Talk:Паӂина принчипалэ/Архивэ6
Де ла Википедия ын лимба молдовеняскэ
Translator update
New text translated by Node ue:
"i am sick of this widget (or maybe silliness)": the translator returned "mie îmi este silă această prostie"... Actually it is "Îmi e(ste) silă de această prostie".
As for the text written by Domnu Goie, it can be easly translated with the automatic translator:
-
-
- Danutz, don't forget that he can use the translator again. Better we put it to write in Romanian than to transliterate. That so and so I can transliterate from greceşte in English wherethrough pooh can use the translator from altavista babelfish.
-
-
-
- And when say it to go to disco or to is met with the friend, apprehend as the you presuppose too many thing; For instance you presuppose that the man HAS the friends. Don't thought you as he can have no? Peradventure alone his friends are the alphabet and the translator. This one ploughes and about explains why holds such long ago to paginate this one:)
-
That is what the translator returns. All that you translated, stating that you understood what Domnu Goie said, can be also easly understood from the automatic translation. But you stopped translating not far from the end? Why? Not understanding "This one ploughes and about explains why holds such long ago to paginate this one"?? I don't either. But I know Romanian. --Danutz (în ro.wiki | em pt.wiki) 12:02, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I certainly don't understand the meaning of "Peradventure alone his friends are the alphabet and the translator" -- it is complete nonsense, no matter how I try to make it make any sense. Yet, I translated the Romanian sentence to English.
- And what are these ploughs you are talking about? The sentence in question clearly says "That would explain this page is so dear to him", nothing about ploughs! --Node ue 17:26, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
-
- My romanian may be far from perfect, but I am certainly good enough to know the difference between "ar", a form of "avea", and "ar", a form of "ara". I will admit though, to find the source of the confusion, I had to ask my parents -- I don't live on a farm, so it's not often we talk about such things. --Node ue 17:31, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
HAHAHA! So you asked your parents? LOL :) You are not very sneaky after all cuz you just gave yourself away.
Anyways I still don't think someone can be the administrator even though he has very good and reliable sourses like his mommy and his daddy who can always translate for him in romanian, since he doesn't know the language himself :)
I think a real native of Moldova would be best suited as an administrator here, like Dimitriid.
I really agree that the moldovan wikipedia should become a subdomai, dar numai cu o conditie. Este necinstit daca nu se mentioneaza macar in 2 vorbe ca limba Moldoveneasca in Cirilica este totuna cu limba Romana in Cirilica. Sa nu uitam ca de fapt pana in 1860 limba romana se scria in cirilica. Prin urmare deci, daca serveste ca o versiune cirilica a asa-zisei limbii moldovenesti, atunci de ce nu poate servi si ca o versiune a limbii romanesti in cirilica.
Si inca ceva: cand merg pe articoloele alea apare ca optiune "Moldoveana" cand nici Voronin nu o numeste asa. In constitutia Moldovei se zice "Moldoveneasca" iar pana in 1994 mi se pare ca aparea in constitutie chiar asa "Moldoveneasca care e totuna cu limba Romana". Desi nu sunt sigur de chestia asta, am auzit-o de la cinava, poate Dimitriid stie mai multe.
PS: I think to the list of options we should add these little minor points:
1) expelling Node ue (since all this fuss is the result of one man's lack of serious compromise) and replacing him with someone else who is more neutral, better informed and actually speaks the language.
- Just because I didn't know that "ara" meant "to plough", does not mean I don't speak Romanian. As an administrator, can you name one action I have taken in this position which demonstrates a bad command of the language? Interface messages are copied from ro.wiki, so it can't be that...
- By "more neutral", do you mean one of you radicals from Romania, bent on destruction of the mo.wiki and the unification of Romania and Moldova??
2) making it a subdomain and clarifing the language issue(i.e. state that Ro=Mo) but I doubt (although I hope) that Node wants that
- As I said before, I will consider a longer subdomain, IF you can secure it. Believe me, it will take a long time to get created. As I said before, there is no need to state on the mainpage that Romanian and Moldovan are equal, infact this is NOT neutral since 33% of Moldovans disagree.
3) expell Node ue, make it a subdomain and clarify the language issue
- Didn't you just say that?? Why are you repeating yourself??
