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[Επεξεργασία] Άνω Πορόια
I'll translate it in brief but in English cause it's easier for me
Upper Poroy is a village in Aegean Macedonia, Greece, Nomos Serres, Dimos Kerkini, with 1 529 inhabitants.
The village is located 55 km NW form Ser (Serres) and 30 km west form Valovista (Sidirocastro) in a beautiful valley on the southern slopes of Belasitsa (Beles or Kerkin) at 380 m above the sea level. South of Upper Poroy is the Butkovo lake (Kerkini).
History
In 19 C Upper Poroy is one of the biggest villages or in fact a small town in Demirhisar kaza of Serres sanjak. It's inhabitants - mainly Bulgarians and Vlachs - lived mainly on agriculture (tobacco, flax, cotton, barley, rye and so on), silkworm-breeding and trade. For its wealth the village was called Kyuchuk Stamboul (the Small Istanbul).
In "Ethnographie des vilayets d'Adrianople, de Monastir et de Salonique", Constantinople 1878 Upper Poroy is mentioned as a village with 320 households with 1 000 Bulgarian inhabitants and 60 Vlachs. According to Vassil Kanchoff in 1891 the village has 3 churches - 2 Bulgarian in which the lithurgy is in Bg and one Vlach in which the service is in Greek. There are also 2 Bulgarian schools and one Greek for the Vlachs. In 1900 Upper Poroy has 3 780 inhabitants - 2200 BG, 480 Turks and 1100 Vlachs.
All the Bulgarian inhabitants are exarchists and in the beggining o the 20 C the Vlachs also broke away from the Contantinople Patriarchate and formed their own Romanian church. There were some conflicts between the 2 communities. According to the statistics of the secretary of the BG Exarchate Dimitar Misheff in 1905 in Upper Poroy live 3 840 Bulgarians exarchists, 25 Greeks and 750 Vlachs. In the village exist a primary Greek and a primary and a secondary Bulgarian school.
The village is liberated in the Balkan War by 7th Bg Rila division. According to the Carnegy Comission on the 9th of July 1913 during the Second Balkan War Upper Poroy was burned by the Greek army. After the war the village remained in Greece. A lot of its BG and Vlach inhabiants emigrated to Bulgaria and settled in the towns of Petrich, Gorna Djumaya, Plovdiv and in the villages on the other slope of Belasitsa - Belasitsa, Kolarovo, Smuilovo, Klych, Skrt. In the 20-s in Upper Poroy were setteled Greeks refugees from Miri Asia.
Born in Upper Poroy
Ivancho kapitan (1848 - 1896), Bulgarian Kleft
Prof. Jordan Ivanov (1908 - ?), Bulgarian chemist, professor at Sofia Uni
Petros Penas (1902 - 1994), Greek historian
I would appreciate it if you give us a bit from the Greek point of view - like Greek (Patriarchal) statistics, famous people, the exact places from wich the refugees form Pont come, are there any Thrakiotes, local legends, names of the places around the village and so on.--Μίκο Στάβρεφ 09:56, 28 Μαρτίου 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks
- I don't remember from where exactly did the greek emmigrants came from but I've got a greek book in my house in Upper Poroy about the village's history.I also have some maps from the fields around the village with the names of the places.I could give you these maps and answer your questions.I must tell you though that greeks accept the facts that there were bulgarians in the village but I have never read that greeks burned the village.I have read that it was bombed by the allies of Greece because there were bulgarian military forces in the area.Of course the people had left it because they were informed.
- "In the beggining of the 20 C the Vlachs also broke away from the Contantinople Patriarchate and formed their own Romanian church"
- I haven't read something like that in greek books.I know that there was a teacher who wanted to send his son in a school in Serres and after his son was rejected , he tried to make a romanian school and in exchange his son would be accepted in a famous romanian school(I don't remember exactly).So there was a small romanian school with too few student's while romania promissed economic help for every vlach family that sent it's child(ren) to this school.
- I have also read that most of the bulgarians that remained after 1913 left the village when the refugees came because they were settled in houses including bg.They also started to use their fields and that was the reason that forced the bg who hadn't left the village in 1913 to leave.
- Next week I 'll go in Upper Porroy so I will be able to be more precise and give you more information based in the book I mentioned before.
- A famous greek born in Ano Poroia was "Δημήτριος Ίτσιος" who after his death in the battle with germans(April 1941) was honoured with the "Αργυρό αριστείο ανδρείας" silver metal of bravery and there is a bust of him in the central square of the village.I can tell you a few more about him next week.
- The information about the Romanian church is based on a secret report of Andrey Tosheff - a BG ambasador in Greece from 1907. The information on the burning is based on this [1]. Make some photos and imrove the Greek article as well.:-))--Μίκο Στάβρεφ 14:15, 28 Μαρτίου 2007 (UTC)
- Is this http://www.serrelib.gr/penas.htm Petros Penas guy from Vlach origin or from Bg i.e. slavophone Greek?--Μίκο Στάβρεφ 14:24, 28 Μαρτίου 2007 (UTC)
The web-page says that his father was taken as a captive in bg(1916) where he died.When Pennas grew up and after 1940 "he started to accuse the bulgarian forces for it's brutality in Macedonia".From his actions I'm sure he wasn't bg.He has also a greek surname too.
- I read the article. No he wasnt BG for sure :-)) I was just asking whether he was a slavophone Greek (what we call grecomans bg:Гъркомани) or Vlach - but it dosnt matter if you dont know.--Μίκο Στάβρεφ 14:53, 28 Μαρτίου 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry,I don't know. I'm glad that I had a very interesting conversation with you.
- -) And dont forget to make some pictures if you can to illustrate both artcles. --Μίκο Στάβρεφ 15:14, 28 Μαρτίου 2007 (UTC)
ok.I'll make some and upload them in rapidshare.I'll give you the link here as soon as possible:-).
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- Why in Rapid - upload them here in the Greek article for Άνω Πορόια, I'll take them from here.--Μίκο Στάβρεφ 15:26, 28 Μαρτίου 2007 (UTC)
I'm a newbie in wiki and don't really know (until now) how to upload photos.In rapid I can put them in a rar file and upload many photos easily
- No - that wont work cause you should licence them yourself in order that they can be used in Wiki - make them and then you can ask me on my bg page or someone here what to do - I'm sure someone will show you - it's easy click on Επιφόρτωση αρχείου right then select the pic, select the licence (GFDL is best) and that's it.--Μίκο Στάβρεφ 15:41, 28 Μαρτίου 2007 (UTC)
ok then I'll do as you say.--geotol 15:52, 28 Μαρτίου 2007 (UTC)