other parts were kept. I kept all of it as a first go. See the discussion above about how we treat orthography, hopefully we can address this with templates. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:11, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::I'm using Google OCR and some AI tools to pull out text and sometimes translate it into English so I can understand it. If anyone could help me proofread or check it, I’d be super grateful! [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 00:50, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::I have added all the templates we need for the special characters / orthography, I will start doing the pages with those. The end result will be that on the main space ebook pages, the chars will toggle on and off, at least once that is properly implemented. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:25, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Noted, sounds good. I’ll try adding to the other pages next time. [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 22:10, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 - Call for Candidates</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="announcement-content" /> :''<div class="plainlinks">[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Call for candidates|{{int:interlanguage-link-mul}}]] • [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-{{urlencode:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Call for candidates}}&language=&action=page&filter= {{int:please-translate}}]</div> Hello all, The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025|call for candidates for the 2025 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees selection is now open]] from June 17, 2025 – July 2, 2025 at 11:59 UTC [1]. The Board of Trustees oversees the Wikimedia Foundation's work, and each Trustee serves a three-year term [2]. This is a volunteer position. This year, the Wikimedia community will vote in late August through September 2025 to fill two (2) seats on the Foundation Board. Could you – or someone you know – be a good fit to join the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees? [3] Learn more about what it takes to stand for these leadership positions and how to submit your candidacy on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Candidate application|this Meta-wiki page]] or encourage someone else to run in this year's election. Best regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi<br /> Chair of the Elections Committee On behalf of the Elections Committee and Governance Committee [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Call_for_candidates [2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal:Bylaws#(B)_Term. [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Resources_for_candidates<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 17:44, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:RamzyM (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28866958 --> == [[De Principe]] == Si vis, quaeso, me adiuva ut liber novus ''[[De Principe]]'' correctus sit et erroribus liber. Nuper completus, ab aliquo alio corrigendus est. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:14, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Sister Projects Task Force reviews Wikispore and Wikinews</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Dear Wikimedia Community, The [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee|Community Affairs Committee (CAC)]] of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees assigned [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Sister Projects Task Force|the Sister Projects Task Force (SPTF)]] to update and implement a procedure for assessing the lifecycle of Sister Projects – wiki [[m:Wikimedia projects|projects supported by Wikimedia Foundation (WMF)]]. A vision of relevant, accessible, and impactful free knowledge has always guided the Wikimedia Movement. As the ecosystem of Wikimedia projects continues to evolve, it is crucial that we periodically review existing projects to ensure they still align with our goals and community capacity. Despite their noble intent, some projects may no longer effectively serve their original purpose. '''Reviewing such projects is not about giving up – it's about responsible stewardship of shared resources'''. Volunteer time, staff support, infrastructure, and community attention are finite, and the non-technical costs tend to grow significantly as our ecosystem has entered a different age of the internet than the one we were founded in. Supporting inactive projects or projects that didn't meet our ambitions can unintentionally divert these resources from areas with more potential impact. Moreover, maintaining projects that no longer reflect the quality and reliability of the Wikimedia name stands for, involves a reputational risk. An abandoned or less reliable project affects trust in the Wikimedia movement. Lastly, '''failing to sunset or reimagine projects that are no longer working can make it much harder to start new ones'''. When the community feels bound to every past decision – no matter how outdated – we risk stagnation. A healthy ecosystem must allow for evolution, adaptation, and, when necessary, letting go. If we create the expectation that every project must exist indefinitely, we limit our ability to experiment and innovate. Because of this, SPTF reviewed two requests concerning the lifecycle of the Sister Projects to work through and demonstrate the review process. We chose Wikispore as a case study for a possible new Sister Project opening and Wikinews as a case study for a review of an existing project. Preliminary findings were discussed with the CAC, and a community consultation on both proposals was recommended. === Wikispore === The [[m:Wikispore|application to consider Wikispore]] was submitted in 2019. SPTF decided to review this request in more depth because rather than being concentrated on a specific topic, as most of the proposals for the new Sister Projects are, Wikispore has the potential to nurture multiple start-up Sister Projects. After careful consideration, the SPTF has decided '''not to recommend''' Wikispore as a Wikimedia Sister Project. Considering the current activity level, the current arrangement allows '''better flexibility''' and experimentation while WMF provides core infrastructural support. We acknowledge the initiative's potential and seek community input on what would constitute a sufficient level of activity and engagement to reconsider its status in the future. As part of the process, we shared the decision with the Wikispore community and invited one of its leaders, Pharos, to an SPTF meeting. Currently, we especially invite feedback on measurable criteria indicating the project's readiness, such as contributor numbers, content volume, and sustained community support. This would clarify the criteria sufficient for opening a new Sister Project, including possible future Wikispore re-application. However, the numbers will always be a guide because any number can be gamed. === Wikinews === We chose to review Wikinews among existing Sister Projects because it is the one for which we have observed the highest level of concern in multiple ways. Since the SPTF was convened in 2023, its members have asked for the community's opinions during conferences and community calls about Sister Projects that did not fulfil their promise in the Wikimedia movement.[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WCNA_2024._Sister_Projects_-_opening%3F_closing%3F_merging%3F_splitting%3F.pdf <nowiki>[1]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Sister_Projects_Task_Force#Wikimania_2023_session_%22Sister_Projects:_past,_present_and_the_glorious_future%22 <nowiki>[2]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[3]</nowiki>] Wikinews was the leading candidate for an evaluation because people from multiple language communities proposed it. Additionally, by most measures, it is the least active Sister Project, with the greatest drop in activity over the years. While the Language Committee routinely opens and closes language versions of the Sister Projects in small languages, there has never been a valid proposal to close Wikipedia in major languages or any project in English. This is not true for Wikinews, where there was a proposal to close English Wikinews, which gained some traction but did not result in any action[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_English_Wikinews <nowiki>[4]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[5]</nowiki>, see section 5] as well as a draft proposal to close all languages of Wikinews[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_closing_projects/Archive_2#Close_Wikinews_completely,_all_languages? <nowiki>[6]</nowiki>]. [[:c:File:Sister Projects Taskforce Wikinews review 2024.pdf|Initial metrics]] compiled by WMF staff also support the community's concerns about Wikinews. Based on this report, SPTF recommends a community reevaluation of Wikinews. We conclude that its current structure and activity levels are the lowest among the existing sister projects. SPTF also recommends pausing the opening of new language editions while the consultation runs. SPTF brings this analysis to a discussion and welcomes discussions of alternative outcomes, including potential restructuring efforts or integration with other Wikimedia initiatives. '''Options''' mentioned so far (which might be applied to just low-activity languages or all languages) include but are not limited to: *Restructure how Wikinews works and is linked to other current events efforts on the projects, *Merge the content of Wikinews into the relevant language Wikipedias, possibly in a new namespace, *Merge content into compatibly licensed external projects, *Archive Wikinews projects. Your insights and perspectives are invaluable in shaping the future of these projects. We encourage all interested community members to share their thoughts on the relevant discussion pages or through other designated feedback channels. === Feedback and next steps === We'd be grateful if you want to take part in a conversation on the future of these projects and the review process. We are setting up two different project pages: [[m:Public consultation about Wikispore|Public consultation about Wikispore]] and [[m:Public consultation about Wikinews|Public consultation about Wikinews]]. Please participate between 27 June 2025 and 27 July 2025, after which we will summarize the discussion to move forward. You can write in your own language. I will also host a community conversation 16th July Wednesday 11.00 UTC and 17th July Thursday 17.00 UTC (call links to follow shortly) and will be around at Wikimania for more discussions. <section end="message"/> </div> -- [[User:Victoria|Victoria]] on behalf of the Sister Project Task Force, 20:57, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Johan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Johan_(WMF)/Sister_project_MassMassage_on_behalf_of_Victoria/Target_list&oldid=28911188 --> == Latin incunabula and other early books == Expanding a bit on what I mentioned above, re character toggling, and also working on the books [[Foenix]] and [[Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae]] * the Transkribus Latin Incunabula scan does a great job on the heavy gothic style print * I will see how it does with more Garamond-style texts, in case it works with these * I have developed a fairly full set of templates for scribal characters, see [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] * I am thinking about using a bot to wholesale search and replace long s, and other scribal characters mapped there Between these things, the work to transcribe and correct early printed Latin books should be very much reduced. If anyone feels like helping test this out, do give me shout. Meantime I will run tests on Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae to check how well the bot system works. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:50, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :The folks at Wikisource helped create a JS solution for this, see [[Usor:JimKillock/incunabula.js]]. The script does a search and replace for what is needed, on the '''first save of a new book page'''; these are the settings for the Incunabula style section of [[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|this scan, p 52 onwards]] for [[Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]. It seems to work very well and is extremely labour saving! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 22:59, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == Navigation and validation == Hi there, I would like to do some work on navigation, to provide some "portal" pages similar to EN Wikisource. For example, this would help with learner texts a lot 9I often get asked how to find these texts, I point to the category pages, but these are very basic. I would also like to know what we should do about page validation. Some really necessary changes are currently languishing in the backlog. This is an admin only task: should we asking for more administrators, or is this something existing admins here can take on? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 14:08, 13 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :Hi {{U|JimKillock}} good idea, don't hesitate to start and/or ask for help. That said, I'm not sure to see why this is an admin task (even if, yes, the underlying point is true, we need more admins). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:31, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think the Portal namespace and some modules need setting up which require admin permissions, I will dig a bit further and come back to you. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Wikidata Item and Property labels soon displayed in Wiki Watchlist/Recent Changes == ''(Apologies for posting in English, you can help by translating into your language)'' Hello everyone, the [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects]] team is excited to announce an upcoming change in how Wikidata edit changelogs are displayed in your [[Special:Watchlist|Watchlists]] and [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]] lists. If an edit is made on Wikidata that affects a page in another Wikimedia Project, the changelog will contain some information about the nature of the edit. This can include a QID (or Q-number), a PID (or P-number) and a value (which can be text, numbers, dates, or also QID or PID’s). Confused by these terms? See the [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Glossary|Wikidata:Glossary]] for further explanations. The upcoming change is scheduled for '''17.07.2025''', between '''1300 - 1500 UTC'''. The change will display the label (item name) alongside any QID or PIDs, as seen in the image below: [[File:Apr10 edit summary on Wikidata.png|An edit sum entry on Wikidata, labels display alongside their P- and Q-no.'s]] These changes will only be visible if you have Wikidata edits enabled in your User Preferences for Watchlists and Recent Changes, or have the active filter ‘Wikidata edits’ checkbox toggled on, directly on the Watchlist and Recent Changes pages. Your bot and gadget may be affected! There are thousands of bots, gadgets and user-scripts and whilst we have researched potential effects to many of them, we cannot guarantee there won’t be some that are broken or affected by this change. Further information and context about this change, including how your bot may be affected can be found on this [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|project task page]]. We welcome your questions and feedback, please write to us on this dedicated [[m:Talk:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Talk page]]. Thank you, - [[m:User:Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)|Danny Benjafield (WMDE)]] on behalf of the Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects Team. [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 12:46, 14 Iulii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Danny Benjafield (WMDE)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)/MassMessage_Test_List&oldid=28981877 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr"> Upcoming Deployment of the CampaignEvents Extension</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Hello everyone, ''(Apologies for posting in English if English is not your first language. Please help translate to your language.)'' The Campaigns Product Team is planning a global deployment of the '''[[:mw:Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]]''' to all Wikisource, including this Wikisource, during the '''week of August 25th'''. This extension is designed to help organizers plan and manage events, WikiProjects, and other on-wiki collaborations - and to make these efforts more discoverable. The three main features of this extension are: * '''[[:m:Event_Center/Registration|Event Registration]]''': A simple way to sign up for events on the wiki. * '''[[:m:CampaignEvents/Collaboration_list|Collaboration List]]''': A global list of events and a local list of WikiProjects, accessible at '''[[:m:Special:AllEvents|Special:AllEvents]]'''. * '''[[:m:Campaigns/Foundation_Product_Team/Invitation_list|Invitation Lists]]''': A tool to help organizers find editors who might want to join, based on their past contributions. '''Note''': The extension comes with a new user right called '''"Event Organizer"''', which will be managed by administrators on this Wikisource. Organizer tools like Event Registration and Invitation Lists will only work if someone is granted this right. The Collaboration List is available to everyone immediately after deployment. The extension is already live on several wikis, including '''all Wikipedia, Meta, Wikidata''', and more ( [[m:CampaignEvents/Deployment_status#Current_Deployment_Status_for_CampaignEvents_extension| See the full deployment list]]) If you have any questions, concerns, or feedback, please feel free to share them on the [[m:Talk:CampaignEvents| extension talkpage]]. We’d love to hear from you before the rollout. Thank you! <section end="message"/> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:Udehb-WMF|Udehb-WMF]] ([[User talk:Udehb-WMF|disputatio]]) 15:40, 31 Iulii 2025 (UTC)</bdi> <!-- Message sent by User:Udehb-WMF@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Udehb-WMF/sandbox/MM_target_Wikisource&oldid=29066664 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Temporary accounts will be rolled out soon</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="body"/> Hello, we are the Wikimedia Foundation [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity|Product Safety and Integrity]] team. We would like to announce that '''we plan to enable [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] for this wiki in the week of September 1'''. Temporary accounts are successfully live on 30 wikis, including many large ones like German, Japanese, and French. The change they bring is especially relevant to logged-out editors, who this feature is designed to protect. But it is also relevant to community members like mentors, patrollers, and admins – anyone who reverts edits, blocks users, or otherwise interacts with logged-out editors as part of keeping the wikis safe and accurate. '''Why we are building temporary accounts''' Our wikis should be safer to edit by default for logged-out editors. Temporary accounts allow people to continue editing the wikis without creating an account, while avoiding publicly tying their edits to their IP address. We believe this is in the best interest of our logged-out editors, who make valuable contributions to the wikis and who may later create accounts and grow our community of editors, admins, and other roles. Even though the wikis do warn logged-out editors that their IP address will be associated with their edit, many people may not understand what an IP address is, or that it could be used to connect them to other information about them in ways they might not expect. Additionally, our moderation software and tools rely too heavily on network origin (IP addresses) to identify users and patterns of activity, especially as IP addresses themselves are becoming less stable as identifiers. Temporary accounts allow for more precise interactions with logged-out editors, including more precise blocks, and can help limit how often we unintentionally end up blocking good-faith users who use the same IP addresses as bad-faith users. '''How temporary accounts work''' [[File:Temporary account banner and empty talk page.png|thumb]] Any time a logged-out user publishes an edit on this wiki, a cookie will be set in this user's browser, and a temporary account tied with this cookie will be automatically created. This account's name will follow the pattern: <code dir=ltr>~2025-12345-67</code> (a tilde, current year, a number). On pages like Recent Changes or page history, this name will be displayed. The cookie will expire 90 days after its creation. As long as it exists, all edits made from this device will be attributed to this temporary account. It will be the same account even if the IP address changes, unless the user clears their cookies or uses a different device or web browser. A record of the IP address used at the time of each edit will be stored for 90 days after the edit. However, only some logged-in users will be able to see it. '''What does this mean for different groups of users?''' 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In comparison, an IP address can be shared with different devices and people (for example, different people at school or at work might have the same IP address). * Compared to the current situation, it will be safer to assume that a temporary user's talk page belongs to only one person, and messages left there will be read by them. As you can see in the screenshot, temporary account users will receive notifications. It will also be possible to thank them for their edits, ping them in discussions, and invite them to get more involved in the community. 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Thank you!<section end="body" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:user:NKohli (WMF)|NKohli (WMF)]], [[m:user:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]]</bdi> 21:36, 26 Augusti 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Quiddity_(WMF)/sandbox6&oldid=29181713 --> == All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae == I was looking for templates/formulae by looking at <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> All pages in [[Liber:Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Many (all?) pages in [[Liber:Gallia Christiana, 1715, T1.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki>, like article [[Gallia Christiana 1715 01/Epistola2]] These all use [[Formula:Sidenotes begin]]. There is one "[https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&oldid=79709&diff=cur pending change]" on this template. But that change puts the category outside the noinclude. ::<nowiki></noinclude></nowiki> ::<nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Please either reject the change or move the categoria line. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 04:17, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], I don't think anyone from the admins is monitoring or actioning pending changes currently. (see discussions re admin queues above.) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 05:29, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Shenme}} {{done}} I excluded the categories. {{ping|JimKillock}} no blame but be careful next time, categories should always be excluded. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:28, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|VIGNERON}} It wasn't @JimKillock who made [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&diff=next&oldid=79709 the problematic change], but someone else [[Usor:Ceciliawolf]]. I noticed the problem, he included the problem a list that got your attention. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 02:46, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Shenme}} yes, but [[Special:Diff/236794]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 06:57, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Request for admin status == Hi all, given that we have quite a lot of admin requests (mostly relating to "pending" changes), I would like to request administrator status so that some of these can be cleared. If anyone else wants to step up to help out, that would also be welcome. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:23, 1 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Ping to @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], @[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]]:, @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]]:, @[[Usor:Candalua|Candalua]]: in case you feel able to support my request. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:57, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Hi {{U|JimKillock}}, ::I apparently missed it, where do we have « a lot of admin requests » ? ::That said, one more admin is always good, so create the request and I'll support it. ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:34, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::Hi @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]], :::Thank you! On the admin requests, on this page, here are these :::* [[#All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae]] :::* [[#It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace]] (which you have replied to) :::* [[#Navigation and validation]] :::* [[#Administrator backlog?]] :::* [[#Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s)]] (altho this has been worked around and may not be needed) :::Most of these relate to the ''Pending changes'' backlog in various ways; two are requests for new features / modules to be ported across. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks, I see. It doesn't look like a lot to me, I'll try to deal with it today. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:27, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thank you @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] :) You could also take a look at the pending changes on [[Formula:Pagina_prima/Novae_Aetatis]] and [[Moriae encomium]]. The really big job is going through [[Specialis:PendingChanges|pending changes]] altogether - I understand there is a five year backlog. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:36, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::I see... I had a quick look and all changes seem good. Do we even need this extension on Wikisource? Also, if we keep it, I guess we need more reviewers rather than admins (more admins would be useful too, but that's a separate point). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 10:35, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Of course, the request needs to be supported; without active administrators it is very inconvenient. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:21, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::What do you need us to do? BTW, it would be great to know why edits require administrator approvals. Sorry, but I‘m afraid this makes contributing almost pointless. Many thanks for your help, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 14:15, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::So there are two reasons it would be helpful for me to be an admin; one is if we carry on with the approval system (it looks like we will not) and the other is around updating or adding certain components, modules for example. There may be other tasks I am not aware of that I could help with, but these are the ones I know about. Implementing Portal pages for example needs some work by an admin AIUI. :::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] your question re edits needing approval is [[#Do_we_need_to_approve_changes_to_pages|addressed below, here]]. :::In terms of what you / others need to do, it seems that if there is a consensus to allow me administrator permissions, then a bueaucrat user would implement it (I mistakenly opening a request at meta, and they referred me back here); so we just need to have your views, yes, no, maybe, etc. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:01, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::The page [[Vicifons:Magistratus]], intended for promotion, seems to be protected; I couldn't edit it (''petitio grapheocrat'''ae''''') and add a category ([[:Categoria:Usores]]). [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:23, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thanks, it seems editable now so I [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Petitio_magistratus|added my request there]], if anyone wants to support it. Regarding ''grapheocrates -ae'', how is this declined? Is it otherwise treated as a masculine first declension? Thinking it ought to be added to Wiktionary as it is missing from there. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:00, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::This is [https://archive.org/details/calepinusnovus2002/calepinusnovus2002-french-latin/page/n23/mode/1up?q=grapheocrates from Licoppe and Eichenseer]. Yes, this can be added to Wiktionary, I have no experience editing there. Thanks for the corrections, today the system let me in, but yesterday for some unknown reason it didn’t let me in. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:53, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::Thank you and no problem. I can add to Wiktionary I hope; is the plural therefore ''grapheocratae''; and is the singular ''grapheocrates'' or ''grapheocrata''? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:14, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Yes, of course. They took the Modern Greek word γραφειοκράτης. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:41, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::::Great, after a bit of struggle that is at [[:en:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] and [[:la:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:43, 7 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace == It would require someone with interface admin status to create [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index data config.json]] to replace the current index form parameters ([[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index attributes|very old system]]) with special care to not mass delete information by unadvertedly changing some parameter's name. [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config.json Example from the English Wikisource]. If someone wants to help, please contact me. Regards! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 02:10, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]], potentially - if I have admin status :) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:54, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Ignacio Rodríguez}} I did a test (by copy-pasting the English page), it works, so no need to be interface admin, being admin is enough. ::I only half understand that paramater page, could you give me the actual content expected ? ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:38, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::I don't remember all the details but I worked on that page in the Spanish Wikisource almost a decade ago. I'll make a mockup in the talk page, but I can't promise to get all the Latin words right. For ease, parameter names and help tooltips will be in English internally, but they will show in Latin in the form. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::This was added and it now works perfectly. Thanks! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:25, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Do we need to approve changes to pages == Hi all, Moving the discussion regarding the backlog at [[Specialis:PendingChanges]]: @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] asks whether we need to have this feature. I suspect it was switched on because of spam, vandalism, or some other similar issue. Without it we might need to be keeping an eye on recent changes. I am not sure how the proteccted changes permissions works, or whether permissions to make approvals to changes can be delegated more widely. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Changes to pages affecting project *function* must be controlled. But it seems that Pending Changes doesn't actually stop changes to something like a template/formula from having effect? See my report about <nowiki>Formula:Sidenotes begin</nowiki> above. :And checking a couple of the other initial items in [[Specialis:PendingChanges]], it seems that all pending changes are actually immediately applied to active, visible pages. :So Pending Changes <u>does not prevent damage</u> to the project. It is <u>merely a tracking and notification method?</u> :That can be useful, but requires a set of people to be change reviewers. And changes to subject matter would seem to require reviewers knowledgeable about the subject? :And when changes affect *function*, like templates, who can review and approve those? I'd think only admins. :The link to monitoring Recent Changes is undeniable. I monitor Recent Changes often at Spanish Wikisource because I've seen the random damage people can do. That is the only way to react quickly to damage. (?) But then that assumes people are checking lists frequently, at least daily. :Neither Pending Changes or monitoring Recent Changes prevent damage. They can be only part of a solution to damage. I don't know what to think about Pending Changes ''in isolation''. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 03:48, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} I've got mainly two points : ::* vandlism is low to inexistant on la.ws (and it's already low on most Wikisources), making this extension useless and even problematic. Because it doesn't prevent changes but it prevents them to be effective. ::** Apparently the reason to install is [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_VII#protection_of_completed_works_-_Flagged_Revisions_as_an_alternative?]] ::* this extension is actually caleld [[mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs]] and it's deprecated for years (see [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_XI#Futrue_of_FlaggedRevs_(Pending_Changes)_extension]] or the warning on the extension itself « Flagged Revisions is complex, poorly documented, very clunky, and not recommended for production use »). Also, people on Wikisource don't seem to really master or even using it (including the reviewers rights). Maybe it's aan opportunity to list exactly what we need and find a new extension that fit these needs. ::In the end, I see a lot of cons and only a few pros... ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:35, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :I haven't seen any vandalism here in years. But if you fix the errors, the "Pending Changes" status means that the fixes will only be visible to registered users. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:10, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} many thanks for your replies. I must admit that I’m an occasional Wikisource (or even Wikipedia contributor). I essentially (or exclusively) contribute corrections. :Some days ago, I wanted to download an ePub file for the [[Noctes Atticae]] (to do some regexp searches), but the export was wrong. I tried to modify the code (which I have done successfully for the Greek Wikisource many times) and I found out that I needed a ''nihil obstat'' (I’m afraid this would be way to name it). :Of course, I’m the least interested in vandalism (either contributing it myself, or being any collaborative project being infested/polluted by it). But I think there should be a way of distinguishing between vandalism and non-hardcore (or occasional) contributors. :I don’t know any perfect system, but it should be worth considering a mixed approach. Approval could be required for: already flagged users (for vandalism) and recent users (how about a five-year publishing embargo?). :Only to mention a case, my [https://el.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Συμπόσιον_(Πλάτων)&diff=prev&oldid=49677 first contribution to the Greek Wiksource] was in 2012. I don’t know for how long I have been registered in Wikimedia (I guess this was before 2010). :This isn’t about myself, the issue here is that Wikisource needs contributions to even exist (not to mention for its growth). If no regular user is allowed to contribute without approval, cooperation is basically non-existing. :Even with approval, the reply times are incredibly slow (because of the system). It is not that attention spans are getting shorter, time is the most scarce resource we all are (and I don’t have weeks or months to see whether I’m allowed to have [[Noctes Atticae]] as ePub). :Sorry, the sentence in parentheses isn’t a complaint. Please, do as you please, but my contribution is: consider that you might be making contributions way harder, project growth way slower and administrators’ roles way more complicated (probably, than they could and should be). :Many thanks for your help and your project, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 17:15, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think there is consensus we can switch this off. Let me know if I can help in any way if you think it's time to switch it off. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:25, 4 Octobris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks for the reminder and agreed for removal, so I created a task on Phabricator here : [[Phab:T406424]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:42, 5 Octobris 2025 (UTC) ::::Thanks for filing this @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] , the Wikimedia tech team seem to have finished their work on this now! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:16, 18 Octobris 2025 (UTC) == Index page error "Error: Invalid interval" == I am getting an error: at [[:Liber:Nos in schola latine loquimur - Ars latine loquendi.pdf]] "Error: Invalid interval" for the paginae listing; even when set to <code><nowiki><pagelist 1=1 /></nowiki></code>. Any clues appreciated! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:48, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :This might be the infamous "0x0 bug" that has plagued Wikisource for two? three? years. Normally it resolves doing a purge in both the file page in Commons and in the local Wikisource. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 19:34, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Thanks, that seems to b working now. 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I am helping with this as well. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:01, 12 Maii 2026 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Vote now in the 2026 U4C election</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="announcement-content" /> Eligible voters are asked to participate in the 2026 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee]] election. More information–including an eligibility check, voting process information, candidate information, and a link to the vote–are available on Meta at the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Election/2026|2026 Election information page]]. The vote closes on 2 June 2026 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1780358400 00:00 UTC]. Please vote if your account is eligible. Results will be available by 14 June 2026. -- In cooperation with the U4C,<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 17:15, 27 Maii 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=30513860 --> == Formula:FI == {{tl|FI}} is currently broken and ignores the {{para|width}} param. All images are set to the default size, which is usually very large, like in [[Lirica (Ariosto)]]. [[Usor:Trooper57|Trooper57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Trooper57|disputatio]]) 21:06, 31 Maii 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, I guess we should check how it is behaving in the Italian wiki(s)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:16, 7 Iunii 2026 (UTC) == Copyright problem? Appropriate for here? == What is going on here? * [[Scriptor:Coronus_Tenebrosius]] * [[Contemplationes_Metaphysicae]] * [[Puteus_Chaosi]] * [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius]] No statement of copyright. No proof of authorship. paginae vanitatis ? [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 08:24, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Cum iure auctoris problemata non habebimus, si auctor ipse opera exponit. Et si delere consilium capiemus, [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Saumache|magistratus non habemus]], qui hoc faciant. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:37, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :<blockquote>'''Salvete.''' '''Nomen meum est Krunoslav Mrkoci, et ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' est interpretatio nominis mei in linguam Latinam, id est identitas mea Latina.''' '''Confirmo me ipsum auctorem esse omnium operum hic editorum. Opera primum Croatice scripta sunt, hic autem in versione Latina proposita.''' '''Praeterea fere omnia opera mea iam antea Croatice edita sunt in forma typographica. Id praesertim ad carmina mea pertinet, quae primum anno 1998 in libello iuvenili edita sunt, deinde in variis commentariis typis impressis, inter quos eminenter numeratur periodicum litterarium, culturalis et scientificum ''Riječi'' (Latine: ''Verba''), quod bis delectum e carminibus meis protulit.''' '''Item magna pars commentationum aliarumque prosarum, quae hic in linguam Latinam conversa sunt, iam antea et typis et forma electronica in Croatia divulgata est.''' Quaeso ut attendatis ad paginam meam in Wikidata, ubi tam sub nomine Croatico ''Krunoslav Mrkoci'' quam sub nomine Latino ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' ut auctor operum meorum inscriptus sum. Gratias ago pro lectione. '''Coronus Tenebrosius'''.</blockquote> [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius|Coronus Tenebrosius]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Coronus Tenebrosius|disputatio]]) 12:23, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) == Copying some templates from the English Wikisource == Hello, Would someone please be able to help me get [[s:en:Template:ppoem|en:Template:ppoem]], [[s:en:blackletter|en:blackletter]], [[s:en:Template:he|en:Template:he]], and [[s:en:Template:grc|en:Template:grc]] available to use on this Wikisource, so I can utilize them here? For the blackletter, I've tried [[Formula:Gothica|Gothica]], but that doesn't seem to be rendering properly. Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 00:04, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] I made the shortcut for [[Formula:Graeca]]. You should not need any administror rights to do anything you need, I'll take a look into it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 09:46, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Blackletter is already here, [[:Formula:Gothica]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:57, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Hi! @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]], thanks! Just for clarification, do I need to make the template pages in Latin, or is it alright to copy them in English? Also, @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], I mentioned this above, but for some reason, the Gothica template isn't working for me. See [[Pagina:Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf/15]], for example. Any idea why that might be the case? [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 16:16, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] This wiki lacks proper guidelines and recommendations, I would prefer if you translated the template's name, e.g., [[Formula:spatium]] rather than [[Formula:spatio]] but given the international nature of the project (nobody's mother tongue is Latin) best practice should be to add translated names as shortcuts/redirects. Beware adding templates that are already on the wiki under a different name ([[Formula:grc]] was already at [[Formula:Graeca]]). I took a quick look and it seems the fonts used by the blackletter template are not installed on the wiki; the same template does not seem to work on the French Wikisource either. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 17:40, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::Maybe we have sufficient powers to add the fonts now? Or we can ask someone with additional permissions to do so. But yes I remember now this has been a long standing problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:54, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::[https://yaytext.com/fraktur/ This converter] 𝔠𝔬𝔫𝔳𝔢𝔯𝔱𝔰 𝔩𝔢𝔱𝔱𝔢𝔯𝔰 𝔱𝔬 𝔉𝔯𝔞𝔨𝔱𝔲𝔯 (because it exists in Unicode as separate characters). <s>However, I'm not sure if such text can be found using a regular search.</s> No, Wikipedia search finds it. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:48, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::I looked into using the converter, but I'm running into the issue of lack of compatibility with {{[[Formula:Ls|Ls]]}}. Would it be better to just wait for the font to be added? Do we have any idea when that will happen/who needs to be contacted for that to happen? ::::Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 19:34, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::::These Unicode characters don't feel right on my labtop, they have heigth issues among other things. I went and asked on two different wikis about the fonts, I will come back to you when I get some answers. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 19:41, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :[[Formula:Poema recte formatum]] or [[Formula:Ppoem]] now work, altho there's issues with the documentation page. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:52, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 21:20, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{tl|blackletter}} was not working for me, even after locally installing UnifrakturMaguntia from Google fonts, until I restarted my web browser, which also followed my rebooting. Also, it can't be just any gothic/blackletter font, but must be one of these Fraktur fonts: UnifrakturMaguntia UnifrakturCook Unifraktur. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 21:19, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{ping|Demetrius Talpa|JimKillock|Erblanchard57}} Fonts are downloaded locally, you need to go to Modi/Praeferentiae > Proprietates > Sermonis delectus > Plura > Scripturae and toggle "Download fonts when needed". The option seems not to be that easy to toggle on by default. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 10:56, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, great. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:09, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you very much! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 15:57, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::English WS seems to pull the font in from a repository. I've copied over the module ULS, css etc, would be good to know if it has made any difference. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::{{blackletter|fraktur}} etc [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I just deactivated the "download fonts when needed" option for a second to see if it would work without it, and it still doesn't. 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Every page now has the "Proofread" status, except that a few are also "Validated". I expect it will take quite a while before the whole book gets that second read, if it ever will. My question: is it already acceptable to transclude the text into the main namespace at this stage, even though most pages are only single-proofread rather than validated? Or is there a convention on this Wikisource that a work should be fully validated before merging onto the mainspace? Gratias vobis ago pro consiliis vestris. [[Usor:Sakvaka|Sakvaka]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Sakvaka|disputatio]]) 09:16, 25 Iulii 2026 (UTC) :Of course, this is acceptable; the texts there are of very different quality. Besides, transclusion slightly increases the chances that someone will find it for re-examination. 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Pittacium idcirco e pagina detraxi. --[[Usor:Grufo|Grufo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Grufo|disputatio]]) 20:50, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Nam eaedem quidem editiones sunt, quibusdam minusculis in maiusculas versis litteris formaque apostropharum solum differunt. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 21:08, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default == Hi @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] and others, I noticed that [[:Formula:Littera s longa]] has been changed so that <nowiki>{{s}}</nowiki> produces ſ rather than s by default. This is in contrast to for example English Wikipedia which allows it as a user option, but assumes it is "s" by default. For other formulae, eg {{um}}, {{us}}, {{que}}, etc these are "off" by default. Likewise {{ae}}, {{oe}} I believe are off by default currently. There various ways that this can work, for example: * we could provide a user switch for either state per symbol, etc (with JS, as per EN.WS) * we can provide advice about applying fonts, etc, that can set ſ, ae/oe ligatures, etc, through css preferences * CSS can specify some of this per book (not all ligatures, eg {{que}} can be applied through CSS, and it depends on installed fonts in some cases) * we ''might'' be able to apply a default javascript switch behaviour per book rather than sitewide I don't have a massive preference for s over ſ, or ae / oe over or æ / œ ; but we should I think at least allow users to easily switch, especially re ſ if it is the default. Just throwing it out there for discussion, to see what the general feeling / preference would be. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:40, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :I lacked the rights to have it be toggled on and off through a gadget, we should ask interface administrators to do it, that should be the best way about it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 22:45, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] Take a look to itwikisource gadget "memoRegex". It allows to save and share nsIntex-specific, customable sets of regex or plain substitutions, and it has been recently refined by @Candalua (a great job!). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 10:39, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Portal pages == Hi all, I'd like to suggest we create a few "Portal" pages for some key topics, so we can detail what is good and why rather than just provide category pages. There's a need for a page for introductory Latin, for example, which could explain levels of suitability of texts. See also [[#Navigation and validation]] above To do this, we need community consensus to add a namespace, and then, it is done through a request at Phabricator. The namespace would define what this group of pages were called eg [[Portus:Index]] and also the name of the "Disputatio" (discussion) pages. Please let me know if you agree with this proposal or not, so we can demonstrate consensus for the change to be made. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:50, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :cc @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]]@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:12, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::I consent to the proposal, though I am not sure about the translation 'Portus'. I think that 'Aditus' would better suit this usecase, since from portals users will be able to 'adire' the relevant pages. P.S. Out of curiosity I have checked the dictionary of A. Perugini, and he translates 'portale' as 'porta principalis. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:31, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Ok, sure (regardless, the Vicifons namespace could be used meanwhile to do some testing for the content). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 12:25, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::Ok (even if I'm a inactive admin... :-( ) [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 12:55, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::I totatlly agree! - [[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:OrbiliusMagister|disputatio]]) 13:28, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] By the way, it would be nice if you could [[Vicifons:Scriptorium#Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default|check this out]]! [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 20:53, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Wikiversity was originally intended for educational purposes. But a portal can be created here too. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:00, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I think it would be best to take inspiration from [[:w:la]], at least for the vocabulary. This would: :* provide a vocabulary and structure people may be well acquainted with already :* facilitate our work, not having to find the proper terms for ourselves :* have some sort of continuity between Latin projects :I had started doing this for documentation templates, as they where copied as is from [[:en:Wikisource]]. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 20:50, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::Sure, what do you mean in practice? Does W:la have a phrase for Portal? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 21:29, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::I must say I don't really understand what you precisely intend to put on these pages and why they could not be of the Vicifons namespace. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 00:35, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::It's probably done on En:ws so that search works across portals and mainspace pages but not advice pages; or that search in advice pages does not include results from mainspace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:37, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::Here are some ideas for core pages, following nomenclature used by [[:w:la]] and [[:en:Wikisource]] (names are not definite): :::::* [[Vicifons:De stilo]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Style guide]]) including: titles and their capitalization, use of Roman/Arabic numerals, use of classifiers before numbers (liber, carmen, etc.); regularization of spelling (in non-facsimile pages), anchors, etc. :::::* [[Vicifons:Qualitas paginarum]] :::::* [[Vicifons:De categoriis]] :::::* [[Vicifons:De fontibus]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Sources]]) about how and where, or how not and where not, to find good sources, the fact that most pages don't have sources or are copied from bad sources, e.g., The Latin Library, how to recify this, etc. :::::And help pages: :::::* [[Auxilium:De digitizationem textorum imaginumque ad usum Vicifontis]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Help:Digitising texts and images for Wikisource]]) :::::* etc. :::::I'd be happy to batch something for [[Vicifons:De stilo]], as I think it is really needed. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 13:01, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::I agree, a style guide is badly needed. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:20, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I have sketched something up in my [[Usor:Saumache/Pagina cerata|sandbox]], rules are based on common practices of this wiki and personal preferences, please add rules, comments, sections, etc. without removing anything for the moment: we may discuss any of it on a dedicated discussion page. If my process isn't right and you think or know we sould do this some other way, please tell me. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 16:06, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Quae hucusque scripsisti, mihi bona videntur. Just a minor thing: the slash at the end of the link should not be included: it should be <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I]]</nowiki></code> and not <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>. The rules 'de titulis paginarum' will be particularly useful for the classical works on Wikisource, since they are a mess in this regard. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:25, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::This mostly looks good to me, although I would emphasise keeping to the orthography, numbering style, of the original texts. We are a source project after all. Variance across transcriptions is fine, but changing the source style to a project style should be kept to the minimum. All that said, in my view it's also OK to allow variances per transcription project, not least as they can be copied and re-done as people wish. ::::::::I very much agree about encouraging people to use good sources, and preferably to link them via a transcription process so they can be verified. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:11, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::I suppose the ligatures bit is potentially controversial. I've built a system for my own transcriptions to toggle many scribal conventions on and off, eg & for early modern books; see ''[[De Principe]]'' for example. Some of these would be considered ligatures. My rationale is that it allows for preservation of the original orthography and presentation of a more modern version for everyday use. As for search, tho, doing this for some characters eg q; will cause a cost to some searching. But ae / oe are usually or often not a problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:20, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::On Vicipaedia portals are simply combined [[:w:la:Categoria:Portae|into a category]]; it is not necessary to ask the Phabricator. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 08:19, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::<small>The link you have sent is actually a category of pages about city gates (lat. ''portae''). Though,</small> It is true that we can still write portal pages without a dedicated namespace, and just group them with templates and categories. For example on German wikisource there is no author namespace, they just have an [[:de:Kategorie:Autoren|'author' category]]. It is an idea that is worth considering. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:38, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::We [[:w:la:Categoria:Portae Vicipaedianae|renamed it]] yesterday. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 16:57, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) 389v0p1b9sbaeaa036xoskdiqdd4arf 276996 276980 2026-08-22T21:23:16Z Saumache 27923 /* Portal pages */ Reply 276996 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ <!--- __NOTOC__ --->[[Categoria:Vicifons|Scriptorium]] {{Intraincepti |w= Vicipaedia:Taberna |q= Vicicitatio:Taberna |commons: <!-- Communia --> |b= Vicilibri:Porta Communis |wikt= Victionarium:Taberna |m= <!-- Meta --> |wikispecies= <!-- Vicispecies --> |n= <!-- Vicinuntii --> }} <div class="toccolours" style="text-align:center; font-size:14pt; background:#eef; color:navy; "> Hac pagina scriptorium Vicifontis est.<br /> <small><small>Nunc iam sunt '''{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}''' paginae. Hodie '''{{CURRENTDAYNAME}}, {{CURRENTDAY}} {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTYEAR}}'''.</small></small> </div> <br /> {{center| '''(DE)''' Neue Nachrichten dürfen auf Latein, Französisch, Englisch oder Italienisch gestellt werden.<br /> '''(EN)''' You can write a new message in Latin, French, English or Italian.<br /> '''(FR)''' Vous pouvez écrire en latin, en français, en italien ou en anglais.<br /> '''(IT)''' Potete scrivere in latino, italiano, francese o inglese.<br /> '''(ALIAE)''' ''Aliis linguis uti potes, sed noli iubere nos facile eas intellegere'' }} <br /> <div style="margin: 0 0em; border: 1px dashed blue; padding: 3px; text-align: center; background: #eef"> '''[http://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Vicifons:Scriptorium&action=edit&section=new Quaestio nova]''' <br /> ''Ut sententias antiquiores legas vide [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera]]'' </div> <br /> {| class="WSerieV" id="WBistro" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="padding: 0.3em; float:right; margin-left: 1em; border: 1px solid #999; border-right-width: 2px; border-bottom-width: 2px; background:#fff0ff; text-align:center" |[[Image:Forum-de-César.jpg|right|210px]] |- |style="padding: 0.5em; font-family: sans-serif"| '''Scriptorium Vicifontis'''<br/> ---- |- |style="padding: 0.3em; font-family: sans-serif; background-color: #e4e4c9; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0"|'''Alia scriptoria''' |- |style="padding: 0.3em; line-height: 1.5em"| '''[[w:la:Vicipaedia:Taberna|Vicipaedia:Taberna]]'''<br /> '''[[q:la:Vicicitatio:Taberna|Vicicitatio:Taberna]]'''<br /> '''[[wikt:la:Victionarium:Taberna|Victionarium:Taberna]]'''<br /> |} <!-- Interwiki liks moved to the top of the discussion since button "Quaestio nova" appends new entries to physical end of this page --> <!-- Interwiki links --> [[mul:Wikisource:Scriptorium]] <!-- Interwiki links --> __TOC__ == IMPORTANT: Admin activity review == Hello. 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Fortunately, the list of changes made since the import of on Wikisource can be found [https://web.archive.org/web/20240122025223/https://vulsearch.sourceforge.net/clemtext.rss here]. There is also [https://bitbucket.org/clementinetextproject/text/downloads/ a repository] (although I am not sure if it is up to date). I have no experience in programming or making imports. So, could someone please update the text of [[Vulgata Clementina]] of Wikisource to use the latest version of ''The Clementine Vulgate Project''? [[Usor:Veverve|Veverve]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Veverve|disputatio]]) 10:01, 23 Februarii 2025 (UTC) :@[[Usor:Ser be etre shi|Ser be etre shi]] Are you able to help with this? Ping in case so. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:27, 3 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :@[[Usor:Veverve|Veverve]] Just checking these look like quite a small number of changes, is that right? It may be easiest to do these manually. 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In cooperation with the U4C -- <section end="announcement-content" /> </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 03:41, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)</div> <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s) == On EN wikisource, they have a template <nowiki>{{longs}}</nowiki> to produce ''ſ'' on the transcription page, and by default, ''s'' on the ebook page. users on EN WS can toggle these on and off. In this book, [[:la:Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']], there are a number of unusual characters that could do with toggling: ''ſ (s); ß (ss); ẽ (en / em) ũ (un / um) æ (ae) ę (ae) õ (on / om) ã (an / am) œ (oe)''. ([[:formula:ls]] already exists here for ſ, and some other characters semi-implemented at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] but the toggling is not switched on.) In order to implement this: (1) What would LA WiCategoria:Formulae litterarumkisource need to enable for user toggling of special characters? (2) Who would I contact (assuming this is an admin task)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:06, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :It looks like it would need this installing, as a start: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js|MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:13, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|OrbiliusMagister}} as the only active magister! --[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:16, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|SZC 03}} in case you have an opinion (you made changes at the De Pricipia transcription project which we could implement better with this toggle feature). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:31, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::I would like to point out that not all of the listed characters are of the same kind: ::* ſ is a variant of s; ::* ß, æ and œ are [[:w:en:Ligature (writing)|ligatures]] of ſs, ae and oe respectively ([[:w:en:E caudata|ę]] can represent both ae or oe); ::* ã, ẽ, õ, ũ are used to indicate [[:w:en:Scribal abbreviation|abbreviations]]. ::Personally I think it would be somewhat useful to implement the toggle feature only for æ and œ, since of all the ligatures they are the only ones that carry some meaning (that ae or oe in that word is a diphthong) and the only ones that easily show up in search results and correctly displayed in web-browsers. ::Note that both English and Italian wikisources in their transcription guidelines take in consideration the ability of both modern readers and search engines to correctly interpret the character shown (see [[:en:Wikisource:Style guide/Orthography]] and [[:it:Wikisource:Convenzioni di trascrizione]]). Though it would be useful to write rules specific to the Latin wikisource. ::I hope these considerations were of any help. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 07:58, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) ::In regards to the [[Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']] it would be appropriate to encode the text in a way that we do not lose your work of accurately transcribing the above characters, while still showing to the end user a normalized form. My edit was trying to achieve this with the templates currently in wikisource. ::From a technical standpoint, it would be useful to have a general template not specific to any character that could be used both in ''ad hoc'' situations, and in creating other templates. ::Also if such a template is created for abbreviations it should behave differently from the long s and ligatures, since 1) the text displayed is context dependent, and 2) it is common use in diplomatic transcriptions to show the abbreviated characters in parentheses (so I were taught in paleography class). ::To give an example of point 2 from the text ([[Pagina:Nicolaus_Machiavellus_De_Principe.pdf/69|page 45]], line 11): ::Original text: Iãq́ꝫ ::Diplomatic transcription: Ia(m)q(ue) ::Standard transcription: Iamque ::I’m sorry for the lengthy comments. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:02, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I agree something adhoc would be helpful. The template would need to specify :::* the text as-is and :::* the modernised version :::and hopefully there would be a system to pick up which to display. :::In terms of the display: this could be the js system, perhaps adapted, that we have on en.ws, or possibly it could be an adjustment to the page templates set up, to allow two different books, or sets of pages, to be presented. This would have the advantage that exports would facilitate both (IDK but suspect that exports support the default rather than user choice). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 15:48, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I have set out this information in a [[Usor:JimKillock/Orthography|table]] including information about dictionary lookups and likely search engine issues. In short, from a user perspective, all the characters can be problematic, but æ and œ work within Alpheios for dictionary lookups, so are a bit more tolerable than the others from a default perspective. However I think it is useful tobe able to see and use the originals for some people, eg those practicing reading Renaissance scans etc; or researchers or academics looking to use source texts. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:09, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|Alex brollo}}, {{ping|VIGNERON}}, {{ping|Candalua}} in case you can help. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:38, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] Interesting question. I'll take a look to the ensource template to understand how it works (I hope it is not based on javascript). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 06:18, 1 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I’m afraid it is based on javascript: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] :::To see the button you have to enable the [[:en:Help:Gadget-Visibility|Visibility gadget]]. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:12, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] checking in whether we can implement this, or find another solution. I am holding off further changes until I know how to proceed - but I am sure there should be a way to do this! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:40, 19 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::Noting this question comes up again at [[:Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] (I have [[Disputatio Libri:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|left a note there]]). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:08, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::OK, I have developed templates as this is holding up other people's work. I have based each template on the existing [[:formula:ls]], and avoid duplicating those that already exist using the same method at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]]. Meantime if anyone has further thoughts about using Visibility Gadget or going another way, I would be very grateful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:02, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] I have made a very basic template for flexible character switching at [[Formula:Scr]]; this returns the first entry on the book page, and the second in main space, eg <nowiki>{{scr|qꝫ|que}}</nowiki> would work the same as <nowiki>{{que}}</nowiki>. :::::However there is advice on ENWS not to use characters but use HTML entities for CSS reasons, so it is probably better for users to use specific templates. For example, I also created <nowiki>{{po}}</nowiki> which allows a user to decide what it might best represent, eg <nowiki>{{po|;}} or {{po|?}}</nowiki>. :::::In general, using set templates like <nowiki>{{que}}, {{em}}, {{um}}, {{etc}}</nowiki> is much easier for proofing, so I think I will continue to add these where it seems useful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:29, 24 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Hi folks, so that you know, I have made something of a workaround to be able to enable these features, which works well enough for me. I will perhaps add some guidance somewhere. What I have done: ::::::# Installed the font Garamontio, as it has the qꝫ character, and all the possible ligatures ::::::# Created custom css to apply Garamontio to Wikisource as a whole; at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.css]]; and ::::::# Created (vibecoded) custom javascript at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.js]] ::::::The second script looks for the various spans with the css style typographic-long-s, and replaces the characters as appropriate. This seems to work surprisingly well, Garamontio does all of the discretionary ligatures etc, and is a very well designed font (fork of EB Garamond, with some extra touches useful here). The issue is of course that this applies to the whole of Latin Wikisource all of the time. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:35, 25 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], reading this I wanted to tell you that you could apply styles to a index page, but I see you have already figured it out. Kudos on your progress. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 09:56, 9 Iulii 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Thanks @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]]; my list of scribal transformations has got quite long tho. And I need to check on the possible logic of it, some needs to hide and unhide, rather than search and replace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:27, 11 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == We will be enabling the new Charts extension on your wiki soon! == ''(Apologies for posting in English)'' Hi all! We have good news to share regarding the ongoing problem with graphs and charts affecting all wikis that use them. As you probably know, the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|old Graph extension]] was disabled in 2023 [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/EWL4AGBEZEDMNNFTM4FRD4MHOU3CVESO/|due to security reasons]]. We’ve worked in these two years to find a solution that could replace the old extension, and provide a safer and better solution to users who wanted to showcase graphs and charts in their articles. We therefore developed the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Charts extension]], which will be replacing the old Graph extension and potentially also the [[:mw:Extension:EasyTimeline|EasyTimeline extension]]. After successfully deploying the extension on Italian, Swedish, and Hebrew Wikipedia, as well as on MediaWiki.org, as part of a pilot phase, we are now happy to announce that we are moving forward with the next phase of deployment, which will also include your wiki. The deployment will happen in batches, and will start from '''May 6'''. Please, consult [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|our page on MediaWiki.org]] to discover when the new Charts extension will be deployed on your wiki. 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We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation. You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. 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The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats. The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4]. Here are the key planned dates: * May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6] * June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates * July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5] * August 2025: Campaign period * August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period * October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates * Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]]. '''Call for Questions''' In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]] '''Election Volunteers''' Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]] Thank you! [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results [2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter [3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024 [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates Best regards, Victoria Doronina Board Liaison to the Elections Committee Governance Committee<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 03:08, 28 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:RamzyM (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Administrator backlog? == Hi there, I am noticing a lot of pages that say that the current version is not checked; and versions I have amended are not (apparently) displayed because they need approval. Am I right in assuming this is due to a lack of (active) administrator time? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:53, 30 Maii 2025 (UTC) :Relatedly @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] / @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] / other admins, [[Colloquia familiaria]] has an old index page and other old sub pages which could do with changes being approved. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:58, 12 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::Ping on this, some of the sub pages are quite broken. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:42, 28 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :I have tried to fix the lack of text in ePub export for [[Noctes Atticae]]. :Unfortunately, it seems that all my submissions require approval (last approval seems to have taken place more than five years ago). :Is there any way to have <code>class="ws-export"</code> to the second <code>&lt;table&gt;</code> from [[Noctes Atticae]]? :Many thanks for your help, [[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 19:09, 15 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] Checking you know this is working now [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:21, 18 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Vote now in the 2025 U4C Election == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> Apologies for writing in English. {{Int:Please-translate}} Eligible voters are asked to participate in the 2025 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee]] election. More information–including an eligibility check, voting process information, candidate information, and a link to the vote–are available on Meta at the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Election/2025|2025 Election information page]]. The vote closes on 17 June 2025 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1750161600 12:00 UTC]. Please vote if your account is eligible. Results will be available by 1 July 2025. -- In cooperation with the U4C, [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 23:01, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28848819 --> == Mnemonics Book in Latin == Dear all, Over the past month, with the help of others, I’ve been compiling a list of older and often overlooked books on mnemonic techniques available on [[:en:Portal:Mnemonics|Wikisource English]]. Many of these works—some dating back decades or even centuries—offer fascinating insights into how memory has been understood, trained, and improved across different cultures and time periods. I've recently added a new section to the portal: "Multilingual Works on Mnemonic Techniques." This is in part because several of the English-language texts reference related works in other languages, particularly Latin. Unfortunately, many of these referenced works are written in Classical Latin, and my ability to work with them is quite limited—I’ve done what I can, but they remain largely inaccessible to me. If anyone has expertise in Classical Latin and might be willing to help with these texts, your assistance would be greatly appreciated. * ''[[:la:Foenix|Foenix]] by [[w:en:Peter of Ravenna|Peter of Ravenna]]'' (1491) * ''[[:la:Congestorium Artificiose Memorie|Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]'' by Johann Horst von Romberch (1533) [[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032259.jpg|150px]][[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032269.jpg|150px]] Here is a discussion form on it https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/johannes-romberchs-congestorium-artificiose-memorie/30174 Warm regards [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 23:15, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :Hi there, I could help proofing texts you have prepared perhaps? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:57, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :: Thanks for offering—I’d really appreciate your help with proofreading. :: We have two books. Which one would you like to start with? ::*[[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] ::*[[Liber:Congestorium artificiose memorie ... - V.P.F. Joa(n)nis Romberch de Kyrspe. Regularis obseruantie predicatorie- (IA hin-wel-all-00002875-001).pdf]] ::[[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 21:49, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I can do the pages you have put into the first, as a start for you. BTW the transcribed text does not always look like it originated from the source. It is very correct, but some has different orthography and missed certain parts. That is fine of course if we are correcting to the original. (PS: you might want to create a user account so that you can be notified of replies, hide your IP address, etc). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:57, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I had a go at the first page or two; some of the orthography was removed while other parts were kept. I kept all of it as a first go. See the discussion above about how we treat orthography, hopefully we can address this with templates. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:11, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::I'm using Google OCR and some AI tools to pull out text and sometimes translate it into English so I can understand it. If anyone could help me proofread or check it, I’d be super grateful! [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 00:50, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::I have added all the templates we need for the special characters / orthography, I will start doing the pages with those. The end result will be that on the main space ebook pages, the chars will toggle on and off, at least once that is properly implemented. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:25, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Noted, sounds good. I’ll try adding to the other pages next time. [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 22:10, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 - Call for Candidates</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="announcement-content" /> :''<div class="plainlinks">[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Call for candidates|{{int:interlanguage-link-mul}}]] • [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-{{urlencode:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Call for candidates}}&language=&action=page&filter= {{int:please-translate}}]</div> Hello all, The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025|call for candidates for the 2025 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees selection is now open]] from June 17, 2025 – July 2, 2025 at 11:59 UTC [1]. The Board of Trustees oversees the Wikimedia Foundation's work, and each Trustee serves a three-year term [2]. This is a volunteer position. This year, the Wikimedia community will vote in late August through September 2025 to fill two (2) seats on the Foundation Board. Could you – or someone you know – be a good fit to join the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees? [3] Learn more about what it takes to stand for these leadership positions and how to submit your candidacy on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Candidate application|this Meta-wiki page]] or encourage someone else to run in this year's election. Best regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi<br /> Chair of the Elections Committee On behalf of the Elections Committee and Governance Committee [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Call_for_candidates [2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal:Bylaws#(B)_Term. [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Resources_for_candidates<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 17:44, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:RamzyM (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28866958 --> == [[De Principe]] == Si vis, quaeso, me adiuva ut liber novus ''[[De Principe]]'' correctus sit et erroribus liber. Nuper completus, ab aliquo alio corrigendus est. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:14, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Sister Projects Task Force reviews Wikispore and Wikinews</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Dear Wikimedia Community, The [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee|Community Affairs Committee (CAC)]] of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees assigned [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Sister Projects Task Force|the Sister Projects Task Force (SPTF)]] to update and implement a procedure for assessing the lifecycle of Sister Projects – wiki [[m:Wikimedia projects|projects supported by Wikimedia Foundation (WMF)]]. A vision of relevant, accessible, and impactful free knowledge has always guided the Wikimedia Movement. As the ecosystem of Wikimedia projects continues to evolve, it is crucial that we periodically review existing projects to ensure they still align with our goals and community capacity. Despite their noble intent, some projects may no longer effectively serve their original purpose. '''Reviewing such projects is not about giving up – it's about responsible stewardship of shared resources'''. Volunteer time, staff support, infrastructure, and community attention are finite, and the non-technical costs tend to grow significantly as our ecosystem has entered a different age of the internet than the one we were founded in. Supporting inactive projects or projects that didn't meet our ambitions can unintentionally divert these resources from areas with more potential impact. Moreover, maintaining projects that no longer reflect the quality and reliability of the Wikimedia name stands for, involves a reputational risk. An abandoned or less reliable project affects trust in the Wikimedia movement. Lastly, '''failing to sunset or reimagine projects that are no longer working can make it much harder to start new ones'''. When the community feels bound to every past decision – no matter how outdated – we risk stagnation. A healthy ecosystem must allow for evolution, adaptation, and, when necessary, letting go. If we create the expectation that every project must exist indefinitely, we limit our ability to experiment and innovate. Because of this, SPTF reviewed two requests concerning the lifecycle of the Sister Projects to work through and demonstrate the review process. We chose Wikispore as a case study for a possible new Sister Project opening and Wikinews as a case study for a review of an existing project. Preliminary findings were discussed with the CAC, and a community consultation on both proposals was recommended. === Wikispore === The [[m:Wikispore|application to consider Wikispore]] was submitted in 2019. SPTF decided to review this request in more depth because rather than being concentrated on a specific topic, as most of the proposals for the new Sister Projects are, Wikispore has the potential to nurture multiple start-up Sister Projects. After careful consideration, the SPTF has decided '''not to recommend''' Wikispore as a Wikimedia Sister Project. Considering the current activity level, the current arrangement allows '''better flexibility''' and experimentation while WMF provides core infrastructural support. We acknowledge the initiative's potential and seek community input on what would constitute a sufficient level of activity and engagement to reconsider its status in the future. As part of the process, we shared the decision with the Wikispore community and invited one of its leaders, Pharos, to an SPTF meeting. Currently, we especially invite feedback on measurable criteria indicating the project's readiness, such as contributor numbers, content volume, and sustained community support. This would clarify the criteria sufficient for opening a new Sister Project, including possible future Wikispore re-application. However, the numbers will always be a guide because any number can be gamed. === Wikinews === We chose to review Wikinews among existing Sister Projects because it is the one for which we have observed the highest level of concern in multiple ways. Since the SPTF was convened in 2023, its members have asked for the community's opinions during conferences and community calls about Sister Projects that did not fulfil their promise in the Wikimedia movement.[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WCNA_2024._Sister_Projects_-_opening%3F_closing%3F_merging%3F_splitting%3F.pdf <nowiki>[1]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Sister_Projects_Task_Force#Wikimania_2023_session_%22Sister_Projects:_past,_present_and_the_glorious_future%22 <nowiki>[2]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[3]</nowiki>] Wikinews was the leading candidate for an evaluation because people from multiple language communities proposed it. Additionally, by most measures, it is the least active Sister Project, with the greatest drop in activity over the years. While the Language Committee routinely opens and closes language versions of the Sister Projects in small languages, there has never been a valid proposal to close Wikipedia in major languages or any project in English. This is not true for Wikinews, where there was a proposal to close English Wikinews, which gained some traction but did not result in any action[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_English_Wikinews <nowiki>[4]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[5]</nowiki>, see section 5] as well as a draft proposal to close all languages of Wikinews[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_closing_projects/Archive_2#Close_Wikinews_completely,_all_languages? <nowiki>[6]</nowiki>]. [[:c:File:Sister Projects Taskforce Wikinews review 2024.pdf|Initial metrics]] compiled by WMF staff also support the community's concerns about Wikinews. Based on this report, SPTF recommends a community reevaluation of Wikinews. We conclude that its current structure and activity levels are the lowest among the existing sister projects. SPTF also recommends pausing the opening of new language editions while the consultation runs. SPTF brings this analysis to a discussion and welcomes discussions of alternative outcomes, including potential restructuring efforts or integration with other Wikimedia initiatives. '''Options''' mentioned so far (which might be applied to just low-activity languages or all languages) include but are not limited to: *Restructure how Wikinews works and is linked to other current events efforts on the projects, *Merge the content of Wikinews into the relevant language Wikipedias, possibly in a new namespace, *Merge content into compatibly licensed external projects, *Archive Wikinews projects. Your insights and perspectives are invaluable in shaping the future of these projects. We encourage all interested community members to share their thoughts on the relevant discussion pages or through other designated feedback channels. === Feedback and next steps === We'd be grateful if you want to take part in a conversation on the future of these projects and the review process. We are setting up two different project pages: [[m:Public consultation about Wikispore|Public consultation about Wikispore]] and [[m:Public consultation about Wikinews|Public consultation about Wikinews]]. Please participate between 27 June 2025 and 27 July 2025, after which we will summarize the discussion to move forward. You can write in your own language. I will also host a community conversation 16th July Wednesday 11.00 UTC and 17th July Thursday 17.00 UTC (call links to follow shortly) and will be around at Wikimania for more discussions. <section end="message"/> </div> -- [[User:Victoria|Victoria]] on behalf of the Sister Project Task Force, 20:57, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Johan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Johan_(WMF)/Sister_project_MassMassage_on_behalf_of_Victoria/Target_list&oldid=28911188 --> == Latin incunabula and other early books == Expanding a bit on what I mentioned above, re character toggling, and also working on the books [[Foenix]] and [[Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae]] * the Transkribus Latin Incunabula scan does a great job on the heavy gothic style print * I will see how it does with more Garamond-style texts, in case it works with these * I have developed a fairly full set of templates for scribal characters, see [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] * I am thinking about using a bot to wholesale search and replace long s, and other scribal characters mapped there Between these things, the work to transcribe and correct early printed Latin books should be very much reduced. If anyone feels like helping test this out, do give me shout. Meantime I will run tests on Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae to check how well the bot system works. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:50, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :The folks at Wikisource helped create a JS solution for this, see [[Usor:JimKillock/incunabula.js]]. The script does a search and replace for what is needed, on the '''first save of a new book page'''; these are the settings for the Incunabula style section of [[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|this scan, p 52 onwards]] for [[Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]. It seems to work very well and is extremely labour saving! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 22:59, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == Navigation and validation == Hi there, I would like to do some work on navigation, to provide some "portal" pages similar to EN Wikisource. For example, this would help with learner texts a lot 9I often get asked how to find these texts, I point to the category pages, but these are very basic. I would also like to know what we should do about page validation. Some really necessary changes are currently languishing in the backlog. This is an admin only task: should we asking for more administrators, or is this something existing admins here can take on? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 14:08, 13 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :Hi {{U|JimKillock}} good idea, don't hesitate to start and/or ask for help. That said, I'm not sure to see why this is an admin task (even if, yes, the underlying point is true, we need more admins). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:31, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think the Portal namespace and some modules need setting up which require admin permissions, I will dig a bit further and come back to you. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Wikidata Item and Property labels soon displayed in Wiki Watchlist/Recent Changes == ''(Apologies for posting in English, you can help by translating into your language)'' Hello everyone, the [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects]] team is excited to announce an upcoming change in how Wikidata edit changelogs are displayed in your [[Special:Watchlist|Watchlists]] and [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]] lists. If an edit is made on Wikidata that affects a page in another Wikimedia Project, the changelog will contain some information about the nature of the edit. This can include a QID (or Q-number), a PID (or P-number) and a value (which can be text, numbers, dates, or also QID or PID’s). Confused by these terms? See the [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Glossary|Wikidata:Glossary]] for further explanations. The upcoming change is scheduled for '''17.07.2025''', between '''1300 - 1500 UTC'''. The change will display the label (item name) alongside any QID or PIDs, as seen in the image below: [[File:Apr10 edit summary on Wikidata.png|An edit sum entry on Wikidata, labels display alongside their P- and Q-no.'s]] These changes will only be visible if you have Wikidata edits enabled in your User Preferences for Watchlists and Recent Changes, or have the active filter ‘Wikidata edits’ checkbox toggled on, directly on the Watchlist and Recent Changes pages. Your bot and gadget may be affected! There are thousands of bots, gadgets and user-scripts and whilst we have researched potential effects to many of them, we cannot guarantee there won’t be some that are broken or affected by this change. Further information and context about this change, including how your bot may be affected can be found on this [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|project task page]]. We welcome your questions and feedback, please write to us on this dedicated [[m:Talk:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Talk page]]. Thank you, - [[m:User:Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)|Danny Benjafield (WMDE)]] on behalf of the Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects Team. [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 12:46, 14 Iulii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Danny Benjafield (WMDE)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)/MassMessage_Test_List&oldid=28981877 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr"> Upcoming Deployment of the CampaignEvents Extension</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Hello everyone, ''(Apologies for posting in English if English is not your first language. Please help translate to your language.)'' The Campaigns Product Team is planning a global deployment of the '''[[:mw:Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]]''' to all Wikisource, including this Wikisource, during the '''week of August 25th'''. This extension is designed to help organizers plan and manage events, WikiProjects, and other on-wiki collaborations - and to make these efforts more discoverable. The three main features of this extension are: * '''[[:m:Event_Center/Registration|Event Registration]]''': A simple way to sign up for events on the wiki. * '''[[:m:CampaignEvents/Collaboration_list|Collaboration List]]''': A global list of events and a local list of WikiProjects, accessible at '''[[:m:Special:AllEvents|Special:AllEvents]]'''. * '''[[:m:Campaigns/Foundation_Product_Team/Invitation_list|Invitation Lists]]''': A tool to help organizers find editors who might want to join, based on their past contributions. '''Note''': The extension comes with a new user right called '''"Event Organizer"''', which will be managed by administrators on this Wikisource. Organizer tools like Event Registration and Invitation Lists will only work if someone is granted this right. The Collaboration List is available to everyone immediately after deployment. The extension is already live on several wikis, including '''all Wikipedia, Meta, Wikidata''', and more ( [[m:CampaignEvents/Deployment_status#Current_Deployment_Status_for_CampaignEvents_extension| See the full deployment list]]) If you have any questions, concerns, or feedback, please feel free to share them on the [[m:Talk:CampaignEvents| extension talkpage]]. We’d love to hear from you before the rollout. Thank you! <section end="message"/> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:Udehb-WMF|Udehb-WMF]] ([[User talk:Udehb-WMF|disputatio]]) 15:40, 31 Iulii 2025 (UTC)</bdi> <!-- Message sent by User:Udehb-WMF@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Udehb-WMF/sandbox/MM_target_Wikisource&oldid=29066664 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Temporary accounts will be rolled out soon</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="body"/> Hello, we are the Wikimedia Foundation [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity|Product Safety and Integrity]] team. We would like to announce that '''we plan to enable [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] for this wiki in the week of September 1'''. Temporary accounts are successfully live on 30 wikis, including many large ones like German, Japanese, and French. The change they bring is especially relevant to logged-out editors, who this feature is designed to protect. But it is also relevant to community members like mentors, patrollers, and admins – anyone who reverts edits, blocks users, or otherwise interacts with logged-out editors as part of keeping the wikis safe and accurate. '''Why we are building temporary accounts''' Our wikis should be safer to edit by default for logged-out editors. Temporary accounts allow people to continue editing the wikis without creating an account, while avoiding publicly tying their edits to their IP address. We believe this is in the best interest of our logged-out editors, who make valuable contributions to the wikis and who may later create accounts and grow our community of editors, admins, and other roles. Even though the wikis do warn logged-out editors that their IP address will be associated with their edit, many people may not understand what an IP address is, or that it could be used to connect them to other information about them in ways they might not expect. Additionally, our moderation software and tools rely too heavily on network origin (IP addresses) to identify users and patterns of activity, especially as IP addresses themselves are becoming less stable as identifiers. Temporary accounts allow for more precise interactions with logged-out editors, including more precise blocks, and can help limit how often we unintentionally end up blocking good-faith users who use the same IP addresses as bad-faith users. '''How temporary accounts work''' [[File:Temporary account banner and empty talk page.png|thumb]] Any time a logged-out user publishes an edit on this wiki, a cookie will be set in this user's browser, and a temporary account tied with this cookie will be automatically created. This account's name will follow the pattern: <code dir=ltr>~2025-12345-67</code> (a tilde, current year, a number). On pages like Recent Changes or page history, this name will be displayed. The cookie will expire 90 days after its creation. As long as it exists, all edits made from this device will be attributed to this temporary account. It will be the same account even if the IP address changes, unless the user clears their cookies or uses a different device or web browser. A record of the IP address used at the time of each edit will be stored for 90 days after the edit. However, only some logged-in users will be able to see it. '''What does this mean for different groups of users?''' '''For logged-out editors''' * This increases privacy: currently, if you do not use a registered account to edit, then everybody can see the IP address for the edits you made, even after 90 days. That will no longer be possible on this wiki. * If you use a temporary account to edit from different locations in the last 90 days (for example at home and at a coffee shop), the edit history and the IP addresses for all those locations will now be recorded together, for the same temporary account. Users who [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Access_to_temporary_account_IP_addresses|meet the relevant requirements]] will be able to view this data. If this creates any personal security concerns for you, please contact talktohumanrights at wikimedia.org for advice. '''For community members interacting with logged-out editors''' * A temporary account is uniquely linked to a device. 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Thank you!<section end="body" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:user:NKohli (WMF)|NKohli (WMF)]], [[m:user:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]]</bdi> 21:36, 26 Augusti 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Quiddity_(WMF)/sandbox6&oldid=29181713 --> == All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae == I was looking for templates/formulae by looking at <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> All pages in [[Liber:Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Many (all?) pages in [[Liber:Gallia Christiana, 1715, T1.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki>, like article [[Gallia Christiana 1715 01/Epistola2]] These all use [[Formula:Sidenotes begin]]. There is one "[https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&oldid=79709&diff=cur pending change]" on this template. But that change puts the category outside the noinclude. ::<nowiki></noinclude></nowiki> ::<nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Please either reject the change or move the categoria line. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 04:17, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], I don't think anyone from the admins is monitoring or actioning pending changes currently. (see discussions re admin queues above.) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 05:29, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Shenme}} {{done}} I excluded the categories. {{ping|JimKillock}} no blame but be careful next time, categories should always be excluded. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:28, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|VIGNERON}} It wasn't @JimKillock who made [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&diff=next&oldid=79709 the problematic change], but someone else [[Usor:Ceciliawolf]]. I noticed the problem, he included the problem a list that got your attention. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 02:46, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Shenme}} yes, but [[Special:Diff/236794]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 06:57, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Request for admin status == Hi all, given that we have quite a lot of admin requests (mostly relating to "pending" changes), I would like to request administrator status so that some of these can be cleared. If anyone else wants to step up to help out, that would also be welcome. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:23, 1 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Ping to @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], @[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]]:, @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]]:, @[[Usor:Candalua|Candalua]]: in case you feel able to support my request. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:57, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Hi {{U|JimKillock}}, ::I apparently missed it, where do we have « a lot of admin requests » ? ::That said, one more admin is always good, so create the request and I'll support it. ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:34, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::Hi @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]], :::Thank you! On the admin requests, on this page, here are these :::* [[#All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae]] :::* [[#It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace]] (which you have replied to) :::* [[#Navigation and validation]] :::* [[#Administrator backlog?]] :::* [[#Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s)]] (altho this has been worked around and may not be needed) :::Most of these relate to the ''Pending changes'' backlog in various ways; two are requests for new features / modules to be ported across. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks, I see. It doesn't look like a lot to me, I'll try to deal with it today. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:27, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thank you @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] :) You could also take a look at the pending changes on [[Formula:Pagina_prima/Novae_Aetatis]] and [[Moriae encomium]]. The really big job is going through [[Specialis:PendingChanges|pending changes]] altogether - I understand there is a five year backlog. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:36, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::I see... I had a quick look and all changes seem good. Do we even need this extension on Wikisource? Also, if we keep it, I guess we need more reviewers rather than admins (more admins would be useful too, but that's a separate point). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 10:35, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Of course, the request needs to be supported; without active administrators it is very inconvenient. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:21, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::What do you need us to do? BTW, it would be great to know why edits require administrator approvals. Sorry, but I‘m afraid this makes contributing almost pointless. Many thanks for your help, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 14:15, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::So there are two reasons it would be helpful for me to be an admin; one is if we carry on with the approval system (it looks like we will not) and the other is around updating or adding certain components, modules for example. There may be other tasks I am not aware of that I could help with, but these are the ones I know about. Implementing Portal pages for example needs some work by an admin AIUI. :::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] your question re edits needing approval is [[#Do_we_need_to_approve_changes_to_pages|addressed below, here]]. :::In terms of what you / others need to do, it seems that if there is a consensus to allow me administrator permissions, then a bueaucrat user would implement it (I mistakenly opening a request at meta, and they referred me back here); so we just need to have your views, yes, no, maybe, etc. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:01, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::The page [[Vicifons:Magistratus]], intended for promotion, seems to be protected; I couldn't edit it (''petitio grapheocrat'''ae''''') and add a category ([[:Categoria:Usores]]). [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:23, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thanks, it seems editable now so I [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Petitio_magistratus|added my request there]], if anyone wants to support it. Regarding ''grapheocrates -ae'', how is this declined? Is it otherwise treated as a masculine first declension? Thinking it ought to be added to Wiktionary as it is missing from there. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:00, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::This is [https://archive.org/details/calepinusnovus2002/calepinusnovus2002-french-latin/page/n23/mode/1up?q=grapheocrates from Licoppe and Eichenseer]. Yes, this can be added to Wiktionary, I have no experience editing there. Thanks for the corrections, today the system let me in, but yesterday for some unknown reason it didn’t let me in. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:53, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::Thank you and no problem. I can add to Wiktionary I hope; is the plural therefore ''grapheocratae''; and is the singular ''grapheocrates'' or ''grapheocrata''? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:14, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Yes, of course. They took the Modern Greek word γραφειοκράτης. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:41, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::::Great, after a bit of struggle that is at [[:en:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] and [[:la:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:43, 7 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace == It would require someone with interface admin status to create [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index data config.json]] to replace the current index form parameters ([[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index attributes|very old system]]) with special care to not mass delete information by unadvertedly changing some parameter's name. [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config.json Example from the English Wikisource]. If someone wants to help, please contact me. Regards! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 02:10, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]], potentially - if I have admin status :) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:54, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Ignacio Rodríguez}} I did a test (by copy-pasting the English page), it works, so no need to be interface admin, being admin is enough. ::I only half understand that paramater page, could you give me the actual content expected ? ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:38, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::I don't remember all the details but I worked on that page in the Spanish Wikisource almost a decade ago. I'll make a mockup in the talk page, but I can't promise to get all the Latin words right. For ease, parameter names and help tooltips will be in English internally, but they will show in Latin in the form. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::This was added and it now works perfectly. Thanks! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:25, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Do we need to approve changes to pages == Hi all, Moving the discussion regarding the backlog at [[Specialis:PendingChanges]]: @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] asks whether we need to have this feature. I suspect it was switched on because of spam, vandalism, or some other similar issue. Without it we might need to be keeping an eye on recent changes. I am not sure how the proteccted changes permissions works, or whether permissions to make approvals to changes can be delegated more widely. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Changes to pages affecting project *function* must be controlled. But it seems that Pending Changes doesn't actually stop changes to something like a template/formula from having effect? See my report about <nowiki>Formula:Sidenotes begin</nowiki> above. :And checking a couple of the other initial items in [[Specialis:PendingChanges]], it seems that all pending changes are actually immediately applied to active, visible pages. :So Pending Changes <u>does not prevent damage</u> to the project. It is <u>merely a tracking and notification method?</u> :That can be useful, but requires a set of people to be change reviewers. And changes to subject matter would seem to require reviewers knowledgeable about the subject? :And when changes affect *function*, like templates, who can review and approve those? I'd think only admins. :The link to monitoring Recent Changes is undeniable. I monitor Recent Changes often at Spanish Wikisource because I've seen the random damage people can do. That is the only way to react quickly to damage. (?) But then that assumes people are checking lists frequently, at least daily. :Neither Pending Changes or monitoring Recent Changes prevent damage. They can be only part of a solution to damage. I don't know what to think about Pending Changes ''in isolation''. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 03:48, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} I've got mainly two points : ::* vandlism is low to inexistant on la.ws (and it's already low on most Wikisources), making this extension useless and even problematic. Because it doesn't prevent changes but it prevents them to be effective. ::** Apparently the reason to install is [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_VII#protection_of_completed_works_-_Flagged_Revisions_as_an_alternative?]] ::* this extension is actually caleld [[mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs]] and it's deprecated for years (see [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_XI#Futrue_of_FlaggedRevs_(Pending_Changes)_extension]] or the warning on the extension itself « Flagged Revisions is complex, poorly documented, very clunky, and not recommended for production use »). Also, people on Wikisource don't seem to really master or even using it (including the reviewers rights). Maybe it's aan opportunity to list exactly what we need and find a new extension that fit these needs. ::In the end, I see a lot of cons and only a few pros... ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:35, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :I haven't seen any vandalism here in years. But if you fix the errors, the "Pending Changes" status means that the fixes will only be visible to registered users. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:10, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} many thanks for your replies. I must admit that I’m an occasional Wikisource (or even Wikipedia contributor). I essentially (or exclusively) contribute corrections. :Some days ago, I wanted to download an ePub file for the [[Noctes Atticae]] (to do some regexp searches), but the export was wrong. I tried to modify the code (which I have done successfully for the Greek Wikisource many times) and I found out that I needed a ''nihil obstat'' (I’m afraid this would be way to name it). :Of course, I’m the least interested in vandalism (either contributing it myself, or being any collaborative project being infested/polluted by it). But I think there should be a way of distinguishing between vandalism and non-hardcore (or occasional) contributors. :I don’t know any perfect system, but it should be worth considering a mixed approach. Approval could be required for: already flagged users (for vandalism) and recent users (how about a five-year publishing embargo?). :Only to mention a case, my [https://el.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Συμπόσιον_(Πλάτων)&diff=prev&oldid=49677 first contribution to the Greek Wiksource] was in 2012. I don’t know for how long I have been registered in Wikimedia (I guess this was before 2010). :This isn’t about myself, the issue here is that Wikisource needs contributions to even exist (not to mention for its growth). If no regular user is allowed to contribute without approval, cooperation is basically non-existing. :Even with approval, the reply times are incredibly slow (because of the system). It is not that attention spans are getting shorter, time is the most scarce resource we all are (and I don’t have weeks or months to see whether I’m allowed to have [[Noctes Atticae]] as ePub). :Sorry, the sentence in parentheses isn’t a complaint. Please, do as you please, but my contribution is: consider that you might be making contributions way harder, project growth way slower and administrators’ roles way more complicated (probably, than they could and should be). :Many thanks for your help and your project, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 17:15, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think there is consensus we can switch this off. Let me know if I can help in any way if you think it's time to switch it off. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:25, 4 Octobris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks for the reminder and agreed for removal, so I created a task on Phabricator here : [[Phab:T406424]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:42, 5 Octobris 2025 (UTC) ::::Thanks for filing this @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] , the Wikimedia tech team seem to have finished their work on this now! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:16, 18 Octobris 2025 (UTC) == Index page error "Error: Invalid interval" == I am getting an error: at [[:Liber:Nos in schola latine loquimur - Ars latine loquendi.pdf]] "Error: Invalid interval" for the paginae listing; even when set to <code><nowiki><pagelist 1=1 /></nowiki></code>. Any clues appreciated! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:48, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :This might be the infamous "0x0 bug" that has plagued Wikisource for two? three? years. Normally it resolves doing a purge in both the file page in Commons and in the local Wikisource. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 19:34, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Thanks, that seems to b working now. 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Appropriate for here? == What is going on here? * [[Scriptor:Coronus_Tenebrosius]] * [[Contemplationes_Metaphysicae]] * [[Puteus_Chaosi]] * [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius]] No statement of copyright. No proof of authorship. paginae vanitatis ? [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 08:24, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Cum iure auctoris problemata non habebimus, si auctor ipse opera exponit. Et si delere consilium capiemus, [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Saumache|magistratus non habemus]], qui hoc faciant. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:37, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :<blockquote>'''Salvete.''' '''Nomen meum est Krunoslav Mrkoci, et ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' est interpretatio nominis mei in linguam Latinam, id est identitas mea Latina.''' '''Confirmo me ipsum auctorem esse omnium operum hic editorum. Opera primum Croatice scripta sunt, hic autem in versione Latina proposita.''' '''Praeterea fere omnia opera mea iam antea Croatice edita sunt in forma typographica. Id praesertim ad carmina mea pertinet, quae primum anno 1998 in libello iuvenili edita sunt, deinde in variis commentariis typis impressis, inter quos eminenter numeratur periodicum litterarium, culturalis et scientificum ''Riječi'' (Latine: ''Verba''), quod bis delectum e carminibus meis protulit.''' '''Item magna pars commentationum aliarumque prosarum, quae hic in linguam Latinam conversa sunt, iam antea et typis et forma electronica in Croatia divulgata est.''' Quaeso ut attendatis ad paginam meam in Wikidata, ubi tam sub nomine Croatico ''Krunoslav Mrkoci'' quam sub nomine Latino ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' ut auctor operum meorum inscriptus sum. Gratias ago pro lectione. '''Coronus Tenebrosius'''.</blockquote> [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius|Coronus Tenebrosius]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Coronus Tenebrosius|disputatio]]) 12:23, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) == Copying some templates from the English Wikisource == Hello, Would someone please be able to help me get [[s:en:Template:ppoem|en:Template:ppoem]], [[s:en:blackletter|en:blackletter]], [[s:en:Template:he|en:Template:he]], and [[s:en:Template:grc|en:Template:grc]] available to use on this Wikisource, so I can utilize them here? For the blackletter, I've tried [[Formula:Gothica|Gothica]], but that doesn't seem to be rendering properly. Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 00:04, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] I made the shortcut for [[Formula:Graeca]]. You should not need any administror rights to do anything you need, I'll take a look into it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 09:46, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Blackletter is already here, [[:Formula:Gothica]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:57, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Hi! @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]], thanks! Just for clarification, do I need to make the template pages in Latin, or is it alright to copy them in English? Also, @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], I mentioned this above, but for some reason, the Gothica template isn't working for me. See [[Pagina:Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf/15]], for example. Any idea why that might be the case? [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 16:16, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] This wiki lacks proper guidelines and recommendations, I would prefer if you translated the template's name, e.g., [[Formula:spatium]] rather than [[Formula:spatio]] but given the international nature of the project (nobody's mother tongue is Latin) best practice should be to add translated names as shortcuts/redirects. Beware adding templates that are already on the wiki under a different name ([[Formula:grc]] was already at [[Formula:Graeca]]). I took a quick look and it seems the fonts used by the blackletter template are not installed on the wiki; the same template does not seem to work on the French Wikisource either. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 17:40, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::Maybe we have sufficient powers to add the fonts now? Or we can ask someone with additional permissions to do so. But yes I remember now this has been a long standing problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:54, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::[https://yaytext.com/fraktur/ This converter] 𝔠𝔬𝔫𝔳𝔢𝔯𝔱𝔰 𝔩𝔢𝔱𝔱𝔢𝔯𝔰 𝔱𝔬 𝔉𝔯𝔞𝔨𝔱𝔲𝔯 (because it exists in Unicode as separate characters). <s>However, I'm not sure if such text can be found using a regular search.</s> No, Wikipedia search finds it. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:48, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::I looked into using the converter, but I'm running into the issue of lack of compatibility with {{[[Formula:Ls|Ls]]}}. Would it be better to just wait for the font to be added? Do we have any idea when that will happen/who needs to be contacted for that to happen? ::::Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 19:34, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::::These Unicode characters don't feel right on my labtop, they have heigth issues among other things. I went and asked on two different wikis about the fonts, I will come back to you when I get some answers. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 19:41, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :[[Formula:Poema recte formatum]] or [[Formula:Ppoem]] now work, altho there's issues with the documentation page. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:52, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 21:20, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{tl|blackletter}} was not working for me, even after locally installing UnifrakturMaguntia from Google fonts, until I restarted my web browser, which also followed my rebooting. Also, it can't be just any gothic/blackletter font, but must be one of these Fraktur fonts: UnifrakturMaguntia UnifrakturCook Unifraktur. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 21:19, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{ping|Demetrius Talpa|JimKillock|Erblanchard57}} Fonts are downloaded locally, you need to go to Modi/Praeferentiae > Proprietates > Sermonis delectus > Plura > Scripturae and toggle "Download fonts when needed". The option seems not to be that easy to toggle on by default. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 10:56, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, great. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:09, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you very much! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 15:57, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::English WS seems to pull the font in from a repository. I've copied over the module ULS, css etc, would be good to know if it has made any difference. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::{{blackletter|fraktur}} etc [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I just deactivated the "download fonts when needed" option for a second to see if it would work without it, and it still doesn't. 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Every page now has the "Proofread" status, except that a few are also "Validated". I expect it will take quite a while before the whole book gets that second read, if it ever will. My question: is it already acceptable to transclude the text into the main namespace at this stage, even though most pages are only single-proofread rather than validated? Or is there a convention on this Wikisource that a work should be fully validated before merging onto the mainspace? Gratias vobis ago pro consiliis vestris. [[Usor:Sakvaka|Sakvaka]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Sakvaka|disputatio]]) 09:16, 25 Iulii 2026 (UTC) :Of course, this is acceptable; the texts there are of very different quality. Besides, transclusion slightly increases the chances that someone will find it for re-examination. 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Pittacium idcirco e pagina detraxi. --[[Usor:Grufo|Grufo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Grufo|disputatio]]) 20:50, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Nam eaedem quidem editiones sunt, quibusdam minusculis in maiusculas versis litteris formaque apostropharum solum differunt. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 21:08, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default == Hi @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] and others, I noticed that [[:Formula:Littera s longa]] has been changed so that <nowiki>{{s}}</nowiki> produces ſ rather than s by default. This is in contrast to for example English Wikipedia which allows it as a user option, but assumes it is "s" by default. For other formulae, eg {{um}}, {{us}}, {{que}}, etc these are "off" by default. Likewise {{ae}}, {{oe}} I believe are off by default currently. There various ways that this can work, for example: * we could provide a user switch for either state per symbol, etc (with JS, as per EN.WS) * we can provide advice about applying fonts, etc, that can set ſ, ae/oe ligatures, etc, through css preferences * CSS can specify some of this per book (not all ligatures, eg {{que}} can be applied through CSS, and it depends on installed fonts in some cases) * we ''might'' be able to apply a default javascript switch behaviour per book rather than sitewide I don't have a massive preference for s over ſ, or ae / oe over or æ / œ ; but we should I think at least allow users to easily switch, especially re ſ if it is the default. Just throwing it out there for discussion, to see what the general feeling / preference would be. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:40, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :I lacked the rights to have it be toggled on and off through a gadget, we should ask interface administrators to do it, that should be the best way about it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 22:45, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] Take a look to itwikisource gadget "memoRegex". It allows to save and share nsIntex-specific, customable sets of regex or plain substitutions, and it has been recently refined by @Candalua (a great job!). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 10:39, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Portal pages == Hi all, I'd like to suggest we create a few "Portal" pages for some key topics, so we can detail what is good and why rather than just provide category pages. There's a need for a page for introductory Latin, for example, which could explain levels of suitability of texts. See also [[#Navigation and validation]] above To do this, we need community consensus to add a namespace, and then, it is done through a request at Phabricator. The namespace would define what this group of pages were called eg [[Portus:Index]] and also the name of the "Disputatio" (discussion) pages. Please let me know if you agree with this proposal or not, so we can demonstrate consensus for the change to be made. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:50, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :cc @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]]@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:12, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::I consent to the proposal, though I am not sure about the translation 'Portus'. I think that 'Aditus' would better suit this usecase, since from portals users will be able to 'adire' the relevant pages. P.S. Out of curiosity I have checked the dictionary of A. Perugini, and he translates 'portale' as 'porta principalis. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:31, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Ok, sure (regardless, the Vicifons namespace could be used meanwhile to do some testing for the content). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 12:25, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::Ok (even if I'm a inactive admin... :-( ) [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 12:55, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::I totatlly agree! - [[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:OrbiliusMagister|disputatio]]) 13:28, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] By the way, it would be nice if you could [[Vicifons:Scriptorium#Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default|check this out]]! [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 20:53, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Wikiversity was originally intended for educational purposes. But a portal can be created here too. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:00, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I think it would be best to take inspiration from [[:w:la]], at least for the vocabulary. This would: :* provide a vocabulary and structure people may be well acquainted with already :* facilitate our work, not having to find the proper terms for ourselves :* have some sort of continuity between Latin projects :I had started doing this for documentation templates, as they where copied as is from [[:en:Wikisource]]. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 20:50, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::Sure, what do you mean in practice? Does W:la have a phrase for Portal? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 21:29, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::I must say I don't really understand what you precisely intend to put on these pages and why they could not be of the Vicifons namespace. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 00:35, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::It's probably done on En:ws so that search works across portals and mainspace pages but not advice pages; or that search in advice pages does not include results from mainspace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:37, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::Here are some ideas for core pages, following nomenclature used by [[:w:la]] and [[:en:Wikisource]] (names are not definite): :::::* [[Vicifons:De stilo]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Style guide]]) including: titles and their capitalization, use of Roman/Arabic numerals, use of classifiers before numbers (liber, carmen, etc.); regularization of spelling (in non-facsimile pages), anchors, etc. :::::* [[Vicifons:Qualitas paginarum]] :::::* [[Vicifons:De categoriis]] :::::* [[Vicifons:De fontibus]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Sources]]) about how and where, or how not and where not, to find good sources, the fact that most pages don't have sources or are copied from bad sources, e.g., The Latin Library, how to recify this, etc. :::::And help pages: :::::* [[Auxilium:De digitizationem textorum imaginumque ad usum Vicifontis]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Help:Digitising texts and images for Wikisource]]) :::::* etc. :::::I'd be happy to batch something for [[Vicifons:De stilo]], as I think it is really needed. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 13:01, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::I agree, a style guide is badly needed. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:20, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I have sketched something up in my [[Usor:Saumache/Pagina cerata|sandbox]], rules are based on common practices of this wiki and personal preferences, please add rules, comments, sections, etc. without removing anything for the moment: we may discuss any of it on a dedicated discussion page. If my process isn't right and you think or know we sould do this some other way, please tell me. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 16:06, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Quae hucusque scripsisti, mihi bona videntur. Just a minor thing: the slash at the end of the link should not be included: it should be <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I]]</nowiki></code> and not <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>. The rules 'de titulis paginarum' will be particularly useful for the classical works on Wikisource, since they are a mess in this regard. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:25, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::This mostly looks good to me, although I would emphasise keeping to the orthography, numbering style, of the original texts. We are a source project after all. Variance across transcriptions is fine, but changing the source style to a project style should be kept to the minimum. All that said, in my view it's also OK to allow variances per transcription project, not least as they can be copied and re-done as people wish. ::::::::I very much agree about encouraging people to use good sources, and preferably to link them via a transcription process so they can be verified. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:11, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::::::I meant a stricter/standard orthography only for non-facsimile classical works whose original layout, orthography, etc. we don't know or poorly know, or would anyway not imitate (else we want it like this: ARMA⸱VIRVM⸱QVE⸱CANO). I think it would therefore be better to be more loosely dependent on our source editions and have a more unifying approach regarding these texts, nothwistanding the fact that a lot of these are bad copypastes of already very bad digitization from The Latin Library, and that these texts would take decades to be made into facsimile, accounting for how few we are. See for example [[Aeneis]], where people added macrons, using u's instead of v's makes searches more tedious, having letters be upper case at the start of sentences and verses as a norm would also be nice, appearance of poems, etc.; we should be able to do this if we want to, but according to rules which would be stated somewhere. I'd still understand if you are strictly against this. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 21:23, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::I suppose the ligatures bit is potentially controversial. I've built a system for my own transcriptions to toggle many scribal conventions on and off, eg & for early modern books; see ''[[De Principe]]'' for example. Some of these would be considered ligatures. My rationale is that it allows for preservation of the original orthography and presentation of a more modern version for everyday use. As for search, tho, doing this for some characters eg q; will cause a cost to some searching. But ae / oe are usually or often not a problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:20, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::On Vicipaedia portals are simply combined [[:w:la:Categoria:Portae|into a category]]; it is not necessary to ask the Phabricator. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 08:19, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::<small>The link you have sent is actually a category of pages about city gates (lat. ''portae''). Though,</small> It is true that we can still write portal pages without a dedicated namespace, and just group them with templates and categories. For example on German wikisource there is no author namespace, they just have an [[:de:Kategorie:Autoren|'author' category]]. It is an idea that is worth considering. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:38, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::We [[:w:la:Categoria:Portae Vicipaedianae|renamed it]] yesterday. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 16:57, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) nhjdi4incpf9myl8bfyjn1xmdori3bv 277010 276996 2026-08-22T21:57:52Z JimKillock 19003 /* Portal pages */ Reply 277010 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ <!--- __NOTOC__ --->[[Categoria:Vicifons|Scriptorium]] {{Intraincepti |w= Vicipaedia:Taberna |q= Vicicitatio:Taberna |commons: <!-- Communia --> |b= Vicilibri:Porta Communis |wikt= Victionarium:Taberna |m= <!-- Meta --> |wikispecies= <!-- Vicispecies --> |n= <!-- Vicinuntii --> }} <div class="toccolours" style="text-align:center; font-size:14pt; background:#eef; color:navy; "> Hac pagina scriptorium Vicifontis est.<br /> <small><small>Nunc iam sunt '''{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}''' paginae. 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In cooperation with the U4C -- <section end="announcement-content" /> </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 03:41, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)</div> <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s) == On EN wikisource, they have a template <nowiki>{{longs}}</nowiki> to produce ''ſ'' on the transcription page, and by default, ''s'' on the ebook page. users on EN WS can toggle these on and off. In this book, [[:la:Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']], there are a number of unusual characters that could do with toggling: ''ſ (s); ß (ss); ẽ (en / em) ũ (un / um) æ (ae) ę (ae) õ (on / om) ã (an / am) œ (oe)''. ([[:formula:ls]] already exists here for ſ, and some other characters semi-implemented at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] but the toggling is not switched on.) In order to implement this: (1) What would LA WiCategoria:Formulae litterarumkisource need to enable for user toggling of special characters? (2) Who would I contact (assuming this is an admin task)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:06, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :It looks like it would need this installing, as a start: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js|MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:13, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|OrbiliusMagister}} as the only active magister! --[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:16, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|SZC 03}} in case you have an opinion (you made changes at the De Pricipia transcription project which we could implement better with this toggle feature). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:31, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::I would like to point out that not all of the listed characters are of the same kind: ::* ſ is a variant of s; ::* ß, æ and œ are [[:w:en:Ligature (writing)|ligatures]] of ſs, ae and oe respectively ([[:w:en:E caudata|ę]] can represent both ae or oe); ::* ã, ẽ, õ, ũ are used to indicate [[:w:en:Scribal abbreviation|abbreviations]]. ::Personally I think it would be somewhat useful to implement the toggle feature only for æ and œ, since of all the ligatures they are the only ones that carry some meaning (that ae or oe in that word is a diphthong) and the only ones that easily show up in search results and correctly displayed in web-browsers. ::Note that both English and Italian wikisources in their transcription guidelines take in consideration the ability of both modern readers and search engines to correctly interpret the character shown (see [[:en:Wikisource:Style guide/Orthography]] and [[:it:Wikisource:Convenzioni di trascrizione]]). Though it would be useful to write rules specific to the Latin wikisource. ::I hope these considerations were of any help. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 07:58, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) ::In regards to the [[Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']] it would be appropriate to encode the text in a way that we do not lose your work of accurately transcribing the above characters, while still showing to the end user a normalized form. My edit was trying to achieve this with the templates currently in wikisource. ::From a technical standpoint, it would be useful to have a general template not specific to any character that could be used both in ''ad hoc'' situations, and in creating other templates. ::Also if such a template is created for abbreviations it should behave differently from the long s and ligatures, since 1) the text displayed is context dependent, and 2) it is common use in diplomatic transcriptions to show the abbreviated characters in parentheses (so I were taught in paleography class). ::To give an example of point 2 from the text ([[Pagina:Nicolaus_Machiavellus_De_Principe.pdf/69|page 45]], line 11): ::Original text: Iãq́ꝫ ::Diplomatic transcription: Ia(m)q(ue) ::Standard transcription: Iamque ::I’m sorry for the lengthy comments. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:02, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I agree something adhoc would be helpful. The template would need to specify :::* the text as-is and :::* the modernised version :::and hopefully there would be a system to pick up which to display. :::In terms of the display: this could be the js system, perhaps adapted, that we have on en.ws, or possibly it could be an adjustment to the page templates set up, to allow two different books, or sets of pages, to be presented. This would have the advantage that exports would facilitate both (IDK but suspect that exports support the default rather than user choice). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 15:48, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I have set out this information in a [[Usor:JimKillock/Orthography|table]] including information about dictionary lookups and likely search engine issues. In short, from a user perspective, all the characters can be problematic, but æ and œ work within Alpheios for dictionary lookups, so are a bit more tolerable than the others from a default perspective. However I think it is useful tobe able to see and use the originals for some people, eg those practicing reading Renaissance scans etc; or researchers or academics looking to use source texts. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:09, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|Alex brollo}}, {{ping|VIGNERON}}, {{ping|Candalua}} in case you can help. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:38, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] Interesting question. I'll take a look to the ensource template to understand how it works (I hope it is not based on javascript). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 06:18, 1 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I’m afraid it is based on javascript: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] :::To see the button you have to enable the [[:en:Help:Gadget-Visibility|Visibility gadget]]. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:12, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] checking in whether we can implement this, or find another solution. I am holding off further changes until I know how to proceed - but I am sure there should be a way to do this! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:40, 19 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::Noting this question comes up again at [[:Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] (I have [[Disputatio Libri:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|left a note there]]). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:08, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::OK, I have developed templates as this is holding up other people's work. I have based each template on the existing [[:formula:ls]], and avoid duplicating those that already exist using the same method at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]]. Meantime if anyone has further thoughts about using Visibility Gadget or going another way, I would be very grateful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:02, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] I have made a very basic template for flexible character switching at [[Formula:Scr]]; this returns the first entry on the book page, and the second in main space, eg <nowiki>{{scr|qꝫ|que}}</nowiki> would work the same as <nowiki>{{que}}</nowiki>. :::::However there is advice on ENWS not to use characters but use HTML entities for CSS reasons, so it is probably better for users to use specific templates. For example, I also created <nowiki>{{po}}</nowiki> which allows a user to decide what it might best represent, eg <nowiki>{{po|;}} or {{po|?}}</nowiki>. :::::In general, using set templates like <nowiki>{{que}}, {{em}}, {{um}}, {{etc}}</nowiki> is much easier for proofing, so I think I will continue to add these where it seems useful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:29, 24 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Hi folks, so that you know, I have made something of a workaround to be able to enable these features, which works well enough for me. I will perhaps add some guidance somewhere. What I have done: ::::::# Installed the font Garamontio, as it has the qꝫ character, and all the possible ligatures ::::::# Created custom css to apply Garamontio to Wikisource as a whole; at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.css]]; and ::::::# Created (vibecoded) custom javascript at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.js]] ::::::The second script looks for the various spans with the css style typographic-long-s, and replaces the characters as appropriate. This seems to work surprisingly well, Garamontio does all of the discretionary ligatures etc, and is a very well designed font (fork of EB Garamond, with some extra touches useful here). The issue is of course that this applies to the whole of Latin Wikisource all of the time. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:35, 25 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], reading this I wanted to tell you that you could apply styles to a index page, but I see you have already figured it out. Kudos on your progress. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 09:56, 9 Iulii 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Thanks @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]]; my list of scribal transformations has got quite long tho. And I need to check on the possible logic of it, some needs to hide and unhide, rather than search and replace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:27, 11 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == We will be enabling the new Charts extension on your wiki soon! == ''(Apologies for posting in English)'' Hi all! We have good news to share regarding the ongoing problem with graphs and charts affecting all wikis that use them. As you probably know, the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|old Graph extension]] was disabled in 2023 [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/EWL4AGBEZEDMNNFTM4FRD4MHOU3CVESO/|due to security reasons]]. 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If you have any questions, you can ask on [[m:Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025|the discussion page for the election]]. -- in cooperation with the U4C, </div><section end="announcement-content" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User_talk:Keegan (WMF)|disputatio]])</bdi> 22:08, 15 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> ''(Apologies for posting in English, if this is not your first language)'' Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation. You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:27, 22 Maii 2025 (UTC) </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sannita_(WMF)/Mass_sending_test&oldid=28768453 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection & Call for Questions</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="announcement-content" /> :''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Selection announcement|{{int:interlanguage-link-mul}}]] • [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-{{urlencode:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Selection announcement}}&language=&action=page&filter= {{int:please-translate}}]'' Dear all, This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats. The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4]. Here are the key planned dates: * May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6] * June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates * July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5] * August 2025: Campaign period * August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period * October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates * Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]]. '''Call for Questions''' In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]] '''Election Volunteers''' Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]] Thank you! [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results [2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter [3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024 [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates Best regards, Victoria Doronina Board Liaison to the Elections Committee Governance Committee<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 03:08, 28 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:RamzyM (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Administrator backlog? == Hi there, I am noticing a lot of pages that say that the current version is not checked; and versions I have amended are not (apparently) displayed because they need approval. Am I right in assuming this is due to a lack of (active) administrator time? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:53, 30 Maii 2025 (UTC) :Relatedly @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] / @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] / other admins, [[Colloquia familiaria]] has an old index page and other old sub pages which could do with changes being approved. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:58, 12 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::Ping on this, some of the sub pages are quite broken. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:42, 28 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :I have tried to fix the lack of text in ePub export for [[Noctes Atticae]]. :Unfortunately, it seems that all my submissions require approval (last approval seems to have taken place more than five years ago). :Is there any way to have <code>class="ws-export"</code> to the second <code>&lt;table&gt;</code> from [[Noctes Atticae]]? :Many thanks for your help, [[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 19:09, 15 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] Checking you know this is working now [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:21, 18 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Vote now in the 2025 U4C Election == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> Apologies for writing in English. {{Int:Please-translate}} Eligible voters are asked to participate in the 2025 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee]] election. More information–including an eligibility check, voting process information, candidate information, and a link to the vote–are available on Meta at the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Election/2025|2025 Election information page]]. The vote closes on 17 June 2025 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1750161600 12:00 UTC]. Please vote if your account is eligible. Results will be available by 1 July 2025. -- In cooperation with the U4C, [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 23:01, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28848819 --> == Mnemonics Book in Latin == Dear all, Over the past month, with the help of others, I’ve been compiling a list of older and often overlooked books on mnemonic techniques available on [[:en:Portal:Mnemonics|Wikisource English]]. Many of these works—some dating back decades or even centuries—offer fascinating insights into how memory has been understood, trained, and improved across different cultures and time periods. I've recently added a new section to the portal: "Multilingual Works on Mnemonic Techniques." This is in part because several of the English-language texts reference related works in other languages, particularly Latin. Unfortunately, many of these referenced works are written in Classical Latin, and my ability to work with them is quite limited—I’ve done what I can, but they remain largely inaccessible to me. If anyone has expertise in Classical Latin and might be willing to help with these texts, your assistance would be greatly appreciated. * ''[[:la:Foenix|Foenix]] by [[w:en:Peter of Ravenna|Peter of Ravenna]]'' (1491) * ''[[:la:Congestorium Artificiose Memorie|Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]'' by Johann Horst von Romberch (1533) [[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032259.jpg|150px]][[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032269.jpg|150px]] Here is a discussion form on it https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/johannes-romberchs-congestorium-artificiose-memorie/30174 Warm regards [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 23:15, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :Hi there, I could help proofing texts you have prepared perhaps? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:57, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :: Thanks for offering—I’d really appreciate your help with proofreading. :: We have two books. Which one would you like to start with? ::*[[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] ::*[[Liber:Congestorium artificiose memorie ... - V.P.F. Joa(n)nis Romberch de Kyrspe. Regularis obseruantie predicatorie- (IA hin-wel-all-00002875-001).pdf]] ::[[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 21:49, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I can do the pages you have put into the first, as a start for you. BTW the transcribed text does not always look like it originated from the source. It is very correct, but some has different orthography and missed certain parts. That is fine of course if we are correcting to the original. (PS: you might want to create a user account so that you can be notified of replies, hide your IP address, etc). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:57, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I had a go at the first page or two; some of the orthography was removed while other parts were kept. I kept all of it as a first go. See the discussion above about how we treat orthography, hopefully we can address this with templates. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:11, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::I'm using Google OCR and some AI tools to pull out text and sometimes translate it into English so I can understand it. If anyone could help me proofread or check it, I’d be super grateful! [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 00:50, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::I have added all the templates we need for the special characters / orthography, I will start doing the pages with those. The end result will be that on the main space ebook pages, the chars will toggle on and off, at least once that is properly implemented. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:25, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Noted, sounds good. I’ll try adding to the other pages next time. [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 22:10, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 - Call for Candidates</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="announcement-content" /> :''<div class="plainlinks">[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Call for candidates|{{int:interlanguage-link-mul}}]] • [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-{{urlencode:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Call for candidates}}&language=&action=page&filter= {{int:please-translate}}]</div> Hello all, The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025|call for candidates for the 2025 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees selection is now open]] from June 17, 2025 – July 2, 2025 at 11:59 UTC [1]. The Board of Trustees oversees the Wikimedia Foundation's work, and each Trustee serves a three-year term [2]. This is a volunteer position. This year, the Wikimedia community will vote in late August through September 2025 to fill two (2) seats on the Foundation Board. Could you – or someone you know – be a good fit to join the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees? [3] Learn more about what it takes to stand for these leadership positions and how to submit your candidacy on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Candidate application|this Meta-wiki page]] or encourage someone else to run in this year's election. Best regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi<br /> Chair of the Elections Committee On behalf of the Elections Committee and Governance Committee [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Call_for_candidates [2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal:Bylaws#(B)_Term. [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Resources_for_candidates<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 17:44, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:RamzyM (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28866958 --> == [[De Principe]] == Si vis, quaeso, me adiuva ut liber novus ''[[De Principe]]'' correctus sit et erroribus liber. Nuper completus, ab aliquo alio corrigendus est. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:14, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Sister Projects Task Force reviews Wikispore and Wikinews</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Dear Wikimedia Community, The [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee|Community Affairs Committee (CAC)]] of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees assigned [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Sister Projects Task Force|the Sister Projects Task Force (SPTF)]] to update and implement a procedure for assessing the lifecycle of Sister Projects – wiki [[m:Wikimedia projects|projects supported by Wikimedia Foundation (WMF)]]. A vision of relevant, accessible, and impactful free knowledge has always guided the Wikimedia Movement. As the ecosystem of Wikimedia projects continues to evolve, it is crucial that we periodically review existing projects to ensure they still align with our goals and community capacity. Despite their noble intent, some projects may no longer effectively serve their original purpose. '''Reviewing such projects is not about giving up – it's about responsible stewardship of shared resources'''. Volunteer time, staff support, infrastructure, and community attention are finite, and the non-technical costs tend to grow significantly as our ecosystem has entered a different age of the internet than the one we were founded in. Supporting inactive projects or projects that didn't meet our ambitions can unintentionally divert these resources from areas with more potential impact. Moreover, maintaining projects that no longer reflect the quality and reliability of the Wikimedia name stands for, involves a reputational risk. An abandoned or less reliable project affects trust in the Wikimedia movement. Lastly, '''failing to sunset or reimagine projects that are no longer working can make it much harder to start new ones'''. When the community feels bound to every past decision – no matter how outdated – we risk stagnation. A healthy ecosystem must allow for evolution, adaptation, and, when necessary, letting go. If we create the expectation that every project must exist indefinitely, we limit our ability to experiment and innovate. Because of this, SPTF reviewed two requests concerning the lifecycle of the Sister Projects to work through and demonstrate the review process. We chose Wikispore as a case study for a possible new Sister Project opening and Wikinews as a case study for a review of an existing project. Preliminary findings were discussed with the CAC, and a community consultation on both proposals was recommended. === Wikispore === The [[m:Wikispore|application to consider Wikispore]] was submitted in 2019. SPTF decided to review this request in more depth because rather than being concentrated on a specific topic, as most of the proposals for the new Sister Projects are, Wikispore has the potential to nurture multiple start-up Sister Projects. After careful consideration, the SPTF has decided '''not to recommend''' Wikispore as a Wikimedia Sister Project. Considering the current activity level, the current arrangement allows '''better flexibility''' and experimentation while WMF provides core infrastructural support. We acknowledge the initiative's potential and seek community input on what would constitute a sufficient level of activity and engagement to reconsider its status in the future. As part of the process, we shared the decision with the Wikispore community and invited one of its leaders, Pharos, to an SPTF meeting. Currently, we especially invite feedback on measurable criteria indicating the project's readiness, such as contributor numbers, content volume, and sustained community support. This would clarify the criteria sufficient for opening a new Sister Project, including possible future Wikispore re-application. However, the numbers will always be a guide because any number can be gamed. === Wikinews === We chose to review Wikinews among existing Sister Projects because it is the one for which we have observed the highest level of concern in multiple ways. Since the SPTF was convened in 2023, its members have asked for the community's opinions during conferences and community calls about Sister Projects that did not fulfil their promise in the Wikimedia movement.[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WCNA_2024._Sister_Projects_-_opening%3F_closing%3F_merging%3F_splitting%3F.pdf <nowiki>[1]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Sister_Projects_Task_Force#Wikimania_2023_session_%22Sister_Projects:_past,_present_and_the_glorious_future%22 <nowiki>[2]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[3]</nowiki>] Wikinews was the leading candidate for an evaluation because people from multiple language communities proposed it. Additionally, by most measures, it is the least active Sister Project, with the greatest drop in activity over the years. While the Language Committee routinely opens and closes language versions of the Sister Projects in small languages, there has never been a valid proposal to close Wikipedia in major languages or any project in English. This is not true for Wikinews, where there was a proposal to close English Wikinews, which gained some traction but did not result in any action[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_English_Wikinews <nowiki>[4]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[5]</nowiki>, see section 5] as well as a draft proposal to close all languages of Wikinews[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_closing_projects/Archive_2#Close_Wikinews_completely,_all_languages? <nowiki>[6]</nowiki>]. [[:c:File:Sister Projects Taskforce Wikinews review 2024.pdf|Initial metrics]] compiled by WMF staff also support the community's concerns about Wikinews. Based on this report, SPTF recommends a community reevaluation of Wikinews. We conclude that its current structure and activity levels are the lowest among the existing sister projects. SPTF also recommends pausing the opening of new language editions while the consultation runs. SPTF brings this analysis to a discussion and welcomes discussions of alternative outcomes, including potential restructuring efforts or integration with other Wikimedia initiatives. '''Options''' mentioned so far (which might be applied to just low-activity languages or all languages) include but are not limited to: *Restructure how Wikinews works and is linked to other current events efforts on the projects, *Merge the content of Wikinews into the relevant language Wikipedias, possibly in a new namespace, *Merge content into compatibly licensed external projects, *Archive Wikinews projects. Your insights and perspectives are invaluable in shaping the future of these projects. We encourage all interested community members to share their thoughts on the relevant discussion pages or through other designated feedback channels. === Feedback and next steps === We'd be grateful if you want to take part in a conversation on the future of these projects and the review process. We are setting up two different project pages: [[m:Public consultation about Wikispore|Public consultation about Wikispore]] and [[m:Public consultation about Wikinews|Public consultation about Wikinews]]. Please participate between 27 June 2025 and 27 July 2025, after which we will summarize the discussion to move forward. You can write in your own language. I will also host a community conversation 16th July Wednesday 11.00 UTC and 17th July Thursday 17.00 UTC (call links to follow shortly) and will be around at Wikimania for more discussions. <section end="message"/> </div> -- [[User:Victoria|Victoria]] on behalf of the Sister Project Task Force, 20:57, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Johan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Johan_(WMF)/Sister_project_MassMassage_on_behalf_of_Victoria/Target_list&oldid=28911188 --> == Latin incunabula and other early books == Expanding a bit on what I mentioned above, re character toggling, and also working on the books [[Foenix]] and [[Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae]] * the Transkribus Latin Incunabula scan does a great job on the heavy gothic style print * I will see how it does with more Garamond-style texts, in case it works with these * I have developed a fairly full set of templates for scribal characters, see [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] * I am thinking about using a bot to wholesale search and replace long s, and other scribal characters mapped there Between these things, the work to transcribe and correct early printed Latin books should be very much reduced. If anyone feels like helping test this out, do give me shout. Meantime I will run tests on Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae to check how well the bot system works. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:50, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :The folks at Wikisource helped create a JS solution for this, see [[Usor:JimKillock/incunabula.js]]. The script does a search and replace for what is needed, on the '''first save of a new book page'''; these are the settings for the Incunabula style section of [[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|this scan, p 52 onwards]] for [[Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]. It seems to work very well and is extremely labour saving! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 22:59, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == Navigation and validation == Hi there, I would like to do some work on navigation, to provide some "portal" pages similar to EN Wikisource. For example, this would help with learner texts a lot 9I often get asked how to find these texts, I point to the category pages, but these are very basic. I would also like to know what we should do about page validation. Some really necessary changes are currently languishing in the backlog. This is an admin only task: should we asking for more administrators, or is this something existing admins here can take on? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 14:08, 13 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :Hi {{U|JimKillock}} good idea, don't hesitate to start and/or ask for help. That said, I'm not sure to see why this is an admin task (even if, yes, the underlying point is true, we need more admins). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:31, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think the Portal namespace and some modules need setting up which require admin permissions, I will dig a bit further and come back to you. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Wikidata Item and Property labels soon displayed in Wiki Watchlist/Recent Changes == ''(Apologies for posting in English, you can help by translating into your language)'' Hello everyone, the [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects]] team is excited to announce an upcoming change in how Wikidata edit changelogs are displayed in your [[Special:Watchlist|Watchlists]] and [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]] lists. If an edit is made on Wikidata that affects a page in another Wikimedia Project, the changelog will contain some information about the nature of the edit. This can include a QID (or Q-number), a PID (or P-number) and a value (which can be text, numbers, dates, or also QID or PID’s). Confused by these terms? See the [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Glossary|Wikidata:Glossary]] for further explanations. The upcoming change is scheduled for '''17.07.2025''', between '''1300 - 1500 UTC'''. The change will display the label (item name) alongside any QID or PIDs, as seen in the image below: [[File:Apr10 edit summary on Wikidata.png|An edit sum entry on Wikidata, labels display alongside their P- and Q-no.'s]] These changes will only be visible if you have Wikidata edits enabled in your User Preferences for Watchlists and Recent Changes, or have the active filter ‘Wikidata edits’ checkbox toggled on, directly on the Watchlist and Recent Changes pages. Your bot and gadget may be affected! There are thousands of bots, gadgets and user-scripts and whilst we have researched potential effects to many of them, we cannot guarantee there won’t be some that are broken or affected by this change. Further information and context about this change, including how your bot may be affected can be found on this [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|project task page]]. We welcome your questions and feedback, please write to us on this dedicated [[m:Talk:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Talk page]]. Thank you, - [[m:User:Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)|Danny Benjafield (WMDE)]] on behalf of the Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects Team. [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 12:46, 14 Iulii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Danny Benjafield (WMDE)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)/MassMessage_Test_List&oldid=28981877 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr"> Upcoming Deployment of the CampaignEvents Extension</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Hello everyone, ''(Apologies for posting in English if English is not your first language. Please help translate to your language.)'' The Campaigns Product Team is planning a global deployment of the '''[[:mw:Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]]''' to all Wikisource, including this Wikisource, during the '''week of August 25th'''. This extension is designed to help organizers plan and manage events, WikiProjects, and other on-wiki collaborations - and to make these efforts more discoverable. The three main features of this extension are: * '''[[:m:Event_Center/Registration|Event Registration]]''': A simple way to sign up for events on the wiki. * '''[[:m:CampaignEvents/Collaboration_list|Collaboration List]]''': A global list of events and a local list of WikiProjects, accessible at '''[[:m:Special:AllEvents|Special:AllEvents]]'''. * '''[[:m:Campaigns/Foundation_Product_Team/Invitation_list|Invitation Lists]]''': A tool to help organizers find editors who might want to join, based on their past contributions. '''Note''': The extension comes with a new user right called '''"Event Organizer"''', which will be managed by administrators on this Wikisource. Organizer tools like Event Registration and Invitation Lists will only work if someone is granted this right. The Collaboration List is available to everyone immediately after deployment. The extension is already live on several wikis, including '''all Wikipedia, Meta, Wikidata''', and more ( [[m:CampaignEvents/Deployment_status#Current_Deployment_Status_for_CampaignEvents_extension| See the full deployment list]]) If you have any questions, concerns, or feedback, please feel free to share them on the [[m:Talk:CampaignEvents| extension talkpage]]. We’d love to hear from you before the rollout. Thank you! <section end="message"/> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:Udehb-WMF|Udehb-WMF]] ([[User talk:Udehb-WMF|disputatio]]) 15:40, 31 Iulii 2025 (UTC)</bdi> <!-- Message sent by User:Udehb-WMF@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Udehb-WMF/sandbox/MM_target_Wikisource&oldid=29066664 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Temporary accounts will be rolled out soon</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="body"/> Hello, we are the Wikimedia Foundation [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity|Product Safety and Integrity]] team. We would like to announce that '''we plan to enable [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] for this wiki in the week of September 1'''. Temporary accounts are successfully live on 30 wikis, including many large ones like German, Japanese, and French. The change they bring is especially relevant to logged-out editors, who this feature is designed to protect. But it is also relevant to community members like mentors, patrollers, and admins – anyone who reverts edits, blocks users, or otherwise interacts with logged-out editors as part of keeping the wikis safe and accurate. '''Why we are building temporary accounts''' Our wikis should be safer to edit by default for logged-out editors. Temporary accounts allow people to continue editing the wikis without creating an account, while avoiding publicly tying their edits to their IP address. We believe this is in the best interest of our logged-out editors, who make valuable contributions to the wikis and who may later create accounts and grow our community of editors, admins, and other roles. Even though the wikis do warn logged-out editors that their IP address will be associated with their edit, many people may not understand what an IP address is, or that it could be used to connect them to other information about them in ways they might not expect. Additionally, our moderation software and tools rely too heavily on network origin (IP addresses) to identify users and patterns of activity, especially as IP addresses themselves are becoming less stable as identifiers. Temporary accounts allow for more precise interactions with logged-out editors, including more precise blocks, and can help limit how often we unintentionally end up blocking good-faith users who use the same IP addresses as bad-faith users. '''How temporary accounts work''' [[File:Temporary account banner and empty talk page.png|thumb]] Any time a logged-out user publishes an edit on this wiki, a cookie will be set in this user's browser, and a temporary account tied with this cookie will be automatically created. This account's name will follow the pattern: <code dir=ltr>~2025-12345-67</code> (a tilde, current year, a number). On pages like Recent Changes or page history, this name will be displayed. The cookie will expire 90 days after its creation. As long as it exists, all edits made from this device will be attributed to this temporary account. It will be the same account even if the IP address changes, unless the user clears their cookies or uses a different device or web browser. A record of the IP address used at the time of each edit will be stored for 90 days after the edit. However, only some logged-in users will be able to see it. '''What does this mean for different groups of users?''' '''For logged-out editors''' * This increases privacy: currently, if you do not use a registered account to edit, then everybody can see the IP address for the edits you made, even after 90 days. That will no longer be possible on this wiki. * If you use a temporary account to edit from different locations in the last 90 days (for example at home and at a coffee shop), the edit history and the IP addresses for all those locations will now be recorded together, for the same temporary account. Users who [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Access_to_temporary_account_IP_addresses|meet the relevant requirements]] will be able to view this data. If this creates any personal security concerns for you, please contact talktohumanrights at wikimedia.org for advice. '''For community members interacting with logged-out editors''' * A temporary account is uniquely linked to a device. In comparison, an IP address can be shared with different devices and people (for example, different people at school or at work might have the same IP address). * Compared to the current situation, it will be safer to assume that a temporary user's talk page belongs to only one person, and messages left there will be read by them. As you can see in the screenshot, temporary account users will receive notifications. It will also be possible to thank them for their edits, ping them in discussions, and invite them to get more involved in the community. '''For users who use IP address data to moderate and maintain the wiki''' * '''For patrollers''' who track persistent abusers, investigate violations of policies, etc.: Users who [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Access_to_temporary_account_IP_addresses|meet the requirements]] will be able to reveal temporary users' IP addresses and all contributions made by temporary accounts from a specific IP address or range ([[Special:IPContributions]]). They will also have access to useful information about the IP addresses thanks to the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/IP Info|IP Info]] feature. Many other pieces of software have been built or adjusted to work with temporary accounts, including AbuseFilter, global blocks, Global User Contributions, and more. (For information for volunteer developers on how to update the code of your tools – see the last part of the message.) * '''For admins blocking logged-out editors''': ** It will be possible to block many abusers by just blocking their temporary accounts. A blocked person won't be able to create new temporary accounts quickly if the admin selects the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Autoblock|autoblock]] option. ** It will still be possible to block an IP address or IP range. * Temporary accounts will not be retroactively applied to contributions made before the deployment. On Special:Contributions, you will be able to see existing IP user contributions, but not new contributions made by temporary accounts on that IP address. Instead, you should use Special:IPContributions for this. '''Our requests for you, and next steps''' * If you know of any tools, bots, gadgets etc. using data about IP addresses or being available for logged-out users, you may want to test if they work on [[testwiki:Main_Page|testwiki]] or [[test2wiki:Main_Page|test2wiki]]. If you are a volunteer developer, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers|read our documentation for developers]], and in particular, the section on [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers#How should I update my code?|how your code might need to be updated]]. * If you want to test the temporary account experience, for example just to check what it feels like, go to testwiki or test2wiki and edit without logging in. * Tell us if you know of any difficulties that need to be addressed. We will try to help, and if we are not able, we will consider the available options. * Look at our [[m:Meta:Babel#Temporary_Accounts:_access_to_IP_addresses_and_next_steps|previous message]] about requirements for users without extended rights who may need access to IP addresses. To learn more about the project, check out [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/FAQ|our FAQ]] – you will find many useful answers there. You may also [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/Updates|look at the updates]] (we have just posted one) and [[mw:Newsletter:Product Safety and Integrity|subscribe to our new newsletter]]. If you'd like to talk to me (Szymon) off-wiki, you will find me on Discord and Telegram. Thank you!<section end="body" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:user:NKohli (WMF)|NKohli (WMF)]], [[m:user:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]]</bdi> 21:36, 26 Augusti 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Quiddity_(WMF)/sandbox6&oldid=29181713 --> == All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae == I was looking for templates/formulae by looking at <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> All pages in [[Liber:Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Many (all?) pages in [[Liber:Gallia Christiana, 1715, T1.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki>, like article [[Gallia Christiana 1715 01/Epistola2]] These all use [[Formula:Sidenotes begin]]. There is one "[https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&oldid=79709&diff=cur pending change]" on this template. But that change puts the category outside the noinclude. ::<nowiki></noinclude></nowiki> ::<nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Please either reject the change or move the categoria line. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 04:17, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], I don't think anyone from the admins is monitoring or actioning pending changes currently. (see discussions re admin queues above.) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 05:29, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Shenme}} {{done}} I excluded the categories. {{ping|JimKillock}} no blame but be careful next time, categories should always be excluded. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:28, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|VIGNERON}} It wasn't @JimKillock who made [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&diff=next&oldid=79709 the problematic change], but someone else [[Usor:Ceciliawolf]]. I noticed the problem, he included the problem a list that got your attention. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 02:46, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Shenme}} yes, but [[Special:Diff/236794]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 06:57, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Request for admin status == Hi all, given that we have quite a lot of admin requests (mostly relating to "pending" changes), I would like to request administrator status so that some of these can be cleared. If anyone else wants to step up to help out, that would also be welcome. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:23, 1 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Ping to @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], @[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]]:, @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]]:, @[[Usor:Candalua|Candalua]]: in case you feel able to support my request. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:57, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Hi {{U|JimKillock}}, ::I apparently missed it, where do we have « a lot of admin requests » ? ::That said, one more admin is always good, so create the request and I'll support it. ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:34, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::Hi @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]], :::Thank you! On the admin requests, on this page, here are these :::* [[#All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae]] :::* [[#It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace]] (which you have replied to) :::* [[#Navigation and validation]] :::* [[#Administrator backlog?]] :::* [[#Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s)]] (altho this has been worked around and may not be needed) :::Most of these relate to the ''Pending changes'' backlog in various ways; two are requests for new features / modules to be ported across. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks, I see. It doesn't look like a lot to me, I'll try to deal with it today. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:27, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thank you @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] :) You could also take a look at the pending changes on [[Formula:Pagina_prima/Novae_Aetatis]] and [[Moriae encomium]]. The really big job is going through [[Specialis:PendingChanges|pending changes]] altogether - I understand there is a five year backlog. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:36, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::I see... I had a quick look and all changes seem good. Do we even need this extension on Wikisource? Also, if we keep it, I guess we need more reviewers rather than admins (more admins would be useful too, but that's a separate point). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 10:35, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Of course, the request needs to be supported; without active administrators it is very inconvenient. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:21, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::What do you need us to do? BTW, it would be great to know why edits require administrator approvals. Sorry, but I‘m afraid this makes contributing almost pointless. Many thanks for your help, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 14:15, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::So there are two reasons it would be helpful for me to be an admin; one is if we carry on with the approval system (it looks like we will not) and the other is around updating or adding certain components, modules for example. There may be other tasks I am not aware of that I could help with, but these are the ones I know about. Implementing Portal pages for example needs some work by an admin AIUI. :::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] your question re edits needing approval is [[#Do_we_need_to_approve_changes_to_pages|addressed below, here]]. :::In terms of what you / others need to do, it seems that if there is a consensus to allow me administrator permissions, then a bueaucrat user would implement it (I mistakenly opening a request at meta, and they referred me back here); so we just need to have your views, yes, no, maybe, etc. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:01, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::The page [[Vicifons:Magistratus]], intended for promotion, seems to be protected; I couldn't edit it (''petitio grapheocrat'''ae''''') and add a category ([[:Categoria:Usores]]). [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:23, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thanks, it seems editable now so I [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Petitio_magistratus|added my request there]], if anyone wants to support it. Regarding ''grapheocrates -ae'', how is this declined? Is it otherwise treated as a masculine first declension? Thinking it ought to be added to Wiktionary as it is missing from there. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:00, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::This is [https://archive.org/details/calepinusnovus2002/calepinusnovus2002-french-latin/page/n23/mode/1up?q=grapheocrates from Licoppe and Eichenseer]. Yes, this can be added to Wiktionary, I have no experience editing there. Thanks for the corrections, today the system let me in, but yesterday for some unknown reason it didn’t let me in. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:53, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::Thank you and no problem. I can add to Wiktionary I hope; is the plural therefore ''grapheocratae''; and is the singular ''grapheocrates'' or ''grapheocrata''? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:14, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Yes, of course. They took the Modern Greek word γραφειοκράτης. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:41, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::::Great, after a bit of struggle that is at [[:en:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] and [[:la:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:43, 7 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace == It would require someone with interface admin status to create [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index data config.json]] to replace the current index form parameters ([[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index attributes|very old system]]) with special care to not mass delete information by unadvertedly changing some parameter's name. [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config.json Example from the English Wikisource]. If someone wants to help, please contact me. Regards! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 02:10, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]], potentially - if I have admin status :) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:54, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Ignacio Rodríguez}} I did a test (by copy-pasting the English page), it works, so no need to be interface admin, being admin is enough. ::I only half understand that paramater page, could you give me the actual content expected ? ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:38, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::I don't remember all the details but I worked on that page in the Spanish Wikisource almost a decade ago. I'll make a mockup in the talk page, but I can't promise to get all the Latin words right. For ease, parameter names and help tooltips will be in English internally, but they will show in Latin in the form. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::This was added and it now works perfectly. Thanks! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:25, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Do we need to approve changes to pages == Hi all, Moving the discussion regarding the backlog at [[Specialis:PendingChanges]]: @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] asks whether we need to have this feature. I suspect it was switched on because of spam, vandalism, or some other similar issue. Without it we might need to be keeping an eye on recent changes. I am not sure how the proteccted changes permissions works, or whether permissions to make approvals to changes can be delegated more widely. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Changes to pages affecting project *function* must be controlled. But it seems that Pending Changes doesn't actually stop changes to something like a template/formula from having effect? See my report about <nowiki>Formula:Sidenotes begin</nowiki> above. :And checking a couple of the other initial items in [[Specialis:PendingChanges]], it seems that all pending changes are actually immediately applied to active, visible pages. :So Pending Changes <u>does not prevent damage</u> to the project. It is <u>merely a tracking and notification method?</u> :That can be useful, but requires a set of people to be change reviewers. And changes to subject matter would seem to require reviewers knowledgeable about the subject? :And when changes affect *function*, like templates, who can review and approve those? I'd think only admins. :The link to monitoring Recent Changes is undeniable. I monitor Recent Changes often at Spanish Wikisource because I've seen the random damage people can do. That is the only way to react quickly to damage. (?) But then that assumes people are checking lists frequently, at least daily. :Neither Pending Changes or monitoring Recent Changes prevent damage. They can be only part of a solution to damage. I don't know what to think about Pending Changes ''in isolation''. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 03:48, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} I've got mainly two points : ::* vandlism is low to inexistant on la.ws (and it's already low on most Wikisources), making this extension useless and even problematic. Because it doesn't prevent changes but it prevents them to be effective. ::** Apparently the reason to install is [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_VII#protection_of_completed_works_-_Flagged_Revisions_as_an_alternative?]] ::* this extension is actually caleld [[mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs]] and it's deprecated for years (see [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_XI#Futrue_of_FlaggedRevs_(Pending_Changes)_extension]] or the warning on the extension itself « Flagged Revisions is complex, poorly documented, very clunky, and not recommended for production use »). Also, people on Wikisource don't seem to really master or even using it (including the reviewers rights). Maybe it's aan opportunity to list exactly what we need and find a new extension that fit these needs. ::In the end, I see a lot of cons and only a few pros... ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:35, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :I haven't seen any vandalism here in years. But if you fix the errors, the "Pending Changes" status means that the fixes will only be visible to registered users. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:10, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} many thanks for your replies. I must admit that I’m an occasional Wikisource (or even Wikipedia contributor). I essentially (or exclusively) contribute corrections. :Some days ago, I wanted to download an ePub file for the [[Noctes Atticae]] (to do some regexp searches), but the export was wrong. I tried to modify the code (which I have done successfully for the Greek Wikisource many times) and I found out that I needed a ''nihil obstat'' (I’m afraid this would be way to name it). :Of course, I’m the least interested in vandalism (either contributing it myself, or being any collaborative project being infested/polluted by it). But I think there should be a way of distinguishing between vandalism and non-hardcore (or occasional) contributors. :I don’t know any perfect system, but it should be worth considering a mixed approach. Approval could be required for: already flagged users (for vandalism) and recent users (how about a five-year publishing embargo?). :Only to mention a case, my [https://el.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Συμπόσιον_(Πλάτων)&diff=prev&oldid=49677 first contribution to the Greek Wiksource] was in 2012. I don’t know for how long I have been registered in Wikimedia (I guess this was before 2010). :This isn’t about myself, the issue here is that Wikisource needs contributions to even exist (not to mention for its growth). If no regular user is allowed to contribute without approval, cooperation is basically non-existing. :Even with approval, the reply times are incredibly slow (because of the system). It is not that attention spans are getting shorter, time is the most scarce resource we all are (and I don’t have weeks or months to see whether I’m allowed to have [[Noctes Atticae]] as ePub). :Sorry, the sentence in parentheses isn’t a complaint. Please, do as you please, but my contribution is: consider that you might be making contributions way harder, project growth way slower and administrators’ roles way more complicated (probably, than they could and should be). :Many thanks for your help and your project, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 17:15, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think there is consensus we can switch this off. Let me know if I can help in any way if you think it's time to switch it off. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:25, 4 Octobris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks for the reminder and agreed for removal, so I created a task on Phabricator here : [[Phab:T406424]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:42, 5 Octobris 2025 (UTC) ::::Thanks for filing this @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] , the Wikimedia tech team seem to have finished their work on this now! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:16, 18 Octobris 2025 (UTC) == Index page error "Error: Invalid interval" == I am getting an error: at [[:Liber:Nos in schola latine loquimur - Ars latine loquendi.pdf]] "Error: Invalid interval" for the paginae listing; even when set to <code><nowiki><pagelist 1=1 /></nowiki></code>. Any clues appreciated! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:48, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :This might be the infamous "0x0 bug" that has plagued Wikisource for two? three? years. Normally it resolves doing a purge in both the file page in Commons and in the local Wikisource. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 19:34, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Thanks, that seems to b working now. 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We think it may be necessary to use a special / embedded font to do this, as I think was meant for <nowiki>{{blackletter}}</nowiki> ({{blackletter|exempli gratia}}; see [[Formula:Blackletter/styles.css]], although this does not seem to be calling a font at the moment). Does anyone have any advice about how we would add a webfont to LAWS's CSS, particularly for ℣ and ℟ ; or if there is a way to use an existing webfont with these characters that might be available to us? (Or if there is some other workable solution). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:58, 24 Octobris 2025 (UTC) == Vandalismus == Vidi nuper nonnihil vandalismi, qualis in [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Veni,_Veni_Emmanuel!&curid=12961&diff=244803&oldid=244791 hoc] et [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Old_Testament_(Vulgate)/Hieremias_propheta&action=history illo] apparuit. 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If you need anything else, please ping me, as I don't normally follow the Scriptorium. [[Usor:Candalua|Candalua]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Candalua|disputatio]]) 07:09, 17 Aprilis 2026 (UTC) ::Gratias ago maximas! [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 08:51, 17 Aprilis 2026 (UTC) == Action Required: Update templates/modules for electoral maps (Migrating from P1846 to P14226) == Hello everyone, This is a notice regarding an ongoing data migration on Wikidata that may affect your election-related templates and Lua modules (such as <code>Module:Itemgroup/list</code>). '''The Change:'''<br /> Currently, many templates pull electoral maps from Wikidata using the property [[:d:Property:P1846|P1846]], combined with the qualifier [[:d:Property:P180|P180]]: [[:d:Q19571328|Q19571328]]. We are migrating this data (across roughly 4,000 items) to a newly created, dedicated property: '''[[:d:Property:P14226|P14226]]'''. 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I am helping with this as well. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:01, 12 Maii 2026 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Vote now in the 2026 U4C election</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="announcement-content" /> Eligible voters are asked to participate in the 2026 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee]] election. More information–including an eligibility check, voting process information, candidate information, and a link to the vote–are available on Meta at the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Election/2026|2026 Election information page]]. The vote closes on 2 June 2026 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1780358400 00:00 UTC]. Please vote if your account is eligible. Results will be available by 14 June 2026. -- In cooperation with the U4C,<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 17:15, 27 Maii 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=30513860 --> == Formula:FI == {{tl|FI}} is currently broken and ignores the {{para|width}} param. All images are set to the default size, which is usually very large, like in [[Lirica (Ariosto)]]. [[Usor:Trooper57|Trooper57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Trooper57|disputatio]]) 21:06, 31 Maii 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, I guess we should check how it is behaving in the Italian wiki(s)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:16, 7 Iunii 2026 (UTC) == Copyright problem? Appropriate for here? == What is going on here? * [[Scriptor:Coronus_Tenebrosius]] * [[Contemplationes_Metaphysicae]] * [[Puteus_Chaosi]] * [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius]] No statement of copyright. No proof of authorship. paginae vanitatis ? [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 08:24, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Cum iure auctoris problemata non habebimus, si auctor ipse opera exponit. Et si delere consilium capiemus, [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Saumache|magistratus non habemus]], qui hoc faciant. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:37, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :<blockquote>'''Salvete.''' '''Nomen meum est Krunoslav Mrkoci, et ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' est interpretatio nominis mei in linguam Latinam, id est identitas mea Latina.''' '''Confirmo me ipsum auctorem esse omnium operum hic editorum. Opera primum Croatice scripta sunt, hic autem in versione Latina proposita.''' '''Praeterea fere omnia opera mea iam antea Croatice edita sunt in forma typographica. Id praesertim ad carmina mea pertinet, quae primum anno 1998 in libello iuvenili edita sunt, deinde in variis commentariis typis impressis, inter quos eminenter numeratur periodicum litterarium, culturalis et scientificum ''Riječi'' (Latine: ''Verba''), quod bis delectum e carminibus meis protulit.''' '''Item magna pars commentationum aliarumque prosarum, quae hic in linguam Latinam conversa sunt, iam antea et typis et forma electronica in Croatia divulgata est.''' Quaeso ut attendatis ad paginam meam in Wikidata, ubi tam sub nomine Croatico ''Krunoslav Mrkoci'' quam sub nomine Latino ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' ut auctor operum meorum inscriptus sum. Gratias ago pro lectione. '''Coronus Tenebrosius'''.</blockquote> [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius|Coronus Tenebrosius]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Coronus Tenebrosius|disputatio]]) 12:23, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) == Copying some templates from the English Wikisource == Hello, Would someone please be able to help me get [[s:en:Template:ppoem|en:Template:ppoem]], [[s:en:blackletter|en:blackletter]], [[s:en:Template:he|en:Template:he]], and [[s:en:Template:grc|en:Template:grc]] available to use on this Wikisource, so I can utilize them here? For the blackletter, I've tried [[Formula:Gothica|Gothica]], but that doesn't seem to be rendering properly. Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 00:04, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] I made the shortcut for [[Formula:Graeca]]. You should not need any administror rights to do anything you need, I'll take a look into it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 09:46, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Blackletter is already here, [[:Formula:Gothica]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:57, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Hi! @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]], thanks! Just for clarification, do I need to make the template pages in Latin, or is it alright to copy them in English? Also, @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], I mentioned this above, but for some reason, the Gothica template isn't working for me. See [[Pagina:Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf/15]], for example. Any idea why that might be the case? [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 16:16, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] This wiki lacks proper guidelines and recommendations, I would prefer if you translated the template's name, e.g., [[Formula:spatium]] rather than [[Formula:spatio]] but given the international nature of the project (nobody's mother tongue is Latin) best practice should be to add translated names as shortcuts/redirects. Beware adding templates that are already on the wiki under a different name ([[Formula:grc]] was already at [[Formula:Graeca]]). I took a quick look and it seems the fonts used by the blackletter template are not installed on the wiki; the same template does not seem to work on the French Wikisource either. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 17:40, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::Maybe we have sufficient powers to add the fonts now? Or we can ask someone with additional permissions to do so. But yes I remember now this has been a long standing problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:54, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::[https://yaytext.com/fraktur/ This converter] 𝔠𝔬𝔫𝔳𝔢𝔯𝔱𝔰 𝔩𝔢𝔱𝔱𝔢𝔯𝔰 𝔱𝔬 𝔉𝔯𝔞𝔨𝔱𝔲𝔯 (because it exists in Unicode as separate characters). <s>However, I'm not sure if such text can be found using a regular search.</s> No, Wikipedia search finds it. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:48, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::I looked into using the converter, but I'm running into the issue of lack of compatibility with {{[[Formula:Ls|Ls]]}}. Would it be better to just wait for the font to be added? Do we have any idea when that will happen/who needs to be contacted for that to happen? ::::Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 19:34, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::::These Unicode characters don't feel right on my labtop, they have heigth issues among other things. I went and asked on two different wikis about the fonts, I will come back to you when I get some answers. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 19:41, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :[[Formula:Poema recte formatum]] or [[Formula:Ppoem]] now work, altho there's issues with the documentation page. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:52, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 21:20, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{tl|blackletter}} was not working for me, even after locally installing UnifrakturMaguntia from Google fonts, until I restarted my web browser, which also followed my rebooting. Also, it can't be just any gothic/blackletter font, but must be one of these Fraktur fonts: UnifrakturMaguntia UnifrakturCook Unifraktur. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 21:19, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{ping|Demetrius Talpa|JimKillock|Erblanchard57}} Fonts are downloaded locally, you need to go to Modi/Praeferentiae > Proprietates > Sermonis delectus > Plura > Scripturae and toggle "Download fonts when needed". The option seems not to be that easy to toggle on by default. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 10:56, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, great. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:09, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you very much! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 15:57, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::English WS seems to pull the font in from a repository. I've copied over the module ULS, css etc, would be good to know if it has made any difference. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::{{blackletter|fraktur}} etc [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I just deactivated the "download fonts when needed" option for a second to see if it would work without it, and it still doesn't. 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Every page now has the "Proofread" status, except that a few are also "Validated". I expect it will take quite a while before the whole book gets that second read, if it ever will. My question: is it already acceptable to transclude the text into the main namespace at this stage, even though most pages are only single-proofread rather than validated? Or is there a convention on this Wikisource that a work should be fully validated before merging onto the mainspace? Gratias vobis ago pro consiliis vestris. [[Usor:Sakvaka|Sakvaka]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Sakvaka|disputatio]]) 09:16, 25 Iulii 2026 (UTC) :Of course, this is acceptable; the texts there are of very different quality. Besides, transclusion slightly increases the chances that someone will find it for re-examination. 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Pittacium idcirco e pagina detraxi. --[[Usor:Grufo|Grufo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Grufo|disputatio]]) 20:50, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Nam eaedem quidem editiones sunt, quibusdam minusculis in maiusculas versis litteris formaque apostropharum solum differunt. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 21:08, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default == Hi @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] and others, I noticed that [[:Formula:Littera s longa]] has been changed so that <nowiki>{{s}}</nowiki> produces ſ rather than s by default. This is in contrast to for example English Wikipedia which allows it as a user option, but assumes it is "s" by default. For other formulae, eg {{um}}, {{us}}, {{que}}, etc these are "off" by default. Likewise {{ae}}, {{oe}} I believe are off by default currently. There various ways that this can work, for example: * we could provide a user switch for either state per symbol, etc (with JS, as per EN.WS) * we can provide advice about applying fonts, etc, that can set ſ, ae/oe ligatures, etc, through css preferences * CSS can specify some of this per book (not all ligatures, eg {{que}} can be applied through CSS, and it depends on installed fonts in some cases) * we ''might'' be able to apply a default javascript switch behaviour per book rather than sitewide I don't have a massive preference for s over ſ, or ae / oe over or æ / œ ; but we should I think at least allow users to easily switch, especially re ſ if it is the default. Just throwing it out there for discussion, to see what the general feeling / preference would be. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:40, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :I lacked the rights to have it be toggled on and off through a gadget, we should ask interface administrators to do it, that should be the best way about it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 22:45, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] Take a look to itwikisource gadget "memoRegex". It allows to save and share nsIntex-specific, customable sets of regex or plain substitutions, and it has been recently refined by @Candalua (a great job!). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 10:39, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Portal pages == Hi all, I'd like to suggest we create a few "Portal" pages for some key topics, so we can detail what is good and why rather than just provide category pages. There's a need for a page for introductory Latin, for example, which could explain levels of suitability of texts. See also [[#Navigation and validation]] above To do this, we need community consensus to add a namespace, and then, it is done through a request at Phabricator. The namespace would define what this group of pages were called eg [[Portus:Index]] and also the name of the "Disputatio" (discussion) pages. Please let me know if you agree with this proposal or not, so we can demonstrate consensus for the change to be made. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:50, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :cc @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]]@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:12, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::I consent to the proposal, though I am not sure about the translation 'Portus'. I think that 'Aditus' would better suit this usecase, since from portals users will be able to 'adire' the relevant pages. P.S. Out of curiosity I have checked the dictionary of A. Perugini, and he translates 'portale' as 'porta principalis. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:31, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Ok, sure (regardless, the Vicifons namespace could be used meanwhile to do some testing for the content). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 12:25, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::Ok (even if I'm a inactive admin... :-( ) [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 12:55, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::I totatlly agree! - [[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:OrbiliusMagister|disputatio]]) 13:28, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] By the way, it would be nice if you could [[Vicifons:Scriptorium#Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default|check this out]]! [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 20:53, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Wikiversity was originally intended for educational purposes. But a portal can be created here too. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:00, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I think it would be best to take inspiration from [[:w:la]], at least for the vocabulary. This would: :* provide a vocabulary and structure people may be well acquainted with already :* facilitate our work, not having to find the proper terms for ourselves :* have some sort of continuity between Latin projects :I had started doing this for documentation templates, as they where copied as is from [[:en:Wikisource]]. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 20:50, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::Sure, what do you mean in practice? Does W:la have a phrase for Portal? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 21:29, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::I must say I don't really understand what you precisely intend to put on these pages and why they could not be of the Vicifons namespace. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 00:35, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::It's probably done on En:ws so that search works across portals and mainspace pages but not advice pages; or that search in advice pages does not include results from mainspace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:37, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::Here are some ideas for core pages, following nomenclature used by [[:w:la]] and [[:en:Wikisource]] (names are not definite): :::::* [[Vicifons:De stilo]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Style guide]]) including: titles and their capitalization, use of Roman/Arabic numerals, use of classifiers before numbers (liber, carmen, etc.); regularization of spelling (in non-facsimile pages), anchors, etc. :::::* [[Vicifons:Qualitas paginarum]] :::::* [[Vicifons:De categoriis]] :::::* [[Vicifons:De fontibus]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Sources]]) about how and where, or how not and where not, to find good sources, the fact that most pages don't have sources or are copied from bad sources, e.g., The Latin Library, how to recify this, etc. :::::And help pages: :::::* [[Auxilium:De digitizationem textorum imaginumque ad usum Vicifontis]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Help:Digitising texts and images for Wikisource]]) :::::* etc. :::::I'd be happy to batch something for [[Vicifons:De stilo]], as I think it is really needed. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 13:01, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::I agree, a style guide is badly needed. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:20, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I have sketched something up in my [[Usor:Saumache/Pagina cerata|sandbox]], rules are based on common practices of this wiki and personal preferences, please add rules, comments, sections, etc. without removing anything for the moment: we may discuss any of it on a dedicated discussion page. If my process isn't right and you think or know we sould do this some other way, please tell me. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 16:06, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Quae hucusque scripsisti, mihi bona videntur. Just a minor thing: the slash at the end of the link should not be included: it should be <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I]]</nowiki></code> and not <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>. The rules 'de titulis paginarum' will be particularly useful for the classical works on Wikisource, since they are a mess in this regard. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:25, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::This mostly looks good to me, although I would emphasise keeping to the orthography, numbering style, of the original texts. We are a source project after all. Variance across transcriptions is fine, but changing the source style to a project style should be kept to the minimum. All that said, in my view it's also OK to allow variances per transcription project, not least as they can be copied and re-done as people wish. ::::::::I very much agree about encouraging people to use good sources, and preferably to link them via a transcription process so they can be verified. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:11, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::::::I meant a stricter/standard orthography only for non-facsimile classical works whose original layout, orthography, etc. we don't know or poorly know, or would anyway not imitate (else we want it like this: ARMA⸱VIRVM⸱QVE⸱CANO). I think it would therefore be better to be more loosely dependent on our source editions and have a more unifying approach regarding these texts, nothwistanding the fact that a lot of these are bad copypastes of already very bad digitization from The Latin Library, and that these texts would take decades to be made into facsimile, accounting for how few we are. See for example [[Aeneis]], where people added macrons, using u's instead of v's makes searches more tedious, having letters be upper case at the start of sentences and verses as a norm would also be nice, appearance of poems, etc.; we should be able to do this if we want to, but according to rules which would be stated somewhere. I'd still understand if you are strictly against this. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 21:23, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::That all makes sense, altho I'd add we should encourage that non-linked texts be replaced with linked texts. If that was done, then versions with macrons, or other variations, could be hosted elsewhere, eg Wikibooks. In general, it seems to me that a copypasted text doesn't really meet the criteria for a Wikisource text, as it's not easily corrected, verified or even stable, given people can decide to change it according to their own tastes, whether stylistic or in terms of the editorial choices for works that ultimately depend on interpretation of competing medieval manuscripts. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 21:57, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::I suppose the ligatures bit is potentially controversial. I've built a system for my own transcriptions to toggle many scribal conventions on and off, eg & for early modern books; see ''[[De Principe]]'' for example. Some of these would be considered ligatures. My rationale is that it allows for preservation of the original orthography and presentation of a more modern version for everyday use. As for search, tho, doing this for some characters eg q; will cause a cost to some searching. But ae / oe are usually or often not a problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:20, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::On Vicipaedia portals are simply combined [[:w:la:Categoria:Portae|into a category]]; it is not necessary to ask the Phabricator. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 08:19, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::<small>The link you have sent is actually a category of pages about city gates (lat. ''portae''). Though,</small> It is true that we can still write portal pages without a dedicated namespace, and just group them with templates and categories. For example on German wikisource there is no author namespace, they just have an [[:de:Kategorie:Autoren|'author' category]]. It is an idea that is worth considering. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:38, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::We [[:w:la:Categoria:Portae Vicipaedianae|renamed it]] yesterday. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 16:57, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) 70ypx341z5ylhrj1clqecchw9fcsh2b 277054 277010 2026-08-23T07:57:21Z SZC 03 22335 /* Portal pages */ Reply 277054 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ <!--- __NOTOC__ --->[[Categoria:Vicifons|Scriptorium]] {{Intraincepti |w= Vicipaedia:Taberna |q= Vicicitatio:Taberna |commons: <!-- Communia --> |b= Vicilibri:Porta Communis |wikt= Victionarium:Taberna |m= <!-- Meta --> |wikispecies= <!-- Vicispecies --> |n= <!-- Vicinuntii --> }} <div class="toccolours" style="text-align:center; font-size:14pt; background:#eef; color:navy; "> Hac pagina scriptorium Vicifontis est.<br /> <small><small>Nunc iam sunt '''{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}''' paginae. 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In cooperation with the U4C -- <section end="announcement-content" /> </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 03:41, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)</div> <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s) == On EN wikisource, they have a template <nowiki>{{longs}}</nowiki> to produce ''ſ'' on the transcription page, and by default, ''s'' on the ebook page. users on EN WS can toggle these on and off. In this book, [[:la:Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']], there are a number of unusual characters that could do with toggling: ''ſ (s); ß (ss); ẽ (en / em) ũ (un / um) æ (ae) ę (ae) õ (on / om) ã (an / am) œ (oe)''. ([[:formula:ls]] already exists here for ſ, and some other characters semi-implemented at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] but the toggling is not switched on.) In order to implement this: (1) What would LA WiCategoria:Formulae litterarumkisource need to enable for user toggling of special characters? (2) Who would I contact (assuming this is an admin task)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:06, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :It looks like it would need this installing, as a start: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js|MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:13, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|OrbiliusMagister}} as the only active magister! --[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:16, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|SZC 03}} in case you have an opinion (you made changes at the De Pricipia transcription project which we could implement better with this toggle feature). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:31, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::I would like to point out that not all of the listed characters are of the same kind: ::* ſ is a variant of s; ::* ß, æ and œ are [[:w:en:Ligature (writing)|ligatures]] of ſs, ae and oe respectively ([[:w:en:E caudata|ę]] can represent both ae or oe); ::* ã, ẽ, õ, ũ are used to indicate [[:w:en:Scribal abbreviation|abbreviations]]. ::Personally I think it would be somewhat useful to implement the toggle feature only for æ and œ, since of all the ligatures they are the only ones that carry some meaning (that ae or oe in that word is a diphthong) and the only ones that easily show up in search results and correctly displayed in web-browsers. ::Note that both English and Italian wikisources in their transcription guidelines take in consideration the ability of both modern readers and search engines to correctly interpret the character shown (see [[:en:Wikisource:Style guide/Orthography]] and [[:it:Wikisource:Convenzioni di trascrizione]]). Though it would be useful to write rules specific to the Latin wikisource. ::I hope these considerations were of any help. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 07:58, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) ::In regards to the [[Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']] it would be appropriate to encode the text in a way that we do not lose your work of accurately transcribing the above characters, while still showing to the end user a normalized form. My edit was trying to achieve this with the templates currently in wikisource. ::From a technical standpoint, it would be useful to have a general template not specific to any character that could be used both in ''ad hoc'' situations, and in creating other templates. ::Also if such a template is created for abbreviations it should behave differently from the long s and ligatures, since 1) the text displayed is context dependent, and 2) it is common use in diplomatic transcriptions to show the abbreviated characters in parentheses (so I were taught in paleography class). ::To give an example of point 2 from the text ([[Pagina:Nicolaus_Machiavellus_De_Principe.pdf/69|page 45]], line 11): ::Original text: Iãq́ꝫ ::Diplomatic transcription: Ia(m)q(ue) ::Standard transcription: Iamque ::I’m sorry for the lengthy comments. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:02, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I agree something adhoc would be helpful. The template would need to specify :::* the text as-is and :::* the modernised version :::and hopefully there would be a system to pick up which to display. :::In terms of the display: this could be the js system, perhaps adapted, that we have on en.ws, or possibly it could be an adjustment to the page templates set up, to allow two different books, or sets of pages, to be presented. This would have the advantage that exports would facilitate both (IDK but suspect that exports support the default rather than user choice). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 15:48, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I have set out this information in a [[Usor:JimKillock/Orthography|table]] including information about dictionary lookups and likely search engine issues. In short, from a user perspective, all the characters can be problematic, but æ and œ work within Alpheios for dictionary lookups, so are a bit more tolerable than the others from a default perspective. However I think it is useful tobe able to see and use the originals for some people, eg those practicing reading Renaissance scans etc; or researchers or academics looking to use source texts. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:09, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|Alex brollo}}, {{ping|VIGNERON}}, {{ping|Candalua}} in case you can help. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:38, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] Interesting question. I'll take a look to the ensource template to understand how it works (I hope it is not based on javascript). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 06:18, 1 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I’m afraid it is based on javascript: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] :::To see the button you have to enable the [[:en:Help:Gadget-Visibility|Visibility gadget]]. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:12, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] checking in whether we can implement this, or find another solution. I am holding off further changes until I know how to proceed - but I am sure there should be a way to do this! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:40, 19 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::Noting this question comes up again at [[:Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] (I have [[Disputatio Libri:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|left a note there]]). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:08, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::OK, I have developed templates as this is holding up other people's work. I have based each template on the existing [[:formula:ls]], and avoid duplicating those that already exist using the same method at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]]. Meantime if anyone has further thoughts about using Visibility Gadget or going another way, I would be very grateful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:02, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] I have made a very basic template for flexible character switching at [[Formula:Scr]]; this returns the first entry on the book page, and the second in main space, eg <nowiki>{{scr|qꝫ|que}}</nowiki> would work the same as <nowiki>{{que}}</nowiki>. :::::However there is advice on ENWS not to use characters but use HTML entities for CSS reasons, so it is probably better for users to use specific templates. For example, I also created <nowiki>{{po}}</nowiki> which allows a user to decide what it might best represent, eg <nowiki>{{po|;}} or {{po|?}}</nowiki>. :::::In general, using set templates like <nowiki>{{que}}, {{em}}, {{um}}, {{etc}}</nowiki> is much easier for proofing, so I think I will continue to add these where it seems useful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:29, 24 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Hi folks, so that you know, I have made something of a workaround to be able to enable these features, which works well enough for me. I will perhaps add some guidance somewhere. What I have done: ::::::# Installed the font Garamontio, as it has the qꝫ character, and all the possible ligatures ::::::# Created custom css to apply Garamontio to Wikisource as a whole; at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.css]]; and ::::::# Created (vibecoded) custom javascript at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.js]] ::::::The second script looks for the various spans with the css style typographic-long-s, and replaces the characters as appropriate. This seems to work surprisingly well, Garamontio does all of the discretionary ligatures etc, and is a very well designed font (fork of EB Garamond, with some extra touches useful here). The issue is of course that this applies to the whole of Latin Wikisource all of the time. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:35, 25 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], reading this I wanted to tell you that you could apply styles to a index page, but I see you have already figured it out. Kudos on your progress. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 09:56, 9 Iulii 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Thanks @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]]; my list of scribal transformations has got quite long tho. And I need to check on the possible logic of it, some needs to hide and unhide, rather than search and replace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:27, 11 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == We will be enabling the new Charts extension on your wiki soon! == ''(Apologies for posting in English)'' Hi all! We have good news to share regarding the ongoing problem with graphs and charts affecting all wikis that use them. As you probably know, the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|old Graph extension]] was disabled in 2023 [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/EWL4AGBEZEDMNNFTM4FRD4MHOU3CVESO/|due to security reasons]]. We’ve worked in these two years to find a solution that could replace the old extension, and provide a safer and better solution to users who wanted to showcase graphs and charts in their articles. We therefore developed the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Charts extension]], which will be replacing the old Graph extension and potentially also the [[:mw:Extension:EasyTimeline|EasyTimeline extension]]. After successfully deploying the extension on Italian, Swedish, and Hebrew Wikipedia, as well as on MediaWiki.org, as part of a pilot phase, we are now happy to announce that we are moving forward with the next phase of deployment, which will also include your wiki. The deployment will happen in batches, and will start from '''May 6'''. Please, consult [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|our page on MediaWiki.org]] to discover when the new Charts extension will be deployed on your wiki. You can also [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|consult the documentation]] about the extension on MediaWiki.org. If you have questions, need clarifications, or just want to express your opinion about it, please refer to the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension_talk:Chart/Project|project’s talk page on Mediawiki.org]], or ping me directly under this thread. If you encounter issues using Charts once it gets enabled on your wiki, please report it on the [[:mw:Extension_talk:Chart/Project|talk page]] or at [[phab:tag/charts|Phabricator]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 15:07, 6 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sannita_(WMF)/Mass_sending_test&oldid=28663781 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Call for Candidates for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C)</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="announcement-content" /> The results of voting on the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Guidelines and Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) Charter is [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Annual review/2025#Results|available on Meta-wiki]]. You may now [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025/Candidates|submit your candidacy to serve on the U4C]] through 29 May 2025 at 12:00 UTC. 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If you have any questions, you can ask on [[m:Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025|the discussion page for the election]]. -- in cooperation with the U4C, </div><section end="announcement-content" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User_talk:Keegan (WMF)|disputatio]])</bdi> 22:08, 15 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> ''(Apologies for posting in English, if this is not your first language)'' Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation. You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:27, 22 Maii 2025 (UTC) </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sannita_(WMF)/Mass_sending_test&oldid=28768453 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection & Call for Questions</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="announcement-content" /> :''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Selection announcement|{{int:interlanguage-link-mul}}]] • [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-{{urlencode:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Selection announcement}}&language=&action=page&filter= {{int:please-translate}}]'' Dear all, This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats. The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4]. Here are the key planned dates: * May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6] * June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates * July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5] * August 2025: Campaign period * August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period * October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates * Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]]. '''Call for Questions''' In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]] '''Election Volunteers''' Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]] Thank you! [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results [2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter [3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024 [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates Best regards, Victoria Doronina Board Liaison to the Elections Committee Governance Committee<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 03:08, 28 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:RamzyM (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Administrator backlog? == Hi there, I am noticing a lot of pages that say that the current version is not checked; and versions I have amended are not (apparently) displayed because they need approval. Am I right in assuming this is due to a lack of (active) administrator time? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:53, 30 Maii 2025 (UTC) :Relatedly @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] / @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] / other admins, [[Colloquia familiaria]] has an old index page and other old sub pages which could do with changes being approved. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:58, 12 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::Ping on this, some of the sub pages are quite broken. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:42, 28 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :I have tried to fix the lack of text in ePub export for [[Noctes Atticae]]. :Unfortunately, it seems that all my submissions require approval (last approval seems to have taken place more than five years ago). :Is there any way to have <code>class="ws-export"</code> to the second <code>&lt;table&gt;</code> from [[Noctes Atticae]]? :Many thanks for your help, [[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 19:09, 15 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] Checking you know this is working now [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:21, 18 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Vote now in the 2025 U4C Election == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> Apologies for writing in English. {{Int:Please-translate}} Eligible voters are asked to participate in the 2025 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee]] election. More information–including an eligibility check, voting process information, candidate information, and a link to the vote–are available on Meta at the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Election/2025|2025 Election information page]]. The vote closes on 17 June 2025 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1750161600 12:00 UTC]. Please vote if your account is eligible. Results will be available by 1 July 2025. -- In cooperation with the U4C, [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 23:01, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28848819 --> == Mnemonics Book in Latin == Dear all, Over the past month, with the help of others, I’ve been compiling a list of older and often overlooked books on mnemonic techniques available on [[:en:Portal:Mnemonics|Wikisource English]]. Many of these works—some dating back decades or even centuries—offer fascinating insights into how memory has been understood, trained, and improved across different cultures and time periods. I've recently added a new section to the portal: "Multilingual Works on Mnemonic Techniques." This is in part because several of the English-language texts reference related works in other languages, particularly Latin. Unfortunately, many of these referenced works are written in Classical Latin, and my ability to work with them is quite limited—I’ve done what I can, but they remain largely inaccessible to me. If anyone has expertise in Classical Latin and might be willing to help with these texts, your assistance would be greatly appreciated. * ''[[:la:Foenix|Foenix]] by [[w:en:Peter of Ravenna|Peter of Ravenna]]'' (1491) * ''[[:la:Congestorium Artificiose Memorie|Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]'' by Johann Horst von Romberch (1533) [[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032259.jpg|150px]][[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032269.jpg|150px]] Here is a discussion form on it https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/johannes-romberchs-congestorium-artificiose-memorie/30174 Warm regards [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 23:15, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :Hi there, I could help proofing texts you have prepared perhaps? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:57, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :: Thanks for offering—I’d really appreciate your help with proofreading. :: We have two books. Which one would you like to start with? ::*[[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] ::*[[Liber:Congestorium artificiose memorie ... - V.P.F. Joa(n)nis Romberch de Kyrspe. Regularis obseruantie predicatorie- (IA hin-wel-all-00002875-001).pdf]] ::[[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 21:49, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I can do the pages you have put into the first, as a start for you. BTW the transcribed text does not always look like it originated from the source. It is very correct, but some has different orthography and missed certain parts. That is fine of course if we are correcting to the original. (PS: you might want to create a user account so that you can be notified of replies, hide your IP address, etc). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:57, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I had a go at the first page or two; some of the orthography was removed while other parts were kept. I kept all of it as a first go. See the discussion above about how we treat orthography, hopefully we can address this with templates. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:11, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::I'm using Google OCR and some AI tools to pull out text and sometimes translate it into English so I can understand it. If anyone could help me proofread or check it, I’d be super grateful! [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 00:50, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::I have added all the templates we need for the special characters / orthography, I will start doing the pages with those. The end result will be that on the main space ebook pages, the chars will toggle on and off, at least once that is properly implemented. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:25, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Noted, sounds good. I’ll try adding to the other pages next time. [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 22:10, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 - Call for Candidates</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="announcement-content" /> :''<div class="plainlinks">[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Call for candidates|{{int:interlanguage-link-mul}}]] • [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-{{urlencode:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Call for candidates}}&language=&action=page&filter= {{int:please-translate}}]</div> Hello all, The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025|call for candidates for the 2025 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees selection is now open]] from June 17, 2025 – July 2, 2025 at 11:59 UTC [1]. The Board of Trustees oversees the Wikimedia Foundation's work, and each Trustee serves a three-year term [2]. This is a volunteer position. This year, the Wikimedia community will vote in late August through September 2025 to fill two (2) seats on the Foundation Board. Could you – or someone you know – be a good fit to join the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees? [3] Learn more about what it takes to stand for these leadership positions and how to submit your candidacy on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Candidate application|this Meta-wiki page]] or encourage someone else to run in this year's election. Best regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi<br /> Chair of the Elections Committee On behalf of the Elections Committee and Governance Committee [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Call_for_candidates [2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal:Bylaws#(B)_Term. [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Resources_for_candidates<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 17:44, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:RamzyM (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28866958 --> == [[De Principe]] == Si vis, quaeso, me adiuva ut liber novus ''[[De Principe]]'' correctus sit et erroribus liber. Nuper completus, ab aliquo alio corrigendus est. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:14, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Sister Projects Task Force reviews Wikispore and Wikinews</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Dear Wikimedia Community, The [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee|Community Affairs Committee (CAC)]] of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees assigned [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Sister Projects Task Force|the Sister Projects Task Force (SPTF)]] to update and implement a procedure for assessing the lifecycle of Sister Projects – wiki [[m:Wikimedia projects|projects supported by Wikimedia Foundation (WMF)]]. A vision of relevant, accessible, and impactful free knowledge has always guided the Wikimedia Movement. As the ecosystem of Wikimedia projects continues to evolve, it is crucial that we periodically review existing projects to ensure they still align with our goals and community capacity. Despite their noble intent, some projects may no longer effectively serve their original purpose. '''Reviewing such projects is not about giving up – it's about responsible stewardship of shared resources'''. Volunteer time, staff support, infrastructure, and community attention are finite, and the non-technical costs tend to grow significantly as our ecosystem has entered a different age of the internet than the one we were founded in. Supporting inactive projects or projects that didn't meet our ambitions can unintentionally divert these resources from areas with more potential impact. Moreover, maintaining projects that no longer reflect the quality and reliability of the Wikimedia name stands for, involves a reputational risk. An abandoned or less reliable project affects trust in the Wikimedia movement. Lastly, '''failing to sunset or reimagine projects that are no longer working can make it much harder to start new ones'''. When the community feels bound to every past decision – no matter how outdated – we risk stagnation. A healthy ecosystem must allow for evolution, adaptation, and, when necessary, letting go. If we create the expectation that every project must exist indefinitely, we limit our ability to experiment and innovate. Because of this, SPTF reviewed two requests concerning the lifecycle of the Sister Projects to work through and demonstrate the review process. We chose Wikispore as a case study for a possible new Sister Project opening and Wikinews as a case study for a review of an existing project. Preliminary findings were discussed with the CAC, and a community consultation on both proposals was recommended. === Wikispore === The [[m:Wikispore|application to consider Wikispore]] was submitted in 2019. SPTF decided to review this request in more depth because rather than being concentrated on a specific topic, as most of the proposals for the new Sister Projects are, Wikispore has the potential to nurture multiple start-up Sister Projects. After careful consideration, the SPTF has decided '''not to recommend''' Wikispore as a Wikimedia Sister Project. Considering the current activity level, the current arrangement allows '''better flexibility''' and experimentation while WMF provides core infrastructural support. We acknowledge the initiative's potential and seek community input on what would constitute a sufficient level of activity and engagement to reconsider its status in the future. As part of the process, we shared the decision with the Wikispore community and invited one of its leaders, Pharos, to an SPTF meeting. Currently, we especially invite feedback on measurable criteria indicating the project's readiness, such as contributor numbers, content volume, and sustained community support. This would clarify the criteria sufficient for opening a new Sister Project, including possible future Wikispore re-application. However, the numbers will always be a guide because any number can be gamed. === Wikinews === We chose to review Wikinews among existing Sister Projects because it is the one for which we have observed the highest level of concern in multiple ways. Since the SPTF was convened in 2023, its members have asked for the community's opinions during conferences and community calls about Sister Projects that did not fulfil their promise in the Wikimedia movement.[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WCNA_2024._Sister_Projects_-_opening%3F_closing%3F_merging%3F_splitting%3F.pdf <nowiki>[1]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Sister_Projects_Task_Force#Wikimania_2023_session_%22Sister_Projects:_past,_present_and_the_glorious_future%22 <nowiki>[2]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[3]</nowiki>] Wikinews was the leading candidate for an evaluation because people from multiple language communities proposed it. Additionally, by most measures, it is the least active Sister Project, with the greatest drop in activity over the years. While the Language Committee routinely opens and closes language versions of the Sister Projects in small languages, there has never been a valid proposal to close Wikipedia in major languages or any project in English. This is not true for Wikinews, where there was a proposal to close English Wikinews, which gained some traction but did not result in any action[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_English_Wikinews <nowiki>[4]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[5]</nowiki>, see section 5] as well as a draft proposal to close all languages of Wikinews[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_closing_projects/Archive_2#Close_Wikinews_completely,_all_languages? <nowiki>[6]</nowiki>]. [[:c:File:Sister Projects Taskforce Wikinews review 2024.pdf|Initial metrics]] compiled by WMF staff also support the community's concerns about Wikinews. Based on this report, SPTF recommends a community reevaluation of Wikinews. We conclude that its current structure and activity levels are the lowest among the existing sister projects. SPTF also recommends pausing the opening of new language editions while the consultation runs. SPTF brings this analysis to a discussion and welcomes discussions of alternative outcomes, including potential restructuring efforts or integration with other Wikimedia initiatives. '''Options''' mentioned so far (which might be applied to just low-activity languages or all languages) include but are not limited to: *Restructure how Wikinews works and is linked to other current events efforts on the projects, *Merge the content of Wikinews into the relevant language Wikipedias, possibly in a new namespace, *Merge content into compatibly licensed external projects, *Archive Wikinews projects. Your insights and perspectives are invaluable in shaping the future of these projects. We encourage all interested community members to share their thoughts on the relevant discussion pages or through other designated feedback channels. === Feedback and next steps === We'd be grateful if you want to take part in a conversation on the future of these projects and the review process. We are setting up two different project pages: [[m:Public consultation about Wikispore|Public consultation about Wikispore]] and [[m:Public consultation about Wikinews|Public consultation about Wikinews]]. Please participate between 27 June 2025 and 27 July 2025, after which we will summarize the discussion to move forward. You can write in your own language. I will also host a community conversation 16th July Wednesday 11.00 UTC and 17th July Thursday 17.00 UTC (call links to follow shortly) and will be around at Wikimania for more discussions. <section end="message"/> </div> -- [[User:Victoria|Victoria]] on behalf of the Sister Project Task Force, 20:57, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Johan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Johan_(WMF)/Sister_project_MassMassage_on_behalf_of_Victoria/Target_list&oldid=28911188 --> == Latin incunabula and other early books == Expanding a bit on what I mentioned above, re character toggling, and also working on the books [[Foenix]] and [[Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae]] * the Transkribus Latin Incunabula scan does a great job on the heavy gothic style print * I will see how it does with more Garamond-style texts, in case it works with these * I have developed a fairly full set of templates for scribal characters, see [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] * I am thinking about using a bot to wholesale search and replace long s, and other scribal characters mapped there Between these things, the work to transcribe and correct early printed Latin books should be very much reduced. If anyone feels like helping test this out, do give me shout. Meantime I will run tests on Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae to check how well the bot system works. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:50, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :The folks at Wikisource helped create a JS solution for this, see [[Usor:JimKillock/incunabula.js]]. The script does a search and replace for what is needed, on the '''first save of a new book page'''; these are the settings for the Incunabula style section of [[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|this scan, p 52 onwards]] for [[Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]. It seems to work very well and is extremely labour saving! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 22:59, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == Navigation and validation == Hi there, I would like to do some work on navigation, to provide some "portal" pages similar to EN Wikisource. For example, this would help with learner texts a lot 9I often get asked how to find these texts, I point to the category pages, but these are very basic. I would also like to know what we should do about page validation. Some really necessary changes are currently languishing in the backlog. This is an admin only task: should we asking for more administrators, or is this something existing admins here can take on? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 14:08, 13 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :Hi {{U|JimKillock}} good idea, don't hesitate to start and/or ask for help. That said, I'm not sure to see why this is an admin task (even if, yes, the underlying point is true, we need more admins). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:31, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think the Portal namespace and some modules need setting up which require admin permissions, I will dig a bit further and come back to you. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Wikidata Item and Property labels soon displayed in Wiki Watchlist/Recent Changes == ''(Apologies for posting in English, you can help by translating into your language)'' Hello everyone, the [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects]] team is excited to announce an upcoming change in how Wikidata edit changelogs are displayed in your [[Special:Watchlist|Watchlists]] and [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]] lists. 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This extension is designed to help organizers plan and manage events, WikiProjects, and other on-wiki collaborations - and to make these efforts more discoverable. The three main features of this extension are: * '''[[:m:Event_Center/Registration|Event Registration]]''': A simple way to sign up for events on the wiki. * '''[[:m:CampaignEvents/Collaboration_list|Collaboration List]]''': A global list of events and a local list of WikiProjects, accessible at '''[[:m:Special:AllEvents|Special:AllEvents]]'''. * '''[[:m:Campaigns/Foundation_Product_Team/Invitation_list|Invitation Lists]]''': A tool to help organizers find editors who might want to join, based on their past contributions. '''Note''': The extension comes with a new user right called '''"Event Organizer"''', which will be managed by administrators on this Wikisource. Organizer tools like Event Registration and Invitation Lists will only work if someone is granted this right. The Collaboration List is available to everyone immediately after deployment. The extension is already live on several wikis, including '''all Wikipedia, Meta, Wikidata''', and more ( [[m:CampaignEvents/Deployment_status#Current_Deployment_Status_for_CampaignEvents_extension| See the full deployment list]]) If you have any questions, concerns, or feedback, please feel free to share them on the [[m:Talk:CampaignEvents| extension talkpage]]. We’d love to hear from you before the rollout. Thank you! <section end="message"/> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:Udehb-WMF|Udehb-WMF]] ([[User talk:Udehb-WMF|disputatio]]) 15:40, 31 Iulii 2025 (UTC)</bdi> <!-- Message sent by User:Udehb-WMF@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Udehb-WMF/sandbox/MM_target_Wikisource&oldid=29066664 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Temporary accounts will be rolled out soon</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="body"/> Hello, we are the Wikimedia Foundation [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity|Product Safety and Integrity]] team. We would like to announce that '''we plan to enable [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] for this wiki in the week of September 1'''. Temporary accounts are successfully live on 30 wikis, including many large ones like German, Japanese, and French. The change they bring is especially relevant to logged-out editors, who this feature is designed to protect. But it is also relevant to community members like mentors, patrollers, and admins – anyone who reverts edits, blocks users, or otherwise interacts with logged-out editors as part of keeping the wikis safe and accurate. '''Why we are building temporary accounts''' Our wikis should be safer to edit by default for logged-out editors. Temporary accounts allow people to continue editing the wikis without creating an account, while avoiding publicly tying their edits to their IP address. We believe this is in the best interest of our logged-out editors, who make valuable contributions to the wikis and who may later create accounts and grow our community of editors, admins, and other roles. Even though the wikis do warn logged-out editors that their IP address will be associated with their edit, many people may not understand what an IP address is, or that it could be used to connect them to other information about them in ways they might not expect. Additionally, our moderation software and tools rely too heavily on network origin (IP addresses) to identify users and patterns of activity, especially as IP addresses themselves are becoming less stable as identifiers. Temporary accounts allow for more precise interactions with logged-out editors, including more precise blocks, and can help limit how often we unintentionally end up blocking good-faith users who use the same IP addresses as bad-faith users. 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In comparison, an IP address can be shared with different devices and people (for example, different people at school or at work might have the same IP address). * Compared to the current situation, it will be safer to assume that a temporary user's talk page belongs to only one person, and messages left there will be read by them. As you can see in the screenshot, temporary account users will receive notifications. It will also be possible to thank them for their edits, ping them in discussions, and invite them to get more involved in the community. 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Thank you!<section end="body" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:user:NKohli (WMF)|NKohli (WMF)]], [[m:user:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]]</bdi> 21:36, 26 Augusti 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Quiddity_(WMF)/sandbox6&oldid=29181713 --> == All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae == I was looking for templates/formulae by looking at <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> All pages in [[Liber:Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Many (all?) pages in [[Liber:Gallia Christiana, 1715, T1.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki>, like article [[Gallia Christiana 1715 01/Epistola2]] These all use [[Formula:Sidenotes begin]]. There is one "[https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&oldid=79709&diff=cur pending change]" on this template. But that change puts the category outside the noinclude. ::<nowiki></noinclude></nowiki> ::<nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Please either reject the change or move the categoria line. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 04:17, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], I don't think anyone from the admins is monitoring or actioning pending changes currently. (see discussions re admin queues above.) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 05:29, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Shenme}} {{done}} I excluded the categories. {{ping|JimKillock}} no blame but be careful next time, categories should always be excluded. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:28, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|VIGNERON}} It wasn't @JimKillock who made [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&diff=next&oldid=79709 the problematic change], but someone else [[Usor:Ceciliawolf]]. I noticed the problem, he included the problem a list that got your attention. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 02:46, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Shenme}} yes, but [[Special:Diff/236794]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 06:57, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Request for admin status == Hi all, given that we have quite a lot of admin requests (mostly relating to "pending" changes), I would like to request administrator status so that some of these can be cleared. If anyone else wants to step up to help out, that would also be welcome. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:23, 1 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Ping to @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], @[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]]:, @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]]:, @[[Usor:Candalua|Candalua]]: in case you feel able to support my request. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:57, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Hi {{U|JimKillock}}, ::I apparently missed it, where do we have « a lot of admin requests » ? ::That said, one more admin is always good, so create the request and I'll support it. ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:34, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::Hi @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]], :::Thank you! On the admin requests, on this page, here are these :::* [[#All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae]] :::* [[#It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace]] (which you have replied to) :::* [[#Navigation and validation]] :::* [[#Administrator backlog?]] :::* [[#Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s)]] (altho this has been worked around and may not be needed) :::Most of these relate to the ''Pending changes'' backlog in various ways; two are requests for new features / modules to be ported across. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks, I see. It doesn't look like a lot to me, I'll try to deal with it today. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:27, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thank you @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] :) You could also take a look at the pending changes on [[Formula:Pagina_prima/Novae_Aetatis]] and [[Moriae encomium]]. The really big job is going through [[Specialis:PendingChanges|pending changes]] altogether - I understand there is a five year backlog. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:36, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::I see... I had a quick look and all changes seem good. Do we even need this extension on Wikisource? Also, if we keep it, I guess we need more reviewers rather than admins (more admins would be useful too, but that's a separate point). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 10:35, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Of course, the request needs to be supported; without active administrators it is very inconvenient. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:21, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::What do you need us to do? BTW, it would be great to know why edits require administrator approvals. Sorry, but I‘m afraid this makes contributing almost pointless. Many thanks for your help, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 14:15, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::So there are two reasons it would be helpful for me to be an admin; one is if we carry on with the approval system (it looks like we will not) and the other is around updating or adding certain components, modules for example. There may be other tasks I am not aware of that I could help with, but these are the ones I know about. Implementing Portal pages for example needs some work by an admin AIUI. :::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] your question re edits needing approval is [[#Do_we_need_to_approve_changes_to_pages|addressed below, here]]. :::In terms of what you / others need to do, it seems that if there is a consensus to allow me administrator permissions, then a bueaucrat user would implement it (I mistakenly opening a request at meta, and they referred me back here); so we just need to have your views, yes, no, maybe, etc. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:01, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::The page [[Vicifons:Magistratus]], intended for promotion, seems to be protected; I couldn't edit it (''petitio grapheocrat'''ae''''') and add a category ([[:Categoria:Usores]]). [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:23, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thanks, it seems editable now so I [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Petitio_magistratus|added my request there]], if anyone wants to support it. Regarding ''grapheocrates -ae'', how is this declined? Is it otherwise treated as a masculine first declension? Thinking it ought to be added to Wiktionary as it is missing from there. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:00, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::This is [https://archive.org/details/calepinusnovus2002/calepinusnovus2002-french-latin/page/n23/mode/1up?q=grapheocrates from Licoppe and Eichenseer]. Yes, this can be added to Wiktionary, I have no experience editing there. Thanks for the corrections, today the system let me in, but yesterday for some unknown reason it didn’t let me in. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:53, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::Thank you and no problem. I can add to Wiktionary I hope; is the plural therefore ''grapheocratae''; and is the singular ''grapheocrates'' or ''grapheocrata''? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:14, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Yes, of course. They took the Modern Greek word γραφειοκράτης. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:41, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::::Great, after a bit of struggle that is at [[:en:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] and [[:la:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:43, 7 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace == It would require someone with interface admin status to create [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index data config.json]] to replace the current index form parameters ([[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index attributes|very old system]]) with special care to not mass delete information by unadvertedly changing some parameter's name. [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config.json Example from the English Wikisource]. If someone wants to help, please contact me. Regards! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 02:10, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]], potentially - if I have admin status :) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:54, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Ignacio Rodríguez}} I did a test (by copy-pasting the English page), it works, so no need to be interface admin, being admin is enough. ::I only half understand that paramater page, could you give me the actual content expected ? ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:38, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::I don't remember all the details but I worked on that page in the Spanish Wikisource almost a decade ago. I'll make a mockup in the talk page, but I can't promise to get all the Latin words right. For ease, parameter names and help tooltips will be in English internally, but they will show in Latin in the form. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::This was added and it now works perfectly. Thanks! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:25, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Do we need to approve changes to pages == Hi all, Moving the discussion regarding the backlog at [[Specialis:PendingChanges]]: @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] asks whether we need to have this feature. I suspect it was switched on because of spam, vandalism, or some other similar issue. Without it we might need to be keeping an eye on recent changes. I am not sure how the proteccted changes permissions works, or whether permissions to make approvals to changes can be delegated more widely. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Changes to pages affecting project *function* must be controlled. But it seems that Pending Changes doesn't actually stop changes to something like a template/formula from having effect? See my report about <nowiki>Formula:Sidenotes begin</nowiki> above. :And checking a couple of the other initial items in [[Specialis:PendingChanges]], it seems that all pending changes are actually immediately applied to active, visible pages. :So Pending Changes <u>does not prevent damage</u> to the project. It is <u>merely a tracking and notification method?</u> :That can be useful, but requires a set of people to be change reviewers. And changes to subject matter would seem to require reviewers knowledgeable about the subject? :And when changes affect *function*, like templates, who can review and approve those? I'd think only admins. :The link to monitoring Recent Changes is undeniable. I monitor Recent Changes often at Spanish Wikisource because I've seen the random damage people can do. That is the only way to react quickly to damage. (?) But then that assumes people are checking lists frequently, at least daily. :Neither Pending Changes or monitoring Recent Changes prevent damage. They can be only part of a solution to damage. I don't know what to think about Pending Changes ''in isolation''. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 03:48, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} I've got mainly two points : ::* vandlism is low to inexistant on la.ws (and it's already low on most Wikisources), making this extension useless and even problematic. Because it doesn't prevent changes but it prevents them to be effective. ::** Apparently the reason to install is [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_VII#protection_of_completed_works_-_Flagged_Revisions_as_an_alternative?]] ::* this extension is actually caleld [[mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs]] and it's deprecated for years (see [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_XI#Futrue_of_FlaggedRevs_(Pending_Changes)_extension]] or the warning on the extension itself « Flagged Revisions is complex, poorly documented, very clunky, and not recommended for production use »). Also, people on Wikisource don't seem to really master or even using it (including the reviewers rights). Maybe it's aan opportunity to list exactly what we need and find a new extension that fit these needs. ::In the end, I see a lot of cons and only a few pros... ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:35, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :I haven't seen any vandalism here in years. But if you fix the errors, the "Pending Changes" status means that the fixes will only be visible to registered users. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:10, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} many thanks for your replies. I must admit that I’m an occasional Wikisource (or even Wikipedia contributor). I essentially (or exclusively) contribute corrections. :Some days ago, I wanted to download an ePub file for the [[Noctes Atticae]] (to do some regexp searches), but the export was wrong. I tried to modify the code (which I have done successfully for the Greek Wikisource many times) and I found out that I needed a ''nihil obstat'' (I’m afraid this would be way to name it). :Of course, I’m the least interested in vandalism (either contributing it myself, or being any collaborative project being infested/polluted by it). But I think there should be a way of distinguishing between vandalism and non-hardcore (or occasional) contributors. :I don’t know any perfect system, but it should be worth considering a mixed approach. Approval could be required for: already flagged users (for vandalism) and recent users (how about a five-year publishing embargo?). :Only to mention a case, my [https://el.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Συμπόσιον_(Πλάτων)&diff=prev&oldid=49677 first contribution to the Greek Wiksource] was in 2012. I don’t know for how long I have been registered in Wikimedia (I guess this was before 2010). :This isn’t about myself, the issue here is that Wikisource needs contributions to even exist (not to mention for its growth). If no regular user is allowed to contribute without approval, cooperation is basically non-existing. :Even with approval, the reply times are incredibly slow (because of the system). It is not that attention spans are getting shorter, time is the most scarce resource we all are (and I don’t have weeks or months to see whether I’m allowed to have [[Noctes Atticae]] as ePub). :Sorry, the sentence in parentheses isn’t a complaint. Please, do as you please, but my contribution is: consider that you might be making contributions way harder, project growth way slower and administrators’ roles way more complicated (probably, than they could and should be). :Many thanks for your help and your project, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 17:15, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think there is consensus we can switch this off. Let me know if I can help in any way if you think it's time to switch it off. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:25, 4 Octobris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks for the reminder and agreed for removal, so I created a task on Phabricator here : [[Phab:T406424]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:42, 5 Octobris 2025 (UTC) ::::Thanks for filing this @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] , the Wikimedia tech team seem to have finished their work on this now! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:16, 18 Octobris 2025 (UTC) == Index page error "Error: Invalid interval" == I am getting an error: at [[:Liber:Nos in schola latine loquimur - Ars latine loquendi.pdf]] "Error: Invalid interval" for the paginae listing; even when set to <code><nowiki><pagelist 1=1 /></nowiki></code>. Any clues appreciated! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:48, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :This might be the infamous "0x0 bug" that has plagued Wikisource for two? three? years. Normally it resolves doing a purge in both the file page in Commons and in the local Wikisource. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 19:34, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Thanks, that seems to b working now. 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Appropriate for here? == What is going on here? * [[Scriptor:Coronus_Tenebrosius]] * [[Contemplationes_Metaphysicae]] * [[Puteus_Chaosi]] * [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius]] No statement of copyright. No proof of authorship. paginae vanitatis ? [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 08:24, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Cum iure auctoris problemata non habebimus, si auctor ipse opera exponit. Et si delere consilium capiemus, [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Saumache|magistratus non habemus]], qui hoc faciant. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:37, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :<blockquote>'''Salvete.''' '''Nomen meum est Krunoslav Mrkoci, et ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' est interpretatio nominis mei in linguam Latinam, id est identitas mea Latina.''' '''Confirmo me ipsum auctorem esse omnium operum hic editorum. Opera primum Croatice scripta sunt, hic autem in versione Latina proposita.''' '''Praeterea fere omnia opera mea iam antea Croatice edita sunt in forma typographica. Id praesertim ad carmina mea pertinet, quae primum anno 1998 in libello iuvenili edita sunt, deinde in variis commentariis typis impressis, inter quos eminenter numeratur periodicum litterarium, culturalis et scientificum ''Riječi'' (Latine: ''Verba''), quod bis delectum e carminibus meis protulit.''' '''Item magna pars commentationum aliarumque prosarum, quae hic in linguam Latinam conversa sunt, iam antea et typis et forma electronica in Croatia divulgata est.''' Quaeso ut attendatis ad paginam meam in Wikidata, ubi tam sub nomine Croatico ''Krunoslav Mrkoci'' quam sub nomine Latino ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' ut auctor operum meorum inscriptus sum. Gratias ago pro lectione. '''Coronus Tenebrosius'''.</blockquote> [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius|Coronus Tenebrosius]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Coronus Tenebrosius|disputatio]]) 12:23, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) == Copying some templates from the English Wikisource == Hello, Would someone please be able to help me get [[s:en:Template:ppoem|en:Template:ppoem]], [[s:en:blackletter|en:blackletter]], [[s:en:Template:he|en:Template:he]], and [[s:en:Template:grc|en:Template:grc]] available to use on this Wikisource, so I can utilize them here? For the blackletter, I've tried [[Formula:Gothica|Gothica]], but that doesn't seem to be rendering properly. Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 00:04, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] I made the shortcut for [[Formula:Graeca]]. You should not need any administror rights to do anything you need, I'll take a look into it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 09:46, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Blackletter is already here, [[:Formula:Gothica]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:57, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Hi! @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]], thanks! Just for clarification, do I need to make the template pages in Latin, or is it alright to copy them in English? Also, @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], I mentioned this above, but for some reason, the Gothica template isn't working for me. See [[Pagina:Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf/15]], for example. Any idea why that might be the case? [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 16:16, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] This wiki lacks proper guidelines and recommendations, I would prefer if you translated the template's name, e.g., [[Formula:spatium]] rather than [[Formula:spatio]] but given the international nature of the project (nobody's mother tongue is Latin) best practice should be to add translated names as shortcuts/redirects. Beware adding templates that are already on the wiki under a different name ([[Formula:grc]] was already at [[Formula:Graeca]]). I took a quick look and it seems the fonts used by the blackletter template are not installed on the wiki; the same template does not seem to work on the French Wikisource either. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 17:40, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::Maybe we have sufficient powers to add the fonts now? Or we can ask someone with additional permissions to do so. But yes I remember now this has been a long standing problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:54, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::[https://yaytext.com/fraktur/ This converter] 𝔠𝔬𝔫𝔳𝔢𝔯𝔱𝔰 𝔩𝔢𝔱𝔱𝔢𝔯𝔰 𝔱𝔬 𝔉𝔯𝔞𝔨𝔱𝔲𝔯 (because it exists in Unicode as separate characters). <s>However, I'm not sure if such text can be found using a regular search.</s> No, Wikipedia search finds it. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:48, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::I looked into using the converter, but I'm running into the issue of lack of compatibility with {{[[Formula:Ls|Ls]]}}. Would it be better to just wait for the font to be added? Do we have any idea when that will happen/who needs to be contacted for that to happen? ::::Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 19:34, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::::These Unicode characters don't feel right on my labtop, they have heigth issues among other things. I went and asked on two different wikis about the fonts, I will come back to you when I get some answers. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 19:41, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :[[Formula:Poema recte formatum]] or [[Formula:Ppoem]] now work, altho there's issues with the documentation page. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:52, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 21:20, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{tl|blackletter}} was not working for me, even after locally installing UnifrakturMaguntia from Google fonts, until I restarted my web browser, which also followed my rebooting. Also, it can't be just any gothic/blackletter font, but must be one of these Fraktur fonts: UnifrakturMaguntia UnifrakturCook Unifraktur. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 21:19, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{ping|Demetrius Talpa|JimKillock|Erblanchard57}} Fonts are downloaded locally, you need to go to Modi/Praeferentiae > Proprietates > Sermonis delectus > Plura > Scripturae and toggle "Download fonts when needed". The option seems not to be that easy to toggle on by default. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 10:56, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, great. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:09, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you very much! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 15:57, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::English WS seems to pull the font in from a repository. I've copied over the module ULS, css etc, would be good to know if it has made any difference. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::{{blackletter|fraktur}} etc [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I just deactivated the "download fonts when needed" option for a second to see if it would work without it, and it still doesn't. 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Every page now has the "Proofread" status, except that a few are also "Validated". I expect it will take quite a while before the whole book gets that second read, if it ever will. My question: is it already acceptable to transclude the text into the main namespace at this stage, even though most pages are only single-proofread rather than validated? Or is there a convention on this Wikisource that a work should be fully validated before merging onto the mainspace? Gratias vobis ago pro consiliis vestris. [[Usor:Sakvaka|Sakvaka]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Sakvaka|disputatio]]) 09:16, 25 Iulii 2026 (UTC) :Of course, this is acceptable; the texts there are of very different quality. Besides, transclusion slightly increases the chances that someone will find it for re-examination. 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Pittacium idcirco e pagina detraxi. --[[Usor:Grufo|Grufo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Grufo|disputatio]]) 20:50, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Nam eaedem quidem editiones sunt, quibusdam minusculis in maiusculas versis litteris formaque apostropharum solum differunt. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 21:08, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default == Hi @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] and others, I noticed that [[:Formula:Littera s longa]] has been changed so that <nowiki>{{s}}</nowiki> produces ſ rather than s by default. This is in contrast to for example English Wikipedia which allows it as a user option, but assumes it is "s" by default. For other formulae, eg {{um}}, {{us}}, {{que}}, etc these are "off" by default. Likewise {{ae}}, {{oe}} I believe are off by default currently. There various ways that this can work, for example: * we could provide a user switch for either state per symbol, etc (with JS, as per EN.WS) * we can provide advice about applying fonts, etc, that can set ſ, ae/oe ligatures, etc, through css preferences * CSS can specify some of this per book (not all ligatures, eg {{que}} can be applied through CSS, and it depends on installed fonts in some cases) * we ''might'' be able to apply a default javascript switch behaviour per book rather than sitewide I don't have a massive preference for s over ſ, or ae / oe over or æ / œ ; but we should I think at least allow users to easily switch, especially re ſ if it is the default. Just throwing it out there for discussion, to see what the general feeling / preference would be. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:40, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :I lacked the rights to have it be toggled on and off through a gadget, we should ask interface administrators to do it, that should be the best way about it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 22:45, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] Take a look to itwikisource gadget "memoRegex". It allows to save and share nsIntex-specific, customable sets of regex or plain substitutions, and it has been recently refined by @Candalua (a great job!). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 10:39, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Portal pages == Hi all, I'd like to suggest we create a few "Portal" pages for some key topics, so we can detail what is good and why rather than just provide category pages. There's a need for a page for introductory Latin, for example, which could explain levels of suitability of texts. See also [[#Navigation and validation]] above To do this, we need community consensus to add a namespace, and then, it is done through a request at Phabricator. The namespace would define what this group of pages were called eg [[Portus:Index]] and also the name of the "Disputatio" (discussion) pages. Please let me know if you agree with this proposal or not, so we can demonstrate consensus for the change to be made. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:50, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :cc @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]]@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:12, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::I consent to the proposal, though I am not sure about the translation 'Portus'. I think that 'Aditus' would better suit this usecase, since from portals users will be able to 'adire' the relevant pages. P.S. Out of curiosity I have checked the dictionary of A. Perugini, and he translates 'portale' as 'porta principalis. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:31, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Ok, sure (regardless, the Vicifons namespace could be used meanwhile to do some testing for the content). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 12:25, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::Ok (even if I'm a inactive admin... :-( ) [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 12:55, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::I totatlly agree! - [[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:OrbiliusMagister|disputatio]]) 13:28, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] By the way, it would be nice if you could [[Vicifons:Scriptorium#Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default|check this out]]! [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 20:53, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Wikiversity was originally intended for educational purposes. But a portal can be created here too. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:00, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I think it would be best to take inspiration from [[:w:la]], at least for the vocabulary. This would: :* provide a vocabulary and structure people may be well acquainted with already :* facilitate our work, not having to find the proper terms for ourselves :* have some sort of continuity between Latin projects :I had started doing this for documentation templates, as they where copied as is from [[:en:Wikisource]]. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 20:50, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::Sure, what do you mean in practice? Does W:la have a phrase for Portal? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 21:29, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::I must say I don't really understand what you precisely intend to put on these pages and why they could not be of the Vicifons namespace. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 00:35, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::It's probably done on En:ws so that search works across portals and mainspace pages but not advice pages; or that search in advice pages does not include results from mainspace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:37, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::Here are some ideas for core pages, following nomenclature used by [[:w:la]] and [[:en:Wikisource]] (names are not definite): :::::* [[Vicifons:De stilo]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Style guide]]) including: titles and their capitalization, use of Roman/Arabic numerals, use of classifiers before numbers (liber, carmen, etc.); regularization of spelling (in non-facsimile pages), anchors, etc. :::::* [[Vicifons:Qualitas paginarum]] :::::* [[Vicifons:De categoriis]] :::::* [[Vicifons:De fontibus]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Sources]]) about how and where, or how not and where not, to find good sources, the fact that most pages don't have sources or are copied from bad sources, e.g., The Latin Library, how to recify this, etc. :::::And help pages: :::::* [[Auxilium:De digitizationem textorum imaginumque ad usum Vicifontis]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Help:Digitising texts and images for Wikisource]]) :::::* etc. :::::I'd be happy to batch something for [[Vicifons:De stilo]], as I think it is really needed. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 13:01, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::I agree, a style guide is badly needed. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:20, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I have sketched something up in my [[Usor:Saumache/Pagina cerata|sandbox]], rules are based on common practices of this wiki and personal preferences, please add rules, comments, sections, etc. without removing anything for the moment: we may discuss any of it on a dedicated discussion page. If my process isn't right and you think or know we sould do this some other way, please tell me. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 16:06, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Quae hucusque scripsisti, mihi bona videntur. Just a minor thing: the slash at the end of the link should not be included: it should be <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I]]</nowiki></code> and not <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>. The rules 'de titulis paginarum' will be particularly useful for the classical works on Wikisource, since they are a mess in this regard. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:25, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::This mostly looks good to me, although I would emphasise keeping to the orthography, numbering style, of the original texts. We are a source project after all. Variance across transcriptions is fine, but changing the source style to a project style should be kept to the minimum. All that said, in my view it's also OK to allow variances per transcription project, not least as they can be copied and re-done as people wish. ::::::::I very much agree about encouraging people to use good sources, and preferably to link them via a transcription process so they can be verified. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:11, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::::::I meant a stricter/standard orthography only for non-facsimile classical works whose original layout, orthography, etc. we don't know or poorly know, or would anyway not imitate (else we want it like this: ARMA⸱VIRVM⸱QVE⸱CANO). I think it would therefore be better to be more loosely dependent on our source editions and have a more unifying approach regarding these texts, nothwistanding the fact that a lot of these are bad copypastes of already very bad digitization from The Latin Library, and that these texts would take decades to be made into facsimile, accounting for how few we are. See for example [[Aeneis]], where people added macrons, using u's instead of v's makes searches more tedious, having letters be upper case at the start of sentences and verses as a norm would also be nice, appearance of poems, etc.; we should be able to do this if we want to, but according to rules which would be stated somewhere. I'd still understand if you are strictly against this. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 21:23, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::That all makes sense, altho I'd add we should encourage that non-linked texts be replaced with linked texts. If that was done, then versions with macrons, or other variations, could be hosted elsewhere, eg Wikibooks. In general, it seems to me that a copypasted text doesn't really meet the criteria for a Wikisource text, as it's not easily corrected, verified or even stable, given people can decide to change it according to their own tastes, whether stylistic or in terms of the editorial choices for works that ultimately depend on interpretation of competing medieval manuscripts. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 21:57, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::I suppose the ligatures bit is potentially controversial. I've built a system for my own transcriptions to toggle many scribal conventions on and off, eg & for early modern books; see ''[[De Principe]]'' for example. Some of these would be considered ligatures. My rationale is that it allows for preservation of the original orthography and presentation of a more modern version for everyday use. As for search, tho, doing this for some characters eg q; will cause a cost to some searching. But ae / oe are usually or often not a problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:20, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::On Vicipaedia portals are simply combined [[:w:la:Categoria:Portae|into a category]]; it is not necessary to ask the Phabricator. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 08:19, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::<small>The link you have sent is actually a category of pages about city gates (lat. ''portae''). Though,</small> It is true that we can still write portal pages without a dedicated namespace, and just group them with templates and categories. For example on German wikisource there is no author namespace, they just have an [[:de:Kategorie:Autoren|'author' category]]. It is an idea that is worth considering. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:38, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::We [[:w:la:Categoria:Portae Vicipaedianae|renamed it]] yesterday. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 16:57, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::Optime! 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([[:formula:ls]] already exists here for ſ, and some other characters semi-implemented at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] but the toggling is not switched on.) In order to implement this: (1) What would LA WiCategoria:Formulae litterarumkisource need to enable for user toggling of special characters? (2) Who would I contact (assuming this is an admin task)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:06, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :It looks like it would need this installing, as a start: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js|MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:13, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|OrbiliusMagister}} as the only active magister! --[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:16, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|SZC 03}} in case you have an opinion (you made changes at the De Pricipia transcription project which we could implement better with this toggle feature). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:31, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::I would like to point out that not all of the listed characters are of the same kind: ::* ſ is a variant of s; ::* ß, æ and œ are [[:w:en:Ligature (writing)|ligatures]] of ſs, ae and oe respectively ([[:w:en:E caudata|ę]] can represent both ae or oe); ::* ã, ẽ, õ, ũ are used to indicate [[:w:en:Scribal abbreviation|abbreviations]]. ::Personally I think it would be somewhat useful to implement the toggle feature only for æ and œ, since of all the ligatures they are the only ones that carry some meaning (that ae or oe in that word is a diphthong) and the only ones that easily show up in search results and correctly displayed in web-browsers. ::Note that both English and Italian wikisources in their transcription guidelines take in consideration the ability of both modern readers and search engines to correctly interpret the character shown (see [[:en:Wikisource:Style guide/Orthography]] and [[:it:Wikisource:Convenzioni di trascrizione]]). Though it would be useful to write rules specific to the Latin wikisource. ::I hope these considerations were of any help. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 07:58, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) ::In regards to the [[Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']] it would be appropriate to encode the text in a way that we do not lose your work of accurately transcribing the above characters, while still showing to the end user a normalized form. My edit was trying to achieve this with the templates currently in wikisource. ::From a technical standpoint, it would be useful to have a general template not specific to any character that could be used both in ''ad hoc'' situations, and in creating other templates. ::Also if such a template is created for abbreviations it should behave differently from the long s and ligatures, since 1) the text displayed is context dependent, and 2) it is common use in diplomatic transcriptions to show the abbreviated characters in parentheses (so I were taught in paleography class). ::To give an example of point 2 from the text ([[Pagina:Nicolaus_Machiavellus_De_Principe.pdf/69|page 45]], line 11): ::Original text: Iãq́ꝫ ::Diplomatic transcription: Ia(m)q(ue) ::Standard transcription: Iamque ::I’m sorry for the lengthy comments. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:02, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I agree something adhoc would be helpful. The template would need to specify :::* the text as-is and :::* the modernised version :::and hopefully there would be a system to pick up which to display. :::In terms of the display: this could be the js system, perhaps adapted, that we have on en.ws, or possibly it could be an adjustment to the page templates set up, to allow two different books, or sets of pages, to be presented. This would have the advantage that exports would facilitate both (IDK but suspect that exports support the default rather than user choice). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 15:48, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I have set out this information in a [[Usor:JimKillock/Orthography|table]] including information about dictionary lookups and likely search engine issues. In short, from a user perspective, all the characters can be problematic, but æ and œ work within Alpheios for dictionary lookups, so are a bit more tolerable than the others from a default perspective. However I think it is useful tobe able to see and use the originals for some people, eg those practicing reading Renaissance scans etc; or researchers or academics looking to use source texts. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:09, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|Alex brollo}}, {{ping|VIGNERON}}, {{ping|Candalua}} in case you can help. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:38, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] Interesting question. I'll take a look to the ensource template to understand how it works (I hope it is not based on javascript). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 06:18, 1 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I’m afraid it is based on javascript: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] :::To see the button you have to enable the [[:en:Help:Gadget-Visibility|Visibility gadget]]. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:12, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] checking in whether we can implement this, or find another solution. I am holding off further changes until I know how to proceed - but I am sure there should be a way to do this! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:40, 19 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::Noting this question comes up again at [[:Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] (I have [[Disputatio Libri:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|left a note there]]). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:08, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::OK, I have developed templates as this is holding up other people's work. I have based each template on the existing [[:formula:ls]], and avoid duplicating those that already exist using the same method at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]]. Meantime if anyone has further thoughts about using Visibility Gadget or going another way, I would be very grateful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:02, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] I have made a very basic template for flexible character switching at [[Formula:Scr]]; this returns the first entry on the book page, and the second in main space, eg <nowiki>{{scr|qꝫ|que}}</nowiki> would work the same as <nowiki>{{que}}</nowiki>. :::::However there is advice on ENWS not to use characters but use HTML entities for CSS reasons, so it is probably better for users to use specific templates. For example, I also created <nowiki>{{po}}</nowiki> which allows a user to decide what it might best represent, eg <nowiki>{{po|;}} or {{po|?}}</nowiki>. :::::In general, using set templates like <nowiki>{{que}}, {{em}}, {{um}}, {{etc}}</nowiki> is much easier for proofing, so I think I will continue to add these where it seems useful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:29, 24 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Hi folks, so that you know, I have made something of a workaround to be able to enable these features, which works well enough for me. I will perhaps add some guidance somewhere. What I have done: ::::::# Installed the font Garamontio, as it has the qꝫ character, and all the possible ligatures ::::::# Created custom css to apply Garamontio to Wikisource as a whole; at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.css]]; and ::::::# Created (vibecoded) custom javascript at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.js]] ::::::The second script looks for the various spans with the css style typographic-long-s, and replaces the characters as appropriate. This seems to work surprisingly well, Garamontio does all of the discretionary ligatures etc, and is a very well designed font (fork of EB Garamond, with some extra touches useful here). The issue is of course that this applies to the whole of Latin Wikisource all of the time. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:35, 25 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], reading this I wanted to tell you that you could apply styles to a index page, but I see you have already figured it out. Kudos on your progress. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 09:56, 9 Iulii 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Thanks @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]]; my list of scribal transformations has got quite long tho. And I need to check on the possible logic of it, some needs to hide and unhide, rather than search and replace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:27, 11 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == We will be enabling the new Charts extension on your wiki soon! == ''(Apologies for posting in English)'' Hi all! We have good news to share regarding the ongoing problem with graphs and charts affecting all wikis that use them. As you probably know, the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|old Graph extension]] was disabled in 2023 [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/EWL4AGBEZEDMNNFTM4FRD4MHOU3CVESO/|due to security reasons]]. We’ve worked in these two years to find a solution that could replace the old extension, and provide a safer and better solution to users who wanted to showcase graphs and charts in their articles. We therefore developed the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Charts extension]], which will be replacing the old Graph extension and potentially also the [[:mw:Extension:EasyTimeline|EasyTimeline extension]]. After successfully deploying the extension on Italian, Swedish, and Hebrew Wikipedia, as well as on MediaWiki.org, as part of a pilot phase, we are now happy to announce that we are moving forward with the next phase of deployment, which will also include your wiki. The deployment will happen in batches, and will start from '''May 6'''. Please, consult [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|our page on MediaWiki.org]] to discover when the new Charts extension will be deployed on your wiki. You can also [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|consult the documentation]] about the extension on MediaWiki.org. If you have questions, need clarifications, or just want to express your opinion about it, please refer to the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension_talk:Chart/Project|project’s talk page on Mediawiki.org]], or ping me directly under this thread. If you encounter issues using Charts once it gets enabled on your wiki, please report it on the [[:mw:Extension_talk:Chart/Project|talk page]] or at [[phab:tag/charts|Phabricator]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 15:07, 6 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sannita_(WMF)/Mass_sending_test&oldid=28663781 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Call for Candidates for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C)</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="announcement-content" /> The results of voting on the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Guidelines and Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) Charter is [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Annual review/2025#Results|available on Meta-wiki]]. You may now [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025/Candidates|submit your candidacy to serve on the U4C]] through 29 May 2025 at 12:00 UTC. 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If you have any questions, you can ask on [[m:Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Election/2025|the discussion page for the election]]. -- in cooperation with the U4C, </div><section end="announcement-content" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User_talk:Keegan (WMF)|disputatio]])</bdi> 22:08, 15 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> ''(Apologies for posting in English, if this is not your first language)'' Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation. You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:27, 22 Maii 2025 (UTC) </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sannita_(WMF)/Mass_sending_test&oldid=28768453 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection & Call for Questions</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="announcement-content" /> :''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Selection announcement|{{int:interlanguage-link-mul}}]] • [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-{{urlencode:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Selection announcement}}&language=&action=page&filter= {{int:please-translate}}]'' Dear all, This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats. The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4]. Here are the key planned dates: * May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6] * June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates * July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5] * August 2025: Campaign period * August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period * October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates * Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]]. '''Call for Questions''' In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]] '''Election Volunteers''' Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]] Thank you! [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results [2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter [3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024 [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates Best regards, Victoria Doronina Board Liaison to the Elections Committee Governance Committee<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 03:08, 28 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:RamzyM (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Administrator backlog? == Hi there, I am noticing a lot of pages that say that the current version is not checked; and versions I have amended are not (apparently) displayed because they need approval. Am I right in assuming this is due to a lack of (active) administrator time? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:53, 30 Maii 2025 (UTC) :Relatedly @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] / @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] / other admins, [[Colloquia familiaria]] has an old index page and other old sub pages which could do with changes being approved. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:58, 12 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::Ping on this, some of the sub pages are quite broken. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:42, 28 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :I have tried to fix the lack of text in ePub export for [[Noctes Atticae]]. :Unfortunately, it seems that all my submissions require approval (last approval seems to have taken place more than five years ago). :Is there any way to have <code>class="ws-export"</code> to the second <code>&lt;table&gt;</code> from [[Noctes Atticae]]? :Many thanks for your help, [[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 19:09, 15 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] Checking you know this is working now [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:21, 18 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Vote now in the 2025 U4C Election == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> Apologies for writing in English. {{Int:Please-translate}} Eligible voters are asked to participate in the 2025 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee]] election. More information–including an eligibility check, voting process information, candidate information, and a link to the vote–are available on Meta at the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Election/2025|2025 Election information page]]. The vote closes on 17 June 2025 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1750161600 12:00 UTC]. Please vote if your account is eligible. Results will be available by 1 July 2025. -- In cooperation with the U4C, [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 23:01, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28848819 --> == Mnemonics Book in Latin == Dear all, Over the past month, with the help of others, I’ve been compiling a list of older and often overlooked books on mnemonic techniques available on [[:en:Portal:Mnemonics|Wikisource English]]. Many of these works—some dating back decades or even centuries—offer fascinating insights into how memory has been understood, trained, and improved across different cultures and time periods. I've recently added a new section to the portal: "Multilingual Works on Mnemonic Techniques." This is in part because several of the English-language texts reference related works in other languages, particularly Latin. Unfortunately, many of these referenced works are written in Classical Latin, and my ability to work with them is quite limited—I’ve done what I can, but they remain largely inaccessible to me. If anyone has expertise in Classical Latin and might be willing to help with these texts, your assistance would be greatly appreciated. * ''[[:la:Foenix|Foenix]] by [[w:en:Peter of Ravenna|Peter of Ravenna]]'' (1491) * ''[[:la:Congestorium Artificiose Memorie|Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]'' by Johann Horst von Romberch (1533) [[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032259.jpg|150px]][[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032269.jpg|150px]] Here is a discussion form on it https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/johannes-romberchs-congestorium-artificiose-memorie/30174 Warm regards [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 23:15, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :Hi there, I could help proofing texts you have prepared perhaps? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:57, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :: Thanks for offering—I’d really appreciate your help with proofreading. :: We have two books. Which one would you like to start with? ::*[[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] ::*[[Liber:Congestorium artificiose memorie ... - V.P.F. Joa(n)nis Romberch de Kyrspe. Regularis obseruantie predicatorie- (IA hin-wel-all-00002875-001).pdf]] ::[[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 21:49, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I can do the pages you have put into the first, as a start for you. BTW the transcribed text does not always look like it originated from the source. It is very correct, but some has different orthography and missed certain parts. That is fine of course if we are correcting to the original. (PS: you might want to create a user account so that you can be notified of replies, hide your IP address, etc). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:57, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I had a go at the first page or two; some of the orthography was removed while other parts were kept. I kept all of it as a first go. See the discussion above about how we treat orthography, hopefully we can address this with templates. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:11, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::I'm using Google OCR and some AI tools to pull out text and sometimes translate it into English so I can understand it. If anyone could help me proofread or check it, I’d be super grateful! [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 00:50, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::I have added all the templates we need for the special characters / orthography, I will start doing the pages with those. The end result will be that on the main space ebook pages, the chars will toggle on and off, at least once that is properly implemented. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:25, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Noted, sounds good. I’ll try adding to the other pages next time. [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 22:10, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 - Call for Candidates</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="announcement-content" /> :''<div class="plainlinks">[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Call for candidates|{{int:interlanguage-link-mul}}]] • [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-{{urlencode:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Call for candidates}}&language=&action=page&filter= {{int:please-translate}}]</div> Hello all, The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025|call for candidates for the 2025 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees selection is now open]] from June 17, 2025 – July 2, 2025 at 11:59 UTC [1]. The Board of Trustees oversees the Wikimedia Foundation's work, and each Trustee serves a three-year term [2]. This is a volunteer position. This year, the Wikimedia community will vote in late August through September 2025 to fill two (2) seats on the Foundation Board. Could you – or someone you know – be a good fit to join the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees? [3] Learn more about what it takes to stand for these leadership positions and how to submit your candidacy on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Candidate application|this Meta-wiki page]] or encourage someone else to run in this year's election. Best regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi<br /> Chair of the Elections Committee On behalf of the Elections Committee and Governance Committee [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Call_for_candidates [2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal:Bylaws#(B)_Term. [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Resources_for_candidates<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 17:44, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:RamzyM (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28866958 --> == [[De Principe]] == Si vis, quaeso, me adiuva ut liber novus ''[[De Principe]]'' correctus sit et erroribus liber. Nuper completus, ab aliquo alio corrigendus est. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:14, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Sister Projects Task Force reviews Wikispore and Wikinews</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Dear Wikimedia Community, The [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee|Community Affairs Committee (CAC)]] of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees assigned [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Sister Projects Task Force|the Sister Projects Task Force (SPTF)]] to update and implement a procedure for assessing the lifecycle of Sister Projects – wiki [[m:Wikimedia projects|projects supported by Wikimedia Foundation (WMF)]]. A vision of relevant, accessible, and impactful free knowledge has always guided the Wikimedia Movement. As the ecosystem of Wikimedia projects continues to evolve, it is crucial that we periodically review existing projects to ensure they still align with our goals and community capacity. Despite their noble intent, some projects may no longer effectively serve their original purpose. '''Reviewing such projects is not about giving up – it's about responsible stewardship of shared resources'''. Volunteer time, staff support, infrastructure, and community attention are finite, and the non-technical costs tend to grow significantly as our ecosystem has entered a different age of the internet than the one we were founded in. Supporting inactive projects or projects that didn't meet our ambitions can unintentionally divert these resources from areas with more potential impact. Moreover, maintaining projects that no longer reflect the quality and reliability of the Wikimedia name stands for, involves a reputational risk. An abandoned or less reliable project affects trust in the Wikimedia movement. Lastly, '''failing to sunset or reimagine projects that are no longer working can make it much harder to start new ones'''. When the community feels bound to every past decision – no matter how outdated – we risk stagnation. A healthy ecosystem must allow for evolution, adaptation, and, when necessary, letting go. If we create the expectation that every project must exist indefinitely, we limit our ability to experiment and innovate. Because of this, SPTF reviewed two requests concerning the lifecycle of the Sister Projects to work through and demonstrate the review process. We chose Wikispore as a case study for a possible new Sister Project opening and Wikinews as a case study for a review of an existing project. Preliminary findings were discussed with the CAC, and a community consultation on both proposals was recommended. === Wikispore === The [[m:Wikispore|application to consider Wikispore]] was submitted in 2019. SPTF decided to review this request in more depth because rather than being concentrated on a specific topic, as most of the proposals for the new Sister Projects are, Wikispore has the potential to nurture multiple start-up Sister Projects. After careful consideration, the SPTF has decided '''not to recommend''' Wikispore as a Wikimedia Sister Project. Considering the current activity level, the current arrangement allows '''better flexibility''' and experimentation while WMF provides core infrastructural support. We acknowledge the initiative's potential and seek community input on what would constitute a sufficient level of activity and engagement to reconsider its status in the future. As part of the process, we shared the decision with the Wikispore community and invited one of its leaders, Pharos, to an SPTF meeting. Currently, we especially invite feedback on measurable criteria indicating the project's readiness, such as contributor numbers, content volume, and sustained community support. This would clarify the criteria sufficient for opening a new Sister Project, including possible future Wikispore re-application. However, the numbers will always be a guide because any number can be gamed. === Wikinews === We chose to review Wikinews among existing Sister Projects because it is the one for which we have observed the highest level of concern in multiple ways. Since the SPTF was convened in 2023, its members have asked for the community's opinions during conferences and community calls about Sister Projects that did not fulfil their promise in the Wikimedia movement.[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WCNA_2024._Sister_Projects_-_opening%3F_closing%3F_merging%3F_splitting%3F.pdf <nowiki>[1]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Sister_Projects_Task_Force#Wikimania_2023_session_%22Sister_Projects:_past,_present_and_the_glorious_future%22 <nowiki>[2]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[3]</nowiki>] Wikinews was the leading candidate for an evaluation because people from multiple language communities proposed it. Additionally, by most measures, it is the least active Sister Project, with the greatest drop in activity over the years. While the Language Committee routinely opens and closes language versions of the Sister Projects in small languages, there has never been a valid proposal to close Wikipedia in major languages or any project in English. This is not true for Wikinews, where there was a proposal to close English Wikinews, which gained some traction but did not result in any action[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_English_Wikinews <nowiki>[4]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[5]</nowiki>, see section 5] as well as a draft proposal to close all languages of Wikinews[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_closing_projects/Archive_2#Close_Wikinews_completely,_all_languages? <nowiki>[6]</nowiki>]. [[:c:File:Sister Projects Taskforce Wikinews review 2024.pdf|Initial metrics]] compiled by WMF staff also support the community's concerns about Wikinews. Based on this report, SPTF recommends a community reevaluation of Wikinews. We conclude that its current structure and activity levels are the lowest among the existing sister projects. SPTF also recommends pausing the opening of new language editions while the consultation runs. SPTF brings this analysis to a discussion and welcomes discussions of alternative outcomes, including potential restructuring efforts or integration with other Wikimedia initiatives. '''Options''' mentioned so far (which might be applied to just low-activity languages or all languages) include but are not limited to: *Restructure how Wikinews works and is linked to other current events efforts on the projects, *Merge the content of Wikinews into the relevant language Wikipedias, possibly in a new namespace, *Merge content into compatibly licensed external projects, *Archive Wikinews projects. Your insights and perspectives are invaluable in shaping the future of these projects. We encourage all interested community members to share their thoughts on the relevant discussion pages or through other designated feedback channels. === Feedback and next steps === We'd be grateful if you want to take part in a conversation on the future of these projects and the review process. We are setting up two different project pages: [[m:Public consultation about Wikispore|Public consultation about Wikispore]] and [[m:Public consultation about Wikinews|Public consultation about Wikinews]]. Please participate between 27 June 2025 and 27 July 2025, after which we will summarize the discussion to move forward. You can write in your own language. I will also host a community conversation 16th July Wednesday 11.00 UTC and 17th July Thursday 17.00 UTC (call links to follow shortly) and will be around at Wikimania for more discussions. <section end="message"/> </div> -- [[User:Victoria|Victoria]] on behalf of the Sister Project Task Force, 20:57, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Johan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Johan_(WMF)/Sister_project_MassMassage_on_behalf_of_Victoria/Target_list&oldid=28911188 --> == Latin incunabula and other early books == Expanding a bit on what I mentioned above, re character toggling, and also working on the books [[Foenix]] and [[Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae]] * the Transkribus Latin Incunabula scan does a great job on the heavy gothic style print * I will see how it does with more Garamond-style texts, in case it works with these * I have developed a fairly full set of templates for scribal characters, see [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] * I am thinking about using a bot to wholesale search and replace long s, and other scribal characters mapped there Between these things, the work to transcribe and correct early printed Latin books should be very much reduced. If anyone feels like helping test this out, do give me shout. Meantime I will run tests on Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae to check how well the bot system works. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:50, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :The folks at Wikisource helped create a JS solution for this, see [[Usor:JimKillock/incunabula.js]]. The script does a search and replace for what is needed, on the '''first save of a new book page'''; these are the settings for the Incunabula style section of [[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|this scan, p 52 onwards]] for [[Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]. It seems to work very well and is extremely labour saving! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 22:59, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == Navigation and validation == Hi there, I would like to do some work on navigation, to provide some "portal" pages similar to EN Wikisource. For example, this would help with learner texts a lot 9I often get asked how to find these texts, I point to the category pages, but these are very basic. I would also like to know what we should do about page validation. Some really necessary changes are currently languishing in the backlog. This is an admin only task: should we asking for more administrators, or is this something existing admins here can take on? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 14:08, 13 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :Hi {{U|JimKillock}} good idea, don't hesitate to start and/or ask for help. That said, I'm not sure to see why this is an admin task (even if, yes, the underlying point is true, we need more admins). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:31, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think the Portal namespace and some modules need setting up which require admin permissions, I will dig a bit further and come back to you. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Wikidata Item and Property labels soon displayed in Wiki Watchlist/Recent Changes == ''(Apologies for posting in English, you can help by translating into your language)'' Hello everyone, the [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects]] team is excited to announce an upcoming change in how Wikidata edit changelogs are displayed in your [[Special:Watchlist|Watchlists]] and [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]] lists. If an edit is made on Wikidata that affects a page in another Wikimedia Project, the changelog will contain some information about the nature of the edit. This can include a QID (or Q-number), a PID (or P-number) and a value (which can be text, numbers, dates, or also QID or PID’s). Confused by these terms? See the [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Glossary|Wikidata:Glossary]] for further explanations. The upcoming change is scheduled for '''17.07.2025''', between '''1300 - 1500 UTC'''. The change will display the label (item name) alongside any QID or PIDs, as seen in the image below: [[File:Apr10 edit summary on Wikidata.png|An edit sum entry on Wikidata, labels display alongside their P- and Q-no.'s]] These changes will only be visible if you have Wikidata edits enabled in your User Preferences for Watchlists and Recent Changes, or have the active filter ‘Wikidata edits’ checkbox toggled on, directly on the Watchlist and Recent Changes pages. Your bot and gadget may be affected! There are thousands of bots, gadgets and user-scripts and whilst we have researched potential effects to many of them, we cannot guarantee there won’t be some that are broken or affected by this change. Further information and context about this change, including how your bot may be affected can be found on this [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|project task page]]. We welcome your questions and feedback, please write to us on this dedicated [[m:Talk:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Talk page]]. Thank you, - [[m:User:Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)|Danny Benjafield (WMDE)]] on behalf of the Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects Team. [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 12:46, 14 Iulii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Danny Benjafield (WMDE)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)/MassMessage_Test_List&oldid=28981877 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr"> Upcoming Deployment of the CampaignEvents Extension</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Hello everyone, ''(Apologies for posting in English if English is not your first language. Please help translate to your language.)'' The Campaigns Product Team is planning a global deployment of the '''[[:mw:Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]]''' to all Wikisource, including this Wikisource, during the '''week of August 25th'''. This extension is designed to help organizers plan and manage events, WikiProjects, and other on-wiki collaborations - and to make these efforts more discoverable. The three main features of this extension are: * '''[[:m:Event_Center/Registration|Event Registration]]''': A simple way to sign up for events on the wiki. * '''[[:m:CampaignEvents/Collaboration_list|Collaboration List]]''': A global list of events and a local list of WikiProjects, accessible at '''[[:m:Special:AllEvents|Special:AllEvents]]'''. * '''[[:m:Campaigns/Foundation_Product_Team/Invitation_list|Invitation Lists]]''': A tool to help organizers find editors who might want to join, based on their past contributions. '''Note''': The extension comes with a new user right called '''"Event Organizer"''', which will be managed by administrators on this Wikisource. Organizer tools like Event Registration and Invitation Lists will only work if someone is granted this right. The Collaboration List is available to everyone immediately after deployment. The extension is already live on several wikis, including '''all Wikipedia, Meta, Wikidata''', and more ( [[m:CampaignEvents/Deployment_status#Current_Deployment_Status_for_CampaignEvents_extension| See the full deployment list]]) If you have any questions, concerns, or feedback, please feel free to share them on the [[m:Talk:CampaignEvents| extension talkpage]]. We’d love to hear from you before the rollout. Thank you! <section end="message"/> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:Udehb-WMF|Udehb-WMF]] ([[User talk:Udehb-WMF|disputatio]]) 15:40, 31 Iulii 2025 (UTC)</bdi> <!-- Message sent by User:Udehb-WMF@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Udehb-WMF/sandbox/MM_target_Wikisource&oldid=29066664 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Temporary accounts will be rolled out soon</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="body"/> Hello, we are the Wikimedia Foundation [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity|Product Safety and Integrity]] team. We would like to announce that '''we plan to enable [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] for this wiki in the week of September 1'''. Temporary accounts are successfully live on 30 wikis, including many large ones like German, Japanese, and French. The change they bring is especially relevant to logged-out editors, who this feature is designed to protect. But it is also relevant to community members like mentors, patrollers, and admins – anyone who reverts edits, blocks users, or otherwise interacts with logged-out editors as part of keeping the wikis safe and accurate. '''Why we are building temporary accounts''' Our wikis should be safer to edit by default for logged-out editors. Temporary accounts allow people to continue editing the wikis without creating an account, while avoiding publicly tying their edits to their IP address. We believe this is in the best interest of our logged-out editors, who make valuable contributions to the wikis and who may later create accounts and grow our community of editors, admins, and other roles. Even though the wikis do warn logged-out editors that their IP address will be associated with their edit, many people may not understand what an IP address is, or that it could be used to connect them to other information about them in ways they might not expect. Additionally, our moderation software and tools rely too heavily on network origin (IP addresses) to identify users and patterns of activity, especially as IP addresses themselves are becoming less stable as identifiers. Temporary accounts allow for more precise interactions with logged-out editors, including more precise blocks, and can help limit how often we unintentionally end up blocking good-faith users who use the same IP addresses as bad-faith users. '''How temporary accounts work''' [[File:Temporary account banner and empty talk page.png|thumb]] Any time a logged-out user publishes an edit on this wiki, a cookie will be set in this user's browser, and a temporary account tied with this cookie will be automatically created. This account's name will follow the pattern: <code dir=ltr>~2025-12345-67</code> (a tilde, current year, a number). On pages like Recent Changes or page history, this name will be displayed. The cookie will expire 90 days after its creation. As long as it exists, all edits made from this device will be attributed to this temporary account. It will be the same account even if the IP address changes, unless the user clears their cookies or uses a different device or web browser. A record of the IP address used at the time of each edit will be stored for 90 days after the edit. However, only some logged-in users will be able to see it. '''What does this mean for different groups of users?''' '''For logged-out editors''' * This increases privacy: currently, if you do not use a registered account to edit, then everybody can see the IP address for the edits you made, even after 90 days. That will no longer be possible on this wiki. * If you use a temporary account to edit from different locations in the last 90 days (for example at home and at a coffee shop), the edit history and the IP addresses for all those locations will now be recorded together, for the same temporary account. Users who [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Access_to_temporary_account_IP_addresses|meet the relevant requirements]] will be able to view this data. If this creates any personal security concerns for you, please contact talktohumanrights at wikimedia.org for advice. '''For community members interacting with logged-out editors''' * A temporary account is uniquely linked to a device. In comparison, an IP address can be shared with different devices and people (for example, different people at school or at work might have the same IP address). * Compared to the current situation, it will be safer to assume that a temporary user's talk page belongs to only one person, and messages left there will be read by them. As you can see in the screenshot, temporary account users will receive notifications. It will also be possible to thank them for their edits, ping them in discussions, and invite them to get more involved in the community. '''For users who use IP address data to moderate and maintain the wiki''' * '''For patrollers''' who track persistent abusers, investigate violations of policies, etc.: Users who [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Access_to_temporary_account_IP_addresses|meet the requirements]] will be able to reveal temporary users' IP addresses and all contributions made by temporary accounts from a specific IP address or range ([[Special:IPContributions]]). They will also have access to useful information about the IP addresses thanks to the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/IP Info|IP Info]] feature. Many other pieces of software have been built or adjusted to work with temporary accounts, including AbuseFilter, global blocks, Global User Contributions, and more. (For information for volunteer developers on how to update the code of your tools – see the last part of the message.) * '''For admins blocking logged-out editors''': ** It will be possible to block many abusers by just blocking their temporary accounts. A blocked person won't be able to create new temporary accounts quickly if the admin selects the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Autoblock|autoblock]] option. ** It will still be possible to block an IP address or IP range. * Temporary accounts will not be retroactively applied to contributions made before the deployment. On Special:Contributions, you will be able to see existing IP user contributions, but not new contributions made by temporary accounts on that IP address. Instead, you should use Special:IPContributions for this. '''Our requests for you, and next steps''' * If you know of any tools, bots, gadgets etc. using data about IP addresses or being available for logged-out users, you may want to test if they work on [[testwiki:Main_Page|testwiki]] or [[test2wiki:Main_Page|test2wiki]]. If you are a volunteer developer, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers|read our documentation for developers]], and in particular, the section on [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers#How should I update my code?|how your code might need to be updated]]. * If you want to test the temporary account experience, for example just to check what it feels like, go to testwiki or test2wiki and edit without logging in. * Tell us if you know of any difficulties that need to be addressed. We will try to help, and if we are not able, we will consider the available options. * Look at our [[m:Meta:Babel#Temporary_Accounts:_access_to_IP_addresses_and_next_steps|previous message]] about requirements for users without extended rights who may need access to IP addresses. To learn more about the project, check out [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/FAQ|our FAQ]] – you will find many useful answers there. You may also [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/Updates|look at the updates]] (we have just posted one) and [[mw:Newsletter:Product Safety and Integrity|subscribe to our new newsletter]]. If you'd like to talk to me (Szymon) off-wiki, you will find me on Discord and Telegram. Thank you!<section end="body" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:user:NKohli (WMF)|NKohli (WMF)]], [[m:user:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]]</bdi> 21:36, 26 Augusti 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Quiddity_(WMF)/sandbox6&oldid=29181713 --> == All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae == I was looking for templates/formulae by looking at <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> All pages in [[Liber:Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Many (all?) pages in [[Liber:Gallia Christiana, 1715, T1.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki>, like article [[Gallia Christiana 1715 01/Epistola2]] These all use [[Formula:Sidenotes begin]]. There is one "[https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&oldid=79709&diff=cur pending change]" on this template. But that change puts the category outside the noinclude. ::<nowiki></noinclude></nowiki> ::<nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Please either reject the change or move the categoria line. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 04:17, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], I don't think anyone from the admins is monitoring or actioning pending changes currently. (see discussions re admin queues above.) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 05:29, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Shenme}} {{done}} I excluded the categories. {{ping|JimKillock}} no blame but be careful next time, categories should always be excluded. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:28, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|VIGNERON}} It wasn't @JimKillock who made [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&diff=next&oldid=79709 the problematic change], but someone else [[Usor:Ceciliawolf]]. I noticed the problem, he included the problem a list that got your attention. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 02:46, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Shenme}} yes, but [[Special:Diff/236794]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 06:57, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Request for admin status == Hi all, given that we have quite a lot of admin requests (mostly relating to "pending" changes), I would like to request administrator status so that some of these can be cleared. If anyone else wants to step up to help out, that would also be welcome. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:23, 1 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Ping to @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], @[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]]:, @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]]:, @[[Usor:Candalua|Candalua]]: in case you feel able to support my request. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:57, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Hi {{U|JimKillock}}, ::I apparently missed it, where do we have « a lot of admin requests » ? ::That said, one more admin is always good, so create the request and I'll support it. ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:34, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::Hi @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]], :::Thank you! On the admin requests, on this page, here are these :::* [[#All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae]] :::* [[#It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace]] (which you have replied to) :::* [[#Navigation and validation]] :::* [[#Administrator backlog?]] :::* [[#Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s)]] (altho this has been worked around and may not be needed) :::Most of these relate to the ''Pending changes'' backlog in various ways; two are requests for new features / modules to be ported across. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks, I see. It doesn't look like a lot to me, I'll try to deal with it today. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:27, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thank you @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] :) You could also take a look at the pending changes on [[Formula:Pagina_prima/Novae_Aetatis]] and [[Moriae encomium]]. The really big job is going through [[Specialis:PendingChanges|pending changes]] altogether - I understand there is a five year backlog. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:36, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::I see... I had a quick look and all changes seem good. Do we even need this extension on Wikisource? Also, if we keep it, I guess we need more reviewers rather than admins (more admins would be useful too, but that's a separate point). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 10:35, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Of course, the request needs to be supported; without active administrators it is very inconvenient. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:21, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::What do you need us to do? BTW, it would be great to know why edits require administrator approvals. Sorry, but I‘m afraid this makes contributing almost pointless. Many thanks for your help, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 14:15, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::So there are two reasons it would be helpful for me to be an admin; one is if we carry on with the approval system (it looks like we will not) and the other is around updating or adding certain components, modules for example. There may be other tasks I am not aware of that I could help with, but these are the ones I know about. Implementing Portal pages for example needs some work by an admin AIUI. :::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] your question re edits needing approval is [[#Do_we_need_to_approve_changes_to_pages|addressed below, here]]. :::In terms of what you / others need to do, it seems that if there is a consensus to allow me administrator permissions, then a bueaucrat user would implement it (I mistakenly opening a request at meta, and they referred me back here); so we just need to have your views, yes, no, maybe, etc. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:01, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::The page [[Vicifons:Magistratus]], intended for promotion, seems to be protected; I couldn't edit it (''petitio grapheocrat'''ae''''') and add a category ([[:Categoria:Usores]]). [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:23, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thanks, it seems editable now so I [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Petitio_magistratus|added my request there]], if anyone wants to support it. Regarding ''grapheocrates -ae'', how is this declined? Is it otherwise treated as a masculine first declension? Thinking it ought to be added to Wiktionary as it is missing from there. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:00, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::This is [https://archive.org/details/calepinusnovus2002/calepinusnovus2002-french-latin/page/n23/mode/1up?q=grapheocrates from Licoppe and Eichenseer]. Yes, this can be added to Wiktionary, I have no experience editing there. Thanks for the corrections, today the system let me in, but yesterday for some unknown reason it didn’t let me in. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:53, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::Thank you and no problem. I can add to Wiktionary I hope; is the plural therefore ''grapheocratae''; and is the singular ''grapheocrates'' or ''grapheocrata''? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:14, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Yes, of course. They took the Modern Greek word γραφειοκράτης. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:41, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::::Great, after a bit of struggle that is at [[:en:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] and [[:la:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:43, 7 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace == It would require someone with interface admin status to create [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index data config.json]] to replace the current index form parameters ([[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index attributes|very old system]]) with special care to not mass delete information by unadvertedly changing some parameter's name. [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config.json Example from the English Wikisource]. If someone wants to help, please contact me. Regards! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 02:10, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]], potentially - if I have admin status :) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:54, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Ignacio Rodríguez}} I did a test (by copy-pasting the English page), it works, so no need to be interface admin, being admin is enough. ::I only half understand that paramater page, could you give me the actual content expected ? ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:38, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::I don't remember all the details but I worked on that page in the Spanish Wikisource almost a decade ago. I'll make a mockup in the talk page, but I can't promise to get all the Latin words right. For ease, parameter names and help tooltips will be in English internally, but they will show in Latin in the form. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::This was added and it now works perfectly. Thanks! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:25, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Do we need to approve changes to pages == Hi all, Moving the discussion regarding the backlog at [[Specialis:PendingChanges]]: @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] asks whether we need to have this feature. I suspect it was switched on because of spam, vandalism, or some other similar issue. Without it we might need to be keeping an eye on recent changes. I am not sure how the proteccted changes permissions works, or whether permissions to make approvals to changes can be delegated more widely. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Changes to pages affecting project *function* must be controlled. But it seems that Pending Changes doesn't actually stop changes to something like a template/formula from having effect? See my report about <nowiki>Formula:Sidenotes begin</nowiki> above. :And checking a couple of the other initial items in [[Specialis:PendingChanges]], it seems that all pending changes are actually immediately applied to active, visible pages. :So Pending Changes <u>does not prevent damage</u> to the project. It is <u>merely a tracking and notification method?</u> :That can be useful, but requires a set of people to be change reviewers. And changes to subject matter would seem to require reviewers knowledgeable about the subject? :And when changes affect *function*, like templates, who can review and approve those? I'd think only admins. :The link to monitoring Recent Changes is undeniable. I monitor Recent Changes often at Spanish Wikisource because I've seen the random damage people can do. That is the only way to react quickly to damage. (?) But then that assumes people are checking lists frequently, at least daily. :Neither Pending Changes or monitoring Recent Changes prevent damage. They can be only part of a solution to damage. I don't know what to think about Pending Changes ''in isolation''. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 03:48, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} I've got mainly two points : ::* vandlism is low to inexistant on la.ws (and it's already low on most Wikisources), making this extension useless and even problematic. Because it doesn't prevent changes but it prevents them to be effective. ::** Apparently the reason to install is [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_VII#protection_of_completed_works_-_Flagged_Revisions_as_an_alternative?]] ::* this extension is actually caleld [[mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs]] and it's deprecated for years (see [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_XI#Futrue_of_FlaggedRevs_(Pending_Changes)_extension]] or the warning on the extension itself « Flagged Revisions is complex, poorly documented, very clunky, and not recommended for production use »). Also, people on Wikisource don't seem to really master or even using it (including the reviewers rights). Maybe it's aan opportunity to list exactly what we need and find a new extension that fit these needs. ::In the end, I see a lot of cons and only a few pros... ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:35, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :I haven't seen any vandalism here in years. But if you fix the errors, the "Pending Changes" status means that the fixes will only be visible to registered users. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:10, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} many thanks for your replies. I must admit that I’m an occasional Wikisource (or even Wikipedia contributor). I essentially (or exclusively) contribute corrections. :Some days ago, I wanted to download an ePub file for the [[Noctes Atticae]] (to do some regexp searches), but the export was wrong. I tried to modify the code (which I have done successfully for the Greek Wikisource many times) and I found out that I needed a ''nihil obstat'' (I’m afraid this would be way to name it). :Of course, I’m the least interested in vandalism (either contributing it myself, or being any collaborative project being infested/polluted by it). But I think there should be a way of distinguishing between vandalism and non-hardcore (or occasional) contributors. :I don’t know any perfect system, but it should be worth considering a mixed approach. Approval could be required for: already flagged users (for vandalism) and recent users (how about a five-year publishing embargo?). :Only to mention a case, my [https://el.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Συμπόσιον_(Πλάτων)&diff=prev&oldid=49677 first contribution to the Greek Wiksource] was in 2012. I don’t know for how long I have been registered in Wikimedia (I guess this was before 2010). :This isn’t about myself, the issue here is that Wikisource needs contributions to even exist (not to mention for its growth). If no regular user is allowed to contribute without approval, cooperation is basically non-existing. :Even with approval, the reply times are incredibly slow (because of the system). It is not that attention spans are getting shorter, time is the most scarce resource we all are (and I don’t have weeks or months to see whether I’m allowed to have [[Noctes Atticae]] as ePub). :Sorry, the sentence in parentheses isn’t a complaint. Please, do as you please, but my contribution is: consider that you might be making contributions way harder, project growth way slower and administrators’ roles way more complicated (probably, than they could and should be). :Many thanks for your help and your project, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 17:15, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think there is consensus we can switch this off. Let me know if I can help in any way if you think it's time to switch it off. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:25, 4 Octobris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks for the reminder and agreed for removal, so I created a task on Phabricator here : [[Phab:T406424]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:42, 5 Octobris 2025 (UTC) ::::Thanks for filing this @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] , the Wikimedia tech team seem to have finished their work on this now! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:16, 18 Octobris 2025 (UTC) == Index page error "Error: Invalid interval" == I am getting an error: at [[:Liber:Nos in schola latine loquimur - Ars latine loquendi.pdf]] "Error: Invalid interval" for the paginae listing; even when set to <code><nowiki><pagelist 1=1 /></nowiki></code>. Any clues appreciated! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:48, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :This might be the infamous "0x0 bug" that has plagued Wikisource for two? three? years. Normally it resolves doing a purge in both the file page in Commons and in the local Wikisource. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 19:34, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Thanks, that seems to b working now. 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Appropriate for here? == What is going on here? * [[Scriptor:Coronus_Tenebrosius]] * [[Contemplationes_Metaphysicae]] * [[Puteus_Chaosi]] * [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius]] No statement of copyright. No proof of authorship. paginae vanitatis ? [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 08:24, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Cum iure auctoris problemata non habebimus, si auctor ipse opera exponit. Et si delere consilium capiemus, [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Saumache|magistratus non habemus]], qui hoc faciant. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:37, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :<blockquote>'''Salvete.''' '''Nomen meum est Krunoslav Mrkoci, et ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' est interpretatio nominis mei in linguam Latinam, id est identitas mea Latina.''' '''Confirmo me ipsum auctorem esse omnium operum hic editorum. Opera primum Croatice scripta sunt, hic autem in versione Latina proposita.''' 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'''Coronus Tenebrosius'''.</blockquote> [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius|Coronus Tenebrosius]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Coronus Tenebrosius|disputatio]]) 12:23, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) == Copying some templates from the English Wikisource == Hello, Would someone please be able to help me get [[s:en:Template:ppoem|en:Template:ppoem]], [[s:en:blackletter|en:blackletter]], [[s:en:Template:he|en:Template:he]], and [[s:en:Template:grc|en:Template:grc]] available to use on this Wikisource, so I can utilize them here? For the blackletter, I've tried [[Formula:Gothica|Gothica]], but that doesn't seem to be rendering properly. Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 00:04, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] I made the shortcut for [[Formula:Graeca]]. You should not need any administror rights to do anything you need, I'll take a look into it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 09:46, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Blackletter is already here, [[:Formula:Gothica]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:57, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Hi! @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]], thanks! Just for clarification, do I need to make the template pages in Latin, or is it alright to copy them in English? Also, @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], I mentioned this above, but for some reason, the Gothica template isn't working for me. See [[Pagina:Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf/15]], for example. Any idea why that might be the case? [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 16:16, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] This wiki lacks proper guidelines and recommendations, I would prefer if you translated the template's name, e.g., [[Formula:spatium]] rather than [[Formula:spatio]] but given the international nature of the project (nobody's mother tongue is Latin) best practice should be to add translated names as shortcuts/redirects. Beware adding templates that are already on the wiki under a different name ([[Formula:grc]] was already at [[Formula:Graeca]]). I took a quick look and it seems the fonts used by the blackletter template are not installed on the wiki; the same template does not seem to work on the French Wikisource either. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 17:40, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::Maybe we have sufficient powers to add the fonts now? Or we can ask someone with additional permissions to do so. But yes I remember now this has been a long standing problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:54, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::[https://yaytext.com/fraktur/ This converter] 𝔠𝔬𝔫𝔳𝔢𝔯𝔱𝔰 𝔩𝔢𝔱𝔱𝔢𝔯𝔰 𝔱𝔬 𝔉𝔯𝔞𝔨𝔱𝔲𝔯 (because it exists in Unicode as separate characters). <s>However, I'm not sure if such text can be found using a regular search.</s> No, Wikipedia search finds it. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:48, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::I looked into using the converter, but I'm running into the issue of lack of compatibility with {{[[Formula:Ls|Ls]]}}. Would it be better to just wait for the font to be added? Do we have any idea when that will happen/who needs to be contacted for that to happen? ::::Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 19:34, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::::These Unicode characters don't feel right on my labtop, they have heigth issues among other things. I went and asked on two different wikis about the fonts, I will come back to you when I get some answers. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 19:41, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :[[Formula:Poema recte formatum]] or [[Formula:Ppoem]] now work, altho there's issues with the documentation page. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:52, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 21:20, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{tl|blackletter}} was not working for me, even after locally installing UnifrakturMaguntia from Google fonts, until I restarted my web browser, which also followed my rebooting. Also, it can't be just any gothic/blackletter font, but must be one of these Fraktur fonts: UnifrakturMaguntia UnifrakturCook Unifraktur. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 21:19, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{ping|Demetrius Talpa|JimKillock|Erblanchard57}} Fonts are downloaded locally, you need to go to Modi/Praeferentiae > Proprietates > Sermonis delectus > Plura > Scripturae and toggle "Download fonts when needed". The option seems not to be that easy to toggle on by default. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 10:56, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, great. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:09, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you very much! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 15:57, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::English WS seems to pull the font in from a repository. I've copied over the module ULS, css etc, would be good to know if it has made any difference. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::{{blackletter|fraktur}} etc [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I just deactivated the "download fonts when needed" option for a second to see if it would work without it, and it still doesn't. 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Every page now has the "Proofread" status, except that a few are also "Validated". I expect it will take quite a while before the whole book gets that second read, if it ever will. My question: is it already acceptable to transclude the text into the main namespace at this stage, even though most pages are only single-proofread rather than validated? Or is there a convention on this Wikisource that a work should be fully validated before merging onto the mainspace? Gratias vobis ago pro consiliis vestris. [[Usor:Sakvaka|Sakvaka]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Sakvaka|disputatio]]) 09:16, 25 Iulii 2026 (UTC) :Of course, this is acceptable; the texts there are of very different quality. Besides, transclusion slightly increases the chances that someone will find it for re-examination. 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Pittacium idcirco e pagina detraxi. --[[Usor:Grufo|Grufo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Grufo|disputatio]]) 20:50, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Nam eaedem quidem editiones sunt, quibusdam minusculis in maiusculas versis litteris formaque apostropharum solum differunt. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 21:08, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default == Hi @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] and others, I noticed that [[:Formula:Littera s longa]] has been changed so that <nowiki>{{s}}</nowiki> produces ſ rather than s by default. This is in contrast to for example English Wikipedia which allows it as a user option, but assumes it is "s" by default. For other formulae, eg {{um}}, {{us}}, {{que}}, etc these are "off" by default. Likewise {{ae}}, {{oe}} I believe are off by default currently. There various ways that this can work, for example: * we could provide a user switch for either state per symbol, etc (with JS, as per EN.WS) * we can provide advice about applying fonts, etc, that can set ſ, ae/oe ligatures, etc, through css preferences * CSS can specify some of this per book (not all ligatures, eg {{que}} can be applied through CSS, and it depends on installed fonts in some cases) * we ''might'' be able to apply a default javascript switch behaviour per book rather than sitewide I don't have a massive preference for s over ſ, or ae / oe over or æ / œ ; but we should I think at least allow users to easily switch, especially re ſ if it is the default. Just throwing it out there for discussion, to see what the general feeling / preference would be. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:40, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :I lacked the rights to have it be toggled on and off through a gadget, we should ask interface administrators to do it, that should be the best way about it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 22:45, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] Take a look to itwikisource gadget "memoRegex". It allows to save and share nsIntex-specific, customable sets of regex or plain substitutions, and it has been recently refined by @Candalua (a great job!). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 10:39, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Portal pages == Hi all, I'd like to suggest we create a few "Portal" pages for some key topics, so we can detail what is good and why rather than just provide category pages. There's a need for a page for introductory Latin, for example, which could explain levels of suitability of texts. See also [[#Navigation and validation]] above To do this, we need community consensus to add a namespace, and then, it is done through a request at Phabricator. The namespace would define what this group of pages were called eg [[Portus:Index]] and also the name of the "Disputatio" (discussion) pages. Please let me know if you agree with this proposal or not, so we can demonstrate consensus for the change to be made. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:50, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :cc @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]]@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:12, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::I consent to the proposal, though I am not sure about the translation 'Portus'. I think that 'Aditus' would better suit this usecase, since from portals users will be able to 'adire' the relevant pages. P.S. Out of curiosity I have checked the dictionary of A. Perugini, and he translates 'portale' as 'porta principalis. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:31, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Ok, sure (regardless, the Vicifons namespace could be used meanwhile to do some testing for the content). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 12:25, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::Ok (even if I'm a inactive admin... :-( ) [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 12:55, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::I totatlly agree! - [[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:OrbiliusMagister|disputatio]]) 13:28, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] By the way, it would be nice if you could [[Vicifons:Scriptorium#Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default|check this out]]! [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 20:53, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Wikiversity was originally intended for educational purposes. But a portal can be created here too. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:00, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I think it would be best to take inspiration from [[:w:la]], at least for the vocabulary. This would: :* provide a vocabulary and structure people may be well acquainted with already :* facilitate our work, not having to find the proper terms for ourselves :* have some sort of continuity between Latin projects :I had started doing this for documentation templates, as they where copied as is from [[:en:Wikisource]]. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 20:50, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::Sure, what do you mean in practice? Does W:la have a phrase for Portal? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 21:29, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::I must say I don't really understand what you precisely intend to put on these pages and why they could not be of the Vicifons namespace. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 00:35, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::It's probably done on En:ws so that search works across portals and mainspace pages but not advice pages; or that search in advice pages does not include results from mainspace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:37, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::Here are some ideas for core pages, following nomenclature used by [[:w:la]] and [[:en:Wikisource]] (names are not definite): :::::* [[Vicifons:De stilo]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Style guide]]) including: titles and their capitalization, use of Roman/Arabic numerals, use of classifiers before numbers (liber, carmen, etc.); regularization of spelling (in non-facsimile pages), anchors, etc. :::::* [[Vicifons:Qualitas paginarum]] :::::* [[Vicifons:De categoriis]] :::::* [[Vicifons:De fontibus]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Sources]]) about how and where, or how not and where not, to find good sources, the fact that most pages don't have sources or are copied from bad sources, e.g., The Latin Library, how to recify this, etc. :::::And help pages: :::::* [[Auxilium:De digitizationem textorum imaginumque ad usum Vicifontis]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Help:Digitising texts and images for Wikisource]]) :::::* etc. :::::I'd be happy to batch something for [[Vicifons:De stilo]], as I think it is really needed. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 13:01, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::I agree, a style guide is badly needed. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:20, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I have sketched something up in my [[Usor:Saumache/Pagina cerata|sandbox]], rules are based on common practices of this wiki and personal preferences, please add rules, comments, sections, etc. without removing anything for the moment: we may discuss any of it on a dedicated discussion page. If my process isn't right and you think or know we sould do this some other way, please tell me. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 16:06, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Quae hucusque scripsisti, mihi bona videntur. Just a minor thing: the slash at the end of the link should not be included: it should be <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I]]</nowiki></code> and not <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>. The rules 'de titulis paginarum' will be particularly useful for the classical works on Wikisource, since they are a mess in this regard. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:25, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::This mostly looks good to me, although I would emphasise keeping to the orthography, numbering style, of the original texts. We are a source project after all. Variance across transcriptions is fine, but changing the source style to a project style should be kept to the minimum. All that said, in my view it's also OK to allow variances per transcription project, not least as they can be copied and re-done as people wish. ::::::::I very much agree about encouraging people to use good sources, and preferably to link them via a transcription process so they can be verified. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:11, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::::::I meant a stricter/standard orthography only for non-facsimile classical works whose original layout, orthography, etc. we don't know or poorly know, or would anyway not imitate (else we want it like this: ARMA⸱VIRVM⸱QVE⸱CANO). I think it would therefore be better to be more loosely dependent on our source editions and have a more unifying approach regarding these texts, nothwistanding the fact that a lot of these are bad copypastes of already very bad digitization from The Latin Library, and that these texts would take decades to be made into facsimile, accounting for how few we are. See for example [[Aeneis]], where people added macrons, using u's instead of v's makes searches more tedious, having letters be upper case at the start of sentences and verses as a norm would also be nice, appearance of poems, etc.; we should be able to do this if we want to, but according to rules which would be stated somewhere. I'd still understand if you are strictly against this. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 21:23, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::That all makes sense, altho I'd add we should encourage that non-linked texts be replaced with linked texts. If that was done, then versions with macrons, or other variations, could be hosted elsewhere, eg Wikibooks. In general, it seems to me that a copypasted text doesn't really meet the criteria for a Wikisource text, as it's not easily corrected, verified or even stable, given people can decide to change it according to their own tastes, whether stylistic or in terms of the editorial choices for works that ultimately depend on interpretation of competing medieval manuscripts. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 21:57, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Even if I proofread a book myself, doing it offline is 10 times faster and easier than using Vicifons built-in system. There have been reports of bots that can then organize the proofread text by page, but I've never seen one. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 10:26, 23 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::I suppose the ligatures bit is potentially controversial. I've built a system for my own transcriptions to toggle many scribal conventions on and off, eg & for early modern books; see ''[[De Principe]]'' for example. Some of these would be considered ligatures. My rationale is that it allows for preservation of the original orthography and presentation of a more modern version for everyday use. As for search, tho, doing this for some characters eg q; will cause a cost to some searching. But ae / oe are usually or often not a problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:20, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::On Vicipaedia portals are simply combined [[:w:la:Categoria:Portae|into a category]]; it is not necessary to ask the Phabricator. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 08:19, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::<small>The link you have sent is actually a category of pages about city gates (lat. ''portae''). Though,</small> It is true that we can still write portal pages without a dedicated namespace, and just group them with templates and categories. For example on German wikisource there is no author namespace, they just have an [[:de:Kategorie:Autoren|'author' category]]. It is an idea that is worth considering. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:38, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::We [[:w:la:Categoria:Portae Vicipaedianae|renamed it]] yesterday. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 16:57, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::Optime! 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([[:formula:ls]] already exists here for ſ, and some other characters semi-implemented at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] but the toggling is not switched on.) In order to implement this: (1) What would LA WiCategoria:Formulae litterarumkisource need to enable for user toggling of special characters? (2) Who would I contact (assuming this is an admin task)? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:06, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :It looks like it would need this installing, as a start: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js|MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:13, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|OrbiliusMagister}} as the only active magister! --[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:16, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|SZC 03}} in case you have an opinion (you made changes at the De Pricipia transcription project which we could implement better with this toggle feature). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:31, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::I would like to point out that not all of the listed characters are of the same kind: ::* ſ is a variant of s; ::* ß, æ and œ are [[:w:en:Ligature (writing)|ligatures]] of ſs, ae and oe respectively ([[:w:en:E caudata|ę]] can represent both ae or oe); ::* ã, ẽ, õ, ũ are used to indicate [[:w:en:Scribal abbreviation|abbreviations]]. ::Personally I think it would be somewhat useful to implement the toggle feature only for æ and œ, since of all the ligatures they are the only ones that carry some meaning (that ae or oe in that word is a diphthong) and the only ones that easily show up in search results and correctly displayed in web-browsers. ::Note that both English and Italian wikisources in their transcription guidelines take in consideration the ability of both modern readers and search engines to correctly interpret the character shown (see [[:en:Wikisource:Style guide/Orthography]] and [[:it:Wikisource:Convenzioni di trascrizione]]). Though it would be useful to write rules specific to the Latin wikisource. ::I hope these considerations were of any help. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 07:58, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) ::In regards to the [[Liber:Nicolaus Machiavellus De Principe.pdf|''De principe'']] it would be appropriate to encode the text in a way that we do not lose your work of accurately transcribing the above characters, while still showing to the end user a normalized form. My edit was trying to achieve this with the templates currently in wikisource. ::From a technical standpoint, it would be useful to have a general template not specific to any character that could be used both in ''ad hoc'' situations, and in creating other templates. ::Also if such a template is created for abbreviations it should behave differently from the long s and ligatures, since 1) the text displayed is context dependent, and 2) it is common use in diplomatic transcriptions to show the abbreviated characters in parentheses (so I were taught in paleography class). ::To give an example of point 2 from the text ([[Pagina:Nicolaus_Machiavellus_De_Principe.pdf/69|page 45]], line 11): ::Original text: Iãq́ꝫ ::Diplomatic transcription: Ia(m)q(ue) ::Standard transcription: Iamque ::I’m sorry for the lengthy comments. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:02, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I agree something adhoc would be helpful. The template would need to specify :::* the text as-is and :::* the modernised version :::and hopefully there would be a system to pick up which to display. :::In terms of the display: this could be the js system, perhaps adapted, that we have on en.ws, or possibly it could be an adjustment to the page templates set up, to allow two different books, or sets of pages, to be presented. This would have the advantage that exports would facilitate both (IDK but suspect that exports support the default rather than user choice). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 15:48, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I have set out this information in a [[Usor:JimKillock/Orthography|table]] including information about dictionary lookups and likely search engine issues. In short, from a user perspective, all the characters can be problematic, but æ and œ work within Alpheios for dictionary lookups, so are a bit more tolerable than the others from a default perspective. However I think it is useful tobe able to see and use the originals for some people, eg those practicing reading Renaissance scans etc; or researchers or academics looking to use source texts. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:09, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|Alex brollo}}, {{ping|VIGNERON}}, {{ping|Candalua}} in case you can help. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:38, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] Interesting question. I'll take a look to the ensource template to understand how it works (I hope it is not based on javascript). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 06:18, 1 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::I’m afraid it is based on javascript: [[:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js]] :::To see the button you have to enable the [[:en:Help:Gadget-Visibility|Visibility gadget]]. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 11:12, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] checking in whether we can implement this, or find another solution. I am holding off further changes until I know how to proceed - but I am sure there should be a way to do this! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:40, 19 Maii 2025 (UTC) :::Noting this question comes up again at [[:Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] (I have [[Disputatio Libri:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|left a note there]]). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:08, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::OK, I have developed templates as this is holding up other people's work. I have based each template on the existing [[:formula:ls]], and avoid duplicating those that already exist using the same method at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]]. Meantime if anyone has further thoughts about using Visibility Gadget or going another way, I would be very grateful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:02, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] I have made a very basic template for flexible character switching at [[Formula:Scr]]; this returns the first entry on the book page, and the second in main space, eg <nowiki>{{scr|qꝫ|que}}</nowiki> would work the same as <nowiki>{{que}}</nowiki>. :::::However there is advice on ENWS not to use characters but use HTML entities for CSS reasons, so it is probably better for users to use specific templates. For example, I also created <nowiki>{{po}}</nowiki> which allows a user to decide what it might best represent, eg <nowiki>{{po|;}} or {{po|?}}</nowiki>. :::::In general, using set templates like <nowiki>{{que}}, {{em}}, {{um}}, {{etc}}</nowiki> is much easier for proofing, so I think I will continue to add these where it seems useful. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:29, 24 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Hi folks, so that you know, I have made something of a workaround to be able to enable these features, which works well enough for me. I will perhaps add some guidance somewhere. What I have done: ::::::# Installed the font Garamontio, as it has the qꝫ character, and all the possible ligatures ::::::# Created custom css to apply Garamontio to Wikisource as a whole; at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.css]]; and ::::::# Created (vibecoded) custom javascript at [[Usor:JimKillock/common.js]] ::::::The second script looks for the various spans with the css style typographic-long-s, and replaces the characters as appropriate. This seems to work surprisingly well, Garamontio does all of the discretionary ligatures etc, and is a very well designed font (fork of EB Garamond, with some extra touches useful here). The issue is of course that this applies to the whole of Latin Wikisource all of the time. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:35, 25 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], reading this I wanted to tell you that you could apply styles to a index page, but I see you have already figured it out. Kudos on your progress. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 09:56, 9 Iulii 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Thanks @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]]; my list of scribal transformations has got quite long tho. And I need to check on the possible logic of it, some needs to hide and unhide, rather than search and replace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:27, 11 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == We will be enabling the new Charts extension on your wiki soon! == ''(Apologies for posting in English)'' Hi all! We have good news to share regarding the ongoing problem with graphs and charts affecting all wikis that use them. As you probably know, the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|old Graph extension]] was disabled in 2023 [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/EWL4AGBEZEDMNNFTM4FRD4MHOU3CVESO/|due to security reasons]]. We’ve worked in these two years to find a solution that could replace the old extension, and provide a safer and better solution to users who wanted to showcase graphs and charts in their articles. We therefore developed the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Charts extension]], which will be replacing the old Graph extension and potentially also the [[:mw:Extension:EasyTimeline|EasyTimeline extension]]. After successfully deploying the extension on Italian, Swedish, and Hebrew Wikipedia, as well as on MediaWiki.org, as part of a pilot phase, we are now happy to announce that we are moving forward with the next phase of deployment, which will also include your wiki. The deployment will happen in batches, and will start from '''May 6'''. Please, consult [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|our page on MediaWiki.org]] to discover when the new Charts extension will be deployed on your wiki. You can also [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|consult the documentation]] about the extension on MediaWiki.org. If you have questions, need clarifications, or just want to express your opinion about it, please refer to the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension_talk:Chart/Project|project’s talk page on Mediawiki.org]], or ping me directly under this thread. If you encounter issues using Charts once it gets enabled on your wiki, please report it on the [[:mw:Extension_talk:Chart/Project|talk page]] or at [[phab:tag/charts|Phabricator]]. 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We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation. You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. 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The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats. The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4]. Here are the key planned dates: * May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6] * June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates * July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5] * August 2025: Campaign period * August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period * October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates * Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]]. '''Call for Questions''' In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]] '''Election Volunteers''' Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]] Thank you! [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results [2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter [3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024 [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates Best regards, Victoria Doronina Board Liaison to the Elections Committee Governance Committee<section end="announcement-content" /> </div> [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 03:08, 28 Maii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:RamzyM (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28618011 --> == Administrator backlog? == Hi there, I am noticing a lot of pages that say that the current version is not checked; and versions I have amended are not (apparently) displayed because they need approval. Am I right in assuming this is due to a lack of (active) administrator time? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:53, 30 Maii 2025 (UTC) :Relatedly @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] / @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] / other admins, [[Colloquia familiaria]] has an old index page and other old sub pages which could do with changes being approved. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:58, 12 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::Ping on this, some of the sub pages are quite broken. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:42, 28 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :I have tried to fix the lack of text in ePub export for [[Noctes Atticae]]. :Unfortunately, it seems that all my submissions require approval (last approval seems to have taken place more than five years ago). :Is there any way to have <code>class="ws-export"</code> to the second <code>&lt;table&gt;</code> from [[Noctes Atticae]]? :Many thanks for your help, [[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 19:09, 15 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] Checking you know this is working now [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:21, 18 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Vote now in the 2025 U4C Election == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> Apologies for writing in English. {{Int:Please-translate}} Eligible voters are asked to participate in the 2025 [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee|Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee]] election. More information–including an eligibility check, voting process information, candidate information, and a link to the vote–are available on Meta at the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Election/2025|2025 Election information page]]. The vote closes on 17 June 2025 at [https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1750161600 12:00 UTC]. Please vote if your account is eligible. Results will be available by 1 July 2025. -- In cooperation with the U4C, [[m:User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[m:User talk:Keegan (WMF)|talk]]) 23:01, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) </div> <!-- Message sent by User:Keegan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Distribution_list/Global_message_delivery&oldid=28848819 --> == Mnemonics Book in Latin == Dear all, Over the past month, with the help of others, I’ve been compiling a list of older and often overlooked books on mnemonic techniques available on [[:en:Portal:Mnemonics|Wikisource English]]. Many of these works—some dating back decades or even centuries—offer fascinating insights into how memory has been understood, trained, and improved across different cultures and time periods. I've recently added a new section to the portal: "Multilingual Works on Mnemonic Techniques." This is in part because several of the English-language texts reference related works in other languages, particularly Latin. Unfortunately, many of these referenced works are written in Classical Latin, and my ability to work with them is quite limited—I’ve done what I can, but they remain largely inaccessible to me. If anyone has expertise in Classical Latin and might be willing to help with these texts, your assistance would be greatly appreciated. * ''[[:la:Foenix|Foenix]] by [[w:en:Peter of Ravenna|Peter of Ravenna]]'' (1491) * ''[[:la:Congestorium Artificiose Memorie|Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]'' by Johann Horst von Romberch (1533) [[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032259.jpg|150px]][[File:Johann Romberch, Congestorium artificiose... Wellcome L0032269.jpg|150px]] Here is a discussion form on it https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/johannes-romberchs-congestorium-artificiose-memorie/30174 Warm regards [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 23:15, 13 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :Hi there, I could help proofing texts you have prepared perhaps? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:57, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :: Thanks for offering—I’d really appreciate your help with proofreading. :: We have two books. Which one would you like to start with? ::*[[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf]] ::*[[Liber:Congestorium artificiose memorie ... - V.P.F. Joa(n)nis Romberch de Kyrspe. Regularis obseruantie predicatorie- (IA hin-wel-all-00002875-001).pdf]] ::[[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 21:49, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I can do the pages you have put into the first, as a start for you. BTW the transcribed text does not always look like it originated from the source. It is very correct, but some has different orthography and missed certain parts. That is fine of course if we are correcting to the original. (PS: you might want to create a user account so that you can be notified of replies, hide your IP address, etc). [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 08:57, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::I had a go at the first page or two; some of the orthography was removed while other parts were kept. I kept all of it as a first go. See the discussion above about how we treat orthography, hopefully we can address this with templates. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:11, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::I'm using Google OCR and some AI tools to pull out text and sometimes translate it into English so I can understand it. If anyone could help me proofread or check it, I’d be super grateful! [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 00:50, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) :::::I have added all the templates we need for the special characters / orthography, I will start doing the pages with those. The end result will be that on the main space ebook pages, the chars will toggle on and off, at least once that is properly implemented. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:25, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) ::::::Noted, sounds good. I’ll try adding to the other pages next time. [[Specialis:Conlationes/82.167.147.5|82.167.147.5]] 22:10, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 - Call for Candidates</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="announcement-content" /> :''<div class="plainlinks">[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Call for candidates|{{int:interlanguage-link-mul}}]] • [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-{{urlencode:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Call for candidates}}&language=&action=page&filter= {{int:please-translate}}]</div> Hello all, The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025|call for candidates for the 2025 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees selection is now open]] from June 17, 2025 – July 2, 2025 at 11:59 UTC [1]. The Board of Trustees oversees the Wikimedia Foundation's work, and each Trustee serves a three-year term [2]. This is a volunteer position. This year, the Wikimedia community will vote in late August through September 2025 to fill two (2) seats on the Foundation Board. Could you – or someone you know – be a good fit to join the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees? [3] Learn more about what it takes to stand for these leadership positions and how to submit your candidacy on [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Candidate application|this Meta-wiki page]] or encourage someone else to run in this year's election. Best regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi<br /> Chair of the Elections Committee On behalf of the Elections Committee and Governance Committee [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Call_for_candidates [2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal:Bylaws#(B)_Term. 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[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:14, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Sister Projects Task Force reviews Wikispore and Wikinews</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Dear Wikimedia Community, The [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee|Community Affairs Committee (CAC)]] of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees assigned [[m:Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Sister Projects Task Force|the Sister Projects Task Force (SPTF)]] to update and implement a procedure for assessing the lifecycle of Sister Projects – wiki [[m:Wikimedia projects|projects supported by Wikimedia Foundation (WMF)]]. A vision of relevant, accessible, and impactful free knowledge has always guided the Wikimedia Movement. As the ecosystem of Wikimedia projects continues to evolve, it is crucial that we periodically review existing projects to ensure they still align with our goals and community capacity. Despite their noble intent, some projects may no longer effectively serve their original purpose. '''Reviewing such projects is not about giving up – it's about responsible stewardship of shared resources'''. Volunteer time, staff support, infrastructure, and community attention are finite, and the non-technical costs tend to grow significantly as our ecosystem has entered a different age of the internet than the one we were founded in. Supporting inactive projects or projects that didn't meet our ambitions can unintentionally divert these resources from areas with more potential impact. Moreover, maintaining projects that no longer reflect the quality and reliability of the Wikimedia name stands for, involves a reputational risk. An abandoned or less reliable project affects trust in the Wikimedia movement. Lastly, '''failing to sunset or reimagine projects that are no longer working can make it much harder to start new ones'''. When the community feels bound to every past decision – no matter how outdated – we risk stagnation. A healthy ecosystem must allow for evolution, adaptation, and, when necessary, letting go. If we create the expectation that every project must exist indefinitely, we limit our ability to experiment and innovate. Because of this, SPTF reviewed two requests concerning the lifecycle of the Sister Projects to work through and demonstrate the review process. We chose Wikispore as a case study for a possible new Sister Project opening and Wikinews as a case study for a review of an existing project. Preliminary findings were discussed with the CAC, and a community consultation on both proposals was recommended. === Wikispore === The [[m:Wikispore|application to consider Wikispore]] was submitted in 2019. SPTF decided to review this request in more depth because rather than being concentrated on a specific topic, as most of the proposals for the new Sister Projects are, Wikispore has the potential to nurture multiple start-up Sister Projects. After careful consideration, the SPTF has decided '''not to recommend''' Wikispore as a Wikimedia Sister Project. Considering the current activity level, the current arrangement allows '''better flexibility''' and experimentation while WMF provides core infrastructural support. We acknowledge the initiative's potential and seek community input on what would constitute a sufficient level of activity and engagement to reconsider its status in the future. As part of the process, we shared the decision with the Wikispore community and invited one of its leaders, Pharos, to an SPTF meeting. Currently, we especially invite feedback on measurable criteria indicating the project's readiness, such as contributor numbers, content volume, and sustained community support. This would clarify the criteria sufficient for opening a new Sister Project, including possible future Wikispore re-application. However, the numbers will always be a guide because any number can be gamed. === Wikinews === We chose to review Wikinews among existing Sister Projects because it is the one for which we have observed the highest level of concern in multiple ways. Since the SPTF was convened in 2023, its members have asked for the community's opinions during conferences and community calls about Sister Projects that did not fulfil their promise in the Wikimedia movement.[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WCNA_2024._Sister_Projects_-_opening%3F_closing%3F_merging%3F_splitting%3F.pdf <nowiki>[1]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Sister_Projects_Task_Force#Wikimania_2023_session_%22Sister_Projects:_past,_present_and_the_glorious_future%22 <nowiki>[2]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[3]</nowiki>] Wikinews was the leading candidate for an evaluation because people from multiple language communities proposed it. Additionally, by most measures, it is the least active Sister Project, with the greatest drop in activity over the years. While the Language Committee routinely opens and closes language versions of the Sister Projects in small languages, there has never been a valid proposal to close Wikipedia in major languages or any project in English. This is not true for Wikinews, where there was a proposal to close English Wikinews, which gained some traction but did not result in any action[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_English_Wikinews <nowiki>[4]</nowiki>][https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2024/Programme/Quelle_proc%C3%A9dure_pour_ouvrir_ou_fermer_un_projet_%3F <nowiki>[5]</nowiki>, see section 5] as well as a draft proposal to close all languages of Wikinews[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_closing_projects/Archive_2#Close_Wikinews_completely,_all_languages? <nowiki>[6]</nowiki>]. [[:c:File:Sister Projects Taskforce Wikinews review 2024.pdf|Initial metrics]] compiled by WMF staff also support the community's concerns about Wikinews. Based on this report, SPTF recommends a community reevaluation of Wikinews. We conclude that its current structure and activity levels are the lowest among the existing sister projects. SPTF also recommends pausing the opening of new language editions while the consultation runs. SPTF brings this analysis to a discussion and welcomes discussions of alternative outcomes, including potential restructuring efforts or integration with other Wikimedia initiatives. '''Options''' mentioned so far (which might be applied to just low-activity languages or all languages) include but are not limited to: *Restructure how Wikinews works and is linked to other current events efforts on the projects, *Merge the content of Wikinews into the relevant language Wikipedias, possibly in a new namespace, *Merge content into compatibly licensed external projects, *Archive Wikinews projects. Your insights and perspectives are invaluable in shaping the future of these projects. We encourage all interested community members to share their thoughts on the relevant discussion pages or through other designated feedback channels. === Feedback and next steps === We'd be grateful if you want to take part in a conversation on the future of these projects and the review process. We are setting up two different project pages: [[m:Public consultation about Wikispore|Public consultation about Wikispore]] and [[m:Public consultation about Wikinews|Public consultation about Wikinews]]. Please participate between 27 June 2025 and 27 July 2025, after which we will summarize the discussion to move forward. You can write in your own language. I will also host a community conversation 16th July Wednesday 11.00 UTC and 17th July Thursday 17.00 UTC (call links to follow shortly) and will be around at Wikimania for more discussions. <section end="message"/> </div> -- [[User:Victoria|Victoria]] on behalf of the Sister Project Task Force, 20:57, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Johan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Johan_(WMF)/Sister_project_MassMassage_on_behalf_of_Victoria/Target_list&oldid=28911188 --> == Latin incunabula and other early books == Expanding a bit on what I mentioned above, re character toggling, and also working on the books [[Foenix]] and [[Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae]] * the Transkribus Latin Incunabula scan does a great job on the heavy gothic style print * I will see how it does with more Garamond-style texts, in case it works with these * I have developed a fairly full set of templates for scribal characters, see [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]] * I am thinking about using a bot to wholesale search and replace long s, and other scribal characters mapped there Between these things, the work to transcribe and correct early printed Latin books should be very much reduced. If anyone feels like helping test this out, do give me shout. Meantime I will run tests on Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae to check how well the bot system works. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:50, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :The folks at Wikisource helped create a JS solution for this, see [[Usor:JimKillock/incunabula.js]]. The script does a search and replace for what is needed, on the '''first save of a new book page'''; these are the settings for the Incunabula style section of [[Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf|this scan, p 52 onwards]] for [[Congestorium Artificiose Memorie]]. It seems to work very well and is extremely labour saving! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 22:59, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC) == Navigation and validation == Hi there, I would like to do some work on navigation, to provide some "portal" pages similar to EN Wikisource. For example, this would help with learner texts a lot 9I often get asked how to find these texts, I point to the category pages, but these are very basic. I would also like to know what we should do about page validation. Some really necessary changes are currently languishing in the backlog. This is an admin only task: should we asking for more administrators, or is this something existing admins here can take on? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 14:08, 13 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :Hi {{U|JimKillock}} good idea, don't hesitate to start and/or ask for help. That said, I'm not sure to see why this is an admin task (even if, yes, the underlying point is true, we need more admins). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:31, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think the Portal namespace and some modules need setting up which require admin permissions, I will dig a bit further and come back to you. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Wikidata Item and Property labels soon displayed in Wiki Watchlist/Recent Changes == ''(Apologies for posting in English, you can help by translating into your language)'' Hello everyone, the [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects]] team is excited to announce an upcoming change in how Wikidata edit changelogs are displayed in your [[Special:Watchlist|Watchlists]] and [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes]] lists. If an edit is made on Wikidata that affects a page in another Wikimedia Project, the changelog will contain some information about the nature of the edit. This can include a QID (or Q-number), a PID (or P-number) and a value (which can be text, numbers, dates, or also QID or PID’s). Confused by these terms? See the [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Glossary|Wikidata:Glossary]] for further explanations. The upcoming change is scheduled for '''17.07.2025''', between '''1300 - 1500 UTC'''. The change will display the label (item name) alongside any QID or PIDs, as seen in the image below: [[File:Apr10 edit summary on Wikidata.png|An edit sum entry on Wikidata, labels display alongside their P- and Q-no.'s]] These changes will only be visible if you have Wikidata edits enabled in your User Preferences for Watchlists and Recent Changes, or have the active filter ‘Wikidata edits’ checkbox toggled on, directly on the Watchlist and Recent Changes pages. Your bot and gadget may be affected! There are thousands of bots, gadgets and user-scripts and whilst we have researched potential effects to many of them, we cannot guarantee there won’t be some that are broken or affected by this change. Further information and context about this change, including how your bot may be affected can be found on this [[m:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|project task page]]. We welcome your questions and feedback, please write to us on this dedicated [[m:Talk:Wikidata_For_Wikimedia_Projects/Clearer_Wikidata_Edit_Summaries/Resolve_Labels|Talk page]]. Thank you, - [[m:User:Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)|Danny Benjafield (WMDE)]] on behalf of the Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects Team. [[Usor:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:MediaWiki message delivery|disputatio]]) 12:46, 14 Iulii 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Danny Benjafield (WMDE)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Danny_Benjafield_(WMDE)/MassMessage_Test_List&oldid=28981877 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr"> Upcoming Deployment of the CampaignEvents Extension</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="message"/> Hello everyone, ''(Apologies for posting in English if English is not your first language. Please help translate to your language.)'' The Campaigns Product Team is planning a global deployment of the '''[[:mw:Help:Extension:CampaignEvents|CampaignEvents extension]]''' to all Wikisource, including this Wikisource, during the '''week of August 25th'''. This extension is designed to help organizers plan and manage events, WikiProjects, and other on-wiki collaborations - and to make these efforts more discoverable. The three main features of this extension are: * '''[[:m:Event_Center/Registration|Event Registration]]''': A simple way to sign up for events on the wiki. * '''[[:m:CampaignEvents/Collaboration_list|Collaboration List]]''': A global list of events and a local list of WikiProjects, accessible at '''[[:m:Special:AllEvents|Special:AllEvents]]'''. * '''[[:m:Campaigns/Foundation_Product_Team/Invitation_list|Invitation Lists]]''': A tool to help organizers find editors who might want to join, based on their past contributions. '''Note''': The extension comes with a new user right called '''"Event Organizer"''', which will be managed by administrators on this Wikisource. Organizer tools like Event Registration and Invitation Lists will only work if someone is granted this right. The Collaboration List is available to everyone immediately after deployment. The extension is already live on several wikis, including '''all Wikipedia, Meta, Wikidata''', and more ( [[m:CampaignEvents/Deployment_status#Current_Deployment_Status_for_CampaignEvents_extension| See the full deployment list]]) If you have any questions, concerns, or feedback, please feel free to share them on the [[m:Talk:CampaignEvents| extension talkpage]]. We’d love to hear from you before the rollout. Thank you! <section end="message"/> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:Udehb-WMF|Udehb-WMF]] ([[User talk:Udehb-WMF|disputatio]]) 15:40, 31 Iulii 2025 (UTC)</bdi> <!-- Message sent by User:Udehb-WMF@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Udehb-WMF/sandbox/MM_target_Wikisource&oldid=29066664 --> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr">Temporary accounts will be rolled out soon</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr"> <section begin="body"/> Hello, we are the Wikimedia Foundation [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Product Safety and Integrity|Product Safety and Integrity]] team. We would like to announce that '''we plan to enable [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] for this wiki in the week of September 1'''. Temporary accounts are successfully live on 30 wikis, including many large ones like German, Japanese, and French. The change they bring is especially relevant to logged-out editors, who this feature is designed to protect. But it is also relevant to community members like mentors, patrollers, and admins – anyone who reverts edits, blocks users, or otherwise interacts with logged-out editors as part of keeping the wikis safe and accurate. '''Why we are building temporary accounts''' Our wikis should be safer to edit by default for logged-out editors. Temporary accounts allow people to continue editing the wikis without creating an account, while avoiding publicly tying their edits to their IP address. We believe this is in the best interest of our logged-out editors, who make valuable contributions to the wikis and who may later create accounts and grow our community of editors, admins, and other roles. Even though the wikis do warn logged-out editors that their IP address will be associated with their edit, many people may not understand what an IP address is, or that it could be used to connect them to other information about them in ways they might not expect. Additionally, our moderation software and tools rely too heavily on network origin (IP addresses) to identify users and patterns of activity, especially as IP addresses themselves are becoming less stable as identifiers. Temporary accounts allow for more precise interactions with logged-out editors, including more precise blocks, and can help limit how often we unintentionally end up blocking good-faith users who use the same IP addresses as bad-faith users. '''How temporary accounts work''' [[File:Temporary account banner and empty talk page.png|thumb]] Any time a logged-out user publishes an edit on this wiki, a cookie will be set in this user's browser, and a temporary account tied with this cookie will be automatically created. This account's name will follow the pattern: <code dir=ltr>~2025-12345-67</code> (a tilde, current year, a number). On pages like Recent Changes or page history, this name will be displayed. The cookie will expire 90 days after its creation. As long as it exists, all edits made from this device will be attributed to this temporary account. It will be the same account even if the IP address changes, unless the user clears their cookies or uses a different device or web browser. A record of the IP address used at the time of each edit will be stored for 90 days after the edit. However, only some logged-in users will be able to see it. '''What does this mean for different groups of users?''' '''For logged-out editors''' * This increases privacy: currently, if you do not use a registered account to edit, then everybody can see the IP address for the edits you made, even after 90 days. That will no longer be possible on this wiki. * If you use a temporary account to edit from different locations in the last 90 days (for example at home and at a coffee shop), the edit history and the IP addresses for all those locations will now be recorded together, for the same temporary account. Users who [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Access_to_temporary_account_IP_addresses|meet the relevant requirements]] will be able to view this data. If this creates any personal security concerns for you, please contact talktohumanrights at wikimedia.org for advice. '''For community members interacting with logged-out editors''' * A temporary account is uniquely linked to a device. In comparison, an IP address can be shared with different devices and people (for example, different people at school or at work might have the same IP address). * Compared to the current situation, it will be safer to assume that a temporary user's talk page belongs to only one person, and messages left there will be read by them. As you can see in the screenshot, temporary account users will receive notifications. It will also be possible to thank them for their edits, ping them in discussions, and invite them to get more involved in the community. '''For users who use IP address data to moderate and maintain the wiki''' * '''For patrollers''' who track persistent abusers, investigate violations of policies, etc.: Users who [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Access_to_temporary_account_IP_addresses|meet the requirements]] will be able to reveal temporary users' IP addresses and all contributions made by temporary accounts from a specific IP address or range ([[Special:IPContributions]]). They will also have access to useful information about the IP addresses thanks to the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/IP Info|IP Info]] feature. Many other pieces of software have been built or adjusted to work with temporary accounts, including AbuseFilter, global blocks, Global User Contributions, and more. (For information for volunteer developers on how to update the code of your tools – see the last part of the message.) * '''For admins blocking logged-out editors''': ** It will be possible to block many abusers by just blocking their temporary accounts. A blocked person won't be able to create new temporary accounts quickly if the admin selects the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Autoblock|autoblock]] option. ** It will still be possible to block an IP address or IP range. * Temporary accounts will not be retroactively applied to contributions made before the deployment. On Special:Contributions, you will be able to see existing IP user contributions, but not new contributions made by temporary accounts on that IP address. Instead, you should use Special:IPContributions for this. '''Our requests for you, and next steps''' * If you know of any tools, bots, gadgets etc. using data about IP addresses or being available for logged-out users, you may want to test if they work on [[testwiki:Main_Page|testwiki]] or [[test2wiki:Main_Page|test2wiki]]. If you are a volunteer developer, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers|read our documentation for developers]], and in particular, the section on [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/For developers#How should I update my code?|how your code might need to be updated]]. * If you want to test the temporary account experience, for example just to check what it feels like, go to testwiki or test2wiki and edit without logging in. * Tell us if you know of any difficulties that need to be addressed. We will try to help, and if we are not able, we will consider the available options. * Look at our [[m:Meta:Babel#Temporary_Accounts:_access_to_IP_addresses_and_next_steps|previous message]] about requirements for users without extended rights who may need access to IP addresses. To learn more about the project, check out [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/FAQ|our FAQ]] – you will find many useful answers there. You may also [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/Updates|look at the updates]] (we have just posted one) and [[mw:Newsletter:Product Safety and Integrity|subscribe to our new newsletter]]. If you'd like to talk to me (Szymon) off-wiki, you will find me on Discord and Telegram. Thank you!<section end="body" /> </div> <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[m:user:NKohli (WMF)|NKohli (WMF)]], [[m:user:SGrabarczuk (WMF)|SGrabarczuk (WMF)]]</bdi> 21:36, 26 Augusti 2025 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Quiddity (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Quiddity_(WMF)/sandbox6&oldid=29181713 --> == All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae == I was looking for templates/formulae by looking at <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> All pages in [[Liber:Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Many (all?) pages in [[Liber:Gallia Christiana, 1715, T1.djvu]] are in <nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki>, like article [[Gallia Christiana 1715 01/Epistola2]] These all use [[Formula:Sidenotes begin]]. There is one "[https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&oldid=79709&diff=cur pending change]" on this template. But that change puts the category outside the noinclude. ::<nowiki></noinclude></nowiki> ::<nowiki>[[Categoria:Formulae]]</nowiki> Please either reject the change or move the categoria line. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 04:17, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], I don't think anyone from the admins is monitoring or actioning pending changes currently. (see discussions re admin queues above.) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 05:29, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Shenme}} {{done}} I excluded the categories. {{ping|JimKillock}} no blame but be careful next time, categories should always be excluded. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:28, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|VIGNERON}} It wasn't @JimKillock who made [https://la.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Formula:Sidenotes_begin&diff=next&oldid=79709 the problematic change], but someone else [[Usor:Ceciliawolf]]. I noticed the problem, he included the problem a list that got your attention. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 02:46, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Shenme}} yes, but [[Special:Diff/236794]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 06:57, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Request for admin status == Hi all, given that we have quite a lot of admin requests (mostly relating to "pending" changes), I would like to request administrator status so that some of these can be cleared. If anyone else wants to step up to help out, that would also be welcome. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:23, 1 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Ping to @[[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]], @[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]]:, @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]]:, @[[Usor:Candalua|Candalua]]: in case you feel able to support my request. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:57, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Hi {{U|JimKillock}}, ::I apparently missed it, where do we have « a lot of admin requests » ? ::That said, one more admin is always good, so create the request and I'll support it. ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:34, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::Hi @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]], :::Thank you! On the admin requests, on this page, here are these :::* [[#All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae]] :::* [[#It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace]] (which you have replied to) :::* [[#Navigation and validation]] :::* [[#Administrator backlog?]] :::* [[#Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s)]] (altho this has been worked around and may not be needed) :::Most of these relate to the ''Pending changes'' backlog in various ways; two are requests for new features / modules to be ported across. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks, I see. It doesn't look like a lot to me, I'll try to deal with it today. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:27, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thank you @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] :) You could also take a look at the pending changes on [[Formula:Pagina_prima/Novae_Aetatis]] and [[Moriae encomium]]. The really big job is going through [[Specialis:PendingChanges|pending changes]] altogether - I understand there is a five year backlog. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:36, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::I see... I had a quick look and all changes seem good. Do we even need this extension on Wikisource? Also, if we keep it, I guess we need more reviewers rather than admins (more admins would be useful too, but that's a separate point). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 10:35, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Of course, the request needs to be supported; without active administrators it is very inconvenient. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:21, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::What do you need us to do? BTW, it would be great to know why edits require administrator approvals. Sorry, but I‘m afraid this makes contributing almost pointless. Many thanks for your help, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 14:15, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::So there are two reasons it would be helpful for me to be an admin; one is if we carry on with the approval system (it looks like we will not) and the other is around updating or adding certain components, modules for example. There may be other tasks I am not aware of that I could help with, but these are the ones I know about. Implementing Portal pages for example needs some work by an admin AIUI. :::@[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] your question re edits needing approval is [[#Do_we_need_to_approve_changes_to_pages|addressed below, here]]. :::In terms of what you / others need to do, it seems that if there is a consensus to allow me administrator permissions, then a bueaucrat user would implement it (I mistakenly opening a request at meta, and they referred me back here); so we just need to have your views, yes, no, maybe, etc. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:01, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::The page [[Vicifons:Magistratus]], intended for promotion, seems to be protected; I couldn't edit it (''petitio grapheocrat'''ae''''') and add a category ([[:Categoria:Usores]]). [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:23, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::Thanks, it seems editable now so I [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Petitio_magistratus|added my request there]], if anyone wants to support it. Regarding ''grapheocrates -ae'', how is this declined? Is it otherwise treated as a masculine first declension? Thinking it ought to be added to Wiktionary as it is missing from there. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 17:00, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::This is [https://archive.org/details/calepinusnovus2002/calepinusnovus2002-french-latin/page/n23/mode/1up?q=grapheocrates from Licoppe and Eichenseer]. Yes, this can be added to Wiktionary, I have no experience editing there. Thanks for the corrections, today the system let me in, but yesterday for some unknown reason it didn’t let me in. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 20:53, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::Thank you and no problem. I can add to Wiktionary I hope; is the plural therefore ''grapheocratae''; and is the singular ''grapheocrates'' or ''grapheocrata''? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:14, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Yes, of course. They took the Modern Greek word γραφειοκράτης. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:41, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::::::::Great, after a bit of struggle that is at [[:en:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] and [[:la:wiktionary:grapheocrates]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:43, 7 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace == It would require someone with interface admin status to create [[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index data config.json]] to replace the current index form parameters ([[MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index attributes|very old system]]) with special care to not mass delete information by unadvertedly changing some parameter's name. [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_data_config.json Example from the English Wikisource]. If someone wants to help, please contact me. Regards! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 02:10, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Hi @[[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]], potentially - if I have admin status :) [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:54, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|Ignacio Rodríguez}} I did a test (by copy-pasting the English page), it works, so no need to be interface admin, being admin is enough. ::I only half understand that paramater page, could you give me the actual content expected ? ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:38, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :::I don't remember all the details but I worked on that page in the Spanish Wikisource almost a decade ago. I'll make a mockup in the talk page, but I can't promise to get all the Latin words right. For ease, parameter names and help tooltips will be in English internally, but they will show in Latin in the form. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::::This was added and it now works perfectly. Thanks! [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 16:25, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) == Do we need to approve changes to pages == Hi all, Moving the discussion regarding the backlog at [[Specialis:PendingChanges]]: @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] asks whether we need to have this feature. I suspect it was switched on because of spam, vandalism, or some other similar issue. Without it we might need to be keeping an eye on recent changes. I am not sure how the proteccted changes permissions works, or whether permissions to make approvals to changes can be delegated more widely. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 19:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :Changes to pages affecting project *function* must be controlled. But it seems that Pending Changes doesn't actually stop changes to something like a template/formula from having effect? See my report about <nowiki>Formula:Sidenotes begin</nowiki> above. :And checking a couple of the other initial items in [[Specialis:PendingChanges]], it seems that all pending changes are actually immediately applied to active, visible pages. :So Pending Changes <u>does not prevent damage</u> to the project. It is <u>merely a tracking and notification method?</u> :That can be useful, but requires a set of people to be change reviewers. And changes to subject matter would seem to require reviewers knowledgeable about the subject? :And when changes affect *function*, like templates, who can review and approve those? I'd think only admins. :The link to monitoring Recent Changes is undeniable. I monitor Recent Changes often at Spanish Wikisource because I've seen the random damage people can do. That is the only way to react quickly to damage. (?) But then that assumes people are checking lists frequently, at least daily. :Neither Pending Changes or monitoring Recent Changes prevent damage. They can be only part of a solution to damage. I don't know what to think about Pending Changes ''in isolation''. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 03:48, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} I've got mainly two points : ::* vandlism is low to inexistant on la.ws (and it's already low on most Wikisources), making this extension useless and even problematic. Because it doesn't prevent changes but it prevents them to be effective. ::** Apparently the reason to install is [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_VII#protection_of_completed_works_-_Flagged_Revisions_as_an_alternative?]] ::* this extension is actually caleld [[mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs]] and it's deprecated for years (see [[Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_XI#Futrue_of_FlaggedRevs_(Pending_Changes)_extension]] or the warning on the extension itself « Flagged Revisions is complex, poorly documented, very clunky, and not recommended for production use »). Also, people on Wikisource don't seem to really master or even using it (including the reviewers rights). Maybe it's aan opportunity to list exactly what we need and find a new extension that fit these needs. ::In the end, I see a lot of cons and only a few pros... ::Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 07:35, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :I haven't seen any vandalism here in years. But if you fix the errors, the "Pending Changes" status means that the fixes will only be visible to registered users. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 12:10, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|JimKillock|Shenme}} many thanks for your replies. I must admit that I’m an occasional Wikisource (or even Wikipedia contributor). I essentially (or exclusively) contribute corrections. :Some days ago, I wanted to download an ePub file for the [[Noctes Atticae]] (to do some regexp searches), but the export was wrong. I tried to modify the code (which I have done successfully for the Greek Wikisource many times) and I found out that I needed a ''nihil obstat'' (I’m afraid this would be way to name it). :Of course, I’m the least interested in vandalism (either contributing it myself, or being any collaborative project being infested/polluted by it). But I think there should be a way of distinguishing between vandalism and non-hardcore (or occasional) contributors. :I don’t know any perfect system, but it should be worth considering a mixed approach. Approval could be required for: already flagged users (for vandalism) and recent users (how about a five-year publishing embargo?). :Only to mention a case, my [https://el.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Συμπόσιον_(Πλάτων)&diff=prev&oldid=49677 first contribution to the Greek Wiksource] was in 2012. I don’t know for how long I have been registered in Wikimedia (I guess this was before 2010). :This isn’t about myself, the issue here is that Wikisource needs contributions to even exist (not to mention for its growth). If no regular user is allowed to contribute without approval, cooperation is basically non-existing. :Even with approval, the reply times are incredibly slow (because of the system). It is not that attention spans are getting shorter, time is the most scarce resource we all are (and I don’t have weeks or months to see whether I’m allowed to have [[Noctes Atticae]] as ePub). :Sorry, the sentence in parentheses isn’t a complaint. Please, do as you please, but my contribution is: consider that you might be making contributions way harder, project growth way slower and administrators’ roles way more complicated (probably, than they could and should be). :Many thanks for your help and your project, --[[Usor:Ousia|Ousia]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ousia|disputatio]]) 17:15, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] I think there is consensus we can switch this off. Let me know if I can help in any way if you think it's time to switch it off. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:25, 4 Octobris 2025 (UTC) :::{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks for the reminder and agreed for removal, so I created a task on Phabricator here : [[Phab:T406424]]. Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 09:42, 5 Octobris 2025 (UTC) ::::Thanks for filing this @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] , the Wikimedia tech team seem to have finished their work on this now! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 12:16, 18 Octobris 2025 (UTC) == Index page error "Error: Invalid interval" == I am getting an error: at [[:Liber:Nos in schola latine loquimur - Ars latine loquendi.pdf]] "Error: Invalid interval" for the paginae listing; even when set to <code><nowiki><pagelist 1=1 /></nowiki></code>. Any clues appreciated! [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:48, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) :This might be the infamous "0x0 bug" that has plagued Wikisource for two? three? years. Normally it resolves doing a purge in both the file page in Commons and in the local Wikisource. [[Usor:Ignacio Rodríguez|Ignacio Rodríguez]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Ignacio Rodríguez|disputatio]]) 19:34, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC) ::Thanks, that seems to b working now. 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Appropriate for here? == What is going on here? * [[Scriptor:Coronus_Tenebrosius]] * [[Contemplationes_Metaphysicae]] * [[Puteus_Chaosi]] * [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius]] No statement of copyright. No proof of authorship. paginae vanitatis ? [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 08:24, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Cum iure auctoris problemata non habebimus, si auctor ipse opera exponit. Et si delere consilium capiemus, [[Vicifons:Magistratus#Saumache|magistratus non habemus]], qui hoc faciant. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:37, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :<blockquote>'''Salvete.''' '''Nomen meum est Krunoslav Mrkoci, et ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' est interpretatio nominis mei in linguam Latinam, id est identitas mea Latina.''' '''Confirmo me ipsum auctorem esse omnium operum hic editorum. Opera primum Croatice scripta sunt, hic autem in versione Latina proposita.''' '''Praeterea fere omnia opera mea iam antea Croatice edita sunt in forma typographica. Id praesertim ad carmina mea pertinet, quae primum anno 1998 in libello iuvenili edita sunt, deinde in variis commentariis typis impressis, inter quos eminenter numeratur periodicum litterarium, culturalis et scientificum ''Riječi'' (Latine: ''Verba''), quod bis delectum e carminibus meis protulit.''' '''Item magna pars commentationum aliarumque prosarum, quae hic in linguam Latinam conversa sunt, iam antea et typis et forma electronica in Croatia divulgata est.''' Quaeso ut attendatis ad paginam meam in Wikidata, ubi tam sub nomine Croatico ''Krunoslav Mrkoci'' quam sub nomine Latino ''Coronus Tenebrosius'' ut auctor operum meorum inscriptus sum. Gratias ago pro lectione. '''Coronus Tenebrosius'''.</blockquote> [[Usor:Coronus Tenebrosius|Coronus Tenebrosius]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Coronus Tenebrosius|disputatio]]) 12:23, 9 Iunii 2026 (UTC) == Copying some templates from the English Wikisource == Hello, Would someone please be able to help me get [[s:en:Template:ppoem|en:Template:ppoem]], [[s:en:blackletter|en:blackletter]], [[s:en:Template:he|en:Template:he]], and [[s:en:Template:grc|en:Template:grc]] available to use on this Wikisource, so I can utilize them here? For the blackletter, I've tried [[Formula:Gothica|Gothica]], but that doesn't seem to be rendering properly. Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 00:04, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] I made the shortcut for [[Formula:Graeca]]. You should not need any administror rights to do anything you need, I'll take a look into it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 09:46, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :Blackletter is already here, [[:Formula:Gothica]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 10:57, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Hi! @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]], thanks! Just for clarification, do I need to make the template pages in Latin, or is it alright to copy them in English? Also, @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]], I mentioned this above, but for some reason, the Gothica template isn't working for me. See [[Pagina:Polygamia Triumphatrix.pdf/15]], for example. Any idea why that might be the case? [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 16:16, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] This wiki lacks proper guidelines and recommendations, I would prefer if you translated the template's name, e.g., [[Formula:spatium]] rather than [[Formula:spatio]] but given the international nature of the project (nobody's mother tongue is Latin) best practice should be to add translated names as shortcuts/redirects. Beware adding templates that are already on the wiki under a different name ([[Formula:grc]] was already at [[Formula:Graeca]]). I took a quick look and it seems the fonts used by the blackletter template are not installed on the wiki; the same template does not seem to work on the French Wikisource either. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 17:40, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::Maybe we have sufficient powers to add the fonts now? Or we can ask someone with additional permissions to do so. But yes I remember now this has been a long standing problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:54, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::[https://yaytext.com/fraktur/ This converter] 𝔠𝔬𝔫𝔳𝔢𝔯𝔱𝔰 𝔩𝔢𝔱𝔱𝔢𝔯𝔰 𝔱𝔬 𝔉𝔯𝔞𝔨𝔱𝔲𝔯 (because it exists in Unicode as separate characters). <s>However, I'm not sure if such text can be found using a regular search.</s> No, Wikipedia search finds it. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 21:48, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::I looked into using the converter, but I'm running into the issue of lack of compatibility with {{[[Formula:Ls|Ls]]}}. Would it be better to just wait for the font to be added? Do we have any idea when that will happen/who needs to be contacted for that to happen? ::::Thanks, [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 19:34, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::::These Unicode characters don't feel right on my labtop, they have heigth issues among other things. I went and asked on two different wikis about the fonts, I will come back to you when I get some answers. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 19:41, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :[[Formula:Poema recte formatum]] or [[Formula:Ppoem]] now work, altho there's issues with the documentation page. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:52, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 21:20, 14 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{tl|blackletter}} was not working for me, even after locally installing UnifrakturMaguntia from Google fonts, until I restarted my web browser, which also followed my rebooting. Also, it can't be just any gothic/blackletter font, but must be one of these Fraktur fonts: UnifrakturMaguntia UnifrakturCook Unifraktur. [[Usor:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Shenme|disputatio]]) 21:19, 15 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :{{ping|Demetrius Talpa|JimKillock|Erblanchard57}} Fonts are downloaded locally, you need to go to Modi/Praeferentiae > Proprietates > Sermonis delectus > Plura > Scripturae and toggle "Download fonts when needed". The option seems not to be that easy to toggle on by default. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 10:56, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, great. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:09, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you very much! [[Usor:Erblanchard57|Erblanchard57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Erblanchard57|disputatio]]) 15:57, 17 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::English WS seems to pull the font in from a repository. I've copied over the module ULS, css etc, would be good to know if it has made any difference. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) :::{{blackletter|fraktur}} etc [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 13:26, 18 Iunii 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I just deactivated the "download fonts when needed" option for a second to see if it would work without it, and it still doesn't. 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Every page now has the "Proofread" status, except that a few are also "Validated". I expect it will take quite a while before the whole book gets that second read, if it ever will. My question: is it already acceptable to transclude the text into the main namespace at this stage, even though most pages are only single-proofread rather than validated? Or is there a convention on this Wikisource that a work should be fully validated before merging onto the mainspace? Gratias vobis ago pro consiliis vestris. [[Usor:Sakvaka|Sakvaka]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Sakvaka|disputatio]]) 09:16, 25 Iulii 2026 (UTC) :Of course, this is acceptable; the texts there are of very different quality. Besides, transclusion slightly increases the chances that someone will find it for re-examination. 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Pittacium idcirco e pagina detraxi. --[[Usor:Grufo|Grufo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Grufo|disputatio]]) 20:50, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Nam eaedem quidem editiones sunt, quibusdam minusculis in maiusculas versis litteris formaque apostropharum solum differunt. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 21:08, 9 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default == Hi @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] and others, I noticed that [[:Formula:Littera s longa]] has been changed so that <nowiki>{{s}}</nowiki> produces ſ rather than s by default. This is in contrast to for example English Wikipedia which allows it as a user option, but assumes it is "s" by default. For other formulae, eg {{um}}, {{us}}, {{que}}, etc these are "off" by default. Likewise {{ae}}, {{oe}} I believe are off by default currently. There various ways that this can work, for example: * we could provide a user switch for either state per symbol, etc (with JS, as per EN.WS) * we can provide advice about applying fonts, etc, that can set ſ, ae/oe ligatures, etc, through css preferences * CSS can specify some of this per book (not all ligatures, eg {{que}} can be applied through CSS, and it depends on installed fonts in some cases) * we ''might'' be able to apply a default javascript switch behaviour per book rather than sitewide I don't have a massive preference for s over ſ, or ae / oe over or æ / œ ; but we should I think at least allow users to easily switch, especially re ſ if it is the default. Just throwing it out there for discussion, to see what the general feeling / preference would be. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 16:40, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :I lacked the rights to have it be toggled on and off through a gadget, we should ask interface administrators to do it, that should be the best way about it. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 22:45, 16 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] Take a look to itwikisource gadget "memoRegex". It allows to save and share nsIntex-specific, customable sets of regex or plain substitutions, and it has been recently refined by @Candalua (a great job!). [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 10:39, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Portal pages == Hi all, I'd like to suggest we create a few "Portal" pages for some key topics, so we can detail what is good and why rather than just provide category pages. There's a need for a page for introductory Latin, for example, which could explain levels of suitability of texts. See also [[#Navigation and validation]] above To do this, we need community consensus to add a namespace, and then, it is done through a request at Phabricator. The namespace would define what this group of pages were called eg [[Portus:Index]] and also the name of the "Disputatio" (discussion) pages. Please let me know if you agree with this proposal or not, so we can demonstrate consensus for the change to be made. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 06:50, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :cc @[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]]@[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] @[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 11:12, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::I consent to the proposal, though I am not sure about the translation 'Portus'. I think that 'Aditus' would better suit this usecase, since from portals users will be able to 'adire' the relevant pages. P.S. Out of curiosity I have checked the dictionary of A. Perugini, and he translates 'portale' as 'porta principalis. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:31, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Ok, sure (regardless, the Vicifons namespace could be used meanwhile to do some testing for the content). Cheers, [[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:VIGNERON|disputatio]]) 12:25, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::Ok (even if I'm a inactive admin... :-( ) [[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Alex brollo|disputatio]]) 12:55, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::I totatlly agree! - [[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:OrbiliusMagister|disputatio]]) 13:28, 19 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::@[[Usor:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] @[[Usor:OrbiliusMagister|OrbiliusMagister]] @[[Usor:Alex brollo|Alex brollo]] By the way, it would be nice if you could [[Vicifons:Scriptorium#Formula:Littera s longa: on or off by default|check this out]]! [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 20:53, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Wikiversity was originally intended for educational purposes. But a portal can be created here too. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 11:00, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :@[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I think it would be best to take inspiration from [[:w:la]], at least for the vocabulary. This would: :* provide a vocabulary and structure people may be well acquainted with already :* facilitate our work, not having to find the proper terms for ourselves :* have some sort of continuity between Latin projects :I had started doing this for documentation templates, as they where copied as is from [[:en:Wikisource]]. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 20:50, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::Sure, what do you mean in practice? Does W:la have a phrase for Portal? [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 21:29, 20 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::I must say I don't really understand what you precisely intend to put on these pages and why they could not be of the Vicifons namespace. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 00:35, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::It's probably done on En:ws so that search works across portals and mainspace pages but not advice pages; or that search in advice pages does not include results from mainspace. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 09:37, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::Here are some ideas for core pages, following nomenclature used by [[:w:la]] and [[:en:Wikisource]] (names are not definite): :::::* [[Vicifons:De stilo]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Style guide]]) including: titles and their capitalization, use of Roman/Arabic numerals, use of classifiers before numbers (liber, carmen, etc.); regularization of spelling (in non-facsimile pages), anchors, etc. :::::* [[Vicifons:Qualitas paginarum]] :::::* [[Vicifons:De categoriis]] :::::* [[Vicifons:De fontibus]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Sources]]) about how and where, or how not and where not, to find good sources, the fact that most pages don't have sources or are copied from bad sources, e.g., The Latin Library, how to recify this, etc. :::::And help pages: :::::* [[Auxilium:De digitizationem textorum imaginumque ad usum Vicifontis]] ([[:en:Wikisource:Help:Digitising texts and images for Wikisource]]) :::::* etc. :::::I'd be happy to batch something for [[Vicifons:De stilo]], as I think it is really needed. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 13:01, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::I agree, a style guide is badly needed. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:20, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::::@[[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] @[[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] I have sketched something up in my [[Usor:Saumache/Pagina cerata|sandbox]], rules are based on common practices of this wiki and personal preferences, please add rules, comments, sections, etc. without removing anything for the moment: we may discuss any of it on a dedicated discussion page. If my process isn't right and you think or know we sould do this some other way, please tell me. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 16:06, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Quae hucusque scripsisti, mihi bona videntur. Just a minor thing: the slash at the end of the link should not be included: it should be <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I]]</nowiki></code> and not <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>. The rules 'de titulis paginarum' will be particularly useful for the classical works on Wikisource, since they are a mess in this regard. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:25, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::This mostly looks good to me, although I would emphasise keeping to the orthography, numbering style, of the original texts. We are a source project after all. Variance across transcriptions is fine, but changing the source style to a project style should be kept to the minimum. All that said, in my view it's also OK to allow variances per transcription project, not least as they can be copied and re-done as people wish. ::::::::I very much agree about encouraging people to use good sources, and preferably to link them via a transcription process so they can be verified. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:11, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::::::I meant a stricter/standard orthography only for non-facsimile classical works whose original layout, orthography, etc. we don't know or poorly know, or would anyway not imitate (else we want it like this: ARMA⸱VIRVM⸱QVE⸱CANO). I think it would therefore be better to be more loosely dependent on our source editions and have a more unifying approach regarding these texts, nothwistanding the fact that a lot of these are bad copypastes of already very bad digitization from The Latin Library, and that these texts would take decades to be made into facsimile, accounting for how few we are. See for example [[Aeneis]], where people added macrons, using u's instead of v's makes searches more tedious, having letters be upper case at the start of sentences and verses as a norm would also be nice, appearance of poems, etc.; we should be able to do this if we want to, but according to rules which would be stated somewhere. I'd still understand if you are strictly against this. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 21:23, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::::That all makes sense, altho I'd add we should encourage that non-linked texts be replaced with linked texts. If that was done, then versions with macrons, or other variations, could be hosted elsewhere, eg Wikibooks. In general, it seems to me that a copypasted text doesn't really meet the criteria for a Wikisource text, as it's not easily corrected, verified or even stable, given people can decide to change it according to their own tastes, whether stylistic or in terms of the editorial choices for works that ultimately depend on interpretation of competing medieval manuscripts. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 21:57, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Even if I proofread a book myself, doing it offline is 10 times faster and easier than using Vicifons built-in system. There have been reports of bots that can then organize the proofread text by page, but I've never seen one. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 10:26, 23 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::To give an example, do you think I took too much liberty at [[Ab urbe condita/Liber II]], the text has been taken from Perseus, I standardized the quotation marks, added years in the margin, the time within which the events of the book took place, an index, standardized letter case, added anchors numbered "1", all this for book 1 up to 22. I would go even further and add wikilinks for proper names if I had the time, do you think it is taking too much liberty or that it definitely does not have its place on Wikisource? I see other Wikisource projects doing it. This is what I had mind for classical non-facsimilie pages anyway. [[Usor:Saumache|Saumache]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Saumache|disputatio]]) 11:03, 23 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::::I suppose the ligatures bit is potentially controversial. I've built a system for my own transcriptions to toggle many scribal conventions on and off, eg & for early modern books; see ''[[De Principe]]'' for example. Some of these would be considered ligatures. My rationale is that it allows for preservation of the original orthography and presentation of a more modern version for everyday use. As for search, tho, doing this for some characters eg q; will cause a cost to some searching. But ae / oe are usually or often not a problem. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 20:20, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::On Vicipaedia portals are simply combined [[:w:la:Categoria:Portae|into a category]]; it is not necessary to ask the Phabricator. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 08:19, 21 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::<small>The link you have sent is actually a category of pages about city gates (lat. ''portae''). Though,</small> It is true that we can still write portal pages without a dedicated namespace, and just group them with templates and categories. For example on German wikisource there is no author namespace, they just have an [[:de:Kategorie:Autoren|'author' category]]. It is an idea that is worth considering. [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 16:38, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :::::We [[:w:la:Categoria:Portae Vicipaedianae|renamed it]] yesterday. [[Usor:Demetrius Talpa|Demetrius Talpa]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Demetrius Talpa|disputatio]]) 16:57, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) ::::::Optime! [[Usor:SZC 03|SZC 03]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:SZC 03|disputatio]]) 07:57, 23 Augusti 2026 (UTC) sxqgnb4eai7httxaulu2s488es12z6w 0 2030 277038 145593 2026-08-22T23:08:12Z SZC 03 22335 277038 wikitext text/x-wiki {{titulus2 |Scriptor= Aesopus |OperaeTitulus= Fabulae |OperaeWikiPagina= Fabulae (Aesopus) |Annus= Saeculo VI a.Ch.n. |Interpres= Anonymus Neveleti |LinguaNativa= graecus |AnnusInterpretationis= c. 1175 |Genera=Fabulae |Fons=[https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k70109s gallica.bnf.fr] |Editio=''Esopi moralitas, de greco in latinum traducta,'' anonyme de Névelet, 1475 }} <div class=text> '''INDEX''' *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/Incipit Esopus|Incipit Esopus]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/1. De gallo et iaspide|1. De gallo et iaspide]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/2. De lupo et agno|2. De lupo et agno]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/3. De mure et rana|3. De mure et rana]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/4. De cane et oue|4. De cane et oue]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/5. De cane carnem ferente|5. De cane carnem ferente ]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/6. De oue et capra et iuuenca et leone|6. De oue et capra et iuuenca et leone]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/7. De fure uxorem ducente|7. De fure uxorem ducente]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/8. De lupo et grue|8. De lupo et grue]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/9. De duabus canibus|9. De duabus canibus]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/10. De rustico et colubro|10. De rustico et colubro]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/11. De asino et apro|11. De asino et apro]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/12. De mure urbano et rustico|12. De mure urbano et rustico]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/13. De uulpe et aquila|13. De uulpe et aquila]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/14. De aquila et testudine|14. De aquila et testudine]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/15. De uulpe et coruo|15. De uulpe et coruo]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/16. De leone et apro et tauro et asello|16. De leone et apro et tauro et asello]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/17. De asino et catulo et domino|17. De asino et catulo et domino]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/18. De leone et mure|18. De leone et mure]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/19. De miluo egrotante|19. De miluo egrotante]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/20. De hyrundine aues monente|20. De hyrundine aues monente]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/21a. Qualiter Attici elegerunt sibi regem|21a. Qualiter Attici elegerunt sibi regem]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/21b. De ranis a Ioue querentibus regem|21b. De ranis a Ioue querentibus regem]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/22. De accipitre et columbis|22. De accipitre et columbis]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/23. De fure et cane|23. De fure et cane]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/24. De lupo et sue|24. De lupo et sue]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/25. De terra parturiente murem|25. De terra parturiente murem]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/26. De agno et lupo|26. De agno et lupo]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/27. De cane uetulo|27. De cane uetulo]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/28. De leporibus et ranis|28. De leporibus et ranis]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/29. De lupo et edo|29. De lupo et edo]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/30. De rustico et angue|30. De rustico et angue]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/31. De ceruo et oue et lupo|31. De ceruo et oue et lupo]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/32. De caluo et musca|32. De caluo et musca]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/33. De uulpe et ciconia|33. De uulpe et ciconia]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/34. De lupo et capite|34. De lupo et capite]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/35. De graculo et pauone|35. De graculo et pauone]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/36. De mula et musca|36. De mula et musca]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/37. De musca et formica|37. De musca et formica]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/38. De lupo et uulpe|38. De lupo et uulpe]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/39. De rustico et mustela|39. De rustico et mustela]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/40. De rana et boue|40. De rana et boue]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/41. De pastore et leone|41. De pastore et leone]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/42. De leone et equo|42. De leone et equo]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/43. De equo et asino|43. De equo et asino]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/44. De quadrupedibus et auibus|44. De quadrupedibus et auibus]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/45. De filomena et accipitre|45. De filomena et accipitre]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/46. De lupo et uulpe|46. De lupo et uulpe]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/47. De ceruo tibiis, et cornibus|47. De ceruo tibiis, et cornibus]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/48. De uiro et uxore|48. De uiro et uxore]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/49. De iuuene et Thayde|49. De iuuene et Thayde]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/50. De patre et filio|50. De patre et filio]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/51. De uipera et de lima|51. De uipera et de lima]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/52. De lupis et ouibus|52. De lupis et ouibus]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/53. De uiro et securi|53. De uiro et securi]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/54. De cane et lupo|54. De cane et lupo]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/55. De uentre et membris|55. De uentre et membris]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/56. De simia et uulpe|56. De simia et uulpe]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/57. De institore et asino|57. De institore et asino]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/58. De ceruo|58. De ceruo]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/59. De iudeo et pincerna|59. De iudeo et pincerna]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/60. De ciue et equite|60. De ciue et equite]] ---- =====Vide etiam===== *[[Fabulae]] ''(pagina discretiva)'' *[[Fabulae (Avianus)]] ([[Scriptor:Flavius Avianus|Flavius Avianus]]) *[[Genealogiarum liber - Fabulae]] ([[Scriptor:Hyginus Mythographus|Hyginus Mythographus]]) *[[Fabulae (Phaedrus)]] ([[Scriptor:Phaedrus|Phaedrus]]) </div>{{finis}} {{textquality|50%}} n9t34ms9hq61ryn84he1rjngsqyv89s 277039 277038 2026-08-22T23:12:55Z SZC 03 22335 277039 wikitext text/x-wiki {{titulus2 |Scriptor= Aesopus |OperaeTitulus= Fabulae |OperaeWikiPagina= Fabulae (Aesopus) |Annus= Saeculo VI a.Ch.n. |Interpres= Anonymus Neveleti |LinguaNativa= graecus |AnnusInterpretationis= c. 1175 |Genera=Fabulae |Fons=[https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k70109s gallica.bnf.fr] |Editio=''Esopi moralitas, de greco in latinum traducta,'' Romae, per Vuendellinum de Vinla, 1475 }} <div class=text> '''INDEX''' *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/Incipit Esopus|Incipit Esopus]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/1. De gallo et iaspide|1. De gallo et iaspide]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/2. De lupo et agno|2. De lupo et agno]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/3. De mure et rana|3. De mure et rana]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/4. De cane et oue|4. De cane et oue]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/5. De cane carnem ferente|5. De cane carnem ferente ]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/6. De oue et capra et iuuenca et leone|6. De oue et capra et iuuenca et leone]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/7. De fure uxorem ducente|7. De fure uxorem ducente]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/8. De lupo et grue|8. De lupo et grue]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/9. De duabus canibus|9. De duabus canibus]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/10. De rustico et colubro|10. De rustico et colubro]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/11. De asino et apro|11. De asino et apro]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/12. De mure urbano et rustico|12. De mure urbano et rustico]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/13. De uulpe et aquila|13. De uulpe et aquila]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/14. De aquila et testudine|14. De aquila et testudine]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/15. De uulpe et coruo|15. De uulpe et coruo]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/16. De leone et apro et tauro et asello|16. De leone et apro et tauro et asello]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/17. De asino et catulo et domino|17. De asino et catulo et domino]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/18. De leone et mure|18. De leone et mure]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/19. De miluo egrotante|19. De miluo egrotante]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/20. De hyrundine aues monente|20. De hyrundine aues monente]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/21a. Qualiter Attici elegerunt sibi regem|21a. Qualiter Attici elegerunt sibi regem]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/21b. De ranis a Ioue querentibus regem|21b. De ranis a Ioue querentibus regem]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/22. De accipitre et columbis|22. De accipitre et columbis]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/23. De fure et cane|23. De fure et cane]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/24. De lupo et sue|24. De lupo et sue]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/25. De terra parturiente murem|25. De terra parturiente murem]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/26. De agno et lupo|26. De agno et lupo]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/27. De cane uetulo|27. De cane uetulo]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/28. De leporibus et ranis|28. De leporibus et ranis]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/29. De lupo et edo|29. De lupo et edo]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/30. De rustico et angue|30. De rustico et angue]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/31. De ceruo et oue et lupo|31. De ceruo et oue et lupo]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/32. De caluo et musca|32. De caluo et musca]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/33. De uulpe et ciconia|33. De uulpe et ciconia]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/34. De lupo et capite|34. De lupo et capite]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/35. De graculo et pauone|35. De graculo et pauone]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/36. De mula et musca|36. De mula et musca]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/37. De musca et formica|37. De musca et formica]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/38. De lupo et uulpe|38. De lupo et uulpe]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/39. De rustico et mustela|39. De rustico et mustela]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/40. De rana et boue|40. De rana et boue]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/41. De pastore et leone|41. De pastore et leone]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/42. De leone et equo|42. De leone et equo]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/43. De equo et asino|43. De equo et asino]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/44. De quadrupedibus et auibus|44. De quadrupedibus et auibus]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/45. De filomena et accipitre|45. De filomena et accipitre]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/46. De lupo et uulpe|46. De lupo et uulpe]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/47. De ceruo tibiis, et cornibus|47. De ceruo tibiis, et cornibus]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/48. De uiro et uxore|48. De uiro et uxore]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/49. De iuuene et Thayde|49. De iuuene et Thayde]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/50. De patre et filio|50. De patre et filio]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/51. De uipera et de lima|51. De uipera et de lima]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/52. De lupis et ouibus|52. De lupis et ouibus]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/53. De uiro et securi|53. De uiro et securi]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/54. De cane et lupo|54. De cane et lupo]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/55. De uentre et membris|55. De uentre et membris]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/56. De simia et uulpe|56. De simia et uulpe]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/57. De institore et asino|57. De institore et asino]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/58. De ceruo|58. De ceruo]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/59. De iudeo et pincerna|59. De iudeo et pincerna]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/60. De ciue et equite|60. De ciue et equite]] ---- =====Vide etiam===== *[[Fabulae]] ''(pagina discretiva)'' *[[Fabulae (Avianus)]] ([[Scriptor:Flavius Avianus|Flavius Avianus]]) *[[Genealogiarum liber - Fabulae]] ([[Scriptor:Hyginus Mythographus|Hyginus Mythographus]]) *[[Fabulae (Phaedrus)]] ([[Scriptor:Phaedrus|Phaedrus]]) </div>{{finis}} {{textquality|50%}} rzzarzw1x2h578yo7ziwgf062ywvsjk 277040 277039 2026-08-22T23:13:46Z SZC 03 22335 277040 wikitext text/x-wiki {{titulus2 |Scriptor= Aesopus |OperaeTitulus= Fabulae |OperaeWikiPagina= Fabulae (Aesopus) |Annus= Saeculo VI a.Ch.n. |Interpres= Anonymus Neveleti |LinguaNativa= graecus |AnnusInterpretationis= c. 1175 |Genera=Fabulae |Fons=[https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k70109s gallica.bnf.fr] |Editio=''Esopi moralitas, de greco in latinum traducta,'' Romae, per Wendellinum de Wila, 1475 }} <div class=text> '''INDEX''' *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/Incipit Esopus|Incipit Esopus]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/1. De gallo et iaspide|1. De gallo et iaspide]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/2. De lupo et agno|2. De lupo et agno]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/3. De mure et rana|3. De mure et rana]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/4. De cane et oue|4. De cane et oue]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/5. De cane carnem ferente|5. De cane carnem ferente ]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/6. De oue et capra et iuuenca et leone|6. De oue et capra et iuuenca et leone]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/7. De fure uxorem ducente|7. De fure uxorem ducente]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/8. De lupo et grue|8. De lupo et grue]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/9. De duabus canibus|9. De duabus canibus]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/10. De rustico et colubro|10. De rustico et colubro]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/11. De asino et apro|11. De asino et apro]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/12. De mure urbano et rustico|12. De mure urbano et rustico]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/13. De uulpe et aquila|13. De uulpe et aquila]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/14. De aquila et testudine|14. De aquila et testudine]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/15. De uulpe et coruo|15. De uulpe et coruo]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/16. De leone et apro et tauro et asello|16. De leone et apro et tauro et asello]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/17. De asino et catulo et domino|17. De asino et catulo et domino]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/18. De leone et mure|18. De leone et mure]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/19. De miluo egrotante|19. De miluo egrotante]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/20. De hyrundine aues monente|20. De hyrundine aues monente]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/21a. Qualiter Attici elegerunt sibi regem|21a. Qualiter Attici elegerunt sibi regem]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/21b. De ranis a Ioue querentibus regem|21b. De ranis a Ioue querentibus regem]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/22. De accipitre et columbis|22. De accipitre et columbis]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/23. De fure et cane|23. De fure et cane]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/24. De lupo et sue|24. De lupo et sue]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/25. De terra parturiente murem|25. De terra parturiente murem]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/26. De agno et lupo|26. De agno et lupo]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/27. De cane uetulo|27. De cane uetulo]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/28. De leporibus et ranis|28. De leporibus et ranis]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/29. De lupo et edo|29. De lupo et edo]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/30. De rustico et angue|30. De rustico et angue]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/31. De ceruo et oue et lupo|31. De ceruo et oue et lupo]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/32. De caluo et musca|32. De caluo et musca]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/33. De uulpe et ciconia|33. De uulpe et ciconia]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/34. De lupo et capite|34. De lupo et capite]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/35. De graculo et pauone|35. De graculo et pauone]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/36. De mula et musca|36. De mula et musca]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/37. De musca et formica|37. De musca et formica]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/38. De lupo et uulpe|38. De lupo et uulpe]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/39. De rustico et mustela|39. De rustico et mustela]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/40. De rana et boue|40. De rana et boue]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/41. De pastore et leone|41. De pastore et leone]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/42. De leone et equo|42. De leone et equo]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/43. De equo et asino|43. De equo et asino]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/44. De quadrupedibus et auibus|44. De quadrupedibus et auibus]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/45. De filomena et accipitre|45. De filomena et accipitre]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/46. De lupo et uulpe|46. De lupo et uulpe]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/47. De ceruo tibiis, et cornibus|47. De ceruo tibiis, et cornibus]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/48. De uiro et uxore|48. De uiro et uxore]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/49. De iuuene et Thayde|49. De iuuene et Thayde]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/50. De patre et filio|50. De patre et filio]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/51. De uipera et de lima|51. De uipera et de lima]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/52. De lupis et ouibus|52. De lupis et ouibus]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/53. De uiro et securi|53. De uiro et securi]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/54. De cane et lupo|54. De cane et lupo]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/55. De uentre et membris|55. De uentre et membris]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/56. De simia et uulpe|56. De simia et uulpe]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/57. De institore et asino|57. De institore et asino]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/58. De ceruo|58. De ceruo]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/59. De iudeo et pincerna|59. De iudeo et pincerna]] *[[Fabulae (Aesopus)/60. De ciue et equite|60. De ciue et equite]] ---- =====Vide etiam===== *[[Fabulae]] ''(pagina discretiva)'' *[[Fabulae (Avianus)]] ([[Scriptor:Flavius Avianus|Flavius Avianus]]) *[[Genealogiarum liber - Fabulae]] ([[Scriptor:Hyginus Mythographus|Hyginus Mythographus]]) *[[Fabulae (Phaedrus)]] ([[Scriptor:Phaedrus|Phaedrus]]) </div>{{finis}} {{textquality|50%}} p4b0g6b6fervfjarxm15c3iytc4k317 0 3779 277058 266503 2026-08-23T08:20:39Z SZC 03 22335 SZC 03 movit paginam [[Odusia]] ad [[Odusia (ed. Warmington)]] 266503 wikitext text/x-wiki {{titulus2 |Scriptor= Lucius Livius Andronicus |OperaeTitulus= Odusia |OperaeWikiPagina= Odusia |Annus= Saeculo III a.Ch.n. |SubTitulus= Fragmenta |Genera=carmina epica |Editio=E.H. Warmington, Remains of Old Latin Vol II., London 1926 }}__NOTOC__ <div class=text> <br /> == Liber I == <br /> Virum mihi, Camena, insece versutum<br /> ''(Od. 1, 1)''<br /> <br /> Pater noster, Saturni filie,<br /> ''(Od 1, 45)''<br /> <br /> Mea puera, quid verbi ex tuo ore supra fugit?<ref>[[Institutiones grammaticae/Liber VI#41|Institutiones grammaticae 6.41]]</ref><br /> ''(Od. 1, 64)''<br /> <br /> Neque enim te oblitus sum Laertie noster,<br /> ''(Od. 1, 65)''<br /> <br /> argenteo polybro, aureo eglutro<br /> ''(Od. 1, 136-7)''<br /> <br /> tuque mihi narrato omnia disertim;<br /> ''(Od. 1, 169)''<br /> <br /> Quae haec daps est? Qui festus dies?<br /> ''(Od. 1, 225-6)''<br /> <br /> ... matrem procitum plurimi venerunt,<br /> ''(Od. 1, 248)''<br /> <br /> == Liber II == <br /> quando dies adveniet quem profata Morta est.<br /> ''(Od. 2, 99-100)''<br /> <br /> <nowiki>[aut]</nowiki> in Pylum deveniens aut ibi ommentans<br /> ''(Od. 2, 317)''<br /> <br /> tumque remos iussit religare struppis.<br /> ''(Od. 2, 422)''<br /> <br /> == Liber III == <br /> ibidemque vir summus adprimus Patroclus,<br /> ''(Od. 3, 110)''<br /> <br /> == Liber IV == <br /> atque escas habeamus mentionem,<br /> ''(Od. 4, 213)''<br /> <br /> partim errant, nequinont Graeciam redire;<br /> ''(Od. 4, 495)''<br /> <br /> sancta puer Saturni... regina<br /> ''(Od. 4, 513)''<br /> <br /> apud nimpham Atlantis filiam Calipsonem,<br /> ''(Od. 4, 557)''<br /> <br /> == Liber V == <br /> Igitur demum Ulixi cor frixit prae pavore.<br /> ''(Od. 5, 297)''<br /> <br /> == Liber VI == <br /> utrum genua amploctens virginem oraret,<br /> ''(Od. 6, 141-2)''<br /> <br /> Ibi manens sedeto donicum videbis me carpento vehentem en domum venisse<br /> ''(Od. 6, 295-6)''<br /> <br /> == Liber VIII == <br /> simul ac dacrimas de ore noegeo detersit,<br /> ''(Od. 8, 88)''<br /> <br /> namque nullum peius macerat humanum quamde mare saevum; vires cui sunt magnae topper confringent importunae undae.<br /> ''(Od. 8, 138-9)''<br /> <br /> <nowiki>[Venit]</nowiki> Mercurius cumque eo filius Latonas.<br /> ''(Od. 8, 322-3)''<br /> <br /> Nexebant multa inter se flexu nodorum dubio;<br /> ''(Od. 8, 378)''<br /> <br /> nam divina Monetas filia docuit<br /> ''(Od. 8, 480-1)''<br /> <br /> == Liber X == <br /> Inferus an superus tibi fert deus funera, Ulixes?<br /> ''(Od. 10, 64)''<br /> <br /> Topper facit homones ut prius fuerunt,<br /> ''(Od. 10, 395)''<br /> <br /> == Liber XII == <br /> Topper citi ad aedis venimus Circai; simul duona carnem portant ad navis, multam ancillae; vina isdem inserinuntur.<br /> ''(Od. 12, 16-19)''<br /> <br /> parcentes praemodum<br /> ''(Od. 12, 321)''<br /> <br /> == Liber XIII == <br /> sic quoque fitum est<br /> ''(Od. 13, 40)''<br /> <br /> == Liber XVI == <br /> quoniam audivi, paucis gavisi;<br /> ''(Od. 16, 92)''<br /> <br /> == Liber XIX == <br /> vestis pulla porpurea ampla<br /> ''(Od. 19, 225)''<br /> <br /> == Liber XX == <br /> cum socios nostros Ciclops impius mandisset,<br /> ''(Od. 20, 19)''<br /> <br /> == Liber XXI == <br /> inque manum suremit hastam<br /> ''(Od. 21, 433)''<br /> <br /> == Liber XXII == <br /> at celer hasta volans perrumpit pectora ferro;<br /> ''(Od. 22, 91-3)''<br /> <br /> == Liber XXIII == <br /> carnis vinumque quod libabant anclabatur;<br /> ''(Od. 23, 304-5)''<br /> <br /> == Liber XXIV == <br /> deque manibus dextrabus<br /> ''(Od. 24, 534)''<br /> <br /> </div> {{finis}} {{textquality|75%}} lagbgg7paziebx6trth1dczdmz8iznt 1 3780 277060 84346 2026-08-23T08:20:39Z SZC 03 22335 SZC 03 movit paginam [[Disputatio:Odusia]] ad [[Disputatio:Odusia (ed. 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diversam autem mentem habent. <br/> Nam haec quidem bellumque malum et discordiam fovet, <br/> noxia: nemo hanc sane amat mortalis, sed necessario <br/> immortalium consiliis Contentionem colunt molestam. <br/> Alteram vero priorem quidem genuit nox obscura, <br/> posuit vero eam Saturnius altithronus, in-aethere<!--sic--> habitans, <br/> terraeque in radicibus et ''inter'' homines, longe meliorem. <br/> Haec quamvis inertem tamen ad opus excitat. <br/> In alium enim quispiam intuens opere vacans <br/> divitem, ipse festinat quidem arare atque plantare, <br/> domumque bene instituere: aemulatur enim vicinum vicinus,<br/> ad divitias contendentem: bona autem Contentio haec homi- <br/> nibus.]<!--sic--> Et figulus figulo succenset et fabro faber, <br/> et mendicus mendico invidet et cantor cantori. O Persa, tu vero haec tuo repone-in<!--sic--> animo: <br/> neve tibi Contentio malis-gaudens<!--sic--> ab opere animum abdu- <br/> cat,]<!--sic--> lites spectanti fori auditori (exsistenti). <br/> Tempus enim raro litiumque est forique, <br/> cuicumque non victus domi in-annum<!--sic--> repositus-est,<!--sic--><br/> tempestivus, quem terra fert, Cereris munus. Hoc satiatus lites acrixam moveas <br/> de facultatibus alienis: tibi vero non-amplias<!--sic--> secunda-vicé<!--sic--> <br> licebit]<!--sic--> sic facere: sed extemplo dirimamus litem <br/> rectis judiciis, quae ex Jove sunt optima. <br/> Nam jam quidem patrimonium divisimus, aliaque multa <br/> rapiens auferebas, valde adulans reges <br/> donivoros, qui hoc jus volunt judicasse. Stulti, neque sciunt quanto plus dimidium ''sit'' toto, <br/> neque quam in malvaque et asphodelo magna utilitas. Absconditum enim habent Dii victum hominibus. <br/> Facile enim vel uno die acquisivisses, <br/> ut tu in annum haberes, etiam otiosus (exsistens): <br/> statim gubernaculum quidem super fumo poneres, <br/> opera boum vero cessarent et mulorum laboris-patientium.<!--sic--> <br/> Sed Jupiter abscondit iratus animo suo, <br/> quod ipsum decepit Prometheus versutus.<br/> Idcirco igitur hominibus machinatus-est<!--sic--> molestias trisies.<!--or tristes--> Abscondit vero ignem: hunc quidem rursus egregius filius <br/> Japeti]<!--sic--> furatus-est<!--sic--> hominibus-''dandum''<!--sic--> Jove a prudenti <br/> in cava ferula , fallens Jovem fulmine-gaudentem.<!--sic--> <br/> Hunc autem indignatus affatus-est<!--sic--> nubicogus Jupiter: Japetionide, prae omnibus consilia sciens, <br/> gaudes ignem furatus et meam mentem quod-deceperis, <br/> tibique ipsi magnum exitium et posteris. <br/> Ipsis vero pro igne dabo malum, quo omnes <br/> Oblectentur (in) animo, suum malum amore-amplectentes.<!--sic--> Sic ait: risitque pater hominumque Deorumque. <br/> Vulcanum vero jussit inclytum quam celerrime <br/> terram aqua miscere, et hominis indere vocem <br/> et robur, immortalibus vero Deabus facie assimilare <br/> virginis pulcram speciem, peramabilem: at Minervam <br/> opera docere, artificiose telam texere: <br/> et gratiam circumfundere capiti auream Venerem, <br/> et desiderium grave, et membra-rodentes<!--sic--> curas: <br/> indere vero impudentem mentem et fallaces mores <br/> Mercurium jussit nuntium Argicidam. Sic dixit: illi autem obtemperarunt Jovi Saturnio regi. <br/> Statim vero ex terra finxit inclytus Vulcanus <br/> virgini verecundae similem, Saturnii ex consiliis: <br/> cinxit vero et ornavit Dea splendidis-oculis<!--sic--> Minerva: <br/> circum autem (huic) Charitesque Deae et veneranda Suada <br/> monilia aurea posuerunt corpori: circumque eam <br/> Horae pulcricomae coronarunt floribus vernis: <br/> [omnem vero ejus corpori ornatum adaptavit Pallas Minerva.] <br/> At ipsi in pectore nuntius Argicida <br/> mendaciaque blandosque sermones et dolosos mores <br/> condidit Jovis consilio graviter-tonantis<!--sic-->; ac nomen <br/> imposuit Deorum praeco; appellavit autem hanc mulierem <br/> Pandoram, quia omnes Olympias domos habentes <br/> donum donarunt, detrimentum hominibus inventoribus. At postquam dolum perniciosum inevitabilem absolvit, <br/> ad Epimetheum misit pater inclytum Argicidam <br/> munus ferentem, Deorum celerem nuntium: neque Epime- <br/> theus]<!--sic--> cogitavit, quod ipsi dixisset Prometheus, ne quando <br/> munus]<!--sic--> acciperet a Jove Olympio, sed remitteret <br/> retro, ne forte quidquam mali mortalibus eveniret. <br/> Verum ille recepto-''eo''<!--sic-->, cum jam malum haberet, sensit. Prius enim quidem vivebant in terra genera hominum <br/> procul absque malis et sine difficili labore, <br/> morbisque molestis, qui hominibus mortem dederunt. <br/> [Mox enim in miseria mortales consenescunt.] <br/> Sed mulier manibus amphorae magnum operculum cum-di-<!--sic--> <br/> movisset,] dispersit; hominibus autem paravit curas tristes. <br/> Sola vero illic Spes in illaeso domicilio <br/> intus mansit dolii sub labris, neque foras <br/> evolavit: prius enim injecit operculum dolii, <br/> aegida-tenentis<!--sic--> consiliis Jovis nubes-cogentis.<!--sic--> <br/> Alia vero innumera mala inter homines vagantur. <br/> Plena enim quidem terra ''est'' malis, plenum vero mare: <br/> morbi autem hominibus interdiu atque noctu<br/> Idcirco igitur hominibus machinatus-est<!--sic--> molestias trisies.<!--or tristes--> Abscondit vero ignem: hunc quidem rursus egregius filius <br/> Japeti]<!--sic--> furatus-est<!--sic--> hominibus-''dandum''<!--sic--> Jove a prudenti <br/> in cava ferula , fallens Jovem fulmine-gaudentem.<!--sic--> <br/> Hunc autem indignatus affatus-est<!--sic--> nubicogus Jupiter: Japetionide, prae omnibus consilia sciens, <br/> gaudes ignem furatus et meam mentem quod-deceperis, <br/> tibique ipsi magnum exitium et posteris. <br/> Ipsis vero pro igne dabo malum, quo omnes <br/> Oblectentur (in) animo, suum malum amore-amplectentes.<!--sic--> Sic ait: risitque pater hominumque Deorumque. <br/> Vulcanum vero jussit inclytum quam celerrime <br/> terram aqua miscere, et hominis indere vocem <br/> et robur, immortalibus vero Deabus facie assimilare <br/> virginis pulcram speciem, peramabilem: at Minervam <br/> opera docere, artificiose telam texere: <br/> et gratiam circumfundere capiti auream Venerem, <br/> et desiderium grave, et membra-rodentes<!--sic--> curas: <br/> indere vero impudentem mentem et fallaces mores <br/> Mercurium jussit nuntium Argicidam. Sic dixit: illi autem obtemperarunt Jovi Saturnio regi. <br/> Statim vero ex terra finxit inclytus Vulcanus <br/> virgini verecundae similem, Saturnii ex consiliis: <br/> cinxit vero et ornavit Dea splendidis-oculis<!--sic--> Minerva: <br/> circum autem (huic) Charitesque Deae et veneranda Suada <br/> monilia aurea posuerunt corpori: circumque eam <br/> Horae pulcricomae coronarunt floribus vernis: <br/> [omnem vero ejus corpori ornatum adaptavit Pallas Minerva.] <br/> At ipsi in pectore nuntius Argicida <br/> mendaciaque blandosque sermones et dolosos mores <br/> condidit Jovis consilio graviter-tonantis<!--sic-->; ac nomen <br/> imposuit Deorum praeco; appellavit autem hanc mulierem <br/> Pandoram, quia omnes Olympias domos habentes <br/> donum donarunt, detrimentum hominibus inventoribus. At postquam dolum perniciosum inevitabilem absolvit, <br/> ad Epimetheum misit pater inclytum Argicidam <br/> munus ferentem, Deorum celerem nuntium: neque Epime- <br/> theus]<!--sic--> cogitavit, quod ipsi dixisset Prometheus, ne quando <br/> munus]<!--sic--> acciperet a Jove Olympio, sed remitteret <br/> retro, ne forte quidquam mali mortalibus eveniret. <br/> Verum ille recepto-''eo''<!--sic-->, cum jam malum haberet, sensit. Prius enim quidem vivebant in terra genera hominum <br/> procul absque malis et sine difficili labore, <br/> morbisque molestis, qui hominibus mortem dederunt. <br/> [Mox enim in miseria mortales consenescunt.] <br/> Sed mulier manibus amphorae magnum operculum cum-di-<!--sic--> <br/> movisset,] dispersit; hominibus autem paravit curas tristes. <br/> Sola vero illic Spes in illaeso domicilio <br/> intus mansit dolii sub labris, neque foras <br/> evolavit: prius enim injecit operculum dolii, <br/> aegida-tenentis<!--sic--> consiliis Jovis nubes-cogentis.<!--sic--> <br/> Alia vero innumera mala inter homines vagantur. <br/> Plena enim quidem terra ''est'' malis, plenum vero mare: <br/> morbi autem hominibus interdiu atque noctu<br/> Sed postquam et hoc genus terra operuit, <br/> rursum etiam aliud quartum super terram multorum-altricem<!--sic--> <br/> Jupiter Saturius fecit, justius et melius, <br/> virorum heroum divinum genus, qui vocantur <br/> semidei priore aetate per immensam terram. <br/> Et hos quidem bellumque malum et pugna gravis, <br/> alios quidem ad septiportes Thebas, Cadmea ''in'' terra, <br/> perdidit pugnantes propter oves Oedipodae; <br/> alios vero etiam in navibus trans magnam latitudinem maris <br/> ad Trojam ducens Helenae gratia pulcricomae.<br/> Ibi sane eos quidem mortis exitium occultavit: <br/> iis autem seorsum ab-hominibus<!--sic--> vitam et sedem tribuens <br/> Jupiter Saturnius constituit pater ad fines terrae <br/> procul ab immortalibus: horum Saturnus rex est <br/> Et ii quidem habitant securum animum habentes <br/> in beatorom insulis juxta Oceanom vorticosum, <br/> felices heroes, quibus mellitum fructum <br/> ter quotannis florentem fert fecundus ager. Utinam non jam debuissem ego quintis interesse <br/> hominibus, sed aut prius mori, aut postea nasci! <br/> Nunc enim jam genus est ferreum: neque unquam interdiu <br/> cessabunt a-labore<!--sic--> et miseria, neque noctu,<br/> corrupti: graves vero Dii dabont curas. <br/> Sed tamen et hisce admiscebuntur bona malis. <br/> Jupiter autem perdet etiam hoc genus loquentium hominum, <br/> postquam nati cani-circum-tempora facti-fuerint.<!--sic--> <br/> Neque pater liberis concordans, neque liberi ''patri'', <br/> neque hospes hospiti, neque amicus amico, <br/> neque frater carus erit, ut antehac certe. <br/> Celeriter vero senescentes dehonestabunt parentes; <br/> incusabunt autem sane hos molestis alloquentes verbis, <br/> impii, neque Deorum vindictam scientes: neque hi <br/> senibus parentibus educationis-praemia<!--sic--> reddent, <br/> violenti: alter autem alterius civitatem diripiet. <br/> Neque ulla pii gratia erit, neque justi, <br/> neque boni; magis vero maleficum et injurium<br/> virum honorabunt: justitia autem in manibus, et pudor <br/> non erit: laedetque malus meliorem virum, <br/> verbis pravis alloquens, perjorium vero jurabit. <br/> Livor autem homines miseros omnes <br/> maledicus, malis-gaudens<!--sic--> comitabitur inviso-vultu.<!--sic--> Et tum jam ad coelom a terra spatiosa, <br/> candidis vestibus tectae corpus pulcrum, <br/> immortalium ad genus iverunt relictis hominibus <br/> Pietas et Nemesis: at relinquentur dolores graves <br/> mortalibus hominibus; contra-malum<!--sic--> vero non erit defensio. ---- Nunc vero fabulam regibus narrabo, sapientibus quamvis ipsis.<br/> Sic accipiter afflatus-est<!--sic--> lusciniam varii-gutturis,<!--sic--> <br/> admodum alte in nubibus ferens unguibus correptam: <br/> haec vero misere, curvos fixa circum ungues, <br/> lugebat: eam autem ille imperiose sermone allocutus-est:<!--sic--> Infelix, quid strepis? habet sane te multo fortior:<br/> hac ibis, qua te equidem ducam, licet cantatricem (exsisten-<!--sic--> <br/> tem):]<!--sic--> coenam vero, si voluero, faciam, aut dimittam. <br/> Imprudens autem, quicumque voluerit cum potentiortibus <br/> contendere;]<!--sic--> victoriaque privatur, praeterque contumelias <br/> dolores patitur.]<!--sic--> Sic ait velociter-volans<!--sic--> accipiter, latis-alis<!--sic--><br/> avis.]<!--sic--> O Persa, tu vero audi justitiam, neque injuriam fove:<!--sic--> <br/> injuria enim etiam mala misero ''est'' homini; nec quidem dives <br/> facile ferre potest, gravaturque ab ea, <br/> illapsus damnis: via vero aliter perveniendi <br/> melior ad justa: justitia autem injuriam superat <br/> ad finem progressa: passus vero ''damna'' stultus cognovit. Cito enim currit jusjurandum una-cum<!--sic--> injustis judiciis. <br/> At Justitiae tumultus ''est'' tractae, quo viri duxerint <br/> donivori, pravis autem sententiis deciderint jura. <br/> Haec vero sequitur deplorans urbemque et sedes populorum, <br/> aërem<!--sic--> induta, malum hominibus adferens, <br/> qui ipsam expellunt, neque justam ''partem'' distribuunt. Qui vero jura peregrinis et civibus dant <br/> recta, neque quidquam praetergrediuntur justum, <br/> his floret urbs, populique florent in ipsa: <br/> pax vero per terram juvenum-altrix,<!--sic--> neque umquam illis <br/> molestum bellum decernit late-cernens Jupiter, <br/> neque umquam justos inter homines fames versatur, <br/> neque damnum: in-conviviis<!--sic--> autem cura-partis<!--sic--> operibus <br/> fruuntur.]<!--sic--> His quidem fert terra multum victum, in-monti-<!--sic--> <br/> bus vero quercus]<!--sic--> summa quidem fert glandes, media vero <br/> apes:]<!--sic--> lanigerae autem oves velleribus onustae-sunt:<!--sic--> <br/> pariunt vero mulieres similes liberos parentibus: <br/> florent autem bonis perpetuo: neque in navibus <br/> iter-faciunt;<!--sic--> fructum vero fert fecundus ager. Quibus autem injuriaque curae-est<!--sic--> mala pravaque opera, <br/> iis vindictam Saturnius decernit late-cernens<!--sic--> Jupiter. Saepe etiam universa urbs malo viro detrimentum-cepit,<!--sic--> <br/> quicumque peccat et iniqua machinatur.<br/> Illis autem coelitus magnum importavit malum Saturnius, <br/> famem simul et pestem: intereunt vero populi; <br/> neque mulieres pariunt; minuuntur autem familiae, <br/> Jovis consiliis Olympii: interdum vero etiam <br/> aut eorum exercitum ingentem perdidit aut idem murum, <br/> aut naves in ponto Saturnius punit ipsorum. O reges, vos autem considerate etiam ipsi <br/> hanc vindictam: prope enim inter homines versantes <br/> immortales observant, quotquot pravis judiciis <br/> se-mutuo atterunt, Deorum vindictam non curantes. <br/> Ter enim decies-mille<!--sic--> sunt in terra multorum-altrice<!--sic--> <br/> immortales Jovis custodes mortalium hominum: <br/> hi igitur custodiunt et justitiam et prava opera, <br/> aëre<!--sic--> induti, ubique oberrantes per terram. <br/> Illa autem virgo est, Justitia, ''ex'' Jove, procreata <br/> augustaque venerandaque Diis qui Olympum habent. <br/> Et igitur, cum quis eam laedat impie spernens, <br/> statim apud Jovem patrem considens Saturnium, <br/> refert hominum injustam mentem, ut luat <br/> populus peccata regum, qui perniciosa meditantes <br/> alio inflectunt jura prave dicentes. <br/> Haec observantes reges, corrigite sententias, <br/> donivori, pravorum vero judiciorum prorsus obliviscamini. Sibi ipsi mala struit vir alii mala struens, <br/> malumque consilium consulenti pessimum. Omnia videns Jovis oculos et omnia animadvertens <br/> etiam haec, siquidem vult, inspicit: neque eum latet, <br/> quale jam hoc quoque judicium urbs intus exerceat. Nunc jam ego neque ipse inter homines justus <br/> sim, nec meus filius: quoniam malum ''est'' virum justum <br/> esse, siquidem majus jus injustior habebit. <br/> [Sed haec nondum spero perfecturum Jovem fulmine-gauden-<!--sic--> <br/> tem.]<!--sic--> O Persa, tu vero haec in animo repone tuo, <br/> et quidem justitiae obtempera, violentiae autem obliviscere <br/> omnino.]<!--sic--> Hanc enim hominibus legem imposuit Saturnius: <br/> piscibus quidem et feris et avibus volucribus, <br/> ut devorent se-mutuo,<!--sic--> quoniam non justitia est inter eos: <br/> hominibus autem dedit justitiam, quae multo optima <br/> est. Si enim quis velit justa profiteri <br/> cognoscens, ei opes dat late-videns<!--sic--> Jupiter: <br/> qui vero testimoniis volens perjurium jurans <br/> mentietur, justitiamque impediens immedicabiliter laesus-sit,<!--sic--><br/> ejus certe obscurior progenies posthac relicta-est:<!--sic--> <br/> viri autem juste-jurantis<!--sic--> progenies posthac praestantior. Tibi vero bona intelligens dicam, valde stulte Persa. <br/> Vitium quidem sane etiam cumulatim est capere <br/> facile: plana quidem via ''est'', valde autem procul habitat <br/> Virtuti vero sudorem Dii anteposuerunt <br/> Immortales: longa vero et ardua via ''est'' ad eam, <br/> et aspera primum: ubi vero ad summum ''aliquis'' venerit, <br/> facilis jam deinceps est, quamvis difficilis (exsistens). Ille quidem optimus est, qui per-se<!--sic--> omnia intellexerit, <br/> cogitans quaecumque dein et ad finem sint meliora. <br/> Bonus vero etiam ille, qui bene monenti paruerit.<br/> Qui vero neque ipse sapit, neque alium audiens <br/> in animo reposuerit, ille contra inutilis vir ''est''. At tu quidem nostri memor semper praecepti <br/> operare, Persa, diva proles, ut te Fames <br/> oderit, amet autem pulcre-coronata<!--sic--> Ceres <br/> veneranda, victuque tuum impleat horreum. <br/> Fames enim semper ignavo comes ''est'' viro. Huic vero Dii indignantur et homines, quicumque otiosus <br/> Vivit, fucis aculeo-carentibus<!--sic--> similis indole, <br/> qui apum laborem absumunt otiosi, <br/> vorantes: tibi vero opera gratum esto decentia obire, <br/> ut tibi tempestivo victu impleantur horrea.<!--or borrea--> Ex laboribus autem viri ''evadunt'' pecorosique opulentique: <br/> etiam laborans mqlto carior immortalibus <br/> eris atque hominibus: valde enim oderunt otiosos. Labor autem minime dedecus, ignavia autem dedecus ''est''. Quod si laboraveris, mox te aemulabitur otiosus <br/> Ditescentem: dlvitias vero virtus et gloria comitatur. Fortuna autem qualis sis, laborare est melius, <br/> si quidem ab alienis facultatibus stolidum animum<br/> ad opus convertens curam-habeas victus, sicut te jubeo. Pudor autem non bonus egenum hominem tenet, <br/> pudor, qui homines valde laedit atque juvat. Pudor sane cum inopia, audacia vero cum opibus. Opes autem non rapiendae: divinitus-datae<!--sic--> multo meliores. <br/> Si quis enim et manibus per-vim<!--sic--> magnas opes ceperit, <br/> aut is lingua praedatus-fuerit,<!--sic--> qualia multa <br/> Fiunt, quam primum lucrum mentem deceperit <br/> hominum, pudorem vero impudentia expulerit: <br/> facile autem illum obscurant Dii, minuuntur vero familiae <br/> viro tali; exiguumque ad tempus divitiae comitantur. Pariter vero, et qui supplicem et qui hospitem male tra-<!--sic--> <br/> ctaverit;]<!--sic--> quique fratris sui lectum adscenderit <br/> secreti concubitus uxoris, scelerata patrans; <br/> quique cujuspiam imprudentia fraudat orphanos liberos; <br/> quique parentem senem misero in senectutis limite <br/> increpoerit graviiios incessens verbis: <br/> huic autem certo Jupiter ipse irascitur, ad extremum vero <br/> operibus pro iniquis gravem exhibet talionem. <br/> Verum tu ab-his<!--sic--> quidem omnino cohibe stultum animum. Pro facultate autem facito sacra immortalibus Diis <br/> caste et pure, nitida vero femora adoleto: <br/> alias autem libationibus thuribusque placato,<!--or placeto--> <br/> et quando cubitum-is,<!--sic--> et quum lux sacra venerit: <br/> ut tibi benevolum cor et animum habeant; <br/> [ut aliorum emas agrum, non tuum alius.]<!--sic--> Amicum ad convivium vocato, inimicum vero relinque: <br/> eum autem potissimum vocato, quicumque te prope habitat. <br/> Quotiescumque enim tibi etiam domesticum aliud ''quid'' accidat,<br/> vicini non-cincti<!--sic--> accurrunt, cinguntur autem cognati.<br/> Damnum malus vicinus, quantum bonus magnum com-<!--sic--><br/> modum.]<!--sic--> Nactus-est<!--sic--> sane pretium, quicumque nactus est vi-<!--sic--> <br/> cinum bonum.]<!--sic--> Neque bos interierit, nisi vicinus malus sit. Recte quidem metiaris ''mutuans'' a vicino, recte vero redde, <br/> eadem mensura, et amplius, si quidem possis: <br/> ut indigens etiam in posterum aequum ''eum'' invenias. Ne mala lucra-captes:<!--sic--> mala lucra aequalia damnis. Amantem ama, et succurrenti succurre: <br/> et da ei-qui<!--sic--> dederit, neve da ei-qui<!--sic--> non dederit. Datori quidem aliquis dedit, non-danti<!--sic--> vero nemo dedit. Donatio bona, rapina vero mala, mortis datrix. Quicumque enim quidem vir libens ''dat'', etiamsi multum de-<!--sic--> <br/> derit,]<!--sic--> gaudet dono et delectatur suo in animo. <br/> Qui vero ipse ceperit impudentiae obsecutus <br/> quamvis exiguum (exsistens), id tamen rigidat ejus animum. Siquidem enim et parvum ad parvum posueris, <br> et frequenter istud feceris, mox magnum et hoc evaserit. Qui vero ad id-quod-adest<!--sic--> adjicit, is vitabit atram famem. Neque vero quod domi repositum ''est'' hominem cruciat. Domi melius ''est'' esse, quoniam damnosum, quod foris ''est''. Bonum quidem de-praesenti<!--sic--> capere, miseria vero animo, <br/> egere absente: quae te meditari jubeo. Incipiente autem dolio et desinente saturare; <br/> in-medio<!--sic--> parce: sera vero in fundo parsimonia. Merces autem viro amico constituta aequa esto.<br/> Etiam cum-fratre<!--sic--> ludens testem adhibeto: <br/> credulitas autem sane pariter ac diffidentia perdiderunt ho-<!--sic--> <br/> mines.]<!--sic--> Ne vero mulier tibi animum nates-exornans<!--sic--> decipiat, <br/> blanda garriens, tuum inquirens domicilium. <br/> Qui enim mulieri confidit, confidit is furibus. Unicus vero filius sit, paternam domum <br/> qui-servet:<!--sic--> ita enim opulentia crescet in aedibus. Senex autem moriaris, alterum filium relinquens. Facile vero et pluribus praebuerit Jupiter ingentes opes. Major quidem plurium cura, major autem accessio. <br/> [Tibi vero si opes mens appetit in animo tuo, <br/> sic facito, et operi super opus operare.] ---- Pleiadibus Atlante-natis<!--sic--> exorientibus, <br/> incipe messem; arationem vero, occidentibus. <br/> Hae autem sane noctesque et dies quadraginta <br/> latent: rursum vero inverso anno <br/> apparent primum ubi-acuitur<!--sic--> ferrum. <br/> Haec utique camporum est lex, iisque, qui mare <br/> prope habitant, iisque, qui valles flexuosas, <br/> a-mari<!--sic--> fluctuante procul, pinguem regionem <br/> incolunt: nudus serito, nudusque arato, <br/> nudusque metito, si quidem tempestiva omnia voles <br/> opera tibi-parare<!--sic--> Cereris: ut tibi singula <br/> tenpestiva crescant, ne quando interim egens <br/> mendices ''ad'' alienas domos, et nihil efficias. <br/> Sicut et nunc ad me venisti: ego vero tibi nonamplius-dabo,<!--sic--> <br/> neque admetiar: operare, stolide Persa, <br/> operibus, quae hominibus Dii destinarunt: <br/> ne-quando<!--sic--> cum liberis uxoreque animo dolens <br/> quaeras victum per vicinos, hi vero negligant. <br/> Bis quidem enim et ter forsitan consequeris: si vero am-<!--sic--> <br/> plius molestus-fueris,]<!--sic--> rem quidem non facies, tu vero ina- <br/> nia multa dices:]<!--sic--> inutilis autem erit verborum copia. Sed te <br/> jubeo]<!--sic--> cogitare debitorumque solutionem famisque evitatio-<!--sic--> <br/> nem.]<!--sic--> Domum quidem primum, foeminamque bovemque <br/> aratorem,]<!--sic--> [servam non nuptam, quae et boves sequatur:] <br/> utensilia vero domi omnia apta parato: <br/> ne tu quidem petas ab alio, is vero recuset, tuque careas, <br/> tempus autem praetereat, minuaturque etiam opus. Neve differas in crastinum inque perendinum: <br/> non enim fustra-Iaborans<!--sic--> vir implet horreum, <br/> neque differens: studium vero opus auget. <br/> Semper autem dilator-operum<!--sic--> vir cum-damnis luctatur. Quum<!--sic--> jam desinit vis acuti solis <br/> aestum sudoriferum, per-autumnum<!--sic--> pluente <br/> Jove praepotente, mutatur vero humana cutis <br/> muIto agilior: jam enim tunc Sirius stella <br/> paulisper supra caput mortalium hominum <br/> venit interdiu, magis autem nocte fruitur: <br/> tum minime-rosa<!--sic--> (''vermilibus'')<!--sic--> est caesa ferro <br/> silva, folia antem<!--or autem--> humi fundit, germinationeque desinit: <br/> tunc igitur lignari memento tempestiva opera. <br/> Mortarium quidem tripetale seca, pistillum vero tricubitale, <br/> axemque septempedalem: valde enim certe conveniens sic: <br/> si vero octopedalem, inde et malleum secueris. <br/> Trium-palmorum vero rotam secato decem-palmorum plau-<!--sic--> <br/> stro.]<!--sic--> Multa curva ligna: ferto autem buram, cum invene-<!--sic--> <br/> ris]<!--sic--> domam, in monte quaerens vel in campo, <br/> ilignam: haec enim bobus ad-arandum<!--sic--> firmissima est, <br/> si Minervae famulus, dentali infigens, <br/> clavis conjungens adaptaverit temoni. <br/> Bina vero facito aratra, fabricans domi, <br/> ''alterum'' nativa-bura<!--sic--> et ''alterum'' compactile: quoniam multo <br/> melias sic:]<!--sic--> si alterum quidem fregeris, alterum bobus inje-<!--sic--> <br/> ceris.]<!--sic--> E-lauro<!--sic--> autem vel ulmo minime-vermiculati<!--sic--> temones, <br/> e-quercu<!--sic--> dentale, bura ex-ilice.<!--sic--> Boves vero ''duos'' novennes <br/> mares comparato (horum enim robur non imbecillum ''est'') <br/> juventutis mensuram habentes: hi ad-laborandum<!--sic--> optimi.<br/> Non hi utique dimicantes in sulco quidem aratrum <br/> fregerint, opus vero inutile ibi reliquerint. Hos autem simul quadragenarius juvenis sequator, <br/> panem postquam-prandit<!--sic--> quadrifidum, octo-quadrarum, <br/> qui opus curans rectum sulcum ducat, <br/> non-amplius<!--sic--> circumspiciens aequales, sed in opere <br/> animum habens: hoc vero neque junlor alius melior <br/> ad-spargendum<!--sic--> semina et iteratam-sationem<!--sic--> ad-evitandam.<!--sic--><br/> Junior enim vir ad aequales desiderio-trahitur. Observa veto, cum gruis vocem audieris <br/> alte in nubibus quotannis clangentis: <br/> haec arationisque signum affert, et hyemis tempus <br/> indicat imbriferae: cor autem rodit viri bobus-carentis.<!--sic--> <br/> Tunc sane pasce camuros boves domi manentes. <br/> [Facile enim ''est'' verbum dicere: Par-boum<!--sic--> da et plaustrum; <br/> facile autem recusare: Sunt vero opera bobus.<br/> Putat autem vir mente ''nempe'' dives se fabricaturum plaustrum, <br/> stultus, neque hocce scit: centum enim ''sunt'' ligna plaustri, <br/> quorum ante curam habere oportet domum ferendorum.] Cum vero primum arationis-tempus<!--sic--> mortalibus apparuerit, <br/> Jam tunc aggredere, simul servique et ipse, <br/> siccum et humidum arans arationis per tempus,<br/> mane valde festinans, ut tibi impleantur arva. <br/> [Vere vertito; aestate vero iteratum ''arvum'' non te fallet.]<br/> Novalem autem serito adhuc levem agrum. <br/> [Novalis exsecrationum-expultrix,<!--sic--> liberorum placatrix.] <br/> Supplica vero Jovi infero, Cererique castae, <br/> perfecte ut-onerent<!--sic--> Cereris sacrum munus, <br/> incipiens primum arationem, cum extremum stivae <br/> manu capiens stimulum, boum<!--sic--> ad terga adtigeris <br/> temonis-cuneum trahentium subjugiis: puer autem a-tergo<!--sic--> <br/> ''sequens'']<!--sic--> servus tenens ligonem negotium avibus facessat, <br/> semina abscondens. Diligentia enim optima <br/> mortalibus hominibus, negligentia vero pessima. <br/> Sic ubertate spicae nutaverint ad-terram,<!--sic--> <br/> si finem ipse postea Olympius praebuisset, <br/> e vasis autem ejeceris araneas; et te spero <br/> gavisurum, de-victu<!--sic--> sumentem intus reposito. <br/> Bene-onustus<!--sic--> autem pervenies ''ad'' album ver, neque ad alios <br/> respicies: tui vero alius vir indigus est.<br/> Si vero sole vertente (''bruma'') divam araveris terram, <br/> sedens metes, pauxillum manu comprehendens, <br/> alternatim ligans puluerulentus, non valde gaudens. <br/> Feres autem in sporta: pauci vero te suspicient. Alias autem alia Jovis mens aegida-habentis, <br/> difficilis vero hominibus mortalibus intellectu. <br/> Sin autem sero araveris, id tibi remedium fuerit <br/> Quando cucuIus canit quercus in foliis, <br/> primum, delectatque mortales super immensam terram; <br/> tunc Jupiter pluat tertio die, neve desinat, <br/> neque sane excedens bovis ungulam neque deficiens: <br/> ita serus-arator<!--sic--> priorem aequarit. <br/> [Animo autem bene omnia serva: neve te lateat <br/> neque ver evadens album, neque tempestivus imber.] Praeteri autem aerariam officinam et calidam tabernam,<br/> tempore hiberno, quando frigus virum ab-operibus<!--sic--> <br/> arcet, ubi impiger vir valde domum augeat; <br/> ne te malae hyemis difficultas deprehendat <br/> cum paupertate, macra vero crassum pedem manu premas. <br/> Multa autem ignavus vir, vanam ob spem exspectans,<br/> egens victus, mala locutus-est<!--sic--> ad-animum<!--sic--> ''suum''.<br/> [Spes vero non bona indigentem virum fovet, <br/> sedentem in taberna, cui non victus sufficiens sit.<br/> Demonstra autem servis, aestate adhuc media (exsistente): <br/> Non semper aestas erit, exstruite casas.] Mensem vero Lenaeonem, malos dies, boves-cruciantes<!--sic--> <br/> omnes,]<!--sic--> hunc vitate, et glacies, quae super terram <br/> flante Borea molestae exsistunt, <br/> qui per Thraciam equorum-altricem<!--sic--> lato mari <br/> inspirans ''id'' concutit: remugit autem terra et silva: <br/> multas vero quercus alticomas abietesque densas <br/> montis in saltibus dejicit terrae multos-pascenti<!--sic--> <br/> irruens, et omnis reboat<!--sic--> tunc innumera silva. <br/> Ferae autem horrent, caudasque sub pudenda ponunt, <br/> quaram etiam villis cutis obtecta ''est:'' sed sane et has <br/> frigidus cum-sit<!--sic--> perfiat,<!--or perflat--> villosis-pectoribus<!--sic--> licet exsistentes. <br/> Et per pellem bovis penetrat, neque ''haec'' eum arcet; <br/> et etiam per capram fiat<!--or flat--> longis-pilis:<!--sic--> sed ovium-greges om-<!--sic--><br/> nino,]<!--sic--> quia valde-densi villi ipsarum, non perfiat<!--or perflat--> <br/> vis venti Boreae: incurvum vero senem facit.<br/> Etiam per virginem tenelli-corporis<!--sic--> non perfiat,<!--or perflat--> <br/> quaecumque intra aedes caram apud matrem manet, <br/> nondum opera sciens aureae Veneris; <br/> quando lota tenerum corpus et pingui oleo <br/> uncta in-recessu<!--sic--> cubat intra domum <br/> die hibemo, quando exossis (''polypus'') suum pedem arrodit, <br/> inque domo sine-igne<!--sic--> et in latibulis tristibus, <br/> neque ei sol ostendit pabulum invadendum: <br/> sed super nigrorum hominum populumque urbemque <br/> vertitur, tardius autem Graecis lucet. <br/> Et tunc jam cornuti et non-cornuti<!--sic--> silvicolae <br/> misere manducantes per nemora saltuosa <br/> fugiunt, (et omnibus in animo id curae-est,)<!--sic--> <br/> ubi tecta quaerentes densas latebras habent, <br/> et antrum petrosum: illi vero tripodi (''seni'') homines similes, <br/> cujus dorsum fractum-est, caputque ad terram spectat, <br/> huic similes incedunt, vitantes nivem albam.] <br/> Et tunc indue munimentum corporis, ut te jubeo, <br/> Iaenamque mollem et talarem tunicam: <br/> stamine vero in pauco multum subtegmen intexe. <br/> Hanc circuminduito, ne tibi pili tremant, <br/> neve erecti horreant surgentes per corpus. <br/> Circum vero pedes calceos bovis vi occisi <br/> aptos ligito, pilis intus condensatos. <br/> Primogenitorum vero hoedorum, cum frigus tempestivum <br/> venerit,]<!--sic--> pelles consuito nervo bovis, ut super dorsum <br/> pluviae circum-injicias munimentum: in capite vero superne <br/> pileum habeto elaboratum, ne aures humefias:<!--sic--> <br/> frigida enim et aurora est Borea cessante: <br/> matutina vero super terram a coelo stellato <br/> nebula frugifera extenditur fortunatorum super operibus: <br/> quae hauriens fluminibus e perennibus, <br/> alte supra terram sublata venti procella, <br/> interdum quidem etiam pluit ad vesperam, interdum vero <br/> descendit]<!--sic--> densas Thraclo Borea nubes excitante. Hunc antevertens, opere perfecto, domum redi, <br/> ne-quando te coelitus tenebrosa nubes circumtegat <br/> corpusque madidum reddat, vestesque humectet.<br/> Sed evltato: mensis enim gravissimus hic <br/> hibenus, gravis pecudibus, gravisque hominibus. Tunc dimidium bobus, homini vero plus adslt <br/> cibariorum: longae enlm adjutrices noctes sunt. <br/> [Haec observans totum in annum <br/> aequato noctesque et dies, donec rursum <br/> terra, omnium mater, fructum omnigenum ferat.] Quum<!--sic--> autem sexaginta, post conversionem Solis (''bru-''<!--sic--><br/> ''mam''),]<!--sic--> hibernos exegerit Jupiter dies, jam sane tunc stella <br/> Arcturus relinquens sacrum fluctum Oceani <br/> primum totus-apparens<!--sic--> exoritur vespertinus. <br/> Post hunc autem mane-querula Pandionis surgit hirundo <br/> in lucem hominibus, vere recens-ineunte.<!--sic--> <br/> Hanc praevertens vites amputato: sIc enim melius. At cum domiporta (''cochlea'') e terra plantas adscenderit, <br/> Pleiades fugiens, tunc jam circumfossura non-amplius vi-<!--sic--><br/> tium:]<!--sic--> sed falcesque acuito et servos excitato. <br/> Fugito vero umbrosas sedes et matutinum somnum, <br/> tempore messis, quando et Sol cutem exsiccat. <br/> Tunc festina et domum fruges congere, <br/> mane surgens, ut tibi victus sufficiens sit. <br/> Aurora enim etiam operis tertiam sortitur partem. <br/> Aurora sane promovet quidem viam, vero etiam promovet <br/> opus:]<!--sic--> Aurora, quae apparens multos ingredi-fecit<!--sic--> viam <br/> homines, multls autem juga bobus imponit. Quum<!--sic--> vero scolymosque<!--sic--> floret, et canora cicada <br/> arbori insidens stridulum defundit cantum <br/> frequenter sub alis, aestatis laborioso tempore, <br/> tunc pinguissimaeque caprae et vinum optimum, <br/> lascivissimae autem mulieres, imbecillissimi vero etiam viri <br/> sunt, quoniam caput et genua Sirius siccat, <br/> siccum vero etiam corpus ob aestum. Sed tunc jam <br/> sit petraeque umbra, et Biblinum vinum, <br/> panisque bene-coctus,<!--sic--> lacque caprarum non-amplius-lactan-<!--sic--> <br/> tium,]<!--sic--> et vaccae in-silva-pascentis<!--sic--> caro nondum enixae, <br/> primogenitorumque hoedorum: insuper vero nigrum bibito <br/> vinum,]<!--sic--> in umbra sedens, saturatus cor cibo, <br/> contra acute-spirantem<!--sic--> Zephyrum vertens vultum, <br/> fontisque perennis ac defluentis, quique illimis ''sit'', <br/> tres ''partes'' aquae infunde, quartam vero immitte vini. Famulis autem impera Cereris sacrum munus <br/> triturare, quando primum apparuerit robur Orionis, <br/> loco in ventoso et bene-orbiculata<!--sic--> in area: <br/> mensura vero diligenter recondito in vasis. Sed postquam <br/> jam]<!--sic--> omnem victum deposueris paratum intra domum, <br/> [servumque domo-carentem conducere, et sine-liberis<!--sic--> servam <br/> quaerere te jubeo: molesta autem liberos-habens<!--sic--> serva.] <br/> Et canem asperis-dentibus<!--sic--> nutrito, nec parcas cibo, <br/> ne quando tibi interdiu-dormiens<!--sic--> vir res auferat. Foenum autem importato et paleas, ut tibi sit <br/> bobus ac mulis annuum ''pabulum''. Sed postea <br/> servorom rofocilla cara genua et boves solve. Quum<!--sic--> vero Orion et Sirius in medium venerit <br/> coelum, Arcturum autem inspexerit roseis-digitis<!--sic--> Aurora, <br/> o Persa, tunc omnes decerptas-fer<!--sic--> domum uvas: <br/> monstrato vero soli decemque dies et decem noctes, <br/> quinque autem in-umbra-pone,<!--sic--> sexto autem in vasa haurito <br/> dona Bacchi oblectatoris. Sed postquam jam <br/> Pleiadesque Hyadesque ac robur Orionis <br/> occiderint, tunc deinde arationis memor esto <br/> tempestivae: annus autem per terram prosper sit. ---- Sin autem te navigationis periculosae desiderium capit: <br/> quando Pleiades robur validum Orionis <br/> fugientes ceciderint in obscurum pontum, <br/> jam tunc omnigenorum ventorum furunt flamina: <br/> et tunc ne-amplius<!--sic--> naves habeto in nigro ponto: <br/> terram autem exercere memento: uti te jubeo. <br/> Navem vero in continentem trahito, munitoque lapidibus <br/> undique, ut arceant ventorum vim humide flantiam, <br/> paxillo extracto, ne putrefaciat Jovis imber. <br/> Armamenta vero disposita omnia tuae repone domi, <br/> diligenter componens navis alas (''vela'') marivagae: <br/> clavum vero fabrefactum super fumum suspendito. <br/> Ipse autem tempestivam exspectato navigationem, dum ve-<!--sic--> <br/> niat:]<!--sic--> et tum navem celerem in-mare<!--sic--> trahito, intus vero etiam <br/> onus]<!--sic--> aptum imponito, ut domum lucrum reportes, <br/> quemadmodum meusque pater et tuus, valde stoIide Persa, <br/> navigabat in navibus, victus indigens honesti: <br/> qui olim et huc venit, multum pontum emensus, <br/> Cuma AeoIide relicta, in navi nigra: <br/> non abandantiam fugiens neque divitiasque et fortunam, <br/> sed malam pauperiem, quam Jupiter hominibus dat. <br/> Habitavit autem prope Heliconem misero in vico, <br/> Ascra, hyeme malo, aestate molesto, neque umquam bono. <br/> Tu vero, o Persa, operum memor esto <br/> tempestivorum omniam, de navigatione vero maxime. <br/> Navem parvam laudato, magnae vero onera imponito; <br/> majus quidem onus, majus vero ad lucrum lucrum <br/> erit, si venti quidem malos contineant flatus. Quando ad mercaturam verteris imprudentem animum, <br/> volueris autem debita effugere et injucundam famem, <br/> ostendam jam tibi rationes multisoni maris, <br/> neque omnino navigandi peritus, neque omnino navium. <br/> Neque enim umquam navi tranavi latum mare; <br/> nisi in Euboeam ex Aulide, ubi quondam Argivi, <br/> exspectantes tempestatem (''desinentem''), multum populum <br/> collegerunt] Graecia e sacra in Trojam pulcris-foeminis. <br/> Ibi vero ego ad certamina strenui Amphidamantis <br/> Chalcidemque trajeci: indicta (''per praecones'') vero multa <br/> praemia posuerunt filii magnanimi: ubi me glorior <br/> carmine victorem tulisse tripodem auritum. <br/> Quem quidem ego Musis Heliconiadibus dicavi, <br/> ubi me primum dulci adduxerunt cantui. <br/> Tantum igitur naves quidem expertus-sum,<!--sic--> multos-clavos-<!--sic--><br/> habentes.]<!--sic--> Sed etiam sic dicam Jovis voluntatem aegida-ha-<!--sic--> <br/> bentis:]<!--sic--> Musae enim me docuerunt divinum carmen canere. Dies quinquaginta post conversionem solis, <br/> ad finem progressa aestate, laborioso tempore, <br/> tempestiva est mortalibus navigatio: neque navem <br/> fregeris, neque homines perdiderit mare, <br/> nisi forte data-opera<!--sic--> Neptunus terrae-concussor <br/> aut Jupiter, immortalium rex, velit perdere. <br/> Penes hos enim exitus est pariter bonorumque malorumque. <br/> Tunc vero dispositaeque aurae et mare innocuum: <br/> securus tunc navem celerem, ventis fretus, <br/> deducito in pontum, onus vero bene onme colloca. <br/> Propera autem quam celerrime rursos domum redire: <br/> neque exspectato vinumque novum et autumnalem imbrem, <br/> et hyemem accedentem, Notique saevos flatus, <br/> qui concitat mare, comitans Jovis imbrem <br/> multum, autumnalem, difficilemque pontum reddit.<br/> Alia vero verna est navigatio hominibus. <br/> Cum enim primum, quantum incedens cornix <br/> vestigium facit, tantum folia homini apparuerint <br/> in ficu summa; tum etiam pervium est mare. Verna autem haec est navigatio: non ipsam equidem <br/> probo: neque enim meo animo grata est; <br/> arreptum aegre effugeris malum. Sed tamen et haec <br/> homines faciunt, stultitia mentis: <br/> opes enim anima sunt miseris mortalibus. <br/> Dirum vero est mori in fluctibus: at te jubeo <br/> considerare haec omnia in animo, uti dico. Ne vero in navibus omnem fortunam cavis pone: <br/> sed plura relinquito, pauciora vero imponito. <br/> Dirum enim ponti in fluctibus exitio occurrere. <br/> [Dirumque, si in plaustrum praegrande onere imposito<br/> axem fregeris, onera vero corrumpantur.]<br/> Modum servato: opportunum-tempus<!--sic--> vero in omnibus optimum. ---- Mature autem uxorem tuam ad domum ducito, <br/> neque triginta annis valde multum deficiens <br/> neque adjiciens valde multum: nuptiae vero tibi tempestivae <br/> hae,]<!--sic--> mulier autem quatuor ''annos'' pubescat, quinto vero (''pub-''<!--sic--><br/> ''bertatis'') nubat.]<!--sic--> Virginem vero ducito, ut mores castos do-<!--sic--> <br/> ceas.]<!--sic--> Eam vero potissimum ducito, quae te prope habitat: <br/> omnia bene circumspiciens, ne vicinis ludibria ducas. <br/> Neque enim quicquam muliere vir sortitur melius <br/> bona, verum contra mala non gravius aliud, <br/> comissatrice: quae virum, etiamsi robustum (exsistentem), <br/> torret sine face et crudae senectae tradit. Bene vero vindictam immortalium beatorum observato. <br/> Neque fratri aequalem facito amicum: <br/> sin autem feceris, ne ipsum prior malo afficias. <br/> Ne vero mentiaris dicis gratia: sin autem tibi coeperit <br/> aut aliquod verbum dicere infestum, aut facere,<br/> bis tantum puniri memento: si vero rursus <br/> redeat ad amicitiam, poenam autem velit dare, <br/> recipe: miser sane vir amicum alias alium <br/> facit. Tuum vero ne quid animum coarguat vultus. <br/> Ne vero multorum-hospes,<!--sic--> neve nullius-hospes<!--sic--> dicaris, <br/> neve malorum socius, neve bonorum conviciator. <br/> Neque umquam perniciosam pauperiem animum-comeden- <br/> tem homini]<!--sic--> patiaris exprobrare, beatorum munus sempiter-<!--sic--> <br/> norum.]<!--sic--> Linguae certo thesaurus inter homines optimus <br/> parcae, plurima vero gratia modum servantis: <br/> Sin autem malum dixeris, forsan ipse majus audies. <br/> Neve in communi convivio morosus sis <br/> de symbolis: plurima vero gratia sumtusque minimus. <br/> Neve umquam ex aurora Jovi libato nigrum vinum <br/> manibus illotis, neve aliis immortalibus: <br/> neque enim hi exaudiunt, respuunt vero etiam preces. <br/> Neu<!--or Nea--> contra solem versus stans meito, <br/> sed-etiam<!--sic--> postquam occidit, memento, adversus orientem <br/> neque in via, neque extra viam inter-eundum meiere. <br/> Neve denuderis: Deorum quippe noctes sunt: <br/> sedens vero in-fumeto<!--sic--> vir prudentia doctus, <br/> aut idem ad parietem accedens bene-septae<!--sic--> caulae. <br/> Neu<!--or Nea--> pudenda semine pollutus intra domum <br/> focum juxta revelato, sed caveto. <br/> Neve a mali-ominis<!--sic--> funebribus reversus <br/> seminato progeniem, sed immortalium a convivie. <br/> Neve umquam perennium fluviorum pulcre-fluentem<!--sic--> aquam <br/> pedibus transito, priusquam precatus-fueris<!--sic--> adspiciens pulcra <br/> fluenta,]<!--sic--> manus lotus amoena aqua limpida. <br/> Qui fluvium transierit, malitia vero manus illotus, <br/> huic Dii succensent et dolores dant in-posterum.<!--sic--> <br/> Ne vero a manu, Deorum in convivio splendido, <br/> siccum a viridi reseca nigro ferro.<br/> Neve umquam cyathum pone super craterem <br/> bibentium: perniciosum enim in eo fatum est. <br/> Neu domum exstruens impolitam relinquito, <br/> ne forte insidens crociat stridula cornix. <br/> Nevo ex ollis-pedatis nondum-dedicatis<!--sic--> capiens <br/> edito, neve lavator: quia et hisce inest poena. <br/> Neve in immobilibus (''monimentis'') ponito, non enim melius<br/> ''est'',]<!--sic--> pueram duodecennem, quod virum impubem reddit: <br/> [neque duodecim mensium: aequale et hoc est.] <br/> Neu muliebri balneo corpus abluito <br/> vir: gravis enim ad tempus est etiam in eo <br/> poena. Neu sacrificia in accensa incidens, <br/> reprehende arcana: Deus sane et haec indigne-fert. <br/> Neve nmquam in atreo fluvioram mare influentium, <br/> neu super fontes meito, sed valde evitato; <br/> neve incacato; id enim nihilo melius est. Sic facito: gravem vero mortalium evitato famam. <br/> Fama enim mala est levis quidem levatu <br/> facillime molesta vero portatu, difficilisque deposita.<!--or depositu--> <br/> Fama vero nulla omnino perit, quam-quidem<!--sic--> multi <br/> populi divulgant; Dea sane quaedam est et ipsa. ---- Dies vero ex Jove observans bene secundum decorum, <br/> doce servos: tricesimum mensis optimum <br/> operaque ad-inspicienda<!--sic--> atque demensum dividendum, <br/> quum ex-veritate<!--sic--> populi ''eum'' judicantes degunt.<br/> Hi enim dies sunt Jove a prudente. <br/> Primum primus quartusque et septimus sacer dies, <br/> (hoc enim Apollinem ense-aureo peperit Latona), <br/> octavusque nonusque; duo quidem dies mensis <br/> egregii crescentis mortalia opera ad-curanda, <br/> undecimusque duodecimusque: ambo quidem boni,<br/> hic quidem ovibus tondendis, ille vero laetis segetibus me- <br/> tendis:]<!--sic--> duodecimus autem undecimo multo melior: <br/> hoc enim net<!--sic--> fila alte-suspensa<!--sic--> aranea <br/> die ex pleno, quum et prudens (''formica'') acervum coIligit <br/> Hoc vero telam instituat mulier, proponatque sibi opus. <br/> Mensis autem ineuntis decimotertio evitato <br/> sementem incepturus: plantis vero inferendis optimus ''est'', <br/> Sextus vero medius valde incommodus est plantis, <br/> viriparus autem bonus: puellae vero non utilis est, <br/> neque gignendae primum, nec nuptui collocandae. <br/> Nec primus quidem sextus puellis gignendis <br/> aptus, sed hoedis castrandis et gregibus ovium, <br/> stabuloque circumsepiendo pastorali benignus dles: <br/> bonus autem viriparus: amat vero etiam convitia loqui, <br/> mendaciaque blandosque sermones occultaque colloquia. <br/> Mensis vero octavo verrem et borem mugientem <br/> castrato, mulos autem duodecimo patientes-laboris.<!--sic--> <br/> Vicesimo vero (in) magno ''nono'',<!--sic--> pleno die, prudentem virum <br/> generato: valde enim animo sapiens est. <br/> Bonus autem viriparus decimus, puellae vero et quartus <br/> medius; hoc toto et oves et flexipedes camuros boves, <br/> et canem asperis-dentibus<!--sic--> et mulos patientes-laboris<!--sic--> <br/> cicurato, manum imponens; cave vero iram ''eorum''. <br/> Quarto careto finientis inchoantisque ''mensis'' <br/> doloribus animum conficias: valde sane perfectus dies ''est''. <br/> Quarto autem mensis in domum uxorem ducito <br/> auguriis observatis, quae ad rem hanc optima. <br/> Quintos vero evitato, quia difficilesque ''sunt'' et graves: <br/> (in) quinto enim aiunt Furias servire <br/> Horco ''eo die'' nato, quem Eris peperit pestem perjuris. <br/> Medio vero septimo Cereris sacrum munus <br/> bene valde inspiciens bene-orbiculata<!--sic--> in area <br/> ventilato: lignicidaque secato cubicularia ligna, <br/> navaliaque ligna multa, quae apta navibus sunt. <br/> Quarto vero incipito naves compingere fragiles. <br/> Nonus autem medius ad vesperam melior dies. <br/> Primus vero nonus prorsus-innoxius hominibus: <br/> bonus quidem enim et hic ad plantandum atque generandum, <br/> viroque et mulieri: neque umquam prorsus-malus<!--sic--> dies. <br/> Pauci vero etiam sciunt tertium-nonum<!--sic--> mensis optimum <br/> ad-relinendum<!--sic--> dolium et jugum collo imponendum <br/> bobus et mulis et equis celeripedibus,] <br/> navem multis-transtris celerem in nigrum pontum <br/> ad-trahendam: pauci autem veracem dicunt <br/> [quarto vero aperi dolium: prae omnibus sacer dies:] <br/> medium: pauci vero etiam post vicesimum mensis optimum <br/> aurora oriente: ad vesperam autem est deterior. <br/> Hi quidem dies sunt hominibus magno commodo. <br/> Caeteri autem intercidentes innoxii, nihil ferentes. <br/> Alius vero alium laudat, pauci autem norunt. <br/> Interdum noverca est dies, interdum mater: <br/> horum ''dierum'', beatusque et fortunatus ''est is'', qui haec omnia <br/> sciens operatus-fuerit,<!--sic--> inculpatus immortalibus, <br/> auguria observans et delicta evitans. </div> {{finis}} {{textquality|75%}} [[en:Works and Days]] [[el:Έργα και ημέραι]] [[es:Trabajos y días]] [[fr:Les Travaux et les jours]] mbgzso62hb32ek77v4qc6qcjjn2qgof 2 28196 276948 276521 2026-08-22T16:16:50Z Demetrius Talpa 13304 /* colores equorum */ 276948 wikitext text/x-wiki [[File:TAGVS.jpg|center|link=Irenes Virginis Lusitanae Martyrium triumphale]] <p style="background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,black,blue,green);padding-bottom:3px;position:fixed;width:100%;top:0;left:0;margin:0;z-index:1"></p>[[Fasciculus:Rhomboederstumpf SketchUp massiv.svg|right|80px|Polyhedron Dureri]] ===versiones=== {| class="wikitable" |zu beiden händen, da||dextra atque sinistra, eo |- |wo die Sterne mir wuchsen, fern||quo stellae mihi creverunt, procul |- |allen Himmeln, nah||caelis omnibus, prope |- |allen Himmeln:||caela omnia: |- |Wie||Ut |- |wacht es sich da! Wie||vigilatur eo! Ut |- |tut sich die Welt uns auf, mitten||mundus nobis aperitur, in medio |- |durch uns!||per nos! |- |&nbsp;||&nbsp; |- |Du bist,||es |- |wo dein Aug ist, du bist||quo oculus est tuus, es |- |oben, bist||supra, es |- |unten, ich||infra, in- |- |finde hinaus.||venio extrorsum. |- |&nbsp;||&nbsp; |- |O diese wandernde leere||О istum vagans vacuum |- |gastliche Mitte. Getrennt,||hospitale medium! Seiunctus |- |fall ich dir zu, fällst||cado ad te, cadis |- |du mir zu, einander||ad me, invicem |- |entfallen, sehn wir||excidimus, desideramus |- |hindurch:||trans: |- |&nbsp;||&nbsp; |- |Das||i- |- |Selbe||dem |- |hat uns||est nobis |- |verloren, das||captum, i- |- |Selbe||dem |- |hat uns||est nostrum |- |vergessen, das||oblitum, i- |- |Selbe||dem |- |hat uns — — ||est nos — — |} {| class="wikitable" |erblindete schon heut:||caeci tamen fiatis hodie: |- |auch die Ewigkeit steht voller Augen —||etiam aeternitas plena oculorum stat — |- |darin||ibi |- |ertrinkt, was den Bildern hinweghalf||demergitur, quod imagines conficere |- |uber den Weg, den sie kamen,||iter, quo adierunt, adiuvit, |- |darin||ibi |- |erlischt, was auch dich aus der Sprache||exstinguitur, quod etiam te e sermone |- |fortnahm mit einer Geste,||uno eripuit gestu, |- |die du geschehn ließt wie||quem fieri permisisti, ut |- |den Tanz zweier Worte aus lauter||duorum verborum choreae e liquido |- |Herbst und Seide und Nichts||autumno et serico et nihilo |} {| class="wikitable" | valign="top" |<poem> Der Stein. Der Stein in der Luft, dem ich folgte. Dein Aug, so blind wie der Stein. Wir waren Hände, wir schöpfen die Finsternis leer, wir fanden das Wort, das den Sommer heraufkam: Blume. Blume - ein Blindenwort. Dein Aug und mein Aug: sie sorgen für Wasser. Wachstum. Herzwand um Herzwand blättert hinzu. Ein Wort noch, wie dies, und die Hämmer schwingen im Freien. </poem> | valign="top" |<poem> Saxum. Saxum in aere, quod sequebar. Oculus tuus, caecus ut saxum. Manus Fuimus, Tenebras usque ad fundum exhausimus, invenimus Verbum, quod aestatem attulit: Flos. Flos est verbum caecum. Oculus tuus et oculus meus: Curant Aquam. Augmen. Pericardium pericardio ut folio circumdatur. Etiam unum verbum, ut haec, et mallei sub caelo aperto coruscant. </poem> |} {| class="wikitable" |ВЕРШИНЫ БЕРЕЗ — С ДЕТСТВА И ДО СИХ ПОР||SVMMIS IN BETVLIS — AB INFANTIA VSQVE ADHVC |- |&nbsp;||&nbsp; |- |будто||an |- |все то же:||semper idem est: |- |&nbsp;||&nbsp; |- |о||o quam |- |затихание — после||silescitur — post |- |шепота||susurrum |- |взгляда||uisumque |- |и слуха —||auditumque — |- |(и я забывал это было всю жизнь забывал колыбельную голосом бывшую чтобы всю жизнь вспоминать колыбельную будто безмолвно-первичную духом меня изначально раскрывшую шириться мне обещая свободно без края) —||(atque obliuiscebar  per totam uitam hoc erat  lallum obliuiscebar quod uox fuerat ut per totam uitam lallum reminiscerer ceu spiritu taciturne principale quod me ab origine aperuisset solutam sine limite pollicens latitudinem) — |- |&nbsp;||&nbsp; |- |о ||о |- |затиханье — (давно уже нет никого):||silescitur — (nemo iamdudum hic est): |- |&nbsp;||&nbsp; |- |воздух — в вершинах:||aer — summis in: |- |&nbsp;||&nbsp; |- |берез||betulis |} <hr> ===colores equorum=== <small>Symeon</small>: *буланый gilvus *вороной niger / ater *воронорыжий pili e rubro atri *воронопегий maculis nigris *вороночалый maculis incanis / ravis *игрений rufus iuba et cauda albicante *гнедой badio colore *каурый ''abest'' *пегий maculosus / maculatus / maculis albis *соловый colore [[:d:Q2002932|isabellae]] / melino *саврасый badio in helvolum transeunte colore, cum iuba et cauda nigra *чалый griseo colore inter alios mixto *чубарый tigridis instar varius <hr> ===[[:w:nl:Sinterklaaslied|sinterklaas]]=== ''Leonis Nellissen collectio, http://www.stilus.nl/liedjes/index.htm'' {| class="wide" style="width:950px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Sinterklaasje kom maar binnen met je knecht''' Sinterklaasje, kom maar binnen met je knecht want we zitten allemaal even recht Misschien heeft u wel even tijd voordat u weer naar Spanje rijdt Sinterklaasje, kom maar even bij ons aan en laat uw paardje maar buiten staan En we zingen en we springen en we zijn zo blij want er zijn geen stoute kind'ren bij En we zingen en we springen en we zijn zo blij want er zijn geen stoute kind'ren bij </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> Sancte Nicola(e), intra cum famulo nam omnes sedemus eleganter Forsan tibi momentum sit antequam reveheris in Hispaniam Sancte Nicolae, ad nos venias paulisper maneat foras equus parvus Et cantamus et salimus et tam gaudemus nam liberi protervi absunt Et cantamus et salimus et tam gaudemus nam liberi protervi absunt </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> <u>Νι</u>κο<u>λά</u>δι<u>ον</u> ἧ<u>κε</u> με<u>τὰ</u> δού<u>λου</u>· ἵζο<u>μεν</u> γὰρ <u>πάν</u>τες ὀρ<u>θῶς</u> αὐ<u>τοῦ</u>. Ὀ<u>λί</u>γον <u>χρό</u>νον <u>ἔ</u>χοις <u>ἄν</u>, πρὶν <u>πά</u>λιν <u>εἰς</u> Ἱσ<u>πα</u>νί<u>αν</u>. <u>Νι</u>κο<u>λά</u>δι<u>ον</u> νῦν <u>πρὸς</u> ἡ<u>μᾶς</u> ἧ<u>κε</u>, ἀλ<u>λὰ</u> τὸν <u>ἵπ</u>πον ἔ<u>ξω</u> λί<u>πε</u>. Καὶ ᾄ<u>δο</u>μεν καὶ πη<u>δῶ</u>μεν, χαίρο<u>μεν</u> μά<u>λα</u>· οὐ γὰρ <u>πάρ</u>εσ<u>τι</u> κα<u>κὰ</u> τέκ<u>να</u>. Καὶ ᾄ<u>δο</u>μεν καὶ πη<u>δῶ</u>μεν, χαίρο<u>μεν</u> μά<u>λα</u>· οὐ γὰρ <u>πάρ</u>εσ<u>τι</u> κα<u>κὰ</u> τέκ<u>να</u>. </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:950px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Sinterklaasje, bonne, bonne, bonne''' Sinterklaasje bonne, bonne, bonne Gooi wat in de regen-regentonne Gooi wat in mijn laarsje Dank u Sinterklaasje </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> Sancte, sancte, bona, bona, bona Pone dona solea in mea Dona et in caliga Magna mea gratia </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> Ἤδη, ἤδη, καλέ, καλέ, καλέ Δῶρα αὐτόθι τίθει κάλλιστα Δῶρα αὐτόθι τίθει ἡσθησόμεθα μέρει </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:4250px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Zie ginds komt de stoomboot''' Zie ginds komt de stoomboot uit Spanje weer aan Hij brengt ons Sint Nicolaas ik zie hem al staan Hoe huppelt zijn paardje het dek op en neer Hoe waaien de wimpels al heen en al weer Zijn knecht staat te lachen en roept ons reeds toe Wie zoet is, krijgt lekkers wie stout is, de roe O lieve Sint Nicolaas denk ook eens aan mij en rijd dan niet stilletjes mijn huisje voorbij </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> I. Vaporea navis ex Hispania Nostrum petit portum, portans omnia Quae bonus Sanctus nobis dare amat Speramus ut mox dona distribuat Petrus comes ridet albis dentibus In manu sinistra est fasciculus In altera tenet profundum saccum </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> II. En illic vaporans ex Hispania Vehens Nicolaum stantem in prora Equus eius albus lascive exsultat Vexillum iam flavum vento fluitat Comes Petrus carus ridens exclamat Impigro ille bona, pravo virgam dat Sancte Nicolae, preces exaudi Noli domum meam clam praetervehi </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> III. Iam navis adventat ex Hispania Vehens Nicolaum stantem in prora Equus eius albus lascive exsultat Vexillum episcopale vento fluitat Petrus iam os suum ridens distorquet Ostenditque saccum, qui nobis feret Multa oblectamenta, multas bonas res Salve, Nicolae, gratus venies </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> IV. Procul advenit navis vaporea portans Nicolaum ex Iberia equo exsultante constrata crepant vexilla festiva vento vento fluitant. Minister ridens exclamat: ‘crustula probis pueris, improbis ferula’. Nicolae care, mei memor sis nec tacitus domum praeterveharis. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> V. Linter ex Hispania vapore motus Revenit in nos Sanctus Nicolaus. Ut equus exsultat in transtris navis, Vid, ut agitentur Vexilla ventis! Comes ut cachinnat iam clamans ad hos: Dulces manent mella, sed fasces malos. O, care Vir Sancte et me visita. Ne furtim relicta sit casa nostra. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> VI Iam navis Hispana nunc appropinquat. Advehit Niclaum; in constrato stat. Ex equo salutat, nobisque arridet, vexilla versantur, suavilla habet. Comesque exsultat, iam nos appellat: qui paret, donatur, qui non, poenas dat. O care Niclae, ad me perveni, noli meam casam clam praetervehi. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> VII. Huc adest navigium ex Hispania Portat Nicolaum stantem in prora Caballus exsultat in navis strato Vexillum fluitat ultro et citro </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> VIII. vide ut iam navis illinc redeat sanctum fert Hispanam proram occupat iam equulus saltat nunc it, nunc redit quam flantur vexilla iam ventus strepit </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> IX. Adventat iam navis ex Hispania vehens Nicolaum stantem in prora. Equus eius albus lascive exsultat. Vexillum iam flavum vento fluitat. Comes Petrus carus ridens exclamat: impigro ille bona, virgam pravo dat. Sancte Nicolae, preces exaudi: domum meam noli clam praetervehi. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> X En hic venit navis e mari rursus. Fert Niclaum nobis, stantem videmus. Ut saltat caballus istuc et tunc huc, ut volant iam pannae alio et illuc. Stat comes in prora promittens multam: bonis quidem dulcia, sed malis virgam. O Sancte amice, o veni ad me nec casam meam praeteri tacite. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> XI En navis vaporans ex Hispania. Adfert Nicolaum, qui stat in prora. Caballus exsultat super constratum. Vexilla moventur sursum deorsum. Ridet eius comes et clamat nobis: malis verbera erunt, iucunda bonis. Care Nicolae, mei memento et noli transvehi, sed sis in domo. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> XII En navis Hispana iam iamqu' adventat vehit nobis Sanctum in prora iam stat. Quam laetus caballus in transtris saltat huc illuc vexilla ventum nobis flat. Astat Petrus ridens clamatque nobis. Bonis nunc est suave sed non improbis. Ad me veni, Sancte, qui pueros amas et casam ne meam clam praetereas! </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> 1 Θεᾶσθε τὸ πλοῖον / ἐξ Ἰβηριᾶς. Φέρει Νικόλαον· / οὐ νὶν ἑώρας; Φαιδρῶς σκιρτᾷ ἵππος / ἐπὶ τῷ πλοίῳ. Κινεῖται σημεῖα / πολὺ γ΄ ἀνέμῳ. Γελᾷ δ΄ὁ οἰκέτης, /ἡμᾶς προσφωνεῖ· ΄Χρηστὸς πράξει καλῶς, /κακὸς ἐκτείσει!΄ Ὦ φίλε Νικόλαε, / μή μου γ΄ ἐπιλαθοῦ, μὴ σῖγα παρέλαυνε / παρ΄ οἰκίαν μου! <small>''(vertaling gemaakt in december 2013 door Stephan van Doren, classicus te Tilburg)''</small> </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:650px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Sinterklaas kapoentje''' Sinterklaas kapoentje Gooi wat in mijn schoentje Gooi wat in mijn laarsje Dank u Sinterklaasje </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> Cappo Nicolae Oro, quiddam iace Mihi in caligulas Ago tibi gratias </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:8150px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Zie de maan schijnt door de bomen''' Zie de maan schijnt door de bomen Makkers staakt uw wild geraas ’t Heerlijk avondje is gekomen ’t Avondje van Sinterklaas Vol verwachting klopt ons hart Wie de koek krijgt, wie de gard O, wat pret zal ’t zijn te spelen Met die bonte harlekijn Eerlijk zullen w’ alles delen Suikergoed en marsepein Maar o wee wat bitt’re smart Kregen wij voor koek een gard Maar ik vrees niet dat wij klagen Vader, moeder zijn zo goed Waren w’ook niet alle dagen Vele waren wij toch zoet Ban dus vrij de vrees van ‘t hart ‘k Wed, er ligt geen enk’le gard </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> I. En, per frondem lucet luna, sat rumoris socii! Dulcis Hora vespertina, iam venit Nicolaii. Corda spe pulsant magna, cui libum, cui ferula Gaudeamus nunc ludentes, harlequino cum pulchro Et honeste dividentes, dulcia dulciculo Heu, qualis molestia: Non libum, sed ferula </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> II. Lucet luna per arbusta. Procul turbae sint ferae. Hora nempe adest augusta. Nicolae feriae. Omnium cor palpitat Libum an virga ferat. Bona fide dividemus Sparsa mox bellaria, Neque inter nos contendimus Picta cui sit pupula. Nam quis nostrum non gemit Virga si cui data sit. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> III. Luna lucet per arbores Iam clamorem mittite Venit vesper ille bonus Nicolae vesper est Quaeque palpitant corda Cui sit crustum, cui virga Valde mox nos delectabit, ille sannio varius. Omn'inter nos partiemur, dulc'et martis panem. Sed dolori maximo, erit virga pro crusto. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> IV. Ecce luna per arbores Comites silete nunc Venit tandem vesper sacer Amici Nicolae Nostrum cor iam palpitat Cui fasces Petrus dat. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> V. Ecce luna per arbores Ne clametis comites Advenit iam vesper bonus Nicolae vesperculus Plenum spei cor pulsat Cui placentam an virgam dat. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> VI. Ecce luna per arbusta: ne tumultuemini! Vesper dulcis nunc advenit, vespera Nicolai. Cor expectans palpitat, quem donet, quem puniat. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> VII. Ecce, luna clara lucet pueri, quiescite! Nicolaas vir sanctus venit laeti nunc attendite! palpitat iam cor meum poena sit an praemium. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> VIII. Per arbores luna lucet, finem facte strepitus; venit vespera hilaris vespera Nicolai! Plena spei sunt corda, utrum crusta an ferula </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> IX Lucet luna per arbusta, comites, silentium! Venit vespera venusta, Niclai crepusculum! Corque nostrum palpitat, quemnam probet, quem premat. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> X Ecce luna per arbores; sodales silentium! Venit vesper dulcies ille vesper Sancti Nicolai. Cor nostrum percutitur, cui sint fasces, cuique non. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> XI Vide lunam per arbores Ne strepatis pueri. Venit versperclus beatus, Vesperclus Nicolai. Pulsant corda plena spe Cui detur, cui ne! </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> XII Ecce luna, io! Per ramos, Finiamus strepitum. Vesper nunc est iam divinus, Vesper est Nicolai. Plenum spei cor micat, Liba an virga obveniat. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> XIII Luna splendet per arbores; Sanctum sit silentium! Vesper est, quo exspectamus Nicolaum Dominum. Palpitans cor rogitat, Dona det an puniat. Quantum gaudium praebebit pupa haec ludentibus! Sine rixa dividemus crustula cum dulcibus. Sed, o rem horribilem, virgam si acciperem. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> XIV Ecce, lunam per arbores, sociii, tacete nunc! Vespera amoena venit, vespera Nicolai! Plena spei corda sunt: dabit virgam an libum. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> XV En per silvam lucet luna. Nunc finite strepitum! Vesper voluptate summa Facit Sancti reditum. Nostra mens est trepida, dulcia dentur an virga. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> XVI Lucet luna per arbusta, nunc tacete pueri! Venit vespera venusta, Vespera Nicolai. Cor expectans palpitat, libum an virgam ferat. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> XVII. Luna splendet in arbusto, mitte, comes, strepitum. Vesper dulcis appetivit, Santi Nicolaidum. Anxia cor spe salit, cui libum, cui virga sit. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> XVIII. clara lucet, ecce, luna audiatur nulla vox. nox advenit speciosa Nicolai sacra nox. trepidans cor rogitat quidnam quemque maneat. et cum Macco colorato quae habebo gaudia. dividemus sine dolo bella et cuppedia. sed quid si, me miserum, manet nos supplicium. sed non erit quod queramur pater mater sunt boni. ut non semper videamur saepe sumus integri. requiesci nunc potest poena non timenda est <small>''VARIA alternatieve regel 2: strepitum omittite''</small> </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> 1. διὰ δένδρων ἡ σελήνη· ἅλις, φίλοι, θορύβου! ἦλθεν ἑσπέρα ἡ κλεινή, ἑσπέρα Νικολάου! πάλλεται καρδία δή· τίνι πέμμα, τίνι μή. ἕξει τὸ μέρος ἕκαστος, τρωκτέα καὶ ἁπαλά· ποικίλος ὁ Νευρόσπαστος παίξεται πηδήματα· ἀλλ’, αἰαῖ, οἷον πάθος ῥαπὶς ἀντὶ πέμματος! ἀλλ’ οὐ μὴ νῦν αἰάζωμεν· χρηστοὶ πάππα καὶ μάμμα· πάντ’ εἰ μὴ καλῶς ἐδρῶμεν, πλεῖστά γ’ ἦν ἐπαινετά. μὴ φοβοῦ, παῖ, ῥαπίδος οὐδεὶς ἔσται ἄξιος! </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> 2. διὰ δένδρων ἡ σελήνη λήξατε τοῦ θορύβου ἡ καλὴ ἑσπέρα ἥκει ἁγίου Νικολάου ἡμῖν ἦτορ πάλλεται τίνι πέμμα βάλλεται. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> 3. διὰ δένδρων ἡ σελήνη νῦν παύσασθε θορύβου ἧκ’ ἡ ἑσπέρα ἡ καλὴ ἑσπέρα Νικολάου πλέων ἦτορ ἐλπίδος τίς εὐδαίμων, τίς κακός. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> 4. διὰ δένδρων ἡ σελήνη παῖδες, σχέσθε θορύβου! ἥκει ἡ ἑσπέρα ἡδεῖα, ἑσπέρα Νικολάου. πάλλεται καρδία δή, τίνι πέμμα, τίνι μή. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> 5. διὰ δένδρων, εἰσορᾶτε, ἡ σελήνη φαίνεται· Νικολάου, σιωπᾶτε, ἑσπέρα προσέρχεται. ἐλπίζουσι κῆρ ἀεὶ πέμμ’ ἢ ῥάβδον τίς ἕξει. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> 6. ἰδοὺ σελήνη διὰ δένδρων παῖδες παύσασθε τῆς κραυγῆς ἑσπέρα γὰρ ἧκεν ἡμῖν ἁγίου Νικολάου τῇ ἐλπίδι κῆρ τρομεῖ τίνι πλακοῦς ἢ κακόν. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> 7. ἡ σελήνη διὰ δένδρων φαίνεται, σιγᾶτε οὖν ἥκει γὰρ ἑσπέρα λαμπρὰ ἁγίου Νικολάου μεστὸν ὁρᾶτε δώρων σάκκον καλῶν καὶ λαμπρῶν. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> 8. ἰδοὺ σελήνη διὰ δένδρων. φίλε, τῆς βοῆς παύου. ἑσπέρα ἡδεῖα ἦλθεν, ἑσπέρα Νικολάου. ἐλπίδι πατάσσει κῆρ, ἢ μάστιξ ἢ ἐλατήρ; ἐλπίδι πατάσσει κῆρ, ἢ μάστιξ ἢ ἐλατήρ; </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:650px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Zachtjes gaan de paardenvoetjes''' Zachtjes gaan de paardenvoetjes Stippe, stappe, stippe, stap ’t Is het paard van Sinterklaasje Trippel, trappel, trippel, trap ’t Schimmeltje draagt met gemak Sinterklaasje over ‘t dak ’k Hoor de vlugge paardenvoetjes Stippe, stappe, stippe, stap In mijn lekker warme bedje Trippel, trappel, trippel, trap En ik droom van Sinterklaas En zijn goede Pieterbaas ’t Paardje kan de weg wel vinden Trippel, trappel, trippel, trap In het held’re maneschijntje Stippe, stappe, stippe, stap ’t Paardje is nog lang niet moe Maar ik moet naar bedje toe </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> Sonitus fit ungularum Dulciter tectum quatit Equus Sancti Nicolae Pedetemptim procedit Leviter episcopum Portat in fastigium Rapidarum ungularum Sonum semper audio Fessus ludo dum quiesco Recubans in lectulo Sanctus ille cum Petro Apparet in somnio Nullus error equum fallit Bene scit nam, quo eat Luna vias illustrante Numquam ille dubitat Fatigari non potest Sed heu! mihi hora est </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:1550px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Oh kom er eens kijken''' Oh kom er eens kijken wat ik in mijn schoentje vind alles gekregen van die goede Sint: een pop met vlechten in het haar. een snoezig jurkje kant en klaar, twee kaatsenballen in een net een letter van banket. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> I Venite spectare, quid sit in caligula Omnia data a Nicolao... Est puppa cripa crinibus Et vestis vittis omnibus Tres pilae in reticulo E liso littera... </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> II O! Veni et vide Quae mi sint in calceo! Omnia accepta ab episcopo! Comptis orinibus pupulam, Vestem pulchram et nitidam, Sphaeras in reti duas Et tostas litteras! </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> III. Io spectate, quid inveni in calceo, mihi donatum a sancto viro: pupillam comptis crinibus et stolam arte consertam tum duas pilas in rete et litteram placentae! </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> IV O veni videre, quid in mea caligula sit: omnia mi dedit Sanctus nomine “Sint”. Vestés plurímae pretíosae, specúla, gémmae, margáritae, elévatór delapsí vultus, marítus dívitissímus! O veni videre, quid in mea caligula sit: omnia mi dedit Sanctus nomine “Sint”. Appáratús computábilis, procúl-parlátor, quam hábilis, in hórto bálnea ád nandum et automobíle propríum! </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:1550px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Sinterklaas is jarig ''' (versio serena) Sinterklaas is jarig ik zet mijn schoentje klaar ’licht dat hij het vol doet, met, ja, wist ik het maar. Hier zet ik wat water, daar wat hooi voor het paard, want dat trouwe beestje is dat heus wel waard. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> I Dei Nicolai calceum paro; farciatur donis mihi nescio. Aliquid avenae et faeni pono equo tam fideli, bene merito </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> II Natalis est Sancti, calceum posui. Pleri eum volo aliquo ignoti. Hic equo avenam stipulamque pono. Nam caballus fidus dignus est hoc cibo. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> '''Sinterklaas is jarig ''' (versio nigra) Sinterklaas is jarig zet hem op de pot o wat zal hij stinken doe de deur op slot De goede Piet kwam kijken met een stuk papier en hij zei heel zachtjes: "O, wat stinkt het hier!" </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> Natalis est Sancti, faecem nunc faciat. Quem odorem sparget, porta non pateat. Petrus carus portat magnam chartae partem ac secum susurrat: “Amittam nasonem!” </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:1550px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Daar wordt aan de deur geklopt''' Daar wordt aan de deur geklopt, zacht geklopt, hard geklopt. Daar wordt aan de deur geklopt. Wie zou dat zijn ? Wees maar gerust mijn kind. Ik ben een goede vrind. Ook als ik soms straffen moet, ’k Meen het toch goed. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> I Ianua nunc pellitur fortiter, leviter. Ianua nunc pellitur quis aderit? Marce, metus fini amicus sum tibi. Ianua pellitur quis aderit? </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> II Ianua nunc pellitur Fortiter, leviter. Ianua nunc pellitur, Quis aderit? Parce metu, fili, Sum amicus tibi, Nonnumquam punio Sed corde bono! </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> III Ianua hic tunditur molliter, fortiter. Ianua hic tunditur, quicumque sit. Corda, liberi, sursum, bonus amicus sum. Nonnumquam punio Sed corde bono. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> 1. τίς πατάσσει ἐν πύλῃ, ἐν πύλῃ, ἐν πύλῃ; τίς πατάσσων ἐν πύλῃ ἐστὶν ἐκεῖ; ὦ φίλε, μὴ τάρβει, καλὸς φίλος μου εἶ. ἔχων λυπηρὸν ῥάβδον καὶ ὥς σ’ ἀγαπῶ. </poem> |} cf. [[Ianua nunc pellitur]] {| class="wide" style="width:1550px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Hoor wie klopt daar kinderen''' Hoor wie klopt daar kind’ren Hoor wie klopt daar kind’ren Hoor wie tikt daar zachtjes tegen ‘t raam ’t Is een vreemd’ling zeker Die verdwaald is zeker ’k Zal hem gauw eens vragen naar zijn naam Sint Nicolaas, Sint Nicolaas Brengt ons vanavond een bezoek En strooit dan wat lekkers In d’ één of andere hoek </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> I. En quis pulsat ibi? En quis pulsat ibi? En quis pulsat nostram ianuam? Certe barbarus est, qui erravit certe. Nomen eius modo perquiram. Nicolae, Nicolae, visita nos hoc vespero, et fer nobis dulcia, in angul’aliquo. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> II. Quisnam pulsat - audi - protinus tam leve, fenestram nostram leve pulsat? Advena pro certo, peregrinus quidam: aperi iam, nomen tum roga. Nicolae, Nicolae, nos vesperi sis visita et bona disperge per angulos tua. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> III. Quisnam pulsat, pueri, quisnam hanc fenestram tetigit? Peregrinus, scilicet, qui hic errat, scilicet, aperit(e) et nomen rogemus: Nicolaus, Nicolaus convenit nos hoc vespero et dulcia dispergit in domus angulos. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> IV Quis hic pulsat, liberi? Quis hic pulsat, liberi? Molliter pulsat hic fenestram. Non est notus iste, peregrinus certe, nomen eius breviter petam. Sanct’ Nicola’, Sanct’ Nicola’, non praeteri hac in vespera et sparge dulcia per tectum aliqua. </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:650px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Hoor de wind waait door de bomen''' Hoor de wind waait door de bomen Hier in huis zelfs waait de wind Zou de goede Sint wel komen Nu hij ’t weer zo lelijk vindt Nu hij ’t weer zo lelijk vindt. Ja hij rijdt in donk’re nachten Op zijn paardje, o zo snel Als hij wist hoe w’ hem verwachten Ja gewis dan kwam hij wel Ja gewis dan kwam hij wel </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> Flat tempestas per arbores quoque domi ventus flat. Veniatne Vir Sanctus, cum tempus tam malum putat. Equo vehitur per noctem obscuram celeriter. Si nosset, ut exspectemus veniret velociter. </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:650px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Hij komt, hij komt''' Hij komt, hij komt, de lieve goede Sint, Mijn beste vrind, uw beste vrind De vrind van ieder kind! Mijn hartje klopt, mijn hartje klopt zo blij Wat brengt hij mij, en wat brengt hij u </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> Venit, venit, venit Nicolaus amicus omnium puerorum longe optimus. Palpitat cor, palpitat cor laete rogitans, quid ferat ad te, et quid ferat ad me. </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:650px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Goede Piet ging uit fietsen''' Goede Piet ging uit fietsen, toen knapte zijn band. Toen moest hij gaan lopen, met de fiets aan zijn hand. Hij kwam in 'n dorpje, en zei tegen de smid: 'k Geloof dat er in mijn achterband een pepernootje zit. De smid moest toen lachen en plakte zijn band. Toen kon Piet weer fietsen door heel Nederland. Och jongens en meisjes let nu toch eens op! Misschien zie je Piet wel fietsen met Sint achterop. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> Petrus carus in rotis. Heu subito: pang pang! Tunc pedibus ibat per totam terram. Ad villam perveniens ferrario dixit: “In posteriore rota nux piperis mi sit.” Ferrarius ridens damnum refecit. Nunc rursus in rotis Petrus circumit. Pueri, puellae, attenti sitis. Sit post Petrum Sanctus sedens in rotis. </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:650px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Dag Sinterklaasje''' Dag, Sinterklaasje, daag, daag, daag, beste Piet. Dag, Sinterklaasje, daag, daag, luister naar ons welkomslied. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> Vale Nicolae, vale, vale. Vale, vale, care Petre. Vale Nicolae, vale, vale. Em cantum valedicentem. </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:650px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Ad Sanctum Nicolaum''' Nicolai solemnia Canit praesens familia: Ille puer amabilis, In omnibus laudabilis Gaude, gaude, gaude, gaude, Gaude, Pater Nicolae. Quarta et sexta Feria Semel sugebat ubera: Iam in aetate tenera Usus est abstinentia. Gaude, gaude, gaude, gaude, Gaude, Pater Nicolae. Qui vagitus infantiæ Decoravit mirifice, Dans virtutis primordia, Inter ortus crepundia. Gaude, gaude, gaude, gaude, Gaude, Pater Nicolae. Exultet aula coelica, Laetetur mundi machina, Dum refert solis orbita Nicolai solemnia. Gaude, gaude, gaude, gaude, Gaude, Pater Nicolae. Benedicamus Domino, Qui regnat in altissimo: Deo dicamus gratias. Qui finis est et charitas. Gaude, gaude, gaude, gaude, Gaude, Pater Nicolae. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> Op het feest van Sinterklaas zingt de familie die aanwezig is: de bekende beminnelijke jongen verdient in alles lof. Wees blij, wees blij, wees blij, wees blij, wees blij, vader Nicolaas. Op woens- en vrijdagen zoog hij altijd éénmaal aan de borst: al op jonge leeftijd hield hij zich aan onthouding. Wees blij, enzovoorts. En hij versierde zijn kindergekrijs verbazingwekkend: hij liet het begin van zijn aanleg zien, na zijn geboorte, tussen de rammelaars. Wees blij, enzovoorts. Laat het hemelse paleis juichen, laat de schepping zich verheugen, wanneer de baan van de zon het feest van Sinterklaas terugbrengt. Wees blij, enzovoorts. Laten wij de Heer prijzen, die heerst in het allerhoogste, laten wij God danken, die de voltooiïng en de naastenliefde is. Wees blij, enzovoorts. <small>''Uit: Het prieel der gheestelicker melodiie, Antwerpen 1617, pagina 279-281, met notenbalk https://www.dbnl.org/tekst/_pri008prie01_01/_pri008prie01_01_0144.php''</small> </poem> |} <hr> <poem> Linter ex Hispania vapore motus Revenit in nos Sanctus Nicolaus. Ut equus exsultat in transtris navis, Vid(e), ut agitentur Vexilla ventis! Servus ut cachinnat iam clamans ad hos: Dulces manent mella, sed fasces malos. O, care Vir Sancte et me visita. Ne furtim relicta sit casa nostra. ''Zie de maan schijnt door de bomen'': En per frondem lucet luna, sat rumoris socii! Dulcis Hora vespertina, iam venit Nicolaii(?) l. Corda spe pulsant magna, cui libum, cui ferula (2x) Gaudeamus nunc ludentes, harlequino cum pulchro Et honeste dividentes, dulcia dulciculo Heu, qualis molestia: Non libum, sed ferula (2x) ''Oh kom er eens kijken'': Venite spectare, quid sit in caligula Omnia data a Nicolao... Est puppa cripa crinibus Et vestis vittis omnibus Tres pilae in reticulo E liso littera... Venite spectare, quid sit in caligula Omnia data a Nicolao... ''Paard van sinterklaas:'' Sonitus est ungularum... Dulciter tectum quatit equus Sancti Nicolai.... Pedetemptim procedit Leviter episcopum portat in fastigium (2x) Rapidarum ungularum... sonum semper audio Fessus ludo dum quiesco.... Recubans in lectulo, sanctus ille cum nigro, apparet in somnio (2x) Nullus error equum fallit: Bene scit nam, quo eat. Luna vias illustrante... Numquam ille dubitat Fatigati non potest, sed heu! Mihi hora est (2x) </poem> <hr> ===varia=== <small>'''{{CURRENTDAYNAME}}, {{CURRENTDAY}} {{CURRENTMONTHNAMEGEN}} {{#time:xrY}}'''</small></p> {| class="wikitable" |- |Τῶν δ' ὥς τ' ὀρνίθων πετεηνῶν ἔθνεα πολλὰ <br> χηνῶν ἢ γεράνων ἢ κύκνων δουλιχοδείρων <br> Ἀσίω ἐν λειμῶνι Καϋστρίου ἀμφὶ ῥέεθρα <br> ἔνθα καὶ ἔνθα ποτῶνται ἀγαλλόμενα πτερύγεσσι <br> κλαγγηδὸν προκαθιζόντων, σμαραγεῖ δέ τε λειμών, <br> ||iam uariae pelagi uolucres et quae Asia circum <br> dulcibus in stagnis rimantur prata Caystri— <br> certatim largos umeris infundere rores, <br> nunc caput obiectare fretis, nunc currere in undas <br> et studio incassum uideas gestire lauandi. <br> |} [https://books.google.ru/books?id=5GsIlHMqv7sC&pg=PA212&lpg=PA212&dq=Strophe+ambrosienne&source=bl&ots=metIb7c6-H&sig=w1B0OjNqvKLSBZC7wosxE6e7DFw&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjjlLWekO7fAhUKiaYKHT2AAjEQ6AEwA3oECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=Strophe%20ambrosienne&f=false iambiques] <br> [https://books.google.ru/books?id=3AJxYd689XUC&pg=PA82&lpg=PA82&dq=Stropha+Ambrosiana&source=bl&ots=FVIGG9TicX&sig=fNgPFgmDGbjnRFlFEFtd501-wEE&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjah-SIju7fAhWFFSwKHakoCp4Q6AEwAXoECAUQAQ#v=onepage&q=Stropha%20Ambrosiana&f=false strophe ambrosienne] iambo-trochaïques + quaelibet Schuch [[:s:la:Specialis:Gregum_usorum_potestates|p]] <hr> <small>[[Vicifons:Magistratus|mg nostri]] <br>[https://la.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Specialis:Paginam_restituere&target=Disputatio%3ARésumé+antigone&timestamp=20250402070153 ''écoutez de la musique sinon la musique vous écoutera'']</small> [[Poemata_(Broukhusius)#I._Effigies_Sophiae_magnae_Moscovitarum_Ducis.|quid Broukhusio?]] [[Imago:Loading icon cropped.gif|center|ne credas, haec est imago vana]] lwlwnt5eu9bu39m6ihtz89858z97lq1 276977 276948 2026-08-22T20:03:36Z Demetrius Talpa 13304 /* colores equorum */ 276977 wikitext text/x-wiki [[File:TAGVS.jpg|center|link=Irenes Virginis Lusitanae Martyrium triumphale]] <p style="background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,black,blue,green);padding-bottom:3px;position:fixed;width:100%;top:0;left:0;margin:0;z-index:1"></p>[[Fasciculus:Rhomboederstumpf SketchUp massiv.svg|right|80px|Polyhedron Dureri]] ===versiones=== {| class="wikitable" |zu beiden händen, da||dextra atque sinistra, eo |- |wo die Sterne mir wuchsen, fern||quo stellae mihi creverunt, procul |- |allen Himmeln, nah||caelis omnibus, prope |- |allen Himmeln:||caela omnia: |- |Wie||Ut |- |wacht es sich da! Wie||vigilatur eo! Ut |- |tut sich die Welt uns auf, mitten||mundus nobis aperitur, in medio |- |durch uns!||per nos! |- |&nbsp;||&nbsp; |- |Du bist,||es |- |wo dein Aug ist, du bist||quo oculus est tuus, es |- |oben, bist||supra, es |- |unten, ich||infra, in- |- |finde hinaus.||venio extrorsum. |- |&nbsp;||&nbsp; |- |O diese wandernde leere||О istum vagans vacuum |- |gastliche Mitte. Getrennt,||hospitale medium! Seiunctus |- |fall ich dir zu, fällst||cado ad te, cadis |- |du mir zu, einander||ad me, invicem |- |entfallen, sehn wir||excidimus, desideramus |- |hindurch:||trans: |- |&nbsp;||&nbsp; |- |Das||i- |- |Selbe||dem |- |hat uns||est nobis |- |verloren, das||captum, i- |- |Selbe||dem |- |hat uns||est nostrum |- |vergessen, das||oblitum, i- |- |Selbe||dem |- |hat uns — — ||est nos — — |} {| class="wikitable" |erblindete schon heut:||caeci tamen fiatis hodie: |- |auch die Ewigkeit steht voller Augen —||etiam aeternitas plena oculorum stat — |- |darin||ibi |- |ertrinkt, was den Bildern hinweghalf||demergitur, quod imagines conficere |- |uber den Weg, den sie kamen,||iter, quo adierunt, adiuvit, |- |darin||ibi |- |erlischt, was auch dich aus der Sprache||exstinguitur, quod etiam te e sermone |- |fortnahm mit einer Geste,||uno eripuit gestu, |- |die du geschehn ließt wie||quem fieri permisisti, ut |- |den Tanz zweier Worte aus lauter||duorum verborum choreae e liquido |- |Herbst und Seide und Nichts||autumno et serico et nihilo |} {| class="wikitable" | valign="top" |<poem> Der Stein. Der Stein in der Luft, dem ich folgte. Dein Aug, so blind wie der Stein. Wir waren Hände, wir schöpfen die Finsternis leer, wir fanden das Wort, das den Sommer heraufkam: Blume. Blume - ein Blindenwort. Dein Aug und mein Aug: sie sorgen für Wasser. Wachstum. Herzwand um Herzwand blättert hinzu. Ein Wort noch, wie dies, und die Hämmer schwingen im Freien. </poem> | valign="top" |<poem> Saxum. Saxum in aere, quod sequebar. Oculus tuus, caecus ut saxum. Manus Fuimus, Tenebras usque ad fundum exhausimus, invenimus Verbum, quod aestatem attulit: Flos. Flos est verbum caecum. Oculus tuus et oculus meus: Curant Aquam. Augmen. Pericardium pericardio ut folio circumdatur. Etiam unum verbum, ut haec, et mallei sub caelo aperto coruscant. </poem> |} {| class="wikitable" |ВЕРШИНЫ БЕРЕЗ — С ДЕТСТВА И ДО СИХ ПОР||SVMMIS IN BETVLIS — AB INFANTIA VSQVE ADHVC |- |&nbsp;||&nbsp; |- |будто||an |- |все то же:||semper idem est: |- |&nbsp;||&nbsp; |- |о||o quam |- |затихание — после||silescitur — post |- |шепота||susurrum |- |взгляда||uisumque |- |и слуха —||auditumque — |- |(и я забывал это было всю жизнь забывал колыбельную голосом бывшую чтобы всю жизнь вспоминать колыбельную будто безмолвно-первичную духом меня изначально раскрывшую шириться мне обещая свободно без края) —||(atque obliuiscebar  per totam uitam hoc erat  lallum obliuiscebar quod uox fuerat ut per totam uitam lallum reminiscerer ceu spiritu taciturne principale quod me ab origine aperuisset solutam sine limite pollicens latitudinem) — |- |&nbsp;||&nbsp; |- |о ||о |- |затиханье — (давно уже нет никого):||silescitur — (nemo iamdudum hic est): |- |&nbsp;||&nbsp; |- |воздух — в вершинах:||aer — summis in: |- |&nbsp;||&nbsp; |- |берез||betulis |} <hr> ===colores equorum=== <small>Symeon</small>: *буланый gilvus *вороной niger / ater (''sed melius coracinus'') *воронорыжий pili e rubro atri *воронопегий maculis nigris *вороночалый maculis incanis / ravis *игрений rufus iuba et cauda albicante *гнедой badio colore *каурый ''abest'' *пегий maculosus / maculatus / maculis albis *соловый colore [[:d:Q2002932|isabellae]] / melino *саврасый badio in helvolum transeunte colore, cum iuba et cauda nigra *чалый griseo colore inter alios mixto *чубарый tigridis instar varius <hr> ===[[:w:nl:Sinterklaaslied|sinterklaas]]=== ''Leonis Nellissen collectio, http://www.stilus.nl/liedjes/index.htm'' {| class="wide" style="width:950px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Sinterklaasje kom maar binnen met je knecht''' Sinterklaasje, kom maar binnen met je knecht want we zitten allemaal even recht Misschien heeft u wel even tijd voordat u weer naar Spanje rijdt Sinterklaasje, kom maar even bij ons aan en laat uw paardje maar buiten staan En we zingen en we springen en we zijn zo blij want er zijn geen stoute kind'ren bij En we zingen en we springen en we zijn zo blij want er zijn geen stoute kind'ren bij </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> Sancte Nicola(e), intra cum famulo nam omnes sedemus eleganter Forsan tibi momentum sit antequam reveheris in Hispaniam Sancte Nicolae, ad nos venias paulisper maneat foras equus parvus Et cantamus et salimus et tam gaudemus nam liberi protervi absunt Et cantamus et salimus et tam gaudemus nam liberi protervi absunt </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> <u>Νι</u>κο<u>λά</u>δι<u>ον</u> ἧ<u>κε</u> με<u>τὰ</u> δού<u>λου</u>· ἵζο<u>μεν</u> γὰρ <u>πάν</u>τες ὀρ<u>θῶς</u> αὐ<u>τοῦ</u>. Ὀ<u>λί</u>γον <u>χρό</u>νον <u>ἔ</u>χοις <u>ἄν</u>, πρὶν <u>πά</u>λιν <u>εἰς</u> Ἱσ<u>πα</u>νί<u>αν</u>. <u>Νι</u>κο<u>λά</u>δι<u>ον</u> νῦν <u>πρὸς</u> ἡ<u>μᾶς</u> ἧ<u>κε</u>, ἀλ<u>λὰ</u> τὸν <u>ἵπ</u>πον ἔ<u>ξω</u> λί<u>πε</u>. Καὶ ᾄ<u>δο</u>μεν καὶ πη<u>δῶ</u>μεν, χαίρο<u>μεν</u> μά<u>λα</u>· οὐ γὰρ <u>πάρ</u>εσ<u>τι</u> κα<u>κὰ</u> τέκ<u>να</u>. Καὶ ᾄ<u>δο</u>μεν καὶ πη<u>δῶ</u>μεν, χαίρο<u>μεν</u> μά<u>λα</u>· οὐ γὰρ <u>πάρ</u>εσ<u>τι</u> κα<u>κὰ</u> τέκ<u>να</u>. </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:950px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Sinterklaasje, bonne, bonne, bonne''' Sinterklaasje bonne, bonne, bonne Gooi wat in de regen-regentonne Gooi wat in mijn laarsje Dank u Sinterklaasje </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> Sancte, sancte, bona, bona, bona Pone dona solea in mea Dona et in caliga Magna mea gratia </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> Ἤδη, ἤδη, καλέ, καλέ, καλέ Δῶρα αὐτόθι τίθει κάλλιστα Δῶρα αὐτόθι τίθει ἡσθησόμεθα μέρει </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:4250px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Zie ginds komt de stoomboot''' Zie ginds komt de stoomboot uit Spanje weer aan Hij brengt ons Sint Nicolaas ik zie hem al staan Hoe huppelt zijn paardje het dek op en neer Hoe waaien de wimpels al heen en al weer Zijn knecht staat te lachen en roept ons reeds toe Wie zoet is, krijgt lekkers wie stout is, de roe O lieve Sint Nicolaas denk ook eens aan mij en rijd dan niet stilletjes mijn huisje voorbij </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> I. Vaporea navis ex Hispania Nostrum petit portum, portans omnia Quae bonus Sanctus nobis dare amat Speramus ut mox dona distribuat Petrus comes ridet albis dentibus In manu sinistra est fasciculus In altera tenet profundum saccum </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> II. En illic vaporans ex Hispania Vehens Nicolaum stantem in prora Equus eius albus lascive exsultat Vexillum iam flavum vento fluitat Comes Petrus carus ridens exclamat Impigro ille bona, pravo virgam dat Sancte Nicolae, preces exaudi Noli domum meam clam praetervehi </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> III. Iam navis adventat ex Hispania Vehens Nicolaum stantem in prora Equus eius albus lascive exsultat Vexillum episcopale vento fluitat Petrus iam os suum ridens distorquet Ostenditque saccum, qui nobis feret Multa oblectamenta, multas bonas res Salve, Nicolae, gratus venies </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> IV. Procul advenit navis vaporea portans Nicolaum ex Iberia equo exsultante constrata crepant vexilla festiva vento vento fluitant. Minister ridens exclamat: ‘crustula probis pueris, improbis ferula’. Nicolae care, mei memor sis nec tacitus domum praeterveharis. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> V. Linter ex Hispania vapore motus Revenit in nos Sanctus Nicolaus. Ut equus exsultat in transtris navis, Vid, ut agitentur Vexilla ventis! Comes ut cachinnat iam clamans ad hos: Dulces manent mella, sed fasces malos. O, care Vir Sancte et me visita. Ne furtim relicta sit casa nostra. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> VI Iam navis Hispana nunc appropinquat. Advehit Niclaum; in constrato stat. Ex equo salutat, nobisque arridet, vexilla versantur, suavilla habet. Comesque exsultat, iam nos appellat: qui paret, donatur, qui non, poenas dat. O care Niclae, ad me perveni, noli meam casam clam praetervehi. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> VII. Huc adest navigium ex Hispania Portat Nicolaum stantem in prora Caballus exsultat in navis strato Vexillum fluitat ultro et citro </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> VIII. vide ut iam navis illinc redeat sanctum fert Hispanam proram occupat iam equulus saltat nunc it, nunc redit quam flantur vexilla iam ventus strepit </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> IX. Adventat iam navis ex Hispania vehens Nicolaum stantem in prora. Equus eius albus lascive exsultat. Vexillum iam flavum vento fluitat. Comes Petrus carus ridens exclamat: impigro ille bona, virgam pravo dat. Sancte Nicolae, preces exaudi: domum meam noli clam praetervehi. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> X En hic venit navis e mari rursus. Fert Niclaum nobis, stantem videmus. Ut saltat caballus istuc et tunc huc, ut volant iam pannae alio et illuc. Stat comes in prora promittens multam: bonis quidem dulcia, sed malis virgam. O Sancte amice, o veni ad me nec casam meam praeteri tacite. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> XI En navis vaporans ex Hispania. Adfert Nicolaum, qui stat in prora. Caballus exsultat super constratum. Vexilla moventur sursum deorsum. Ridet eius comes et clamat nobis: malis verbera erunt, iucunda bonis. Care Nicolae, mei memento et noli transvehi, sed sis in domo. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> XII En navis Hispana iam iamqu' adventat vehit nobis Sanctum in prora iam stat. Quam laetus caballus in transtris saltat huc illuc vexilla ventum nobis flat. Astat Petrus ridens clamatque nobis. Bonis nunc est suave sed non improbis. Ad me veni, Sancte, qui pueros amas et casam ne meam clam praetereas! </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> 1 Θεᾶσθε τὸ πλοῖον / ἐξ Ἰβηριᾶς. Φέρει Νικόλαον· / οὐ νὶν ἑώρας; Φαιδρῶς σκιρτᾷ ἵππος / ἐπὶ τῷ πλοίῳ. Κινεῖται σημεῖα / πολὺ γ΄ ἀνέμῳ. Γελᾷ δ΄ὁ οἰκέτης, /ἡμᾶς προσφωνεῖ· ΄Χρηστὸς πράξει καλῶς, /κακὸς ἐκτείσει!΄ Ὦ φίλε Νικόλαε, / μή μου γ΄ ἐπιλαθοῦ, μὴ σῖγα παρέλαυνε / παρ΄ οἰκίαν μου! <small>''(vertaling gemaakt in december 2013 door Stephan van Doren, classicus te Tilburg)''</small> </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:650px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Sinterklaas kapoentje''' Sinterklaas kapoentje Gooi wat in mijn schoentje Gooi wat in mijn laarsje Dank u Sinterklaasje </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> Cappo Nicolae Oro, quiddam iace Mihi in caligulas Ago tibi gratias </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:8150px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Zie de maan schijnt door de bomen''' Zie de maan schijnt door de bomen Makkers staakt uw wild geraas ’t Heerlijk avondje is gekomen ’t Avondje van Sinterklaas Vol verwachting klopt ons hart Wie de koek krijgt, wie de gard O, wat pret zal ’t zijn te spelen Met die bonte harlekijn Eerlijk zullen w’ alles delen Suikergoed en marsepein Maar o wee wat bitt’re smart Kregen wij voor koek een gard Maar ik vrees niet dat wij klagen Vader, moeder zijn zo goed Waren w’ook niet alle dagen Vele waren wij toch zoet Ban dus vrij de vrees van ‘t hart ‘k Wed, er ligt geen enk’le gard </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> I. En, per frondem lucet luna, sat rumoris socii! Dulcis Hora vespertina, iam venit Nicolaii. Corda spe pulsant magna, cui libum, cui ferula Gaudeamus nunc ludentes, harlequino cum pulchro Et honeste dividentes, dulcia dulciculo Heu, qualis molestia: Non libum, sed ferula </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> II. Lucet luna per arbusta. Procul turbae sint ferae. Hora nempe adest augusta. Nicolae feriae. Omnium cor palpitat Libum an virga ferat. Bona fide dividemus Sparsa mox bellaria, Neque inter nos contendimus Picta cui sit pupula. Nam quis nostrum non gemit Virga si cui data sit. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> III. Luna lucet per arbores Iam clamorem mittite Venit vesper ille bonus Nicolae vesper est Quaeque palpitant corda Cui sit crustum, cui virga Valde mox nos delectabit, ille sannio varius. Omn'inter nos partiemur, dulc'et martis panem. Sed dolori maximo, erit virga pro crusto. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> IV. Ecce luna per arbores Comites silete nunc Venit tandem vesper sacer Amici Nicolae Nostrum cor iam palpitat Cui fasces Petrus dat. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> V. Ecce luna per arbores Ne clametis comites Advenit iam vesper bonus Nicolae vesperculus Plenum spei cor pulsat Cui placentam an virgam dat. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> VI. Ecce luna per arbusta: ne tumultuemini! Vesper dulcis nunc advenit, vespera Nicolai. Cor expectans palpitat, quem donet, quem puniat. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> VII. Ecce, luna clara lucet pueri, quiescite! Nicolaas vir sanctus venit laeti nunc attendite! palpitat iam cor meum poena sit an praemium. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> VIII. Per arbores luna lucet, finem facte strepitus; venit vespera hilaris vespera Nicolai! Plena spei sunt corda, utrum crusta an ferula </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> IX Lucet luna per arbusta, comites, silentium! Venit vespera venusta, Niclai crepusculum! Corque nostrum palpitat, quemnam probet, quem premat. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> X Ecce luna per arbores; sodales silentium! Venit vesper dulcies ille vesper Sancti Nicolai. Cor nostrum percutitur, cui sint fasces, cuique non. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> XI Vide lunam per arbores Ne strepatis pueri. Venit versperclus beatus, Vesperclus Nicolai. Pulsant corda plena spe Cui detur, cui ne! </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> XII Ecce luna, io! Per ramos, Finiamus strepitum. Vesper nunc est iam divinus, Vesper est Nicolai. Plenum spei cor micat, Liba an virga obveniat. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> XIII Luna splendet per arbores; Sanctum sit silentium! Vesper est, quo exspectamus Nicolaum Dominum. Palpitans cor rogitat, Dona det an puniat. Quantum gaudium praebebit pupa haec ludentibus! Sine rixa dividemus crustula cum dulcibus. Sed, o rem horribilem, virgam si acciperem. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> XIV Ecce, lunam per arbores, sociii, tacete nunc! Vespera amoena venit, vespera Nicolai! Plena spei corda sunt: dabit virgam an libum. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> XV En per silvam lucet luna. Nunc finite strepitum! Vesper voluptate summa Facit Sancti reditum. Nostra mens est trepida, dulcia dentur an virga. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> XVI Lucet luna per arbusta, nunc tacete pueri! Venit vespera venusta, Vespera Nicolai. Cor expectans palpitat, libum an virgam ferat. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> XVII. Luna splendet in arbusto, mitte, comes, strepitum. Vesper dulcis appetivit, Santi Nicolaidum. Anxia cor spe salit, cui libum, cui virga sit. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> XVIII. clara lucet, ecce, luna audiatur nulla vox. nox advenit speciosa Nicolai sacra nox. trepidans cor rogitat quidnam quemque maneat. et cum Macco colorato quae habebo gaudia. dividemus sine dolo bella et cuppedia. sed quid si, me miserum, manet nos supplicium. sed non erit quod queramur pater mater sunt boni. ut non semper videamur saepe sumus integri. requiesci nunc potest poena non timenda est <small>''VARIA alternatieve regel 2: strepitum omittite''</small> </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> 1. διὰ δένδρων ἡ σελήνη· ἅλις, φίλοι, θορύβου! ἦλθεν ἑσπέρα ἡ κλεινή, ἑσπέρα Νικολάου! πάλλεται καρδία δή· τίνι πέμμα, τίνι μή. ἕξει τὸ μέρος ἕκαστος, τρωκτέα καὶ ἁπαλά· ποικίλος ὁ Νευρόσπαστος παίξεται πηδήματα· ἀλλ’, αἰαῖ, οἷον πάθος ῥαπὶς ἀντὶ πέμματος! ἀλλ’ οὐ μὴ νῦν αἰάζωμεν· χρηστοὶ πάππα καὶ μάμμα· πάντ’ εἰ μὴ καλῶς ἐδρῶμεν, πλεῖστά γ’ ἦν ἐπαινετά. μὴ φοβοῦ, παῖ, ῥαπίδος οὐδεὶς ἔσται ἄξιος! </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> 2. διὰ δένδρων ἡ σελήνη λήξατε τοῦ θορύβου ἡ καλὴ ἑσπέρα ἥκει ἁγίου Νικολάου ἡμῖν ἦτορ πάλλεται τίνι πέμμα βάλλεται. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> 3. διὰ δένδρων ἡ σελήνη νῦν παύσασθε θορύβου ἧκ’ ἡ ἑσπέρα ἡ καλὴ ἑσπέρα Νικολάου πλέων ἦτορ ἐλπίδος τίς εὐδαίμων, τίς κακός. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> 4. διὰ δένδρων ἡ σελήνη παῖδες, σχέσθε θορύβου! ἥκει ἡ ἑσπέρα ἡδεῖα, ἑσπέρα Νικολάου. πάλλεται καρδία δή, τίνι πέμμα, τίνι μή. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> 5. διὰ δένδρων, εἰσορᾶτε, ἡ σελήνη φαίνεται· Νικολάου, σιωπᾶτε, ἑσπέρα προσέρχεται. ἐλπίζουσι κῆρ ἀεὶ πέμμ’ ἢ ῥάβδον τίς ἕξει. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> 6. ἰδοὺ σελήνη διὰ δένδρων παῖδες παύσασθε τῆς κραυγῆς ἑσπέρα γὰρ ἧκεν ἡμῖν ἁγίου Νικολάου τῇ ἐλπίδι κῆρ τρομεῖ τίνι πλακοῦς ἢ κακόν. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> 7. ἡ σελήνη διὰ δένδρων φαίνεται, σιγᾶτε οὖν ἥκει γὰρ ἑσπέρα λαμπρὰ ἁγίου Νικολάου μεστὸν ὁρᾶτε δώρων σάκκον καλῶν καὶ λαμπρῶν. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> 8. ἰδοὺ σελήνη διὰ δένδρων. φίλε, τῆς βοῆς παύου. ἑσπέρα ἡδεῖα ἦλθεν, ἑσπέρα Νικολάου. ἐλπίδι πατάσσει κῆρ, ἢ μάστιξ ἢ ἐλατήρ; ἐλπίδι πατάσσει κῆρ, ἢ μάστιξ ἢ ἐλατήρ; </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:650px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Zachtjes gaan de paardenvoetjes''' Zachtjes gaan de paardenvoetjes Stippe, stappe, stippe, stap ’t Is het paard van Sinterklaasje Trippel, trappel, trippel, trap ’t Schimmeltje draagt met gemak Sinterklaasje over ‘t dak ’k Hoor de vlugge paardenvoetjes Stippe, stappe, stippe, stap In mijn lekker warme bedje Trippel, trappel, trippel, trap En ik droom van Sinterklaas En zijn goede Pieterbaas ’t Paardje kan de weg wel vinden Trippel, trappel, trippel, trap In het held’re maneschijntje Stippe, stappe, stippe, stap ’t Paardje is nog lang niet moe Maar ik moet naar bedje toe </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> Sonitus fit ungularum Dulciter tectum quatit Equus Sancti Nicolae Pedetemptim procedit Leviter episcopum Portat in fastigium Rapidarum ungularum Sonum semper audio Fessus ludo dum quiesco Recubans in lectulo Sanctus ille cum Petro Apparet in somnio Nullus error equum fallit Bene scit nam, quo eat Luna vias illustrante Numquam ille dubitat Fatigari non potest Sed heu! mihi hora est </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:1550px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Oh kom er eens kijken''' Oh kom er eens kijken wat ik in mijn schoentje vind alles gekregen van die goede Sint: een pop met vlechten in het haar. een snoezig jurkje kant en klaar, twee kaatsenballen in een net een letter van banket. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> I Venite spectare, quid sit in caligula Omnia data a Nicolao... Est puppa cripa crinibus Et vestis vittis omnibus Tres pilae in reticulo E liso littera... </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> II O! Veni et vide Quae mi sint in calceo! Omnia accepta ab episcopo! Comptis orinibus pupulam, Vestem pulchram et nitidam, Sphaeras in reti duas Et tostas litteras! </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> III. Io spectate, quid inveni in calceo, mihi donatum a sancto viro: pupillam comptis crinibus et stolam arte consertam tum duas pilas in rete et litteram placentae! </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> IV O veni videre, quid in mea caligula sit: omnia mi dedit Sanctus nomine “Sint”. Vestés plurímae pretíosae, specúla, gémmae, margáritae, elévatór delapsí vultus, marítus dívitissímus! O veni videre, quid in mea caligula sit: omnia mi dedit Sanctus nomine “Sint”. Appáratús computábilis, procúl-parlátor, quam hábilis, in hórto bálnea ád nandum et automobíle propríum! </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:1550px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Sinterklaas is jarig ''' (versio serena) Sinterklaas is jarig ik zet mijn schoentje klaar ’licht dat hij het vol doet, met, ja, wist ik het maar. Hier zet ik wat water, daar wat hooi voor het paard, want dat trouwe beestje is dat heus wel waard. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> I Dei Nicolai calceum paro; farciatur donis mihi nescio. Aliquid avenae et faeni pono equo tam fideli, bene merito </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> II Natalis est Sancti, calceum posui. Pleri eum volo aliquo ignoti. Hic equo avenam stipulamque pono. Nam caballus fidus dignus est hoc cibo. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> '''Sinterklaas is jarig ''' (versio nigra) Sinterklaas is jarig zet hem op de pot o wat zal hij stinken doe de deur op slot De goede Piet kwam kijken met een stuk papier en hij zei heel zachtjes: "O, wat stinkt het hier!" </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> Natalis est Sancti, faecem nunc faciat. Quem odorem sparget, porta non pateat. Petrus carus portat magnam chartae partem ac secum susurrat: “Amittam nasonem!” </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:1550px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Daar wordt aan de deur geklopt''' Daar wordt aan de deur geklopt, zacht geklopt, hard geklopt. Daar wordt aan de deur geklopt. Wie zou dat zijn ? Wees maar gerust mijn kind. Ik ben een goede vrind. Ook als ik soms straffen moet, ’k Meen het toch goed. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> I Ianua nunc pellitur fortiter, leviter. Ianua nunc pellitur quis aderit? Marce, metus fini amicus sum tibi. Ianua pellitur quis aderit? </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> II Ianua nunc pellitur Fortiter, leviter. Ianua nunc pellitur, Quis aderit? Parce metu, fili, Sum amicus tibi, Nonnumquam punio Sed corde bono! </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> III Ianua hic tunditur molliter, fortiter. Ianua hic tunditur, quicumque sit. Corda, liberi, sursum, bonus amicus sum. Nonnumquam punio Sed corde bono. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> 1. τίς πατάσσει ἐν πύλῃ, ἐν πύλῃ, ἐν πύλῃ; τίς πατάσσων ἐν πύλῃ ἐστὶν ἐκεῖ; ὦ φίλε, μὴ τάρβει, καλὸς φίλος μου εἶ. ἔχων λυπηρὸν ῥάβδον καὶ ὥς σ’ ἀγαπῶ. </poem> |} cf. [[Ianua nunc pellitur]] {| class="wide" style="width:1550px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Hoor wie klopt daar kinderen''' Hoor wie klopt daar kind’ren Hoor wie klopt daar kind’ren Hoor wie tikt daar zachtjes tegen ‘t raam ’t Is een vreemd’ling zeker Die verdwaald is zeker ’k Zal hem gauw eens vragen naar zijn naam Sint Nicolaas, Sint Nicolaas Brengt ons vanavond een bezoek En strooit dan wat lekkers In d’ één of andere hoek </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> I. En quis pulsat ibi? En quis pulsat ibi? En quis pulsat nostram ianuam? Certe barbarus est, qui erravit certe. Nomen eius modo perquiram. Nicolae, Nicolae, visita nos hoc vespero, et fer nobis dulcia, in angul’aliquo. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> II. Quisnam pulsat - audi - protinus tam leve, fenestram nostram leve pulsat? Advena pro certo, peregrinus quidam: aperi iam, nomen tum roga. Nicolae, Nicolae, nos vesperi sis visita et bona disperge per angulos tua. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> III. Quisnam pulsat, pueri, quisnam hanc fenestram tetigit? Peregrinus, scilicet, qui hic errat, scilicet, aperit(e) et nomen rogemus: Nicolaus, Nicolaus convenit nos hoc vespero et dulcia dispergit in domus angulos. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> IV Quis hic pulsat, liberi? Quis hic pulsat, liberi? Molliter pulsat hic fenestram. Non est notus iste, peregrinus certe, nomen eius breviter petam. Sanct’ Nicola’, Sanct’ Nicola’, non praeteri hac in vespera et sparge dulcia per tectum aliqua. </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:650px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Hoor de wind waait door de bomen''' Hoor de wind waait door de bomen Hier in huis zelfs waait de wind Zou de goede Sint wel komen Nu hij ’t weer zo lelijk vindt Nu hij ’t weer zo lelijk vindt. Ja hij rijdt in donk’re nachten Op zijn paardje, o zo snel Als hij wist hoe w’ hem verwachten Ja gewis dan kwam hij wel Ja gewis dan kwam hij wel </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> Flat tempestas per arbores quoque domi ventus flat. Veniatne Vir Sanctus, cum tempus tam malum putat. Equo vehitur per noctem obscuram celeriter. Si nosset, ut exspectemus veniret velociter. </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:650px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Hij komt, hij komt''' Hij komt, hij komt, de lieve goede Sint, Mijn beste vrind, uw beste vrind De vrind van ieder kind! Mijn hartje klopt, mijn hartje klopt zo blij Wat brengt hij mij, en wat brengt hij u </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> Venit, venit, venit Nicolaus amicus omnium puerorum longe optimus. Palpitat cor, palpitat cor laete rogitans, quid ferat ad te, et quid ferat ad me. </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:650px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Goede Piet ging uit fietsen''' Goede Piet ging uit fietsen, toen knapte zijn band. Toen moest hij gaan lopen, met de fiets aan zijn hand. Hij kwam in 'n dorpje, en zei tegen de smid: 'k Geloof dat er in mijn achterband een pepernootje zit. De smid moest toen lachen en plakte zijn band. Toen kon Piet weer fietsen door heel Nederland. Och jongens en meisjes let nu toch eens op! Misschien zie je Piet wel fietsen met Sint achterop. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> Petrus carus in rotis. Heu subito: pang pang! Tunc pedibus ibat per totam terram. Ad villam perveniens ferrario dixit: “In posteriore rota nux piperis mi sit.” Ferrarius ridens damnum refecit. Nunc rursus in rotis Petrus circumit. Pueri, puellae, attenti sitis. Sit post Petrum Sanctus sedens in rotis. </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:650px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Dag Sinterklaasje''' Dag, Sinterklaasje, daag, daag, daag, beste Piet. Dag, Sinterklaasje, daag, daag, luister naar ons welkomslied. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> Vale Nicolae, vale, vale. Vale, vale, care Petre. Vale Nicolae, vale, vale. Em cantum valedicentem. </poem> |} {| class="wide" style="width:650px;"| | valign="top" style="width:350px;"| <poem> '''Ad Sanctum Nicolaum''' Nicolai solemnia Canit praesens familia: Ille puer amabilis, In omnibus laudabilis Gaude, gaude, gaude, gaude, Gaude, Pater Nicolae. Quarta et sexta Feria Semel sugebat ubera: Iam in aetate tenera Usus est abstinentia. Gaude, gaude, gaude, gaude, Gaude, Pater Nicolae. Qui vagitus infantiæ Decoravit mirifice, Dans virtutis primordia, Inter ortus crepundia. Gaude, gaude, gaude, gaude, Gaude, Pater Nicolae. Exultet aula coelica, Laetetur mundi machina, Dum refert solis orbita Nicolai solemnia. Gaude, gaude, gaude, gaude, Gaude, Pater Nicolae. Benedicamus Domino, Qui regnat in altissimo: Deo dicamus gratias. Qui finis est et charitas. Gaude, gaude, gaude, gaude, Gaude, Pater Nicolae. </poem> | valign="top" style="width:300px;"| <poem> Op het feest van Sinterklaas zingt de familie die aanwezig is: de bekende beminnelijke jongen verdient in alles lof. Wees blij, wees blij, wees blij, wees blij, wees blij, vader Nicolaas. Op woens- en vrijdagen zoog hij altijd éénmaal aan de borst: al op jonge leeftijd hield hij zich aan onthouding. Wees blij, enzovoorts. En hij versierde zijn kindergekrijs verbazingwekkend: hij liet het begin van zijn aanleg zien, na zijn geboorte, tussen de rammelaars. Wees blij, enzovoorts. Laat het hemelse paleis juichen, laat de schepping zich verheugen, wanneer de baan van de zon het feest van Sinterklaas terugbrengt. Wees blij, enzovoorts. Laten wij de Heer prijzen, die heerst in het allerhoogste, laten wij God danken, die de voltooiïng en de naastenliefde is. Wees blij, enzovoorts. <small>''Uit: Het prieel der gheestelicker melodiie, Antwerpen 1617, pagina 279-281, met notenbalk https://www.dbnl.org/tekst/_pri008prie01_01/_pri008prie01_01_0144.php''</small> </poem> |} <hr> <poem> Linter ex Hispania vapore motus Revenit in nos Sanctus Nicolaus. Ut equus exsultat in transtris navis, Vid(e), ut agitentur Vexilla ventis! Servus ut cachinnat iam clamans ad hos: Dulces manent mella, sed fasces malos. O, care Vir Sancte et me visita. Ne furtim relicta sit casa nostra. ''Zie de maan schijnt door de bomen'': En per frondem lucet luna, sat rumoris socii! Dulcis Hora vespertina, iam venit Nicolaii(?) l. Corda spe pulsant magna, cui libum, cui ferula (2x) Gaudeamus nunc ludentes, harlequino cum pulchro Et honeste dividentes, dulcia dulciculo Heu, qualis molestia: Non libum, sed ferula (2x) ''Oh kom er eens kijken'': Venite spectare, quid sit in caligula Omnia data a Nicolao... Est puppa cripa crinibus Et vestis vittis omnibus Tres pilae in reticulo E liso littera... Venite spectare, quid sit in caligula Omnia data a Nicolao... ''Paard van sinterklaas:'' Sonitus est ungularum... Dulciter tectum quatit equus Sancti Nicolai.... Pedetemptim procedit Leviter episcopum portat in fastigium (2x) Rapidarum ungularum... sonum semper audio Fessus ludo dum quiesco.... Recubans in lectulo, sanctus ille cum nigro, apparet in somnio (2x) Nullus error equum fallit: Bene scit nam, quo eat. Luna vias illustrante... Numquam ille dubitat Fatigati non potest, sed heu! Mihi hora est (2x) </poem> <hr> ===varia=== <small>'''{{CURRENTDAYNAME}}, {{CURRENTDAY}} {{CURRENTMONTHNAMEGEN}} {{#time:xrY}}'''</small></p> {| class="wikitable" |- |Τῶν δ' ὥς τ' ὀρνίθων πετεηνῶν ἔθνεα πολλὰ <br> χηνῶν ἢ γεράνων ἢ κύκνων δουλιχοδείρων <br> Ἀσίω ἐν λειμῶνι Καϋστρίου ἀμφὶ ῥέεθρα <br> ἔνθα καὶ ἔνθα ποτῶνται ἀγαλλόμενα πτερύγεσσι <br> κλαγγηδὸν προκαθιζόντων, σμαραγεῖ δέ τε λειμών, <br> ||iam uariae pelagi uolucres et quae Asia circum <br> dulcibus in stagnis rimantur prata Caystri— <br> certatim largos umeris infundere rores, <br> nunc caput obiectare fretis, nunc currere in undas <br> et studio incassum uideas gestire lauandi. <br> |} [https://books.google.ru/books?id=5GsIlHMqv7sC&pg=PA212&lpg=PA212&dq=Strophe+ambrosienne&source=bl&ots=metIb7c6-H&sig=w1B0OjNqvKLSBZC7wosxE6e7DFw&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjjlLWekO7fAhUKiaYKHT2AAjEQ6AEwA3oECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=Strophe%20ambrosienne&f=false iambiques] <br> [https://books.google.ru/books?id=3AJxYd689XUC&pg=PA82&lpg=PA82&dq=Stropha+Ambrosiana&source=bl&ots=FVIGG9TicX&sig=fNgPFgmDGbjnRFlFEFtd501-wEE&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjah-SIju7fAhWFFSwKHakoCp4Q6AEwAXoECAUQAQ#v=onepage&q=Stropha%20Ambrosiana&f=false strophe ambrosienne] iambo-trochaïques + quaelibet Schuch [[:s:la:Specialis:Gregum_usorum_potestates|p]] <hr> <small>[[Vicifons:Magistratus|mg nostri]] <br>[https://la.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Specialis:Paginam_restituere&target=Disputatio%3ARésumé+antigone&timestamp=20250402070153 ''écoutez de la musique sinon la musique vous écoutera'']</small> [[Poemata_(Broukhusius)#I._Effigies_Sophiae_magnae_Moscovitarum_Ducis.|quid Broukhusio?]] [[Imago:Loading icon cropped.gif|center|ne credas, haec est imago vana]] coi6741lfwh7u5olxsoyeqbhnxsgn48 0 31294 276946 224681 2026-08-22T16:01:50Z SZC 03 22335 276946 wikitext text/x-wiki {{TextQuality|75%}} {{titulus2 |Scriptor=Saliba Acconensis |OperaeTitulus= Testamentum Salibae |OperaeWikiPagina= Testamentum Salibae |Annus= 1264 |SubTitulus= |Genera=Documenta historica |Editio=J. Delaville le Roulx, ''Cartulaire général de l’Ordre des Hospitaliers de S. Jean de Jérusalem, 1100-1310'', vol. 3 (Paris, Ernst Leroux, 1899), no. 3105, p. 91-92 |Fons=[http://purl.pt/28965/3/hg-7428-a/hg-7428-a_item3/index.html#/96 Biblioteca Nacional de Portugal] }} TESTAMENTUM SALIBAE 3105. – 16 septembre 1264, Acre. Saliba, bourgeois d’Acre et confrère de l’Hôpital, lègue par testament à l’Hôpital une maison à Acre, divers legs à diverses personnes, et institute Étienne de Meses, grand-commandeur de l’Hôpital, en qualité d’héritier. Source: Malte, Arch. de l’ordre, div. 1, anc. vol. 7 (auj. perdu), no. 12 (orig.) – Texte: Pauli, Cod. dipl., I, 263. In nomine Domini, amen. Anno incarnationis ejusdem millesimo ducentesimo sexagesimo quarto, mense septembri, sexto decimo die mensis ejusdem, octave indictionis, in presencia notarii et testium infrascriptorum. Notum sit omnibus, tam presentibus quam futuris, quod ego Saliba, burgensis Accon, confrater Hospitalis sancti Joannis Hierosolimitani, licet infirmus corpore, sanus tamen mente, et in mea bona et sana memoria existens, de bonis et rebus meis facio ac ordino testamentum meum nuncupatum, seu meam ultimam voluntatem in hunc modum. In primis quidem peto habitum dicti Hospitalis sancti Joannis Hierosolimitani, si me mori contigerit ex ista egritudine, et lego de dictis bonis et rebus meis, pro anima mea et remissione peccatorum meorum, magistro dicti Hospitalis sancti Joannis Hierosolimitani quamdam domum, sitam in burgo Templi, que mihi constitit quadringentos et septuaginta quinque bisantios Saracenatos. Item accipio de dictis bonis et rebus meis, pro exequiis meis faciendis, si me mori contingeret ex ista egritudine, bisantios duodecim Saracenatos. Item labori civitatis Acconensis viginti quinque bisantios. Item lego pro uno cappellano, qui cantare debeat pro anima mea remissione peccatorum meorum per annum in ecclesia B. Laurentii Acconensis, viginta sex bisantios Saracenatos. Item, ad preparandum tarraciam ecclesie B. Laurentii supradicti, quinque bisantios. Item sorori mee Nayme, centum quinquaginta bisantios Saracenatos. Item Isabelle, filiastre mee, filie quondam Stephani, trescentos bisantios Saracenatos. Item Kateline, filie mee, centum quinquaginta bisantios Saracenatos. Item Leonardo, nepoti meo, viginti bisancios. Item Thomasino, nepoti meo, viginti bisancios. Item alii nepoti meo Georgio, viginti bisancios. Item Sarquisio, viginti bisancios. Item filio Sarquisii, quinque bisancios. Item lego domine Viste, nepti mee, viginti bisancios. Item filie Georgii, decem bisancios. Item Caolfe, nepti mee, viginti bisancios. Item Dominico, nepoti meo, quinque bisancios. Item quinque filiis Bedere, viginti bisancios, scilicet cuilibet eorum quatuor bisancios. Item d[omine] Laurencie, decem bisancios. Item volo et precipio quod Nicholaus, Bonaventura, Leonardinus et Isabellon[us], filii quondam fratris mei (f.) Stephani, habeant, et eis tradatur per executores et fideicommissarios meos ac distributores infrascriptos, totum illud vinum, quod emi pro octigentis bisanciis Saracenatis. Item volo et jubeo quod dicti Nicholaus, Bonaventura, Leonardus et Isabellon[us] habere debeant centum et tresdecim bisantios Saracenatos et decem libras regalium Acconensium; quod bisancios et quas decem libras habui et recepi de dicto vino. Item lego Bedere viginti quinque bisancios Saracenatos. Item hospitali de S. Spiritu, tres bisancios. Item Agneti et sororibus suis, quinquaginta bisancios. Item fratribus Predicatoribus, quinque bisancios, Item fratribus Minoribus, quinque bisancios. Item B. Marie Magdalene, duos bisancios. Item sororibus Repentitarum, duos bisancios. Item fratribus Carmeli, quinque bisancios. Item misellis S. Lazarii, sex bisancios. Item hospitali S. Antonii, tres bisancios. Item S. Trinitati, tres bisancios. Item S. Brigide, duos bisancios. Item hospitali S. Kateline, duos bisancios. Item B. Marie Provincialis, duos bisancios. Item Marie, baptizate mee, quadraginta bisancios Saracenatos. Item manumitto Ametum, sclavum meum, et Sofiam, sclavam meam, et jubeo dictos Ametum et Sofiam Christianos esse. Si me mori contigerit ex ista infirmitate, in omnibus aliis bonis et rebus meis, mobilibus et immobilibus, juribus et actionibus, quaecumque et ubicumque fuerint, fratrem Stephanum de Meses, magnum preceptorem dicti Hospitalis sancti Joannis Hierosolimitani, mihi heredem meum instituo, et volo et precipio quod omnia bona mea et res meas, mobiles et immobiles, quecumque fuerint et ubicumue ad manus dicti fratris Stephani de Meses, magni preceptoris dicti Hospitalis sancti Joannis Hierosolimitani, heredis mei, debeant pervenire. Et constituto executores et fideicommissarios meos ac distributores, ad omnia et singula supradicta facienda, dictum fratrem Stephanum de Meses, magnum preceptorem dicti Hospitalis sancti Joannis Hierosolimitani, Bernardum Petri Pisani, et Guillelmi [sic] de Morta, Januensis [sic]; et jubeo dictis executoribus et fideicommissariis meis ac distributoribus ut solvere debeant omnia legata superius nominata de dictis bonis et rebus meis personis supradictis. Et hanc meam ultimam voluntatem et nuncupativum testamentum meum specialiter esse jubeo; quod si dictum testamentum non valeret jure testamenti, volo saltim quod valeat jure codicillorum vel cujuslibet ultime voluntatis. Actum Accon, in platea S. Johannis, in domo dicti Hospitalis sancti Joannis Hierusalem, in qua dictus Saliba jacebat infirmus. Presentibus: fratre Thoma Mausu, preceptore volte sancti Joannis Iherosolimitani supradicti; Jacobo de Messana; Bonaventura de Fabriano; Petro, filio quondam Michaelis Calderarii; Georgio, nepote dicti testatoris, et Marineto, baptizato Salibe testatoris predicti, testibus de premissis ad hoc specialiter rogatis et vocatis. Ego Girardus Bonisani, auctoritate sacrosancte Romane ecclesie judex et notarius puplicus et communis Massiliensis in Accon constitutus, predictis omnibus interfui, et de mandato dicti testatoris scripsi, et in hanc publicam formam redegi. <references/> {{finis}} t7vjlazxrooall4chtrbk4kuy5v6dru 0 56460 277000 227631 2026-08-22T21:29:53Z SZC 03 22335 277000 wikitext text/x-wiki {{titulus |Scriptor= |OperaeTitulus=Carmen Saliare |Annus=saeculo VIII a.C.n. |Liber=Fragmenta Poetarum Latinorum Epicorum et Lyricorum (ed. Morel).djvu |Editio=ex ''Fragmenta poetarum Latinorum epicorum et lyricorum'', Stutgardae, in aedibus Teubnerii, 1943 |Recensor=Villelmus Morel |Genera=Carmina }} <pages index="Fragmenta Poetarum Latinorum Epicorum et Lyricorum (ed. Morel).djvu" from=11 to=15 fromsection=s1 tosection=s1/> aa5vcqbbc8btwc2ak6dybihikfgw9ha 2 66965 276917 276022 2026-08-22T12:26:43Z SZC 03 22335 276917 wikitext text/x-wiki <p align="center" style="font-size: 140%; font-family: serif;">GUTTA CAVAT LAPIDEM, <br>NON VI SED SAEPE CADENDO.</p> == Quaedam opera quae trascripsi == *[[Micrologus]] [[Scriptor:Guido Aretinus|Guidonis Aretini]] (s. XI) *[[Liber de pomo]] [[Scriptor:Pseudo-Aristoteles|Pseudo-Aristotelis]] (int. s. XIII) *[[Dialogi ad Petrum Histrum]] [[Scriptor:Leonardus Aretinus|Leonardi Aretini]] (s. XV) *[[De motu]] [[Scriptor:Galilaeus Galilaei|Galilaei Galilaei]] (s. XVI) *[[Euripus]] [[Scriptor:Marcus Antonius de Dominis|Marci Antonii de Dominis]] (s. XVII) erestohz653ya54acxhh6fv845bzijh 104 67701 276920 229684 2026-08-22T13:18:28Z SZC 03 22335 /* Proofread */ 276920 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="SZC 03" />{{ct|– 10 –}}</noinclude>proportio cordae dupli arcus ''au'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ud'' composita ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''ae'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''eb'' et ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''bk'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''kd''. {{pt|(Fig. 4.)}} {{pt|&#160;|{{ct|[[file:Björnbo Thabits Werk über den Transversalensatz (Fig.4).svg|class=skin-invert-image|300px]]}}}}<!-- -->Omnium autem sex quantitatum quarum primae proportio ad secundum componitur ex proportione tertiae ad quartam et ex proportione quintae ad sextam, erit proportio tertiae ad quartam composita ex proportione primae ad secundam et ex proportione sextae ad quintam, quemadmodum ostendam in sequentibus<ref>Bj. hat hier ein Stück weit nicht mit E kollationiert, wie er in einer Note bemerkt.</ref>. Ergo proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ae'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''eb'' componitur ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''au'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ud'' et ex proporione cordae dupli arcus ''kd'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''kb''. Corda autem dupli arcus ''kd'' est corda dupli arcus ''gd'', et corda dupli arcus ''kb'' est corda dupli arcus ''gb''; ergo proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ae'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''eb'' componitur ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''au'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ud'' et ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''gd'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''gb''. Et illud est quod demonstrare voluimus. Quod si fuerit linea ''bd'' aequidistans lineae ''zg'', tunc linea ''ht'' erit aequidistans lineae ''bd'', quoniam si non fuerit aequidistans ei, tunc ''zg'' non aequidistabit ''bd'', sed ''zg'' fuit aequidistans ''bd''. Et si esset linea ''ht'' non aequidistans duabus lineis ''bd zg'', concurreret eis, et esset cum eis in superficie una. Res autem non est sic, duae igitur lineae ''ht bd'' aequidistant, et propter illud erit proportio ''ah'' ad ''hb'' sicut proportio ''at'' ad ''td''; proportio autem ''ah'' ad ''hb'' est sicut proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ae'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''eb'', et proportio ''at'' ad ''td'' est sicut proportio cordae dupli arcus ''au'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ud''; corda autem dupli arcus ''gd'' est aequalis cordae dupli arcus ''bg'', linea enim ''bd'' aequidistat lineae ''gz''; ergo proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ae'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''eb'' componitur ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''au'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ud'' et ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''gd'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''bg''. § 5. Et postquam iam ostensum est illud, tunc declarabitur ex eo quod diximus secundum modum compositionis, quod erit proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ab'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''eb'' composita ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''ad'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''du'' et ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''ug'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ge''; quod sic probatur: Producam enim duos arcus ''ab ad'', donec concurrant supra punctum ''z''; erunt itaque ''abz adz'' duo semicirculi; et tunc iam secabunt se inter duos arcus ''ze eg'' duo arcus ''zu gb'' supra punctum ''d''; ergo proportio cordae dupli arcus ''zb'' ad cordam dupli arcus<noinclude><!--nop--> {{rule}} <references/></noinclude> aep3t0x9ddoh7m9r474amhc72yvt6a3 276921 276920 2026-08-22T13:31:31Z SZC 03 22335 276921 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="SZC 03" />{{ct|– 10 –}}</noinclude>proportio cordae dupli arcus ''au'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ud'' composita ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''ae'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''eb'' et ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''bk'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''kd''. {{pt|(Fig. 4.)}} {{pt|&#160;|{{ct|[[file:Björnbo Thabits Werk über den Transversalensatz (Fig.4).svg|class=skin-invert-image|300px]]}}}} Omnium autem sex quantitatum quarum primae proportio ad secundum componitur ex proportione tertiae ad quartam et ex proportione quintae ad sextam, erit proportio tertiae ad quartam composita ex proportione primae ad secundam et ex proportione sextae ad quintam, quemadmodum ostendam in sequentibus<ref>Bj. hat hier ein Stück weit nicht mit E kollationiert, wie er in einer Note bemerkt.</ref>. Ergo proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ae'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''eb'' componitur ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''au'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ud'' et ex proporione cordae dupli arcus ''kd'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''kb''. Corda autem dupli arcus ''kd'' est corda dupli arcus ''gd'', et corda dupli arcus ''kb'' est corda dupli arcus ''gb''; ergo proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ae'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''eb'' componitur ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''au'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ud'' et ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''gd'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''gb''. Et illud est quod demonstrare voluimus. Quod si fuerit linea ''bd'' aequidistans lineae ''zg'', tunc linea ''ht'' erit aequidistans lineae ''bd'', quoniam si non fuerit aequidistans ei, tunc ''zg'' non aequidistabit ''bd'', sed ''zg'' fuit aequidistans ''bd''. Et si esset linea ''ht'' non aequidistans duabus lineis ''bd zg'', concurreret eis, et esset cum eis in superficie una. Res autem non est sic, duae igitur lineae ''ht bd'' aequidistant, et propter illud erit proportio ''ah'' ad ''hb'' sicut proportio ''at'' ad ''td''; proportio autem ''ah'' ad ''hb'' est sicut proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ae'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''eb'', et proportio ''at'' ad ''td'' est sicut proportio cordae dupli arcus ''au'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ud''; corda autem dupli arcus ''gd'' est aequalis cordae dupli arcus ''bg'', linea enim ''bd'' aequidistat lineae ''gz''; ergo proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ae'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''eb'' componitur ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''au'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ud'' et ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''gd'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''bg''. § 5. Et postquam iam ostensum est illud, tunc declarabitur ex eo quod diximus secundum modum compositionis, quod erit proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ab'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''eb'' composita ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''ad'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''du'' et ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''ug'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ge''; quod sic probatur: Producam enim duos arcus ''ab ad'', donec concurrant supra punctum ''z''; erunt itaque ''abz adz'' duo semicirculi; et tunc iam secabunt se inter duos arcus ''ze eg'' duo arcus ''zu gb'' supra punctum ''d''; ergo proportio cordae dupli arcus ''zb'' ad cordam dupli arcus<noinclude><!--nop--> {{rule}} <references/></noinclude> 8tpioja0htujp1cf0nnz5bkoy58p3fg 102 67704 276935 258978 2026-08-22T14:45:22Z SZC 03 22335 /* Opera */ 276935 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Scriptor |Natio=Arabus |PostNationem= |Alias=Thābit ibn Qurra }} ==Opera== * [[De anno solis]] * [[De hiis quae indigent expositione antequam legatur Almagestum]] ([[Scriptor:Gerardus Cremonensis|Gerardo Cremonensi]] interprete) * [[De imaginibus spere et circulorum eius]] * [[De motu octave spere]] (sive De accessione et recessione; [[Scriptor:Gerardus Cremonensis|Gerardo Cremonensi]] interprete) * [[De quantitate stellarum]] * [[De recta imaginatione caelestis sphaerae]] * [[De tribus imaginibus magicis]] ([https://books.google.it/books?id=g25jAAAAcAAJ google books]) * [[Liber Karastonis]] * [[Liber de figura sectore]] ([[Scriptor:Gerardus Cremonensis|Gerardo Cremonensi]] interprete) * [[Liber de ymaginibus]] ([[Scriptor:Ioannes Hispalensis|Ioanne Hispalensi]] interprete) * [[Liber prestigiorum Thebidis secundum Ptolomaeum et Hermetem]] ([[Scriptor:Petrus Abaelardus|Abaelardo]] interprete) ==Interpretamenta== * [[Almagestum]] [[Scriptor:Ptolemaeus|Ptolemaei]] ([[Scriptpr:Ebdelmessic Wintoniensis|Ebdelmessic Wintoniensi]] interprete) 839uiebgwgdezl722mdisd6p74alaqu 104 68406 276922 229680 2026-08-22T13:32:27Z SZC 03 22335 /* Proofread */ 276922 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="SZC 03" />{{c|– 11 –}}</noinclude>''be'' componitur ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''zd'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''du'' et ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''ug'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ge'', propter illud quod iam declaratum est ex parte dissolutionis. Corda vero dupli arcus ''zb'' est corda dupli arcus ''ab'', et corda dupli arcus ''zd'' est corda dupli arcus ''ad''; ergo proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ab'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''be'' componitur ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''ad'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''du'' et ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''ug'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ge''; et illud est quod voluimus declarare. {{pt|(Fig. 6.)}} {{pt|&#160;|{{ct|[[file:Björnbo Thabits Werk über den Transversalensatz (Fig.6).svg|class=skin-invert-image|200px]]}}}} §6. Haec ergo via iam aggregavit illas divisiones plures in re parva; et excusavit ab uno quattuor antecedentium quae ad hanc figuram praemisit Ptholomeus, quamvis esset necessarium huic operi, ut ante ipsum demonstraretur probatio quam attulit Ptholomeus de probationibus divisionum huius figurae et quod praemisit ante ipsam ex antecedentibus. Ego tamen non aestimo quod Ptholomeus intenderit ad illud in eo quod dimisit de probatione, sed ad viam primam multarum divisionum; secundum illud autem quod ego dixi de illo sunt duo testimonia; quorum unum est, quoniam dixit, postquam expedivit (?) se ab eo quod dixit de parte dissolutionis de eo quod declarabitur secundum illud exemplum quo declaratur in descriptione linearum rectarum, quae sunt in superficie: modus compositionis figurae elcata. Testimonium vero ad aliud est, quoniam si voluisset nisi declarationem eius per hanc viam quae aggregat divisiones, non esset ei necessarium praemittere antecedens, in quo demonstravit qualiter sunt proportiones secundum modum compositiones in lineis quae secant se in superficie; non enim nullo modo operatus est per illud in aliqua parte sui libri omnino, nisi procedat in probatione elcata via prima quam diximus; tunc enim est illud ei necessarium in ea; haec igitur altera via quam diximus. Et si iam aggreget illas divisiones plures et comprehendat eas in quattuor divisionibus tantum, non tamen conceditur nobis absolute cum intendimus exponere duas intentiones viri sermonis, ut dimittamus probationem quam intendit in eo quod dimisit et afferamus aliam. {{nop}}<noinclude><references/></noinclude> rli11ap1lrs8z65y9yib4ha3qpkjywi 276923 276922 2026-08-22T13:32:55Z SZC 03 22335 276923 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="SZC 03" />{{c|– 11 –}}</noinclude>''be'' componitur ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''zd'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''du'' et ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''ug'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ge'', propter illud quod iam declaratum est ex parte dissolutionis. Corda vero dupli arcus ''zb'' est corda dupli arcus ''ab'', et corda dupli arcus ''zd'' est corda dupli arcus ''ad''; ergo proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ab'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''be'' componitur ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''ad'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''du'' et ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''ug'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ge''; et illud est quod voluimus declarare. {{pt|(Fig. 6.)}} {{pt|&#160;|{{ct|[[file:Björnbo Thabits Werk über den Transversalensatz (Fig.6).svg|class=skin-invert-image|200px]]}}}} § 6. Haec ergo via iam aggregavit illas divisiones plures in re parva; et excusavit ab uno quattuor antecedentium quae ad hanc figuram praemisit Ptholomeus, quamvis esset necessarium huic operi, ut ante ipsum demonstraretur probatio quam attulit Ptholomeus de probationibus divisionum huius figurae et quod praemisit ante ipsam ex antecedentibus. Ego tamen non aestimo quod Ptholomeus intenderit ad illud in eo quod dimisit de probatione, sed ad viam primam multarum divisionum; secundum illud autem quod ego dixi de illo sunt duo testimonia; quorum unum est, quoniam dixit, postquam expedivit (?) se ab eo quod dixit de parte dissolutionis de eo quod declarabitur secundum illud exemplum quo declaratur in descriptione linearum rectarum, quae sunt in superficie: modus compositionis figurae elcata. Testimonium vero ad aliud est, quoniam si voluisset nisi declarationem eius per hanc viam quae aggregat divisiones, non esset ei necessarium praemittere antecedens, in quo demonstravit qualiter sunt proportiones secundum modum compositiones in lineis quae secant se in superficie; non enim nullo modo operatus est per illud in aliqua parte sui libri omnino, nisi procedat in probatione elcata via prima quam diximus; tunc enim est illud ei necessarium in ea; haec igitur altera via quam diximus. Et si iam aggreget illas divisiones plures et comprehendat eas in quattuor divisionibus tantum, non tamen conceditur nobis absolute cum intendimus exponere duas intentiones viri sermonis, ut dimittamus probationem quam intendit in eo quod dimisit et afferamus aliam. {{nop}}<noinclude><references/></noinclude> rzs70as2akaw1hzrsfb298yfr3konah 104 68407 276924 229681 2026-08-22T13:45:24Z SZC 03 22335 /* Proofread */ 276924 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="SZC 03" />{{ct|– 12 –}}</noinclude><ref>Vergl. für das folg. Traité du quadrilatère von Naṣir al-Din al-Ṭûsî pg. 200–202, arab. Text p. 155–157.</ref>Quod si absolute concedatur nobis, ut afferamus probationem ad id quod Ptholomeus voluit probare de hac figura unamcunque voluerimus, nos iam afferemus ei probationem propinquiorem et leviorem probationibus Ptholomei non pervenientem ad probationem quam ei fecit, neque ad aliquod quattuor antecedentium, quae praemisit propter ipsam, et quae (i.e. probatio) communicabit omnes divisiones eius in capitulo uno secundum modum compositionis, et capitulo secundum modum dissolutionis tantum. Et est haec quam narrabo. Praemittam prius hoc antecedens: § 7. Si ex uno omnium duorum circulorum de circulis maioribus qui cadunt in superficie spaerae separentur duo arcus minores duobus semicirculis ab eo quod sequitur unum duorum punctorum sectionis eorum, et protrahantur a duabus extremitatibus duorum arcuum duae perpendiculares supra superficiem circuli alterius, erit proportio cordae dupli unius duorum arcuum ad cordam dupli arcus alterius sicut proportio perpendicularis protractae ab extremitate arcus unius ad perpendicularem productam ab extremitate arcus alterius, sive sint ambo arcus in parte una, sive duabus diversis. Verbi gratia: {{pt|(Fig. 7.)}} {{pt|&#160;|{{ct|[[file:Björnbo Thabits Werk über den Transversalensatz (Fig.7).svg|class=skin-invert-image|275px]]}}}} Sint duo circuli ''abgd aegu'' de circulis maioribus, qui cadunt in spaerae superficie et iam secuerunt se supra duo puncta ''a'' et ''g''; et separentur ex circulo ''agu'', qui est unus eorum, duo arcus quorum unusquisque sit minor semicirculo, sintque ''ae az'', et producantar a duobus punctis ''e'' et ''z'' duae perpendiculares supra superficiam<!--sic--> circuli ''abgd'', dico ergo quod proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ae'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''az'' est sicut proportio perpendicularis quae protrahitur a puncto ''e'' ad perpendicularem quae protrahitur a puncto ''z'', quod sic probatur: differentia enim communis duorum circulorum ''abgd aegu'' est diametrus eorum, sit ergo diametrus ''ag''; producam autem a duobus punctis ''e'' et ''z'' duas perpendiculares supra ''ag'', sintque ''eh'' ''zt''; si ergo fuerint duae perpendiculares etiam supra superficiem circuli ''abgd'', tunc iam declaratum est, quod voluimus, quoniam ipsae sunt duo sinus duorum<noinclude><!--nop--> {{rule}} <references/></noinclude> pxab9kivp2m70zltybysu8adzs7f6tj 104 68412 276925 221026 2026-08-22T13:57:11Z SZC 03 22335 /* Proofread */ 276925 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="SZC 03" />{{ct|– 13 –}}</noinclude>arcuum ''ae az''. Quod si non fuerint ita, protraham a duobus punctis ''e z'' duas perpendiculares supra superficiem circuli ''abgd'', sintque ''ek zl'', sunt ergo aequidistantes; et protraham duas lineas ''lt kh'', sed duae lineae ''eh zt'' sunt etiam aequidistantes; quando vero duae lineae continentes angulum aequidistant duabus aliis lineis continentibus alium angulum, sunt duo anguli aequales, angulus igitur ''hek'' aequatur angulo ''tzl''; et duo anguli ''ekh zlt'' sunt recti; ergo duo trianguli ''ehk ztl'' sunt similes. Ergo proportio ''eh'' ad ''zt'' est sicut proportio ''ek'' ad ''zl'', proportio autem ''eh'' ad ''zt'' est sicut proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ae'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''az'', quoniam ipse sunt sinus eorum; ergo proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ae'' ad cordam dupli arcas ''az'' est sicut proportio perpendicularis ''ek'' ad perpendicularem ''zl''. Et similiter etiam declarabitur ex eo quod diximus, si unus duorum arcuum ''ae az'' fuerit a parte ''au''. Et illud est quod voluimus demonstrare. § 8. Et postquam praemisimus hoc antecedens, tunc secent se inter duos arcus ''ab bg'' duo arcus ''ad ge'' supra punctum ''u''. Et sint hii arcus ex circulis maioribus qui cadunt in spaera, sitque unusquisque arcus eorum minor semicirculo, dico igitur, quod proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ab'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''be'' componitur ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''ad'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''du'' et ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''ug'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ge''; quod sic probatur: Producam enim a punctis ''a e u'' perpendiculares supra superficiem circuli arcus ''bg'', sintque perpendiculares ''az eh ut''; ponam autem perpendicularem ''ut'', quae est una earum, mediam in proportione inter duas perpendiculares ''az eh'': erit ergo proportio ''az'' ad ''eh'' composita ex proportione ''az'' ad ''ut'' et ex proportione ''ut'' ad ''eh''; proportio vero perpendicularis ''az'' ad perpendicularem ''eh'', iam ostendimus per antecedens quod praemisimus, quod est sicut proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ab'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''be''; et proportio perpendicularis ''az'' ad perpendicularem ''ut'', ostendimus per ipsum, quod est sicut proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ad'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''du''; et proportio perpendicularis ''ut'' ad perpendicularem ''eh'', ostendimus per ipsum etiam, quod est sicut proportio cordae dupli arcus ''gu'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ge''. Ergo proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ab'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''be'' componitur ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''ad'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ud'' et ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''gu'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ge''. Et dico etiam, quod erit secundum modum dissolutionis proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ae'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''eb'' composita ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''au'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ud''<noinclude><references/></noinclude> nk7ftjhokw6hiab386mdwy982bkmljs 276926 276925 2026-08-22T13:57:21Z SZC 03 22335 276926 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="SZC 03" />{{c|– 13 –}}</noinclude>arcuum ''ae az''. Quod si non fuerint ita, protraham a duobus punctis ''e z'' duas perpendiculares supra superficiem circuli ''abgd'', sintque ''ek zl'', sunt ergo aequidistantes; et protraham duas lineas ''lt kh'', sed duae lineae ''eh zt'' sunt etiam aequidistantes; quando vero duae lineae continentes angulum aequidistant duabus aliis lineis continentibus alium angulum, sunt duo anguli aequales, angulus igitur ''hek'' aequatur angulo ''tzl''; et duo anguli ''ekh zlt'' sunt recti; ergo duo trianguli ''ehk ztl'' sunt similes. Ergo proportio ''eh'' ad ''zt'' est sicut proportio ''ek'' ad ''zl'', proportio autem ''eh'' ad ''zt'' est sicut proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ae'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''az'', quoniam ipse sunt sinus eorum; ergo proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ae'' ad cordam dupli arcas ''az'' est sicut proportio perpendicularis ''ek'' ad perpendicularem ''zl''. Et similiter etiam declarabitur ex eo quod diximus, si unus duorum arcuum ''ae az'' fuerit a parte ''au''. Et illud est quod voluimus demonstrare. § 8. Et postquam praemisimus hoc antecedens, tunc secent se inter duos arcus ''ab bg'' duo arcus ''ad ge'' supra punctum ''u''. Et sint hii arcus ex circulis maioribus qui cadunt in spaera, sitque unusquisque arcus eorum minor semicirculo, dico igitur, quod proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ab'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''be'' componitur ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''ad'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''du'' et ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''ug'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ge''; quod sic probatur: Producam enim a punctis ''a e u'' perpendiculares supra superficiem circuli arcus ''bg'', sintque perpendiculares ''az eh ut''; ponam autem perpendicularem ''ut'', quae est una earum, mediam in proportione inter duas perpendiculares ''az eh'': erit ergo proportio ''az'' ad ''eh'' composita ex proportione ''az'' ad ''ut'' et ex proportione ''ut'' ad ''eh''; proportio vero perpendicularis ''az'' ad perpendicularem ''eh'', iam ostendimus per antecedens quod praemisimus, quod est sicut proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ab'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''be''; et proportio perpendicularis ''az'' ad perpendicularem ''ut'', ostendimus per ipsum, quod est sicut proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ad'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''du''; et proportio perpendicularis ''ut'' ad perpendicularem ''eh'', ostendimus per ipsum etiam, quod est sicut proportio cordae dupli arcus ''gu'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ge''. Ergo proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ab'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''be'' componitur ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''ad'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ud'' et ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''gu'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ge''. Et dico etiam, quod erit secundum modum dissolutionis proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ae'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''eb'' composita ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''au'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ud''<noinclude><references/></noinclude> pc7en1cjflvsptm6gkvqkuk2dhjeyn5 104 68413 276927 229682 2026-08-22T14:12:37Z SZC 03 22335 /* Proofread */ 276927 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="SZC 03" /></noinclude>et ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''gd'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''gb''. Via autem in probatione illius est similis viae in eo quod ostendimus ante ipsum, et illud est, quia, si nos produxerimus a punctis ''a b d'' ad superficiem circuli arcus ''gue'' perpendiculares tres quae sint ''az bh dt'' et posuerimus perpendicularem ''dt'' ex eis mediam in proportione inter duas alias perpendiculares, erit proportio perpendicularis ''az'' ad perpendicularem ''bh'' composita ex proportione perpendicilaris ''az'' ad perpendicularem ''dt'' et ex proportione perpendicularis ''dt'' ad perpendicularem ''bh''. Proportio autem perpendicularis ''az'' ex eis ad perpendicularem ''bh'' est sicut proportio cordae dupli areus ''ae'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''eb'', et proportio perpendicularis ''az'' ad perpendicularem ''dt'' est sicut proportio cordae dupli arcus ''au'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ud'', et proportio perpendicularis ''dt'' ad perpendicularem ''bh'' est sicut proportio cordae dupli arcus ''gd'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''gb''. Hoc autem totum est, propter illud quod iam ostensum est in antecedente quod praemisimus. Ergo proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ae'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''eb'' componitur ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''au'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ud'' et ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''gd'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''gb''. Et illud est cuius voluimus declarationem. {{pt|(Fig. 8 u. 9.)}} {{pt|&#160;|{{ct|[[file:Björnbo Thabits Werk über den Transversalensatz (Fig.8).svg|class=skin-invert-image|180px]]{{gap|3em}}[[file:Björnbo Thabits Werk über den Transversalensatz (Fig.9).svg|class=skin-invert-image|180px]]}}}} §9. Iam ergo praecessit probatio duarum intentionum quas Ptholomeus probare voluit de re alcata. Reperiuntur vero modi alii de compositione proportionum in elcata, quos non narravit Ptholomeus et quibus non indiguit in complemento probationis eius quod praemisit de his duabus intentionibus, sicut indiguit divisionibus quarum praemisit narrationem. Verum quia sunt unius generis cum illis et sunt necessarii in rebus aliis, visum est mihi ut afferrem ad illud radices communicantes et aggregantes permutationes omnes per quas praeparatur permutatio proportionis in omnibus sex quantitatibus, quarum duarum proportio est composita ex duabus proportionibus quattuor reliquarum, donec, cum invenerit aliquis sex quantitates secundum hunc modum compositionis proportionis, possit permutare eas, et generet ex eis omnem rem cuius generatio possibilis est, sive sit res quae reperitur in arcubus super spaeram, sicut in alcata aut in lineis rectis in superficie, sive secundum modum dissolutionis sit illud, sive secundum modum compositionis, aut quocumque modo sit. Quod autem generatur ex omnibus sex quantitatibus secundum hunc modum decem et septem modi sunt de compositione proportionis, qui cum radice ex qua generantur erunt decem et octo modi. {{nop}}<noinclude><references/></noinclude> 4z0ldytog9xwb8nwpbwph7naszt1adx 276928 276927 2026-08-22T14:12:49Z SZC 03 22335 276928 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="SZC 03" /></noinclude>et ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''gd'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''gb''. Via autem in probatione illius est similis viae in eo quod ostendimus ante ipsum, et illud est, quia, si nos produxerimus a punctis ''a b d'' ad superficiem circuli arcus ''gue'' perpendiculares tres quae sint ''az bh dt'' et posuerimus perpendicularem ''dt'' ex eis mediam in proportione inter duas alias perpendiculares, erit proportio perpendicularis ''az'' ad perpendicularem ''bh'' composita ex proportione perpendicilaris ''az'' ad perpendicularem ''dt'' et ex proportione perpendicularis ''dt'' ad perpendicularem ''bh''. Proportio autem perpendicularis ''az'' ex eis ad perpendicularem ''bh'' est sicut proportio cordae dupli areus ''ae'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''eb'', et proportio perpendicularis ''az'' ad perpendicularem ''dt'' est sicut proportio cordae dupli arcus ''au'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ud'', et proportio perpendicularis ''dt'' ad perpendicularem ''bh'' est sicut proportio cordae dupli arcus ''gd'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''gb''. Hoc autem totum est, propter illud quod iam ostensum est in antecedente quod praemisimus. Ergo proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ae'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''eb'' componitur ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''au'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ud'' et ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''gd'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''gb''. Et illud est cuius voluimus declarationem. {{pt|(Fig. 8 u. 9.)}} {{pt|&#160;|{{ct|[[file:Björnbo Thabits Werk über den Transversalensatz (Fig.8).svg|class=skin-invert-image|180px]]{{gap|3em}}[[file:Björnbo Thabits Werk über den Transversalensatz (Fig.9).svg|class=skin-invert-image|180px]]}}}} § 9. Iam ergo praecessit probatio duarum intentionum quas Ptholomeus probare voluit de re alcata. Reperiuntur vero modi alii de compositione proportionum in elcata, quos non narravit Ptholomeus et quibus non indiguit in complemento probationis eius quod praemisit de his duabus intentionibus, sicut indiguit divisionibus quarum praemisit narrationem. Verum quia sunt unius generis cum illis et sunt necessarii in rebus aliis, visum est mihi ut afferrem ad illud radices communicantes et aggregantes permutationes omnes per quas praeparatur permutatio proportionis in omnibus sex quantitatibus, quarum duarum proportio est composita ex duabus proportionibus quattuor reliquarum, donec, cum invenerit aliquis sex quantitates secundum hunc modum compositionis proportionis, possit permutare eas, et generet ex eis omnem rem cuius generatio possibilis est, sive sit res quae reperitur in arcubus super spaeram, sicut in alcata aut in lineis rectis in superficie, sive secundum modum dissolutionis sit illud, sive secundum modum compositionis, aut quocumque modo sit. Quod autem generatur ex omnibus sex quantitatibus secundum hunc modum decem et septem modi sunt de compositione proportionis, qui cum radice ex qua generantur erunt decem et octo modi. {{nop}}<noinclude><references/></noinclude> jq5j1vbrmiunuj1b25amom00m7bkubs 276929 276928 2026-08-22T14:15:36Z SZC 03 22335 276929 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="SZC 03" /></noinclude>et ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''gd'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''gb''. Via autem in probatione illius est similis viae in eo quod ostendimus ante ipsum, et illud est, quia, si nos produxerimus a punctis ''a b d'' ad superficiem circuli arcus ''gue'' perpendiculares tres quae sint ''az bh dt'' et posuerimus perpendicularem ''dt'' ex eis mediam in proportione inter duas alias perpendiculares, erit proportio perpendicularis ''az'' ad perpendicularem ''bh'' composita ex proportione perpendicilaris ''az'' ad perpendicularem ''dt'' et ex proportione perpendicularis ''dt'' ad perpendicularem ''bh''. Proportio autem perpendicularis ''az'' ex eis ad perpendicularem ''bh'' est sicut proportio cordae dupli areus ''ae'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''eb'', et proportio perpendicularis ''az'' ad perpendicularem ''dt'' est sicut proportio cordae dupli arcus ''au'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ud'', et proportio perpendicularis ''dt'' ad perpendicularem ''bh'' est sicut proportio cordae dupli arcus ''gd'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''gb''. Hoc autem totum est, propter illud quod iam ostensum est in antecedente quod praemisimus<ref>Hoc… praemisimus fehlt im arab. Text, vielleicht auch von Naṣir ed-din als überflüssig weggelassen.</ref>. Ergo proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ae'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''eb'' componitur ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''au'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ud'' et ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''gd'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''gb''. Et illud est cuius voluimus declarationem. {{pt|(Fig. 8 u. 9.)}} {{pt|&#160;|{{ct|[[file:Björnbo Thabits Werk über den Transversalensatz (Fig.8).svg|class=skin-invert-image|180px]]{{gap|3em}}[[file:Björnbo Thabits Werk über den Transversalensatz (Fig.9).svg|class=skin-invert-image|180px]]}}}} § 9. Iam ergo praecessit probatio duarum intentionum quas Ptholomeus probare voluit de re alcata. Reperiuntur vero modi alii de compositione proportionum in elcata, quos non narravit Ptholomeus et quibus non indiguit in complemento probationis eius quod praemisit de his duabus intentionibus, sicut indiguit divisionibus quarum praemisit narrationem. Verum quia sunt unius generis cum illis et sunt necessarii in rebus aliis, visum est mihi ut afferrem ad illud radices communicantes et aggregantes permutationes omnes per quas praeparatur permutatio proportionis in omnibus sex quantitatibus, quarum duarum proportio est composita ex duabus proportionibus quattuor reliquarum, donec, cum invenerit aliquis sex quantitates secundum hunc modum compositionis proportionis, possit permutare eas, et generet ex eis omnem rem cuius generatio possibilis est, sive sit res quae reperitur in arcubus super spaeram, sicut in alcata aut in lineis rectis in superficie<ref>Von hier an hat Bj. seine Abschriften nicht mehr mit E kollationiert; erst gegen den Sehluß hin wieder.</ref>, sive secundum modum dissolutionis sit illud, sive secundum modum compositionis, aut quocumque modo sit. Quod autem generatur ex omnibus sex quantitatibus secundum hunc modum decem et septem modi sunt de compositione proportionis, qui cum radice ex qua generantur erunt decem et octo modi. {{nop}}<noinclude><references/></noinclude> 8s2a7e6vl7i2mfgv4so31yejbs3xhu1 104 68414 276931 229683 2026-08-22T14:18:59Z SZC 03 22335 /* Proofread */ 276931 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="SZC 03" />{{c|– 24 –}}</noinclude><section begin="s1"/>cordae dupli arcus ''gd'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''du'' et ex proportione cordae dupli areus ''ub'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''eb''. Et illud est quod declarare voluimus. {{pt|(Fig. 10.)}} {{pt|&#160;|{{ct|[[file:Björnbo Thabits Werk über den Transversalensatz (Fig.10).svg|class=skin-invert-image|240px]]}}}} <section end="s1"/> <noinclude> {{ct|'''B. Text aus der Bibliothèque Mazarine.'''}} Wir geben im Anschlu$ an den von Bjjrnbo und Sauter festgestellten Text noch einige Stellen aus der S. 6 erwadhnten Handschrift der Bibliothéque Mazarine'), um einen Vergleich zu ermiglichen und fiigen verschiedene Bemerkungen an. Unserem Text auf Seite 6 Zeile 28 bis Seite 7 Zeile 11 entspricht: Tertius liber eiusdem de figura quae dicitur cata. Nam in ea docet producere dnuas proportiones ex una. Intellexi quod dixisti super figura, quae nominatur cata et quod interrogasti super apodixi[m] eins et nullam vidi geometricarum figurarum in astronomia utilium ita investigatam ab omnibus sicut istam. Adhibent autem ei operam eo quod ipsa sit valde utilis et necessaria in constructione sperae et quoniam radix est circa quam versantur multa atronomicorum negotiorum. Et si quis alius praeter Ptholomeum praedixit aliquid de figura ista, non ordinavit eum quod de ipsa sermonem, neque aliquis eorum quos audivimus, aequavit demonstrationem sicut ille quoniam duos modos produxit solos ex inventis in ipsa modis ex expositione analogiae. Et sunt, si inter duas periferias ab et bg duae periferiae ad et ge secent se in invicem ad punctum + et sunt periferiae scriptorum in spera maximoram circulorum et unaquaque periferiarum fuerit minor semicirculo, erit proportio subtendentis duplam ae periferiae ad subtendentem duplam e+ periferiae composita ex proportione subtendentis duplam ax periferiae ad... (usw.). Der folgende Text liefert nichts Bemerkenswertes. Wir geben erst wieder den Seite 7 Zeile 26 bis Seite 8 Zeile 7 entsprechenden Abschnitt: Et mea intentio est exponere hoc per modos continentes hoc et similia in hypothesim compositionis. Enumeratio autem et expositio earum rerum non erat necessaria Tholomeo neque foventibus rationem eius, sed non disputaverunt de hoc. Explanatio vero necessariornm et apodoxim duorum modorum, quos voluit explanare, necessaria est volentibus fovere rationem ipsius. Ipse vero unam solam partem produxit ex proportionibus demonstrationis horum duorum modorum et omisit reliquas confidens quoniam legens hoc potest invenire similem ipsi in reliquis proportionibus proportionem et elicere sibi demonstrationem ipsius. Hoc autem erat oportunum in temporibus carentibns libris eius. Verum ergo interpretabor hoc una voce quaerentibus interpretationem ipsius et neque scripsi neque demonstravi partes eius in libro. Verum quidam sociorum nostrorum insistens huic et intelligens scripsit sibi et enumeravit modos omnes figurae eius </noinclude><noinclude><references/></noinclude> tfte4isjnle7bt3zyfzqyspjix5s4he 104 68475 276932 221156 2026-08-22T14:20:06Z SZC 03 22335 276932 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="SZC 03" />{{t|– 23 –}}</noinclude>et octo modi et eorum conversiones tantum, neque pauciores illis neque plures. Proportio enim combinationum reliquarum iam sublata est, sicut ostendimus in his quae praecesserunt. {{lsp|Explicit liber de figura sectore thebit ibencora}} (sic). [Meslem filius ameti inquit de illis quae Ptholomeo addicendum necessaria fuerunt in figura sectore: fuit allatio demonstrationis super proportionem compositam secundam similitudinem partis quam erexit (?) super proportionem divisam. Et ego quidem non reperi aliquem de illis quae praecesserunt dixisse (?) (vielleicht erexisse) illam figuram, i. e. figuram sectorem. Et illud sit (sic!), ut duo arcus ''gd eb'' secent se inter duos arcus ''gea bda'' supra punctum ''u''. Et statuam demonstrationem secundum hoc, ut proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ga'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ae'' sit composita ex proportionibus duabus, scil. ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''gd'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ud'', et ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''ub'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''be''; cuius haec est demonstratio: Ponam ut centrum spaerae sit punctum ''h'', deinde copulabo punctum ''h'' cum puncto ''a'' et continuabo punctum ''g'' cum puncto ''e'' et faciam] ipsam penetrare donec concurrat lineae ''ha'' supra punctum ''l'', deinde producam ''gu'' et protraham ''hd'' et producam eas ambas secundum rectitudinem usque ad punctum ''k''; et producam ''eu'' et producam ''hd'' et producam eas ambas secundum rectitudinem usque ad punctum ''t'', dico igitur, quod puncta tria ''l k t'' sunt super lineam unam rectam, quoniam ipsa omnia sunt in superficie arcus ''adb'', et duo puncta ''lk'' sunt in superficie trianguli ''glk'', et linea ''eut'' est in superficie huius trianguli iterum, ergo panctum ''t'' est iterum in superficie huius trianguli; ergo illa tria puncta sunt in superficie huius trianguli, ergo ipsa est sectio communis, supra quam secant se superficies trianguli et arcus (''adb''); at sectio communis est linea recta, et est linea ''lkt''. Ergo inter duas lineas ''gl tl'' iam secuerunt se duae lineae ''gk'', et supra punctum ''u'', ergo proportio ''gl'' ad ''le'' componitur ex duabus proportionibus, i.e. ex proportione ''gk'' ad ''ku'' et ex proportione ''tu'' ad ''fe''. Proportio autem ''gl'' ad ''le'' est proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ga'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ea''; et proportio ''gk'' ad ''ku'' est sicut proportio cordae dupli arcus ''gd'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''du''; et proportio lineae ''tu'' ad lineam ''te'' est sicut proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ub'' ad cordam dupli arens ''eb''; ergo proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ga'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ea'' est composita ex proportione<noinclude><references/></noinclude> eh01cy0x4q14pewf8zooj42gajps8nt 276933 276932 2026-08-22T14:21:29Z SZC 03 22335 276933 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="SZC 03" />{{c|– 23 –}}</noinclude>et octo modi et eorum conversiones tantum, neque pauciores illis neque plures. Proportio enim combinationum reliquarum iam sublata est, sicut ostendimus in his quae praecesserunt. {{lsp|15%|Explicit liber de figura sectore thebit ibencora}} (sic). [Meslem filius ameti inquit de illis quae Ptholomeo addicendum necessaria fuerunt in figura sectore: fuit allatio demonstrationis super proportionem compositam secundam similitudinem partis quam erexit (?) super proportionem divisam. Et ego quidem non reperi aliquem de illis quae praecesserunt dixisse (?) (vielleicht erexisse) illam figuram, i. e. figuram sectorem. Et illud sit (sic!), ut duo arcus ''gd eb'' secent se inter duos arcus ''gea bda'' supra punctum ''u''. Et statuam demonstrationem secundum hoc, ut proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ga'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ae'' sit composita ex proportionibus duabus, scil. ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''gd'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ud'', et ex proportione cordae dupli arcus ''ub'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''be''; cuius haec est demonstratio: Ponam ut centrum spaerae sit punctum ''h'', deinde copulabo punctum ''h'' cum puncto ''a'' et continuabo punctum ''g'' cum puncto ''e'' et faciam] ipsam penetrare donec concurrat lineae ''ha'' supra punctum ''l'', deinde producam ''gu'' et protraham ''hd'' et producam eas ambas secundum rectitudinem usque ad punctum ''k''; et producam ''eu'' et producam ''hd'' et producam eas ambas secundum rectitudinem usque ad punctum ''t'', dico igitur, quod puncta tria ''l k t'' sunt super lineam unam rectam, quoniam ipsa omnia sunt in superficie arcus ''adb'', et duo puncta ''lk'' sunt in superficie trianguli ''glk'', et linea ''eut'' est in superficie huius trianguli iterum, ergo panctum ''t'' est iterum in superficie huius trianguli; ergo illa tria puncta sunt in superficie huius trianguli, ergo ipsa est sectio communis, supra quam secant se superficies trianguli et arcus (''adb''); at sectio communis est linea recta, et est linea ''lkt''. Ergo inter duas lineas ''gl tl'' iam secuerunt se duae lineae ''gk'', et supra punctum ''u'', ergo proportio ''gl'' ad ''le'' componitur ex duabus proportionibus, i.e. ex proportione ''gk'' ad ''ku'' et ex proportione ''tu'' ad ''fe''. Proportio autem ''gl'' ad ''le'' est proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ga'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ea''; et proportio ''gk'' ad ''ku'' est sicut proportio cordae dupli arcus ''gd'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''du''; et proportio lineae ''tu'' ad lineam ''te'' est sicut proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ub'' ad cordam dupli arens ''eb''; ergo proportio cordae dupli arcus ''ga'' ad cordam dupli arcus ''ea'' est composita ex proportione<noinclude><references/></noinclude> nwhew17is4t4xpfxuxsvgf92a6874xv 2 68556 276991 272399 2026-08-22T21:11:19Z Demetrius Talpa 13304 276991 css text/css @import url("https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Pattersonuwu/OldIcons.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css"); .mw-logo-icon { display: none; } .mw-logo-tagline { display: none; } .mw-logo-wordmark { content: url(//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Erica_-_Calluna_vulgaris_Arabella_longum.jpg); width: 15em !important; height: 3em !important; } n8kaiz37kgv57grfpigcis2hihtgqrz 102 68701 276919 221595 2026-08-22T12:51:19Z SZC 03 22335 276919 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Scriptor |Natio=Italia |PostNationem= }} == Opera == * [[De arte venandi cum avibus]] === Intrpretamenta === * [[Liber de pomo]] k0cvva9dkttt148augv1xyzd15eivpl 276934 276919 2026-08-22T14:41:22Z SZC 03 22335 /* Opera */ 276934 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Scriptor |Natio=Italia |PostNationem= }} == Opera == * [[De arte venandi cum avibus]] (ed. Schneider, 1788, [[:Fasciculus:Reliqua librorum Friderici II - Imperatoris de arte venandi cum avibus (IA b28759886).pdf|pdf]]) === Intrpretamenta === * [[Liber de pomo]] 8jci80ami6fgev9regmp3nbi7u3f5af 107 72121 277014 238103 2026-08-22T22:12:59Z EnaldoSS 18086 /* */ 277014 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Transcribing== Hey, [[User:JimKillock|JimKillock]], [[User:Trooper57|Trooper57]], and everyone: I found out that the best way to transcribe this book is by using AI. I've been using a prompt with Gemini in "Pro" mode, and the results have been highly accurate. What I do is download the higher resolution scans from [[:commons:Category:Pages of Historia naturalis Brasiliae|this category]] and upload them to Gemini along with the prompt. It even generates most of the formatting, which makes the additional work much easier. The prompt is as follows: <code><nowiki>Transcribe the exact text of the following page, from a page of an old book in Latin, for Wikisource. in the transcription, do not reproduce line breaks. keep the long s (“ſ”) and all other characters exactly as they appear. i also need the formatted text: replace “ſ” with “{{s}}”, “ae” or “æ” with “{{ae}}”, “oe” or “œ” with “{{oe}}”, and “&” with “{{et}}”. put italic text between '' '' (''example''), and small caps text inside "{{sc|}}" ("{{sc|example}}"). put header text inside {{rh|||}}, depending on its position (respectively left, center, or right: "{{rh|left|center|right}}"). example (for a page with the section name in the center and page number 3 on the right): {{rh||{{sc|Histor. Plantarvm Lib. I.}}|3}}. also do the same for footer text. example: {{rh||A2|cele-}}. Other details, depending on the page to be transcribed: if there is text in Gothic type, put it inside {{Gothica|}}. if there is a chapter opening, center the chapter number (in small caps) and the title (in larger type and italics) using {{c|}}. example: {{c|{{sc|Cap. III.}}}} {{c|{{larger|''Arundines {{et}} Cann{{ae}}.''}}}}. for the larger initial letter at the beginning of a chapter, put it in uppercase inside {{Is|}}, followed by small caps (with the second letter of the word also being capitalized). example (for "iataboca"): {{Is|I}}{{sc|Ataboca}} Bra{{s}}ilianis dicta [...]. if there are illustrations, insert a marker. example: [[File:|left|250px]]. (insert left, center, or right depending on the image’s position on the page. consider 250px to be half the text block width and round image sizes to the nearest 50px. so, for example, 500px is for an image that spans the full width of the text, 300px is one that goes slightly beyond half, etc.). Return only the finished text so I can copy and paste it into Wikisource.</nowiki></code> [[Usor:EnaldoSS|EnaldoSS]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:EnaldoSS|disputatio]]) 22:12, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Scanning and characters == Hi there @[[Usor:Trooper57|Trooper57]], I have tried the Transkribus / Latin Incunabula model (available from the "Transcribe" button) on a few pages ([[Pagina:Historia_Naturalis_Brasiliae_(1648).pdf/357|357]]; [[Pagina:Historia_Naturalis_Brasiliae_(1648).pdf/358|358]], [[Pagina:Historia_Naturalis_Brasiliae_(1648).pdf/359|359]]) to check the results. They seem pretty good, except for spaced out and some italic that is not in Latin (if not in Latin, it assumed Greek). However, it picks up {{s}}, versus f, for example, along with æ, & and so on. I used a second script, located at [[Usor:JimKillock/incunabula.js]], to change the scanned characters such as {{s}}, æ, & to <nowiki>{{s}}, {{ae}}, {{et}}</nowiki>. In mainspace, these render as {{s}}, {{ae}}, {{et}} which is easier to read for most people. To use this script, add it to [[Usor:Trooper57/common.js]] with <code>importScript("Usor:JimKillock/incunabula.js") window.scribalApplyAllPages = false; // or false</code> Additionally, users can view the original using another javascript if desired. I am hoping we will add this as a user option at a later date. The full list of templates are at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]]; most relate to medieval documents and early modern books. Obviously the templates are completely optional, but the templates plus the JS does seem to speed up the process of page transcription, while conveniently preserving the original. Let me know if you would like any help with this, I can at least help with page creation and / or validation, if that is of interest. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:33, 14 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks. I was manly focusing on the excerpts I'd use in Wiktionary, but transcribing the whole book with these would be nice. I could use some help, yes. [[Usor:Trooper57|Trooper57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Trooper57|disputatio]]) 17:48, 14 Iulii 2025 (UTC) ::Let me know what you would like help with and are linking to. I'll push on with the scans meantime. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:32, 14 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :::For now I'm more interested on transcribing from page 151 of the pdf onwards. [[Usor:Trooper57|Trooper57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Trooper57|disputatio]]) 19:17, 14 Iulii 2025 (UTC) bzu4h8mdvz8rzr0g2606deam10k6iwj 277053 277014 2026-08-23T05:41:55Z JimKillock 19003 /* Transcribing */ Reply 277053 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Transcribing== Hey, [[User:JimKillock|JimKillock]], [[User:Trooper57|Trooper57]], and everyone: I found out that the best way to transcribe this book is by using AI. I've been using a prompt with Gemini in "Pro" mode, and the results have been highly accurate. What I do is download the higher resolution scans from [[:commons:Category:Pages of Historia naturalis Brasiliae|this category]] and upload them to Gemini along with the prompt. It even generates most of the formatting, which makes the additional work much easier. The prompt is as follows: <code><nowiki>Transcribe the exact text of the following page, from a page of an old book in Latin, for Wikisource. in the transcription, do not reproduce line breaks. keep the long s (“ſ”) and all other characters exactly as they appear. i also need the formatted text: replace “ſ” with “{{s}}”, “ae” or “æ” with “{{ae}}”, “oe” or “œ” with “{{oe}}”, and “&” with “{{et}}”. put italic text between '' '' (''example''), and small caps text inside "{{sc|}}" ("{{sc|example}}"). put header text inside {{rh|||}}, depending on its position (respectively left, center, or right: "{{rh|left|center|right}}"). example (for a page with the section name in the center and page number 3 on the right): {{rh||{{sc|Histor. Plantarvm Lib. I.}}|3}}. also do the same for footer text. example: {{rh||A2|cele-}}. Other details, depending on the page to be transcribed: if there is text in Gothic type, put it inside {{Gothica|}}. if there is a chapter opening, center the chapter number (in small caps) and the title (in larger type and italics) using {{c|}}. example: {{c|{{sc|Cap. III.}}}} {{c|{{larger|''Arundines {{et}} Cann{{ae}}.''}}}}. for the larger initial letter at the beginning of a chapter, put it in uppercase inside {{Is|}}, followed by small caps (with the second letter of the word also being capitalized). example (for "iataboca"): {{Is|I}}{{sc|Ataboca}} Bra{{s}}ilianis dicta [...]. if there are illustrations, insert a marker. example: [[File:|left|250px]]. (insert left, center, or right depending on the image’s position on the page. consider 250px to be half the text block width and round image sizes to the nearest 50px. so, for example, 500px is for an image that spans the full width of the text, 300px is one that goes slightly beyond half, etc.). Return only the finished text so I can copy and paste it into Wikisource.</nowiki></code> [[Usor:EnaldoSS|EnaldoSS]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:EnaldoSS|disputatio]]) 22:12, 22 Augusti 2026 (UTC) :Thanks @[[Usor:EnaldoSS|EnaldoSS]], that's helpful to know. I had been doing this with Transkribus plus Javascript to automate the formatting, but similarly to you I have found that AI transcribers have caught up on character recognition and automatically replacing text, for example at [[Sal Terrae, sive Apologia pro Ministerio Evangelico|Sal Terrae]] [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 05:41, 23 Augusti 2026 (UTC) == Scanning and characters == Hi there @[[Usor:Trooper57|Trooper57]], I have tried the Transkribus / Latin Incunabula model (available from the "Transcribe" button) on a few pages ([[Pagina:Historia_Naturalis_Brasiliae_(1648).pdf/357|357]]; [[Pagina:Historia_Naturalis_Brasiliae_(1648).pdf/358|358]], [[Pagina:Historia_Naturalis_Brasiliae_(1648).pdf/359|359]]) to check the results. They seem pretty good, except for spaced out and some italic that is not in Latin (if not in Latin, it assumed Greek). However, it picks up {{s}}, versus f, for example, along with æ, & and so on. I used a second script, located at [[Usor:JimKillock/incunabula.js]], to change the scanned characters such as {{s}}, æ, & to <nowiki>{{s}}, {{ae}}, {{et}}</nowiki>. In mainspace, these render as {{s}}, {{ae}}, {{et}} which is easier to read for most people. To use this script, add it to [[Usor:Trooper57/common.js]] with <code>importScript("Usor:JimKillock/incunabula.js") window.scribalApplyAllPages = false; // or false</code> Additionally, users can view the original using another javascript if desired. I am hoping we will add this as a user option at a later date. The full list of templates are at [[:Categoria:Formulae litterarum]]; most relate to medieval documents and early modern books. Obviously the templates are completely optional, but the templates plus the JS does seem to speed up the process of page transcription, while conveniently preserving the original. Let me know if you would like any help with this, I can at least help with page creation and / or validation, if that is of interest. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 07:33, 14 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :{{ping|JimKillock}} thanks. I was manly focusing on the excerpts I'd use in Wiktionary, but transcribing the whole book with these would be nice. I could use some help, yes. [[Usor:Trooper57|Trooper57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Trooper57|disputatio]]) 17:48, 14 Iulii 2025 (UTC) ::Let me know what you would like help with and are linking to. I'll push on with the scans meantime. [[Usor:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:JimKillock|disputatio]]) 18:32, 14 Iulii 2025 (UTC) :::For now I'm more interested on transcribing from page 151 of the pdf onwards. [[Usor:Trooper57|Trooper57]] ([[Disputatio Usoris:Trooper57|disputatio]]) 19:17, 14 Iulii 2025 (UTC) li6odl5lx2i54ni5lbi9cltxmfsaj1v 102 78644 277079 274709 2026-08-23T09:36:43Z Coronus Tenebrosius 31709 277079 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Scriptor |Alias=Croatice ''Krunoslav Mrkoci'' |IndicisNomen=Tenebrosius, Coronus }} == Opera == * ''[[Contemplationes Metaphysicae]]'' (carmina: 1995–2025) * ''[[Puteus Chaosi]]'' (commentationes et prosæ: 2015–2025) * ''[[Carmina non adlecta]]'' (Cacumina Geminata: 1995-2025) == Editiones Priores == Opera primum Croatice edita sunt sub nomine Krunoslav Mrkoci (Latine: Coronus Tenebrosius). == == * ''Osluškivanje tišine'', Zagreb, 1998. — prima collectio poetica (Latine: ''Auscultatio silentii'') == == In periodico ''Riječi'' edita — editio typographica et versio electronica (PDF): == == * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/uploads/rijeci/Rijeci_svibanj_2025.pdf] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/uploads/rijeci/Rijeci_listopad_2024_9.pdf] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/uploads/rijeci/rijeci_2023_1-2.pdf] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/uploads/rijeci/rijeci_2022_3-4.pdf] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/uploads/rijeci/rijeci_2022_1-2.pdf] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/uploads/rijeci/rijeci_2021_3-4.pdf] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/izdanje/85] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/izdanje/103] == == In periodico electronico ''Kvaka'' edita: == == * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2018/12/krunoslav-mrkoci-jesmo-li-mi-josef-k.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/12/krunoslav-mrkoci-sjaj-i-honorar-pisaca.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/12/krunoslav-mrkoci-put-prema-svojoj.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/11/krunoslav-mrkoci-diskretan-miris.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/10/krunoslav-mrkoci-djela-koja-ne-obogacuju.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/08/krunoslav-mrkoci-biti-pjesnik.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/08/krunoslav-mrkoci-crno-bijela-fotografija.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/08/krunoslav-mrkoci-ljetna-lektira.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/07/krunoslav-mrkoci-prica-iz-hrvatske.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/07/krunoslav-mrkoci-umjetnost-danas.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/06/krunoslav-mrkoci-status-suvremenog.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/04/krunoslav-mrkoci-poljodjelska.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/03/krunoslav-mrkoci-satiricna-poezija.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/02/krunoslav-mrkoci-nerazdvojnost-djela-i.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/01/krunoslav-mrkoci-jedne-zimske-veceri.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/01/krunoslav-mrkoci-nadrealizam-nas.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/12/krunoslav-mrkoci-ostavljene.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/12/krunoslav-mrkoci-macka-koja-dolazi.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/12/krunoslav-mrkoci-gaenje-nad-modernitetom.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/10/krunoslav-mrkoci-nitko-nije-nevin.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/08/krunoslav-mrkoci-blagajnicahoce-pravila.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/04/krunoslav-mrkoci-stvarnost28.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/04/krunoslav-mrkoci-o-naslovima-knjizevnih.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/03/krunoslav-mrkoci_18.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/03/krunoslav-mrkoci.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/03/krunoslav-mrkoci-poezija_2.html] == == In periodico electronico ''Pravo u metu'' edita: == == * [https://pravoumetu.com/2021/03/16/umjetnicka-instalacija-krunoslav-mrkoci/] * [https://pravoumetu.com/2021/04/12/ponor-nakon-pobjede-krunoslav-mrkoci/] * [https://pravoumetu.com/2021/05/03/gadenje-nad-modernitetom-degeneracija-i-dekadencija-u-poeziji-i-prozi-od-rimbauda-preko-eliota-i-bukowskoga-do-danas-krunoslav-mrkoci/] * [https://pravoumetu.com/2021/10/09/privilegij-samoce-krunoslav-mrkoci/] * [https://pravoumetu.com/2021/12/29/modus-operandi-za-dusu-krunoslav-mrkoci/] [[Categoria:Saeculi primi vicesimi scriptores]] {{DEFAULTSORT:Tenebrosius, Coronus}} 17g9j8ep8cciwu3bnwfmc4au432ua7u 277081 277079 2026-08-23T09:44:50Z Coronus Tenebrosius 31709 277081 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Scriptor |Alias=Croatice ''Krunoslav Mrkoci'' |IndicisNomen=Tenebrosius, Coronus }} == Opera == * ''[[Contemplationes Metaphysicae]]'' (carmina: 1995–2025) * ''[[Puteus Chaosi]]'' (commentationes et prosæ: 2015–2025) * ''[[Carmina non adlecta]]'' (Cacumina Geminata: 1995-2025) == Editiones Priores == Opera primum Croatice edita sunt sub nomine Krunoslav Mrkoci (Latine: Coronus Tenebrosius). == == * ''Osluškivanje tišine'', Zagreb, 1998. — prima collectio poetica (Latine: ''Auscultatio silentii'') == == In periodico ''Riječi'' edita — editio typographica et versio electronica (PDF): == == * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/uploads/rijeci/Rijeci_svibanj_2025.pdf] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/uploads/rijeci/Rijeci_listopad_2024_9.pdf] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/uploads/rijeci/rijeci_2023_1-2.pdf] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/uploads/rijeci/rijeci_2022_3-4.pdf] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/uploads/rijeci/rijeci_2022_1-2.pdf] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/uploads/rijeci/rijeci_2021_3-4.pdf] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/izdanje/85] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/izdanje/103] == == In periodico electronico ''Kvaka'' edita: == == * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2018/12/krunoslav-mrkoci-jesmo-li-mi-josef-k.