4) get rid of the whole thing, so Node can go clubbing and start meeting his friends like Danutz suggested earlier :)
- I have no plans for clubbing, my friends are sad because I'm spending so far my whole summer on this stupid argument with you. Ronline wants to get to the Estonian coast, Danutz said he has somewhere he's going, and surely you plan to do something for summer as well?
- at this point in time I donnot think that the status quo is an option anymore since serious problems have been identified by a number of people( not just us here but also on the previous page with the latin/cyrilic options).
- A number of people... meaning you, Duca, and the group calling itself something along the lines of "Romanian Unionists Federation" or whatever?? OK, we can add Danutz, but still this is 4 people, none of them Moldovans. If you ask them what language is theirs, they will all say "romanian" -- thus they would not have come here in the first place, as only people who declare their language as "moldovan" would even think to come to a "moldovan Wikipedia". Landroni, in France, is claiming he is a Moldovan, and opposes this Wikipedia. Dmitriid has clarified that his views are actually much more progressive than you and your band of vandalistic goons, and on top of it he has remained sensible and not called people stalinists, kgb agents, and japanese fags. If it comes down to a vote, I can contact Vertaler as well. If Croatians come storming onto the Serbian Wikipedia saying it has no right to exist, or that it should be deleted, what is going to happen to them? Nothing - they will be ignored. Maybe, if they are polite, and discuss what their views are in detail without throwing insults or extremism or illogic around, the Serbians will consider what they have to say. But, if they act as you and your goons have acted, the result will surely be that they are banned, which I have not done although I could've (have you made any contributions to this Wikipedia?? No. Have you attacked people personally despite being asked not to several times? Yes. Did you add a POV notice to the mainpage? Yes. in any other Wikipedia you would be banned already, but I do not want to risk "suppressing your opinion") --Node ue 05:46, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Domnu Goie
The Ronline Proposal
Danutz, I assure you I will raise this on the mailing list in a neutral manner. I'm totally committed to hearing everyone out on this issue, as long as they argue decently. Now, the agreement I struck with Node is basically based on the following model:
- We maintain mo.wikipedia.org as the Moldovan-language Wikipedia.
- Mo.wikipedia.org will be officially biscriptal in interface, with Latin given priority.
- Mo.wikipedia.org will contain Cyrillic content, with Latin content going on ro.wikipedia.org
- Mo.wikipedia.org will have a biscriptal portal linking to both ro.wikipedia.org and a Cyrillic Main page hosted on mo.wikipedia.org
- Mo.wikipedia.org will be linked from other Wikipedias using the name "молдовеняскэ (чириликэ)". This is to signify that the link is to a Moldovan (Cyrillic) page and that Moldovan is usually written in Latin script.
- We will organise a sysop election. Node ue will not be sysop unless he gets voted democratically. He can, however, be interim sysop for interface translation purposes. The fact is - everyone's entitled to a vote, even if they're Romanian "nationalists". The current mo.wikipedia.org community is us here. There are not many Moldovans yet. Sorry to put this so bluntly but if they're not here, then we can't involve them in the decision-making process. EDIT: People who vote in the sysop election will need at least 5 edits in the article namespace at mo.wiki to prove they are community members who want to actually contribute to this wiki.
- Mo.wikipedia.org will function independently of the Romanian Wikipedia. It will be a biscriptal Moldovan Wikipedia with mainly Cyrillic content to avoid duplication of content with ro.wikipedia.org.
Why this model? - At the present moment, there are a number of people in Moldovan who declare that their language is Moldovan and not Romanian. Yes, this is unfortunate. Yes, this may change. But at the current moment, we need to cater for that need. The issue is not so much about that, but about the concept of catering for people who use Cyrillic. We need an encyclopedia for those that use Cyrillic Romanian/Moldovan. We can't put it as a subset of ro.wiki because it would be unacceptable. We need to put it as a subset of mo.wiki because the people who speak Cyrillic, most call it Moldovan. That's why I think the proposal is fair. Also, keeping the mo.wiki biscriptal, with the official and majority script first, is fair to Latin users. I know Romanian = Moldovan, but then we would have to cater for Cyrillic content on the Romanian Wikipedia, and as I said before, that's unacceptable. There are many Moldovans here who disagree with this Wikipedia and who say they speak Romanian, like most Moldovans. That's great, and they can contribute ro.wiki. Ro.wiki, remember, is for everyone who says they speak Romanian, and write in Latin script, be they from Moldova, Romania or wherever else.
