lipu Wikipesija tokwiki https://tok.wikipedia.org/wiki/lipu_open MediaWiki 1.47.0-wmf.11 case-sensitive Media ilo toki jan jan la toki pali pali la toki sitelen sitelen la toki MediaWiki MediaWiki la toki kipisi kipisi la toki nasin ilo nasin ilo la toki kulupu kulupu la toki nimi nimi la toki TimedText TimedText talk Module Module talk Event Event talk 0 1588 69594 65563 2026-07-16T18:52:15Z Jan Julo 6643 /* */ mi ante e toki pi sitelen ma ni: jan li toki kepeken toki Posuka lon seme. mi ante e ona sama ni: jan mute [li toki] kepeken (e) toki Posuka (li) lon ma laso pimeja. jan [pi nanpa] lili [li toki] kepeken (e) toki Posuka (li) lon ma laso walo mi weka e nimi lon () li pali e nimi lon [] 69594 wikitext text/x-wiki {{poki sona toki|nimi toki=toki Posuka|nimi mama=polski|sitelen=[[sitelen:Map of the Polish language.png|220px]]|toki pi anpa sitelen=jan mute li toki kepeken toki Posuka lon ma laso pimeja. jan pi nanpa lili li toki kepeken toki Posuka lon ma laso walo.|kalama=/ˈpɔlskʲi/|ma=[[ma Posuka]]<br> [[ma Lijatuwa]]<br> [[ma Pelalusi]]<br> [[ma Ukawina]] |kulupu toki=Palata Elopa |toki pi tenpo pini=toki Posuka pi tenpo pini *toki Inli pi tenpo insa |nasin sitelen=[[sitelen Lasina]] |ISO 639-1=pl |ISO 639-2=pol |ISO 639-3=pol |Glottolog=poli1260 |Linguasphere=52-AAA-cc |sitelen ma= |toki anpa pi sitelen ma= |kulupu toki ante=* [[kulupu toki Palito-Lowan|Palito-Lowan]] ** [[kulupu toki Lowan|Lowan]] *** [[kulupu toki Lowan pi pini suno|Lowan pi pini suno]] **** [[kulupu toki Leke|Leke]] ***** '''Posuka''' |toki li ni lukin=Wszyscy ludzie rodzą się wolni i równi pod względem swej godności i swych praw.}} {{nimi ijo|'''toki Posuka'''|polski|toki Posuka||ipa=/pɔlski/}} li kama tan [[ma Posuka]]. == tan pi toki Posuka == [[sitelen:Book of Henryków.PNG|alt=sitelen li sitelen e lipu pi ma tomo Kenliku. nimi pi toki Posuka li loje.|thumb|350x350px|''lipu pi ma tomo Kenliku'' (toki Posuka la ''Księga Henrykowska'') li jo e linja nimi nanpa wan pi toki Posuka. sitelen ni la, ona li loje. open la, toki Lasina li toki e ni: "Hoc est in polonico" ("ni li lon toki Posuka").]] toki Posuka li tan [[kulupu toki Lowan]]. ma lawa wan Posuka li kama lon tenpo sike nanpa 966. ni la, nasin wan pi toki Posuka li suli. ma Posuka li kama jo e [[nasin sewi pi jan Jesu]]. kama la, jan li ken sitelen e toki Posuka. nimi ''polski'' ("toki Posuki") li tan nimi ''Polanie.'' ''Polanie'' li kulupu jan. ma ona la, ni li ma Posuka lon tenpo ni. nimi Polanie li kama tan nimi ''pole'' ("ma (pali)" anu "ma pi kasi laso lili"). linja nimi nanpa wan li lon ''lipu pi ma tomo Kenliku''. ma tomo Kenliku li lon ma Posuka. linja ni li sitelen kepeken nasin pi toki Lasina. ona li ni: ''Day, ut ia pobrusa, a ti poziwai''. taso, nasin sitelen pi tenpo ni li ante. kepeken nasin sitelen pi tenpo ni la, linja nimi li ni a: ''Daj, uć ja pobrusza, a ti pocziwaj''. kon pi linja nimi ni li "a, mi o ko e pan. sina o pona, (o pali e ala)". == kalama == [[sitelen:Polish vowel chart Wierzchowska.svg|thumb|222x222px|kalama toki pi toki Posuka.]] [[sitelen:Polish vowel chart (with allophones).svg|thumb|222x222px|kalama toki tan jan Rocławski (1976)]] === kalama open === toki Posuka li jo e kalama open luka tu wan. toki Posuka en toki Lowan ante li ante tan ni: toki Posuka li jo e kalama open tu pi nena sinpin (/ɛ̃/, /ɔ̃/). jan mute la, kalama ni li kalama kipisi ([ɛw̃], [ɔw̃]). ni a li ante: toki Posuka li jo e tenpo pi kalama open wan. ante la, [[toki Seki]] en [[toki Lowenki]] li jo e tenpo tu. ni li kalama open ale: {| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;" ! !sinpin !insa !monsi |- !sewi |i | rowspan="2" |ɘ |u |- !insa |ɛ |ɔ |- !anpa | colspan="3" |a |} jan wan la <y> li /ɘ/ lon toki Posuki. taso, jan ante mute la, ni li /ɨ/. nasin tu sitelen li pona. === kalama pini === {| class="wikitable" ! colspan="2" rowspan="2" | ! rowspan="2" |sinpin ! rowspan="2" |kiwen uta anu nena uta ! rowspan="2" |palisa sike ! rowspan="2" |sewi kiwen ! colspan="2" |sewi ko |- !kiwen !telo |- ! colspan="2" |nena sinpin |m |n | |ɲ | | |- ! rowspan="2" |pini ale !kalama ala |p |t | | |k |kʲ |- !kalama |b |d | | |ɡ |ɡʲ |- ! rowspan="2" |pini pana wawa !kalama ala | |t͡s |t͡ʂ |t͡ɕ | | |- !kalama | |d͡z |d͡ʐ |d͡ʑ | | |- ! rowspan="2" |kon tawa !kalama ala |f |s |ʂ |ɕ |x |xʲ |- !kalama |v |z |ʐ |ʑ | | |- ! colspan="2" |pini lili | |r | | | | |- ! colspan="2" |nena lon poka | |l | |j |w | |} == sitelen == {| class="wikitable" |+ ! ! colspan="2" | |- !p | colspan="2" |p |- !t | colspan="2" |t |- !k | colspan="2" |k |- !kʲ | colspan="2" |ki |- !b | colspan="2" |b |- !d | colspan="2" |d |- !g | colspan="2" |g |- !g^j | colspan="2" |gi |- !ts | colspan="2" |c |- !dz | colspan="2" |dz |- !tʂ | colspan="2" |cz |- !dʐ | colspan="2" |dż |- !tɕ |ci |ć |- !dʑ |dzi |dź |- !f | colspan="2" |f |- !s | colspan="2" |s |- !ʂ | colspan="2" |sz |- !ɕ |si |ś |- !x |h |ch |- !x^j |hi |chi |- !v |w |v |- !z | colspan="2" |z |- !ʐ |rz |ż |- !ʑ |zi |ź |- !m | colspan="2" |m |- !n | colspan="2" |n |- !ɲ |ni |ń |- !w | colspan="2" |ł |- !l |l |ł |- !r | colspan="2" |r |- !j | colspan="2" |j |- !a | colspan="2" |a |- !ɛ |o |ą |- !ɔ |e |ę |- !ɘ | colspan="2" |y |- !i | colspan="2" |i |- !u |u |ó |} ==toki pi toki Posuka== *'''toki!''': ''Dzień dobry'' anu ''Hej'' anu ''Cześć'' *'''mi tawa''' en '''tawa pona''': ''Do widzenia'' anu ''Na razie'' anu ''Cześć'' *'''mi wile e ___''': ''Chcę ___'' anu ''Potrzebuję ___'' **'''mi wile lape''': ''Jestem śpiący'' anu ''Jestem zmęczony'' anu ''Chce mi się spać'' **'''mi wile moku''': ''Jestem głodny'' ***'''mi wile moku e telo''': ''Jestem spragniony'' ***'''mi wile moku e ___''': ''Chciałbym zjeść ___'' anu ''Zjadłbym ___'' *'''mute seme?''': ''Ile?'' *'''mi pakala''': ''Do licha!'' anu ''Do diabła!'' *'''mi sona ala''': ''Nie wiem'' anu ''Nie rozumiem'' *'''tomo telo li lon seme?''': ''Gdzie jest łazienka?'' *'''sina sona ala sona e toki pona?''': ''Mówisz w toki ponie?'' anu ''Znasz toki ponę?'' *'''kijetesantakalu tonsi li lanpan ala lanpan e soko?''': ''Czy niebinarny szop pracz kradnie grzyby?'' sina ken lukin e lipu sona Wikipesija lon toki Posuka lon [http://pl.wikipedia.org/ http://pl.wikipedia.org/] [[kulupu:toki|Posuka]] [[kulupu:toki pi kulupu toki Palata Elopa|Posuka]] cnbn4262sw6pcxz2m4lp604fsvgm8li 0 4110 69598 41881 2026-07-17T00:27:20Z VidanaliK 3711 69598 wikitext text/x-wiki [[sitelen:Atlanta cityscape.jpg|thumb|sitelen pi ma tomo Alanta.]] {{nimi ijo|'''ma tomo Alanta'''|Atlanta|toki Inli}} li ma tomo lawa pi ma lili Sosa pi [[ma Mewika]]. Tenpo sike 2025 la Alanta li jo e 529,110 jan. Alanta li ma tomo nanpa 36 lon ma Mewika lon nanpa jan. {{lili ike}} [[kulupu:ma tomo]] {{DEFAULTSORT:Alanta, ma tomo}} cjno3g0l913zhmymn140rq1kthxd8ln 0 6080 69593 66557 2026-07-16T14:12:16Z Talun523 3498 69593 wikitext text/x-wiki ilo kon pi len ala li [[ilo kon]]. jan ale li ken lukin e sitelen open ona pi {{nimi ijo|toki ilo|source code|toki Inli}}. ni li pona tan ni: jan mute li ken ante e ona li ken namako e ona li ken lukin e jaki e pakala lon insa ona li ken weka e jaki e pakala lon insa ona. == kulupu ona == ilo kon mute li len ala: ===== [[ilo kon lawa]] ===== * [[ilo Linu]] * {{nimi ijo|[[ilo Pijesi]]|BSD|toki Inli}} * [[ilo Antowi]] * [[ilo kon lawa Awiku]] * [[ilo kon lawa Wijakuto|ilo kon lawa Wiakuto]] ===== [[ilo kon pi supa pali]] ===== * [[ilo kon GNOME]] * [[ilo kon Plasma]] ===== [[ilo lukin pi lipu ilo]] ===== * [[ilo Pajapo]] * [[ilo Pelumun]] {{lili}} [[kulupu:ilo kon lawa]] ox9arhl1fo2uqz59ivianoa34euvsh3 4 8663 69596 66593 2026-07-17T00:13:11Z VidanaliK 3711 mi sitelen e ma ni tan lukin ala e lipu toki. 69596 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{/toki open}} ==Start== I hope I am not being disruptive here, but I wanted to ask about the Toki Pona wikipedia, but I do not know how to speak Toki Pona. My first question is do you have any page that is a list of words. One that could be linked to wikidata with the [[:en:List of Toki Pona words]] page. I think this is a standard page all wikipedia projects have, so I apologize if it already exists elsewhere. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T08:06:26 (UTC) :I really want to help out with wikidata linking as much as I can. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T08:07:08 (UTC) :Hello! I've moved this over to the other-languages talk page we created previously. Pinging [[jan:Immanuelle]] just in case this is necessary to get the reply after moving the discussion. :As far as I can tell we don't have an article with a list of words. We do have a category [[:kulupu:nimi]] though. [[jan:Tbodt|Tbodt]] ([[jan la toki:Tbodt|toki]]) 2025-11-28T08:37:47 (UTC) ::Thank you! I am working on connecting the individual words to their wikimedia commons categories! [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T08:40:28 (UTC) :::The first conflict I am getting is that [[commons:Category:Kijetesantakalu]] could correspond to either [[nimi:kijetesantakalu]] or [[kijetesantakalu]]. So I am gonna not connect it until we make a decision on it. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T09:15:45 (UTC) ::::The nimi namespace is morally equivalent to wiktionary (and in fact allows words from any language). Does that help? [[jan:Tbodt|Tbodt]] ([[jan la toki:Tbodt|toki]]) 2025-11-28T09:46:15 (UTC) :::::That is helpful. I made my decision. [[kijetesantakalu]] is the more important one to link. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T09:49:32 (UTC) ::::::So will the namespace eventually eng up moved to toki pona wiktionary? [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T11:46:20 (UTC) :::::::I would like to do that eventually [[jan:Tbodt|Tbodt]] ([[jan la toki:Tbodt|toki]]) 2025-11-28T16:56:13 (UTC) == Shinto == I found the article on Shinto here: [[nasin sewi Sinto]]. Do you have any articles on shrines or kami? [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T09:55:38 (UTC) :Made one for Kami! [[kon Kami]]. [[jan:Retsamys|jan Ke Tami]] ([[jan la toki:Retsamys|toki]]) 2025-11-28T11:11:29 (UTC) ::So I am guessing that [[:en:Amaterasu]] would come out as [[jan sewi Amatelasu]]. If we want to use the honorifics then [[jan sewi Amatelasu Ōmikami]] [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T12:36:13 (UTC) == Interwiki bot == I hope that you have an interwiki bot. I have been trying to link things by leaving suggestions as <nowiki>[[en:TITLE]]</nowiki> I hope this will give you a bit of time to see what I am suggesting and not have to deal with disconnecting and reconnecting to wikidata since it will take a few days to go into effect. On some pages like [[tonsi]] I was not sure about what would fit. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T11:01:17 (UTC) :I'd say the best link to an English concept would be "non-binary". Thanks for all the work you put into this! [[jan:Retsamys|jan Ke Tami]] ([[jan la toki:Retsamys|toki]]) 2025-11-28T11:13:25 (UTC) ::You're very welcome! [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T11:28:12 (UTC) :not sure what you mean by "take a few days to go into effect", i've been linking on wikidata and it's been showing up here pretty quickly :in fact i just linked [[selo pi poka tu wan]] through [https://wikidata-todo.toolforge.org/duplicity/ Duplicity] and it showed up in like 15 seconds? [[jan:.hecko|.hecko]] ([[jan la toki:.hecko|toki]]) 2025-11-28T14:51:45 (UTC) ::I meant the method I use, which involves an interwiki bot. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T22:33:52 (UTC) == Suggested pages == Is there a suggested pages thing somewhere? Looking at a lot of the pages, @[[jan:So Sinjo~wikipesija.org|So Sinjo~wikipesija.org]] I think you might be interested in making articles for these three letters. * [[Ꙫ]] [[:simple:Binocular O]] * [[ꙩ]] [[:simple:Monocular O]] * [[ꙭ]] [[:simple:Double monocular O]] [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T12:34:28 (UTC) == Are we gonna implement sitelen pona on this wiki == I would like to see an ability to read the wiki in Sitelen Pona someday similar to how Old English wikipedia lets you read in runes. Is this being planned? [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T13:16:39 (UTC) :Yeah people constantly ask for it. It's hard to do automatically though. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T398755 [[jan:Tbodt|Tbodt]] ([[jan la toki:Tbodt|toki]]) 2025-11-28T16:55:23 (UTC) ::I think I have an idea. It seems like loanwords are always capitalized right? So we could have the sound symbols show up based on the capitalization. Would you be interested in me working on parsing for this, or do you already have an established library? [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T23:20:53 (UTC) :::It technically doesn't matter what glyphs to use in a cartouche, for names. There's 4-ish fonts that automatically convert any capitalised word into a cartouche - it'll be easier to read a text if the cartouche stays the same throughout the text, which isn't what the fonts typically do (although it can be done by limiting what can go in the cartouche in the first place). :::All that is to say, we don't necessarily have to worry about converting every name manually. Using one cartouche, consistently, can already work. And we could, then, adapt them for cartouches we want more specifically. :::Also, this only works with properly tokiponised names. Names that have foreign characters might not mix well with the rest of the cartouche or not show up at all, depending on the font. [[jan:Retsamys|jan Ke Tami]] ([[jan la toki:Retsamys|toki]]) 2025-11-29T00:08:40 (UTC) ::::What’s the word we use for cartouche? Do we have an article on it? [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T02:19:10 (UTC) :::::[[sitelen pona]] - which should probably be expanded, otherwise describing what the cartouche is? Well, poki, selo and nimi are useful words here. There's no single way to refer to it. [[jan:Retsamys|jan Ke Tami]] ([[jan la toki:Retsamys|toki]]) 2025-11-29T11:53:36 (UTC) ::::::Here in my sandbox I have a list of the sitelen pona sitelen sitelen and their words if that is what you meant by the expansion [[jan:Immanuelle/sandbox]] [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T12:06:16 (UTC) :::::::No, I meant the article is short. [[jan:Retsamys|jan Ke Tami]] ([[jan la toki:Retsamys|toki]]) 2025-11-29T12:15:02 (UTC) == How competent in toki pona do we need to be to start writing articles == I really do not want to cause problems with article quality, but I want to start working on [[jan:Immanuelle/jan sewi Amatelasu Omikami]]. Would you be supportive of me doing this or opposed. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T23:35:34 (UTC) :{{jan|Tamzin}} wrote a self assessment for just this purpose. Try it and let me know what you think: [[pali:mi toki pona anu seme?|mi toki pona anu seme?]] [[jan:Tbodt|Tbodt]] ([[jan la toki:Tbodt|toki]]) 2025-11-28T23:45:22 (UTC) ::I am in open sona. And I presume someone at that level can add images or correct years and such, just not change sentences. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T23:47:45 (UTC) :::Yeah, more or less. [[jan:Tbodt|Tbodt]] ([[jan la toki:Tbodt|toki]]) 2025-11-28T23:49:38 (UTC) ::::Would it be cool to try to write some userspace drafts though? [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T23:57:53 (UTC) :::::Perfectly fine imo. [[jan:Retsamys|jan Ke Tami]] ([[jan la toki:Retsamys|toki]]) 2025-11-29T00:12:09 (UTC) ::::::I’ll do template work too. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T00:50:50 (UTC) == Notability for conlangs == I see a lot of conlang wiki articles. What is our notability policy for them? Can we just make articles on any conlang? [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T23:36:51 (UTC) : We have no written notability policy, like most Wikipedias. The informal pan-Wikipedia notability policy is something like [[:en:WP:GNG]], but less strict on what "significant" and "reliable" mean, and often with some deference to topics that are particularly relevant to the language community. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:courier;"> -- [[jan:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">wan Tansin</span>]]</span>^{[''[[jan la toki:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">pi sijelo Tamzin</span>]]'']} 2025-11-29T08:22:36 (UTC) : Related thread: [[d:user talk:Emu#undeletion request]] — [[jan:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[jan la toki:Arlo Barnes|toki]]) 2025-12-02T14:15:52 (UTC) :I recently learned that even the toki pona article has been discussed to be deleted in the past. (see [[:en:Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Toki_Pona|here]]). So it seems that people care about notability of a conlang to some extent. Note that this discussion is several years old and policies about article deletions etc. might have changed since then. [[jan:JLapi|JLapi]] ([[jan la toki:JLapi|toki]]) 2025-12-09T09:43:26 (UTC) ::that's for the english wikipedia, we can have different notability guidelines to some extent ::also that's not "several" years old it's 20 years old, and the main thing that changed since then wasn't the guidelines becoming looser (if anything i feel like they're stricter) but ''toki pona itself'' becoming more notable :p ~[[jan:.hecko|poni Kita]] ([[jan la toki:.hecko|toki]]) 2025-12-09T16:39:34 (UTC) == Deleting improper imports == I tried to manually copy over some templates so I could make an equivalent of this simple english wikipedia template [[:simple:Template:Toki_Pona_Words]] but I did not do it properly. Can you delete [[kipisi:Hlist/styles.css]] [[Module:Navbox/styles.css]] [[Module:Navbox/configuration]] and [[Module:Navbox]]. I hope we get a navbox template so this can work in the future, but it is well beyond my abilities, and I think case sensitivity might make things not work the same on this wiki. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T08:08:33 (UTC) :@[[jan:Tamzin|Tamzin]] I am so so sorry. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T08:13:26 (UTC) ::No worries. It's a couple button-presses in [[Special:Nuke]]. In the future, if you'd like to import something, please ask an admin rather than copy-pasting. Thanks! <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:courier;"> -- [[jan:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">wan Tansin</span>]]</span>^{[''[[jan la toki:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">pi sijelo Tamzin</span>]]'']} 2025-11-29T08:20:06 (UTC) :::@[[jan:Tansin|Tansin]] thank you so much. I decided to make the same template with just a regular table. Here it is [[jan:Immanuelle/List of Toki Pona words]]. Do you think this is something suitable for being used here? [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T08:28:54 (UTC) ::::Anyways I would like to import [[:en:Template:ill]] [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T09:05:07 (UTC) :::::I'm not sure that that would be noncontroversial. Usually, small wikis directing traffic toward big wikis is counterproductive, since it keeps people from creating links locally. We do already have {{kipisi|lipu li ala}}, which is like ILL except that it uses a Wikidata ID. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:courier;"> -- [[jan:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">wan Tansin</span>]]</span>^{[''[[jan la toki:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">pi sijelo Tamzin</span>]]'']} 2025-11-29T09:33:46 (UTC) ::::::That is good. Better than an ill even. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T09:42:06 (UTC) :::::::Here's a transclusion of the template I made with all the words :::::::{{jan:Immanuelle/List of Toki Pona words}} [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T10:03:38 (UTC) If it is good I would like to move it to [[kipisi:nimi lon toki pona]].[[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T10:20:39 (UTC) :I updated the template. Does anyone have thoughts on it now? [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-12-03T06:10:35 (UTC) ::Hm I think my thoughts are this is a weird way to organize an encyclopedia. Practically speaking, all of these single-word-title articles are likely to become disambiguation pages in time. This approach would be more suited for the word definition pages. [[jan:Tbodt|Tbodt]] ([[jan la toki:Tbodt|toki]]) 2025-12-03T06:19:19 (UTC) :::@[[jan:Tbodt|Tbodt]] this one has both the definitions and the articles. Article is first and the sitelen pona is the definition. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-12-03T06:21:16 (UTC) ::::But already [[a]] and [[n] do not link to the expected places. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-12-03T06:22:24 (UTC) ::::ah, I didn't notice. It's really surprising and unexpected for a word written normally and the sitelen pona to be different links - it's just the same word written twice, they should be one link together. I'm firmly on the side of it's only really useful to have definition links. [[jan:Tbodt|Tbodt]] ([[jan la toki:Tbodt|toki]]) 2025-12-03T06:24:18 (UTC) :::::@[[jan:Tbodt|Tbodt]] I changed it using a template, and just dictionary link. Do you think that it is now good enough to move out of userspace? [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-12-12T23:48:52 (UTC) == I created a template and I wonder if it will be good enough for mainspace == I made this template [[jan:Immanuelle/List of Toki Pona words]] and would want to move it to [[kipisi:nimi lon toki pona]], but I am neither autoconfirmed, nor confident that I got things right. Does anyone want to check the template and move it to mainspace if it is good enough? [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T10:49:31 (UTC) :I would prefer feedback from the community first. There's a few stylistic issues in this (uppercase letters; "nimi lon toki pona", which is not-incorrect but not I think how most people would phrase it), but also broader questions of if this is how we want to present this information, what non-ku-suli words (if any) should be listed, and whether this is something we want linking to the main namespace or the ''nimi'' namespace. Perhaps {{jan|Juwan}} has thoughts. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:courier;"> -- [[jan:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">wan Tansin</span>]]</span>^{[''[[jan la toki:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">pi sijelo Tamzin</span>]]'']} 2025-11-29T11:11:28 (UTC) ::giving my two cents, I would prefer to go with the Linku categories, similar to what sona pona does (see [https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Template:Words Template:Words]). styliscally, the navbox is also way too tall, it can easily be compressed down without losing navigability. [[jan:Juwan|Juwan]] ([[jan la toki:Juwan|toki]]) 2025-11-29T11:17:36 (UTC) :::And as for being more of a proper navbox. I did it this way since we do not have [[Template:Navbox]] imported from enwiki, and you can see what I did on simplewiki here [[:simple:Template:Toki_Pona_Words]]. Had an earlier revision using it [https://tok.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=jan:Immanuelle/List_of_Toki_Pona_words&action=edit&oldid=52109 here] but I had import troubles. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T11:21:33 (UTC) ::::And as for my opinions on nimi vs mainspace. I think mainspace is better because it helps us understand the concepts being combined. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T11:23:43 (UTC) == ijo Tewa vs sewi Tewa == I found the page [[ijo Tewa]] and while I am 100% limited in my intuition, I would expect it should be [[sewi Tewa]]. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T11:13:04 (UTC) :As currently written it should probably be ''nimi'', actually. But I'm not sure that's the best way to frame the article... [[:en:Deva (Hinduism)|enwiki]] tries to sidestep the use/mention distinction too, though, so idk. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:courier;"> -- [[jan:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">wan Tansin</span>]]</span>^{[''[[jan la toki:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">pi sijelo Tamzin</span>]]'']} 2025-11-29T11:16:31 (UTC) ::I personally think renaming the article to something like "sewi pi nasin sewi Intu" might be a good way to go about it. It also bypasses the fact that deva is the male term, while a female one is called a devi. ::<span style="font-family:Cambria">pona o tawa sina! mi [[jan:Babelball|<span style="color:#ACE1AF">kisa Papesike</span>]]. o toki tawa mi lon [[jan la toki:Babelball|<span style="color:#AFB4DB">ni</span>]].</span> 2026-01-20T22:26:27 (UTC) == Import request == Can we import [[:en:Template:infobox religious building]] some parts are already here under their own names. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T15:01:00 (UTC) :Do we want to have the same proliferation of niche infobox templates that enwiki has? That does not seem very ''pona''. My initial attitude here is that I'm only comfortable using this page (which by its nature excludes many toki pona speakers, since not all speak English) for uncontroversial things; I would rather a discussion at [[pali:tomo toki]] before actioning something like this. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:courier;"> -- [[jan:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">wan Tansin</span>]]</span>^{[''[[jan la toki:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">pi sijelo Tamzin</span>]]'']} 2025-11-29T15:03:20 (UTC) == Sitelinks == Hi [[jan:Immanuelle]], I noticed you did a lot of sitelinking on Wikidata. Unfortunately when I started looking I found a number of obvious mistakes (for example, linking the End Poem article to Julian Gough.) I'd like to ask you to hold off on helping with sitelinking. [[jan:Tbodt|Tbodt]] ([[jan la toki:Tbodt|toki]]) 2025-11-30T03:00:37 (UTC) :I will hold off on it. I apologize for that. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-30T03:02:11 (UTC) ::I want to confirm that this one [[tomo wawa pi ma tomo Pukusima]] is [[:en:Fukushima nuclear accident]] [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-12-09T08:55:16 (UTC) :::@[[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]: No, it's [[:en:Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant]]. Like Tbodt said, please just leave this to proficient speakers. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:courier;"> -- [[jan:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">wan Tansin</span>]]</span>^{[<nowiki/>[[jan la toki:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">&#123;&#123;jan&#124;Tamzin&#125;&#125;</span>]]]} 2025-12-09T08:57:17 (UTC) ::you don't seem to have held off on it, judging by [[wikidata:Q137374997|Q137374997]] and its children (toki pona words), whose existence is iffy at best ::our "nimi" namespace is most equivalent to scots wikipedia's "define" namespace, which [[wikidata:WD:NEC|WD:NEC]] says is ineligible because it's pretty much wiktionary and wiktionary has its own crosslinking system ::buuut admittedly it's one guy saying that, and the crosslinking system isn't there for non-wiktionaries currently, and even if there were it'd just link to the main page and not the appendix page, and idk if one can do classic interlanguage links across wikis (though one ''could'' do regular links), ::that being said these items are probably gonna get removed by somepony at some point, i'm sorry to say ~[[jan:.hecko|poni Kita]] ([[jan la toki:.hecko|toki]]) 2025-12-14T00:13:31 (UTC) :::I did not take the nimi namespace as applying for this, since they are relatively unambiguous and not requiring comprehension and the main purpose is to connect the nimi items to the commons categories for their representations in sitelen pona and sitelen sitelen. :::Also yes they are connected to english wiktionary. I am not sure how a nimi to toki pona wiktionary migration would work. But I think this was a useful task. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-12-14T00:23:32 (UTC) ::::I would argue that the fact there are commons categories for all of them means the items are more important than the scots wikipedia one. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-12-14T00:47:02 (UTC) ==[[kipisi:hlist/sona]]== Could someone translate this into toki pona? [[jan:Sapphaline|Sapphaline]] ([[jan la toki:Sapphaline|toki]]) 2025-12-02T09:07:34 (UTC) :[[special:diff/53544|Done]], thanks [https://tok.wikipedia.org/wiki/jan:Retsamys Retsamys]! [[jan:Sapphaline|Sapphaline]] ([[jan la toki:Sapphaline|toki]]) 2025-12-02T15:21:34 (UTC) == I made a template to show words in sitelen pona or sitelen sitelen == I made a template [[kipisi:sitelen]] to display text in sitelen pona or sitelen sitelen <br> {{sitelen|jan|sewi|suli|A|MA|TE|LA|SU|pona=true|inline=true}}<br> {{sitelen|jan|sewi|suli|A|MA|TE|LA|SU|pona=false|inline=true}} Cartouche syllables for sound symbols are in all caps. It works for all nimi pu and nimi ku suli except for the sitelen sitelen for ku, since I cannot find it, and the words listed as "nimi weka" in this template [[jan:Immanuelle/nimi_lon_toki_pona]] [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-12-11T11:48:42 (UTC) :The images are not visible / badly visible in dark-mode, this creates an accessibility issue. [[jan:Peter Alfons Loch|Peter Alfons Loch]] ([[jan la toki:Peter Alfons Loch|toki]]) 2025-12-11T11:52:25 (UTC) ::@[[jan:Peter Alfons Loch|Peter Alfons Loch]] is it possible to make the template rendering change based on dark mode vs light mode? It would probably be easiest to have it switch between a white vs black version of the embedded images. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-12-11T11:56:13 (UTC) :::I do not know of such a function, but using a white background can help with this, not forgetting to add white also around the symbol. OR a border in white around the symbol itself. :::After typing this I researched and found this: :::"For skeleton black and white images, it's possible to use the css "skin-invert-image" class, the colors will invert only in [[:en:Wikipedia:Dark_mode|dark mode]], as shown bellow:" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Pictures#Dark_mode [[jan:Peter Alfons Loch|Peter Alfons Loch]] ([[jan la toki:Peter Alfons Loch|toki]]) 2025-12-11T12:06:35 (UTC) ::::I also found that https://tok.wikipedia.org/wiki/nimi:a for example the image on the right does change with dark/light mode, so it may be a good reference to see how it can be achieved. [[jan:Peter Alfons Loch|Peter Alfons Loch]] ([[jan la toki:Peter Alfons Loch|toki]]) 2025-12-11T12:09:12 (UTC) :::::I now see that the mages in your post here are white and not black, i did not even see them before so it seems to work. maybe this should be forwarded to the tok.wiki team so they can do it for all such images used? [[jan:Peter Alfons Loch|Peter Alfons Loch]] ([[jan la toki:Peter Alfons Loch|toki]]) 2025-12-11T12:11:37 (UTC) ::::::@[[jan:Peter Alfons Loch|Peter Alfons Loch]] what do you want me to forward to them? I used the method that you suggested. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-12-11T12:12:41 (UTC) :::::::Well what you applied here on the post could help also with symbols like here on the left the symbol for "pu" https://tok.wikipedia.org/wiki/nimi:a as it has the same issue in dark mode. [[jan:Peter Alfons Loch|Peter Alfons Loch]] ([[jan la toki:Peter Alfons Loch|toki]]) 2025-12-11T12:15:30 (UTC) ::::::::I see you got it! Great [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-12-12T23:52:17 (UTC) == [[jew]] == {{Wikidata|label|raw|linked|Q137763693}} (the [[sitelen pona]] glyph is informally 'assigned' to U+FFB8F by KreativeKorp; ✡ is similar but apparently rotated by a dozenth of a turn) seems to indicate either [[nasin sewi Jajasi]] or [[kulupu Jejusi]]. Especially since it's a rare word and glyph, perhaps usages are various or ambiguous. Is it worth including either as a redirect or a dabpage? — [[jan:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[jan la toki:Arlo Barnes|toki]]) 2026-05-11T01:10:29 (UTC) :I don't think it's actually a toki pona word. It appears in no dictionaries. The source is almost certainly lipamanka's linja sike font, which includes large numbers of inside jokes and glyphs which are not toki pona words, and sitelen seli kiwen, which seems to have indiscriminately included everything from linja sike. Even if it was a word, wikidata links for words not concepts should go to the nimi: namespace. [[jan:Tbodt|Tbodt]] ([[jan la toki:Tbodt|toki]]) 2026-05-11T01:19:42 (UTC) == Non-translated strings found, please translate them! == Ok, some strings aren't translated to Toki Pona still in this wiki. Like: # "Latest comment: <post number> by <name> in topic <topic>" # "Get started here! Click on your username to visit your homepage." # the messages when you hover over the "Create Account" / "Login" buttons. # "Welcome to lipu Wikipesija (Welcome to Wikipedia in normal English). Anyone can edit, and every improvement helps. Thank you for helping the world discover more!" # "You do not have any watchlist labels." # "Wikidata entities used in this page" # "This site is protected by hCaptcha and its Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply." And many others. Thank you! [[jan:MihaiTokiPona|MihaiTokiPona]] ([[jan la toki:MihaiTokiPona|toki]]) 2026-06-03T17:23:33 (UTC) :Oops, I meant "Latest comment: <nowiki><time> by <name> in topic <topic>"</nowiki> [[jan:MihaiTokiPona|MihaiTokiPona]] ([[jan la toki:MihaiTokiPona|toki]]) 2026-06-03T17:50:13 (UTC) ==Where are all of the project pages/homepage? How do I get started here?== Basically what the title says. I speak OK Toki Pona, but I can't find a homepage or directory or anything! Also, is there a possibility this site will get sitelen pona at some point? [[jan:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[jan la toki:VidanaliK|toki]]) 2026-07-17T00:13:02 (UTC) kvn5eukp7whzyisxm4ymohqfo87t9jv 69599 69596 2026-07-17T01:26:27Z Modahabbab 293 /* Where are all of the project pages/homepage? How do I get started here? */ toki sin 69599 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{/toki open}} ==Start== I hope I am not being disruptive here, but I wanted to ask about the Toki Pona wikipedia, but I do not know how to speak Toki Pona. My first question is do you have any page that is a list of words. One that could be linked to wikidata with the [[:en:List of Toki Pona words]] page. I think this is a standard page all wikipedia projects have, so I apologize if it already exists elsewhere. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T08:06:26 (UTC) :I really want to help out with wikidata linking as much as I can. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T08:07:08 (UTC) :Hello! I've moved this over to the other-languages talk page we created previously. Pinging [[jan:Immanuelle]] just in case this is necessary to get the reply after moving the discussion. :As far as I can tell we don't have an article with a list of words. We do have a category [[:kulupu:nimi]] though. [[jan:Tbodt|Tbodt]] ([[jan la toki:Tbodt|toki]]) 2025-11-28T08:37:47 (UTC) ::Thank you! I am working on connecting the individual words to their wikimedia commons categories! [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T08:40:28 (UTC) :::The first conflict I am getting is that [[commons:Category:Kijetesantakalu]] could correspond to either [[nimi:kijetesantakalu]] or [[kijetesantakalu]]. So I am gonna not connect it until we make a decision on it. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T09:15:45 (UTC) ::::The nimi namespace is morally equivalent to wiktionary (and in fact allows words from any language). Does that help? [[jan:Tbodt|Tbodt]] ([[jan la toki:Tbodt|toki]]) 2025-11-28T09:46:15 (UTC) :::::That is helpful. I made my decision. [[kijetesantakalu]] is the more important one to link. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T09:49:32 (UTC) ::::::So will the namespace eventually eng up moved to toki pona wiktionary? [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T11:46:20 (UTC) :::::::I would like to do that eventually [[jan:Tbodt|Tbodt]] ([[jan la toki:Tbodt|toki]]) 2025-11-28T16:56:13 (UTC) == Shinto == I found the article on Shinto here: [[nasin sewi Sinto]]. Do you have any articles on shrines or kami? [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T09:55:38 (UTC) :Made one for Kami! [[kon Kami]]. [[jan:Retsamys|jan Ke Tami]] ([[jan la toki:Retsamys|toki]]) 2025-11-28T11:11:29 (UTC) ::So I am guessing that [[:en:Amaterasu]] would come out as [[jan sewi Amatelasu]]. If we want to use the honorifics then [[jan sewi Amatelasu Ōmikami]] [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T12:36:13 (UTC) == Interwiki bot == I hope that you have an interwiki bot. I have been trying to link things by leaving suggestions as <nowiki>[[en:TITLE]]</nowiki> I hope this will give you a bit of time to see what I am suggesting and not have to deal with disconnecting and reconnecting to wikidata since it will take a few days to go into effect. On some pages like [[tonsi]] I was not sure about what would fit. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T11:01:17 (UTC) :I'd say the best link to an English concept would be "non-binary". Thanks for all the work you put into this! [[jan:Retsamys|jan Ke Tami]] ([[jan la toki:Retsamys|toki]]) 2025-11-28T11:13:25 (UTC) ::You're very welcome! [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T11:28:12 (UTC) :not sure what you mean by "take a few days to go into effect", i've been linking on wikidata and it's been showing up here pretty quickly :in fact i just linked [[selo pi poka tu wan]] through [https://wikidata-todo.toolforge.org/duplicity/ Duplicity] and it showed up in like 15 seconds? [[jan:.hecko|.hecko]] ([[jan la toki:.hecko|toki]]) 2025-11-28T14:51:45 (UTC) ::I meant the method I use, which involves an interwiki bot. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T22:33:52 (UTC) == Suggested pages == Is there a suggested pages thing somewhere? Looking at a lot of the pages, @[[jan:So Sinjo~wikipesija.org|So Sinjo~wikipesija.org]] I think you might be interested in making articles for these three letters. * [[Ꙫ]] [[:simple:Binocular O]] * [[ꙩ]] [[:simple:Monocular O]] * [[ꙭ]] [[:simple:Double monocular O]] [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T12:34:28 (UTC) == Are we gonna implement sitelen pona on this wiki == I would like to see an ability to read the wiki in Sitelen Pona someday similar to how Old English wikipedia lets you read in runes. Is this being planned? [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T13:16:39 (UTC) :Yeah people constantly ask for it. It's hard to do automatically though. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T398755 [[jan:Tbodt|Tbodt]] ([[jan la toki:Tbodt|toki]]) 2025-11-28T16:55:23 (UTC) ::I think I have an idea. It seems like loanwords are always capitalized right? So we could have the sound symbols show up based on the capitalization. Would you be interested in me working on parsing for this, or do you already have an established library? [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T23:20:53 (UTC) :::It technically doesn't matter what glyphs to use in a cartouche, for names. There's 4-ish fonts that automatically convert any capitalised word into a cartouche - it'll be easier to read a text if the cartouche stays the same throughout the text, which isn't what the fonts typically do (although it can be done by limiting what can go in the cartouche in the first place). :::All that is to say, we don't necessarily have to worry about converting every name manually. Using one cartouche, consistently, can already work. And we could, then, adapt them for cartouches we want more specifically. :::Also, this only works with properly tokiponised names. Names that have foreign characters might not mix well with the rest of the cartouche or not show up at all, depending on the font. [[jan:Retsamys|jan Ke Tami]] ([[jan la toki:Retsamys|toki]]) 2025-11-29T00:08:40 (UTC) ::::What’s the word we use for cartouche? Do we have an article on it? [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T02:19:10 (UTC) :::::[[sitelen pona]] - which should probably be expanded, otherwise describing what the cartouche is? Well, poki, selo and nimi are useful words here. There's no single way to refer to it. [[jan:Retsamys|jan Ke Tami]] ([[jan la toki:Retsamys|toki]]) 2025-11-29T11:53:36 (UTC) ::::::Here in my sandbox I have a list of the sitelen pona sitelen sitelen and their words if that is what you meant by the expansion [[jan:Immanuelle/sandbox]] [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T12:06:16 (UTC) :::::::No, I meant the article is short. [[jan:Retsamys|jan Ke Tami]] ([[jan la toki:Retsamys|toki]]) 2025-11-29T12:15:02 (UTC) == How competent in toki pona do we need to be to start writing articles == I really do not want to cause problems with article quality, but I want to start working on [[jan:Immanuelle/jan sewi Amatelasu Omikami]]. Would you be supportive of me doing this or opposed. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T23:35:34 (UTC) :{{jan|Tamzin}} wrote a self assessment for just this purpose. Try it and let me know what you think: [[pali:mi toki pona anu seme?|mi toki pona anu seme?]] [[jan:Tbodt|Tbodt]] ([[jan la toki:Tbodt|toki]]) 2025-11-28T23:45:22 (UTC) ::I am in open sona. And I presume someone at that level can add images or correct years and such, just not change sentences. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T23:47:45 (UTC) :::Yeah, more or less. [[jan:Tbodt|Tbodt]] ([[jan la toki:Tbodt|toki]]) 2025-11-28T23:49:38 (UTC) ::::Would it be cool to try to write some userspace drafts though? [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T23:57:53 (UTC) :::::Perfectly fine imo. [[jan:Retsamys|jan Ke Tami]] ([[jan la toki:Retsamys|toki]]) 2025-11-29T00:12:09 (UTC) ::::::I’ll do template work too. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T00:50:50 (UTC) == Notability for conlangs == I see a lot of conlang wiki articles. What is our notability policy for them? Can we just make articles on any conlang? [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-28T23:36:51 (UTC) : We have no written notability policy, like most Wikipedias. The informal pan-Wikipedia notability policy is something like [[:en:WP:GNG]], but less strict on what "significant" and "reliable" mean, and often with some deference to topics that are particularly relevant to the language community. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:courier;"> -- [[jan:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">wan Tansin</span>]]</span>^{[''[[jan la toki:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">pi sijelo Tamzin</span>]]'']} 2025-11-29T08:22:36 (UTC) : Related thread: [[d:user talk:Emu#undeletion request]] — [[jan:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[jan la toki:Arlo Barnes|toki]]) 2025-12-02T14:15:52 (UTC) :I recently learned that even the toki pona article has been discussed to be deleted in the past. (see [[:en:Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Toki_Pona|here]]). So it seems that people care about notability of a conlang to some extent. Note that this discussion is several years old and policies about article deletions etc. might have changed since then. [[jan:JLapi|JLapi]] ([[jan la toki:JLapi|toki]]) 2025-12-09T09:43:26 (UTC) ::that's for the english wikipedia, we can have different notability guidelines to some extent ::also that's not "several" years old it's 20 years old, and the main thing that changed since then wasn't the guidelines becoming looser (if anything i feel like they're stricter) but ''toki pona itself'' becoming more notable :p ~[[jan:.hecko|poni Kita]] ([[jan la toki:.hecko|toki]]) 2025-12-09T16:39:34 (UTC) == Deleting improper imports == I tried to manually copy over some templates so I could make an equivalent of this simple english wikipedia template [[:simple:Template:Toki_Pona_Words]] but I did not do it properly. Can you delete [[kipisi:Hlist/styles.css]] [[Module:Navbox/styles.css]] [[Module:Navbox/configuration]] and [[Module:Navbox]]. I hope we get a navbox template so this can work in the future, but it is well beyond my abilities, and I think case sensitivity might make things not work the same on this wiki. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T08:08:33 (UTC) :@[[jan:Tamzin|Tamzin]] I am so so sorry. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T08:13:26 (UTC) ::No worries. It's a couple button-presses in [[Special:Nuke]]. In the future, if you'd like to import something, please ask an admin rather than copy-pasting. Thanks! <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:courier;"> -- [[jan:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">wan Tansin</span>]]</span>^{[''[[jan la toki:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">pi sijelo Tamzin</span>]]'']} 2025-11-29T08:20:06 (UTC) :::@[[jan:Tansin|Tansin]] thank you so much. I decided to make the same template with just a regular table. Here it is [[jan:Immanuelle/List of Toki Pona words]]. Do you think this is something suitable for being used here? [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T08:28:54 (UTC) ::::Anyways I would like to import [[:en:Template:ill]] [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T09:05:07 (UTC) :::::I'm not sure that that would be noncontroversial. Usually, small wikis directing traffic toward big wikis is counterproductive, since it keeps people from creating links locally. We do already have {{kipisi|lipu li ala}}, which is like ILL except that it uses a Wikidata ID. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:courier;"> -- [[jan:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">wan Tansin</span>]]</span>^{[''[[jan la toki:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">pi sijelo Tamzin</span>]]'']} 2025-11-29T09:33:46 (UTC) ::::::That is good. Better than an ill even. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T09:42:06 (UTC) :::::::Here's a transclusion of the template I made with all the words :::::::{{jan:Immanuelle/List of Toki Pona words}} [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T10:03:38 (UTC) If it is good I would like to move it to [[kipisi:nimi lon toki pona]].[[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T10:20:39 (UTC) :I updated the template. Does anyone have thoughts on it now? [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-12-03T06:10:35 (UTC) ::Hm I think my thoughts are this is a weird way to organize an encyclopedia. Practically speaking, all of these single-word-title articles are likely to become disambiguation pages in time. This approach would be more suited for the word definition pages. [[jan:Tbodt|Tbodt]] ([[jan la toki:Tbodt|toki]]) 2025-12-03T06:19:19 (UTC) :::@[[jan:Tbodt|Tbodt]] this one has both the definitions and the articles. Article is first and the sitelen pona is the definition. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-12-03T06:21:16 (UTC) ::::But already [[a]] and [[n] do not link to the expected places. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-12-03T06:22:24 (UTC) ::::ah, I didn't notice. It's really surprising and unexpected for a word written normally and the sitelen pona to be different links - it's just the same word written twice, they should be one link together. I'm firmly on the side of it's only really useful to have definition links. [[jan:Tbodt|Tbodt]] ([[jan la toki:Tbodt|toki]]) 2025-12-03T06:24:18 (UTC) :::::@[[jan:Tbodt|Tbodt]] I changed it using a template, and just dictionary link. Do you think that it is now good enough to move out of userspace? [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-12-12T23:48:52 (UTC) == I created a template and I wonder if it will be good enough for mainspace == I made this template [[jan:Immanuelle/List of Toki Pona words]] and would want to move it to [[kipisi:nimi lon toki pona]], but I am neither autoconfirmed, nor confident that I got things right. Does anyone want to check the template and move it to mainspace if it is good enough? [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T10:49:31 (UTC) :I would prefer feedback from the community first. There's a few stylistic issues in this (uppercase letters; "nimi lon toki pona", which is not-incorrect but not I think how most people would phrase it), but also broader questions of if this is how we want to present this information, what non-ku-suli words (if any) should be listed, and whether this is something we want linking to the main namespace or the ''nimi'' namespace. Perhaps {{jan|Juwan}} has thoughts. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:courier;"> -- [[jan:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">wan Tansin</span>]]</span>^{[''[[jan la toki:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">pi sijelo Tamzin</span>]]'']} 2025-11-29T11:11:28 (UTC) ::giving my two cents, I would prefer to go with the Linku categories, similar to what sona pona does (see [https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Template:Words Template:Words]). styliscally, the navbox is also way too tall, it can easily be compressed down without losing navigability. [[jan:Juwan|Juwan]] ([[jan la toki:Juwan|toki]]) 2025-11-29T11:17:36 (UTC) :::And as for being more of a proper navbox. I did it this way since we do not have [[Template:Navbox]] imported from enwiki, and you can see what I did on simplewiki here [[:simple:Template:Toki_Pona_Words]]. Had an earlier revision using it [https://tok.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=jan:Immanuelle/List_of_Toki_Pona_words&action=edit&oldid=52109 here] but I had import troubles. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T11:21:33 (UTC) ::::And as for my opinions on nimi vs mainspace. I think mainspace is better because it helps us understand the concepts being combined. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T11:23:43 (UTC) == ijo Tewa vs sewi Tewa == I found the page [[ijo Tewa]] and while I am 100% limited in my intuition, I would expect it should be [[sewi Tewa]]. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T11:13:04 (UTC) :As currently written it should probably be ''nimi'', actually. But I'm not sure that's the best way to frame the article... [[:en:Deva (Hinduism)|enwiki]] tries to sidestep the use/mention distinction too, though, so idk. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:courier;"> -- [[jan:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">wan Tansin</span>]]</span>^{[''[[jan la toki:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">pi sijelo Tamzin</span>]]'']} 2025-11-29T11:16:31 (UTC) ::I personally think renaming the article to something like "sewi pi nasin sewi Intu" might be a good way to go about it. It also bypasses the fact that deva is the male term, while a female one is called a devi. ::<span style="font-family:Cambria">pona o tawa sina! mi [[jan:Babelball|<span style="color:#ACE1AF">kisa Papesike</span>]]. o toki tawa mi lon [[jan la toki:Babelball|<span style="color:#AFB4DB">ni</span>]].</span> 2026-01-20T22:26:27 (UTC) == Import request == Can we import [[:en:Template:infobox religious building]] some parts are already here under their own names. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-29T15:01:00 (UTC) :Do we want to have the same proliferation of niche infobox templates that enwiki has? That does not seem very ''pona''. My initial attitude here is that I'm only comfortable using this page (which by its nature excludes many toki pona speakers, since not all speak English) for uncontroversial things; I would rather a discussion at [[pali:tomo toki]] before actioning something like this. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:courier;"> -- [[jan:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">wan Tansin</span>]]</span>^{[''[[jan la toki:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">pi sijelo Tamzin</span>]]'']} 2025-11-29T15:03:20 (UTC) == Sitelinks == Hi [[jan:Immanuelle]], I noticed you did a lot of sitelinking on Wikidata. Unfortunately when I started looking I found a number of obvious mistakes (for example, linking the End Poem article to Julian Gough.) I'd like to ask you to hold off on helping with sitelinking. [[jan:Tbodt|Tbodt]] ([[jan la toki:Tbodt|toki]]) 2025-11-30T03:00:37 (UTC) :I will hold off on it. I apologize for that. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-11-30T03:02:11 (UTC) ::I want to confirm that this one [[tomo wawa pi ma tomo Pukusima]] is [[:en:Fukushima nuclear accident]] [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-12-09T08:55:16 (UTC) :::@[[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]: No, it's [[:en:Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant]]. Like Tbodt said, please just leave this to proficient speakers. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:courier;"> -- [[jan:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">wan Tansin</span>]]</span>^{[<nowiki/>[[jan la toki:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">&#123;&#123;jan&#124;Tamzin&#125;&#125;</span>]]]} 2025-12-09T08:57:17 (UTC) ::you don't seem to have held off on it, judging by [[wikidata:Q137374997|Q137374997]] and its children (toki pona words), whose existence is iffy at best ::our "nimi" namespace is most equivalent to scots wikipedia's "define" namespace, which [[wikidata:WD:NEC|WD:NEC]] says is ineligible because it's pretty much wiktionary and wiktionary has its own crosslinking system ::buuut admittedly it's one guy saying that, and the crosslinking system isn't there for non-wiktionaries currently, and even if there were it'd just link to the main page and not the appendix page, and idk if one can do classic interlanguage links across wikis (though one ''could'' do regular links), ::that being said these items are probably gonna get removed by somepony at some point, i'm sorry to say ~[[jan:.hecko|poni Kita]] ([[jan la toki:.hecko|toki]]) 2025-12-14T00:13:31 (UTC) :::I did not take the nimi namespace as applying for this, since they are relatively unambiguous and not requiring comprehension and the main purpose is to connect the nimi items to the commons categories for their representations in sitelen pona and sitelen sitelen. :::Also yes they are connected to english wiktionary. I am not sure how a nimi to toki pona wiktionary migration would work. But I think this was a useful task. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-12-14T00:23:32 (UTC) ::::I would argue that the fact there are commons categories for all of them means the items are more important than the scots wikipedia one. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-12-14T00:47:02 (UTC) ==[[kipisi:hlist/sona]]== Could someone translate this into toki pona? [[jan:Sapphaline|Sapphaline]] ([[jan la toki:Sapphaline|toki]]) 2025-12-02T09:07:34 (UTC) :[[special:diff/53544|Done]], thanks [https://tok.wikipedia.org/wiki/jan:Retsamys Retsamys]! [[jan:Sapphaline|Sapphaline]] ([[jan la toki:Sapphaline|toki]]) 2025-12-02T15:21:34 (UTC) == I made a template to show words in sitelen pona or sitelen sitelen == I made a template [[kipisi:sitelen]] to display text in sitelen pona or sitelen sitelen <br> {{sitelen|jan|sewi|suli|A|MA|TE|LA|SU|pona=true|inline=true}}<br> {{sitelen|jan|sewi|suli|A|MA|TE|LA|SU|pona=false|inline=true}} Cartouche syllables for sound symbols are in all caps. It works for all nimi pu and nimi ku suli except for the sitelen sitelen for ku, since I cannot find it, and the words listed as "nimi weka" in this template [[jan:Immanuelle/nimi_lon_toki_pona]] [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-12-11T11:48:42 (UTC) :The images are not visible / badly visible in dark-mode, this creates an accessibility issue. [[jan:Peter Alfons Loch|Peter Alfons Loch]] ([[jan la toki:Peter Alfons Loch|toki]]) 2025-12-11T11:52:25 (UTC) ::@[[jan:Peter Alfons Loch|Peter Alfons Loch]] is it possible to make the template rendering change based on dark mode vs light mode? It would probably be easiest to have it switch between a white vs black version of the embedded images. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-12-11T11:56:13 (UTC) :::I do not know of such a function, but using a white background can help with this, not forgetting to add white also around the symbol. OR a border in white around the symbol itself. :::After typing this I researched and found this: :::"For skeleton black and white images, it's possible to use the css "skin-invert-image" class, the colors will invert only in [[:en:Wikipedia:Dark_mode|dark mode]], as shown bellow:" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Pictures#Dark_mode [[jan:Peter Alfons Loch|Peter Alfons Loch]] ([[jan la toki:Peter Alfons Loch|toki]]) 2025-12-11T12:06:35 (UTC) ::::I also found that https://tok.wikipedia.org/wiki/nimi:a for example the image on the right does change with dark/light mode, so it may be a good reference to see how it can be achieved. [[jan:Peter Alfons Loch|Peter Alfons Loch]] ([[jan la toki:Peter Alfons Loch|toki]]) 2025-12-11T12:09:12 (UTC) :::::I now see that the mages in your post here are white and not black, i did not even see them before so it seems to work. maybe this should be forwarded to the tok.wiki team so they can do it for all such images used? [[jan:Peter Alfons Loch|Peter Alfons Loch]] ([[jan la toki:Peter Alfons Loch|toki]]) 2025-12-11T12:11:37 (UTC) ::::::@[[jan:Peter Alfons Loch|Peter Alfons Loch]] what do you want me to forward to them? I used the method that you suggested. [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-12-11T12:12:41 (UTC) :::::::Well what you applied here on the post could help also with symbols like here on the left the symbol for "pu" https://tok.wikipedia.org/wiki/nimi:a as it has the same issue in dark mode. [[jan:Peter Alfons Loch|Peter Alfons Loch]] ([[jan la toki:Peter Alfons Loch|toki]]) 2025-12-11T12:15:30 (UTC) ::::::::I see you got it! Great [[jan:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[jan la toki:Immanuelle|toki]]) 2025-12-12T23:52:17 (UTC) == [[jew]] == {{Wikidata|label|raw|linked|Q137763693}} (the [[sitelen pona]] glyph is informally 'assigned' to U+FFB8F by KreativeKorp; ✡ is similar but apparently rotated by a dozenth of a turn) seems to indicate either [[nasin sewi Jajasi]] or [[kulupu Jejusi]]. Especially since it's a rare word and glyph, perhaps usages are various or ambiguous. Is it worth including either as a redirect or a dabpage? — [[jan:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[jan la toki:Arlo Barnes|toki]]) 2026-05-11T01:10:29 (UTC) :I don't think it's actually a toki pona word. It appears in no dictionaries. The source is almost certainly lipamanka's linja sike font, which includes large numbers of inside jokes and glyphs which are not toki pona words, and sitelen seli kiwen, which seems to have indiscriminately included everything from linja sike. Even if it was a word, wikidata links for words not concepts should go to the nimi: namespace. [[jan:Tbodt|Tbodt]] ([[jan la toki:Tbodt|toki]]) 2026-05-11T01:19:42 (UTC) == Non-translated strings found, please translate them! == Ok, some strings aren't translated to Toki Pona still in this wiki. Like: # "Latest comment: <post number> by <name> in topic <topic>" # "Get started here! Click on your username to visit your homepage." # the messages when you hover over the "Create Account" / "Login" buttons. # "Welcome to lipu Wikipesija (Welcome to Wikipedia in normal English). Anyone can edit, and every improvement helps. Thank you for helping the world discover more!" # "You do not have any watchlist labels." # "Wikidata entities used in this page" # "This site is protected by hCaptcha and its Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply." And many others. Thank you! [[jan:MihaiTokiPona|MihaiTokiPona]] ([[jan la toki:MihaiTokiPona|toki]]) 2026-06-03T17:23:33 (UTC) :Oops, I meant "Latest comment: <nowiki><time> by <name> in topic <topic>"</nowiki> [[jan:MihaiTokiPona|MihaiTokiPona]] ([[jan la toki:MihaiTokiPona|toki]]) 2026-06-03T17:50:13 (UTC) ==Where are all of the project pages/homepage? How do I get started here?