نقاش المستخدم:Elizbeth
من ويكيبيديا، الموسوعة الحرة
שלום Elizbeth ויקיפדיה אני יודע מְעַט ש"ע --محمد مصطفي عوده 19:29, 1 نوفمبر 2006 (UTC)
- איזה יופי! אני רואה אתה גם יודע לנקד נכון. כל הכבוד! איך זה לחיות במצרים?
Wow! I see you can also do niqqud (like Harakat) correctly. How is it living in Egypt?
Elizbeth 08:21, 2 نوفمبر 2006 (UTC)
[تحرير] Article
That was very interesting indeed. But you know wut the vatican is saying "No , Dont leave the Middle East, you should stay there and represent christianity", yea right, why dont you go there , we tell them.
I so want to learn Hebrew, you got any good sites? I started with the alphabet and some of the vowels, but didnt continue.
Regards --Lord Anubis (ناقش) 13:13, 4 نوفمبر 2006 (UTC)
Well, most people don't want to be where you are right now, you're really a hero for staying. I saw here that many Christians left Iraq since 2003, like many Maronites left Lebanon during the civil war there. Where do you live in Iraq, is it a restive area?
Regarding Hebrew, it'll be much easier for you to learn, since you know Arabic - the languages share most of the letters, many of the words, and the word structure; if you were able to learn the four different forms of every Arabic letter, and the 15 grammatical structures (Hebrew is got only about 6 of them) it will not be a problem to learn Hebrew :). Here's a good guide, and this one is made especially for Christians, and it teaches the Hebrew that was used in the Bible (which doesn't differ a lot from modern day Hebrew). I'd be more than happy to help you if you don't like the links I gave you, or if you have any questions
Elizbeth 16:13, 4 نوفمبر 2006 (UTC)
-
- Actually, I left Iraq before the last war, so I did not witness any of the miseries now, and I do not intend to go back to Iraq. I live in the UK. Thanks for the sites, I prefer the first one , but i ll need to browse the second one to see it better, I use this site,it is great (it has pronunciation clips) . I am going very slow (because I am teaching myself, without lessons). Thanks for your offer, i ll come to you for assistance. As you said, lots of Hebrew words are similar to Arabic. Thanks. --Lord Anubis (ناقش) 16:47, 4 نوفمبر 2006 (UTC)
-
-
- I totally understand you, if I were an Iraqi I wouldn't like to live there right now, let alone if you're a Christian. Hopefully the situation stabilizes there; too many innocent people are dying for nothing.
-
-
-
- The site you're using, as you know, teaches Biblical Hebrew, so if you start talking in it people will probably think you're trying to show off, because it's much harder than modern Hebrew (like talking in the US in Shakespearian language). Also, there are some words that were invented in recent times, to describe action and object that didn't have names or didn't exist 2000 years ago (like גְלידָה - Glida, ice-cream or עַגְבַניה - Agvania, tomato). So, if you want to talk/read in Modern Hebrew, you'll need to use other sources too.
-
Elizbeth 18:26, 4 نوفمبر 2006 (UTC)
-
-
-
- Thanks for this comment, I didn't know there was a difference. you know the word "עַגְבַניה " , the first letter of it is "ע" "Ayin" and not "א" "Aleph", is ע the same as ع in arabic (Ayn) and is it pronounced the same ? and as such, עַגְבַניה is transliterated in arabic as : عكفانيا ؟
- Thanks --Lord Anubis (ناقش) 20:24, 5 نوفمبر 2006 (UTC)
-
-
-
-
-
-
- ע ("Ayin") is indeed like ع, but ayin in Arabic, is pronounced deeper (using the throat more) than ע. Since Arabic hasn't got V (like in Vote), and only the Egyptians pronounce ج as G (like Gold), I would transliterate it as: "عجبثية", but the pronunciation is "agvania" (not "ajbania"). The funny thing about this particular word, was that when Ben-Yehuda (the person who transformed Hebrew from an ancient language to a modern one) thought of a word to tomato, we wanted to use "badora", from Arabic, because the root for agvania is A-G-V, to lust. But the use of the word agvania (which came from the color of the tomato - red, which is associated with love and lust) was quite widespread, so he lost that battle.
-
-
-
Arabic also got غ, that we don't have in Hebrew, so Hebrew speakers pronounce it like "r" (in غـَجر for example) and sometimes like "g" (like in أفغانستان).
Elizbeth 18:33, 7 نوفمبر 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for that, I ll keep studying and when I 'm stuck, i ll ask you. --Lord Anubis (ناقش) 18:48, 7 نوفمبر 2006 (UTC)
Sure, I'd love to help in any way :) Elizbeth 13:38, 10 نوفمبر 2006 (UTC)
[تحرير] hello
hello..... i was just wondering whether you are an arab jew or from a jew descent that used to live in an arab country or you might be some thing else ? could you please write any thig about that because you really show some interest in arabic cultural and especially in Islam .also because i am abit curious about arab jews
Aziz1005 22:27, 5 ديسمبر 2006 (UTC)aziz1005 Aziz1005 22:27, 5 ديسمبر 2006 (UTC) .