I will propose this model on the international Wikipedia-l mailing list. If you disagree with any of the points in this model, please leave a note on this page, putting forward your proposal. I understand that this model may not suit everyone. I don't want people to be unhappy or feel disillusioned. If they feel that this proposal is somehow going against their beliefs, or against what they want achieved, then please leave a note arguing your case. The consulation period will end on 26 July (this is when I come back from Pärnu). After that date, if we reach an agreement, the proposal will come into force. After that date, the proposal can be changed at any time if someone makes a case for it. This should apply in all cases. I don't believe anything should be final, especially in this case where we will probably get new Moldovan users soon. If this happens, then it may change, because they may bring new views with them. Thank you, Ronline 06:44, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Hi Ronline, regarding the sysop election I do not agree. People who want nothing less than the complete deletion of this Wikipedia are not the ones who should be choosing a sysop. What about people with more than 5 edits to the article namespace? This is a requirement enforced on some Wikipedias, and I think it makes sense here because all the "true" members of the community have edited pages, while all the people whose only purpose here is to toss insults and repeatedly demand deletion, have not. Of course there would have to be a time deadline, because otherwise the people could edit pages a whole bunch just to be able to vote.
- To me, a Wikipedia community is the group of individuals who work together to build a no-cost open content encyclopaedia. This does not include the likes of "Organizaţia Româna Unionista", who are spewing such foolishness on a talkpage as "This is supposed to be of some intelectual value but instead the Moldovan Encyclopedia serves Stalinist interests in Chishinau and Tiraspol", and then later "Having a Moldovan encyclopedia would suggest that it is a sepparete language from Romanian which we cannot accept." --- why should these people be allowed to vote? If they believe that Moldovan doesn't even exist, or that it's identical to Romanian, maybe they can go vote on the Romanian Wikipedia for something??
- Of course, it would also include other people with believable claims to actually being in Moldova, like Dmitriid, even though his only edits have been to talk pages.
- What percent of the voters will be truly representative of Moldovan mindset? In fact, they won't even be representative of Romanian mindset, since this Wikipedia attracts mostly radical unionists (they get upset when they see that there is a "Moldovan Wikipedia", they balk, they come here and then they troll around on the talkpages doing nothing constructive).
- Someone might say this is self-serving, well I don't think it is because what are the chances that Ronline, Dmitriid, and other formerly-active users (should they come back) will vote for me? Ronline might probably vote for somebody else, and surely I won't end up sysop.
- Also, I think that, as long as this Wikipedia is in such peril, I will maintain it (currently, there are only 20 or so pages, and its growth has been hampered by an outrage sparked partly by Moldovans but mostly by radical nationalists in Transylvania and Wallachia.) As I noted before, I do not ban people to stifle opinions, and pages other than the mainpages are not protected. How to proceed with interface translation is uncertain because in many cases, the dual-script version is too long so I just didn't translate it. I tried an abbreviation approach, but "P. com" could just as easily stand for "Partidul comuniştilor"... --Node ue 10:21, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
-
- If the interface is too long, let it be too long. Stop being so pratical Node :) Seriously, that's the price we pay for biscriptal interface... that we might get things on two rows. So what? No big deal! OK, now to the more serious issue of sysops. I disagree with you on this one, Node. I think that we're not really meant to represent the Moldovan mindset. Because there are no pro-mo.wiki Moldovans here yet, of course decisions will be made against mo.wiki. I'm afraid to say, that's democracy. The fact if at the current moment, only Romanian "radicals" are interested in mo.wiki, then it will mean mo.wiki will go against "Moldovan interests", if you like. There's nothing wrong with that, because when Moldovan users will come, a different proposal can be voted in. Things can then change. That's how progressive decision-making works... the decisions morph to meet the needs of the public. There has been very little demand for a Moldovan Cyrillic Wikipedia... more people are against it then not. We shouldn't act by basing ourselves on the future, but rather on the fact that currently mo.wiki is unpopular, therefore it probably doesn't deserve to exist. Personally, I think it should exist, but we can't just discontinue people for being Romanian "radicals". As long as we single out people because they're Moldovan or not means we're being biased and not allowing freedom. The 5-edits rule is fair though, because it sort of assures that only community members can vote. Remember, though, that non-members also need to be given a say. This is because the main reason they have not contributed to articles is because they're against mo.wiki, and that variant also needs to be taken into account as a valid proposal. Also, while you may think that these Romanian "radicals" are illogical and not right, they still outnumber you. Whether or not you agree to democracy, a thing which some people call "mob rule", you still have to take into account the issues they raise. I think one flaw you've done since the start, and a reason why maybe a lot of these Romanians dislike you, is that you've just shunned their thoughts by branding them as "radical". They've done that to you too, no doubt, by branding you as "Stalinist". At the end of the day, there needs to be more dialogue between sides, not just two monologues that don't cross, and we need to respect each other more and take into account our worries. That's how decision-making works. Not by just dimissing people. Or each side working in their own self-interest blindly (again, you've made quite a few key compromises, which is the reason why we've finally struck an agreement).
