सदस्य वार्ता:Spundun
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Hi I am સ્પંદન [Spundun] I hope to contribute a little to wikipedia.
Thank you for the welcome. I have never used IRC before so will try to find out how and then log in. श्री
- Thanks for the xchat information. I have installed it and was able to join hi:wikipedia. I am in EST timezone so the best time to chat would be during your AM hours, would that time work for Hemanshu?
- Hemanshu showsup mostly in that time also. I am there at that time on weekends... but rarely on weekdays. --Spundun २०:१३, ३१ Jul २००४ (UTC)
- A question: on Win98 as well as WinXP the hi wikipedia URLs come up with %AF_%E0%A4%B5 even when I have unicode enabled - is there something I can do in Setup to view the URL in devanagari?
- I am not on win32, hemanshu is... he also sees %number instead of devnagari script in the url bar. So I guess for now.. you will have to live with that :) --Spundun २०:१३, ३१ Jul २००४ (UTC)
Thanks, श्री १६:०६, ३१ Jul २००४ (UTC)
I thank you for the answer on fr:Discussion Utilisateur:Ma'ame Michu. The interwiki for en:Category:India = Category:भारत is done, and I hope there is no mistake... Ma'ame Michu २१:०७, १८ Sep २००४ (UTC)
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[बदलें] Translating Template
Hi, What's the word for template in Hindi and Gujarati? Yann ०९:४६, २० Sep २००४ (UTC)
- In gujarati word "બીબું" comes close... if you give an entire sentence to use the word in... that would give a clearer trail to persue. Spundun १८:५२, २० Sep २००४ (UTC)
- It is for creating templates like Template:language. Yann १९:०८, २० Sep २००४ (UTC)
- Hmm... I want to think about this one. There has to be a better word than "બીબું". Give me some time. I might ask my aunt, she is Ph.D. in gujarati. I have been using Template: as the name space. You can use that in the mean time, Later we can create an alias to it. I dont know how exactly it works but I have seen instances of it. e.g. User:Spundun सदस्य:Spundun refer to the same page. Remind me if I dont come up with an answer in a few days. Spundun २१:४६, २० Sep २००४ (UTC)
- It is for creating templates like Template:language. Yann १९:०८, २० Sep २००४ (UTC)
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[बदलें] POV
Hi, you should not have been subjective in विकिपीडिया:Setting up your browser for Indic scripts, keeping into account the NPOV Wikipedia strives to maintain. I'll be making it less POV in case I get time (& you don't :)). -- पद्दू १५:५३, ७ Oct २००४ (UTC)
- I didnt have POV policy in mind when I wrote that article :), I didnt know that applied to Wikipedia: namespace too. Feel free to make changes while making sure you dont delete any useful content.
- Thanx,
- --Spundun १६:५६, ७ Oct २००४ (UTC)
spundun, thanks for the welcome as well as additions to the gandhi page. Yes mahatma gandhi is a better title, so I have changed and added redirects.
I'll keep make changes and additions as I find time.