Hi Aziz, sorry I didn't answer sooner. I was born in Russia and imigrated to Israel when I was four (1990). I think I might be able to answer some of the question you have, If I don't know the answer myself I can find it in a book that you might not be able to read since it's in Hebrew. I just traveled today on a bus with someone who came from Iraq in 1951 and he talked to me about his life in Hilla before his family fled to Israel. Elizbeth 16:08, 8 ديسمبر 2006 (UTC)
hello again .Thanks for answering my question actually my family originaly from iraq and i had visited iraq when i was child but i cannot remember nothing and basically im interesting as i told you before in arab and especially iraqi jewish it could be because of the origin of my family im not jew though! but my grandmother told me about iraqi jew and how was the relationship between all iraqis in the 1940's . although i have not been in iraq for long time and also i was born outside iraq and i have lived in 4 different countries but i still highly proud of my iraqiness ,by the way i am few years younger than you. my second question is do iraqi jews in israel feel the same or they donot care about iraq by the way my family knows an iraq jewish family in london but in london you barely can find or actually know jews because they live in few areas and they mostly live togather i dont know why! any way im writing alot dnt i ?. aziz sorry i dnt know wuts wrong with my writing it does not appear properly?
Well, Jews always tend to live together in places outside Israel because usually there's a community of the Jews - with schools, synagogues and stores especially for Jews. It also comes from living as a people without a county for 2000 years, and you had to stay together to feel safe and protected from anti-Semitism.
The Iraqi Jews I know care about what's going on in Iraq, although many of them left during the 50's. I also sense that with Jewish Kurds and Jews from Iran. With others - like Jews from Syria, Egypt and Morocco the feelings, in my view, are not as strong - probably because in the latter countries nothing really bad is going on, so people don't think about it. Some of the people see their former countries in good light (even the Jews that left Iran after the revolution in 79'), but don't wish to go back there. Most of the Arab Jews though, are very happy they left their Arab countries due to the lack of political freedom and the economical situation in those countries. Regarding Iraq specifically I heard from many Iraqi Jews that the government (under Faisal the second) wasn't good for the Jews, but they remember fondly the Shia Muslim that were kind to them.
There is a political party in Israel called Shas, and the people who vote for it are mainly Jews who came from Arab countries or their scions. The party usually gets 10% or less of the parliament sits.
In what countries did you live? Where are you living right now? Elizbeth 19:18, 8 ديسمبر 2006 (UTC)
-
- Cutting right into the conversation, I know a couple of Iraqi Jewish families here in the UK (1 in London, and 1 in Birmingham), the former left Iraq early 50s, and the latter left Iraq in 1970s when it became truely hopeless, they had to get fake IDs and to be smuggled into Iran and then they were flown to Israel, they didn't like it much then, so they decided to goto the UK and since then they've been here. As for the former, the husband of the family (now deceased) had to purchase genuine French Passports that had a 7-day window on them before being reported to the police, and he and his wife used them to go to Montenegro and then they were heading to the USA, but stopped for a while in the UK and decided to stay. I think both families had to seek assylum, and I imagine the UK granted them refugee status the next day.
- In Iraq, The Jews were stripped of their rights, their homes, and their money,, their accounts were frozen and their Nationality was terminated. They were all considered spies of the Zionist nation. Some ppl believe that Israel collaborated with its allies to influence the Arab countries to persecute Jews so they will be forced to go and settle in Israel.
- I am a Christian Iraqi, and so I always remember a story my grandmother once told me, she said that she had Jewish neighbours that were forced to leave Iraq, and the Jewish lady told my grandmother (Saturday is succeeded by Sunday), meaning that your turn will come next. Although I didn't leave because I was persecuted as a Christian, but I did have to leave, and I always remember wut this Jewish lady said to my grandmother, because it is so true in politically unstable countries like Iraq and the rest of the Arab countries.
- I have actually written an article a few days ago here about Iraqi Jews...
- يهود العراق.. transliterated: Yahood Al-Iraq
- Sorry for barging in on your convo...
- take care, --LORD ANUBIS (ناقش) 20:08, 8 ديسمبر 2006 (UTC)
Thnx u both that was really interesting . by the way im a muslim 'Shia' ALTHOUGH I DNT LIKE SAYING Shia OR Sunna ...etc and my family originaly from southern iraq and basically my family left Iraq in the 60s and the problem wasnt jew or christian or muslim although the problem was doubled with jew or sabian or even christian. lord you know that most iraqi in the uk are muslim and problems in iraq were mixed political + economical probably other/s . I hope these problems will be sorted out and Iraq become a peaceful country again hopefully this would happpen in my life (this wut mygrandma used to say before she passed away) شايف على هالصدف !! يمكن هالحلم ما يتحقق!!
Aziz1005 21:00, 8 ديسمبر 2006 (UTC)AzizAziz1005 21:00, 8 ديسمبر 2006 (UTC)
Thank you Lord Anibus for the article, what the Jewish lady said is completly true, and the situation right now in Iraq is very problematic for any minority. I find it funny that the largest community of Jews in the middle east besides Israel is in Iran, I talked to some guy in my age that was born in Tehran and he said that rich Jews in Iran are better there than in Israel...
I'm happy to hear that you don't think there is a significant divide between the Sunnis and Shias, I hope everyone in Iraq would feel that way too and stop the fighting. The problem is that a small group of extremists are forcing everyone to cling to their sect and not trust the others. I think events that took place hundred of years ago should divide people now.
Elizbeth 08:34, 9 ديسمبر 2006 (UTC)