-
- So, for that reason, I propose going forward with my model, but at the same time accepting any objections that are constructive, and enacting the 5-edits rule. Of course, only after the consultation period. That's fair, is it not? Ronline 11:34, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE! What happened to the subdomain? Ronline de ce te'ai lasat dus de asta?
Node was ok with a subdomain before? What happened to it?
Duca
-
- Sorry, but... Why should I have edited in article namespace before I vote, if I donnot support this Wikipedia, and I want it a redirect to the Romanian version (or at least a portal)?. I'm not reffering to myself, because I edited also in articles (of course in the latin alphabet, and mostly minor things, but that's it, I have tens of edits). Anyway, why should one have edited here to vote? It is logical that even a Moldovan living from Moldova would not have edited here if he doesn't support Moldovan language (or more, he doesn't support Moldovan in chirllic). Don't you think? BTW, Ronline answered you in the ro:Discuţie:Republica Moldova --Danutz (în ro.wiki | em pt.wiki) 17:30, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Agreed. For example, I have made changes to the main pages, Node has reverted them a couple of times and then I had to rewrite them again so that counts as 5 changes. BTW anyone can go and make 5 small quick changes and then claim the right to vote. I don't think this requirement is really needed. What about Moldovan( people ori. from there) people that want to vote.
First of all Moldovans will tell you too, like Dimitriid has done before and like Decius has done on another page that Romanian=Moldovan so please lets make it clear once and for all: Anything that does not clearly state that the Moldovan Wikipedia in Cyrilic=the Romanian Wiki in Cyrilic is compleetly and utterly unacceptable.
One more thing: Ronline dealul care l'ai facut cu Node, mai inaite trebuia discutat sau votat. Eu zic ca este mult mai democratic ca sa votam intai ce trebie facut. In primul rand, trebie vazut cata lume(moldoveni sau ne-moldoveni care inteleg romana in cirilica) vor aceasta wiki. Dupa aia trebuie vazut cati il mai vor pe Node ca administrator si daca wiki ar trebui s devina un subdomai cum ai zis tu mai inainte. Si nu crezi ca numind limba numai moldoveneasca in cirilica ar fi NPOV. De exemplu eu pot sa ma numesc un roman care citeste romana in cirilica. Sa nu uitam ca noi aici vrem sa fim in primul rand corecti ptr. ca vorbim de o enciclopedie. Deci, mult mai neutru si chiar mai corect din toate punctele de vedere ar fi ca acest subdomain sa zica macar la pagina principala ca este "Pagina Moldoveneasca/Romana in Cirilica". Ronline vezi ro:Discuţie:Republica Moldova; ti'am raspuns mai detaliat acolo.
So please let's revert to the original proposals to make the wiki a subdomain and clarify the language issue.
Domnu Goie
Inventory
Maybe one of the enthusiasts of this sub-domain could specify the number of the books that are edited in "moldoveana" annually in the world. As my knowledge, Wikipedia doesn't proposed to invent something, neither to express editor's personal point of view, neither, I hope, to make true Stalin's dreams. Wikipedia is trying to put on the web the content of libraries, the written books of the world. As it appears now, this sub-domain is just a playground for some persons willing to have fun and improving their Cyrillic style. --Vasile 00:52, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Hi Vasile, the terminology used is actually "moldoveneasca". Any book published in the language during the Soviet period uses this name, although that is obviously not objective because it was forced by law. Now, some books can be said to be in "Moldovan", but others in "Romanian".
- Ronline, see, this is exactly what I am talking about. "to make true Stalin's dreams".