श्री २३:४६, २५ अक्टूबर २००४ (UTC)
[बदलें] Request for queries
Hello Spundun, I reacted to your request "All Pages in Wikipedia Namespace" at meta. Please answer there. --SirJective from Germany ११:५१, ४ नवम्बर २००४ (UTC)
[बदलें] Need help for my multilanguage project www.cucumis.org
Hi, I need help for my translation help project. It's a community of translators that help each others. The translations value is evaluated trough a system of points that allows to avoid abuse of the system. The user interface has been translated in many languages with this system, but it's very hard for korean, chinese, vietnamese, Hindi and north of europe languages. It's a young project and I hope you will like it! Thanks for your help! JP
[बदलें] Rajput
Hi! I noticed you deleted page 'Rajput'. Actually, I intend to work on it sometime this weekend. But I have a question. Can you please help me make a page named hi.wikipedia.org\राजपूत (instead of hi.wikipedia.org\Rajput). In the english one, it shows u the option to create page when one doesnt exist. It did not happen when I used the hindi font. Thanks! Ss india 12:16, २२ दिसम्बर २००५ (UTC)
स्पंदन, आपकी सहायता के लिये धन्यवाद !! Ss india 13:21, ३० दिसम्बर २००५ (UTC)
[बदलें] Logo
Hi, isn't the mainpage logo mispelled? There is what I assume is a correctly spelled version at [1], but I'm not an admin here so I couldn't fix it. Sorry for the English, but I don't know enough Hindi yet to leave a message in Hindi. Thanks - Taxman 19:45, २२ दिसम्बर २००५ (UTC)
The mainpage logo and your correctly spelled version link have the same spellings. en:User:Vedant lath 203.98.102.4 15:27, १६ फरवरी २००६ (UTC)
[बदलें] Template:स्वागत
Check it out! Deeptrivia 06:33, १३ जनवरी २००६ (UTC)
Yep, it certainly needs a cleanup. I think it’s quite important to have sth like this in order to build a hindi wikipedia community. Meanwhile, this dictionary is quite cool: [N English-Hindi dictionary]
[बदलें] Vandalism
Please see [2] Deeptrivia 20:46, १६ जनवरी २००६ (UTC)
[बदलें] Template
Hey Spundun, what's {{subst:<template name>}} ? I am planning to edit the template to make it shorter.Deeptrivia 19:15, १९ जनवरी २००६ (UTC)
- Checkout en:Wikipedia:Template substitution --स्पंदन (Spundun) 23:51, १९ जनवरी २००६ (UTC)
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- I've compressed the template slightly. Is there any way to automatically subst the tempate every time it is used, the way it happens with {{welcome}} on the English wikipedia? Deeptrivia 13:18, २० जनवरी २००६ (UTC)
[बदलें] विकिपीडिया:संवाद पन्ना
I created this page with the intention to use it as some kind of a noticeboard, and to keep track of the whole community. What do you think of the idea? Deeptrivia 16:01, २० जनवरी २००६ (UTC)
[बदलें] Guidelines for writing a Hindi article
Hi, as an admin, I have created a page listing recommendations for writing a good and proper article on Hindi wikipedia. I shall wait for 24 hours to hear suggestions/criticisms from the other admins, which are most welcome (I hope it is sufficient time), after which I shall post this message on the talk page of all active Hindi-wikipedians and Hindi-native-speakers on English wikipedia.
Hindi wikipedia invites and welcomes Wikipedians to contribute for the casue of spreading knowledge and the Hindi language. This page contains guidelines for writing a wiki-article on any topic at the Hindi Wikipedia, with special recommendations for writing in Hindi (Note: The script/font-family for Hindi is Devanāgari; the script/font-system for English is Roman script, also, the Hindi spelling system is not completely standardized). This article is yet in English language (mostly), in order to encourage even non-native/foreign people who have learnt/are learning Hindi to contribute to the Hindi wikipedia, and native Hindi speakers who normally write in English. Recommendations:
For more information/suggestions/criticisms, please contact any one of the administrators of Hindi wiki here, preferably en:User:Magicalsaumy. The page can always be viewed here.
- Firstly for proper viewing, it is recommended to keep all links NOT-UNDERLINED. Otherwise the मात्रा below the Hindi alphabets might get partly hidden behind the underlines. For this, Please go to My Preferences (मेरी पसंद) at the top of the page, then click Misc., and then choose "underline links -> Never". Save your settings. Also, do not click yes for "justify paragraphs", otherwise on some browsers, the devanagari script will apear highly distorted.
- All users are requested and encouraged to contribute articles here, especially, to create new articles on general topics. They are also encouraged to expand the existing articles, and improve upon them. A non-user can also do the same; it is recommended but not required to register yourself as a wikipedian user at the Hindi wikipedia. As far as possible, each article should be written with a Neutral Point of View (NPOV)—no nationalistic or partiality or hatred based articles are welcome. The articles should be based on facts—and appropriate references should be provided as and where needed. See the English wiki's en:Help:Contents/Editing_Wikipedia help page for editing in general. Almost all the general wiki-features are available for editing on Hindi wiki too. Guidelines for the content matter is mostly the same as given in English wiki.