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/12/krunoslav-mrkoci-sjaj-i-honorar-pisaca.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/12/krunoslav-mrkoci-put-prema-svojoj.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/11/krunoslav-mrkoci-diskretan-miris.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/10/krunoslav-mrkoci-djela-koja-ne-obogacuju.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/08/krunoslav-mrkoci-biti-pjesnik.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/08/krunoslav-mrkoci-crno-bijela-fotografija.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/08/krunoslav-mrkoci-ljetna-lektira.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/07/krunoslav-mrkoci-prica-iz-hrvatske.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/07/krunoslav-mrkoci-umjetnost-danas.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/06/krunoslav-mrkoci-status-suvremenog.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/04/krunoslav-mrkoci-poljodjelska.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/03/krunoslav-mrkoci-satiricna-poezija.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/02/krunoslav-mrkoci-nerazdvojnost-djela-i.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/01/krunoslav-mrkoci-jedne-zimske-veceri.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/01/krunoslav-mrkoci-nadrealizam-nas.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/12/krunoslav-mrkoci-ostavljene.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/12/krunoslav-mrkoci-macka-koja-dolazi.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/12/krunoslav-mrkoci-gaenje-nad-modernitetom.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/10/krunoslav-mrkoci-nitko-nije-nevin.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/08/krunoslav-mrkoci-blagajnicahoce-pravila.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/04/krunoslav-mrkoci-stvarnost28.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/04/krunoslav-mrkoci-o-naslovima-knjizevnih.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/03/krunoslav-mrkoci_18.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/03/krunoslav-mrkoci.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/03/krunoslav-mrkoci-poezija_2.html] == == In periodico electronico ''Pravo u metu'' edita: == == * [https://pravoumetu.com/2021/03/16/umjetnicka-instalacija-krunoslav-mrkoci/] * [https://pravoumetu.com/2021/04/12/ponor-nakon-pobjede-krunoslav-mrkoci/] * [https://pravoumetu.com/2021/05/03/gadenje-nad-modernitetom-degeneracija-i-dekadencija-u-poeziji-i-prozi-od-rimbauda-preko-eliota-i-bukowskoga-do-danas-krunoslav-mrkoci/] * [https://pravoumetu.com/2021/10/09/privilegij-samoce-krunoslav-mrkoci/] * [https://pravoumetu.com/2021/12/29/modus-operandi-za-dusu-krunoslav-mrkoci/] [[Categoria:Saeculi primi vicesimi scriptores]] {{DEFAULTSORT:Tenebrosius, Coronus}} d8r614ssgwc7xfaiv8wsj9i8nqtkry9 277084 277081 2026-08-23T09:51:15Z Coronus Tenebrosius 31709 277084 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Scriptor |Alias=Croatice ''Krunoslav Mrkoci'' |IndicisNomen=Tenebrosius, Coronus }} == Opera == * ''[[Contemplationes Metaphysicae]]'' (carmina: 1995–2025) * ''[[Puteus Chaosi]]'' (commentationes et prosæ: 2015–2025) * ''[[Carmina non adlecta]]'' (Cacumina Geminata: 1995-2025) == Editiones Priores == Opera primum Croatice edita sunt sub nomine Krunoslav Mrkoci (Latine: Coronus Tenebrosius). == == * ''Osluškivanje tišine'', Zagreb, 1998. — prima collectio poetica (Latine: ''Auscultatio silentii'') [[File:Poetry collection cover.jpg|thumb|center|Frontispicium primae collectionis poeticae “Osluškivanje tišine”.]] == == In periodico ''Riječi'' edita — editio typographica et versio electronica (PDF): == == * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/uploads/rijeci/Rijeci_svibanj_2025.pdf] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/uploads/rijeci/Rijeci_listopad_2024_9.pdf] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/uploads/rijeci/rijeci_2023_1-2.pdf] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/uploads/rijeci/rijeci_2022_3-4.pdf] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/uploads/rijeci/rijeci_2022_1-2.pdf] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/uploads/rijeci/rijeci_2021_3-4.pdf] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/izdanje/85] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/izdanje/103] == == In periodico electronico ''Kvaka'' edita: == == * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2018/12/krunoslav-mrkoci-jesmo-li-mi-josef-k.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/12/krunoslav-mrkoci-sjaj-i-honorar-pisaca.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/12/krunoslav-mrkoci-put-prema-svojoj.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/11/krunoslav-mrkoci-diskretan-miris.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/10/krunoslav-mrkoci-djela-koja-ne-obogacuju.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/08/krunoslav-mrkoci-biti-pjesnik.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/08/krunoslav-mrkoci-crno-bijela-fotografija.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/08/krunoslav-mrkoci-ljetna-lektira.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/07/krunoslav-mrkoci-prica-iz-hrvatske.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/07/krunoslav-mrkoci-umjetnost-danas.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/06/krunoslav-mrkoci-status-suvremenog.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/04/krunoslav-mrkoci-poljodjelska.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/03/krunoslav-mrkoci-satiricna-poezija.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/02/krunoslav-mrkoci-nerazdvojnost-djela-i.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/01/krunoslav-mrkoci-jedne-zimske-veceri.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/01/krunoslav-mrkoci-nadrealizam-nas.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/12/krunoslav-mrkoci-ostavljene.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/12/krunoslav-mrkoci-macka-koja-dolazi.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/12/krunoslav-mrkoci-gaenje-nad-modernitetom.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/10/krunoslav-mrkoci-nitko-nije-nevin.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/08/krunoslav-mrkoci-blagajnicahoce-pravila.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/04/krunoslav-mrkoci-stvarnost28.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/04/krunoslav-mrkoci-o-naslovima-knjizevnih.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/03/krunoslav-mrkoci_18.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/03/krunoslav-mrkoci.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/03/krunoslav-mrkoci-poezija_2.html] == == In periodico electronico ''Pravo u metu'' edita: == == * [https://pravoumetu.com/2021/03/16/umjetnicka-instalacija-krunoslav-mrkoci/] * [https://pravoumetu.com/2021/04/12/ponor-nakon-pobjede-krunoslav-mrkoci/] * [https://pravoumetu.com/2021/05/03/gadenje-nad-modernitetom-degeneracija-i-dekadencija-u-poeziji-i-prozi-od-rimbauda-preko-eliota-i-bukowskoga-do-danas-krunoslav-mrkoci/] * [https://pravoumetu.com/2021/10/09/privilegij-samoce-krunoslav-mrkoci/] * [https://pravoumetu.com/2021/12/29/modus-operandi-za-dusu-krunoslav-mrkoci/] [[Categoria:Saeculi primi vicesimi scriptores]] {{DEFAULTSORT:Tenebrosius, Coronus}} 2sjnlnn7zh9soppnlk0ycz6q1x7k45h 277088 277084 2026-08-23T10:25:59Z Coronus Tenebrosius 31709 /* Editiones Priores */ 277088 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Scriptor |Alias=Croatice ''Krunoslav Mrkoci'' |IndicisNomen=Tenebrosius, Coronus }} == Opera == * ''[[Contemplationes Metaphysicae]]'' (carmina: 1995–2025) * ''[[Puteus Chaosi]]'' (commentationes et prosæ: 2015–2025) * ''[[Carmina non adlecta]]'' (Cacumina Geminata: 1995-2025) == Editiones Priores == Opera primum Croatice edita sunt sub nomine Krunoslav Mrkoci (Latine: Coronus Tenebrosius). == == * ''Osluškivanje tišine'', Zagreb, 1998. — prima collectio poetica (Latine: ''Auscultatio silentii'') [[File:Poetry collection cover.jpg|thumb|center|Frontispicium primae collectionis poeticae “Osluškivanje tišine”.]] == == In periodico ''Riječi'' edita — editio typographica et versio electronica (PDF): == == * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/uploads/rijeci/Rijeci_svibanj_2025.pdf] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/uploads/rijeci/Rijeci_listopad_2024_9.pdf] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/uploads/rijeci/rijeci_2023_1-2.pdf] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/uploads/rijeci/rijeci_2022_3-4.pdf] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/uploads/rijeci/rijeci_2022_1-2.pdf] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/uploads/rijeci/rijeci_2021_3-4.pdf] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/izdanje/85] * [https://www.maticahrvatskasisak.hr/izdanje/103] == == In periodico electronico ''Kvaka'' edita: == == * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2018/12/krunoslav-mrkoci-jesmo-li-mi-josef-k.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/12/krunoslav-mrkoci-sjaj-i-honorar-pisaca.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/12/krunoslav-mrkoci-put-prema-svojoj.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/11/krunoslav-mrkoci-diskretan-miris.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/10/krunoslav-mrkoci-djela-koja-ne-obogacuju.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/08/krunoslav-mrkoci-biti-pjesnik.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/08/krunoslav-mrkoci-crno-bijela-fotografija.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/08/krunoslav-mrkoci-ljetna-lektira.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/07/krunoslav-mrkoci-prica-iz-hrvatske.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/07/krunoslav-mrkoci-umjetnost-danas.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/06/krunoslav-mrkoci-status-suvremenog.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/04/krunoslav-mrkoci-poljodjelska.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/03/krunoslav-mrkoci-satiricna-poezija.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/02/krunoslav-mrkoci-nerazdvojnost-djela-i.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/01/krunoslav-mrkoci-jedne-zimske-veceri.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2017/01/krunoslav-mrkoci-nadrealizam-nas.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/12/krunoslav-mrkoci-ostavljene.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/12/krunoslav-mrkoci-macka-koja-dolazi.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/12/krunoslav-mrkoci-gaenje-nad-modernitetom.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/10/krunoslav-mrkoci-nitko-nije-nevin.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/08/krunoslav-mrkoci-blagajnicahoce-pravila.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/04/krunoslav-mrkoci-stvarnost28.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/04/krunoslav-mrkoci-o-naslovima-knjizevnih.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/03/krunoslav-mrkoci_18.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/03/krunoslav-mrkoci.html] * [https://www.casopiskvaka.com.hr/2016/03/krunoslav-mrkoci-poezija_2.html] == == In periodico electronico ''Pravo u metu'' edita: == == * [https://pravoumetu.com/2021/03/16/umjetnicka-instalacija-krunoslav-mrkoci/] * [https://pravoumetu.com/2021/04/12/ponor-nakon-pobjede-krunoslav-mrkoci/] * [https://pravoumetu.com/2021/05/03/gadenje-nad-modernitetom-degeneracija-i-dekadencija-u-poeziji-i-prozi-od-rimbauda-preko-eliota-i-bukowskoga-do-danas-krunoslav-mrkoci/] * [https://pravoumetu.com/2021/10/09/privilegij-samoce-krunoslav-mrkoci/] * [https://pravoumetu.com/2021/12/29/modus-operandi-za-dusu-krunoslav-mrkoci/] [[Categoria:Saeculi primi vicesimi scriptores]] {{DEFAULTSORT:Tenebrosius, Coronus}} 4svf4ttzgahjz45pjbqx95u17jerby8 104 81067 277069 262592 2026-08-23T09:06:20Z Catgolin 32186 277069 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="Catgolin" />{{sidenotes begin|side=right}}</noinclude>== <center>Introduction</center> == {{Marginalia dextra|Contents of the present Volume.}} The present volume continues the History of the Abbots of St. Alban's, from the election and benediction (A.D. 1290–1) of John de Berkhamstede, twenty-fifth Abbot, to the earlier years of the rule of Thomas de la Mare, thirtieth Abbot, elected in 1349. {{Marginalia dextra|The compiler of the Second Section of the ''Gesta Abbatum'' hithero unknown.}} In the Introduction to the preceding Volume (p. xvii), it has been remarked that, in reference to the Second Section of the ''Gesta Abbatum'' contained in MS. Cotton. Claudius E. iv. (pp. 327–435 of the preceding Volume, pp. 3–109 of this), there seems to be no possibility of saying by whom it was compiled; while at the same time, from the allusion to Abbot Thomas de la Mare in page 413 of that Volume, it was evident that it had received at least one interpolation from the hand of Thomas Walsingham, under whose auspices the MS. was written. {{Marginalia dextra|A possible clue to the compiler of at least some of its materials.}} Some clue, however, though perhaps but a very slight one, has since been met with by the Editor, which tends to shew by whom the materials of at least the latter part of this Section were originally prepared; if indeed the whole of the section, (subjected to Walsingham's interpolations at a later date) was not originally a compilation from his pen. {{Marginalia dextra|MS. reference professing to quote from the Chronicles of Rissugre.}} In the Introduction to the Volume of the ''Chronica Mon. S. Albani'' containing the Chronicle usually ascribed to William Rishaunger, it has been remarked (p. ix, Note 3,) that in the ''Acta Johannis Whethamstede, secunda vice,'' No. III. of the Arundel MSS. in the College of Arms,<noinclude>{{sidenotes end}}</noinclude> i6aqnk218i48coodwse2ysvuc6njjkb 104 81070 277071 273877 2026-08-23T09:08:16Z Catgolin 32186 277071 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="Catgolin" />{{sidenotes begin|side=left}} {{rh|xii|INTRODUCTION.|}}</noinclude>tation would be common to the two works named in it, the commencing portion being supplied only from the original work. {{Marginalia sinistra|Another slight confirmation of the suggestion that the Second Section may have mainly proceeded from Rishanger's pen.}} Another confirmation of the suggestion, that much of the Second Section of the ''Gesta Abbatum'' was originally from Rishanger's pen, though of no very great weight, it must be admitted, may be found in the following fact. In the Volume containing the Chronicle hitherto attributed to Rishanger, (but perhaps on no sufficiently satisfactory grounds,) there is a fragment printed (pp. 411–424) of the ''Gesta Edwardi Primi'', from MSS. Bibl. Reg. 14, c. I, and Cotton. Claudius D. vi.; which, with the exception of the “Wars of the Barrons”—(''De Bellis Leues et Eusham'',)—is the only work that, with anything like absolute certainty, can be ascribed to Rishanger, as the compiler; the author disclosing himself in this instance as “''Frater Willelmus de Rissanger, Chronicator''” (p. 411). In the next page to this, reference is made to the liberation of Charles the Second, King of Naples, in the year 1287, from the hands of Alphonso the Third, King of Aragon, at the intercession of our Edward the First. The passage is “''Item, Principem de la Mure de carcere Regis Aragoniæ, ibidem personaliter accedendo, liberavit.'' Now at page 29 in the present Volume, Sectino II. of the ''Gesta Abbatum'', there is a very similar passage,—“''Dominus Edwardus Rex totam illam pecuniam recepit ad expeditionem suam, quando ivit in Arragoniam pro liberatione Principis de La Mure.'' The identity of the appellation given to Charles the Second of Naples in these two instances is at least striking. Before the death of his father, and his consequent assumptino of the crown, he was known as “Prince of Achaia,” “Prince of <ref>He is so called in the ''Annales de Winton.'', p. 406. In Oxendes' Chronicle (p. 274), he is—“''Princeps de la Mures''," and in Bartholomew Cotton (p. 170),—"''Princeps de la Moree''."</ref>Salerno,” and “Prince<noinclude>{{hr}} <references/> {{sidenotes end}}</noinclude> 4cf4fgfhllytjzm8iel13vubff856jw 2 83632 276936 276881 2026-08-22T15:17:33Z Saumache 27923 /* Tituli paginarum */ 276936 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Laxitas== ==Leges universales== ===Tituli paginarum=== # '''Forma''' solum cum maiuscula littera primum verbum tituli apparet, nisi si quid proprii verbi sit. # '''Subpaginarum tituli''' subpaginae a suis paginis parentibus linea dextrorsum inclinata distinguuntur (<code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Opera diversas partes praebentia non nuncupantur, sed numerantur (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Caesar in Vercingetoricem/]]</nowiki></code>), exceptis quibusdam operibus (e.g., Testamentis ambobus). Romani numeri sunt semper utandi (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber 1/]]</nowiki></code>, nec tamen <code><nowiki>[[/Liber primus/]]</nowiki></code>), partibusque operis eadem sunt nomina quae appareant in fonte (Carmen, Liber, Actus, etc.). # '''Discretio''' [[:Formula:discretiva]] est utenda siquando plures paginae idem nomen ferant. [[#Paginae discretivae|Paginae discretivae]] vide. ===Structura=== ===Nexus interni=== ===Paginae discretivae=== ==Leges speciales== ===Paginae scriptorum=== ===De relegendo=== ===Formulae=== ===Disputationes=== lz5cm9bb53sz6y5c7xq2qer7d5kq382 276937 276936 2026-08-22T15:19:23Z Saumache 27923 /* Tituli paginarum */ 276937 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Laxitas== ==Leges universales== ===Tituli paginarum=== # '''Forma''' solum cum maiuscula littera primum verbum tituli apparet, nisi si quid proprii verbi intersit. # '''Subpaginarum tituli''' subpaginae a suis paginis parentibus linea dextrorsum inclinata distinguuntur (<code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Opera diversas partes praebentia non nuncupantur, sed numerantur (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Caesar in Vercingetoricem/]]</nowiki></code>), exceptis quibusdam operibus (e.g., Testamentis ambobus). Romani numeri sunt semper utandi (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber 1/]]</nowiki></code>, nec tamen <code><nowiki>[[/Liber primus/]]</nowiki></code>), partibusque operis eadem sunt nomina quae appareant in fonte (Carmen, Liber, Actus, etc.). # '''Discretio''' [[:Formula:discretiva]] est utenda siquando plures paginae idem nomen ferant. [[#Paginae discretivae|Paginae discretivae]] vide. ===Structura=== ===Nexus interni=== ===Paginae discretivae=== ==Leges speciales== ===Paginae scriptorum=== ===De relegendo=== ===Formulae=== ===Disputationes=== sygugrvtind9n1hzyd5xeq811f4s0f3 276938 276937 2026-08-22T15:20:23Z Saumache 27923 /* Tituli paginarum */ 276938 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Laxitas== ==Leges universales== ===Tituli paginarum=== # '''Forma''' solum cum maiuscula littera primum verbum tituli apparet, nisi si quid proprii verbi intersit. # '''Subpaginarum tituli''' subpaginae a suis paginis parentibus linea dextrorsum inclinata distinguuntur (<code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Opera diversas partes praebentia non nuncupantur, sed numerantur (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Caesar in Vercingetoricem/]]</nowiki></code>), exceptis quibusdam operibus (e.g., Testamentis ambobus). Romani numeri sunt semper utandi (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber 1/]]</nowiki></code>, nec tamen <code><nowiki>[[/Liber primus/]]</nowiki></code>), partibusque operis eadem sunt nomina quae appareant in fonte (Carmen, Liber, Actus, etc.). # '''Discretio''' [[:Formula:discretiva]] est utenda siquando plures paginae idem nomen ferant. [[#Paginae discretivae|Paginas discretivas]] vide. ===Structura=== ===Nexus interni=== ===Paginae discretivae=== ==Leges speciales== ===Paginae scriptorum=== ===De relegendo=== ===Formulae=== ===Disputationes=== 00cqradb5ho1w9a3q13pa3sbkzp4vmw 276939 276938 2026-08-22T15:22:01Z Saumache 27923 /* Leges universales */ 276939 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Laxitas== ==Leges universales== ===Tituli paginarum=== # '''Forma''' solum cum maiuscula littera primum verbum tituli apparet, nisi si quid proprii verbi intersit. # '''Subpaginarum tituli''' subpaginae a suis paginis parentibus linea dextrorsum inclinata distinguuntur (<code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Opera diversas partes praebentia non nuncupantur, sed numerantur (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber de Caesare in Vercingetorigem/]]</nowiki></code>), exceptis quibusdam operibus (e.g., Testamentis ambobus). Romani numeri sunt semper utandi (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber 1/]]</nowiki></code>, nec tamen <code><nowiki>[[/Liber primus/]]</nowiki></code>), partibusque operis eadem sunt nomina quae appareant in fonte (Carmen, Liber, Actus, etc.). # '''Discretio''' [[:Formula:discretiva]] est utenda siquando plures paginae idem nomen ferant. [[#Paginae discretivae|Paginas discretivas]] vide. ===Structura=== ===Nexus interni=== ===Paginae discretivae=== ==Leges speciales== ===Paginae scriptorum=== ===De relegendo=== ===Formulae=== ===Disputationes=== l6d4sau0kna59x99itqi4967qnefj9y 276940 276939 2026-08-22T15:25:42Z Saumache 27923 /* Leges universales */ 276940 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Laxitas== ==Leges universales== ===De titulis paginarum=== # '''Forma''': solum cum maiuscula littera primum verbum tituli apparet, nisi si quid proprii verbi intersit. # '''Tituli subpaginarum''': subpaginae a suis paginis parentibus linea dextrorsum inclinata distinguuntur (<code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Opera diversas partes praebentia non nuncupantur, sed numerantur (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber de Caesare in Vercingetorigem/]]</nowiki></code>), exceptis quibusdam operibus (e.g., Testamentis ambobus). Romani numeri sunt semper utandi (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber 1/]]</nowiki></code>, nec tamen <code><nowiki>[[/Liber primus/]]</nowiki></code>), partibusque operis eadem sunt nomina quae appareant in fonte (Carmen, Liber, Actus, etc.). # '''Discretione''': [[:Formula:discretiva]] est utenda siquando plures paginae idem nomen ferant. [[#Paginae discretivae|Paginas discretivas]] vide. ===De structura=== ===De nexibus interni=== ===De paginis discretivis=== ==Leges speciales== ===Paginae scriptorum=== ===De relegendo=== ===Formulae=== ===Disputationes=== 03xl7d822id1wyh6a14kartpebu7tq5 276941 276940 2026-08-22T15:26:26Z Saumache 27923 /* De titulis paginarum */ 276941 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Laxitas== ==Leges universales== ===De titulis paginarum=== # '''Forma''': solum cum maiuscula littera primum verbum tituli apparet, nisi si quid proprii verbi intersit. # '''Tituli subpaginarum''': subpaginae a suis paginis parentibus linea dextrorsum inclinata distinguuntur (<code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Opera diversas partes praebentia non nuncupantur, sed numerantur (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber de Caesare in Vercingetorigem/]]</nowiki></code>), exceptis quibusdam operibus (e.g., Testamentis ambobus). Romani numeri sunt semper utandi (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber 1/]]</nowiki></code>, nec tamen <code><nowiki>[[/Liber primus/]]</nowiki></code>), partibusque operis eadem sunt nomina quae appareant in fonte (Carmen, Liber, Actus, etc.). # '''Discretio''': [[:Formula:discretiva]] est utenda siquando plures paginae idem nomen ferant. [[#Paginae discretivae|Paginas discretivas]] vide. ===De structura=== ===De nexibus interni=== ===De paginis discretivis=== ==Leges speciales== ===Paginae scriptorum=== ===De relegendo=== ===Formulae=== ===Disputationes=== fxw5kqyslzr06qlz40rw8lg95daq2m1 276942 276941 2026-08-22T15:29:08Z Saumache 27923 /* De titulis paginarum */ 276942 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Laxitas== ==Leges universales== ===De titulis paginarum=== # '''Forma''': solum cum maiuscula littera primum verbum tituli apparet, nisi si quid proprii verbi (verbive a proprio derivati) intersit. # '''Tituli subpaginarum''': subpaginae a suis paginis parentibus linea dextrorsum inclinata distinguuntur (<code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Opera diversas partes praebentia non nuncupantur, sed numerantur (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber de Caesare in Vercingetorigem/]]</nowiki></code>), exceptis quibusdam operibus (e.g., Testamentis ambobus). Romani numeri sunt semper utandi (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber 1/]]</nowiki></code>, nec tamen <code><nowiki>[[/Liber primus/]]</nowiki></code>), partibusque operis eadem sunt nomina quae appareant in fonte (Carmen, Liber, Actus, etc.). # '''Discretio''': [[:Formula:discretiva]] est utenda siquando plures paginae idem nomen ferant. [[#Paginae discretivae|Paginas discretivas]] vide. ===De structura=== ===De nexibus interni=== ===De paginis discretivis=== ==Leges speciales== ===Paginae scriptorum=== ===De relegendo=== ===Formulae=== ===Disputationes=== dn99kbs2mgvbuy988ccprr6jqoy17qf 276943 276942 2026-08-22T15:31:36Z Saumache 27923 /* De titulis paginarum */ 276943 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Laxitas== ==Leges universales== ===De titulis paginarum=== # '''Forma''': solum cum maiuscula littera primum verbum tituli apparet, nisi si quid proprii verbi (verbive a proprio derivati) intersit. # '''Tituli subpaginarum''': subpaginae a suis paginis parentibus linea dextrorsum inclinata distinguuntur (<code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Opera diversas partes praebentia non nuncupantur, sed numerantur (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber de Caesare in Vercingetorigem/]]</nowiki></code>), exceptis quibusdam operibus (e.g., Testamentis ambobus). #* Romani numeri sunt semper utandi (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber 1/]]</nowiki></code>, nec tamen <code><nowiki>[[/Liber primus/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Partibus operis eadem sunt nomina quae appareant in fonte (Carmen, Liber, Actus, etc.). # '''Discretio''': [[:Formula:discretiva]] est utenda siquando plures paginae idem nomen ferant. [[#Paginae discretivae|Paginas discretivas]] vide. ===De structura=== ===De nexibus interni=== ===De paginis discretivis=== ==Leges speciales== ===Paginae scriptorum=== ===De relegendo=== ===Formulae=== ===Disputationes=== 4x6ho369p6irsvc8fq50i1psdio8gg8 276944 276943 2026-08-22T15:56:00Z Saumache 27923 276944 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Laxitas== https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Style_guide ==Leges universales== ===De titulis paginarum=== # '''Forma:''' solum cum maiuscula littera primum verbum tituli apparet, nisi si quid proprii verbi (verbive a proprio derivati) intersit. # '''Tituli subpaginarum:''' subpaginae a suis paginis parentibus linea dextrorsum inclinata distinguuntur (<code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Opera diversas partes praebentia non nuncupantur, sed numerantur (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber de Caesare in Vercingetorigem/]]</nowiki></code>), exceptis quibusdam operibus (e.g., Testamentis ambobus). #* Romani numeri sunt semper utandi (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber 1/]]</nowiki></code>, nec tamen <code><nowiki>[[/Liber primus/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Partibus operis eadem sunt nomina quae appareant in fonte (Carmen, Liber, Actus, etc.). # '''Discretio:''' [[:Formula:discretiva]] est utenda siquando plures paginae idem nomen ferant. [[#Paginae discretivae|Paginas discretivas]] vide. ===De structura=== # '''Orthographia:''' [[Vicifons:De stilo/Orthographia]] vide. # '''Interpunctio:''' #* '''Apostrophae:''' #* ===De nexibus interni=== # '''Nexus simplices:''' # '''Ancorae:''' # '''Indices:''' ===De paginis discretivis=== ==Leges speciales== ===Paginae scriptorum=== ===De relegendo=== ===Formulae=== ===Disputationes=== fjt9y94yhu9qjfd8s5pv90kg3nt07n0 276952 276944 2026-08-22T17:31:15Z Saumache 27923 276952 wikitext text/x-wiki =De stilo= ==Laxitas== https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Style_guide ==Leges universales== ===De titulis paginarum=== # '''Forma:''' solum cum maiuscula littera primum verbum tituli apparet, nisi si quid proprii verbi (verbive a proprio derivati) intersit. # '''Tituli subpaginarum:''' subpaginae a suis paginis parentibus linea dextrorsum inclinata distinguuntur (<code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Opera diversas partes praebentia non nuncupantur, sed numerantur (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber de Caesare in Vercingetorigem/]]</nowiki></code>), exceptis quibusdam operibus (e.g., Testamentis ambobus). #* Romani numeri sunt semper utandi (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber 1/]]</nowiki></code>, nec tamen <code><nowiki>[[/Liber primus/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Partibus operis eadem sunt nomina quae appareant in fonte (Carmen, Liber, Actus, etc.). # '''Discretio:''' [[:Formula:discretiva]] est utenda siquando plures paginae idem nomen ferant. [[#Paginae discretivae|Paginas discretivas]] vide. ===De structura=== # '''Orthographia:''' [[Vicifons:De stilo/Orthographia]] vide. # '''Interpunctio:''' #* '''Apostrophae:''' #* ===De nexibus interni=== # '''Nexus simplices:''' # '''Ancorae:''' # '''Indices:''' ===De paginis discretivis=== ==Leges speciales== ===Paginae scriptorum=== ===De relegendo=== ===Formulae=== ===Disputationes=== ==De operibus antiquis== Ex re nostra est laxius in aemulandis antiquissimorum operum editionibus esse, et quod ipsa antiquitas nobis libertatem et ius alicuius normae inducendae dat, optimum ad usum usorum, tum lectorum cum editorum, et sane quod eo facilius nobis paginae recensendae sunt. Qua re decet antiqua opera aliquam uniformitatem praestare. =De orthographia= ==De operibus antiquis== ===De litteris=== ====Noli uti litteris J/j==== ''Ratio:'' Litterae illae recentes non e numero litterarum Romanarum sunt quibus quidem antiquitas utebatur. Quas licet multi linguae Latinae studiosi nostris diebus scribant, Vicifons tamen antiquum sequitur morem, praesertim cum constet illas non multum ad vitia orthographica evitanda prodesse eisque omissis paginas facilius esse inventu. ====Utere U/u et V/v==== ''Ratio:'' Litteras autem ''U'' et ''u'', quamquam et eae a veteribus non scribebantur, apud Vicipaediam a ''V'' et ''v'' distingui solent. Quod nunc usu receptum esse evincunt editiones veterum auctorum librique ad usum nostrarum scholarum scripti sicut ''Wheelock's Latin'' aut ''The Cambridge Latin Course''. Ergo scribe ''verbum'', ne scripseris ''uerbum'' neque ''verbvm''. ====Utere diaeresibus ''Aë'' vel ''aë'' et ''Oë'' vel ''oë''!==== ''Ratio:'' Oportet diaeresibus uti ne ligaturae in paginis nostris monstrentur si praeferentiae mutantur. Diaereses saepe in latinitate hodierna adhibentur quia confusionem vitant. ====Noli uti ligaturis Æ/æ et Œ/œ==== ''Ratio:'' Etsi ligaturae haud rarae nobis occurrunt in monumentis epigraphicis (i.e. inscriptionibus) et palaeographicis (i.e. libris manu scriptis), magnopere obstant quominus loci inquisitione electronica inveniantur; hortamur ergo ut vitentur. Si ligaturas in deliciis habes, perfacile licet machina illa quod navigatrum vocamus rite aptata litteratura uti quae ligaturas monstret. ===De verbis maiusculis scriptis=== Regulae de usu U/u et V/v excepta sunt verba maiusculis exarata, e.g., ''DIS DEABVSQVE''. 05d6nqkpotq26kkb9ocjq6nj3zig3i0 276953 276952 2026-08-22T17:36:20Z Saumache 27923 /* De operibus antiquis */ 276953 wikitext text/x-wiki =De stilo= ==Laxitas== https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Style_guide ==Leges universales== ===De titulis paginarum=== # '''Forma:''' solum cum maiuscula littera primum verbum tituli apparet, nisi si quid proprii verbi (verbive a proprio derivati) intersit. # '''Tituli subpaginarum:''' subpaginae a suis paginis parentibus linea dextrorsum inclinata distinguuntur (<code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Opera diversas partes praebentia non nuncupantur, sed numerantur (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber de Caesare in Vercingetorigem/]]</nowiki></code>), exceptis quibusdam operibus (e.g., Testamentis ambobus). #* Romani numeri sunt semper utandi (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber 1/]]</nowiki></code>, nec tamen <code><nowiki>[[/Liber primus/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Partibus operis eadem sunt nomina quae appareant in fonte (Carmen, Liber, Actus, etc.). # '''Discretio:''' [[:Formula:discretiva]] est utenda siquando plures paginae idem nomen ferant. [[#Paginae discretivae|Paginas discretivas]] vide. ===De structura=== # '''Orthographia:''' [[Vicifons:De stilo/Orthographia]] vide. # '''Interpunctio:''' #* '''Apostrophae:''' #* ===De nexibus interni=== # '''Nexus simplices:''' # '''Ancorae:''' # '''Indices:''' ===De paginis discretivis=== ==Leges speciales== ===Paginae scriptorum=== ===De relegendo=== ===Formulae=== ===Disputationes=== ==De operibus antiquis== Ex re nostra est laxius in aemulandis antiquissimorum operum editionibus esse, et quod ipsa antiquitas nobis libertatem et ius cuiusdam normae inducendae dat, optimum ad usum usorum, tum lectorum cum editorum, et sane quod eo facilius nobis paginae recensendae sunt. Qua re decet antiqua opera uniformitatem praestare. =De orthographia= ==De operibus antiquis== ===De litteris=== ====Noli uti litteris J/j==== ''Ratio:'' Litterae illae recentes non e numero litterarum Romanarum sunt quibus quidem antiquitas utebatur. Quas licet multi linguae Latinae studiosi nostris diebus scribant, Vicifons tamen antiquum sequitur morem, praesertim cum constet illas non multum ad vitia orthographica evitanda prodesse eisque omissis paginas facilius esse inventu. ====Utere U/u et V/v==== ''Ratio:'' Litteras autem ''U'' et ''u'', quamquam et eae a veteribus non scribebantur, apud Vicipaediam a ''V'' et ''v'' distingui solent. Quod nunc usu receptum esse evincunt editiones veterum auctorum librique ad usum nostrarum scholarum scripti sicut ''Wheelock's Latin'' aut ''The Cambridge Latin Course''. Ergo scribe ''verbum'', ne scripseris ''uerbum'' neque ''verbvm''. ====Utere diaeresibus ''Aë'' vel ''aë'' et ''Oë'' vel ''oë''!==== ''Ratio:'' Oportet diaeresibus uti ne ligaturae in paginis nostris monstrentur si praeferentiae mutantur. Diaereses saepe in latinitate hodierna adhibentur quia confusionem vitant. ====Noli uti ligaturis Æ/æ et Œ/œ==== ''Ratio:'' Etsi ligaturae haud rarae nobis occurrunt in monumentis epigraphicis (i.e. inscriptionibus) et palaeographicis (i.e. libris manu scriptis), magnopere obstant quominus loci inquisitione electronica inveniantur; hortamur ergo ut vitentur. Si ligaturas in deliciis habes, perfacile licet machina illa quod navigatrum vocamus rite aptata litteratura uti quae ligaturas monstret. ===De verbis maiusculis scriptis=== Regulae de usu U/u et V/v excepta sunt verba maiusculis exarata, e.g., ''DIS DEABVSQVE''. isv5v5tjq826qg1c15wx4oyk76qexii 276954 276953 2026-08-22T17:37:53Z Saumache 27923 /* De operibus antiquis */ 276954 wikitext text/x-wiki =De stilo= ==Laxitas== https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Style_guide ==Leges universales== ===De titulis paginarum=== # '''Forma:''' solum cum maiuscula littera primum verbum tituli apparet, nisi si quid proprii verbi (verbive a proprio derivati) intersit. # '''Tituli subpaginarum:''' subpaginae a suis paginis parentibus linea dextrorsum inclinata distinguuntur (<code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Opera diversas partes praebentia non nuncupantur, sed numerantur (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber de Caesare in Vercingetorigem/]]</nowiki></code>), exceptis quibusdam operibus (e.g., Testamentis ambobus). #* Romani numeri sunt semper utandi (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber 1/]]</nowiki></code>, nec tamen <code><nowiki>[[/Liber primus/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Partibus operis eadem sunt nomina quae appareant in fonte (Carmen, Liber, Actus, etc.). # '''Discretio:''' [[:Formula:discretiva]] est utenda siquando plures paginae idem nomen ferant. [[#Paginae discretivae|Paginas discretivas]] vide. ===De structura=== # '''Orthographia:''' [[Vicifons:De stilo/Orthographia]] vide. # '''Interpunctio:''' #* '''Apostrophae:''' #* ===De nexibus interni=== # '''Nexus simplices:''' # '''Ancorae:''' # '''Indices:''' ===De paginis discretivis=== ==Leges speciales== ===Paginae scriptorum=== ===De relegendo=== ===Formulae=== ===Disputationes=== ==De operibus antiquis== Ex re nostra est laxius in aemulandis antiquissimorum operum editionibus esse, et quod ipsa antiquitas nobis libertatem et ius cuiusdam normae inducendae dat, optimum ad usum usorum, tum lectorum cum editorum, et sane quod eo facilius nobis paginae recensendae sunt. Qua re decet antiqua opera uniformitatem praestare. =De orthographia= ==De operibus antiquis== ===De litteris=== ====Noli uti litteris J/j==== ''Ratio:'' Litterae illae recentes non e numero litterarum Romanarum sunt quibus quidem antiquitas utebatur. Quas licet multi linguae Latinae studiosi nostris diebus scribant, Vicifons tamen antiquum sequitur morem, praesertim cum constet illas non multum ad vitia orthographica evitanda prodesse eisque omissis paginas facilius esse inventu. ====Utere U/u et V/v==== ''Ratio:'' Litteras autem ''U'' et ''u'', quamquam et eae a veteribus non scribebantur, apud Vicipaediam a ''V'' et ''v'' distingui solent. Quod nunc usu receptum esse evincunt editiones veterum auctorum librique ad usum nostrarum scholarum scripti sicut ''Wheelock's Latin'' aut ''The Cambridge Latin Course''. Ergo scribe ''verbum'', ne scripseris ''uerbum'' neque ''verbvm''. <!--====Utere diaeresibus ''Aë'' vel ''aë'' et ''Oë'' vel ''oë''!==== ''Ratio:'' Oportet diaeresibus uti ne ligaturae in paginis nostris monstrentur si praeferentiae mutantur. Diaereses saepe in latinitate hodierna adhibentur quia confusionem vitant. --> ====Noli uti ligaturis Æ/æ et Œ/œ==== ''Ratio:'' Etsi ligaturae haud rarae nobis occurrunt in monumentis epigraphicis (i.e. inscriptionibus) et palaeographicis (i.e. libris manu scriptis), magnopere obstant quominus loci inquisitione electronica inveniantur; hortamur ergo ut vitentur. Si ligaturas in deliciis habes, perfacile licet machina illa quod navigatrum vocamus rite aptata litteratura uti quae ligaturas monstret. ===De verbis maiusculis scriptis=== Regulae de usu U/u et V/v excepta sunt verba maiusculis exarata, e.g., ''DIS DEABVSQVE''. b9m0269z3gs8ewp8d3wwsv1wnksb71u 276964 276954 2026-08-22T18:00:46Z Saumache 27923 /* De orthographia */ 276964 wikitext text/x-wiki =De stilo= ==Laxitas== https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Style_guide ==Leges universales== ===De titulis paginarum=== # '''Forma:''' solum cum maiuscula littera primum verbum tituli apparet, nisi si quid proprii verbi (verbive a proprio derivati) intersit. # '''Tituli subpaginarum:''' subpaginae a suis paginis parentibus linea dextrorsum inclinata distinguuntur (<code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Opera diversas partes praebentia non nuncupantur, sed numerantur (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber de Caesare in Vercingetorigem/]]</nowiki></code>), exceptis quibusdam operibus (e.g., Testamentis ambobus). #* Romani numeri sunt semper utandi (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber 1/]]</nowiki></code>, nec tamen <code><nowiki>[[/Liber primus/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Partibus operis eadem sunt nomina quae appareant in fonte (Carmen, Liber, Actus, etc.). # '''Discretio:''' [[:Formula:discretiva]] est utenda siquando plures paginae idem nomen ferant. [[#Paginae discretivae|Paginas discretivas]] vide. ===De structura=== # '''Orthographia:''' [[Vicifons:De stilo/Orthographia]] vide. # '''Interpunctio:''' #* '''Apostrophae:''' #* ===De nexibus interni=== # '''Nexus simplices:''' # '''Ancorae:''' # '''Indices:''' ===De paginis discretivis=== ==Leges speciales== ===Paginae scriptorum=== ===De relegendo=== ===Formulae=== ===Disputationes=== ==De operibus antiquis== Ex re nostra est laxius in aemulandis antiquissimorum operum editionibus esse, et quod ipsa antiquitas nobis libertatem et ius cuiusdam normae inducendae dat, optimum ad usum usorum, tum lectorum cum editorum, et sane quod eo facilius nobis paginae recensendae sunt. Qua re decet antiqua opera uniformitatem praestare. =De orthographia= ==De operibus antiquis== ===De litteris=== ====Noli uti litteris J/j==== ''Ratio:'' Litterae illae recentes non e numero litterarum Romanarum sunt quibus quidem antiquitas utebatur. Quas licet multi linguae Latinae studiosi nostris diebus scribant, Vicifons tamen antiquum sequitur morem, praesertim cum constet illas non multum ad vitia orthographica evitanda prodesse eisque omissis paginas facilius esse inventu. ====Utere U/u et V/v==== ''Ratio:'' Litteras autem ''U'' et ''u'', quamquam et eae a veteribus non scribebantur, apud Vicipaediam a ''V'' et ''v'' distingui solent. Quod nunc usu receptum esse evincunt editiones veterum auctorum librique ad usum nostrarum scholarum scripti sicut ''Wheelock's Latin'' aut ''The Cambridge Latin Course''. Ergo scribe ''verbum'', ne scripseris ''uerbum'' neque ''verbvm''. <!--====Utere diaeresibus ''Aë'' vel ''aë'' et ''Oë'' vel ''oë''!==== ''Ratio:'' Oportet diaeresibus uti ne ligaturae in paginis nostris monstrentur si praeferentiae mutantur. Diaereses saepe in latinitate hodierna adhibentur quia confusionem vitant. --> ====Noli uti ligaturis Æ/æ et Œ/œ==== ''Ratio:'' Etsi ligaturae haud rarae nobis occurrunt in monumentis epigraphicis (i.e. inscriptionibus) et palaeographicis (i.e. libris manu scriptis), magnopere obstant quominus loci inquisitione electronica inveniantur; hortamur ergo ut vitentur. Si ligaturas in deliciis habes, perfacile licet machina illa quod navigatrum vocamus rite aptata litteratura uti quae ligaturas monstret. ===De verbis maiusculis scriptis=== Regulae de usu U/u et V/v excepta sunt verba maiusculis exarata, e.g., ''DIS DEABVSQVE''. De litteris Graecis De verbis a propriis derivatis De pa4riwlp331murbusd5jedhhn4rbpl6 276968 276964 2026-08-22T18:18:44Z Saumache 27923 /* De structura */ 276968 wikitext text/x-wiki =De stilo= ==Laxitas== https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Style_guide ==Leges universales== ===De titulis paginarum=== # '''Forma:''' solum cum maiuscula littera primum verbum tituli apparet, nisi si quid proprii verbi (verbive a proprio derivati) intersit. # '''Tituli subpaginarum:''' subpaginae a suis paginis parentibus linea dextrorsum inclinata distinguuntur (<code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Opera diversas partes praebentia non nuncupantur, sed numerantur (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber de Caesare in Vercingetorigem/]]</nowiki></code>), exceptis quibusdam operibus (e.g., Testamentis ambobus). #* Romani numeri sunt semper utandi (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber 1/]]</nowiki></code>, nec tamen <code><nowiki>[[/Liber primus/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Partibus operis eadem sunt nomina quae appareant in fonte (Carmen, Liber, Actus, etc.). # '''Discretio:''' [[:Formula:discretiva]] est utenda siquando plures paginae idem nomen ferant. [[#Paginae discretivae|Paginas discretivas]] vide. ===De structura=== # '''Orthographia:''' [[Vicifons:De stilo/Orthographia]] vide. # '''Interpunctio:''' #* '''Apostrophae:''' #* maiusculae initio sententiae ===De nexibus interni=== # '''Nexus simplices:''' # '''Ancorae:''' # '''Indices:''' ===De paginis discretivis=== ==Leges speciales== ===Paginae scriptorum=== ===De relegendo=== ===Formulae=== ===Disputationes=== ==De operibus antiquis== Ex re nostra est laxius in aemulandis antiquissimorum operum editionibus esse, et quod ipsa antiquitas nobis libertatem et ius cuiusdam normae inducendae dat, optimum ad usum usorum, tum lectorum cum editorum, et sane quod eo facilius nobis paginae recensendae sunt. Qua re decet antiqua opera uniformitatem praestare. =De orthographia= ==De operibus antiquis== ===De litteris=== ====Noli uti litteris J/j==== ''Ratio:'' Litterae illae recentes non e numero litterarum Romanarum sunt quibus quidem antiquitas utebatur. Quas licet multi linguae Latinae studiosi nostris diebus scribant, Vicifons tamen antiquum sequitur morem, praesertim cum constet illas non multum ad vitia orthographica evitanda prodesse eisque omissis paginas facilius esse inventu. ====Utere U/u et V/v==== ''Ratio:'' Litteras autem ''U'' et ''u'', quamquam et eae a veteribus non scribebantur, apud Vicipaediam a ''V'' et ''v'' distingui solent. Quod nunc usu receptum esse evincunt editiones veterum auctorum librique ad usum nostrarum scholarum scripti sicut ''Wheelock's Latin'' aut ''The Cambridge Latin Course''. Ergo scribe ''verbum'', ne scripseris ''uerbum'' neque ''verbvm''. <!--====Utere diaeresibus ''Aë'' vel ''aë'' et ''Oë'' vel ''oë''!==== ''Ratio:'' Oportet diaeresibus uti ne ligaturae in paginis nostris monstrentur si praeferentiae mutantur. Diaereses saepe in latinitate hodierna adhibentur quia confusionem vitant. --> ====Noli uti ligaturis Æ/æ et Œ/œ==== ''Ratio:'' Etsi ligaturae haud rarae nobis occurrunt in monumentis epigraphicis (i.e. inscriptionibus) et palaeographicis (i.e. libris manu scriptis), magnopere obstant quominus loci inquisitione electronica inveniantur; hortamur ergo ut vitentur. Si ligaturas in deliciis habes, perfacile licet machina illa quod navigatrum vocamus rite aptata litteratura uti quae ligaturas monstret. ===De verbis maiusculis scriptis=== Regulae de usu U/u et V/v excepta sunt verba maiusculis exarata, e.g., ''DIS DEABVSQVE''. De litteris Graecis De verbis a propriis derivatis De 31j3vflccuhi44yp9modgsch2meahqj 276981 276968 2026-08-22T20:50:36Z Saumache 27923 /* De operibus antiquis */ 276981 wikitext text/x-wiki =De stilo= ==Laxitas== https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Style_guide ==Leges universales== ===De titulis paginarum=== # '''Forma:''' solum cum maiuscula littera primum verbum tituli apparet, nisi si quid proprii verbi (verbive a proprio derivati) intersit. # '''Tituli subpaginarum:''' subpaginae a suis paginis parentibus linea dextrorsum inclinata distinguuntur (<code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Opera diversas partes praebentia non nuncupantur, sed numerantur (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber de Caesare in Vercingetorigem/]]</nowiki></code>), exceptis quibusdam operibus (e.g., Testamentis ambobus). #* Romani numeri sunt semper utandi (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber 1/]]</nowiki></code>, nec tamen <code><nowiki>[[/Liber primus/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Partibus operis eadem sunt nomina quae appareant in fonte (Carmen, Liber, Actus, etc.). # '''Discretio:''' [[:Formula:discretiva]] est utenda siquando plures paginae idem nomen ferant. [[#Paginae discretivae|Paginas discretivas]] vide. ===De structura=== # '''Orthographia:''' [[Vicifons:De stilo/Orthographia]] vide. # '''Interpunctio:''' #* '''Apostrophae:''' #* maiusculae initio sententiae ===De nexibus interni=== # '''Nexus simplices:''' # '''Ancorae:''' # '''Indices:''' ===De paginis discretivis=== ==Leges speciales== ===Paginae scriptorum=== ===De relegendo=== ===Formulae=== ===Disputationes=== ==De operibus antiquis== Ex re nostra est laxius in aemulandis antiquissimorum operum editionibus esse, et quod ipsa antiquitas nobis libertatem et ius cuiusdam normae inducendae dat, optimum ad usum usorum, tum lectorum cum editorum, et sane quod eo facilius nobis paginae recensendae sunt. Qua re decet antiqua opera uniformitatem praestare. =De orthographia= ==De operibus antiquis== ===De litteris=== ====Noli uti litteris J/j==== ''Ratio:'' Litterae illae recentes non e numero litterarum Romanarum sunt quibus quidem antiquitas utebatur. Quas licet multi linguae Latinae studiosi nostris diebus scribant, Vicifons tamen antiquum sequitur morem, praesertim cum constet illas non multum ad vitia orthographica evitanda prodesse eisque omissis paginas facilius esse inventu. ====Utere U/u et V/v==== ''Ratio:'' Litteras autem ''U'' et ''u'', quamquam et eae a veteribus non scribebantur, apud Vicifontem a ''V'' et ''v'' distingui solent. Quod nunc usu receptum esse evincunt editiones veterum auctorum librique ad usum nostrarum scholarum scripti sicut ''Wheelock's Latin'' aut ''The Cambridge Latin Course''. Ergo scribe ''verbum'', ne scripseris ''uerbum'' neque ''verbvm''. <!--====Utere diaeresibus ''Aë'' vel ''aë'' et ''Oë'' vel ''oë''!==== ''Ratio:'' Oportet diaeresibus uti ne ligaturae in paginis nostris monstrentur si praeferentiae mutantur. Diaereses saepe in latinitate hodierna adhibentur quia confusionem vitant. --> ====Noli uti ligaturis Æ/æ et Œ/œ==== ''Ratio:'' Etsi ligaturae haud rarae nobis occurrunt in monumentis epigraphicis (i.e. inscriptionibus) et palaeographicis (i.e. libris manu scriptis), magnopere obstant quominus loci inquisitione electronica inveniantur; hortamur ergo ut vitentur. Si ligaturas in deliciis habes, perfacile licet machina illa quod navigatrum vocamus rite aptata litteratura uti quae ligaturas monstret. ===De verbis maiusculis scriptis=== Regulae de usu U/u et V/v excepta sunt verba maiusculis exarata, e.g., ''DIS DEABVSQVE''. De litteris Graecis De verbis a propriis derivatis De px5r6qpxdj5t81zinlq4ksn6to21b4b 276993 276981 2026-08-22T21:17:21Z Saumache 27923 /* De operibus antiquis */ 276993 wikitext text/x-wiki =De stilo= ==Laxitas== https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Style_guide ==Leges universales== ===De titulis paginarum=== # '''Forma:''' solum cum maiuscula littera primum verbum tituli apparet, nisi si quid proprii verbi (verbive a proprio derivati) intersit. # '''Tituli subpaginarum:''' subpaginae a suis paginis parentibus linea dextrorsum inclinata distinguuntur (<code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Opera diversas partes praebentia non nuncupantur, sed numerantur (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber de Caesare in Vercingetorigem/]]</nowiki></code>), exceptis quibusdam operibus (e.g., Testamentis ambobus). #* Romani numeri sunt semper utandi (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber 1/]]</nowiki></code>, nec tamen <code><nowiki>[[/Liber primus/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Partibus operis eadem sunt nomina quae appareant in fonte (Carmen, Liber, Actus, etc.). # '''Discretio:''' [[:Formula:discretiva]] est utenda siquando plures paginae idem nomen ferant. [[#Paginae discretivae|Paginas discretivas]] vide. ===De structura=== # '''Orthographia:''' [[Vicifons:De stilo/Orthographia]] vide. # '''Interpunctio:''' #* '''Apostrophae:''' #* maiusculae initio sententiae ===De nexibus interni=== # '''Nexus simplices:''' # '''Ancorae:''' # '''Indices:''' ===De paginis discretivis=== ==Leges speciales== ===Paginae scriptorum=== ===De relegendo=== ===Formulae=== ===Disputationes=== ==De operibus antiquis== Ex re nostra est laxius in exscribendis antiquissimorum operum editionibus esse, et quod ipsa antiquitas nobis libertatem et ius cuiusdam normae inducendae dat, optimum ad usum usorum, tum lectorum cum editorum, et sane quod eo facilius nobis paginae recensendae sunt. Qua re decet antiqua opera uniformitatem praestare. =De orthographia= ==De operibus antiquis== ===De litteris=== ====Noli uti litteris J/j==== ''Ratio:'' Litterae illae recentes non e numero litterarum Romanarum sunt quibus quidem antiquitas utebatur. Quas licet multi linguae Latinae studiosi nostris diebus scribant, Vicifons tamen antiquum sequitur morem, praesertim cum constet illas non multum ad vitia orthographica evitanda prodesse eisque omissis paginas facilius esse inventu. ====Utere U/u et V/v==== ''Ratio:'' Litteras autem ''U'' et ''u'', quamquam et eae a veteribus non scribebantur, apud Vicifontem a ''V'' et ''v'' distingui solent. Quod nunc usu receptum esse evincunt editiones veterum auctorum librique ad usum nostrarum scholarum scripti sicut ''Wheelock's Latin'' aut ''The Cambridge Latin Course''. Ergo scribe ''verbum'', ne scripseris ''uerbum'' neque ''verbvm''. <!--====Utere diaeresibus ''Aë'' vel ''aë'' et ''Oë'' vel ''oë''!==== ''Ratio:'' Oportet diaeresibus uti ne ligaturae in paginis nostris monstrentur si praeferentiae mutantur. Diaereses saepe in latinitate hodierna adhibentur quia confusionem vitant. --> ====Noli uti ligaturis Æ/æ et Œ/œ==== ''Ratio:'' Etsi ligaturae haud rarae nobis occurrunt in monumentis epigraphicis (i.e. inscriptionibus) et palaeographicis (i.e. libris manu scriptis), magnopere obstant quominus loci inquisitione electronica inveniantur; hortamur ergo ut vitentur. Si ligaturas in deliciis habes, perfacile licet machina illa quod navigatrum vocamus rite aptata litteratura uti quae ligaturas monstret. ===De verbis maiusculis scriptis=== Regulae de usu U/u et V/v excepta sunt verba maiusculis exarata, e.g., ''DIS DEABVSQVE''. De litteris Graecis De verbis a propriis derivatis De gx77a2uhjenqlghtwmhgxt4yux5k3dh 276997 276993 2026-08-22T21:26:21Z Saumache 27923 /* De operibus antiquis */ 276997 wikitext text/x-wiki =De stilo= ==Laxitas== https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Style_guide ==Leges universales== ===De titulis paginarum=== # '''Forma:''' solum cum maiuscula littera primum verbum tituli apparet, nisi si quid proprii verbi (verbive a proprio derivati) intersit. # '''Tituli subpaginarum:''' subpaginae a suis paginis parentibus linea dextrorsum inclinata distinguuntur (<code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Opera diversas partes praebentia non nuncupantur, sed numerantur (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber de Caesare in Vercingetorigem/]]</nowiki></code>), exceptis quibusdam operibus (e.g., Testamentis ambobus). #* Romani numeri sunt semper utandi (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber 1/]]</nowiki></code>, nec tamen <code><nowiki>[[/Liber primus/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Partibus operis eadem sunt nomina quae appareant in fonte (Carmen, Liber, Actus, etc.). # '''Discretio:''' [[:Formula:discretiva]] est utenda siquando plures paginae idem nomen ferant. [[#Paginae discretivae|Paginas discretivas]] vide. ===De structura=== # '''Orthographia:''' [[Vicifons:De stilo/Orthographia]] vide. # '''Interpunctio:''' #* '''Apostrophae:''' #* maiusculae initio sententiae ===De nexibus interni=== # '''Nexus simplices:''' # '''Ancorae:''' # '''Indices:''' ===De paginis discretivis=== ==Leges speciales== ===Paginae scriptorum=== ===De relegendo=== ===Formulae=== ===Disputationes=== ==De operibus antiquis== Ex re est nostra laxius in excribendis antiquissimorum operum editionibus esse, et quod ipsa antiquitas nobis libertatem et ius cuiusdam normae inducendae dat, optimum ad usum usorum, tum lectorum cum editorum, et sane quod eo facilius nobis paginae recensendae sunt. Qua re decet antiqua opera uniformitatem praestare. =De orthographia= ==De operibus antiquis== ===De litteris=== ====Noli uti litteris J/j==== ''Ratio:'' Litterae illae recentes non e numero litterarum Romanarum sunt quibus quidem antiquitas utebatur. Quas licet multi linguae Latinae studiosi nostris diebus scribant, Vicifons tamen antiquum sequitur morem, praesertim cum constet illas non multum ad vitia orthographica evitanda prodesse eisque omissis paginas facilius esse inventu. ====Utere U/u et V/v==== ''Ratio:'' Litteras autem ''U'' et ''u'', quamquam et eae a veteribus non scribebantur, apud Vicifontem a ''V'' et ''v'' distingui solent. Quod nunc usu receptum esse evincunt editiones veterum auctorum librique ad usum nostrarum scholarum scripti sicut ''Wheelock's Latin'' aut ''The Cambridge Latin Course''. Ergo scribe ''verbum'', ne scripseris ''uerbum'' neque ''verbvm''. <!--====Utere diaeresibus ''Aë'' vel ''aë'' et ''Oë'' vel ''oë''!==== ''Ratio:'' Oportet diaeresibus uti ne ligaturae in paginis nostris monstrentur si praeferentiae mutantur. Diaereses saepe in latinitate hodierna adhibentur quia confusionem vitant. --> ====Noli uti ligaturis Æ/æ et Œ/œ==== ''Ratio:'' Etsi ligaturae haud rarae nobis occurrunt in monumentis epigraphicis (i.e. inscriptionibus) et palaeographicis (i.e. libris manu scriptis), magnopere obstant quominus loci inquisitione electronica inveniantur; hortamur ergo ut vitentur. Si ligaturas in deliciis habes, perfacile licet machina illa quod navigatrum vocamus rite aptata litteratura uti quae ligaturas monstret. ===De verbis maiusculis scriptis=== Regulae de usu U/u et V/v excepta sunt verba maiusculis exarata, e.g., ''DIS DEABVSQVE''. De litteris Graecis De verbis a propriis derivatis De pyuqhuy2d5ucfoa3czopgon4bz61fq3 276998 276997 2026-08-22T21:27:09Z Saumache 27923 /* De operibus antiquis */ 276998 wikitext text/x-wiki =De stilo= ==Laxitas== https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Style_guide ==Leges universales== ===De titulis paginarum=== # '''Forma:''' solum cum maiuscula littera primum verbum tituli apparet, nisi si quid proprii verbi (verbive a proprio derivati) intersit. # '''Tituli subpaginarum:''' subpaginae a suis paginis parentibus linea dextrorsum inclinata distinguuntur (<code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Opera diversas partes praebentia non nuncupantur, sed numerantur (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber de Caesare in Vercingetorigem/]]</nowiki></code>), exceptis quibusdam operibus (e.g., Testamentis ambobus). #* Romani numeri sunt semper utandi (e.g., <code><nowiki>[[/Liber I/]]</nowiki></code>, numquam <code><nowiki>[[/Liber 1/]]</nowiki></code>, nec tamen <code><nowiki>[[/Liber primus/]]</nowiki></code>). #* Partibus operis eadem sunt nomina quae appareant in fonte (Carmen, Liber, Actus, etc.). # '''Discretio:''' [[:Formula:discretiva]] est utenda siquando plures paginae idem nomen ferant. [[#Paginae discretivae|Paginas discretivas]] vide. ===De structura=== # '''Orthographia:''' [[Vicifons:De stilo/Orthographia]] vide. # '''Interpunctio:''' #* '''Apostrophae:''' #* maiusculae initio sententiae ===De nexibus interni=== # '''Nexus simplices:''' # '''Ancorae:''' # '''Indices:''' ===De paginis discretivis=== ==Leges speciales== ===Paginae scriptorum=== ===De relegendo=== ===Formulae=== ===Disputationes=== ==De operibus antiquis== Ex re est nostra laxius in excribendis antiquissimorum operum editionibus esse, et quod ipsa antiquitas nobis libertatem et ius cuiusdam normae inducendae dat, optimum ad usum usorum, tum lectorum cum editorum, et sane quod eo facilius paginae recensentur. Qua re decet antiqua opera uniformitatem praestare. =De orthographia= ==De operibus antiquis== ===De litteris=== ====Noli uti litteris J/j==== ''Ratio:'' Litterae illae recentes non e numero litterarum Romanarum sunt quibus quidem antiquitas utebatur. Quas licet multi linguae Latinae studiosi nostris diebus scribant, Vicifons tamen antiquum sequitur morem, praesertim cum constet illas non multum ad vitia orthographica evitanda prodesse eisque omissis paginas facilius esse inventu. ====Utere U/u et V/v==== ''Ratio:'' Litteras autem ''U'' et ''u'', quamquam et eae a veteribus non scribebantur, apud Vicifontem a ''V'' et ''v'' distingui solent. Quod nunc usu receptum esse evincunt editiones veterum auctorum librique ad usum nostrarum scholarum scripti sicut ''Wheelock's Latin'' aut ''The Cambridge Latin Course''. Ergo scribe ''verbum'', ne scripseris ''uerbum'' neque ''verbvm''. <!--====Utere diaeresibus ''Aë'' vel ''aë'' et ''Oë'' vel ''oë''!==== ''Ratio:'' Oportet diaeresibus uti ne ligaturae in paginis nostris monstrentur si praeferentiae mutantur. Diaereses saepe in latinitate hodierna adhibentur quia confusionem vitant. --> ====Noli uti ligaturis Æ/æ et Œ/œ==== ''Ratio:'' Etsi ligaturae haud rarae nobis occurrunt in monumentis epigraphicis (i.e. inscriptionibus) et palaeographicis (i.e. libris manu scriptis), magnopere obstant quominus loci inquisitione electronica inveniantur; hortamur ergo ut vitentur. Si ligaturas in deliciis habes, perfacile licet machina illa quod navigatrum vocamus rite aptata litteratura uti quae ligaturas monstret. ===De verbis maiusculis scriptis=== Regulae de usu U/u et V/v excepta sunt verba maiusculis exarata, e.g., ''DIS DEABVSQVE''. De litteris Graecis De verbis a propriis derivatis De 36r9ezpeyh0iltbq4lnfqgsjuk3zkf0 102 84493 276930 275726 2026-08-22T14:15:57Z Coronus Tenebrosius 31709 276930 wikitext text/x-wiki == Friedrich Hölderlin (1770–1843) == [[File:FK Hiemer - Friedrich Hölderlin (Pastell 1792).jpg|thumb|center|Friedrich Hölderlin (1792), Franz Carl Hiemer]] Poeta et scriptor Germanicus, philosophus atque interpres linguae Graecae antiquae, praesertim operum Sophoclis et Pindari. = Opera = * [[Ad Parcas]] * [[Olim et nunc]] * [[Curriculum vitae]] * [[Brevitas]] * [[Dimidium vitae]] * [[Aetas vitae]] * [[Maturi sunt, igne immersi, decocti]] == Nota == Ex Germanico Latine vertit Coronus Tenebrosius. 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STEPHANO SABAITA THAUMATURGO MONACHO}}}} {{center|{{xx-maior|IN LAURA S. SABÆ PROPE HIEROSOLYMAM.}}}} {{left sidenote|J. P.}} {{center|{{x-maior|COMMENTARIUS PRÆVIUS}}}} <div class="sub-caput-center">§ I. Brevis Lauræ notitia; Sancti cultus; distinctio.</div> {| class="table-text" |- | {{left sidenote|ANNO DCCXCIV.}} '''T'''''omo tertio Martii nostri, pag. 166 in Commentario prævio numero DCCXCIV, primo, brevis data fuit notitia Lauræ S. Sabæ, occasione viginti monachorum ejusdem loci Martyrum. {{left sidenote|Longior Lauræ notitia reservatur in diem 5 Decembris, S. Sabæ, ejusdem auctori sacrum.}} Prolixiorem reservamus in diem V Decembris, S. Sabæ Abbatis, illius loci auctori sacrum; ad cujus Acta, sicut ibidem præmonuimus, plenius tractari poterit de ejus situ, incrementis, perturbationibus ac desolatione. Nominis etiam etymon, definitio, distinctio à monasterio, ac vivendi in ea monachorum norma materiam præbere tum poterunt ulteriori inquisitioni.'' {{left sidenote|'''B'''}} Maxima ''enim'' & illustrissima Laura, omnibus Palæstinæ Lauris eminentior, ''teste Cyrillo Scythopolitano in Vita S. Sabæ, à Cotelero edita tomo 3 Ecclesiæ Græcæ Monumentorum pag. 229, supra alias, sparsim ibidem variis locis recensitas, nimirum'' Novam Lauram, Lauram Turricularum, Firmini, ''ac Sucæ altius evecta; cujus non minima laus est,'' S. Stephanum Thaumaturgum ''protulisse atque aluisse''. {{left sidenote|Annuntiationes ex Synaxariis Græcis nostri Stephani alicubi cum alio confusi:}}2 ''Annuntiat ipsum hac die novum Anthologium: Menologium verò Sirleti his verbis:'' Commemoratio sancti Patris nostri Stephani Sabaitæ. ''Cui consonant Menea impressa cum suo Indice Mso, & Maximus Cytherorum episcopus, nec non supplementum ad Menea Græca impressa ex Synaxario Sirmondi ac Ms. Chiffletii: in quo sequentes versiculi ipsi accinuntur:'' <poem>{{graeca|Καὶ σκόλα, καὶ Μοσχᾶτα, καὶ πέτρας βίς [φυγὼν] Στέφαν[ος], εἰς Ἐδὲμ λόχμας ἔδυ.}} Obstacla vitæ, compedes, ac vincula Dum Stephane vitas, nemora paradisi subis.</poem> {{left sidenote|'''C'''}}''Notatur præterea in Calendario, à Genebrardo, ac tomo 4 Bibliothecæ PP. vulgato, hac die'' XIII, ''nullo addito præter nomen & cognomen. Habetur etiam in Menologio Slavo-Russico Ms.:'' Memoria beatissimi Stephani Sabaïtæ (''Sabaitæ'') passi anno CCI sub Severo; ''ubi perpetuum'' Stephanum ''nostrum martyrem facit, vel cum alio aliquo martyre confundit; nam'' Sabaita, ''ut ratio temporis docet, nullus tunc esse potuit; necdum nato S. Saba, Lauræ Sabaitarum conditore. Julius Græco-metricus, Ephemeridibus Græco-Moschis ante tomum I Maii insertus, pag.'' XXXIII ''signat'' memoriam S. P. N. Stephani Sabaitæ, ''ut supra. Index autem in Typicum S. Sabæ differt ipsum in diem XIV hujus: cujus, ut puto, Typici annuntiatio, à Papebrochio descripta, nihil habet à prædictis diversum, præter cognomentum {{graeca|ἁγιοσαβίτης}}, quo monachus S. Sabæ fuisse indicatur: compositione paullo discrepante, re tamen conveniente vocabulo cum aliis Synaxariorum citatorum textibus, in quibus'' Sabaita ''vocatur. In supplemento ad Menea Græca excussa ex Synaxario membranaceo Sirmondi, sive Collegii Claromontani S. J. Parisiis'', Stephanus ''hic turpiter confunditur cum alio'' Stephano | Sabaita, quando ista tradit die XXVIII Octobris, quo is colitur: {{graeca|Μνήμη τοῦ ὁσίου πατρὸς Στεφάνου τοῦ Σαβαΐτου, ἀνεψιοῦ Ἰω. [Ἰωάννου] τοῦ Δαμασκηνοῦ}}; de qua re mox pluribus. 3 Stephanus verò uterque, suo quilibet die, in Elogiis Meneis impressis eodem fere Officio sacro honoratur. Sufficiat parvum specimen; cujus hic est sensus: <poem>Vita cum verbis congrua Tibi coronam duplicem, O ter Beate, præbuit. Tuo decoram vertici Vitæ dator imposuit Christus coronam gloriæ, Sortite nomen congruum Rei, beate Stephane.</poem> Alluditur ad vocem {{graeca|στέφανος}}, Latinè ''corona''. Nulla in Synaxariis, quæ ego quidem inspexerim, Sancti elogia reperio: tametsi Papebrochius ad Menæum Chiffletii, à se exscriptum, observet, eum habere elogium, & quidem longius. Sed tam noster Sanctus, qui ibi signatur hoc die, quam alii, diebus sibi propriis, illic notantur simpliciter sine ullis elogiis; sive ab exemplari, unde sunt desumpti Sancti, abfuerint hæc, sive brevitatis causâ omissa. At defectum istum, si tamen ullus dici possit, affatim supplebit Vita; ubi versùs finem cultissimo & dignissimo elogio condecoratur: quo forsan unicè respexit laudatus Papebrochius, quando ad dictum Menæum longioris elogii notam apposuit. En tibi sparsa in contextu Vitæ honorificentissima epitheta, quibus veluti totidem radiis nomen ejus illustratur. Vocatur prodigiosus seu prodigiophorus, {{graeca|θαυματουργὸς}} num. 42; Thaumaturgus num. 62 & 92; Deifer locis variis; divinus senex num. 69; magnus senex num. 80; senex mirabilis, prodigiosus senex num. 85; sanitatis collator num. 99; mirificus magister 103; vir admirabilis 185. Pluribus ejusmodi delibandis supersedeo. {{right sidenote|Refertur à Castellano errante in ejus ætate; conjecturæ cur hac die colatur.}}4 Solus, quod sciam, è recentioribus, Castellanus in Additionibus ad suum Martyrologium Universale S. Stephanum dat hoc etiam die, & distinctius quidem, quam ipsa Synaxaria solent: ''In Laura S. Sabæ in Palæstina, S. Stephanus Thaumaturgus, monachus, nepos S. Joannis Damasceni.'' In hoc multum hallucinatur, quod ipsum invectat sæculo X, reclamante Vita. Appositè autem ei tribuit titulum Thaumaturgi, in Synaxariis quidem aliis prætermissum, sed à se in illis, quæ adhibuit, alicubi haud dubiè repertum: cum Vitæ Auctor sic eum vocet, & Vitæ contextus, quoad pervenit ad nos, confitetur continua serie miraculorum, vaticiniorum, ac perspicientiæ cordium, occultas quaslibet & abstrusas cogitationes scrutantis: quibus magnus in paucis signorum ac mirabilium patrator extitisse comprobatur. Cur verò ipsius festum non die 2 Aprilis, quo è vita excessit, sed hoc recolatur, prorsus nos latet. Si con-<noinclude><!-- --> |} <references /></noinclude> 6oy34o3pgoi3kmt97vc49sy7ctpkx1c 277045 277044 2026-08-22T23:51:01Z Vladis13 10700 277045 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="LihachevAnthon1971" />__NOEDITSECTION____NOTOC__ {{rh|524|ACTA SANCTORUM.|}}</noinclude>{{left sidenote|'''A'''}}{{right sidenote|'''D'''}} {{center|{{xx-maior|DE S. STEPHANO SABAITA THAUMATURGO MONACHO}}}} {{center|{{xx-maior|IN LAURA S. SABÆ PROPE HIEROSOLYMAM.}}}} {{left sidenote|J. P.}} {{center|{{x-maior|COMMENTARIUS PRÆVIUS}}}} <div class="title-paragraph">§ I. Brevis Lauræ notitia; Sancti cultus; distinctio.</div> {| class="table-text" |- | {{left sidenote|ANNO DCCXCIV.}} '''T'''''omo tertio Martii nostri, pag. 166 in Commentario prævio numero DCCXCIV, primo, brevis data fuit notitia Lauræ S. Sabæ, occasione viginti monachorum ejusdem loci Martyrum. {{left sidenote|Longior Lauræ notitia reservatur in diem 5 Decembris, S. Sabæ, ejusdem auctori sacrum.}} Prolixiorem reservamus in diem V Decembris, S. Sabæ Abbatis, illius loci auctori sacrum; ad cujus Acta, sicut ibidem præmonuimus, plenius tractari poterit de ejus situ, incrementis, perturbationibus ac desolatione. Nominis etiam etymon, definitio, distinctio à monasterio, ac vivendi in ea monachorum norma materiam præbere tum poterunt ulteriori inquisitioni.'' {{left sidenote|'''B'''}} Maxima ''enim'' & illustrissima Laura, omnibus Palæstinæ Lauris eminentior, ''teste Cyrillo Scythopolitano in Vita S. Sabæ, à Cotelero edita tomo 3 Ecclesiæ Græcæ Monumentorum pag. 229, supra alias, sparsim ibidem variis locis recensitas, nimirum'' Novam Lauram, Lauram Turricularum, Firmini, ''ac Sucæ altius evecta; cujus non minima laus est,'' S. Stephanum Thaumaturgum ''protulisse atque aluisse''. {{left sidenote|Annuntiationes ex Synaxariis Græcis nostri Stephani alicubi cum alio confusi:}}2 ''Annuntiat ipsum hac die novum Anthologium: Menologium verò Sirleti his verbis:'' Commemoratio sancti Patris nostri Stephani Sabaitæ. ''Cui consonant Menea impressa cum suo Indice Mso, & Maximus Cytherorum episcopus, nec non supplementum ad Menea Græca impressa ex Synaxario Sirmondi ac Ms. Chiffletii: in quo sequentes versiculi ipsi accinuntur:'' <poem>{{graeca|Καὶ σκόλα, καὶ Μοσχᾶτα, καὶ πέτρας βίς [φυγὼν] Στέφαν[ος], εἰς Ἐδὲμ λόχμας ἔδυ.}} Obstacla vitæ, compedes, ac vincula Dum Stephane vitas, nemora paradisi subis.</poem> {{left sidenote|'''C'''}}''Notatur præterea in Calendario, à Genebrardo, ac tomo 4 Bibliothecæ PP. vulgato, hac die'' XIII, ''nullo addito præter nomen & cognomen. Habetur etiam in Menologio Slavo-Russico Ms.:'' Memoria beatissimi Stephani Sabaïtæ (''Sabaitæ'') passi anno CCI sub Severo; ''ubi perpetuum'' Stephanum ''nostrum martyrem facit, vel cum alio aliquo martyre confundit; nam'' Sabaita, ''ut ratio temporis docet, nullus tunc esse potuit; necdum nato S. Saba, Lauræ Sabaitarum conditore. Julius Græco-metricus, Ephemeridibus Græco-Moschis ante tomum I Maii insertus, pag.'' XXXIII ''signat'' memoriam S. P. N. Stephani Sabaitæ, ''ut supra. Index autem in Typicum S. Sabæ differt ipsum in diem XIV hujus: cujus, ut puto, Typici annuntiatio, à Papebrochio descripta, nihil habet à prædictis diversum, præter cognomentum {{graeca|ἁγιοσαβίτης}}, quo monachus S. Sabæ fuisse indicatur: compositione paullo discrepante, re tamen conveniente vocabulo cum aliis Synaxariorum citatorum textibus, in quibus'' Sabaita ''vocatur. In supplemento ad Menea Græca excussa ex Synaxario membranaceo Sirmondi, sive Collegii Claromontani S. J. Parisiis'', Stephanus ''hic turpiter confunditur cum alio'' Stephano | Sabaita, quando ista tradit die XXVIII Octobris, quo is colitur: {{graeca|Μνήμη τοῦ ὁσίου πατρὸς Στεφάνου τοῦ Σαβαΐτου, ἀνεψιοῦ Ἰω. [Ἰωάννου] τοῦ Δαμασκηνοῦ}}; de qua re mox pluribus. 3 Stephanus verò uterque, suo quilibet die, in Elogiis Meneis impressis eodem fere Officio sacro honoratur. Sufficiat parvum specimen; cujus hic est sensus: <poem>Vita cum verbis congrua Tibi coronam duplicem, O ter Beate, præbuit. Tuo decoram vertici Vitæ dator imposuit Christus coronam gloriæ, Sortite nomen congruum Rei, beate Stephane.</poem> Alluditur ad vocem {{graeca|στέφανος}}, Latinè ''corona''. Nulla in Synaxariis, quæ ego quidem inspexerim, Sancti elogia reperio: tametsi Papebrochius ad Menæum Chiffletii, à se exscriptum, observet, eum habere elogium, & quidem longius. Sed tam noster Sanctus, qui ibi signatur hoc die, quam alii, diebus sibi propriis, illic notantur simpliciter sine ullis elogiis; sive ab exemplari, unde sunt desumpti Sancti, abfuerint hæc, sive brevitatis causâ omissa. At defectum istum, si tamen ullus dici possit, affatim supplebit Vita; ubi versùs finem cultissimo & dignissimo elogio condecoratur: quo forsan unicè respexit laudatus Papebrochius, quando ad dictum Menæum longioris elogii notam apposuit. En tibi sparsa in contextu Vitæ honorificentissima epitheta, quibus veluti totidem radiis nomen ejus illustratur. Vocatur prodigiosus seu prodigiophorus, {{graeca|θαυματουργὸς}} num. 42; Thaumaturgus num. 62 & 92; Deifer locis variis; divinus senex num. 69; magnus senex num. 80; senex mirabilis, prodigiosus senex num. 85; sanitatis collator num. 99; mirificus magister 103; vir admirabilis 185. Pluribus ejusmodi delibandis supersedeo. {{right sidenote|Refertur à Castellano errante in ejus ætate; conjecturæ cur hac die colatur.}}4 Solus, quod sciam, è recentioribus, Castellanus in Additionibus ad suum Martyrologium Universale S. Stephanum dat hoc etiam die, & distinctius quidem, quam ipsa Synaxaria solent: ''In Laura S. Sabæ in Palæstina, S. Stephanus Thaumaturgus, monachus, nepos S. Joannis Damasceni.'' In hoc multum hallucinatur, quod ipsum invectat sæculo X, reclamante Vita. Appositè autem ei tribuit titulum Thaumaturgi, in Synaxariis quidem aliis prætermissum, sed à se in illis, quæ adhibuit, alicubi haud dubiè repertum: cum Vitæ Auctor sic eum vocet, & Vitæ contextus, quoad pervenit ad nos, confitetur continua serie miraculorum, vaticiniorum, ac perspicientiæ cordium, occultas quaslibet & abstrusas cogitationes scrutantis: quibus magnus in paucis signorum ac mirabilium patrator extitisse comprobatur. Cur verò ipsius festum non die 2 Aprilis, quo è vita excessit, sed hoc recolatur, prorsus nos latet. Si con-<noinclude><!-- --> |} <references /></noinclude> 4v6b9gnlv47e91zrcrj2ytl3ik4bdop 277046 277045 2026-08-22T23:51:49Z Vladis13 10700 277046 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="LihachevAnthon1971" />__NOEDITSECTION____NOTOC__ {{rh|524|ACTA SANCTORUM.|}}</noinclude>{{left sidenote|'''A'''}}{{right sidenote|'''D'''}} {{center|{{xx-maior|DE S. STEPHANO SABAITA THAUMATURGO MONACHO,}}}} {{center|{{xx-maior|IN LAURA S. SABÆ PROPE HIEROSOLYMAM.}}}} {{left sidenote|J. P.}} {{center|{{x-maior|COMMENTARIUS PRÆVIUS}}}} <div class="title-paragraph">§ I. Brevis Lauræ notitia; Sancti cultus; distinctio.</div> {| class="table-text" |- | {{left sidenote|ANNO DCCXCIV.}} '''T'''''omo tertio Martii nostri, pag. 166 in Commentario prævio numero DCCXCIV, primo, brevis data fuit notitia Lauræ S. Sabæ, occasione viginti monachorum ejusdem loci Martyrum. {{left sidenote|Longior Lauræ notitia reservatur in diem 5 Decembris, S. Sabæ, ejusdem auctori sacrum.}} Prolixiorem reservamus in diem V Decembris, S. Sabæ Abbatis, illius loci auctori sacrum; ad cujus Acta, sicut ibidem præmonuimus, plenius tractari poterit de ejus situ, incrementis, perturbationibus ac desolatione. Nominis etiam etymon, definitio, distinctio à monasterio, ac vivendi in ea monachorum norma materiam præbere tum poterunt ulteriori inquisitioni.'' {{left sidenote|'''B'''}} Maxima ''enim'' & illustrissima Laura, omnibus Palæstinæ Lauris eminentior, ''teste Cyrillo Scythopolitano in Vita S. Sabæ, à Cotelero edita tomo 3 Ecclesiæ Græcæ Monumentorum pag. 229, supra alias, sparsim ibidem variis locis recensitas, nimirum'' Novam Lauram, Lauram Turricularum, Firmini, ''ac Sucæ altius evecta; cujus non minima laus est,'' S. Stephanum Thaumaturgum ''protulisse atque aluisse''. {{left sidenote|Annuntiationes ex Synaxariis Græcis nostri Stephani alicubi cum alio confusi:}}2 ''Annuntiat ipsum hac die novum Anthologium: Menologium verò Sirleti his verbis:'' Commemoratio sancti Patris nostri Stephani Sabaitæ. ''Cui consonant Menea impressa cum suo Indice Mso, & Maximus Cytherorum episcopus, nec non supplementum ad Menea Græca impressa ex Synaxario Sirmondi ac Ms. Chiffletii: in quo sequentes versiculi ipsi accinuntur:'' <poem>{{graeca|Καὶ σκόλα, καὶ Μοσχᾶτα, καὶ πέτρας βίς [φυγὼν] Στέφαν[ος], εἰς Ἐδὲμ λόχμας ἔδυ.}} Obstacla vitæ, compedes, ac vincula Dum Stephane vitas, nemora paradisi subis.</poem> {{left sidenote|'''C'''}}''Notatur præterea in Calendario, à Genebrardo, ac tomo 4 Bibliothecæ PP. vulgato, hac die'' XIII, ''nullo addito præter nomen & cognomen. Habetur etiam in Menologio Slavo-Russico Ms.:'' Memoria beatissimi Stephani Sabaïtæ (''Sabaitæ'') passi anno CCI sub Severo; ''ubi perpetuum'' Stephanum ''nostrum martyrem facit, vel cum alio aliquo martyre confundit; nam'' Sabaita, ''ut ratio temporis docet, nullus tunc esse potuit; necdum nato S. Saba, Lauræ Sabaitarum conditore. Julius Græco-metricus, Ephemeridibus Græco-Moschis ante tomum I Maii insertus, pag.'' XXXIII ''signat'' memoriam S. P. N. Stephani Sabaitæ, ''ut supra. Index autem in Typicum S. Sabæ differt ipsum in diem XIV hujus: cujus, ut puto, Typici annuntiatio, à Papebrochio descripta, nihil habet à prædictis diversum, præter cognomentum {{graeca|ἁγιοσαβίτης}}, quo monachus S. Sabæ fuisse indicatur: compositione paullo discrepante, re tamen conveniente vocabulo cum aliis Synaxariorum citatorum textibus, in quibus'' Sabaita ''vocatur. In supplemento ad Menea Græca excussa ex Synaxario membranaceo Sirmondi, sive Collegii Claromontani S. J. Parisiis'', Stephanus ''hic turpiter confunditur cum alio'' Stephano | Sabaita, quando ista tradit die XXVIII Octobris, quo is colitur: {{graeca|Μνήμη τοῦ ὁσίου πατρὸς Στεφάνου τοῦ Σαβαΐτου, ἀνεψιοῦ Ἰω. [Ἰωάννου] τοῦ Δαμασκηνοῦ}}; de qua re mox pluribus. 3 Stephanus verò uterque, suo quilibet die, in Elogiis Meneis impressis eodem fere Officio sacro honoratur. Sufficiat parvum specimen; cujus hic est sensus: <poem>Vita cum verbis congrua Tibi coronam duplicem, O ter Beate, præbuit. Tuo decoram vertici Vitæ dator imposuit Christus coronam gloriæ, Sortite nomen congruum Rei, beate Stephane.</poem> Alluditur ad vocem {{graeca|στέφανος}}, Latinè ''corona''. Nulla in Synaxariis, quæ ego quidem inspexerim, Sancti elogia reperio: tametsi Papebrochius ad Menæum Chiffletii, à se exscriptum, observet, eum habere elogium, & quidem longius. Sed tam noster Sanctus, qui ibi signatur hoc die, quam alii, diebus sibi propriis, illic notantur simpliciter sine ullis elogiis; sive ab exemplari, unde sunt desumpti Sancti, abfuerint hæc, sive brevitatis causâ omissa. At defectum istum, si tamen ullus dici possit, affatim supplebit Vita; ubi versùs finem cultissimo & dignissimo elogio condecoratur: quo forsan unicè respexit laudatus Papebrochius, quando ad dictum Menæum longioris elogii notam apposuit. En tibi sparsa in contextu Vitæ honorificentissima epitheta, quibus veluti totidem radiis nomen ejus illustratur. Vocatur prodigiosus seu prodigiophorus, {{graeca|θαυματουργὸς}} num. 42; Thaumaturgus num. 62 & 92; Deifer locis variis; divinus senex num. 69; magnus senex num. 80; senex mirabilis, prodigiosus senex num. 85; sanitatis collator num. 99; mirificus magister 103; vir admirabilis 185. Pluribus ejusmodi delibandis supersedeo. {{right sidenote|Refertur à Castellano errante in ejus ætate; conjecturæ cur hac die colatur.}}4 Solus, quod sciam, è recentioribus, Castellanus in Additionibus ad suum Martyrologium Universale S. Stephanum dat hoc etiam die, & distinctius quidem, quam ipsa Synaxaria solent: ''In Laura S. Sabæ in Palæstina, S. Stephanus Thaumaturgus, monachus, nepos S. Joannis Damasceni.'' In hoc multum hallucinatur, quod ipsum invectat sæculo X, reclamante Vita. Appositè autem ei tribuit titulum Thaumaturgi, in Synaxariis quidem aliis prætermissum, sed à se in illis, quæ adhibuit, alicubi haud dubiè repertum: cum Vitæ Auctor sic eum vocet, & Vitæ contextus, quoad pervenit ad nos, confitetur continua serie miraculorum, vaticiniorum, ac perspicientiæ cordium, occultas quaslibet & abstrusas cogitationes scrutantis: quibus magnus in paucis signorum ac mirabilium patrator extitisse comprobatur. Cur verò ipsius festum non die 2 Aprilis, quo è vita excessit, sed hoc recolatur, prorsus nos latet. Si con-<noinclude><!-- --> |} <references /></noinclude> 94zjloec6s2rybxqxzwab575ujeajp6 104 84736 277050 275731 2026-08-23T00:01:25Z Vladis13 10700 277050 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="LihachevAnthon1971" />__NOEDITSECTION____NOTOC__{{rh|544|VITA S. STEPHANI SABAIT. THAUM. MON.}} {{left sidenote|'''A''' LEONTIO DISC. EX MS.GR.}} {| class="table-text" |-</noinclude>| me ab ea, qua in melius propendeo, voluntate, divinâ firmatam gratiâ, dimovit: unde nihil eorum quidquam credidi: mendaces enim sunt & impostores, & in omnem conjurati probitatem: verum indignè ac ferociter propulſavi, atque execratus eos diſpuli, & mendaces vocitans & ſycophantas. Inde eſt quod hæc mihi repoſuerunt: Tametſi tales reputes nos ferè, veteratoriíſque ſermonibus noſtris nullam adhibeas fidem, hodie tamen vera eſſe putato omnia, quæcumque de Lauræ monachis prodita ſunt. At ego aliter ſentiebam, abigebamque magis ac magis, donec vis quædam divina colluſtravit animum, & omnem rerum, quas nuntiaverant, accuratè perdocuit veritatem. Hæc admirati patres horam ipſam, diem, menſem adnotant, impletáque Quadrageſimâ ad Lauram cum Sene redeunt, ac tempus, quo ſuffiſſent hæc ſuſcitata, à patribus diligenter exquirunt, viſioníſque ita veritatem exploratam habuere; à quibus cum ipſi accepimus, communicamus vobis, ut ſancti Senis virtutem æmulemini, largiſſimam Dei bonitatem omnibus admirabilem prædicantes.{{left sidenote|'''B'''}} | {{right sidenote|'''D'''}} {{graeca|τηλῶν αὐτῶν ῥημάτων τὰ πρὸς τὸ κρεῖττον / νεύσας ἐξέσεισεν , θείᾳ χάριτι κραταιυνόμενος · / ὅθεν οδ᾽ ὅλως τούτων πεπίστευκα · ψεῦσται γὰρ ἀεὶ καὶ / πλάνοι καὶ μισόκαλοι τυγχάνουσιν · ἀλλ᾽ ὅσον ἐμοί , / καὶ αὐστηρῶς ἠμυνάμην , καὶ ἀπεσόβουν αὐτοὺς , κατα‑ / φρονῶν , καὶ ψεύστας αὐτοὺς ὑποκαλῶν καὶ ἀ‑ / παξιῶν . Διόπερ ἀποκριθέντες ἔφησάν μοι · Εἰ / καὶ ἑκάστοτε τοιούτους ἔχεις ἡμς , καὶ ἀπιστεῖς / τοῖς ψευδέσιν ἡμν ῥήμασιν , ἀλλὰ σήμερον / πείσθητι περὶ τν μοναχν τῆς Λαύρας εἰρηκό‑ / σι τὴν ἀλήθειαν . Ἐγὼ δὲ οὐκ ἐπίστευσα , ἀλλὰ / μᾶλλον καὶ μᾶλλον ἐδίωξα , ἕως θεία τις ἐπιλάμ‑ / ψασα δύναμις , περὶ ὧν ἀνηγείλασιν , ἅπα‑ / σαν ἐδίδαξε τὴν ἀκρίβειαν . Τεθαυμακότες δὲ / ἐπὶ τούτοις οἱ πατέρες , αὐτοὶ τὴν ραν καὶ / τὴν ἡμέραν , καὶ τὸν μῆνα ἐσημειώσαντο , καὶ / τῆς Τεσσαρακοστῆς πληρωθείσης , ὑπέστρεψαν εἰς τὴν / Λαῦραν μετὰ τοῦ Γέροντος , καὶ ἠκριβώσαντο περὶ τῶν / πατέρων τὸν καιρὸν , καθ᾽ ὃν ἐμήνυτο ταῦτα , καὶ / τν ἀλήθειαν τς διοράσεως μαθον , ἐφ᾽ ὧν ἀπο‑ / λαβόντες διηγησάμεθα ὑμῖν , ἵνα τν ἀρετὴν / τοῦ εροῦ πρεσβύτου ζηλώσητε , θαυμασιολογοῦντες τὴν / μεγαλόδωρον θεϊκὴν ἀγαθότητα .}} {{right sidenote|'''E'''}} |} <div class="title-annotata">ANNOTATA D. P.</div> '''a''' ''Ædilem Latinè diceremus, in quem ſarti tecti ſervandi ædificii ſacri cura incumbit. Inter Eccleſiæ Cpolitanæ officia nullum tale reperio, niſi magni œconomi, quod inter officia dignitate & auctoritate primum, qui in ſua potetate omnes Eccleſiæ facultates tenet. Per Baſilicarios, clericos qui in baſilica ſeu æde ſacra miniſtrant Papæ, Epiſcopo, aut ſacerdoti ſacra facienti, intelligit Cangius in Gloſſ. Lat.'' '''b''' ''Situm Calamonis Lauræ dedimus ex Prato ſpirituali cap. 40 in Annotatis ad Vitam S. Joannis Silentiarii ad 13 Maii, cap. 3, lit. b: ubi de verſione Latina hujus vocis. Ex verbis dicti Prati cap. 162, quintodecimo ab Alexandria milliario monaſterium eſt, quod vocatur Calamon; & ex illis, quæ habentur cap. 163, dicebat abbas Alexander monaſterii Calamonis, quod eſt prope Jordanem, collige duo Calamonis monaſteria fuiſſe.'' '''c''' ''Obiit is III Septembris, quo de ipſo acturi ſumus. Ejus Vita S. Euthymii Actis permixta prodit ad 20 Januarii; à quo & Anaſtaſio patriarcha facta reliquiarum ejus ſepultura dicitur num. 100: quod magnâ honorificentia factum, ex Vita S. Sabæ habemus.'' '''d''' ''Sic S. Theoctiſti ſucceſſorem Marin aut Marium poſt biennii præfecturam vitâ functum S. Euthymius in Theoctiſti magna theca piè deponit. Sic Longinum ei ſuſſectum; ſic ceteros dignitate & ſanctitate primos ibidem condiderint. Thecæ autem ſpeluncam hic vel fornicem plurium monumentorum capacem induſtriè ſignificat, extra quam fuerit monumentum ejus; de quo numero ſequenti.'' '''e''' ''Hinc monaſterium hoc tempore deſertum fuiſſe ſupra diximus: quod etiam, ex illa Arabum admonitione colligitur.''{{left sidenote|'''C'''}} '''f''' ''Ad ſpeluncam, in qua habitarunt Sancti, quæque deinde eſt in templum converſa, aſcendendum fuiſſe Lazarotis paſtoribus, qui primi Sanctos iſtic commorantes reperere, habemus è S. Euthymii Vita. Quare nec in ea nec juxta eam conditos fuiſſe Sanctos, verum in ſpelunca aliqua inferiori, ex his patet.'' {{right sidenote|'''F'''}} '''g''' ''Vox iſta explicatur cap. ſequenti num. 37 lit. e.'' '''h''' ''Μεγάλην τεσσαρακοστὴν. Ita dicebatur præcipua illa ante Paſchalem ſolennitatem Quadrageſima ad differentiam aliarum: quam quia in eremum recedentes Patres à Dominica Sexageſimæ (quæ Græcis τῆς ἀποκρέω, ſeu Carnis-privii dicitur) auſpicari conſueverant, ideo ſequenti numero ſoli quatuor dies ante Dominicam Palmarum è Quadrageſima reliqui numerantur.'' '''i''' ''Leontium hunc diverſum eſſe à Leontio, auctore Vitæ S. Gregorii Agrigentini, diſces ex commentario prævio num. 26.'' '''k''' ''Ἀρχάριοι, id eſt incipientes ſive novitii. Vide Gloſſarium Meurſii citantis Anonymum, qui tres gradus diſtinguit ἀρχαρίων, μέσων ᾗ τελείων, incipientium, mediorum & perfectorum.'' <div class="title-caput">CAPUT IV.</div> <div class="subtitle">Succurrit periclitantibus diſcipulis; & cum inviſibili Anachoreta colloquitur.</div> {| class="table-text" | {{left sidenote|''Joannes, poſtea Cherubimorum epiſcopus,''}} '''F'''Ratres Deo cari tres ex eorum numero, quorum teſtata religio eſt, Damaſcum, feliciſſimam illuſtremque incolebant metropolim. Horum unus, cum ſeculo valedicens in hac maxima Laura habitaret, hæc mihi commemoravit: Quod vir quidam inſignis, Joannes dictus, qui & multa edebat miracula, quorum viri complures, ſtudioſiſſimi | {{graeca|Θεοφιλέστατοι τρεῖς ἀδελφοί , τὸ μεμαρτυρημένον ἐπ᾽ ἀληθείας , Δαμασκὸν τὴν πανευδαίμονα καὶ λαμπρὰν μητρόπολιν οἰκητήριον ἔχουσι . Τούτων εἷς ἀποταξάμενος , καὶ ταύτην τὴν μεγίστην Λαῦραν οἰκήσας , διηγήσατό μοι , λέγων · ὅτι τις Ἰωάννης ὀνόματι , σηματοφόρος ἀνήρ , καὶ πολλὰ ἀνέδειξε θαυματουργήματα , ὧν ἐν πείρᾳ γεγό‑ / νασι}}<noinclude><!-- --> |} <references /></noinclude> 7tkxnzh43yd7raeiu8p4zcek958f9s5 104 84741 277041 275746 2026-08-22T23:39:56Z Vladis13 10700 277041 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="LihachevAnthon1971" />__NOEDITSECTION____NOTOC__{{rh|549|DIE DECIMA TERTIA JULII.|}}</noinclude>{{left sidenote|'''A'''}} {{graeca|τὸ μικρὸν μάντον· ἔστι δὲ ἐπιβόλαιον ἐν τῇ συνόδῳ τ⊠ σκεπαρίων, πάλιν ἐν ἐργαλείῳ καὶ ὀθονιάριον. Ἐν δὲ τῇ συνάξει καὶ ταῖς ἄλλαις ἀορολογίαις τ⊠ ἐκκλησίας φέρουσι τὰ κεφάλια, σκέποντα ὅλου ᾗ τ ἡλικίας διάπλασιν ἀπὸ τ⊠ τραχήλου ἕως τ⊠ ἀστραγάλων ἔμπροσθεν καὶ ὄπισθεν, καὶ ἴσονται λίαν ἐναρμόνιοι καὶ εὐλαβεῖς.}} Epirriptarium ſanctæ civitatis incolæ accolaſque parvum mantellum nominant: illò autem non induuntur, cum ad eccleſiam conveniunt, ſed tantum cum manibus opus aut pedibus iter faciunt. In ſynaxi verò ceteriſque Officiis eccleſiaſticis, ferunt, quas ſtolas vocant, totam ſtaturam hominis cooperientes à collo uſque ad talos, tam ante, quam retro: atque ita in habitu omnino decenti ac religioſo conſiſtunt. ''In quibus {{graeca|μαντίον & φόλως}} voces barbaræ: hæc quidem {{graeca|ἀπὸ τ⊠ φόλης}} corrupta terminatione ſumpta: illa ab eadem deſumpta origine. Unde Latini mantellum, Plauto in Capt. uſurpatum habuere: Itali nunc mantello; Franci manteau dicunt; Hiſpani manto.'' '''g''' ''Plinii lib. 3, cap. 4, ſilveſtres cetris proceriores vult intelligi.'' '''h''' ''{{graeca|ἀνδρικὸς ὀργυιας μῆκος}}. Eſt autem orgyia alids ſenſum, alias denum pedum menſura. Sed adjectivum præpoſitum ſatis inſinuat palmæ hujus craſſitiem ſenſum dumtaxat pedum fuiſſe, quantum ſcilicet vir præcerus expanſis ulnis circumplecti poteſt.'' '''i''' ''Mira ſanè hæc petitio, ſi de inviſibilitate intelligenda eſt. Fuit ea tamen aliquando conceſſa S. Luciano 7 Januarii pag. 363, S. Vincentio Ferrerio 5 Aprilis pag. 497; B. Hermanno Joſeph 7 Aprilis pag. 707, monachis pluribus 29 Maii pag. 153, ſed non conſtanter, neque promiſcuè. Quid ſi tantum hic peterint anachoretæ, ne Deus eos ſineret hominibus nimium innoteſcere, aut ab iis frequenter inviſi? Certè ſiquid amplius velit Auctor noſter, meminiſſe oportet, audita hactenus narrare eum, non viſa.'' <span class="title-caput">CAPUT V.</span> {{left sidenote|'''B'''}}{{right sidenote|'''E'''}} <span class="sub-caput-center">Theodoro & Baſilio epiſcopatum ambientibus arcanum deſiderium ejúſque eventum manifeſtat.</span> {| class="table-text" | {{graeca|Ἦν τις , Θεόδωρος ὀνόματι , θεομάχος / δεινὸς , καὶ κενόδοξος , καὶ τρισάθλιος , / ὥστε ἀπέδειξεν ἡ τν πραγμάτων ἔκβασις · / σχῆμα μὲν καὶ στολὴν μοναχικὴν , οἱονεὶ δερὰν προ‑ / βάτου , περιεβέβλητο τὴν ἐπιφάνειαν , ἔσωθεν / λύκος ἄρπαξ ὑπῆρχεν , καὶ τὴν γνώμην / θηριωδέστατος . Ἐκέκτητο δέ τινα φίλον , Βα‑ / σίλειον ἐπωνομαζόμενον · ἄγχιστα γὰρ αὐτῷ ἐν τῷ / Σπευδαίῳ τς ἁγίας Χριστοῦ , το Θεο ἡμν , Ἀ‑ / ναστάσεως εἶχε κελίον . Μιᾷ δὲ τῶν ἡμερῶν ἴστω? τῷ Βασιλείῳ προσλθεν δυσώνυμος / Θεόδωρος , ὡς πρὸς ατὸν ὑπερβαλλόντως / ὑποσώζων ἀγαπητικὴν διάθεσιν , ἣ ἀνακινέ‑ / μενος αὐτῷ ἑκάστοτε τὰ μυστικὰ καταθύμια , / ἃ ὑπέβαλεν αὐτῷ ὁ τῆς κενοδοξίας χα‑ / λεπώτατος δαίμων , λογισμὸν ἀπέφηνε , λέγων · / Οἶσθα , γνησιώτατε , τὴν προσοῦσάν σοι παρ' ἐ‑ / μοὶ ἀκριβεστάτην ἀγάπησιν ἐξ αἰεί , ἣν σοι {{left sidenote|'''C'''}} / φυλάττω φιλίαν · ὅθεν οὐδὲ τὸ ἐνδόμαχόν / μου πυρωδέστατον πάθος ἀπὸ σοῦ ταμιεύσα‑ / σθαι δεδιώκημαι , ἀλλὰ φανερώσων ἥκω . Ἐπι‑ / θυμία τις μεγάλη καὶ ἔφεσις ἀφόρητος ἤδη / καταπτύχει με δεινῶς , Ἱεροσολύμων θε‑ / αδελφικοῦ ρξαι θρόν , τν κῦρ Ἠλίαν ἐξ‑ / ωθίσαντά τε καὶ διώξαντα ἐξ ἱεραρχικοῦ πρεπε‑ / ρήματος? . Ἀλλ' εἴγε νοοίην τὸ τούτου ἐκβησό‑ / μενον , πρὶν ἂν ἐπιλήψομαι τῆς ἐγχειρήσεως , / ἵνα πρὸς αὐτὸ διαπράξομαι · οὐ γὰρ λέληθέν / σε ἡ πάρρησία , οἵαν κέκτημαι πρὸς τν σύμ‑ / βολον Φοσάτου , καὶ οἵαν ὁ ἐμὸς ἀδελφὸς καὶ / πολὺ μείζονα πρὸς αὐτὸν ἔχει · ἰατρς γάρ ἐστι / χρησιμώτατος , ὡς οἶσθα , τῇ γνώσει τε καὶ / ἐνδοξότητι πολὺ ὑπερβαλλόμενος . Παρακε‑ / κλήσθω τοίνυν ἡ σὴ πνευματικὴ φιλότης , ἣ ζωιέτω? μοι ἐπὶ τὴν ἐναγῆ? λαύραν τοῦ / ἁγίου πατρὸς ἡμῶν Σάβα , πρὸς τν ἅγιον / Στέφανον , τὸν ἐρημίτην , ὅπως ν καταμα‑ / θωμεν παρ' αὐτο ἐξ ἡμετέρου σκοποῦ τὸ / ἐσόμενον τέλος .}} | '''F'''Uit quidam, Theodorus nomine, rebellis admodum Deo,{{right sidenote|''Ambitioſus Theodorus deſiderat patriarchatum Hieroſolymitanum,''}} ſuperbus, atque, ut rerum eventus docuit, infeliciſſimus: formâ habitúque monaſtico, tamquam ovis vellere, externam obtexerat ſpeciem, cum lupus intus rapax lateret, mentemque reconderet immaniſſimam. Huic amicus quidam erat, cognomento Baſilius: proximam namque ei in Spudæo {{right sidenote|a}} ''a'' ſanctæ Chriſti, Dei noſtri, Reſurrectionis cellam obtinebat. Die igitur quadam Baſilium hunc adiit Theodorus ''b''{{right sidenote|b}}, hoc nomine indignus, quaſi animo adverſus eum affectus ſupra modum benevolo; & intimæ ſingillatim illi quotidie ſenſa communicans, quamque ſibi infeſtiſſimus ſuperbiæ ſpiritus cogitationem ſuggeſſerat, explicuit hunc in modum: Noſti, candidiſſime mi, ſinceriſſimam, quam tibi ſemper exhibui dilectionem, quamque etiamnum amicitiam conſervo; unde ne animi quidem mei motus inteſtina mihi acerrimaque bella concitantes celare te poſſum; imo verò ut aperiam, nunc adveni. Ingens miſerè me modo excruciat deſiderium, & cupido intolerabilis, ut pulſo per me fugatoque hierarchica dignitate Domno Elia,{{right sidenote|'''F'''}} Theadelphico ''c''{{right sidenote|c}} Hieroſolymitanæ Eccleſiæ throno potiar. Sed utinam, quid eo negotio futurum ſit, ante ſciam, quam ad illud aggrediendum accingar; ut ſic illi me in conficiendo poſſim accommodare: non enim te latet, quantum gratiâ apud Phoſati ''d''{{right sidenote|d}} ſymbolum valeam, quantumque etiam plus (neque enim parum intereſt) frater apud eumdem, meus: medicus eſt namque, ut ſcis, utiliſſimus, cientiáque & famâ multos antecellens. Exorari ergo ſe ſinat ſpiritualis amicitia tua, ac mecum in ſancti patris noſtri Sabæ præclaram Lauram, ad ſanctum Stephanum eremitam comiteris, ut ex eo, quem res, quam intendimus, eventum ſit fortitura, diſcamus. |- | 45 {{graeca|Τοῦτον οὖν? μεθ' ἑαυτοῦ? λαβὼν πρὸς / προαίρεσιν τῆς ψυχῆς τοῖς παρεληλυθόσιν αὐτοῦ / λόγοις ὑποέζαντα? , ἀφίκετο πρὸς τὸν Γέροντα ,}} | {{right sidenote|''de eoque Stephanum conſulitum adit,''' '''tunc'''}} 45 Hoc igitur adſcito comite; (quippe qui præter animi conſilium, ejus tandem adhortationibus ceſſerat) ad Senem pervenit,<noinclude><!-- --> |} {{rh||Zzz 3|}} <references /></noinclude> 4umfwv4yh5jfwvwdzzuyvmoyagb0wxv 277042 277041 2026-08-22T23:41:12Z Vladis13 10700 277042 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="LihachevAnthon1971" />__NOEDITSECTION____NOTOC__{{rh|549|DIE DECIMA TERTIA JULII.|}}</noinclude>{{left sidenote|'''A'''}} {{graeca|τὸ μικρὸν μάντον· ἔστι δὲ ἐπιβόλαιον ἐν τῇ συνόδῳ τ⊠ σκεπαρίων, πάλιν ἐν ἐργαλείῳ καὶ ὀθονιάριον. Ἐν δὲ τῇ συνάξει καὶ ταῖς ἄλλαις ἀορολογίαις τ⊠ ἐκκλησίας φέρουσι τὰ κεφάλια, σκέποντα ὅλου ᾗ τ ἡλικίας διάπλασιν ἀπὸ τ⊠ τραχήλου ἕως τ⊠ ἀστραγάλων ἔμπροσθεν καὶ ὄπισθεν, καὶ ἴσονται λίαν ἐναρμόνιοι καὶ εὐλαβεῖς.}} Epirriptarium ſanctæ civitatis incolæ accolaſque parvum mantellum nominant: illò autem non induuntur, cum ad eccleſiam conveniunt, ſed tantum cum manibus opus aut pedibus iter faciunt. In ſynaxi verò ceteriſque Officiis eccleſiaſticis, ferunt, quas ſtolas vocant, totam ſtaturam hominis cooperientes à collo uſque ad talos, tam ante, quam retro: atque ita in habitu omnino decenti ac religioſo conſiſtunt. ''In quibus {{graeca|μαντίον & φόλως}} voces barbaræ: hæc quidem {{graeca|ἀπὸ τ⊠ φόλης}} corrupta terminatione ſumpta: illa ab eadem deſumpta origine. Unde Latini mantellum, Plauto in Capt. uſurpatum habuere: Itali nunc mantello; Franci manteau dicunt; Hiſpani manto.'' '''g''' ''Plinii lib. 3, cap. 4, ſilveſtres cetris proceriores vult intelligi.'' '''h''' ''{{graeca|ἀνδρικὸς ὀργυιας μῆκος}}. Eſt autem orgyia alids ſenſum, alias denum pedum menſura. Sed adjectivum præpoſitum ſatis inſinuat palmæ hujus craſſitiem ſenſum dumtaxat pedum fuiſſe, quantum ſcilicet vir præcerus expanſis ulnis circumplecti poteſt.'' '''i''' ''Mira ſanè hæc petitio, ſi de inviſibilitate intelligenda eſt. Fuit ea tamen aliquando conceſſa S. Luciano 7 Januarii pag. 363, S. Vincentio Ferrerio 5 Aprilis pag. 497; B. Hermanno Joſeph 7 Aprilis pag. 707, monachis pluribus 29 Maii pag. 153, ſed non conſtanter, neque promiſcuè. Quid ſi tantum hic peterint anachoretæ, ne Deus eos ſineret hominibus nimium innoteſcere, aut ab iis frequenter inviſi? Certè ſiquid amplius velit Auctor noſter, meminiſſe oportet, audita hactenus narrare eum, non viſa.'' <div class="title-caput">CAPUT V.</div> {{left sidenote|'''B'''}}{{right sidenote|'''E'''}} <div class="sub-caput-center">Theodoro & Baſilio epiſcopatum ambientibus arcanum deſiderium ejúſque eventum manifeſtat.</div> {| class="table-text" | {{graeca|Ἦν τις , Θεόδωρος ὀνόματι , θεομάχος / δεινὸς , καὶ κενόδοξος , καὶ τρισάθλιος , / ὥστε ἀπέδειξεν ἡ τν πραγμάτων ἔκβασις · / σχῆμα μὲν καὶ στολὴν μοναχικὴν , οἱονεὶ δερὰν προ‑ / βάτου , περιεβέβλητο τὴν ἐπιφάνειαν , ἔσωθεν / λύκος ἄρπαξ ὑπῆρχεν , καὶ τὴν γνώμην / θηριωδέστατος . Ἐκέκτητο δέ τινα φίλον , Βα‑ / σίλειον ἐπωνομαζόμενον · ἄγχιστα γὰρ αὐτῷ ἐν τῷ / Σπευδαίῳ τς ἁγίας Χριστοῦ , το Θεο ἡμν , Ἀ‑ / ναστάσεως εἶχε κελίον . Μιᾷ δὲ τῶν ἡμερῶν ἴστω? τῷ Βασιλείῳ προσλθεν δυσώνυμος / Θεόδωρος , ὡς πρὸς ατὸν ὑπερβαλλόντως / ὑποσώζων ἀγαπητικὴν διάθεσιν , ἣ ἀνακινέ‑ / μενος αὐτῷ ἑκάστοτε τὰ μυστικὰ καταθύμια , / ἃ ὑπέβαλεν αὐτῷ ὁ τῆς κενοδοξίας χα‑ / λεπώτατος δαίμων , λογισμὸν ἀπέφηνε , λέγων · / Οἶσθα , γνησιώτατε , τὴν προσοῦσάν σοι παρ' ἐ‑ / μοὶ ἀκριβεστάτην ἀγάπησιν ἐξ αἰεί , ἣν σοι {{left sidenote|'''C'''}} / φυλάττω φιλίαν · ὅθεν οὐδὲ τὸ ἐνδόμαχόν / μου πυρωδέστατον πάθος ἀπὸ σοῦ ταμιεύσα‑ / σθαι δεδιώκημαι , ἀλλὰ φανερώσων ἥκω . Ἐπι‑ / θυμία τις μεγάλη καὶ ἔφεσις ἀφόρητος ἤδη / καταπτύχει με δεινῶς , Ἱεροσολύμων θε‑ / αδελφικοῦ ρξαι θρόν , τν κῦρ Ἠλίαν ἐξ‑ / ωθίσαντά τε καὶ διώξαντα ἐξ ἱεραρχικοῦ πρεπε‑ / ρήματος? . Ἀλλ' εἴγε νοοίην τὸ τούτου ἐκβησό‑ / μενον , πρὶν ἂν ἐπιλήψομαι τῆς ἐγχειρήσεως , / ἵνα πρὸς αὐτὸ διαπράξομαι · οὐ γὰρ λέληθέν / σε ἡ πάρρησία , οἵαν κέκτημαι πρὸς τν σύμ‑ / βολον Φοσάτου , καὶ οἵαν ὁ ἐμὸς ἀδελφὸς καὶ / πολὺ μείζονα πρὸς αὐτὸν ἔχει · ἰατρς γάρ ἐστι / χρησιμώτατος , ὡς οἶσθα , τῇ γνώσει τε καὶ / ἐνδοξότητι πολὺ ὑπερβαλλόμενος . Παρακε‑ / κλήσθω τοίνυν ἡ σὴ πνευματικὴ φιλότης , ἣ ζωιέτω? μοι ἐπὶ τὴν ἐναγῆ? λαύραν τοῦ / ἁγίου πατρὸς ἡμῶν Σάβα , πρὸς τν ἅγιον / Στέφανον , τὸν ἐρημίτην , ὅπως ν καταμα‑ / θωμεν παρ' αὐτο ἐξ ἡμετέρου σκοποῦ τὸ / ἐσόμενον τέλος .}} | '''F'''Uit quidam, Theodorus nomine, rebellis admodum Deo,{{right sidenote|''Ambitioſus Theodorus deſiderat patriarchatum Hieroſolymitanum,''}} ſuperbus, atque, ut rerum eventus docuit, infeliciſſimus: formâ habitúque monaſtico, tamquam ovis vellere, externam obtexerat ſpeciem, cum lupus intus rapax lateret, mentemque reconderet immaniſſimam. Huic amicus quidam erat, cognomento Baſilius: proximam namque ei in Spudæo {{right sidenote|a}} ''a'' ſanctæ Chriſti, Dei noſtri, Reſurrectionis cellam obtinebat. Die igitur quadam Baſilium hunc adiit Theodorus ''b''{{right sidenote|b}}, hoc nomine indignus, quaſi animo adverſus eum affectus ſupra modum benevolo; & intimæ ſingillatim illi quotidie ſenſa communicans, quamque ſibi infeſtiſſimus ſuperbiæ ſpiritus cogitationem ſuggeſſerat, explicuit hunc in modum: Noſti, candidiſſime mi, ſinceriſſimam, quam tibi ſemper exhibui dilectionem, quamque etiamnum amicitiam conſervo; unde ne animi quidem mei motus inteſtina mihi acerrimaque bella concitantes celare te poſſum; imo verò ut aperiam, nunc adveni. Ingens miſerè me modo excruciat deſiderium, & cupido intolerabilis, ut pulſo per me fugatoque hierarchica dignitate Domno Elia,{{right sidenote|'''F'''}} Theadelphico ''c''{{right sidenote|c}} Hieroſolymitanæ Eccleſiæ throno potiar. Sed utinam, quid eo negotio futurum ſit, ante ſciam, quam ad illud aggrediendum accingar; ut ſic illi me in conficiendo poſſim accommodare: non enim te latet, quantum gratiâ apud Phoſati ''d''{{right sidenote|d}} ſymbolum valeam, quantumque etiam plus (neque enim parum intereſt) frater apud eumdem, meus: medicus eſt namque, ut ſcis, utiliſſimus, cientiáque & famâ multos antecellens. Exorari ergo ſe ſinat ſpiritualis amicitia tua, ac mecum in ſancti patris noſtri Sabæ præclaram Lauram, ad ſanctum Stephanum eremitam comiteris, ut ex eo, quem res, quam intendimus, eventum ſit fortitura, diſcamus. |- | 45 {{graeca|Τοῦτον οὖν? μεθ' ἑαυτοῦ? λαβὼν πρὸς / προαίρεσιν τῆς ψυχῆς τοῖς παρεληλυθόσιν αὐτοῦ / λόγοις ὑποέζαντα? , ἀφίκετο πρὸς τὸν Γέροντα ,}} | {{right sidenote|''de eoque Stephanum conſulitum adit,''' '''tunc'''}} 45 Hoc igitur adſcito comite; (quippe qui præter animi conſilium, ejus tandem adhortationibus ceſſerat) ad Senem pervenit,<noinclude><!-- --> |} {{rh||Zzz 3|}} <references /></noinclude> mse5xcpxw34wipwns9xaqa4m53g1teu 277051 277042 2026-08-23T00:02:08Z Vladis13 10700 277051 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="LihachevAnthon1971" />__NOEDITSECTION____NOTOC__{{rh|549|DIE DECIMA TERTIA JULII.|}}</noinclude>{{left sidenote|'''A'''}} {{graeca|τὸ μικρὸν μάντον· ἔστι δὲ ἐπιβόλαιον ἐν τῇ συνόδῳ τ⊠ σκεπαρίων, πάλιν ἐν ἐργαλείῳ καὶ ὀθονιάριον. Ἐν δὲ τῇ συνάξει καὶ ταῖς ἄλλαις ἀορολογίαις τ⊠ ἐκκλησίας φέρουσι τὰ κεφάλια, σκέποντα ὅλου ᾗ τ ἡλικίας διάπλασιν ἀπὸ τ⊠ τραχήλου ἕως τ⊠ ἀστραγάλων ἔμπροσθεν καὶ ὄπισθεν, καὶ ἴσονται λίαν ἐναρμόνιοι καὶ εὐλαβεῖς.}} Epirriptarium ſanctæ civitatis incolæ accolaſque parvum mantellum nominant: illò autem non induuntur, cum ad eccleſiam conveniunt, ſed tantum cum manibus opus aut pedibus iter faciunt. In ſynaxi verò ceteriſque Officiis eccleſiaſticis, ferunt, quas ſtolas vocant, totam ſtaturam hominis cooperientes à collo uſque ad talos, tam ante, quam retro: atque ita in habitu omnino decenti ac religioſo conſiſtunt. ''In quibus {{graeca|μαντίον & φόλως}} voces barbaræ: hæc quidem {{graeca|ἀπὸ τ⊠ φόλης}} corrupta terminatione ſumpta: illa ab eadem deſumpta origine. Unde Latini mantellum, Plauto in Capt. uſurpatum habuere: Itali nunc mantello; Franci manteau dicunt; Hiſpani manto.'' '''g''' ''Plinii lib. 3, cap. 4, ſilveſtres cetris proceriores vult intelligi.'' '''h''' ''{{graeca|ἀνδρικὸς ὀργυιας μῆκος}}. Eſt autem orgyia alids ſenſum, alias denum pedum menſura. Sed adjectivum præpoſitum ſatis inſinuat palmæ hujus craſſitiem ſenſum dumtaxat pedum fuiſſe, quantum ſcilicet vir præcerus expanſis ulnis circumplecti poteſt.'' '''i''' ''Mira ſanè hæc petitio, ſi de inviſibilitate intelligenda eſt. Fuit ea tamen aliquando conceſſa S. Luciano 7 Januarii pag. 363, S. Vincentio Ferrerio 5 Aprilis pag. 497; B. Hermanno Joſeph 7 Aprilis pag. 707, monachis pluribus 29 Maii pag. 153, ſed non conſtanter, neque promiſcuè. Quid ſi tantum hic peterint anachoretæ, ne Deus eos ſineret hominibus nimium innoteſcere, aut ab iis frequenter inviſi? Certè ſiquid amplius velit Auctor noſter, meminiſſe oportet, audita hactenus narrare eum, non viſa.'' <div class="title-caput">CAPUT V.</div> {{left sidenote|'''B'''}}{{right sidenote|'''E'''}} <div class="subtitle">Theodoro & Baſilio epiſcopatum ambientibus arcanum deſiderium ejúſque eventum manifeſtat.</div> {| class="table-text" | {{graeca|Ἦν τις , Θεόδωρος ὀνόματι , θεομάχος / δεινὸς , καὶ κενόδοξος , καὶ τρισάθλιος , / ὥστε ἀπέδειξεν ἡ τν πραγμάτων ἔκβασις · / σχῆμα μὲν καὶ στολὴν μοναχικὴν , οἱονεὶ δερὰν προ‑ / βάτου , περιεβέβλητο τὴν ἐπιφάνειαν , ἔσωθεν / λύκος ἄρπαξ ὑπῆρχεν , καὶ τὴν γνώμην / θηριωδέστατος . Ἐκέκτητο δέ τινα φίλον , Βα‑ / σίλειον ἐπωνομαζόμενον · ἄγχιστα γὰρ αὐτῷ ἐν τῷ / Σπευδαίῳ τς ἁγίας Χριστοῦ , το Θεο ἡμν , Ἀ‑ / ναστάσεως εἶχε κελίον . Μιᾷ δὲ τῶν ἡμερῶν ἴστω? τῷ Βασιλείῳ προσλθεν δυσώνυμος / Θεόδωρος , ὡς πρὸς ατὸν ὑπερβαλλόντως / ὑποσώζων ἀγαπητικὴν διάθεσιν , ἣ ἀνακινέ‑ / μενος αὐτῷ ἑκάστοτε τὰ μυστικὰ καταθύμια , / ἃ ὑπέβαλεν αὐτῷ ὁ τῆς κενοδοξίας χα‑ / λεπώτατος δαίμων , λογισμὸν ἀπέφηνε , λέγων · / Οἶσθα , γνησιώτατε , τὴν προσοῦσάν σοι παρ' ἐ‑ / μοὶ ἀκριβεστάτην ἀγάπησιν ἐξ αἰεί , ἣν σοι {{left sidenote|'''C'''}} / φυλάττω φιλίαν · ὅθεν οὐδὲ τὸ ἐνδόμαχόν / μου πυρωδέστατον πάθος ἀπὸ σοῦ ταμιεύσα‑ / σθαι δεδιώκημαι , ἀλλὰ φανερώσων ἥκω . Ἐπι‑ / θυμία τις μεγάλη καὶ ἔφεσις ἀφόρητος ἤδη / καταπτύχει με δεινῶς , Ἱεροσολύμων θε‑ / αδελφικοῦ ρξαι θρόν , τν κῦρ Ἠλίαν ἐξ‑ / ωθίσαντά τε καὶ διώξαντα ἐξ ἱεραρχικοῦ πρεπε‑ / ρήματος? . Ἀλλ' εἴγε νοοίην τὸ τούτου ἐκβησό‑ / μενον , πρὶν ἂν ἐπιλήψομαι τῆς ἐγχειρήσεως , / ἵνα πρὸς αὐτὸ διαπράξομαι · οὐ γὰρ λέληθέν / σε ἡ πάρρησία , οἵαν κέκτημαι πρὸς τν σύμ‑ / βολον Φοσάτου , καὶ οἵαν ὁ ἐμὸς ἀδελφὸς καὶ / πολὺ μείζονα πρὸς αὐτὸν ἔχει · ἰατρς γάρ ἐστι / χρησιμώτατος , ὡς οἶσθα , τῇ γνώσει τε καὶ / ἐνδοξότητι πολὺ ὑπερβαλλόμενος . Παρακε‑ / κλήσθω τοίνυν ἡ σὴ πνευματικὴ φιλότης , ἣ ζωιέτω? μοι ἐπὶ τὴν ἐναγῆ? λαύραν τοῦ / ἁγίου πατρὸς ἡμῶν Σάβα , πρὸς τν ἅγιον / Στέφανον , τὸν ἐρημίτην , ὅπως ν καταμα‑ / θωμεν παρ' αὐτο ἐξ ἡμετέρου σκοποῦ τὸ / ἐσόμενον τέλος .}} | '''F'''Uit quidam, Theodorus nomine, rebellis admodum Deo,{{right sidenote|''Ambitioſus Theodorus deſiderat patriarchatum Hieroſolymitanum,''}} ſuperbus, atque, ut rerum eventus docuit, infeliciſſimus: formâ habitúque monaſtico, tamquam ovis vellere, externam obtexerat ſpeciem, cum lupus intus rapax lateret, mentemque reconderet immaniſſimam. Huic amicus quidam erat, cognomento Baſilius: proximam namque ei in Spudæo {{right sidenote|a}} ''a'' ſanctæ Chriſti, Dei noſtri, Reſurrectionis cellam obtinebat. Die igitur quadam Baſilium hunc adiit Theodorus ''b''{{right sidenote|b}}, hoc nomine indignus, quaſi animo adverſus eum affectus ſupra modum benevolo; & intimæ ſingillatim illi quotidie ſenſa communicans, quamque ſibi infeſtiſſimus ſuperbiæ ſpiritus cogitationem ſuggeſſerat, explicuit hunc in modum: Noſti, candidiſſime mi, ſinceriſſimam, quam tibi ſemper exhibui dilectionem, quamque etiamnum amicitiam conſervo; unde ne animi quidem mei motus inteſtina mihi acerrimaque bella concitantes celare te poſſum; imo verò ut aperiam, nunc adveni. Ingens miſerè me modo excruciat deſiderium, & cupido intolerabilis, ut pulſo per me fugatoque hierarchica dignitate Domno Elia,{{right sidenote|'''F'''}} Theadelphico ''c''{{right sidenote|c}} Hieroſolymitanæ Eccleſiæ throno potiar. Sed utinam, quid eo negotio futurum ſit, ante ſciam, quam ad illud aggrediendum accingar; ut ſic illi me in conficiendo poſſim accommodare: non enim te latet, quantum gratiâ apud Phoſati ''d''{{right sidenote|d}} ſymbolum valeam, quantumque etiam plus (neque enim parum intereſt) frater apud eumdem, meus: medicus eſt namque, ut ſcis, utiliſſimus, cientiáque & famâ multos antecellens. Exorari ergo ſe ſinat ſpiritualis amicitia tua, ac mecum in ſancti patris noſtri Sabæ præclaram Lauram, ad ſanctum Stephanum eremitam comiteris, ut ex eo, quem res, quam intendimus, eventum ſit fortitura, diſcamus. |- | 45 {{graeca|Τοῦτον οὖν? μεθ' ἑαυτοῦ? λαβὼν πρὸς / προαίρεσιν τῆς ψυχῆς τοῖς παρεληλυθόσιν αὐτοῦ / λόγοις ὑποέζαντα? , ἀφίκετο πρὸς τὸν Γέροντα ,}} | {{right sidenote|''de eoque Stephanum conſulitum adit,''' '''tunc'''}} 45 Hoc igitur adſcito comite; (quippe qui præter animi conſilium, ejus tandem adhortationibus ceſſerat) ad Senem pervenit,<noinclude><!-- --> |} {{rh||Zzz 3|}} <references /></noinclude> 8gm70ep0tukjj2utnl095v8aqaskvaj 104 84745 277047 275440 2026-08-22T23:52:59Z Vladis13 10700 277047 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="LihachevAnthon1971" />__NOEDITSECTION____NOTOC__{{rh|526 |DE S. STEPHANO SAB. THAUMAT. MON.|}}{{left sidenote|AUCTORE J. P.}} {| class="table-text" |-</noinclude>| ''uti etiam diversè iisdem accensetur in Martyrologio Sirleti eodem die XXVIII Octobris bis verbis:'' Sanctorum Martyrum, Terentii, Neonillæ, & sancti patris nostri, Stephani Sabaitæ; qui omnes in Christianæ fidei confessione perseverantes, post carceres & verbera, feris expositi, & in lebetes, pice fervente plenos, projecti, cum tormenta omnia pro nihilo facerent, ense obtruncati sunt. ''Simon Wangnereckius'' noster in ''Prolegomenis'' opusculi, inscripti ''Pietas Mariana Græcorum'', pag. 79, num. 24, Stephanum Sabaitam ''hujus diei'' confundit cum eo, qui colitur XXVIII Octobris, atque adeo hunc nostrum cum Poëta; cum addat: Quem etiam (S. Sabam) in hymnis seu pangendis seu colligendis imitatus videtur. Deinde Centuria I, pag. 188, elogium Marianum Græco-Latinum sub ipsius nomine producit; at perperam; Si enim Stephanus noster hymnographus aut Poëta fuisset; anne est credibile, Leontium ne vel minimam hujus rei mentionem facturum fuisse, tam accuratum gestorum ejus historicum, & in plurimis quidem oculatum inspectorem? {{left sidenote|'''B'''}} Neque objicias in parte Vitæ, quæ intercidit, hoc fortè factum: nam in periocha ejusdem Vitæ, in qua summatim ac minutè Sancti officia ac virtutes describit; aut in dicto ipsius elogio, verbo saltem indicasset, hymnos in laudem Dei & Sanctorum ab eo concinnatos fuisse. Quod cum nuspiam faciat; satis ejus ex silentio argumenti nobis præberi censemus, ut, quod poëticas dotes spectat, id alteri attribuamus. <div class="title-paragraph">§ II. S. Stephanus consanguineus S. Joannis Damasceni; ingressus in Lauram; annus ac dies mortis.</div> {{left sidenote|S. Stephanus fratris S. Joan. Damasceni filius,}}{{left sidenote|'''C'''}} '''D'''Ie VI Maii actum de S. Joanne Damasceno, eademque occasione obiter indicatum, S. Stephanum nepotem ejus fuisse, Joannem vero ipsius avunculum. ''Quæ terminis minus propriis ac nimium vagis ibidem ex incidenti tacta sunt, ea hîc paululum elucidanda.'' Fuit itaque S. Stephanus S. Joannis Damasceni fratris filius, adeoque, si propriè loqui velimus, fuit idem Sanctus ipsius patruus, non verò avunculus. Res constat ex ''Leontio'', in subjecta Vita ita loquente num. 184: Decennis.. ad Maximam Lauram nostram cum patruo (Græcè est {{graeca|πατραδέλφῳ}}) suo accessit. Vox {{graeca|πατράδελφος}} hîc significat fratrem patris, seu patruum, non verò fratrem matris sive avunculum: quæ hic num. 133 Vitæ etiam apponitur Leontii nutrici, patris sorori, {{graeca|πατρὶς πατράδελφος}}. Laudatus Leontius nomen patrui supra non adjungit; ideo, ut arbitror, quia in bene magna ista Vitæ parte, quæ intercidit, alias fortassè sæpius illud ipsum expresserat, dum occasio sese offerret tractandi de primo Stephani ad Lauram ingressu, primisque post illum fervoribus sacris sub patrui directione, ut videtur innuere idem Auctor, quando addit: Cum quo annis XV in omni obedientia ac submissione vixit.. Unde sequitur, annuntiationem Synaxarii Claromontani superius num. 2 allatam, præter confusionem Sancti nostri cum alio etiam et synonymo, de qua ibi diximus, aliud peccare, dum eidem addit: {{graeca|ἀνεψιὸς Ἰω.}} (id est {{graeca|Ἰωάννου}}) {{graeca|τοῦ Δαμασκηνοῦ}}; nam {{graeca|ἀνεψιὸς}} significat filium fratris patris an sororis; nec determinat vi vocis, patruusne an avunculus sit ille, cujus respectu aliquis | dicitur {{graeca|ἀνεψιὸς}}. ''Quam æquivocationem hic tollere, visum est.'' {{right sidenote|'''D'''}} {{right sidenote|præter Laurarum legem,}} 11 ''Immatura S. Stephani ætas non obstitit, quo minus in Lauram Maximam admitteretur; tametsi ex antiqua ac usitata consuetudine, & ex stata Laurarum lege juvenes atque imberbes inde arcerentur, atque ad monasteria mitterentur.'' Hoc liquet variis locis in Vita S. Sabæ apud Cotelerium pagg. 228 & 229; quem sic affatur S. Euthymius: Fili, non puto æquum esse, te, qui juvenis es, in Laura manere: neque enim Lauræ conducit, juvenem habere: neque juveni convenit, in medio anachoretarum versari. Abi ergo ad inferius monasterium ad abbatem Theoctistum.. Cui significavit, ut ejus curam gereret... Ex proprio suo exemplo sanctionem ei dedit, ut in Laura imberbem non reciperet; sed & aliarum Laurarum Præpositis eamdem legem traderet, quæ vetus esset, & apud antiquos Patres obtinuisset. Ita consuetudo obtinuit etiam sub S. Saba: nam, sicut ibidem habes pag. 259: {{right sidenote|'''E'''}} Imberbi non concedebat prorsus in suo conventu habitare, qui os barba non obduxisset.. & si quando imberbem, perfectæ tamen ætatis, renuntiationis cupidum suscepisset, ad beatissimum abbatem Theodosium mittebat; qui, ut dicitur eadem pag. 259, habitabat quasi XXXV à Laura stadiis ad Occidentem, ubi cœnobium illustrissimum Christi ope constituerat. Idem confirmatur ibidem pag. 260. Unde liquet, ætatem immaturam arcuisse pueros à Lauris. {{right sidenote|pueros inde arcentium legem,}} 12 ''His tamen non obstantibus, constat ex Vita, S. Stephanum decennem, ad Maximam Lauram cum patruo accessisse.'' An fortè, quia lapsu temporis moderatio aliqua aut mitigatio in primævo illo rigore adhibita? Id videtur suaderi ex Actis SS. Theodori & Theophanis, qui claruerunt sub initium seculi noni, adeoque proximè post obitum Sancti nostri. Videri de ipsis potest Surius die XVI Decembris; ubi Theodorus cum jam à puerili ætate excederet... traditur divini Sabæ monasterio... habebat autem fratrem quoque Theophanem, qui... erat minor... {{right sidenote|'''F'''}} Atque illic quidem versabantur utrique. Et plus vice simplici ibidem recurrit vox monasterium: & in Græcis Actis Mss., quæ asservamus, sæpius repetitur μονὴ, quod monasterium non Lauram significat: colligiturque ex dictis, magnum discrimen fuisse inter admissionem puerorum in Lauras & in monasteria: ad hæc enim mittebantur, qui defectu sufficientis ætatis ab illis erant exclusi: monachi enim primò exercebantur in monasteriis, quos, cum ad majorem perfectionem pervenerant, in cellis Laurarum collocabant, eosque anachoretas appellabant, uti pluribus exemplis probatur ad diem XX Januarii pag. 299. Inter Lauras enim & monasteria hoc intererat, ut præter scopum à nobis prefixum numero I, unicum hoc addamus, quod Lauræ constarent ex diversis cellulis, satis inter se disjunctis, in quibus solitarii vivebant separati; in monasteriis verò vivebant monachi simul in communi; ut videris in Notis Henrici Valesii ad Evagrium pag. 64: & in loco mox citato pag. 298. Tametsi igitur magnum inter utramque illam habitationem esset discrimen, & una quidem pueros includeret, excluderet alia; non videtur tamen ex illo discrimine hic quidquam confici posse; quandoquidem manifestè ab scriptore dictorum Actorum indigitari putèm Maximam S. Sabæ Lauram: postea subjungente: Quorum (monasteriorum, quæ erant in Palæstina) primum & maximum erat divini Sabæ mona-<noinclude><!