- The majority of people here have come because they saw an Interwiki link to "moldoveana", and became outraged. Thus, it is not a reasonable crosssection of any population, as a democracy is meant to be (rule by the people), but rather a small subset of the Romanian population (fascism, which is defined as rule by a small and widely unrepresentative group of people).
- I think that, to filter properly, we need to restrict it to people who have, before this moment, made more than two or three edits to actual content pages (this would include myself, Ronline, Danutz, Vertaler, and a few others). In addition, it can possibly include people who have made a certain large number of edits on ro.wiki.
- Progressive rule is not effective if, through a vote, the current majority (extremist unionists, including the self-prclaimed Romanian Unionists Group or whatever they're called, who made a post about why this Wikipedia is bad) decides to delete the Wikipedia altogether -- there will be no place to vote in the future, when more Moldovans come!
- Danut objection that people who oppose this Wikipedia would not have made edits to content pages is sort of true. Yet, Danutz opposes this Wikipedia, and he has made a few edits to content pages. How is this?
- Also, that's sort of the intention. What little "Wikipedian community" we actually have here is NOT composed of everybody who throws in an opinion on talkpages. Most of these people are IP addresses only (Duca, Romanian unionist group, etc), although some are registered (Landroni, Dmitriid, Domnu Goie). The Wikipedian community is by definition composed of people who work to make these pages better. In many Wikipedias, only registered users are allowed to vote, and in many cases they need to have made a certain number of edits to content pages.
- However, this would unfortunately exclude real residents of Moldova such as Dmitriid.
- There is no perfect policy for voting. I think that the best policy is to state firmly that, for the moment, this Wikipedia has the right to exist. Its future should not be decided at this page, but rather between myself, Vertaler (should he choose to return), Dmitriid, all other Moldovans, and those who have, before this moment, expressed an opinion on ro:User:Ronline/Wikipedia moldoveneasca. On that page, you will find well-respected ro.wikipedians, and rather than all of them saying "IT should be deleted! They are the same language!", they have a variety of opinions representative of the general population in Romania, and seemingly to a certain extent representative of Moldovan popular opinion as well.
- But Jimbo himself has spoken out before against concentrating a certain version of Wikipedia with a group of people all of the same point of view, under any circumstances. Obviously we don't want to concentrate this page with stalinists, or moldovan nationalists, but we also shouldn't concentrate it with unionists or any other political group. Thus, as I expressed before the most viable option for any decision that needs to be made is to include people who meet one of the following criteria: 1) More than 3 edits in actual content pages of mo.wiki prior to June 21, 2) Resident or citizen of Moldova, 3) More than 500 edits to actual content pages of ro.wiki prior to June 21, 4) More than 1000 edits to content pages of any other wikipedia prior to June 21, 5) Expressed an opinion or otherwise edited Ronline's special sub-userpage on the topic prior to June 21.
- The numbers of 500 and 1000 are up for discussion. Please, what are your thoughts on this?
- --Node ue 03:55, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
-
- Firstly I want to assure people, especially Domnu Goie, that my proposal struck with Node will not go into effect until July 24, until that time everyone has the right to have a say, that's a consultation period. Now, onto the more major issue. Node, I'm sorry to say but your new criteria are very unfair. As Danutz rightly pointed out, people who did not edit here because they believed mo.wiki is illegitimate should also have a right to a say. Because of the special circumstances, I don't think there should be any voting, just concensus. Now, Node, more specifically, I think some of the criteria are very unfair:
- More than 3 edits in actual content pages of mo.wiki prior to June 21 - OK, fair enough.
- Resident or citizen of Moldova - Very unfair. Wikipedia is a transnational concept and mo.wiki is not the Republic of Moldova's Wikipedia.
- More than 500 edits to actual content pages of ro.wiki prior to June 21 - Well, up for negotation, but I don't really see what it's got to do with it. People should still have a say even if they're new.
- More than 1000 edits to content pages of any other wikipedia prior to June 21 - Same as above.
- Expressed an opinion or otherwise edited Ronline's special sub-userpage on the topic prior to June 21. - OK, that's fair enough, but again new users should be given a say.
-
- As to the subdomain issue, I have decided that it's not really worth pursuing a separate subdomain for cyr-wiki because it will take a long time and also because mo.wiki will finally be biscriptal (Node has agreed to that now and actually implemented it partially).