- Since the Hindi wiki is at its initial stages, users are welcome to take introduction and basic points from the English (or another) wikipedia's corresponding article and translate them for small articles. An in-page link to the English wiki's article will be deemed sufficient for references (a template might be created stating this). For longer articles, it is recommended to mention the references separately.
- Since most computer users in India and elsewhere have the standard Western-type keyboard, it is best recommended (but not necessarily required) to use the virtual (software) keyboard like the one of Hindimozhi or of ISIS (Tavultesoft Keyman)—for freewares. These are advantageous because the contemporary Hindi-speakers in India often write messages/chat using Hindi words but written in Roman (English) script, and the layout of these keyboards is quite the same that such people use. For example, using the "normal" keyboard with this software, typing ga would give ग and ghaa would give घा.
- Create the article with its name written in Hindi (devanagari script). Always take care to include the nukta (dot below) for foreign / Urdu loanwords wherever it occurs in the standard spelling. For non-Indian names, use that spelling (for article name and other words) which is commonly encountered in Hindi newspapers, G.K.-books, Hindi-dubbed TV documentaries and Hollywood films and magazines. e.g., America-अमरीका (या अमेरिका), China-चीन, French-फ़्रांसिसी. For English acronyms/short-forms, use the initials in Roman script, and again create a full form in Hindi and redirect it to the short form. e.g. IPA (अन्तर्राष्ट्रीय ध्वनि वर्णाक्षर); UNO (संयुक्त राष्ट्र संघ). Doing the opposite is also fine. But creating the article with the Hindi short form, as सं०रा०सं०, is not recommended. Also, the article proper must be written with the proper nukta, as फ़ारसी, and then, a non-nukta (mis-)spellt version फारसी should preferably be created to redirect to the correct spelling.
- Hindi wikipedia strongly recommends the users to write articles in everyday common Hindi (Hindustani or Hindi-Urdu, ie, बोलचाल वाली हिन्दी, which may include many loanwords from Persian and Arabic). The use of शुद्ध संस्कृतनिष्ठ हिन्दी is in general neither required nor recommended. E.g., use: वजह instead of कारण, ख़ास instead of विशेष, वगैरह instead of इत्यादि, लेकिन instead of परन्तु etc. However, for technical and specialized vocabulary, the use of शुद्ध संस्कृतनिष्ठ हिन्दी is recommended and usually mandatory. Thus: upper House of Parliament—संसद का उच्च सदन, but not Urdu—मजिलिस का ऐवान-ए-बाला ; Foreign Minister—विदेशमन्त्री, but not Urdu—वज़ीर-ए-ख़ारिजा ; knowledge/science—ज्ञान/विज्ञान, but not इल्म. Use spoken Hindi's ये and वो instead of यह and वह / वे. Do not use the title of respect जी after names, it is unencyclopedic. Thus: कृष्ण / श्री कृष्ण but not कृष्ण जी.
- English should be used sparingly, only when required or the corresponding शुद्ध हिन्दी word is too "difficult and not generally encountered", or if it is a proper name of non-Indian person/place/terminology, or if the user is highly unsure of the proper translation. It is recommended (but not required) that English-to-Hindi translation while writing articles, the Shabdkosh online dictionry should be used. For each English word, that alternative should be used which is generally encountered in everyday spoken Hindi, and also fits well into the context. Use of intelligent guesses for newly encountered words is also allowed, and so are tanslations encountered in Hindi-dubbed TV documentaries, Hollywood films, Hindi-translated books, etc. e.g., दमपिशाच for en:Dementor (used in dubbed HP films).