-- --> |} <references /></noinclude> 008djmrdge6n6w8f8630xrkkef4vfmc 104 84767 277048 275021 2026-08-22T23:54:25Z Vladis13 10700 277048 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="LihachevAnthon1971" />__NOEDITSECTION____NOTOC__{{rh|528 {{right sidenote|AUCTORE J. P.}}|DE S. STEPHANO SAB. MON. THAUMAT.}} {| class="table-text" |-</noinclude>| grapho 4, num. 15, consentiente etiam Pagio: qui annus à mense Septembri cœperat concurrere cum Indictione X.{{right sidenote|'''A'''}} 17 ''Conformiter etiam ad hoc systema ordinandum est martyrium viginti monachorum è Laura S. Sabæ, cujus epocham consignat Stephanus Sabaita, oculatus testis, Anno ab orbe condito sexies millesimo, ducentesimo, octogesimo octavo... A nato secundum carnem Deo.. DCCLXXXVIII, Indictione V: quem nos cum Pagio inneximus anno vulgari DCCXCVI secundum dicta; & consequenter cum eo putamus, legendam esse Indictionem IV pro V; etiamsi Indictio V in dicto martyrio, Græcè excuso ad calcem tomi 3 Martii, signanter ab Auctore exprimatur num. 3, sive id contigerit errore ipsius, sive oscitantia amanuensium; quamquam multò facilius sit mutari ex lapsu in aliquo apographo Latino numerum quintum in quartum, aut contra; quam in Græco πέμπτον in τέταρτον.'' Utut est, Indictio IV, anno DCCXCV inchoata à mense Septembri, currebat mense Martio anni DCCXCVI, quo dicti Martyres interempti sunt, usque ad proximum Septembrem. Hinc corrigendus Papebrochius, in Commentario prævio ad dictum martyrium numero 6, ubi notat annum DCCXCVII juxta ea, quæ in Exegesi præliminari I, dicto tomo præfixa, de S. Theophanis Chronographia disseruerat; præter annos octo adjiciens annum alterum Phocæ, ob causam, à se in eadem Exegesi indicatam, detractum, ad exæquandam Æram Alexandrinam cum vulgari; cujus anni additamento ad Indictionem V, in martyrio signatam, perveniatur; quæ tamen non convenit cum Pascha, quod eodem numero 6 signat.{{right sidenote|ac sanctorum Martyrum Sabaitarum,}} 18 ''Affigit illud diei XXIII Martii; at per integrum mensem errarat: quod anno quidem, ut liquet ex dictis, DCCXCV incidit in XXIII Martii; sed anno DCCXCVII in XXIII Aprilis (XXIII Martii etiam male notatur apud Cangium in Tabulis Chronologicis expansis Glossarii Lat. ad vocem annus): quam Papebrochii inadvertentiam mirum non observasse Pagium, in anno martyrii, & Indictione corrigendis satis hic oculatum.'' Ceterum sicuti ex puncto unico malè fixo consequi solent alia non cohærentia; ita si isto numero plura non subsistunt, ad trutinam secundis curis exigenda & reformanda. Enimvero si juxta nostrum systema martyrium affigas anno DCCXCVI, Pascha incidente in III Aprilis, non video equidem, quid obstet, quo minus notæ Chronologicæ, in ejusdem decursu expressæ, convenienter inter se componantur. Cujusmodi sunt illæ; Quadragesima præterlabens, {{graeca|παρελθούσης ἐντύγχανεν}}, num. 21: irruptio barbarorum in Lauram XIII Martii mensis die, ibidem; qui anno DCCXCVI incidit in Dominicam. In crastinum verò.. totâ hebdomada illâ incessanter orant (Sabaitæ) num. 27, præta usque ad XIX Martii: quâ transactâ, Sabbato vesperi Palæo-lauritas monachos nuntios accipiunt, num. 28. An, & quid postea contigerit, quod hîc addi possit, fortè sciremus, si pars martyrii non intercidisset. Denique Quadragesimalis abstinentiæ tempus exornarunt, id est martyrium obierunt tempore Quadragesimæ, num. 78: ante.. passionem ejus (Christi) passi etiam ipsi, id est ante hebdomadam Majorem Latinis; (Magnam verò Græcis, salutiferæ Passionis, ac dies Passionum, ut videris apud Allatium col. 1443;) Unde post paucos dies cum eodem salvificum celebrarunt Pascha, ut ibidem dicitur. Quæ omnia in nostra epocha concinnè ordinari, nemo non videt; secundum quam etiam emendari potest id quod ha-{{right sidenote|'''B''' cujus epocha hic reformatur.}} | bet Papebrochius in ''Historia Chronologica Patriarcharum Hierosolymitanorum'' ante tom. 2 Maii pag. XXXIX, de obitu S. Stephani; ubi iterum signat annum DCCXCV, & Martyribus laudatis rursum tribuit annum DCCXCVII. His ita excussis ac stabilitis, superest, ut ad ordinandam Vitæ S. Stephani chronotaxin accedamus.{{right sidenote|'''C'''}} <div class="title-paragraph">§ III. Vitæ chronotaxis; Acta, quæ hic dantur; eorum Auctor; Annotata; versio.</div> '''A'''Nno mortis S. Stephani sic fixo, ''non magni laboris erit, præcipua rerum ab ipso gestarum capita, quæ observato ordine temporis ac duratione perquam accuratè recenset Auctor num. 184, annis ætatis ejus nec non Æra vulgaris adaptare; ut suus cuique calculus chronologicus respondeat, in sequentia temporis puncta dispertitus.'' Cum itaque ibidem dicatur Sanctus vixisse solidas annorum 69 periodos, totam vita summam circumscribamus totidem annis 69 completis. Vivere igitur cœperit anno Christi DCCXXV. Novem apud suos postquam posuisset annos, decimo ætatis inchoato, Christi DCCXXXV (non 745, ut mendosè scribitur ad diem VI Maii in Commentario prævio S. Joannis Damasceni, pag. 109, num. 9) ad Maximam Lauram accesserit cum patruo; sub cujus disciplina impendit annos 15, num ætatis 24, Christi DCCLVII. Tum annos 8 variis ministeriis dedit; sicque attigerit annum ætatis 32, Christi DCCLVI. Adde annos 15, in artissima besychasterii solitudine transactos, & numeraverit annum ætatis 37, in Vita disertè expressum, Christi DCCLXII; item annos 15, quos transegit maximè solitarius, ac cilicio indutus, tres insuper quotannis in sua eremo observans Quadragesimas, usque ad annum ætatis 52, Christi DCCLXXVII. Denique hisce annumera annos 17, cum præcipuis Lauræ patribus decursos; & habebis annos ætatis 69, Christi DCCXCIV, quo vitam clausit.{{right sidenote|Præcipua Vitæ gesta ad calculos chronologicos exacta: '''D'''}} 20 ''De Actis observanda occurrunt sequentia. Ernit ea & descripsit Papebrochius; quo autem loco aut tempore, quave occasione, indicat in pluries citato Commentario prævio Martyrum Sabaitarum num. 4:'' Dicta porro Acta (Martyrum Sabaitarum) unà cum aliis Sanctorum ad Palæstinam ferè pertinentium Vitis (adeoque & hujus nostri Sancti) descripsimus anno MDCLXII ex probatissimo annorum plus quam sexcentorum codice Petri Seguierii, Franciæ Cancellarii, nobis Parisiis commodato in gratiam R. P. Francisci Annati, Confessarii Regii. Dum itaque Vitam S. Stephani in lucem damus, ingentem thesaurum orbi pandimus, & vix pretio æstimabilem: nam ut de codicis antiquitate, è quo ea transcripta fuit, nihil dicam, pretium summum meretur ob rarissimos & planè singulares sinceritatis characteres; identidem en e-{{right sidenote|'''E''' Acta quâ occasione descripta sincera, sed acephala;}} |}<noinclude><!-- --> |} <references /></noinclude> f2mqzixgxytzriepejy1kskhit214ev 104 84781 277052 276764 2026-08-23T00:08:32Z Vladis13 10700 277052 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="LihachevAnthon1971" />__NOEDITSECTION____NOTOC__{{rh||DIE DECIMA TERTIA JULII.|585}} {{right sidenote|A. LEONTIO DISC. EX MS.GR.}}</noinclude>{{left sidenote|'''A'''}}{{right sidenote|A. LEONTIO DISC. EX MS.GR.}} <div class="title-caput">CAPUT XI.</div> <div class="subtitle">Abſentia, occulta, futura exponit; & cum ſecreto anachoreta colloquitur; cujus deinde formam & vitam breviter explicat.</div> {| class="table-text" |- | {{graeca|Μετὰ δὲ ταῦτα , τοῦ λίου δυόντος , ἀπὸ / τοῦ κελίου ἐπὶ τὸ ἡσυχαστήριον τοῦ Γέροντος / πορευόμενος? , ἐν ἡμέρᾳ σαββάτῳ τοῦ Ἰουλίου μηνὸς / διϊσπεύοντος , ἐν θερμαῖς ὥραις , καὶ τὴν ὁδὸν ἀ‑ / κουω βροντῶν καταρρηγνυμένων , καὶ ἀστραπὰς ἐξ‑ / αστραπτούσας ὁρῶ , μικρᾶς νεφέλης ἐπὶ τὸ ἔρημον τῆς / νεκρᾶς θαλάσσης διαπετασθείσης? · τεθηπὼς? λίαν / ἐπὶ τῷ παραδόξῳ τότε ἀκούσματι καὶ θεάματι , / τὸ ἡσυχαστήριον τοῦ Γέροντος κατέλαβον · / καὶ πατάξαντός μου? λίθῳ τὴν θύραν , ἀνέῳξέ μοι ὁ / ἅγιος Γέρων , {{left sidenote|'''B'''}} ἔκλαμπον? ἔχων τὸ πρόσωπον καὶ / ἀγαλλιώμενον , καί φησι πρὸς με · Ἔγνως , ὦ / τέκνον , διὰ τί γέγονεν ἡ βροντὴ αὕτη ; Ἐμοῦ δὲ / εἰπόντος · Οὐχί , πάτερ . Ἀποκριθεὶς ἔτι πρὸς μέ φη‑ / σί · Πληροφορήθητι , τέκνον , ὅτι ἀναχωρητής τις / καὶ ἐρημοπολίτης , πλησίον τῆς νεκρᾶς θαλάσσης / περιπολῶν? , διψήσας ἐζήτησεν ὕδωρ , καὶ μὴ εὑ‑ / ρηκὼς ἠνιάθη , καὶ ἔκλαυσε , καὶ δέησιν πεποιηκότι? / αὐτῷ πρὸς τὸν Θεὸν , καὶ τὴν ἀνέκφραστον αὐτοῦ / ἀγαθότητα ἐκέλευσεν? , καὶ ἦλθεν ἡ νεφέλη , καὶ / τὸν? ἑαυτοῦ θεράποντα? κυδαίνων? ἐβρόντησε , καὶ / τὸν ὑετὸν ἐξαποστείλας , τὴν δίψαν τοῦ δούλου / αὐτοῦ ἰάσατο . Πολὺ δὲ θεωρῶν με ἐπὶ τούτοις / ἐκπλαγέντα , ἐδευτέρωσε τὸν λόγον καὶ ἐτρίτωσε , / διαβεβαιούμενός μοι τὸ θαῦμα . Καὶ μεθ' ἡμέρας / πέντε μετὰ τῶν συμμαθητῶν ἐπὶ τὴν νεκρὰν / ἐπορεύθην θάλατταν ἕνεκα συλλογῆς καλάμων , / προσταχθεὶς ὑπ' αὐτο τὰ ὀμβρικὰ σημειώσασθαι / ἴχνη , ὅπως ἀδυσίαντε? τύχοιμεν πληροφορίας . / Ἐλθόντες δὲ εἰς τὸν σημανθέντα τόπον ὑπὸ το / Γέροντος , καὶ εὑρόντες αὐτὰ? , ὥσπερ εἶπεν ἡμῖν , / ὑπεστρέψαμεν , χάριν τῷ Θεῷ ἐξομολογοῦντες , / καὶ τοῦ θαυμασίου Γέροντος τὴν διόρασιν / ἐκθειάζοντες .}} | {{right sidenote|''Cognóscit eremíta sitienti aquam divínitus concesſam;''}}'''P'''Ost hæc, cum à cella sub occasum solis ad Senis hesychasterium contenderem, die sabbati labentis Julii mensis, æstivo tempore, per viam strepere audio tonitrua, ac micare fulmina video, oppansâ super maris Mortui eremo exiguâ nubeculâ: dum hæc & audita & spectata mecum admiror, ad Senis hesychasterium devenio; lapide ostium pulsanti aperit mihi Senex, coruscanti facie atque exultanti similis, & ait mihi: Nostin', fili, tonitruum istud quid sibi voluerit? Non equidem, inquam, Pater. {{right sidenote|'''E'''}}Respondit ille: Scito, fili, anachoretam quemdam & solitudinis mari Mortuo adjacentis incolam circumcursasse, ut siti, qua premebatur, restinguendæ aquam uspiam inveniret, sed eâ minimè repertâ, in tristitiam ac fletum prorupit, factaque Deo supplicatione, impetravit ille pro sua bonitate ineffabili, & venit nubes, & famulum suum glorificans intonuit, inductâque pluviâ servi sui sitim sedavit. Cum vero multum hisce me commotum adverteret ac stupentem, verba eadem secundo ac tertiò ingeminabat, ut miraculi mihi veritatem asseveraret. Post dies autem quinque mare Mortuum colligendorum calamorum causâ unà cum condiscipulis adii, imbris indicia jussus observare, ut rei veritas nobis nullo negotio patefieret. Postquam itaque ad assignatum à Sene locum venissemus, remque ita habere comperissemus, uti dixerat nobis, reversi sumus, & Dei confitentes gratiam, & admirabilem Senis perspicientiam venerantes. |- | {{left sidenote|'''C'''}} {{graeca|131 Καὶ ἄλλοτε διορατικῷ λαμπυρῷ? / ὄμματι ἐξαίσιον ἡμῖν εἶπεν πρᾶγμα , διατρίβων τό‑ / τε ἐν τοῖς τοῦ Καστελλίου σπηλαίοις κατὰ τὸν καιρὸν / τοῦ ἁγίου πατρὸς ἡμῶν Σάββα μνήμης , πα‑ / ρόντος τῷ ἐλλογιμωτάτῳ καὶ ἐναρέτῳ ἀββᾶ Εὐ‑ / σταθίῳ , τῷ νυνὶ ἐπισκόπῳ ὑπάρχοντι τῆς φιλοχρί‑ / στου πόλεως Λύδδης , εἰς ἐπίσκεψιν ἐληλυθότι . / Ἡμῶν δὲ περὶ τὴν ἑσπέραν ὀλίγον ἐσθιόντων / ὀπώρων , ἐξαίφνης τοῦ Γέροντος ὄψις ἐφά‑ / νη , δίκην ἡλίου καταλάμπουσα? ἐρευθραίνουσα . Ἡ‑ / μῶν ἀτενιζόντων αὐτῷ , ἔφη πρὸς μᾶς · Ὑμῖν / ἐρῶ , ὅτι κεῖται ἐνταῦθα πρὸ τ θύρ τοῦ / σπηλαίου κάλπη κεκρυμμένη χαμαί · καὶ εἰ θέ‑ / λετε πληροφορηθῆναι , σκάψατε , καὶ εὑρήσε‑ / τε αὐτήν . Παραυτίκα ὁ ἀββᾶς Εὐστάθιος / ἀναστάς , ἄνευ σμινύης ταῖς χερσὶν ὀρύττειν ἀπ‑ / ήρξατο . Ἀτονήσαντος δὲ αὐτο ταχέως , λέ‑ / γει πρὸς ἡμᾶς ὁ θεσπέσιος Γέρων · Οὔτε πί‑ / στιν , οὔτε ὑπομονὴν ἔχετε , ταπεινοί . Εὐθέως δὲ / συνορύττειν αὐτῷ ἐπελαβόμην . Σκάψαντες δὲ / ὁμοῦ καὶ βαθύναντες τὸν τόπον , καὶ μηδὲν εὑ‑ / ρηκότες , δυσπισίᾳ συνεσχέθημεν , καὶ παύσασθαι / τοῦ σκάπτειν ἠβουλήθημεν . Ὅθεν παραβλοσυμένως? / ἡμᾶς θεασάμενος ὁ Πρεσβύτης , διαχυθεὶς μι‑ / κρὸν καὶ ὑπομειδιάσας ἔφη · Στίξατε? ὀλίγον ἔτι , / ὀλιγόπιστοι · μικρὸν γὰρ πρὸς τὴν προσευχὴν ὁ Γέ‑ / ρων … }} | 131 Aliàs quoque pervidenti illustratus oculo rem nobis dixit singularem, cum in Castellii spelæis tunc versaretur per dies, quibus sancti Patris nostri Sabbæ memoria celebratur, præsentе eximio plane, {{right sidenote|'''F'''}} ac suis claro virtutibus Abbate tum, nunc autem Lyddæ {{right sidenote|'''a'''}}, urbis Christo dilectæ, episcopo Eustathio, qui ad visitandum eum venerat. Cum igitur sub vesperam exiguum quiddam pomorum cœnassemus, illico Senis vultus, splendentis instar solis accensus, refulsit; dumque oculos in eum intendimus; Dico, inquit, vobis, abditam hic in terra juxta ostium speluncæ jacere pelvim; & siquidem rem vultis pernoscere, fodite, & eam invenietis. Surgit extemplo Abbas Eustathius, & sine ligone terram egerere manibus occipit, quo ardorem illum cito remittente, ita nos mirificus Senex increpuit: Neque fidem, neque patientiam habetis, miseri. Incepi ergo & ego statim unà fodere cum illo. Jam terram simul ambo erueramus, altèque penetraveramus in locum, cum, re nullâ detectâ, incredulitas nobis suborta est, & supersedere placuit fossione. Quare Senex turbari nos conspicatus, atque explicata non nihil fronte subridens ait: Sustinete adhuc aliquantulum, modicæ fidei. Erutâ igitur, ad imperium Se‑<noinclude><!-- --> |} {{rh|''Julii Tomus III.''||E e e e}} <references /></noinclude> b3es8hg0n35rj89lqkue31uqwmhdkxh 102 85186 276983 276880 2026-08-22T21:00:20Z Coronus Tenebrosius 31709 276983 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Franciscus Christophorus Comes de Frangipanibus''' (1641 - 1671) [[Fasciculus:Frankopan autographum.jpg|thumb|center|Autographum Francisci Christophori Comitis de Frangipanibus (saec. XVII)]] Autographus eius authenticus historicus: '''Ferenaz Frangopan Groff Tersazki'''; Croatice hodierna: '''Fran Krsto Frankopan'''. Magnatus nobilis (comes), politicus, dux militaris atque poeta barocensis Croaticus fuit. Latine, Croatice et Italice scripsit. == Opera == * [[Elegia]] (1656) == Ex [[Elegia]] versus selecti == <poem> ''Sol meus Illyrici sine me revolavit ab undis; ''Exul ego aeterna nocte sepultus agor.'' </poem> == Posthuma == * [[s:hr:Gartlic za čas kratiti|Gartlic za čas kratiti]] (1871) - liber poeticus Croatice scripsit, usque ad annum 1671 compositus Latine: [[Hortulus ad tempus terendum]] == Nexus externi == * [https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franciscus_Christophorus_Comes_de_Frangipanibus Franciscus Christophorus Comes de Frangipanibus (Vicipaedia)] [[Categoria:Poetae|Frangipani]] [[Categoria:Scriptores|Frangipani]] [[Categoria:Scriptores Croatiae|Frangipani]] [[Categoria:Scriptor-F|Frangipani]] [[Categoria:Saeculi septimi decimi scriptores|Frangipani]] 7goy53c2ssuzibs78b3e8qgjxgsbfw9 106 85223 276955 2026-08-22T17:46:15Z SZC 03 22335 Paginam instituit, scribens '' 276955 proofread-index text/x-wiki {{:MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_template |Title=Fragmenta Poetarum Latinorum Epicorum et Lyricorum |Language=la |Volume= |Author= |Translator= |Editor= |Illustrator= |Publisher= |Address= |Year=1943 |Source= |Image=[[File:{{PAGENAME}}{{!}}300px{{!}}page=5]] |Progress=X |Pages=<pagelist 3=1 1to6=– 1=tegumentum 5=frontispicium 7to9=highroman 10=– 11=1 201to204=–/> |Remarks= |Header= |Footer= }} lu3glbhi6yqc4q2ocuyduxir4p6pyt3 277017 276955 2026-08-22T22:17:40Z SZC 03 22335 277017 proofread-index text/x-wiki {{:MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_template |Title=Fragmenta Poetarum Latinorum Epicorum et Lyricorum |Language=la |Volume= |Author=edidit [[Scriptor:Villelmus Morel|Willy Morel]] |Translator= |Editor= |Illustrator= |Publisher= |Address= |Year=1943 |Source= |Image=[[File:{{PAGENAME}}{{!}}300px{{!}}page=5]] |Progress=X |Pages=<pagelist 3=1 1to6=– 1=tegumentum 5=frontispicium 7to9=highroman 10=– 11=1 201to204=–/> |Remarks= |Header= |Footer= }} tbkio8gxjng165bwcljfkzyy2j0yd36 277023 277017 2026-08-22T22:25:22Z SZC 03 22335 277023 proofread-index text/x-wiki {{:MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_template |Title=Fragmenta Poetarum Latinorum Epicorum et Lyricorum |Language=la |Volume= |Author=edidit [[Scriptor:Villelmus Morel|Willy Morel]] |Translator= |Editor= |Illustrator= |Publisher= |Address= |Year=1943 |Source= |Image=[[File:{{PAGENAME}}{{!}}300px{{!}}page=5]] |Progress=X |Pages=<pagelist 3=1 1to6=– 1=tegumentum 5=frontispicium 7to9=highroman 10=– 11=1 201to204=–/> |Remarks=Index: * [[Carmen saliare]] * [[Alii versus sacrorum]] * [[Sententiae (Appius)]] * [[Praecepta (Marcius)]] * [[Sententia (incertus)]] * [[Auli Atilii Calatini elogium]] * [[Odyssia]] * [[Fragmenta incertae sedis (Andronicus)]] … |Header= |Footer= }} 3ht6hcilmw2c27oeb11r0elsvbaa2i9 277066 277023 2026-08-23T09:03:37Z SZC 03 22335 277066 proofread-index text/x-wiki {{:MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_template |Title=Fragmenta Poetarum Latinorum Epicorum et Lyricorum |Language=la |Volume= |Author=edidit [[Scriptor:Villelmus Morel|Willy Morel]] |Translator= |Editor= |Illustrator= |Publisher= |Address= |Year=1943 |Source= |Image=[[File:{{PAGENAME}}{{!}}300px{{!}}page=5]] |Progress=X |Pages=<pagelist 3=1 1to6=– 1=tegumentum 5=frontispicium 7to9=highroman 10=– 11=1 201to204=–/> |Remarks=Index: * [[Carmen saliare]] * [[Alii versus sacrorum]] * [[Sententiae (Appius)]] * [[Praecepta (Marcius)]] * [[Sententia (incertus)]] * [[Auli Atilii Calatini elogium]] * [[Odussia (ed. 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Anno 1886 Aemilius Baehrens FRAGMENTA POETARUM ROMANORUM ita ediderat, ut nequaquam virorum doctorum plausum ferret. Atque in Ennio quidem et Lucilio nemo iam hodie illam editionem consulit, postquam I. Vahlen et Fr. Marx suas horum poetarum editiones evulgaverunt. Contra aliorum poetarum epicorum et lyricorum reliquias inviti usque ad hodiernum diem in Baehrensiana editione legimus. Quibus vitiis hic liber laboret paucis exponam. Recepit ille plurimos versus a proposito syllogae alienos, nec solum tragicos vel comicos sed etiam exstantium poetarum Lucani Claudiani aliorum nonnullos, deceptus scilicet malis quibusdam fontium editionibus, in quibus illi sine auctorum nominibus afferuntur. Accedit quod in iis quoque fragmentis, quae iure editioni suae inseruit, varie peccavit professor Groningensis. Verborum enim crisin arbitrarie factitabat, falsis locis fragmenta nonnulla collocabat, exempla Graeca non ea qua par erat diligentia investigabat. Unum huiusce rei exemplum dedi in commentatiuncula Hermae volumini 61 inserta. Sunt quoque fragmenta quae ille neglecta litterarum historia false attribuit, sunt quae recipere omisit, ita ut toto opere non nisi summa cautione uti liceret. Quod cum ita se habere frequenti usu edoctus essem, constitui eam fragmentorum partem, quae adhuc probam editionem exspectaret, denuo recensendam suscipere. Augebat animum, quod multorum virorum doctorum operam pretiosis illis reliquiis egregie profuisse videbam. Ex his {{pt|nul-}}<noinclude></noinclude> evpof0l8b2e9vv8g05j201ndwnzsb2x 276984 276965 2026-08-22T21:02:47Z Maculosae tegmine lyncis 10871 /* Emendata */ 276984 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="Maculosae tegmine lyncis" /></noinclude>{{ct|PRAEFATIO}} Quid in hoc libro mihi proposuerim titulus ipse indicat. Anno 1886 Aemilius Baehrens FRAGMENTA POETARUM ROMANORUM ita ediderat, ut nequaquam virorum doctorum plausum ferret. Atque in Ennio quidem et Lucilio nemo iam hodie illam editionem consulit, postquam I. Vahlen et Fr. Marx suas horum poetarum editiones evulgaverunt. Contra aliorum poetarum epicorum et lyricorum reliquias inviti usque ad hodiernum diem in Baehrensiana editione legimus. Quibus vitiis hic liber laboret paucis exponam. Recepit ille plurimos versus a proposito syllogae alienos, nec solum tragicos vel comicos sed etiam exstantium poetarum Lucani Claudiani aliorum nonnullos, deceptus scilicet malis quibusdam fontium editionibus, in quibus illi sine auctorum nominibus afferuntur. Accedit quod in iis quoque fragmentis, quae iure editioni suae inseruit, varie peccavit professor Groningensis. Verborum enim crisin arbitrarie factitabat, falsis locis fragmenta nonnulla collocabat, exempla Graeca non ea qua par erat diligentia investigabat. Unum huiusce rei exemplum dedi in commentatiuncula Hermae volumini 61 inserta. Sunt quoque fragmenta quae ille neglecta litterarum historia false attribuit, sunt quae recipere omisit, ita ut toto opere non nisi summa cautione uti liceret. Quod cum ita se habere frequenti usu edoctus essem, constitui eam fragmentorum partem, quae adhuc probam editionem exspectaret, denuo recensendam suscipere. Augebat animum, quod multorum virorum doctorum operam pretiosis illis reliquiis egregie profuisse videbam. Ex his {{pt|nul-}}<noinclude></noinclude> ewexxar7ht8aeve9wul7s4ui0j4gl9e 277074 276984 2026-08-23T09:20:29Z SZC 03 22335 /* Validated */ 277074 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="4" user="SZC 03" /></noinclude>{{ct|PRAEFATIO}} Quid in hoc libro mihi proposuerim titulus ipse indicat. Anno 1886 Aemilius Baehrens FRAGMENTA POETARUM ROMANORUM ita ediderat, ut nequaquam virorum doctorum plausum ferret. Atque in Ennio quidem et Lucilio nemo iam hodie illam editionem consulit, postquam I. Vahlen et Fr. Marx suas horum poetarum editiones evulgaverunt. Contra aliorum poetarum epicorum et lyricorum reliquias inviti usque ad hodiernum diem in Baehrensiana editione legimus. Quibus vitiis hic liber laboret paucis exponam. Recepit ille plurimos versus a proposito syllogae alienos, nec solum tragicos vel comicos sed etiam exstantium poetarum Lucani Claudiani aliorum nonnullos, deceptus scilicet malis quibusdam fontium editionibus, in quibus illi sine auctorum nominibus afferuntur. Accedit quod in iis quoque fragmentis, quae iure editioni suae inseruit, varie peccavit professor Groningensis. Verborum enim crisin arbitrarie factitabat, falsis locis fragmenta nonnulla collocabat, exempla Graeca non ea qua par erat diligentia investigabat. Unum huiusce rei exemplum dedi in commentatiuncula Hermae volumini 61 inserta. Sunt quoque fragmenta quae ille neglecta litterarum historia false attribuit, sunt quae recipere omisit, ita ut toto opere non nisi summa cautione uti liceret. Quod cum ita se habere frequenti usu edoctus essem, constitui eam fragmentorum partem, quae adhuc probam editionem exspectaret, denuo recensendam suscipere. Augebat animum, quod multorum virorum doctorum operam pretiosis illis reliquiis egregie profuisse videbam. Ex his {{pt|nul-}}<noinclude></noinclude> pm17zespeb6wx3c9gpi1o6yhfzq8spa 104 85232 276966 2026-08-22T18:04:59Z SZC 03 22335 /* Nondum emendata */ Paginam instituit, scribens '{{pt|lum|nullum}} magis secutus sum quam Leonem, qui vetustiora saltem fragmenta paene omnia tribus libris et commentationibus complexus est, nempe inquisitione in versum Saturnium facta, historia litterarum Latinarum a. 1913 edita, paginis post auctoris mortem Hermae volumini 49 insertis. Ab huius summi viri opinione in versibus Sulla fere antiquioribus perraro deflexi. Nec tacenda C. Cichorii commentatio Naevio devota, cui debeo si... 276966 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="SZC 03" />{{rh|IV|PRAEFATIO}}</noinclude>{{pt|lum|nullum}} magis secutus sum quam Leonem, qui vetustiora saltem fragmenta paene omnia tribus libris et commentationibus complexus est, nempe inquisitione in versum Saturnium facta, historia litterarum Latinarum a. 1913 edita, paginis post auctoris mortem Hermae volumini 49 insertis. Ab huius summi viri opinione in versibus Sulla fere antiquioribus perraro deflexi. Nec tacenda C. Cichorii commentatio Naevio devota, cui debeo si quid boni in mea huius poetae recensione invenietur. Quod ad numerum poetarum a me tractatorum attinet, omisi praeter Ennium et Lucilium etiam Varronem, cuius Satirae Menippeae profecto peculiari editione dignae sunt, omisi Licentii versus nunc in Augustini epistularum editione ab A. Goldbachero curata (C. S. E. L. 34) facile obvios, suppressi pauca praeterea de quibus in Appendice libelli certiorem fieri licet. Poetarum chorum non auxi nisi paucis Augustini Caelii Aureliani Incertorum versibus receptis. Nam ut poetas a Marxio (Dtsch. Lit.-Ztg. 9 [1888] p. 1366 sqq.) Rossbachio (Phil. Wchschr. 43 [1923] p. 624) aliis indicatos reciperem a me impetrare non potui. At nonnullorum poetarum iam a Baehrensio receptorum fragmentis nova quaedam accreverunt velut Ciceronis (in Mario), Apulei, Chalcidii, Incertorum. Summi momenti mihi erat versus Graecos tot fragmentis inde a Livio Andronico usque ad Chalcidium conversos apponere, ut eluceret quid in exemplaribus Graecis Latino sermoni adaptandis praestiterint Romani, quid iis negatum fuerit. Ad ipsa fragmentorum verba constituenda me optimas scriptorum editiones adiisse vix est quod moneam. Magno mihi usui in hoc officio fuerunt volumina Thesauri 1. L. hucusque edita. Apparatum criticum brevem esse volui nec facile librorum manu scriptorum discrepantiam recepi nisi ubi ad textum constituendum omnino necesse videbatur. Proprias coniecturas et in versibus et in lemmatis raro protuli neque credo quemquam lectorem exspectare<noinclude></noinclude> 0gi8u5hptzm4435ad9aqym33j0t2alg 276992 276966 2026-08-22T21:12:15Z Maculosae tegmine lyncis 10871 /* Emendata */ 276992 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="Maculosae tegmine lyncis" />{{rh|IV|PRAEFATIO}}</noinclude>{{pt|lum|nullum}} magis secutus sum quam Leonem, qui vetustiora saltem fragmenta paene omnia tribus libris et commentationibus complexus est, nempe inquisitione in versum Saturnium facta, historia litterarum Latinarum a. 1913 edita, paginis post auctoris mortem Hermae volumini 49 insertis. Ab huius summi viri opinione in versibus Sulla fere antiquioribus perraro deflexi. Nec tacenda C. Cichorii commentatio Naevio devota, cui debeo si quid boni in mea huius poetae recensione invenietur. Quod ad numerum poetarum a me tractatorum attinet, omisi praeter Ennium et Lucilium etiam Varronem, cuius Satirae Menippeae profecto peculiari editione dignae sunt, omisi Licentii versus nunc in Augustini epistularum editione ab A. Goldbachero curata (C. S. E. L. 34) facile obvios, suppressi pauca praeterea de quibus in Appendice libelli certiorem fieri licet. Poetarum chorum non auxi nisi paucis Augustini Caelii Aureliani Incertorum versibus receptis. Nam ut poetas a Marxio (Dtsch. Lit.-Ztg. 9 [1888] p. 1366 sqq.) Rossbachio (Phil. Wchschr. 43 [1923] p. 624) aliis indicatos reciperem a me impetrare non potui. At nonnullorum poetarum iam a Baehrensio receptorum fragmentis nova quaedam accreverunt velut Ciceronis (in Mario), Apulei, Chalcidii, Incertorum. Summi momenti mihi erat versus Graecos tot fragmentis inde a Livio Andronico usque ad Chalcidium conversos apponere, ut eluceret quid in exemplaribus Graecis Latino sermoni adaptandis praestiterint Romani, quid iis negatum fuerit. Ad ipsa fragmentorum verba constituenda me optimas scriptorum editiones adiisse vix est quod moneam. Magno mihi usui in hoc officio fuerunt volumina Thesauri 1. L. hucusque edita. Apparatum criticum brevem esse volui nec facile librorum manu scriptorum discrepantiam recepi nisi ubi ad textum constituendum omnino necesse videbatur. Proprias coniecturas et in versibus et in lemmatis raro protuli neque credo quemquam lectorem exspectare<noinclude></noinclude> kgqwdsyh7grbbj9sed4fuqhce7uhmo0 277073 276992 2026-08-23T09:17:37Z SZC 03 22335 /* Validated */ 277073 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="4" user="SZC 03" />{{rh|IV|PRAEFATIO}}</noinclude>{{pt|lum|nullum}} magis secutus sum quam Leonem, qui vetustiora saltem fragmenta paene omnia tribus libris et commentationibus complexus est, nempe inquisitione in versum Saturnium facta, historia litterarum Latinarum a. 1913 edita, paginis post auctoris mortem Hermae volumini 49 insertis. Ab huius summi viri opinione in versibus Sulla fere antiquioribus perraro deflexi. Nec tacenda C. Cichorii commentatio Naevio devota, cui debeo si quid boni in mea huius poetae recensione invenietur. Quod ad numerum poetarum a me tractatorum attinet, omisi praeter Ennium et Lucilium etiam Varronem, cuius Satirae Menippeae profecto peculiari editione dignae sunt, omisi Licentii versus nunc in Augustini epistularum editione ab A. Goldbachero curata (C. S. E. L. 34) facile obvios, suppressi pauca praeterea de quibus in Appendice libelli certiorem fieri licet. Poetarum chorum non auxi nisi paucis Augustini Caelii Aureliani Incertorum versibus receptis. Nam ut poetas a Marxio (Dtsch. Lit.-Ztg. 9 [1888] p. 1366 sqq.) Rossbachio (Phil. Wchschr. 43 [1923] p. 624) aliis indicatos reciperem a me impetrare non potui. At nonnullorum poetarum iam a Baehrensio receptorum fragmentis nova quaedam accreverunt velut Ciceronis (in Mario), Apulei, Chalcidii, Incertorum. Summi momenti mihi erat versus Graecos tot fragmentis inde a Livio Andronico usque ad Chalcidium conversos apponere, ut eluceret quid in exemplaribus Graecis Latino sermoni adaptandis praestiterint Romani, quid iis negatum fuerit. Ad ipsa fragmentorum verba constituenda me optimas scriptorum editiones adiisse vix est quod moneam. Magno mihi usui in hoc officio fuerunt volumina Thesauri 1. L. hucusque edita. Apparatum criticum brevem esse volui nec facile librorum manu scriptorum discrepantiam recepi nisi ubi ad textum constituendum omnino necesse videbatur. Proprias coniecturas et in versibus et in lemmatis raro protuli neque credo quemquam lectorem exspectare<noinclude></noinclude> gvzfd1rma952pidt3wy9mk6typea9ph 104 85233 276967 2026-08-22T18:06:17Z SZC 03 22335 /* Nondum emendata */ Paginam instituit, scribens 'me ad sananda fragmenta toties a doctis tractata multum novi afferre potuisse. Breves interpretationes multis locis subdere non dubitavi, sed saepe fragmentorum editor ignorantiam confiteri coactus est. Fragmentorum numeros Baehrensianos cancellis inclusos meis addidi necnon paginae meae quibus Baehrensianis respondeant in margine superiori indicatum est. Gratias ago Societati ad sublevandas in Germania litteras conditae, quae ut tot... 276967 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="SZC 03" />{{rh||PRAEFATIO|V}}</noinclude>me ad sananda fragmenta toties a doctis tractata multum novi afferre potuisse. Breves interpretationes multis locis subdere non dubitavi, sed saepe fragmentorum editor ignorantiam confiteri coactus est. Fragmentorum numeros Baehrensianos cancellis inclusos meis addidi necnon paginae meae quibus Baehrensianis respondeant in margine superiori indicatum est. Gratias ago Societati ad sublevandas in Germania litteras conditae, quae ut tot aliis ita etiam huic libro stipe collata auxilium tulit. Opus confectum omnibus quicumque litteris Latinis. student utile visum iri et spero et confido. Dabam Francofurti ad Moenum {{right|'''W. M.'''{{gap|2em}}}}<noinclude></noinclude> 3rut5tkjw41hxfmtktwuqtd8b34cvfp 276982 276967 2026-08-22T20:58:24Z Maculosae tegmine lyncis 10871 /* Emendata */ 276982 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="Maculosae tegmine lyncis" />{{rh||PRAEFATIO|V}}</noinclude>me ad sananda fragmenta toties a doctis tractata multum novi afferre potuisse. Breves interpretationes multis locis subdere non dubitavi, sed saepe fragmentorum editor ignorantiam confiteri coactus est. Fragmentorum numeros Baehrensianos cancellis inclusos meis addidi necnon paginae meae quibus Baehrensianis respondeant in margine superiori indicatum est. Gratias ago Societati ad sublevandas in Germania litteras conditae, quae ut tot aliis ita etiam huic libro stipe collata auxilium tulit. Opus confectum omnibus quicumque litteris Latinis student utile visum iri et spero et confido. Dabam Francofurti ad Moenum {{right|'''W. M.'''{{gap|2em}}}}<noinclude></noinclude> iiukcqv4uztslze2abr7njme632ce6y 277075 276982 2026-08-23T09:21:55Z SZC 03 22335 /* Validated */ 277075 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="4" user="SZC 03" />{{rh||PRAEFATIO|V}}</noinclude>me ad sananda fragmenta toties a doctis tractata multum novi afferre potuisse. Breves interpretationes multis locis subdere non dubitavi, sed saepe fragmentorum editor ignorantiam confiteri coactus est. Fragmentorum numeros Baehrensianos cancellis inclusos meis addidi necnon paginae meae quibus Baehrensianis respondeant in margine superiori indicatum est. Gratias ago Societati ad sublevandas in Germania litteras conditae, quae ut tot aliis ita etiam huic libro stipe collata auxilium tulit. Opus confectum omnibus quicumque litteris Latinis student utile visum iri et spero et confido. Dabam Francofurti ad Moenum {{right|'''W. M.'''{{gap|2em}}}}<noinclude></noinclude> gi7pyjop4onxl7bpyoqfyt5toa8y8bx 104 85234 276969 2026-08-22T18:38:57Z SZC 03 22335 /* Proofread */ 276969 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="SZC 03" /></noinclude>{{ct|CARMEN SALIARE}} {{ct|(Cf. B. Maurenbrecher, Carminum Saliarium Reliquiae.)}} <poem>divum †empta cante,{{gap|4em}}divum deo supplicate.{{R|1}}</poem> <small>Varro ''ling. 7, 27'' ab eadem voce (''sc.'' Casmena) canite, pro quo in Saliari versu scriptum est cante, hoc versu: div. — suppl. epta ''corruptum;'' patrem ''Maur.,'' parentem ''Bhr.'' supplicate ''Grotefend:'' supplj cante. Cf. ''Macr. 1, 9, 14'' Saliorum antiquissimis carminibus deorum deus canitur.</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>quome tonas, Leucesie,{{gap|4em}}prae tet tremonti{{R|2}} †quot ibet etinei de is cum tonarem.</poem> <small>''Scaur. VII 28 K'' antiqui pro hoc adverbio (''h. e. pro'' ''coniunctione cum'') cume dicebant, ut Numa in Saliari carmine: cuine (''sic trad.'') — tonarem.&ensp;'''1''' Cume ''Putsch, sed grammaticus v. 8'' disertis verbis dixerat adverbium per q scribi debere ut quom legissem'' ''e. q. s. Cf. Keilii app. crit. et Leo, Sat. Vers p. 40, 2.''&emsp;tonas Leucesie ''Bergk:'' ponas Leucesiae. prae tet tremonti ''idem e Festo'' ''p. 205 M'' (''222 L'') Pretet tremonti praetemunt pe (praetremunt te ''Mue.''): praetexere monti '''2''' quot ibe tet (''sic iam Havet'') e nubi deiscunt tonare ''ex. gr. Leo. Cf. Macr. 1, 15, 14'' Cum Iovem accipiamus lucis auctorem, unde et Lucetium Salii in carminibus canunt.</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>cozeulodorieso. omnia vero adpatula coemisse.{{R|3}} ian cusianes duonus ceruses dunus Ianusve vet pom melios eum recum.</poem> <small>''Varro ling. 7, 26'' in multis verbis in quo[d] antiqui dicebant s, postea dicunt r, ut in carmine Saliorum sunt haec: coz. — recum. ''Coniecturas, quibus his reliquiis mederi conati sunt viri docti v. apud'' ''Maur. p. 332, qui ipse post ''Ianus'' novum fragmentum inchoat.''</small><noinclude><!--nop--> {{rh|<small>Fragm. poet. Lat. ed. Morel</small>||1{{gap|8em}}}}</noinclude> 344o5udx47lkp7pb7u2yzc83dcscsnp 276973 276969 2026-08-22T19:06:53Z SZC 03 22335 276973 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="SZC 03" /></noinclude>{{ct|CARMEN SALIARE}} {{ct|(Cf. B. Maurenbrecher, Carminum Saliarium Reliquiae.)}} <section begin=s1/><poem>divum †empta cante,{{gap|4em}}divum deo supplicate.{{R|1}}</poem> <small>Varro ''ling. 7, 27'' ab eadem voce (''sc.'' Casmena) canite, pro quo in Saliari versu scriptum est cante, hoc versu: div. — suppl. epta ''corruptum;'' patrem ''Maur.,'' parentem ''Bhr.'' supplicate ''Grotefend:'' supplj cante. Cf. ''Macr. 1, 9, 14'' Saliorum antiquissimis carminibus deorum deus canitur.</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>quome tonas, Leucesie,{{gap|4em}}prae tet tremonti{{R|2}} †quot ibet etinei de is cum tonarem.</poem> <small>''Scaur. VII 28 K'' antiqui pro hoc adverbio (''h. e. pro'' ''coniunctione cum'') cume dicebant, ut Numa in Saliari carmine: cuine (''sic trad.'') — tonarem.&ensp;'''1''' Cume ''Putsch, sed grammaticus v. 8'' disertis verbis dixerat adverbium per q scribi debere ut quom legissem'' ''e. q. s. Cf. Keilii app. crit. et Leo, Sat. Vers p. 40, 2.''&emsp;tonas Leucesie ''Bergk:'' ponas Leucesiae. prae tet tremonti ''idem e Festo'' ''p. 205 M'' (''222 L'') Pretet tremonti praetemunt pe (praetremunt te ''Mue.''): praetexere monti '''2''' quot ibe tet (''sic iam Havet'') e nubi deiscunt tonare ''ex. gr. Leo. Cf. Macr. 1, 15, 14'' Cum Iovem accipiamus lucis auctorem, unde et Lucetium Salii in carminibus canunt.</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>cozeulodorieso. omnia vero adpatula coemisse.{{R|3}} ian cusianes duonus ceruses dunus Ianusve vet pom melios eum recum.</poem> <small>''Varro ling. 7, 26'' in multis verbis in quo[d] antiqui dicebant s, postea dicunt r, ut in carmine Saliorum sunt haec: coz. — recum. ''Coniecturas, quibus his reliquiis mederi conati sunt viri docti v. apud'' ''Maur. p. 332, qui ipse post ''Ianus'' novum fragmentum inchoat.''</small><section end=s1/><noinclude><!--nop--> {{rh|<small>Fragm. poet. Lat. ed. Morel</small>||1{{gap|8em}}}}</noinclude> g6hikq6k0vx3m9bojlwq2be7x3i92o9 104 85235 276970 2026-08-22T18:53:50Z SZC 03 22335 /* Proofread */ 276970 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="SZC 03" />{{rh|2|CARMEN SALIARE|30 B.}}</noinclude><small>''Prima littera ut e dittographia (antecedit haec) nata delenda est.'' ''Ad tertiam litteram cf. Vel. VII 51 K de z littera:'' mihi videtur nec aliena latino sermoni fuisse, cum inveniatur in carmine Saliari. ''Litteris'' zeul ''‘notionem solis subesse… consentiunt docti’ Maur.,'' ''qui'' O Zol ''scribit.'' Adoriso ''idem'' (= ''adorire, cf.'' {{Graeca|ἕπεο}}). verod (''e'' vō ad) ''perperam idem. Sequentia in'' Patulci ''Iani cognomen mutant'' ''edd.'' cosmis ''Maur.,'' es Sancus Ianis (''cf. Tert. Apol. 10'' Saturnus… exceptus ab Iano vel Iane, ut Salii volunt) duonus, Cerus es duonus Ianus ''idem'' (Cerus es ''iam Corssen''). ''Totam sententiam sic'' ''circumscribit Maur.:'' O Sol (qui) ad omnia vadis (surgis), re vera comis Patulci: es bonus Sancus Ianius, es bonus Cerus, (es) Ianus. ''Porro syllabae'' ve vet ''e'' vel ''particula corruptae videntur eidem, qua'' ''particula Varro alterum litterae'' s ''pro'' r ''pronuntiatae exemplum'' ''priori addat. Restituit autem sequentia sic:'' potissimum (''cf. Festus'' ''p. 205 M'' (''222 L'') ‘po’ pro ‘potissimum’ positum est in Saliari carmine) meliosum recum (= regum, ''cf. Paul p. 203 M'' (''223 L'') C pro G frequenter ponebant antiqui). </small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|4}}''Paulus p. 122 M'' (''109, 6 L'') in carmine Sal. Cerus manus intellegitur creator bonus. — ''Fest. p.146 M'' (''132 L'') Manuos (manues ''Paulus'') in carminibus Sal. Aelius Stilo (''fr. 1 Fun.'') significare ait bonos. — ''ib. p. 205 M'' (''222 L'')'':'' : (1) Praeceptat in Sal. carmine est saepe praecipit (''28'' M.). : (2) pa pro parte et po pro potissimum positum est in Sal. carmine (''v. supra ad fr. 3'') (21 M.). : (3) promenervat item pro monet (29 M.). : (4) praedotiont (praepotiont ''Maur.'') praeoptant (''30'' M.). : (5) prospices prospice (''31'' M.). : (6) pesnis pennis, ut Casmenas dicebant pro Camenis et caesnas pro caenis (''22'' M.). : (7) polteo pro ulteriore (''23'' M., ''qui dubitanter'' poltero ''proponit''). : (8) polet pollet, quia nondum geminabant antiqui consonantes (''32'' M.). : (9) plisima plurima (''26'' M. ''cf.fr. 10''). : (10) pretet tremonti †praetemunt pe (''6'' M., ''v. ad fr. 2, 1''). : (11) perfines perfringas (''33'' M.). : (12) promeriom praecipuum, praeter ceteros meritum aut promedium, hoc est †participat, aut pro indiviso dicimus (''24'' M.).</small><noinclude></noinclude> 0t5js6ftuuu9dbt2c6ytglb45i2p1n2 276971 276970 2026-08-22T18:56:20Z SZC 03 22335 276971 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="SZC 03" />{{rh|2|CARMEN SALIARE|30 B.}}</noinclude><small>''Prima littera ut e dittographia (antecedit haec) nata delenda est.'' ''Ad tertiam litteram cf. Vel. VII 51 K de z littera:'' mihi videtur nec aliena latino sermoni fuisse, cum inveniatur in carmine Saliari. ''Litteris'' zeul ''‘notionem solis subesse… consentiunt docti’ Maur.,'' ''qui'' O Zol ''scribit.'' Adoriso ''idem'' (= ''adorire, cf.'' {{Graeca|ἕπεο}}). verod (''e'' vō ad) ''perperam idem. Sequentia in'' Patulci ''Iani cognomen mutant'' ''edd.'' cosmis ''Maur.,'' es Sancus Ianis (''cf. Tert. Apol. 10'' Saturnus… exceptus ab Iano vel Iane, ut Salii volunt) duonus, Cerus es duonus Ianus ''idem'' (Cerus es ''iam Corssen''). ''Totam sententiam sic'' ''circumscribit Maur.:'' O Sol (qui) ad omnia vadis (surgis), re vera comis Patulci: es bonus Sancus Ianius, es bonus Cerus, (es) Ianus. ''Porro syllabae'' ve vet ''e'' vel ''particula corruptae videntur eidem, qua'' ''particula Varro alterum litterae'' s ''pro'' r ''pronuntiatae exemplum'' ''priori addat. Restituit autem sequentia sic:'' potissimum (''cf. Festus'' ''p. 205 M'' (''222 L'') ‘po’ pro ‘potissimum’ positum est in Saliari carmine) meliosum recum (= regum, ''cf. Paul p. 203 M'' (''223 L'') C pro G frequenter ponebant antiqui). </small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|4}}''Paulus p. 122 M'' (''109, 6 L'') in carmine Sal. Cerus manus intellegitur creator bonus. — ''Fest. p.146 M'' (''132 L'') Manuos (manues ''Paulus'') in carminibus Sal. Aelius Stilo (''fr. 1 Fun.'') significare ait bonos. — ''ib. p. 205 M'' (''222 L'')'':'' : (1) Praeceptat in Sal. carmine est saepe praecipit (''28'' M.). : (2) pa pro parte et po pro potissimum positum est in Sal. carmine (''v. supra ad fr. 3'') (21 M.). : (3) promenervat item pro monet (29 M.). : (4) praedotiont (praepotiont ''Maur.'') praeoptant (''30'' M.). : (5) prospices prospice (''31'' M.). : (6) pesnis pennis, ut Casmenas dicebant pro Camenis et caesnas pro caenis (''22'' M.). : (7) polteo pro ulteriore (''23'' M., ''qui dubitanter'' poltero ''proponit''). : (8) polet pollet, quia nondum geminabant antiqui consonantes (''32'' M.). : (9) plisima plurima (''26'' M. ''cf.fr. 10''). : (10) pretet tremonti †praetemunt pe (''6'' M., ''v. ad fr. 2, 1''). : (11) perfines perfringas (''33'' M.). : (12) promeriom praecipuum, praeter ceteros meritum aut promedium, hoc est †participat, aut pro indiviso dicimus (''24'' M.).<noinclude><!--nop--> </small></noinclude> 9nqiq1fknk1tweqt29zktwtyr642kox 104 85236 276972 2026-08-22T19:01:42Z SZC 03 22335 /* Nondum emendata */ Paginam instituit, scribens ': (13) priviclois privis id est singulis (''25'' M.). : (14) petilam suram seceam (siccam ''edd.'') et substrictam vulgo interpretatur. Scaevola (''fr. 6 Fun.'') ait ungulam albam equi ita dici {10 M.). : (15) pilumnoe poploe in carmine Sal. Romani velut pilis uti assueti; vel qui praecipue pellant hostis (''19'' M.). </small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|5}}Festus p. 210 M {230 L) Pescia in Sal. carmine Aelius Stilo 5 {fr. 3 Fun.) ait capi... 276972 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="SZC 03" />{{rh|31 B.|CARMEN SALIARE|3}} <small></noinclude>: (13) priviclois privis id est singulis (''25'' M.). : (14) petilam suram seceam (siccam ''edd.'') et substrictam vulgo interpretatur. Scaevola (''fr. 6 Fun.'') ait ungulam albam equi ita dici {10 M.). : (15) pilumnoe poploe in carmine Sal. Romani velut pilis uti assueti; vel qui praecipue pellant hostis (''19'' M.). </small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|5}}Festus p. 210 M {230 L) Pescia in Sal. carmine Aelius Stilo 5 {fr. 3 Fun.) ait capitia ex pellibus agninis facta, quod Graeci (9 M.) pelles vocent neaxrj neutro genere pluraliter.</small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|6}}Paulus p. 211 M {231 L) Pennatas impennatasque agnas in 6 Sal. carmine spicas significat cum aristis et alias sine aristis: agnas (13M.) novas voluit intellegi.</small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|7}}Festus p. 325 M’ {432 L) s. v. Saturnus: qui deus in Saliaribus 7 Saeturnus {sic Ritschl coll. C 1 L I2 449, Saturnus cod., Sateurnus (11M.) cum Paulo Lindsay).</small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|8}}Varro ling. 5, 110 insicia ab eo, quod insecta caro, ut in car- mine Saliorum est, quod in extis dicitur nunc prosectum.</small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|9}}Schol. Aen. 2, 166 (p. 248, 26 Th.) quidam pontifices a ponte sublicio, qui primus Tybri impositus est, appellatos tradunt, sicut Saliorum carmina loquuntur. </small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|10}}Varro ling. 7, 26 post fr. 3 et vacuum in cod. spatium : foedesum 10 foederum, plusima {cf. fr. 4, 9) plurima, meliosem meliorem, ase- nam arenam, ianitos ianitor. Hoc ultimum ex errore Varronis na- turn, v. Maur. p. 336. 4 M.) </small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|11}}Festus p. 141 M (124 L) s. v. Molucrum: Cloatius {fr. 11 Fun.) . . . in libris sacrorum: Molucrum esse aiunt ligneum quoddam quadratum, ubi immolabatur. Idem Aelius {fr. 2 Fun.) in ex¬ planation carminum Sal. eodem nomine appellari ait, quod sub mola supponatur. </small> {{rule|8em}} {{nop}}<noinclude>{{right|1*{{gap|8em}}}}</noinclude> td8kuslctkwf8e04cmgpgzi61d2vixa 276994 276972 2026-08-22T21:17:55Z SZC 03 22335 276994 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="SZC 03" />{{rh|31 B.|CARMEN SALIARE|3}} <small></noinclude>: (''13'') priviclois privis id est singulis (''25'' M.). : (''14'') petilam suram seceam (siccam ''edd.'') et substrictam vulgo interpretatur. Scaevola (''fr. 6 Fun.'') ait ungulam albam equi ita dici (''10'' M.). : (''15'') pilumnoe poploe in carmine Sal. Romani velut pilis uti assueti; vel qui praecipue pellant hostis (''19'' M.). </small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|5}}Festus p. 210 M {230 L) Pescia in Sal. carmine Aelius Stilo (fr. 3 Fun.) ait capitia ex pellibus agninis facta, quod Graeci pelles vocent neaxrj neutro genere pluraliter.</small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|6}}Paulus p. 211 M (231 L) Pennatas impennatasque agnas in Sal. carmine spicas significat cum aristis et alias sine aristis: agnas novas voluit intellegi.</small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|7}}Festus p. 325 M (432 L) s. v. Saturnus: qui deus in Saliaribus Saeturnus {sic Ritschl coll. C 1 L I2 449, Saturnus cod., Sateurnus cum Paulo Lindsay).</small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|8}}Varro ling. 5, 110 insicia ab eo, quod insecta caro, ut in carmine Saliorum est, quod in extis dicitur nunc prosectum.</small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|9}}Schol. Aen. 2, 166 (p. 248, 26 Th.) quidam pontifices a ponte sublicio, qui primus Tybri impositus est, appellatos tradunt, sicut Saliorum carmina loquuntur. </small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|10}}Varro ling. 7, 26 post fr. 3 et vacuum in cod. spatium : foedesum foederum, plusima {cf. fr. 4, 9) plurima, meliosem meliorem, asenam arenam, ianitos ianitor. Hoc ultimum ex errore Varronis natum, v. Maur. p. 336. 4 M.) </small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|11}}''Festus p. 141 M'' (''124 L'') ''s. v. Molucrum:'' Cloatius (''fr. 11 Fun.'') . . . in libris sacrorum: Molucrum esse aiunt ligneum quoddam quadratum, ubi immolabatur. Idem Aelius {fr. 2 Fun.) in explanation carminum Sal. eodem nomine appellari ait, quod sub mola supponatur. </small> {{rule|8em}} {{nop}}<noinclude>{{right|1*{{gap|8em}}}}</noinclude> t9uehyrooxyljh0tv5e2nn4bhfgfcv6 102 85237 276974 2026-08-22T19:09:45Z SZC 03 22335 Paginam instituit, scribens '{{scriptor|IndicisNomen=Morel, Villelmus}}' 276974 wikitext text/x-wiki {{scriptor|IndicisNomen=Morel, Villelmus}} 78wm4ayqvsqixmmpr9t74mchwsucppp 277015 276974 2026-08-22T22:14:38Z SZC 03 22335 277015 wikitext text/x-wiki {{scriptor|IndicisNomen=Morel, Villelmus|Natio=Germania}} == Opera recensita == * [[Liber:Fragmenta Poetarum Latinorum Epicorum et Lyricorum (ed. 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''capedines) vasa fretiva (h. e. fictilia) saliorum. ''Cf. Goetz VI p. 176 s. v. Capedo.''</small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|13}}''Paulas p. 3 M. L.'' Axamenta dicebantur carmina Saliaria, quae a Saliis sacerdotibus componebantur, in universos homines (deos ''C. O. Mue. verisimiliter'') composita. Nam in deos singulos versus ficti a nominibus eorum appellabantur, ut Ianuli, Iunonii, Min... 276995 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="SZC 03" />{{Rh|4|CARMEN SALIARE|33 B.}}</noinclude><small>{{R|12}}''C G L IV 28, 2'' cardens (''h. e. ''capedines) vasa fretiva (h. e. fictilia) saliorum. ''Cf. Goetz VI p. 176 s. v. Capedo.''</small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|13}}''Paulas p. 3 M. L.'' Axamenta dicebantur carmina Saliaria, quae a Saliis sacerdotibus componebantur, in universos homines (deos ''C. O. Mue. verisimiliter'') composita. Nam in deos singulos versus ficti a nominibus eorum appellabantur, ut Ianuli, Iunonii, Minervii. </small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|14}}''Non. p. 40, 12 M'' (''58 L'') Tintinnire… sonare… Nigidius lib; XVIII (''fr. 5 Fun.''): itaque aere in Saliaribus †adtanus tintinat, id est sonat. aere in Sal. ''Scal.:'' ex re in insal. ''Cf. Plin. nat. 37,154'' aeris tinnitum. Albanus ''coni. Lipsius, de monte intellegit Maur.''</small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|15}}''Varro ling. 7, 49'' Salii quod cantant ‘mamuri ''v''eturi’ significant memoriam veterem. ''Paulus p. 131 M (117 L) s.v.'' Mamuri Veturi (''de ancilium fabricatione'')'':'' Probatum opus est maxime Mamuri Veturi, qui praemii loco petiit ut suum nomen inter carmina Salii canerent. ''V. Maur. 339, qui Martis cognomina'' ''vocativo casu posita interpretatur.''</small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|16}}''Varro ling. 9, 61'' videmus…. Luciam Volaminiam Saliorum carminibus appellari. Volumnam ''Zander,'' Volumniam ''Wissocωa'' ''Rel. u. Kultus² p. 558, 5.''</small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|17}}''Festus p. 360 M'' (''494 L'') Tame in carmine <Saliari ''add. Scal.''> positum est pro tarn. ''Cf. p. 359'' (''429'') Tanne eo usque, ut Aelius Stilo (''fr. 38 Fun.'') et Opillus Aurelius (''fr. 19 Fun.'') interpretantur. Nam hi duo viri carmen Saliare interpretati sunt. </small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|18}} ''Festus p. 290 M'' (''370 L'') <So> nivio significat in car<min . . . ''20 fere litt.'' . . .a>ugurali, sonanti.&emsp;Cf. Paulus: Sonivio sonanti, car<mine Saliari . . . ''Urs., cetera incertiora.''</small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|19}}. <S. . . . in Salia>ri carmine ap<pella . . . .>e sopia pro sedilibus di<. . . ad> huc in consuetudine. Saliari ''suppl. C. O. Mue., cetera'' ''nimis incerta.'' </small> {{rule|8em}} {{nop}}<noinclude></noinclude> ezxsic7c6sricgxs2efpdpceazfjqa2 104 85245 276999 2026-08-22T21:29:27Z SZC 03 22335 /* Nondum emendata */ Paginam instituit, scribens '<section begin=s1/><small>{{R|20}}''Varro ling. 6, 14'' In libris Saliorum, quorum cognomen Agonensium forsitan hic dies (''sc. Liberalium'') appellatur potius Agonia.</small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|21}}''Festus p. 270 M'' (''343 L'') Redantruare dicitur in Saliorum exultationibus, cum praesul amptruavit, quod est motus edidit, ei (inc. referuntur invicem idem motus.</small> {{rule|8em}}<section end=s1/> <section begin=s2/> {{ct|ALII... 276999 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="SZC 03" />{{rh|33,36 B.|ALII VERSUS SACRORUM|5}}</noinclude><section begin=s1/><small>{{R|20}}''Varro ling. 6, 14'' In libris Saliorum, quorum cognomen Agonensium forsitan hic dies (''sc. Liberalium'') appellatur potius Agonia.</small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|21}}''Festus p. 270 M'' (''343 L'') Redantruare dicitur in Saliorum exultationibus, cum praesul amptruavit, quod est motus edidit, ei (inc. referuntur invicem idem motus.</small> {{rule|8em}}<section end=s1/> <section begin=s2/> {{ct|ALII VERSUS SACRORUM}} {{ct|Flamen, sume samentum}} <small>{{r|1}}''Fronto p. 67 N.'' (''de Anagniae sacris antiquis loculus'') Deinde in porta cum eximus ibi scriptum erat bifariam sic: f. s. s. Rogavi aliquem ex popularibus, quid illud verbum esset. Ait lingua Hernica pelliculam de hostia, quam in apicem suum flamen cum in urbem introeat, inponit. ''De voce samentum = sagmen v. Bue.'' ''Rh. Mus. 37, 516. Fort, membrum prius Saturnii, v. Leo p. 31, 2.''</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{R|2}}Adesto Tiberine, cum tuis undis</poem> <small>''Serv. Aen. 8, 72'' (tuque o Thybri tuo genitor cum flumine sancto) sic enim invocatur in precibus ‘adesto — undis’. ''Cf. etiam ad'' ''8, 63'' (Tiberinus) in sacris etiam Serra dicebatur ''et 8, 31'' nam in sacris Tiberinus . . . vocatur. ''Leo p. 39.''</small> </small> {{rule|8em}}<section end=s2/> <section begin=s3/> {{ct|APPII CLAUDII SENTENTIAE}} {{ct|(''Leo, Gesch. d. roem. Lit. p. 43.'')}} <poem>. . . <ae>qui{{gap|4em}}animi compotem esse,{{r|1}} ne quid fraudis stupriqud{{gap|4em}}ferocia pariat.</poem> <small>''Festus p. 317 M'' (''418 L'') Stuprum pro turpitudine . . . in Appii sententiis: aequi — pariat. qui ''cod., suppl. Bhr. V. Leo, Sat.'' ''Vers 52, 1.'' </small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{R|2}}amieum cum vides,{{gap|4em}}obliscere miserias. inimicus si es commentus{{gap|4em}}nec libens aeque.</poem> <small>''Prisc. I 384 H. de participiis passivis deponentium agens:'' Appius Caecus ‘amicum — aeque’. commentus oeooqpicrpevoi. 1 ''sic'' </small><section end=s3/><noinclude><!--nop--></noinclude> cvw274st13zmoo26fcxz1cpzipyhci8 277001 276999 2026-08-22T21:35:26Z SZC 03 22335 277001 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="SZC 03" />{{rh|33,36 B.|ALII VERSUS SACRORUM|5}}</noinclude><section begin=s1/><small>{{R|20}}''Varro ling. 6, 14'' In libris Saliorum, quorum cognomen Agonensium forsitan hic dies (''sc. Liberalium'') appellatur potius Agonia.</small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|21}}''Festus p. 270 M'' (''343 L'') Redantruare dicitur in Saliorum exultationibus, cum praesul amptruavit, quod est motus edidit, ei (inc. referuntur invicem idem motus.</small> {{rule|8em}}<section end=s1/> {{ct|ALII VERSUS SACRORUM}} <section begin=s2/><poem>Flamen, sume samentum</poem> <small>{{r|1}}''Fronto p. 67 N.'' (''de Anagniae sacris antiquis loculus'') Deinde in porta cum eximus ibi scriptum erat bifariam sic: f. s. s. Rogavi aliquem ex popularibus, quid illud verbum esset. Ait lingua Hernica pelliculam de hostia, quam in apicem suum flamen cum in urbem introeat, inponit. ''De voce samentum = sagmen v. Bue.'' ''Rh. Mus. 37, 516. Fort, membrum prius Saturnii, v. Leo p. 31, 2.''</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{R|2}}Adesto Tiberine,{{gap|4em}}cum tuis undis</poem> <small>''Serv. Aen. 8, 72'' (tuque o Thybri tuo genitor cum flumine sancto) sic enim invocatur in precibus ‘adesto — undis’. ''Cf. etiam ad'' ''8, 63'' (Tiberinus) in sacris etiam Serra dicebatur ''et 8, 31'' nam in sacris Tiberinus . . . vocatur. ''Leo p. 39.''</small> {{rule|8em}}<section end=s2/> {{ct|APPII CLAUDII SENTENTIAE}} {{ct|(''Leo, Gesch. d. roem. Lit. p. 43.'')}} <section begin=s3/><poem>. . . <ae>qui{{gap|4em}}animi compotem esse,{{r|1}} ne quid fraudis stupriqud{{gap|4em}}ferocia pariat.</poem> <small>''Festus p. 317 M'' (''418 L'') Stuprum pro turpitudine . . . in Appii sententiis: aequi — pariat. qui ''cod., suppl. Bhr. V. Leo, Sat.'' ''Vers 52, 1.'' </small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{R|2}}amieum cum vides,{{gap|4em}}obliscere miserias. inimicus si es commentus{{gap|4em}}nec libens aeque.</poem> <small>''Prisc. I 384 H. de participiis passivis deponentium agens:'' Appius Caecus ‘amicum — aeque’. commentus oeooqpicrpevoi. 1 ''sic'' </small><section end=s3/><noinclude><!--nop--></noinclude> 7ainsa5uick7vd2r5jl5jvf90dbssyh 277013 277001 2026-08-22T22:04:31Z SZC 03 22335 277013 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="SZC 03" />{{rh|33,36 B.|ALII VERSUS SACRORUM|5}}</noinclude><section begin=s1/><small>{{R|20}}''Varro ling. 6, 14'' In libris Saliorum, quorum cognomen Agonensium forsitan hic dies (''sc. Liberalium'') appellatur potius Agonia.</small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|21}}''Festus p. 270 M'' (''343 L'') Redantruare dicitur in Saliorum exultationibus, cum praesul amptruavit, quod est motus edidit, ei (inc. referuntur invicem idem motus.</small> {{rule|8em}}<section end=s1/> {{ct|ALII VERSUS SACRORUM}} <section begin=s2/><poem>Flamen, sume samentum</poem> <small>{{r|1}}''Fronto p. 67 N.'' (''de Anagniae sacris antiquis loculus'') Deinde in porta cum eximus ibi scriptum erat bifariam sic: f. s. s. Rogavi aliquem ex popularibus, quid illud verbum esset. Ait lingua Hernica pelliculam de hostia, quam in apicem suum flamen cum in urbem introeat, inponit. ''De voce samentum = sagmen v. Bue.'' ''Rh. Mus. 37, 516. Fort, membrum prius Saturnii, v. Leo p. 31, 2.''</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{R|2}}Adesto Tiberine,{{gap|4em}}cum tuis undis</poem> <small>''Serv. Aen. 8, 72'' (tuque o Thybri tuo genitor cum flumine sancto) sic enim invocatur in precibus ‘adesto — undis’. ''Cf. etiam ad'' ''8, 63'' (Tiberinus) in sacris etiam Serra dicebatur ''et 8, 31'' nam in sacris Tiberinus . . . vocatur. ''Leo p. 39.''</small> {{rule|8em}}<section end=s2/> {{ct|APPII CLAUDII SENTENTIAE}} {{ct|(''Leo, Gesch. d. roem. Lit. p. 43.'')}} <section begin=s3/><poem>. . . <ae>qui{{gap|4em}}animi compotem esse,{{r|1}} ne quid fraudis stuprique{{gap|4em}}ferocia pariat.</poem> <small>''Festus p. 317 M'' (''418 L'') Stuprum pro turpitudine . . . in Appii sententiis: aequi — pariat. qui ''cod., suppl. Bhr. V. Leo, Sat.'' ''Vers 52, 1.'' </small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{R|2}}amicum cum vides,{{gap|4em}}obliscere miserias. inimicus si es commentus{{gap|4em}}nec libens aeque.</poem> <small>''Prisc. I 384 H. de participiis passivis deponentium agens:'' Appius Caecus ‘amicum — aeque’. commentus oeooqpicrpevoi. 1 ''sic'' </small><section end=s3/><noinclude><!--nop--></noinclude> q85ilcqn17fyrhqrka9mvm3u4bxwfi9 0 85246 277002 2026-08-22T21:37:20Z SZC 03 22335 Paginam instituit, scribens '{{titulus |Scriptor= |OperaeTitulus=Alii versus sacrorum |Annus=saeculo VIII a.C.n. |Liber=Fragmenta Poetarum Latinorum Epicorum et Lyricorum (ed. Morel).djvu |Editio=ex ''Fragmenta poetarum Latinorum epicorum et lyricorum'', Stutgardae, in aedibus Teubnerii, 1943 |Recensor=Villelmus Morel |Genera=Carmina }} <pages index="Fragmenta Poetarum Latinorum Epicorum et Lyricorum (ed. Morel).djvu" include=15 onlysection=s2/>' 277002 wikitext text/x-wiki {{titulus |Scriptor= |OperaeTitulus=Alii versus sacrorum |Annus=saeculo VIII a.C.n. |Liber=Fragmenta Poetarum Latinorum Epicorum et Lyricorum (ed. Morel).djvu |Editio=ex ''Fragmenta poetarum Latinorum epicorum et lyricorum'', Stutgardae, in aedibus Teubnerii, 1943 |Recensor=Villelmus Morel |Genera=Carmina }} <pages index="Fragmenta Poetarum Latinorum Epicorum et Lyricorum (ed. Morel).djvu" include=15 onlysection=s2/> i2owgy0owysr09dlvmcz97zbx4zvx52 104 85247 277003 2026-08-22T21:50:56Z SZC 03 22335 /* Nondum emendata */ Paginam instituit, scribens '<section begin=s1/>''Fleckeisen:'' obliviscere. 2 sies ''cum'' H ''Hertz. Philemonis fr. 108 K.'' {{Graeca|οὕτως, ὅταν τις τυγχάνῃ λυπούμενος, ἧττον ὀδυνᾶται, φίλον ἐὰν παρόντ’ ἰδῃ}} ''contulit Marx, Arist. Eth. Nic. IX 11 p. 1171 a 35 et Eur.'' ''Or. 727 Leo. De sensu alterius versus non constat.''</small> {{rule|8em}} <small>[''Sall.''] ''ad Caes. sen. de rep. 1, 1, 2,'' in carminibus...' 277003 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="SZC 03" />{{rh|6|MARCIUS VATES|36 B.}} <small></noinclude><section begin=s1/>''Fleckeisen:'' obliviscere. 2 sies ''cum'' H ''Hertz. Philemonis fr. 108 K.'' {{Graeca|οὕτως, ὅταν τις τυγχάνῃ λυπούμενος, ἧττον ὀδυνᾶται, φίλον ἐὰν παρόντ’ ἰδῃ}} ''contulit Marx, Arist. Eth. Nic. IX 11 p. 1171 a 35 et Eur.'' ''Or. 727 Leo. De sensu alterius versus non constat.''</small> {{rule|8em}} <small>[''Sall.''] ''ad Caes. sen. de rep. 1, 1, 2,'' in carminibus Appius ait fabrum esse suae quemque fortunae. ''Versum sic rest. Leo p. 66, 3:'' <escit> suas quisque{{gap|2em}}faber fortunas. ''Et hanc sententiam e'' ''Philemone haustam esse probavit Marx coll. Plaut. Trin. 363'' sapiens . . . ipsus fingit fortunam sibi.</small> {{rule|8em}} <section end=s1/> {{ct|CN. MARCII VATIS PRAECEPTA}} <section begin=s2/><poem>{{r|1}}postremus dicas, primus taceas.</poem> <small>''Isid. orig. 6, 8, 12'' apud Latinos Marcius vates primus praecepta composuit, ex quibus est illud: postr. — tac. ''Leo p. 31 et'' ''79, 1.'' </small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{r|2}}Ne ningulus mederi{{gap|4em}}queat . . .</poem> <small>''Paulus p. 176 M'' (''185 L'') Ningulus nullus. Marcius vates: Ne — queat. ''Leo p. 54, 2.''</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{r|3}}quamvis noventium{{gap|4em}}duonum negumate</poem> <small>''Festus p. 165 M'' (''162 L'') Negumate in carmine Cn. Marci vatis significat negate, cum ait: quamv. — neg. noventium (= ''nuntium, v. Walde² s. v. nuntius'') ''Bue., Kl. Schr. 1 415:'' moventium. ''Leo p. 49, 2. ''</small> {{rule|8em}} <section end=s2/> {{ct|INCERTI SENTENTIA }} <section begin=s3/><poem>religentem esse oportet,{{gap|4em}}religiosus ne fuas.</poem> <small>''Gell. 2, 9, 1'' Nigidius Figulus . . . in undecimo commentariorum grammaticorum (''fr. 4 Fun.'') versum ex antiquo carmine refert . . . ‘rel. — fuas’, cuius autem id carmen sit non scribit . . . religiosus is appellabatur, qui nimia et superstitiosa religione sese alligaverat, eaque res vitio assignabatur. ''Tetrametrum troch.'' ''effecerunt Fleckeisen'' <ted> ''esse et Ribbeck Trag³ p. 297'' esse <ted> ''scribentes, sed cf. Leo p. 39. 6; 59.'' ne fuas ''Fleckeisen:'' nefas.</small> {{rule|8em}} <section end=s3/> {{nop}}<noinclude></noinclude> qiurv2vieipjybhucbdhfrx5hbaady8 277012 277003 2026-08-22T22:02:12Z SZC 03 22335 277012 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="SZC 03" />{{rh|6|MARCIUS VATES|36 B.}} <small></noinclude><section begin=s1/>''Fleckeisen:'' obliviscere. 2 sies ''cum'' H ''Hertz. Philemonis fr. 108 K.'' {{Graeca|οὕτως, ὅταν τις τυγχάνῃ λυπούμενος, ἧττον ὀδυνᾶται, φίλον ἐὰν παρόντ’ ἰδῃ}} ''contulit Marx, Arist. Eth. Nic. IX 11 p. 1171 a 35 et Eur.'' ''Or. 727 Leo. De sensu alterius versus non constat.''</small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{R|3}}[''Sall.''] ''ad Caes. sen. de rep. 1, 1, 2,'' in carminibus Appius ait fabrum esse suae quemque fortunae. ''Versum sic rest. Leo p. 66, 3:'' <escit> suas quisque{{gap|2em}}faber fortunas. ''Et hanc sententiam e'' ''Philemone haustam esse probavit Marx coll. Plaut. Trin. 363'' sapiens . . . ipsus fingit fortunam sibi.</small> {{rule|8em}}<section end=s1/> {{ct|CN. MARCII VATIS PRAECEPTA}} <section begin=s2/><poem>{{r|1}}postremus dicas, primus taceas.</poem> <small>''Isid. orig. 6, 8, 12'' apud Latinos Marcius vates primus praecepta composuit, ex quibus est illud: postr. — tac. ''Leo p. 31 et'' ''79, 1.'' </small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{r|2}}Ne ningulus mederi{{gap|4em}}queat . . .</poem> <small>''Paulus p. 176 M'' (''185 L'') Ningulus nullus. Marcius vates: Ne — queat. ''Leo p. 54, 2.''</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{r|3}}quamvis noventium{{gap|4em}}duonum negumate</poem> <small>''Festus p. 165 M'' (''162 L'') Negumate in carmine Cn. Marci vatis significat negate, cum ait: quamv. — neg. noventium (= ''nuntium, v. Walde² s. v. nuntius'') ''Bue., Kl. Schr. 1 415:'' moventium. ''Leo p. 49, 2. ''</small> {{rule|8em}}<section end=s2/> {{ct|INCERTI SENTENTIA}} <section begin=s3/><poem>religentem esse oportet,{{gap|4em}}religiosus ne fuas.</poem> <small>''Gell. 2, 9, 1'' Nigidius Figulus . . . in undecimo commentariorum grammaticorum (''fr. 4 Fun.'') versum ex antiquo carmine refert . . . ‘rel. — fuas’, cuius autem id carmen sit non scribit . . . religiosus is appellabatur, qui nimia et superstitiosa religione sese alligaverat, eaque res vitio assignabatur. ''Tetrametrum troch.'' ''effecerunt Fleckeisen'' <ted> ''esse et Ribbeck Trag³ p. 297'' esse <ted> ''scribentes, sed cf. 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Sequitur fructus pruni equini magnitudine, figura renis ovilli, in {{s}}uperficie glaber, cuticula lutea: {{et}} interius carnem luteam habens, odoris ut {{s}}apo Hi{{s}}panicus. Carni autem involuti duo lapides figur{{ae}} ellyptic{{ae}}, compre{{s}}{{s}}i, duri. Fructus non comeditur. [[File:Historia naturalis Brasiliae 260 (cropped).jpg|center|500px]] Anno 1642. florebat {{et}} fructus habebat {{sc|xxi}}. Februarii. {{sc|Gviti ib... 277005 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="EnaldoSS" />{{rh||{{sc|Histor. Plantarvm Lib. III.}}|115}}</noinclude>dorus. Sequitur fructus pruni equini magnitudine, figura renis ovilli, in {{s}}uperficie glaber, cuticula lutea: {{et}} interius carnem luteam habens, odoris ut {{s}}apo Hi{{s}}panicus. Carni autem involuti duo lapides figur{{ae}} ellyptic{{ae}}, compre{{s}}{{s}}i, duri. Fructus non comeditur. [[File:Historia naturalis Brasiliae 260 (cropped).jpg|center|500px]] Anno 1642. florebat {{et}} fructus habebat {{sc|xxi}}. Februarii. {{sc|Gviti iba}} cujus fructus Bra{{s}}ilien{{s}}ibus {{s}}impliciter dicitur ''Guitî'' vel Guiti-mirî. Arbor Tili{{ae}} magnitudine, {{s}}ed caudice non ita cra{{s}}{{s}}o: Folia fert lingu{{ae}} figura, circiter quinque digitos longa, {{s}}e{{s}}quidigitum lata, l{{ae}}te viridia, {{s}}plendentia ut pyri no{{s}}tratis, inferius alba lanugine obducta (qu{{ae}} digitis ab{{s}}tergi pote{{s}}t; juniora tota lanugine obducta flave{{s}}cunt) alternatim po{{s}}ita in ramulis: {{et}} ad quemlibet pediculum brevem foliorum uvula progerminat una vel du{{ae}} aut tres junct{{ae}}, ve{{s}}tit{{ae}} globulis parvis albicantibus, qui {{s}}e aperientes produnt flo{{s}}culos albos, {{s}}ex parvulis foliolis con{{s}}tantes, in medio multa {{s}}taminula alba cum apicibus pallidis, in{{s}}tar {{s}}coparum {{s}}etacearum {{s}}tant erecta. Fructum fert ellyptic{{ae}} figur{{ae}}, magnitudine ovi gallinacei, interdum {{et}} majorem, initio viridem, ubi maturuit flavum exterius, citrina cuticula tenui, qu{{ae}} facile {{s}}eparatur, tectum. Pulpa eju{{s}}dem coloris, mollis ut pirum emollitum, e{{s}}tque filamento{{s}}a ob filamenta qu{{ae}} exterius lapidi fructus adh{{ae}}rent, qui magnus, ovalis, exterius ex albo flave{{s}}cens, villo{{s}}us, mediocriter durus, nec cra{{s}}{{s}}us, magnum nucleum ex flavo incarnati coloris continens, ficcum, amaricantis {{s}}aporis: Caro autem fructus intus pauca, dulcis {{s}}aporis, {{et}} qua{{s}}i mu{{s}}cus dulcedini admixtus e{{s}}{{s}}et. 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Tusc. 1, 7, 13''): Hunc — virum. hunc unum ''Madvig priore'' (unicum ''codd.''), ''Ernesti posteriore'' (uno cum ''codd.'') ''loco restituit. Cf. Scipionis elogium C L E 6'' Honc oino ploirume ''e. q. s. V. Leo p. 46, 4. Censor erat Atilius a. 247. Klebs'' ''RE II 2079.'' {{rule|8em}}<section end=s1/> {{ct|LIVIUS ANDRONICUS}} {{ct|ODYSSIA}} <section begin=s2/>{{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber I}} (α)}} <poem>Virum mihi, Camena,{{gap|4em}}insece versutum.{{r|1}}</poem> <small>''Gell. 18, 9. 5'' insece scriptum sine u littera. Offendi enim in bibliotheca Patrensi librum verae (mirae ''Canter'') vetustatis Livii Andronici, qui inscriptus est {{graeca|Ὀδύσσεια}}, in quo erat versus primus cum hoc verbo sine u littera: vir. — vers, factus ex illo Homeri versu (α ''1'') <{{Graeca|ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε Μοῦσα πολύτροπον}} ''add. Canter''>. ''Leo p. 19.''</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>Pater noster, Saturni{{gap|4em}}filie . . .{{r|2}}</poem> <small>''Prisc. I 305 H.'' o filie . . . . Livius Andr. in Odissia: Paterfilie. rex summe ''add. Bhr. Cf. α 45'' (= ''81'') {{Graeca|ὦ πάτερ ἡμέτερε Κρονίδη, ὕπατε κρειόντων}}.</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>Mea puera, quid verbi{{gap|4em}}ex tuo ore supera fugit?{{r|3}}</poem> <small>''Ib. 231'' puera dicebant antiquissimi . . . . Livius in Odyssia: Mea — fugit. ''Char. 106 B'' (''84 K'') puer et in fern, sexu antiqui dicebant, ut Graeci {{Graeca|ὁ παῖς καὶ ἡ παῖς,}} ut in Odyssia vetere, quod est vetustissimum carmen: mea puer, quid verbi ex tuo ore audio? ''Prisciani'' puera ''ob metrum praefert Leo p. 43 lectioni Charisianae'' ''ceteroquin aeque bonae.'' supera ''Fleckeisen:'' supra. ''Charisii'' audio<section end=s2/><noinclude><!--nop--> </small></noinclude> nzqs3vkgs1lcwe8w6s4mu4oeoxvplws 277056 277055 2026-08-23T08:16:09Z SZC 03 22335 277056 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="SZC 03" />{{rh|37 B.|LIVIUS ANDRONICUS|7}}</noinclude>{{ct|A. ATILII CALATINI ELOGIUM}} <section begin=s1/><poem>hunc unum plurimae{{gap|4em}}consentiunt gentes populi primarium{{gap|4em}}fuisse virum.</poem> <small>''Cic. Cato 17, 61'' quanta in A. Atilio Calatino (''sc. auctoritas fuit'')! in quem illud elogium ‘hunc — virum’. notum est id totum carmen incisum in sepulcro. ''Idem fin. 2, 3 5,116'' non elogia monimentorum id significant ''(sc. mortuum voluptatibus studuisse),'' velut hoc ad portam (''sc. Capenam, v. Tusc. 1, 7, 13''): Hunc — virum. hunc unum ''Madvig priore'' (unicum ''codd.''), ''Ernesti posteriore'' (uno cum ''codd.'') ''loco restituit. Cf. Scipionis elogium C L E 6'' Honc oino ploirume ''e. q. s. V. Leo p. 46, 4. Censor erat Atilius a. 247. Klebs''</small> ''RE II 2079.'' {{rule|8em}}<section end=s1/> {{ct|LIVIUS ANDRONICUS}} {{ct|ODYSSIA}} <section begin=s2/>{{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber I}} (α)}} <poem>Virum mihi, Camena,{{gap|4em}}insece versutum.{{r|1}}</poem> <small>''Gell. 18, 9. 5'' insece scriptum sine u littera. Offendi enim in bibliotheca Patrensi librum verae (mirae ''Canter'') vetustatis Livii Andronici, qui inscriptus est {{graeca|Ὀδύσσεια}}, in quo erat versus primus cum hoc verbo sine u littera: vir. — vers, factus ex illo Homeri versu (α ''1'') <{{Graeca|ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε Μοῦσα πολύτροπον}} ''add. Canter''>. ''Leo p. 19.''</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>Pater noster, Saturni{{gap|4em}}filie . . .{{r|2}}</poem> <small>''Prisc. I 305 H.'' o filie . . . . Livius Andr. in Odissia: Paterfilie. rex summe ''add. Bhr. Cf. α 45'' (= ''81'') {{Graeca|ὦ πάτερ ἡμέτερε Κρονίδη, ὕπατε κρειόντων}}.</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>Mea puera, quid verbi{{gap|4em}}ex tuo ore supera fugit?{{r|3}}</poem> <small>''Ib. 231'' puera dicebant antiquissimi . . . . Livius in Odyssia: Mea — fugit. ''Char. 106 B'' (''84 K'') puer et in fern, sexu antiqui dicebant, ut Graeci {{Graeca|ὁ παῖς καὶ ἡ παῖς,}} ut in Odyssia vetere, quod est vetustissimum carmen: mea puer, quid verbi ex tuo ore audio? 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Morel).djvu |Editio=''Fragmenta poetarum Latinorum epicorum et lyricorum'', Stutgardae, in aedibus Teubnerii, 1943 |Recensor=Villelmus Morel |Genera=Carmina }} <pages index="Fragmenta Poetarum Latinorum Epicorum et Lyricorum (ed. Morel).djvu" from=17 to=25 fromsection=s2 tosection=s1/> p107wrd8sjgmo8bmbzpaomz04plq9bh 277072 277063 2026-08-23T09:09:38Z SZC 03 22335 277072 wikitext text/x-wiki {{titulus |Scriptor=Lucius Livius Andronicus |OperaeTitulus=Odyssia |Annus=saeculo III a.C.n. |Liber=Fragmenta Poetarum Latinorum Epicorum et Lyricorum (ed. Morel).djvu |Editio=''Fragmenta poetarum Latinorum epicorum et lyricorum'', Stutgardae, in aedibus Teubnerii, 1943 |Recensor=Villelmus Morel |Genera=Carmina }} <pages index="Fragmenta Poetarum Latinorum Epicorum et Lyricorum (ed. Morel).djvu" from=17 to=25 fromsection=s2 tosection=s1/> h823hzhnu7w3a71q6mr24z46tbqtrny 277096 277072 2026-08-23T11:22:03Z SZC 03 22335 277096 wikitext text/x-wiki {{titulus |Scriptor=Lucius Livius Andronicus |OperaeTitulus=Odyssia |Annus=saeculo III a.C.n. |Liber=Fragmenta Poetarum Latinorum Epicorum et Lyricorum (ed. Morel).djvu |Editio=''Fragmenta poetarum Latinorum epicorum et lyricorum'', Stutgardae, in aedibus Teubnerii, 1943 |Recensor=Villelmus Morel |Genera=Carmina epica }} <pages index="Fragmenta Poetarum Latinorum Epicorum et Lyricorum (ed. Morel).djvu" from=17 to=25 fromsection=s2 tosection=s1/> 414odys2mb724acagd1slg6nikmy0a3 104 85264 277064 2026-08-23T08:44:42Z SZC 03 22335 /* Proofread */ 277064 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="SZC 03" />{{rh|8|LIVIUS ANDRONICUS|38 B.}} <small> <!----></noinclude>''‘eine offenbare Trivialisierung’ Leo. De membris discribendis v.'' ''Thulin, Italische Sakrale Poesie und Prosa p. 28. cf. a 64'' {{Graeca|τέκνον ἐμόν, ποῖόν σε ἔπος φύγεν ἕρκος ὀδόντων;}}</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{r|4(5)}}argenteo polubro,{{gap|4em}}aureo eclutro.</poem> <small>''Non. p. 544, 20 M'' (''873 I.'') Polybrum, quod Graeci {{Graeca|χέρνιβα,}} nos trullium vocamus. Livius: arg. — ecl. et glutro ''codd. Cf. α 136'' {{Graeca|χέρνιβα δ’ ἀμφίπολος προχόῳ ἐπέχευε φέρουσα καλῇ χρυσείῃ ὑπὲρ ἀργυρέοιο λέβητος.}} ''v. Leo p. 16,5, qui ex gr. continuat'' <deae manus liquore{{gap|4em}}proluit aneilla>.</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{r|5(6)}}tuque mihi narrato{{gap|4em}}omnia disertim.</poem> <small>''Ib. p. 509, 20 M'' (''819 L'') Disertim . . . plane, palam . . . Livius: tuque — dis. ''Cf. α 169 et saepe'' {{Graeca|ἀλλʼ ἄγε μοι τόδε εἰπὲ καὶ ἀτρεκέως κατάλεξον.}}</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{r|6(7)}}quae haec daps est, qui festus{{gap|4em}}dies, . . . ?</poem> <small>''Prisc. I 321 H.'' haec daps . . . sed nominativus in usu frequenti non est, quem Livius Andr. in I Odissiae ponit: Quae — dies. ''Membra discripsit Thulin l. c. contra Leonem dies priori membro'' ''dantem. Cf. α 225'' {{Graeca|τίς δαίς, τίς δαὶ ὅμιλος ὅδʼ ἔπλετο;}} ''secundum'' ''membrum'' <quid tibi conducit> ''suppl. Leo p. 43 coll. Graec. versus'' ''clausula'' {{Graeca|τίττε δέ σε χρεώ;}}</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{r|7(8)}}matrem <proci> procitum{{gap|4em}}plurimi venerunt.</poem> <small>''Paul. p. 226 M'' (''252 L'') Procitum, cum prima syllaba corripitur, significat petitum. Livius: matr. — ven. <proci> ''Zander,'' <meam> ''Havet, v. Leo p. 34, 1. Cf. α 245 sqq.'' {{Graeca|ὅσσοι γὰρ νήσοισιν ἐπικρατέουσιν ἄριστοι . . . τόσσοι μητέρʼ ἐμὴν μνῶνται.}}</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{r|8(9)}}in Pylum devenies;{{gap|4em}}<h>aut ibi ommentans</poem> <small>''Fest. p. 190 M'' (''208 L'') Ommentans <Livius> in Odyssea, cum ait: In — omm. significat obmanens, sed ea significatione, qua saepe fieri dicitur, id enim est mantare. haut ''Leo p. 40, 4 coll.'' ''α 284 sqq.'' {{Graeca|πρῶτα μὲν ἐς Πύλον ἐλθὲ καὶ εἴρεο Νέστορα δῖον, κεῖθεν}}<noinclude><!--nop--> </small></noinclude> eavxd10drpr7dbbitcm18h6xctczsa9 277070 277064 2026-08-23T09:07:20Z SZC 03 22335 277070 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="SZC 03" />{{rh|8|LIVIUS ANDRONICUS|38 B.}} <small> <!----></noinclude>''‘eine offenbare Trivialisierung’ Leo. De membris discribendis v.'' ''Thulin, Italische Sakrale Poesie und Prosa p. 28. cf. a 64'' {{Graeca|τέκνον ἐμόν, ποῖόν σε ἔπος φύγεν ἕρκος ὀδόντων;}}</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{r|4(5)}}argenteo polubro,{{gap|4em}}aureo eclutro.</poem> <small>''Non. p. 544, 20 M'' (''873 I.'') Polybrum, quod Graeci {{Graeca|χέρνιβα,}} nos trullium vocamus. Livius: arg. — ecl. et glutro ''codd. Cf. α 136'' {{Graeca|χέρνιβα δ’ ἀμφίπολος προχόῳ ἐπέχευε φέρουσα καλῇ χρυσείῃ ὑπὲρ ἀργυρέοιο λέβητος.}} ''v. Leo p. 16,5, qui ex gr. continuat'' <deae manus liquore{{gap|4em}}proluit ancilla>.</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{r|5(6)}}tuque mihi narrato{{gap|4em}}omnia disertim.</poem> <small>''Ib. p. 509, 20 M'' (''819 L'') Disertim . . . plane, palam . . . Livius: tuque — dis. ''Cf. α 169 et saepe'' {{Graeca|ἀλλʼ ἄγε μοι τόδε εἰπὲ καὶ ἀτρεκέως κατάλεξον.}}</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{r|6(7)}}quae haec daps est, qui festus{{gap|4em}}dies, . . . ?</poem> <small>''Prisc. I 321 H.'' haec daps . . . sed nominativus in usu frequenti non est, quem Livius Andr. in I Odissiae ponit: Quae — dies. ''Membra discripsit Thulin l. c. contra Leonem dies priori membro'' ''dantem. Cf. α 225'' {{Graeca|τίς δαίς, τίς δαὶ ὅμιλος ὅδʼ ἔπλετο;}} ''secundum'' ''membrum'' <quid tibi conducit> ''suppl. Leo p. 43 coll. Graec. versus'' ''clausula'' {{Graeca|τίττε δέ σε χρεώ;}}</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{r|7(8)}}matrem <proci> procitum{{gap|4em}}plurimi venerunt.</poem> <small>''Paul. p. 226 M'' (''252 L'') Procitum, cum prima syllaba corripitur, significat petitum. Livius: matr. — ven. <proci> ''Zander,'' <meam> ''Havet, v. Leo p. 34, 1. Cf. α 245 sqq.'' {{Graeca|ὅσσοι γὰρ νήσοισιν ἐπικρατέουσιν ἄριστοι . . . τόσσοι μητέρʼ ἐμὴν μνῶνται.}}</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{r|8(9)}}in Pylum devenies;{{gap|4em}}<h>aut ibi ommentans</poem> <small>''Fest. p. 190 M'' (''208 L'') Ommentans <Livius> in Odyssea, cum ait: In — omm. significat obmanens, sed ea significatione, qua saepe fieri dicitur, id enim est mantare. haut ''Leo p. 40, 4 coll.'' ''α 284 sqq.'' {{Graeca|πρῶτα μὲν ἐς Πύλον ἐλθὲ καὶ εἴρεο Νέστορα δῖον, κεῖθεν}}<noinclude><!--nop--> </small></noinclude> is44yx8yl4ge9pdm7uai402epeslp85 104 85265 277065 2026-08-23T09:02:01Z SZC 03 22335 /* Proofread */ 277065 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="SZC 03" />{{rh|38 B.|LIVIUS ANDRONICUS}}</noinclude>{{Graeca|δὲ Σπάρτηνδε παρὰ ξανθὸν Μνέλαον}}. devenies W ''ed. princ,'' deveniens X. ibi X ''ed. princ.'' ubi W ''Linds. Ante Leonem cum β 317'' {{Graeca|ἠὲ Πύλονδʼ ἐλθὼν ἢ αὐτοῦ τῷδʼ ἐνὶ δήμῳ}} ''comparabant'' <aut> in Pylum ''cum O. Guenthero scribentes, sed verba'' {{Graeca|αὐτοῦ — δήμῳ}} ''vocula'' ibi ''reddi posse iure negat Leo.''</small> {{rule|8em}} {{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} II (β)}} <poem>tumque remos iussit{{gap|4em}}religare struppis {{r|9(10)}}</poem> <small>''Isid. Orig. 19, 4, 9'' Struppi vincula loro vel lino facta, quibus remi ad scalmos alligantur. De quibus Livius: Tumque — struppis. ''Cf. β 422'' (= ''ο 287'') {{Graeca|Τηλέμαχος δʼ ἑτάροισιν ἐποτρύνας ἐκέλευσεν ὅπλων ἅπτεσθαι.}}</small> {{rule|8em}} {{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} III (γ)}} <poem>ibidemque vir summus{{gap|4em}}adprimus Patroclus {{r|9(10)}}</poem> <small>''Gell. 6, 7, 11'' Adprimum . . . longe primum L. Livius in Odyssia dicit in hoc versu: ib. — Patr. ''Cf. γ 110'' {{Graeca|ἔνθα δὲ Πάτροκλος θεόφιν μήστωρ ἀτάλαντος}} ''et v. Leo, Lit.-Gesch. p. 74.''</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>quando dies adveniet,{{gap|4em}}quem profata Morta est {{r|11(12)}}</poem> <small>''Ib. 3, 16, 11'' Caesellius . . . Vindex . . . versum hunc Livii . . . ponit ex {{Graeca|Ὀδυσσείᾳ}}: quando — est. Sed . . . . Mortam quasi nomen accepit, cum accipere quasi Moeram deberet. ''Cf. γ 237'' {{Graeca|ὁππότε κεν δὴ μοῖρʼ ὀλοὴ καθέλῃσι τανηλεγέος θανάτοιο.}} ''Dele igitur'' ''interrogationis signum in Gellii editione Hosiana.''</small> {{rule|8em}} {{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} IV (δ)}} <poem>atque escas habemus{{gap|4em}}mentionem . . .{{r|12(13)}}</poem> <small>''Prisc. I 198 H.'' Livius in Odyssia: Atque — ment. escas pro escae. ''Cf. δ 213 {{Graeca|δόρπου δʼ ἐξαῦτις μνησώμεθα}} ''et v. κ 177'' {{Graeca|μνησόμεθα βρώμης,}} ''v 246'' {{Graeca|μνησώμεθα δαιτός.}} habeamus ''G. Hermann,'' ''sed fort, enuntiatum interrogativum a vocula quin incipiens'' ''intellegendum est (Zander).''</small> {{rule|8em}} {{nop}}<noinclude></noinclude> 1eb5ybrgjby2jfnrokm7r9vkjlrn0uw 104 85266 277067 2026-08-23T09:03:55Z Catgolin 32186 /* Nondum emendata */ Paginam instituit, scribens '{{Marginalia dextra|<center>John IV.,<br/>26th<br/>Abbot,<br/>A.D.<br/>1302–8.{{hr}}</center>Lands and tenements at Langley, Caisho, and Crokesley, acquired for the Abbey by Abbot John.}} ==== De diversis possesionibus tempore memorati Abbatis collatis et perquisitis. ==== Prædictus Abbas adquisivit de Ricardo de Langleia duo mesuagia, centum et sexaginta et quatuor acras terræ, unam acram prati, sex acras bosci, septuaginta et septem et dec... 277067 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="Catgolin" />{{sidenotes begin|side=right}} {{rh||{{Capituli|Monasterii Sancti Albani.}}|81}}</noinclude>{{Marginalia dextra|<center>John IV.,<br/>26th<br/>Abbot,<br/>A.D.<br/>1302–8.{{hr}}</center>Lands and tenements at Langley, Caisho, and Crokesley, acquired for the Abbey by Abbot John.}} ==== De diversis possesionibus tempore memorati Abbatis collatis et perquisitis. ==== Prædictus Abbas adquisivit de Ricardo de Langleia duo mesuagia, centum et sexaginta et quatuor acras terræ, unam acram prati, sex acras bosci, septuaginta et septem et decem acras pasturæ, et quatuor solidatus redditus, cum pertinentiis, in Langleia, Caisho, et Crokesle; quæ omnia prædicta <ref>Richard de Langley alone, has been named as the grantor: his wife, perhaps, may have been one of the tenants for life.</ref>tenuerunt tantum ad vitam eorum, ita quod post eorum decessum redirent in jus Monasterii in perpetuum; facta finali concordia, t levata in Curia Regis. {{Marginalia dextra|Clothing found by the Abbot, for certain donors and land.}} Et ultra concessit eis duas robas singulis annis, ad Natale Domini, continentes in se sexdecim ulnas panni, de secta clericorum Abbatis; cum <ref>''pelura'' in MS.</ref>pellura agnina pro prædicto Ricardo, et cum pellura de ''strendlinge'' pro Elena, uxore sua, et cum pellura de verrero minuto pro caputio prædictæ Elenæ. Item, pasturam decem porcorum, <ref>Sic in MS.</ref>quietos de pannagio; et ultra, de pecunia. {{Marginalia dextra|Messuage and land obtained by him at Nortone.}} Item, adquisivit de Johanne de la More de Erdlee unum mesuagium, centrum et sexdecim acras terræ, unam prati, tresdecim solidorum et sex denariorum redditus, et unam libram <ref>This word is partly erased.</ref>cimini, cum pertinentiis, in Nortone, juxta Baudak. {{Marginalia dextra|Lands at Oxeye, Crokesley, Mikelfeld, and Bisseye.}} Item, adquisivit de Rogero le Tailour, et Agnete, uxore sua, triginta acras terræ, duas acras prati et dimidiam, et quinque acras et unam rodam bosci, medietatem unius acræ pasturæ, quindecim et octo solidorum et quatuor denariorum et unius oboli redditus, <ref>''ii. cāp.'' in MS.; the meaning is doubtful.</ref>duos campos, et tertiam partem duarum librarum piperis, cum pertinentiis, in Oxeia, Crokesleya, Mikelfeld, et Bisseya.<noinclude>{{hr}} <references /> {{sidenotes end}}</noinclude> ic78uiimqucqj8ejybxqgudvm162iqz 104 85267 277076 2026-08-23T09:30:22Z SZC 03 22335 /* Nondum emendata */ Paginam instituit, scribens '<poem>{{r|13(14)}}partim errant, nequinont{{gap|4em}}Graeciam redire.</poem> <small>Fest., p. 162M (160 L) Nequinont pro nequeunt . . . dicebant antiqui. Livius in Odissia: partim — redire. Cf. <5 495 no/iXoi ;tev yao Tcbr ye dapev, noXXoi de /Jttovto . . . elg b" hi nov xare- gvxerai.</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{r|14(15)}}Sancta puer, Saturni{{gap|4em}}filia, regina</poem> <small>Prise. I 231 II. hie et haec puer vetustissimi protul... 277076 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="SZC 03" />{{r|10|LIVIUS ANDRONICUS|39 B.}}</noinclude><poem>{{r|13(14)}}partim errant, nequinont{{gap|4em}}Graeciam redire.</poem> <small>Fest., p. 162M (160 L) Nequinont pro nequeunt . . . dicebant antiqui. Livius in Odissia: partim — redire. Cf. <5 495 no/iXoi ;tev yao Tcbr ye dapev, noXXoi de /Jttovto . . . elg b" hi nov xare- gvxerai.</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{r|14(15)}}Sancta puer, Saturni{{gap|4em}}filia, regina</poem> <small>Prise. I 231 II. hie et haec puer vetustissimi protulisse in- veniuntur . . . Livius in Odyssia: Sancta-regina. filia glossema ad puer putavit Fleckeisen, sed similiter in Nelei carmine fr. 5 (Ribb. Trag.3 p. 271) saneta puer filia sumam legi monet Leo p. 46, 5. Livii hymno dedit Havel, sed cf. d 513 norvia "Hgrj et v. Leo Plaut. Forsch.2 p. 91.</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{r|15(16)}}apud nympham Atlantis{{gap|4em}}filiam Calypsonem</poem> <small>lb. 210 (e Caesellio I indice) Calypsonem. Ita declinatum est apud antiquos. Livius: apud — Cal. Cf. 5 557 vvpqn]; ev peyd- goioi Kal.vipovq ( e 14, q 143).</small> {{rule|8em}} {{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} V (ε)}} <poem>{{r|16(17)}}igitur demum Ulixi{{gap|4em}}cor frixit prae pavore</poem> <small>Schol. Verg. Aen. 1, 92 Livius in Odyssia: ig. — pav. Cf. e 297 xai tot ’ ’ Odvoorjoq Avto yovvara xal <pD.ov prog.</small> {{rule|8em}} {{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} VI (ζ)}} <poem>{{r|17(19)}}utrum genua amploctens{{gap|4em}}virginem oraret</poem> <small>Diom. 384 K. veteres immutaverunt, amploctor erebro dicti- tantes, ut Livius in Odyssea: utrum — oraret. Cf. f 142 fj yovvcov XioooiTo Xaficov Evatiuda xovgrjv.</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{r|18(20)}}ibi manens sedeto{{gap|4em}}donicum videbis me carpento vehentem{{gap|4em}}domum venisse</poem> <small>Char. 256 B ( 197 K) Donicum pro donee. Ita Livius, inquit (in quinto coni. Ritschl), usurpat: ibi — venisse. Cf. 'Q 295 sqq. ev&a xalhCdpevoq peivai ygovov. dq 8 H£v 8otvSe eMmpev xai Ixwpefta ddipara nargog. </small> {{rule|8em}} {{nop}}<noinclude></noinclude> i2uoj0pf7s01naexu4t69z35svwj06w 277077 277076 2026-08-23T09:30:36Z SZC 03 22335 277077 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="SZC 03" />{{rh|10|LIVIUS ANDRONICUS|39 B.}}</noinclude><poem>{{r|13(14)}}partim errant, nequinont{{gap|4em}}Graeciam redire.</poem> <small>Fest., p. 162M (160 L) Nequinont pro nequeunt . . . dicebant antiqui. Livius in Odissia: partim — redire. Cf. <5 495 no/iXoi ;tev yao Tcbr ye dapev, noXXoi de /Jttovto . . . elg b" hi nov xare- gvxerai.</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{r|14(15)}}Sancta puer, Saturni{{gap|4em}}filia, regina</poem> <small>Prise. I 231 II. hie et haec puer vetustissimi protulisse in- veniuntur . . . Livius in Odyssia: Sancta-regina. filia glossema ad puer putavit Fleckeisen, sed similiter in Nelei carmine fr. 5 (Ribb. Trag.3 p. 271) saneta puer filia sumam legi monet Leo p. 46, 5. Livii hymno dedit Havel, sed cf. d 513 norvia "Hgrj et v. Leo Plaut. Forsch.2 p. 91.</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{r|15(16)}}apud nympham Atlantis{{gap|4em}}filiam Calypsonem</poem> <small>lb. 210 (e Caesellio I indice) Calypsonem. Ita declinatum est apud antiquos. Livius: apud — Cal. Cf. 5 557 vvpqn]; ev peyd- goioi Kal.vipovq ( e 14, q 143).</small> {{rule|8em}} {{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} V (ε)}} <poem>{{r|16(17)}}igitur demum Ulixi{{gap|4em}}cor frixit prae pavore</poem> <small>Schol. Verg. Aen. 1, 92 Livius in Odyssia: ig. — pav. Cf. e 297 xai tot ’ ’ Odvoorjoq Avto yovvara xal <pD.ov prog.</small> {{rule|8em}} {{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} VI (ζ)}} <poem>{{r|17(19)}}utrum genua amploctens{{gap|4em}}virginem oraret</poem> <small>Diom. 384 K. veteres immutaverunt, amploctor erebro dicti- tantes, ut Livius in Odyssea: utrum — oraret. Cf. f 142 fj yovvcov XioooiTo Xaficov Evatiuda xovgrjv.</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{r|18(20)}}ibi manens sedeto{{gap|4em}}donicum videbis me carpento vehentem{{gap|4em}}domum venisse</poem> <small>Char. 256 B ( 197 K) Donicum pro donee. Ita Livius, inquit (in quinto coni. Ritschl), usurpat: ibi — venisse. Cf. 'Q 295 sqq. ev&a xalhCdpevoq peivai ygovov. dq 8 H£v 8otvSe eMmpev xai Ixwpefta ddipara nargog. </small> {{rule|8em}} {{nop}}<noinclude></noinclude> 6y2hmviqxkbsiuqjaulfaw2v2h8l6d9 104 85268 277078 2026-08-23T09:36:16Z SZC 03 22335 /* Nondum emendata */ Paginam instituit, scribens '{{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} VIII (θ)}} <poem>simul ac dacrimas de ore{{gap|4em}}noegeo detersit,{{r|19(21)}}</poem> <small>I1 est. p. 174 M (182 L) Noegeum quidam amiculi genus praetextum pui'pura. quidam candidum ac perlucidum . . . ut Livius ait in Odyssia: Sim. — det. ’ id est candido. lacrimas cod., corr. C. O. Mue. coll. Fest. p. 68 M (60 L) Dacrimas pro lacrimas Livius sacpe posuit nimirum quod Graeci appellant {{Graeca|…}}. Cf. ft 88... 277078 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="SZC 03" />40 B. 11 LIVIUS ANDRONICUS</noinclude>{{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} VIII (θ)}} <poem>simul ac dacrimas de ore{{gap|4em}}noegeo detersit,{{r|19(21)}}</poem> <small>I1 est. p. 174 M (182 L) Noegeum quidam amiculi genus praetextum pui'pura. quidam candidum ac perlucidum . . . ut Livius ait in Odyssia: Sim. — det. ’ id est candido. lacrimas cod., corr. C. O. Mue. coll. Fest. p. 68 M (60 L) Dacrimas pro lacrimas Livius sacpe posuit nimirum quod Graeci appellant {{Graeca|…}}. Cf. ft 88 {{Graeca|?}}</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>namque nullum peius{{gap|4em}}macerat †humanum{{r|20(22)}} quamde mare saevom:{{gap|4em}}vires cui sunt magnae, <tamen> topper confringent{{gap|4em}}importunae undae.</poem> <small>lb. p. 352 M (482 L ) Topper . . . cito; sic in eodem (Odyssia Seal., sed malim servato eodem anteccdens quoque frgm. Livio dare): Namque — undae. 1 homonem Vrs., v. Leo p. 41, 3. <genus> macerat humanum Zander verba namque — peius praecedenti Saturnio adsignans. 2 vires Ant. Augustinus: viret. 3 suppl. Leo, topper <tam> Zander. Cf. ft 138 sqq. {{Graeca|…}}</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>Mercurius cumque eo{{gap|4em}}filius Latonas{{r|21(23)}}</poem> <small>Prise. I 198 11. in eodem (sc. Livio in Odyssia): 'Merc.-Lat.’ pro Latonae. Cf. ft 322 {{Graeca|…}}</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>nexebant multa inter se{{gap|4em}}flexu nodorum dubio.{{r|22(24)}}</poem> <small>lb. 469 nexo quoque nexas vel nexis . . . Vergilius . . nexantem . . . secundum primam . . . Livius vero in Odissia: nexebant — dubio. Item 538, ubi nexabant codd., quod praetulit Leo p. 53, 4 iniuria hand dubie. Diom. 369 Liv. in Od. nexabant multa inter se e Prise, interpolatum esse vidit Bhr. cf. ft 378 sqq. {{Graeca|…}}</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>Nam diva Monetas{{gap|4em}}filia docuit{{r|23(25)}}</poem> <small>lb. 198 ibidem (post fr. 12): Nam — doc. Monetas pro Monetae, divina minus bene nonnulli codd. filia Seal.: filiam. Cf. ft 480 {{Graeca|…}}<noinclude><!--nop--> </small></noinclude> heyon527zpw7tf78exslupk280jmv13 277080 277078 2026-08-23T09:36:47Z SZC 03 22335 277080 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="SZC 03" />{{rh|40 B.|LIVIUS ANDRONICUS|11}}</noinclude>{{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} VIII (θ)}} <poem>simul ac dacrimas de ore{{gap|4em}}noegeo detersit,{{r|19(21)}}</poem> <small>I1 est. p. 174 M (182 L) Noegeum quidam amiculi genus praetextum pui'pura. quidam candidum ac perlucidum . . . ut Livius ait in Odyssia: Sim. — det. ’ id est candido. lacrimas cod., corr. C. O. Mue. coll. Fest. p. 68 M (60 L) Dacrimas pro lacrimas Livius sacpe posuit nimirum quod Graeci appellant {{Graeca|…}}. Cf. ft 88 {{Graeca|?}}</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>namque nullum peius{{gap|4em}}macerat †humanum{{r|20(22)}} quamde mare saevom:{{gap|4em}}vires cui sunt magnae, <tamen> topper confringent{{gap|4em}}importunae undae.</poem> <small>lb. p. 352 M (482 L ) Topper . . . cito; sic in eodem (Odyssia Seal., sed malim servato eodem anteccdens quoque frgm. Livio dare): Namque — undae. 1 homonem Vrs., v. Leo p. 41, 3. <genus> macerat humanum Zander verba namque — peius praecedenti Saturnio adsignans. 2 vires Ant. Augustinus: viret. 3 suppl. Leo, topper <tam> Zander. Cf. ft 138 sqq. {{Graeca|…}}</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>Mercurius cumque eo{{gap|4em}}filius Latonas{{r|21(23)}}</poem> <small>Prise. I 198 11. in eodem (sc. Livio in Odyssia): 'Merc.-Lat.’ pro Latonae. Cf. ft 322 {{Graeca|…}}</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>nexebant multa inter se{{gap|4em}}flexu nodorum dubio.{{r|22(24)}}</poem> <small>lb. 469 nexo quoque nexas vel nexis . . . Vergilius . . nexantem . . . secundum primam . . . Livius vero in Odissia: nexebant — dubio. Item 538, ubi nexabant codd., quod praetulit Leo p. 53, 4 iniuria hand dubie. Diom. 369 Liv. in Od. nexabant multa inter se e Prise, interpolatum esse vidit Bhr. cf. ft 378 sqq. {{Graeca|…}}</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>Nam diva Monetas{{gap|4em}}filia docuit{{r|23(25)}}</poem> <small>lb. 198 ibidem (post fr. 12): Nam — doc. Monetas pro Monetae, divina minus bene nonnulli codd. filia Seal.: filiam. Cf. ft 480 {{Graeca|…}}<noinclude><!--nop--> </small></noinclude> iospg79o5a66cecmjifweot0ftv9r1l 104 85269 277082 2026-08-23T09:48:23Z SZC 03 22335 /* Nondum emendata */ Paginam instituit, scribens '{{Graeca|…}}, quo coll. Leo p. 39, 2 <vates vias modorum> ex. gr. suppl.</small> {{rule|8em}} {{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} IX (ι)}} <poem>{{r|24(32)}}quoniam audivi †paucis,{{gap|4em}}gavisi . . .</poem> <small>lb. 482 Vetustissimi gavisi pro gavisus sum protulerunt . . . Livius in Odissia: quon. — gav. paucis corruptum, boantis Leo p. 53, 5 coll, i 413 {{Graeca|…}} Ante Leonem n 92 {{Graeca|…}} comparabant, quasi paucis = minime esset.</... 277082 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="SZC 03" />{{rh|12|LIVIUS ANDRONICUS|41 B.}} <small> <!--nop--></noinclude>{{Graeca|…}}, quo coll. Leo p. 39, 2 <vates vias modorum> ex. gr. suppl.</small> {{rule|8em}} {{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} IX (ι)}} <poem>{{r|24(32)}}quoniam audivi †paucis,{{gap|4em}}gavisi . . .</poem> <small>lb. 482 Vetustissimi gavisi pro gavisus sum protulerunt . . . Livius in Odissia: quon. — gav. paucis corruptum, boantis Leo p. 53, 5 coll, i 413 {{Graeca|…}} Ante Leonem n 92 {{Graeca|…}} comparabant, quasi paucis = minime esset.</small> {{rule|8em}} {{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} X (κ)}} <poem>25(26) Inferus an superus tibi fert deus funera, Ulixes?</poem> <small>lb. 96 super superus . . . Livius in Odyssea: Inf. — Ul. De Livii carmine non multum post Ennium in hexametros redacto v. Leo p. 60 ,4. Cf. x 64 ( Aeolus eiusque familiar es Ulixem interrogant) {{Graeca|…}}</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>{{r|26(28)}}Topper citi ad aedis{{gap|4em}}venimus Circae ————————————— simul duona eorum{{gap|4em}}portant ad navis, multa alia in isdem{{gap|4em}}inserinuntur.</poem> <small>Fest. p. 352 M (482 L) Topper . . . in antiquissimis scriptis celeriter ac mature; in Odyssia vetere . . . Topper — inserinuntur. Versus 2 et 3, quos cum 1 non cohaerere vidit, Naevio attribuit Ilavet. 1 citi vix sanum, siquidem topper iam per se celeriter ac mature significat. Ante v. 2 excidisse versum, cut forma topper inerat, constat. 3 multa Hue.: millia. Ad 1 cf. y. 252 (Eurylochus narrat) {{Graeca|…}} (e versu 210) fortasse legit Livius cum [Plut.] de vita et poesi Ho¬ med 40 et Ioanne Doxapatri Rhet. Gr. 11 228, 2 W. Aliter Berg- feld, De Versu Saturnio p. 117, secundum quern Liv. hunc versum inter x 449 — 451 et 452 inseruerit. Minus bene de hac re egit Leo p. 46, 6. Ad 2 — 3 de £ 262 sqq. cogitari posse innuit idem, v 70sqq. propter navium numerum aliena esse arbitratus. Ac fort, vox topper. quam excidisse dixi, Homeri {{Graeca|…}} (£ 263) respondebat (Leo).</small> {{rule|8em}} {{nop}}<noinclude></noinclude> smdhttpevzjhuh9wurg92end7fny8ry 104 85270 277083 2026-08-23T09:50:59Z SZC 03 22335 /* Nondum emendata */ Paginam instituit, scribens '<poem>topper facit homines{{gap|4em}}ut prius fuerunt.{{r|27}}</poem> <small>lb. ante fr. 26: topper — fuerunt. ut. prius Duentzer: utrius. fuerunt Bue.: fuerint. Cf. x 395 {{Graeca|…}}</small> {{rule|8em}} {{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} ΧΙI (m)}} <poem>parcentes praemodum{{r|28(29)}}</poem> <small>Gell. 6, 7, 12 Livius in Odyssia praemodum dicit quasi admodum: parcentes, inquit, praemodum, quod significat supra modum dictumque est quasi pra... 277083 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="SZC 03" />{{rh|41 B.|LIVIUS ANDRONICUS|13}}</noinclude><poem>topper facit homines{{gap|4em}}ut prius fuerunt.{{r|27}}</poem> <small>lb. ante fr. 26: topper — fuerunt. ut. prius Duentzer: utrius. fuerunt Bue.: fuerint. Cf. x 395 {{Graeca|…}}</small> {{rule|8em}} {{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} ΧΙI (m)}} <poem>parcentes praemodum{{r|28(29)}}</poem> <small>Gell. 6, 7, 12 Livius in Odyssia praemodum dicit quasi admodum: parcentes, inquit, praemodum, quod significat supra modum dictumque est quasi praeter modum ; in quo scilicet prima syllaba acui debebit. A ut primum membrum aut finis primi et initium secundi membri. Cf. m 321 {{Graeca|…}} et 328 dney/jvTo.</small> {{rule|8em}} {{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} XIII (ν)}} <poem>sic quoque fitum est{{r|29(30)}}</poem> <small>Non. p. 475, 16 M ( 762 L) Livius Odyssia: sic — est. Est membrum. posterius, v. Leo p. 22. Cf. v 40 {{Graeca|…}} Cum v 178 {{Graeca|…}} contulit H. Walther, cum q 22 {{Graeca|…}} I. Tolkiehn Festschrift Oskar Schade p. 291.</small> {{rule|8em}} {{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} XIX (τ)}} <poem>vestis pulla purpurea{{gap|4em}}ampla . . .{{r|30(34)}}</poem> <small>Non. p. 368, 26 M (586 L) Pullum, non album . . . [Titus del. L. Mue. Livius: vest. — ampla. Cf. r 225 {{Graeca|…}} Fort. <fuit Ulixi>.</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>dusmo in loco{{r|31(35)}}</poem> <small>Paul. p. 67 M (59 L) D. i 1. apud Livium significat dumosum locum; antiqui enim interserebant S litteram . . — cf. r 439 {{Graeca|…}} Inter T R F3 recepit Ribbeck p. 6.</small> {{rule|8em}} {{nop}}<noinclude></noinclude> b7hd7ny0z73uhq1z13l5i6393qndv5b 104 85271 277085 2026-08-23T09:55:02Z SZC 03 22335 /* Nondum emendata */ Paginam instituit, scribens '{{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} XX (υ)}} <poem>{{r|32(36)}}Cum socios nostros mandisset impius Cyclops</poem> <small>Prise. 1 419 II. mando . . . alii mandui, alii mandidi esse voluerunt, Livius tamen in Odissia: Cum — Cycl. Cf. v 19 {{Graeca|…}} De hexametro v. ad fr. 25.</small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{r|33(—)}}c Gl L 11 23, 42 Aroscit {{Graeca|…}} aeruseat Leo de Iro intellegens (aXp-zyg a 18). Milii potius ad v 340 {{Graeca|…}} referendum... 277085 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="SZC 03" />{{rh|14|LIVIUS ANDRONICUS|42 B.}}</noinclude>{{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} XX (υ)}} <poem>{{r|32(36)}}Cum socios nostros mandisset impius Cyclops</poem> <small>Prise. 1 419 II. mando . . . alii mandui, alii mandidi esse voluerunt, Livius tamen in Odissia: Cum — Cycl. Cf. v 19 {{Graeca|…}} De hexametro v. ad fr. 25.</small> {{rule|8em}} <small>{{r|33(—)}}c Gl L 11 23, 42 Aroscit {{Graeca|…}} aeruseat Leo de Iro intellegens (aXp-zyg a 18). Milii potius ad v 340 {{Graeca|…}} referendum videtur. Verbum {{Graeca|…}} in Odyssea non occurrit.</small> {{rule|8em}} {{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} XXI (φ)}} <poem>{{r|34(37)}}inque manum suremit{{gap|4em}}hastam . . .</poem> <small>Fest. p. 298 M ( 382 L) e Paulo suppl. Suremit sumpsit: Inque — hastarn. Livio attribuit Bue. coll. p 433 {{Graeca|…}} cf. etiam a 99 {{Graeca|…}} et v. Leo p. 47. 1, Ribb. TRF³ p. 314.</small> {{rule|8em}} {{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} XXII (χ)}} <poem>{{r|35(38)}} At celer hasta volans perrumpit peetora ferro</poem> <small>Prise. I 335 II. (haec eeler) Livius in Odissia: At — ferro. Cf. 7. 92 sqq. {{Graeca|…}} De forma metrica cf. ad fr. 25.</small> {{rule|8em}} {{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} XXIII (ψ)}} <poem>{{gap|24em}}carnis {{r|36(39)}}vinumque quod libabant{{gap|4em}}anelabatur</poem> <small>Ib. 208 vetustissimi . . . nominativum ‘haec carnis’ proferebant . . . Livius Andr. in Odyssia Carnis, ait, vinumque e. q. s. Cf. yj 304 sqq. {{Graeca|…}} et v. v 250 sqq. Leo p. 48, 1. carnis in fine antecedentis versus collocabat Zander, quod si verum esl, in posteriore membro aneulabatur praeferl Leo.</small> {{rule|8em}} {{nop}}<noinclude></noinclude> 6gwt3wsmzvahm3tm2okvtyde2eirujj 104 85272 277086 2026-08-23T09:58:03Z SZC 03 22335 /* Nondum emendata */ Paginam instituit, scribens '{{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} XXIV (ω)}} <poem>deque manibus dextrabus . . .{{r|37(39)}}</poem> <small>Non. p. 493, 16 M (791 L) Dextrabus pro dexteris. Livius, in Odyssia: deque — dex. Cf. {{Graeca|…}} Leo p. 48.</small> {{rule|8em}} {{ct|FRAGMENTA INCERTAE SEDIS ET DUBIA}} <poem>neque tamen te oblitus sum,{{gap|4em}}Laertie noster.{{r|38(4)}}</poem> <small>Prise. 1 301 H (de vocativo nominum in ius terminantium) etiam in e proferebant an... 277086 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="SZC 03" />{{42 B.|LIVIUS ANDRONICUS|15}}</noinclude>{{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} XXIV (ω)}} <poem>deque manibus dextrabus . . .{{r|37(39)}}</poem> <small>Non. p. 493, 16 M (791 L) Dextrabus pro dexteris. Livius, in Odyssia: deque — dex. Cf. {{Graeca|…}} Leo p. 48.</small> {{rule|8em}} {{ct|FRAGMENTA INCERTAE SEDIS ET DUBIA}} <poem>neque tamen te oblitus sum,{{gap|4em}}Laertie noster.{{r|38(4)}}</poem> <small>Prise. 1 301 H (de vocativo nominum in ius terminantium) etiam in e proferebant antiquissimi . . . Livius Andr. in Odissia: neque — noster. tamen RB, enim dett. Laertie A1 R1 lertiae BLK. V. Leo p. 41, qui cum a 65 {{Graeca|…}} comparandum esse suo iure negavit, ipse de Eumaei verbis £ 144 {{Graeca|…}} cogitans.</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>topper saevi capesset{{gap|4em}}flammam Volcani{{r|39}}</poem> <small>Fest. p. 352 M (482 L) Topper . . . citius; sic. †C. naevi. capesset f. V. Naevio dare solent sic fere supplentes: sic [c] N<aevius: topper s>aevi cap. f. V., v. Cich. Roem. Stud. p. 42. Obstat quod apud Festum sequitur: Cito; sic in eodem: namque — undae (supra fr. 20). Putcint sane aut fragm. quoddam Livianum inter kaec duo fragmenta excidisse aut cum Seal. Odyssia loco eodem legend-urn esse. Malim: Cito; sic [c] <in Livio: topper> saevi c. f. V., quamquam locum Homericum, qui apte conferri posset, non inveni.</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>celsosque ocris arvaque{{gap|4em}}putria et mare magnum{{r|40(18)}}</poem> <small>lb. p. 181 M (192 L) Ocrem antiqui, ut Ateius Philologus in libro glossematorum (fr. 2 Fun.) refert, montem confragosum vocabant, ut apud Livium . . . cels. — magn. Cf. Leo p. 44, 6. Cum e 411 {{Graeca|…}} contulit Seal., sed quid hie sibi velint arva putria iure interrogat Leo. Accedit quocl versus apud Festum inter tres alios haud dubie {{pt|tra-}}<noinclude><!--nop--> </small></noinclude> henowk3wlu61hugi0xt1q5y11hopl2r 277087 277086 2026-08-23T09:58:12Z SZC 03 22335 277087 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="SZC 03" />{{rh|42 B.|LIVIUS ANDRONICUS|15}}</noinclude>{{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} XXIV (ω)}} <poem>deque manibus dextrabus . . .{{r|37(39)}}</poem> <small>Non. p. 493, 16 M (791 L) Dextrabus pro dexteris. Livius, in Odyssia: deque — dex. Cf. {{Graeca|…}} Leo p. 48.</small> {{rule|8em}} {{ct|FRAGMENTA INCERTAE SEDIS ET DUBIA}} <poem>neque tamen te oblitus sum,{{gap|4em}}Laertie noster.{{r|38(4)}}</poem> <small>Prise. 1 301 H (de vocativo nominum in ius terminantium) etiam in e proferebant antiquissimi . . . Livius Andr. in Odissia: neque — noster. tamen RB, enim dett. Laertie A1 R1 lertiae BLK. V. Leo p. 41, qui cum a 65 {{Graeca|…}} comparandum esse suo iure negavit, ipse de Eumaei verbis £ 144 {{Graeca|…}} cogitans.</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>topper saevi capesset{{gap|4em}}flammam Volcani{{r|39}}</poem> <small>Fest. p. 352 M (482 L) Topper . . . citius; sic. †C. naevi. capesset f. V. Naevio dare solent sic fere supplentes: sic [c] N<aevius: topper s>aevi cap. f. V., v. Cich. Roem. Stud. p. 42. Obstat quod apud Festum sequitur: Cito; sic in eodem: namque — undae (supra fr. 20). Putcint sane aut fragm. quoddam Livianum inter kaec duo fragmenta excidisse aut cum Seal. Odyssia loco eodem legend-urn esse. Malim: Cito; sic [c] <in Livio: topper> saevi c. f. V., quamquam locum Homericum, qui apte conferri posset, non inveni.</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>celsosque ocris arvaque{{gap|4em}}putria et mare magnum{{r|40(18)}}</poem> <small>lb. p. 181 M (192 L) Ocrem antiqui, ut Ateius Philologus in libro glossematorum (fr. 2 Fun.) refert, montem confragosum vocabant, ut apud Livium . . . cels. — magn. Cf. Leo p. 44, 6. Cum e 411 {{Graeca|…}} contulit Seal., sed quid hie sibi velint arva putria iure interrogat Leo. Accedit quocl versus apud Festum inter tres alios haud dubie {{pt|tra-}}<noinclude><!--nop--> </small></noinclude> k1rep8rburn2pmm49xr6dgq8lze2xa0 277093 277087 2026-08-23T11:10:10Z SZC 03 22335 /* Proofread */ 277093 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="3" user="SZC 03" />{{rh|42 B.|LIVIUS ANDRONICUS|15}}</noinclude><section begin=s1/>{{ct|{{lsp|15%|Liber}} XXIV (ω)}} <poem>deque manibus dextrabus . . .{{r|37(39)}}</poem> <small>''Non. p. 493, 16 M'' (''791 L'') Dextrabus pro dexteris. Livius, in Odyssia: deque — dex. ''Cf. ω 534'' {{Graeca|τῶν δʼ ἄρα δεισάντων ἐκ χειτῶν ἕπτατο τεύχεα.}} Leo p. 48.</small> {{rule|8em}}<section end=s1/> {{ct|FRAGMENTA INCERTAE SEDIS ET DUBIA}} <section begin=s2/><poem>neque tamen te oblitus sum,{{gap|4em}}Laertie noster.{{r|38(4)}}</poem> <small>''Prisc. I 301 H'' (''de vocativo nominum in ius terminantium'') etiam in e proferebant antiquissimi . . . Livius Andr. in Odissia: neque — noster. tamen ''RB,'' enim ''dett.'' Laertie A¹ R¹ lertiae ''BLK. V. Leo p. 41, qui cum α 65'' {{Graeca|τῶς ἂν ἔοειτʼ Ὀδυσῆος ἐγὼ θείοιο λαθοίμην;}} ''comparandum esse suo iure negavit, ipse de Eumaei'' ''verbis ξ 144'' {{Graeca|ἀλλὰ μʼ Ὀδυσσῆος πόθος αἴνυται οἰχομένοιο}} ''vel Philoeti'' ''υ 205'' {{Graeca|μνησαμένῳ Ὀδυσῆος}} ''cogitans.''</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>topper saevi capesset{{gap|4em}}flammam Volcani{{r|39}}</poem> <small>''Fest. p. 352 M'' (''482 L'') Topper . . . citius; sic''e'' †C. naevi. capesset f. V. ''Naevio dare solent sic fere supplentes:'' sic [c] N<aevius: topper s>aevi cap. f. V., ''v. Cich. Roem. Stud. p. 42.'' ''Obstat quod apud Festum sequitur:'' Cito; sic in eodem: namque — undae (supra fr. 20). ''Putant sane aut fragm. quoddam Livianum'' ''inter haec duo fragmenta excidisse aut cum Scal. ''Odyssia'' loco'' eodem ''legendum esse. Malim:'' Cito; sic [c] <in Livio: topper> saevi c. f. V., ''quamquam locum Homericum, qui apte conferri posset, non inveni.''</small> {{rule|8em}} <poem>celsosque ocris arvaque{{gap|4em}}putria et mare magnum{{r|40(18)}}</poem> <small>''Ib. p. 181 M'' (''192 L'') Ocrem antiqui, ut Ateius Philologus in libro glossematorum (''fr. 2 Fun.'') refert, montem confragosum vocabant, ut apud Livium . . . cels. — magn. ''Cf. Leo'' ''p. 44, 6. Cum ε 411'' {{Graeca|ἔκτοσθεν μὲν γὰρ πάγοι ὀξέες, ἀμφὶ δὲ κῦμα βέβρυχεν ῥόθιον, λισσὴ δʼ ἀναδέδρομε πέτρη, ἀγχιβαθὴς δὲ θάλασσα}} ''contulit Scal., sed quid hic sibi'' velint arva putria iure interrogat ''Leo.'' ''Accedit quod versus apud Festum inter tres alios haud dubie'' {{pt|''tra-''}}<section end=s2/><noinclude><!--nop--> </small></noinclude> anm7o6nzyjj7ykkytcakyebcxfuvf9p 104 85273 277090 2026-08-23T11:00:53Z Catgolin 32186 /* Nondum emendata */ Paginam instituit, scribens '{{Marginalia sinistra|<center>John IV.,<br/>26th<br/>Abbot,<br/>A.D.<br/>1302–8.{{hr}}</center>}} ==== De abusiva præfectione et superioritate Prioris de Wymundham; et de quodam corrodio per dictos patronos exacto, sed per Isabellam, <ref>''Comitissa'' in MS., by inadvertence.</ref>Comitissam Arundeliæ, eidem domui remisso. ==== {{Marginalia sinistra|Injuries done to the Priory of Wymundham by the patrons, in the time of Adam Poleyn, Prior.}... 277090 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="Catgolin" />{{sidenotes begin}} {{rh|82|{{Capituli|Gesta Abbatum}}|}}</noinclude>{{Marginalia sinistra|<center>John IV.,<br/>26th<br/>Abbot,<br/>A.D.<br/>1302–8.{{hr}}</center>}} ==== De abusiva præfectione et superioritate Prioris de Wymundham; et de quodam corrodio per dictos patronos exacto, sed per Isabellam, <ref>''Comitissa'' in MS., by inadvertence.</ref>Comitissam Arundeliæ, eidem domui remisso. ==== {{Marginalia sinistra|Injuries done to the Priory of Wymundham by the patrons, in the time of Adam Poleyn, Prior.}} Cum olim nociva inolevit consuetudo, quod patroni de Wymundham duos monachos <ref>This word, or "''eligerent''," is evidently omitted here.</ref>[nominarent] de gremio Sancti Albani, vacante Prioratu, quorum unus juxta voluntatem Abbatis præficeretur in Priorem; inde siquidem contigit, quod Dominus Adam Poleyn, de assensu Dominæ Comitissæ de Arundelia, per venerabilem patrem Rogerum, abbatem Sancti Albani, præfectus in ejusdem Prioratus Priorem, plus videbatur inclinare ad voluntatem patroni quam Abbatum; qui tantum fovebant partem suam, quod nullus fuit ausus eum a statu suo movere; et licet simplex homo esset, et inscius, tamen dapsilis ex pius, et multum amatus in partibus suis, patroni siquidem in tempore suo multipliciter injurabantur domui prædictæ, et nimis habuerunt ibidem voluntatem suam, in præjudicium Ecclesiæ Sanctæ Albani; unde Abbates frequenter laboribus vexabantur, et expensis. {{Marginalia sinistra|Livery of bread and ale restored to the patron of Wymundham by the present Abbot.}} Cæterum quanquam per præceptum et consilium Johannis de Berjhamstede, prædecessoris istius Abbatis de quo agitur, retracta fuisset quædam liberatio panis et cervisiæ, ad valorem per annum octo librarum, quam patroni loci illius a longævis temporibus retroactis de dicto domo percipere consueverunt, (unde placitum in Itinere apud Ebracum agitatum fuerat, sequente dicto Priore, occasione brevis Novæ Disseisinæ impetrata per Dominum Robertum de Tateshale juniorem, militem, fere usque ad calculum judicii;) ipso interim decedente, iste Abbas, Johannes de Maryns,<noinclude>{{hr}} <references /> {{sidenotes end}}</noinclude> 9rjgvjs0h5d5gc7yrp216s0iotl5vw6 104 85274 277092 2026-08-23T11:09:42Z Catgolin 32186 /* Nondum emendata */ Paginam instituit, scribens '{{Marginalia dextra|<center>John IV.,<br/>26th<br/>Abbot,<br/>A.D.<br/>1302–8.{{hr}}</center>The succeeding patroness remits her claim to the allowance.}} dictum Dominum Robertum disseisitum imprudenter inde <ref>See page 64, ''andte''.</ref>reseisivit. Quo universæ carnis viam ingresso, relicta Domini Roberti de <ref>''Tatesha'' in MS., by inadvertence.</ref>Tateshale veterioris, quæ patrona fuit nomine dotis, nihil inde petiit, nec domum gr... 277092 proofread-page text/x-wiki <noinclude><pagequality level="1" user="Catgolin" />{{sidenotes begin|side=right}} {{rh||{{Capituli|Monasterii Sancti Albani.}}|83}}</noinclude>{{Marginalia dextra|<center>John IV.,<br/>26th<br/>Abbot,<br/>A.D.<br/>1302–8.{{hr}}</center>The succeeding patroness remits her claim to the allowance.}} dictum Dominum Robertum disseisitum imprudenter inde <ref>See page 64, ''andte''.</ref>reseisivit. Quo universæ carnis viam ingresso, relicta Domini Roberti de <ref>''Tatesha'' in MS., by inadvertence.</ref>Tateshale veterioris, quæ patrona fuit nomine dotis, nihil inde petiit, nec domum gravavit, sed Priorem et monachos plurimum honoravit; quæ ibidem obiit, et sepulta est in eodem Prioratu, anno Domini millesimo trecentesimo decimo; cujus jus patronatus successit Thomæ de Kayli hæreditarie, qui habuit partes dominii illius duas. Tertia vero pars ascendebat ad Symonem de Oriby, et quarta pars duabus relictis, videlicet, Domini Roberti de Tateshale, militis, et Roberti, filii sui, in dotem. ==== De Cella de Wymundham, et omnibus ecclesiæ pertinentibus, post mortem Prioris ibidem per <ref>''Scaetorem'' in MS., the first letter being omitted.</ref>Escaetorem Regis in manus ejusdem seysitis. ==== {{Marginalia dextra|On the death of Prior Adam, the King's Escheators take possession of the Priory of Wymundham.<br/>Abstracts of the Record of the transaction.}} Domino Ada Poleyn, quondam Priore de Wymundham, universæ carnis viam ingresso, die Natalis Domini, ab Incarnatione ejusdem millesimo trecentesimo tertio, ingressi sunt Escaetores Domini Regis memoratum Prioratum, cum multa familia, capientes claves, et ponentes custodes in <ref>''celario'' in MS.</ref>cellario et ad portas, ac in omnibus officiis; et summoneri fecerunt totum homagium Prioratus coram se, die Sabbati in Festo Innocentium, exigendo ab eis fidelitatem et recognitionem. Et quia Prior nondum fuerat humatus, ad requisitionem Conventus, posuerunt in respectum usque in diem Martis sequentem, et iterum posuerunt in respectum, ad requisitionem Conventus, præfigentes diem Dominicam sequentem. Ad quem diem Willelmus de Cursun, qui fuit Escaetor, non venit, sed mandavit quod essent coram eo die Martis sequente.<noinclude>{{hr}} <references /> {{sidenotes end}}</noinclude> q4gu7xxpkvvpot5pd8wbkphvm0ejkhe 106 85275 277097 2026-08-23T11:43:21Z SZC 03 22335 Paginam instituit, scribens '' 277097 proofread-index text/x-wiki {{:MediaWiki:Proofreadpage_index_template |Title={{wl|Q44233|Hesiodi}} carmina, {{wl|Q192638|Apollonii}} Argonautica, {{wl|Q1954009|Musaei}} carmen de Herone et Leandro, {{wl|Q1779484|Coluthi}} Raptus Helenae, {{wl|Q352702|Quinti}} Posthomerica, {{Wl|Q1371938|Tryphiodori}} Excidium Ilii, {{Wl|Q530515|Tzetzae}} Antehomerica, etc. |Language=la |Volume= |Author= |Translator= |Editor=[[Scriptor:Siegfried Lehrs|F.S. 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