-
- Next steps: I will form a new subpage on my user account here at mo.wiki where we can talk about this. I will propose the model and then people can reach a concensus on it. The page will be at User:Ronline/Propunere. Ronline 06:32, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Ronline how can there ever be a concensus? What if 19 people want it deleated and only Node wants it to remain the way it is? I dont think there will ever be a concensus. I think to ask for a concensus is really inrealistic and is only doomed to failure. It should be an outright majority vote.
Secondly, Ronline cum adica "biscriptical"? Adica dupa ce ne'am batut atata ca macar sa facem ca versiunea cu litere latine sa mearga la ro.wiki, acum vrei ca sa fie o versiune moldoveneasca in latina? Sper ca am inteles eu gresit ptr. ca asta ar face mai mult rau decat bine.
Thirdly, the issue about language clarification is avoided here and that is really bad. The only way I will ever vote for this page to remain the way it is( and as far as I can see the criteria is pretty restrictive so every vote will prolly count), is if:
the main page will look like this
Dacă preferaţi Wikipedia Moldovenească (Română) în alfabetul latin, clic aici. |
Дакэ префераць Бикипедия Молдовеняскэ (Ромынэ) ын алфабетул кирилик, клик айчи. |
and 2)in the options for what language to choose, a change will be made from "Moldoveana" which is incorrectly stated anyways to "Moldoveneste/Romana(Cirilica)".
Domnu Goie
-
- Domnu Goie - what I meant by biscriptal was that the interface would be in Latin and Cyrillic. This would not mean that Latin content would be hosted on mo.wiki, but rather on ro.wiki. I accept your proposal about changing "Moldovan (Cyrillic)" to "Moldovan/Romanian (Cyrillic)". And, the main page will look like the one above, more or less (as in, there may be some other content, but everything will be biscriptal with Latin placed first, or on the left side). For what language to choose, it will say "Moldoveanscă (chirilica)" not Moldovenească/Română (chirilică), because the mo.wiki will be a Moldovan Wikipedia. There has in so far not been any demand for Romanian in Cyrillic, and there never should be since very very few Romanians write it in Cyrillic (in Romania, virtually none at all). I don't want people to think that Romanian is written in Cyrillic, if we write just Moldovan (Cyrillic), I think that's better for all of us. Remember, this is a sort of double-edged sword. Ronline 06:32, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
-
- Hi - two important links for everyone here - the proposal page at User:Ronline/Propunere' and my message to the Wikipedia mailing list at over here. Ronline 07:09, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Nu Ronline, nu e un "double edge sword". Ar arata lumii intregi ca:
1) Moldoveneasca=Romana 2) Moldoveneasca in cirilica nu este o alta limba diferita de cea romana.
Sa stii ca oricine ar putea sa zica ca vrea sa'si vada limba scrisa in cirilica. Ca doar nu exista in romania vre-un preot sau calugar care nu citeste romana in cirilica? Ma indoiesc.
Daca este nevoie eu o sa cer chiar eu romana in cirilica atunci.
PS: about the biscriptical thing, if the latin script is going to redirect people to the ro.wiki, and the cyrilic one will go to this moldovan/romanian wiki then where is Node's comprimise? There is nothing new in that. It's been like that for quite some time.
Domnu Goie
- So, your main problem is that you want it to be stated explicitly that Romanian and Moldovan are the same language? I certainly agree that this is true, however 33% of Moldovans disagree, so to insert such a notice is POV.
- How long have you been around here? A few days???????? Just about two weeks ago, the default main page was Паӂина принчипалэ, and anybody who came to mo.wikipedia.org would've seen http://mo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%9F%D0%B0%D3%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8D&oldid=2562 -- a mainpage entirely in Cyrillic, with a tiny notice that says "Dacă preferaţi să vizualizaţi Wikipedia Moldovenească în alfabetul latin, clic aici". I was under no pressure to change this, ie I did it in the spirit of compromise, to appease Ronline whom I had made mad (unlike you, though, he just said he was going to become entirely disinvolved, not that he was going to go to the ends of the earth to seek the deletion of this Wikipedia) because I felt bad about it. --Node ue 14:53, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Like Domnu Goie has pointed out on the other discussion page, just cause 33$ of the Moldovans say that they speak Moldovan doesn't mean that by that they automatically suggest that Moldovan is different from Romanian.
In any case what would you know about numbers, people and what they consider themselves if you are not even from there.
I SAY LETS ERASE THIS CHEAP PROPAGANDA PAGE!
Duca