== Basically what the title says. I speak OK Toki Pona, but I can't find a homepage or directory or anything! Also, is there a possibility this site will get sitelen pona at some point? [[jan:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[jan la toki:VidanaliK|toki]]) 2026-07-17T00:13:02 (UTC) :Hi! I'm not very familiar with the terms but if by a homepage you mean the main page or the teahouse/forum, then those can be found at [[lipu open]] and [[pali:tomo toki]] respectively. As for the sitelen pona question, the answer is usually that it's unlikely but possible. [[jan:Modahabbab|Modahabbab]] ([[jan la toki:Modahabbab|toki]]) 2026-07-17T01:26:27 (UTC) ezy76o01508h1bpxrjw6lxrtlc6qp33 2 11056 69600 67939 2026-07-17T02:13:51Z Jan Imon 5833 /* */ 69600 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#babel:tok-3|en-N}}[[nasin nanpa pona]] li ike, o kepeken [[sitelen nanpa Alapi (ma ali)|sitelen nanpa Alapi]] [[nasin nanpa poki|nasin nanpa sike]] pi nanpa 6 (anu nasin Seximal) li nasin nanpa wan, (mi kepeken nasin ni tawa lipu mi) nasin ante pona li nanpa 23 li nanpa 320 [[:en:User:Jan Imon|lipu jan pi toki Inli/English page]] t01ixy9iyiy0r75v2khchzch8ev0ctr 0 11768 69601 67615 2026-07-17T03:44:37Z Talun523 3498 69601 wikitext text/x-wiki [[sitelen:07 Multitasking Demo.jpg|thumb|sitelen ni la, ilo Linu Ansiku li tawa.]] ilo Linu Ansiku li [[ilo kon lawa]] li [[ilo Linu]] li tan [[ilo Linu Tepijan]]. ona li ken tawa lon ilo sona pi wawa ala. kin la, ona li ken kepeken e ilo ale pi ilo Linu Tepijan. == nasin kepeken == jan li wile e ilo Linu Ansiku kepeken nasin 3.<ref>{{tan sona|linja=https://antixlinux.com/download/|tan=Download – antiX Linux|tenpo lukin=2026-07-17}}</ref> * '''ale (Full).''' ni li jo e [[ilo kon]] mute mute lon tenpo open. ona li ken sitelen e sitelen kepeken. jan li wile ala kama jo e ilo. * '''meso (Base).''' ni li jo e ilo mute lon tenpo open. jan li kama jo e ilo mute la, jan li pali pona e ilo Linu Ansiku. * '''lili mute (Core-libre).''' ni li jo e ilo pi lili mute taso. taso, jan li pali pona mute e ona. open ona la, jan li kepeken e nasin sitelen taso. == tenpo pini == tenpo sike nanpa 2007 la, ilo Linu Ansiku li kama lon. {| class="wikitable sortable" !nanpa ilo !nimi ona pi kulupu pali !tenpo sike en tenpo mun |- |6.5 |Spartacus |2007 7 |- |7.0 |Lysistrata |2007 10 |- |7.2 |Vetëvendosje |2008 5 |- |7.5 |Toussaint Louverture |2008 8 |- |8.0 |Intifada! |2009 2 |- |8.2 |Tȟašúŋke Witkó |2009 7 |- |8.5 |Marek Edelman |2010 4 |- |M11 |Jayaben Desai |2011 5 |- |12 |Edelweißpiraten |2012 8 |- |13 |Luddite |2013 7 |- |MX-14.4 |Symbiosis |2015 3 |- |15 |Killah P |2015 6 |- |MX-15 |Fusion |2015 12 |- |16 |Berta Cáceres |2016 6 |- |17 |Heather Heyer |2017 10 |- |17.1 |Heather Heyer |2018 3 |- |17.2 |Helen Keller |2018 10 |- |17.4.1 |Helen Keller |2019 3 |- |17.5 |Helen Keller |2022 1 |- |19 |Marielle Franco |2019 10 |- |19.1 | |2019 12 |- |19.2 |Hannie Schaft |2020 3 |- |19.3 |Manolis Glezos |2020 10 |- |19.4 |Grup Yorum |2021 5 |- |19.5 |Grup Yorum |2022 1 |- |21 |Grup Yorum |2021 10 |- |22 |Grup Yorum |2022 10 |- |23 |Arditi del Popolo |2023 8 |- |26 |Stephen Kapos |2026 3 |} == linja tawa == * [https://antixlinux.com/ipu&#x20;pi&#x20;ilo&#x20;Linu&#x20;Ansiku lipu pi ilo Linu Ansiku](toki inli) == tan sona == [[kulupu:ilo kon lawa]] [[kulupu:ilo kon pi len ala]] [[kulupu:ilo Linu]] 28pg8lxic7hj5usohpbl8fk0ixm79qx 0 12263 69595 69563 2026-07-16T21:55:34Z Film2860 2358 o pona e sitelen 69595 wikitext text/x-wiki '''nasin pi toki tu wan''' ([[toki Inli]]: syllogism, [[toki weka Elena]]: συλλογισμός, syllogismos, 'toki pini; toki pi pali lon') li [[toki pi tan lon]] kepeken [[pali pi lon kiwen]] tawa [[toki pi tawa lon| toki pini]] tan [[toki pi jo lon | toki]] lon tu. sama ni: jan sona e toki "jan ali li ken moli" (toki open suli) e toki "[[jan Sokate]] li jan" (toki open lili) la, jan li ken sona e ni: jan Sokate li ken moli. nasin li sitelen e linja tu wan ni: <blockquote><poem> jan ali li ken moli la; jan Sokete li jan la; tan ni la, jan Sokate li ken moli. </poem></blockquote> tenpo weka la, nasin tu li lon: [[nasin pi alasa sona | nasin toki pi jan Alitotele]] en [[nasin Sotowa| nasin toki pi nasin Sotowa]] == kule == nasin pi toki tu wan li jo e toki tu wan ni: toki open tu en toki pini. kule noke pi nasin toki li ni: ''nasin toki kule'' en ''[[nasin toki pilin]]'' en ''[[nasin toki tu]]'' == kule lili pi nasin toki kule == nasin toki kule li jo e sijelo ni (I - toki insa, L - toki lawa, P - toki pali): :'''toki open suli''': I ale li P. :'''toki open lili''': L ale li I. :'''toki pini''': S ale li P. toki open en toki pini li ken jo e sijelo ni: A anu E anu I anu O (o lukin e lipu anpa). {| class="wikitable" |- ! nimi !! toki lawa !! toki mute !! toki linja !! toki pali !! kule !! sama |- | A|| L|| ali|| li || P || pona ale || jan ali li ken moli. |- | E|| L || li lon ala || li || P || weka ale || jan li lon ala li ale pona |- | I|| L || li lon || li || P || pona lon || jan li lon li jo sijelo pona. |- | O|| L || li lon || li || P ala || weka lon || jan li lon li ike ala. |} lon lipu ''[[:en:Prior_Analytics|Prior Analytics]]'' la, jan Alitotele li pali e sitelen A, B, C (sitelen Elena Alupa, Wita, Kanma). lipu anpa ni li jo e sijelo e sitelen lili e sama pi nasin lon. {| class="wikitable" |- ! sijelo !! sitelen lili !! nasin lon |- | A ali li B || AaB || <math>\forall x. A(x) \rightarrow B(x)</math> ''anu'' <math>\neg \exist x. A(x) \land \neg B(x)</math> |- |A li lon ala li B ||AeB || <math>\neg \exist x. A(x) \land B(x)</math> ''anu'' <math>\forall x. A(x) \rightarrow \neg B(x)</math> |- |A li lon li B ||AiB || <math>\exist x. A(x) \land B(x)</math> |- |A li lon li B ala||AoB|| <math>\exist x. A(x) \land \neg B(x)</math> |} sijelo toki pi toki pini li L-P la, sijelo toki 4 li ni: {| class="wikitable" | !sijelo #1 !sijelo #2 !sijelo #3 !sijelo #4 |- !toki open suli |I-P |P-I |I-P |P-I |- !toki open lili |L-I |L-I |I-L |I-L |} sijelo lon pi nasin toki kule li ni: {| class="wikitable" !sijelo #1 !sijelo #2 !sijelo #3 !sijelo #4 |- |P'''a'''p'''a'''l'''a''' |K'''e'''s'''a'''l'''e''' |T'''a'''s'''i'''s'''i''' |K'''a'''l'''e'''m'''e''' |- |K'''e'''l'''a'''l'''e''' |K'''a'''m'''e'''t'''e''' |S'''i'''s'''a'''m'''i''' |S'''i'''m'''a'''t'''i''' |- |T'''a'''l'''i'''w'''i''' |P'''e'''s'''i'''n'''o''' |P'''e'''l'''i'''s'''o'''n |P'''e'''s'''i'''s'''o'''n |- |P'''e'''l'''i'''j'''o''' |P'''a'''l'''o'''k'''o''' |P'''o'''k'''a'''t'''o''' |''K'''a'''l'''e'''m'''o''''' |- |''P'''a'''p'''a'''l'''i''''' |''K'''e'''s'''a'''l'''o''''' |''P'''e'''l'''a'''t'''o'''n'' |''P'''e'''s'''a'''p'''o''''' |- |''K'''e'''l'''a'''l'''o''''' |''K'''a'''m'''e'''t'''o''''' |''T'''a'''l'''a'''s'''i''''' |''P'''a'''m'''a'''l'''i''''' |} === sama ni: === ==== sijelo Papala (AAA-1) ==== {{SyllogismSentences|jan ale li ken moli. (IaP)|jan Elina ali li jan. (LaI)|jan Elina ali li ken moli. (LaP)}} ==== sijelo Kelale (EAE-1) ==== sama: sijelo Kesale (EAE-2){{SyllogismSentences|akesi li lon ala li jo e linja sijelo. (IeP)|akesi linja ali li akesi. (LaI)|akesi linja li lon ala li jo e linja sijelo. (LeP)}} ==== sijelo Taliwi (AII-1) ==== sama: Tasisi (AII-3){{SyllogismSentences|kijetesantakalu ali li jo e linja sijelo. (IaP)|soweli li lon li kijetesantakalu. (LiI)|soweli li lon li jo e linja sijelo. (LaP)}} ==== sijelo Pelijo (EIO-1) ==== sama: sijelo Pesino (EIO-2), sijelo Pelison (EIO-3), sijelo Pesison (EIO-4){{SyllogismSentences|pali li lon ala li musi. (IeP)|lukin sitelen li lon li pali. (LiI)|lukin sitelen li lon li musi ala. (LoP)}} ==== sijelo Paloko (AOO-2) ==== {{SyllogismSentences|soweli lili li lon li soweli tomo ala. (IoP)|soweli lili ali li soweli. (IoL)|soweli li lon li soweli tomo ala. (LoP)}} 8bpph5g67f10kstmc86azllfbnly89x 2 12269 69597 2026-07-17T00:20:52Z VidanaliK 3711 mi pali e lipu sin li pana e toki ni: "Mi pona e lipu Wikipesia lon toki pona tenpo ni la mi wile jo lipu jan en toki pona. Mi jo ala tenpo tawa pali e ni." 69597 wikitext text/x-wiki Mi pona e lipu Wikipesia lon toki pona tenpo ni la mi wile jo lipu jan en toki pona. Mi jo ala tenpo tawa pali e ni. btujiao4ofxlfzsf1hifdi19nlw955x 0 12270 69602 2026-07-17T04:16:00Z Talun523 3498 mi pali e sin 69602 wikitext text/x-wiki {{poki sona ma|nimi ma=ma Pukuwi|nimi mama=福井県|ma=ma kipisi|len ma=[[sitelen:Flag of Fukui Prefecture.svg|110px]]|sitelen lawa=[[sitelen:Emblem of Fukui Prefecture.svg|80px]]|ma tomo lawa=ma tomo Pukuwi|ma suli=ma Nijon|toki lawa=toki Nijon|suli ma=km² 4,190.56|mute jan=jan 724,385|ISO 3166=JP-18}} '''ma Pukuwi''' li [[ma kipisi]] lon [[ma Nijon]]. ma tomo lawa ona li ma tomo Pukuwi. == ma == ona li lon poka [[ma Isikawa]] en [[ma Kipu]] en [[ma Sika]] en [[ma Kijoto]] en [[telo suli Nijon]]. == mute jan == ma Pukuwi li jo e jan lili taso tan ni: [[nena ma]] li lon mute mute. mute jan la, ma Pukuwi li nanpa 43 tan ma 47.<ref>ni li tan https://www.stat.go.jp/data/kokusei/2025/kekka/pdf/summary.pdf. mi lukin e ona lon tenpo sike nanpa 2026.</ref> == pali ilo == ma tomo Sapaje li pali e [[ilo oko]] mute. == pali kasi == pali kasi la, ma Pukuwi li pali mute e [[pan palisa lili]]. [[pan Kosiwikali]] li tan ma Pukuwi li tawa ma mute.<ref>{{tan sona|toki tan=ja|linja=https://www.asahi.com/articles/ASS5F0CCJS5FPGJB004M.html?iref=ogimage_rek|tan=コシヒカリ発祥の地、ここだよ！ 意地も支える新進「いちほまれ」：朝日新聞|tenpo=2024-05-15|tenpo lukin=2026-07-17}}</ref> == tan sona == [[kulupu:ma Nijon]] ejvbdbogxzpdizlqnfp6jhtkce48w2a