- If used, it is recommended to use the English words within the articles using the English (Roman) alphabets rather than devanagari. Such words should be italicized and not put in quotation marks. Preferably, there should be an in-page interwiki link (like :en:) on the word to the English wikipedia. If the word comes as an integral part of a sentence, so as not to break the continuity, the en: prefix should be hidden by writing the word again after the pipe sign (piped link). Thus, recommended:
हैरी पॉटर ने ''[[:en:Pensieve|Pensieve]]'' के अन्दर ''[[:en:Little Hangleton|Little Hangleton]]'' गाँव में लॉर्ड वोल्डेमॉर्ट की माँ ''[[:en:Merope Gaunt|Merope Gaunt]]'' को देखा. ''[[:en:Resplendent Quetzal|Resplendent Quetzal]]'' पक्षी के ऊपर एक मेक्सिकन पादरी डा० ''[[:en:Pablo de la Llave|Pablo de la Llave]]'' ने काफ़ी शोध किया था.
Whence,
- हैरी पॉटर ने Pensieve के अन्दर Little Hangleton गाँव में लॉर्ड वोल्डेमॉर्ट की माँ Merope Gaunt को देखा
- Resplendent Quetzal पक्षी के ऊपर एक मेक्सिकन पादरी डा० Pablo de la Llave ने काफ़ी शोध किया था
- ALways start the first 1 or 2 lines of the article giving its definition (from any standard dictionary/other wiki) or suitable introduction. Thus, recommended: ललिता सहस्रनामन हिन्दू धर्मसुधारक आदि शंकराचार्य द्वारा रचित देवी दुर्गा को समर्पित एक पूजा-मन्त्र है, जिसे कई हिन्दू रोज़ श्रद्धा से जपते हैं । But not: ललिता सहस्रनामन मन्त्र जपने के लिये लड्डू-पेड़ा, ताम्बुल, सिन्दूर, लाल चुनरी के साथ नित्य इस मन्त्र का पाठ करें, तो जल्द ही गड़ा हुआ ख़जाना मिलेगा । Recommended: वैमानिक अभियान्त्रिकी (en:Aeronautical engineering) विमानों (en:Aircrafts) की अभिकल्पना, निर्माण और प्रचालन करने का विज्ञान, कला और कार्य है । But not: आजकल वैमानिक अभियान्त्रिकी के लिये देशभर में कई कॉलेज खुल गये हैं, जिनमें अग्रणी स्थान यूटोपिया स्थित लालू-यादव टेक्लिनक कॉलेज का है ।
- For names of countries, cities, places, languages, people, books, films, technical vocabulary, mythology, etc, start the article hence:
1. The name in bold ('''अपोलो''') 2. starting parenthesis, then English name in Roman script, in-page interwiki-linked to English wiki ff. by semicolon ((अंग्रेज़ी : [[:en:Apollo]];) 3. The native name(s) if applicable in the italicized native script, preferably followed either by its italicized approximate Hindi pronunciation or non-italicized [[:en:Phonetic transcription|phonological transcription]] within //, ff. by closed parenthesis (यूनानी : ''Aπollων अप्पोलोन'')) 4. the rest of the definition or introduction (प्राचीन [[यूनानी धर्म]] (ग्रीक धर्म) और प्राचीन [[रोमन धर्म]] के सर्वोच्च देवता थे ।)
For country names, only the standard short form of the name is needed in the first line. If there is a common name for a difficult word in Hindustani, also mention it. Whence: अपोलो (अंग्रेज़ी : en:Apollo; यूनानी : Aπollων अप्पोलोन) प्राचीन यूनानी धर्म (ग्रीक धर्म) और प्राचीन रोमन धर्म के सर्वोच्च देवता थे । If you don't give the interwiki English/another language link (which would be deemed to be the default reference), then you MUST provide an appropriate reference.- Please leave no article without an appropriate category. See the list of created categories hi:विशेष:Categories here; you can also make a new category (pref. in Hindi). Please leave no article without at least ONE off page (like en:) interwiki link. E.g., the user can check the article name (say Apollo) on the finally redirected English page and append to the Hindi article (
[[en:Appolo]])
). These interlanguage links will help a bot to update all interwiki links for that article in all wikipedias. The category and the aforementioned link should be typed at the end of the article. If the article is very small, mention it as a stub/substub.- Use of templates is welcome. See the list of templates here. If creating a template, name it pref. in English.
- Use पूर्णविराम ( । ) instead of a period (.) for ending statements. The पूर्णविराम, semicolon, colon and dash (but not comma) must come after one space after the word to prevent disambiguity. Use the international form of the Hindu-Arabic numerals (1,2,3 instead of १,२,३), as used by the Constitution and the Government of India (even for Hindi). There is no need to use the हलन्त at the end of Sanskrit words wherever it occurs. Hence, prefer: संसद over संसद्; अथर्वन over अथर्वन्. Use the proper quotation marks “” from the Insert toolbox, not "". Write dates as 2 मई 2006 (ईसवी or ईसापूर्व). Write time as 3:45 pm.
- The use of ज़ for the en:voiced alveolar fricative (/z/, as in zoo, rose) is fundamentally wrong. Its nearest counterpart is the en:voiceless alveolar fricative /s/ (as in sea), and not Hindi ज (en:voiced palatal plosive). Hence, it is suggested and recommended that for the sound /z/, whether it comes in English (etc.) spellings (z) for while pronunciation otherwise, should be transcribed as स़ (स with a dot below, available in the Insert toolbox). Hence: Reason रीस़न, not रीज़न ; Roses रोस़ेस़, not रोज़ेज़. But common Hindi words borrowed from Persian/Arabic (so-called Urdu words) are allowed to continue with ज़ spelling. Thus: ज़रा, नज़र, तर्ज़. The en:voiced postalveolar fricative (/ʒ/ as in treasure), inexistant in Hindi, can similarly be transcribed with श़. Thus: treasure ट्रॅश़र. The nukta (dot) available in the Insert toolbox can be combined with various consonants to suggest a more exact phonetic devanagari rendering of foreign sounds. E.g., Since phonetically, English Think and this are not equal to थिंक and दिस, a better transcription could be थ़िंक and द़िस. Please take care of the dot below in so-called Urdu words, otherwise the Hindi spelling is deemed incorrect.
- For the following English vowels met, mate, mat, transcribe as मॅट (short vowel), मेट (not मेइट), मैट (not मॅट, as popular in Marathi). However in contemporary Hindi and here, it is acceptable to use ए instead of ऍ. Thus: अमेरिका is more popular than अमॅरिका. For cot, coat, caught, transcribe as कॉट, कोट, कॉट (not कौट). Transcribe English /t/ and /d/ as ट and ड.
- Use half-न before त, थ, द, ध, न, instead of anuswaar अं. Use half-म before प, फ, ब, भ, म. Use the anuswaar before all the rest of the consonants (not half-ङ, ञ, ण). If the मात्रा is not above the alphabet, use chandra-bindu, but only for nasalization. Thus: अन्दर, not अंदर ; अन्त, not अंत ; हिन्दी, not हिंदी ; सम्भव, not संभव ; पंचमी, not पञ्चमी ; अंडा, not अण्डा ; कंठ, not कण्ठ ; लैंड, not लैण्ड ; आँख, not आंख. However, both forms are acceptable in contemporary Hindi as well as here; the prec. are just recommendations.
- When preceeded by another vowel, use the pure vowels instead of य (unless the य is clearly articulated while pronouncing). Thus : जाएँ, not जायें (not जावें) ; आएगा, not आयेगा . However, both forms are acceptable in contemporary Hindi as well as here.
- Please pay careful attention to the masculine/feminine gender (and singular/plural) in adjectives and verbs, else the sentence becomes ungrammatical.
Magicalsaumy (Cygnus — हंस) २२:२४, ४ जून २००६ (UTC)
[बदलें] हिन्दी विकिन्यूज प्रारंभिक सम्पादन के लिये
हिन्दी विकिन्यूज के प्रारम्भिक सम्पादन के लिये एक विनती की गयी है। आप अपने मन्तव्य से इसके औचित्य और अनौचित्य के बारे में प्रकाश डाले। आपका मत काफी उपयोगी है, मैं आपका अति आभारी रहुंगा। आप अपना मतदान यहां करे: [3] बहुत बहुत धन्य्वाद्, सदस्य:श्याम १०:२८, ७ अक्टूबर २००६ (UTC)